#3040 RHOM S7E20: Kneeful Things

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #3040 Summary

Episode Title: RHOM S7E20: Kneeful Things
Date: October 17, 2025
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Ben and Ronnie dive into the third and final part of the Real Housewives of Miami (RHOM) Season 7 reunion. Their signature mix of snark, affection, and laser-sharp Housewives analysis is in full force as they dissect the cast's clashes, hypocrisy, heartfelt moments, and the cultural phenomena that is Miami Housewives. The discussion covers everything from Lisa’s ongoing struggles with grief and the cast’s sympathy fatigue, to the infamous “air conditioning” coke rumors, knee-related insults, cultural misunderstandings, and Bravo’s best and bounciest franchise. The hosts also explore each cast member’s growth (or lack thereof), call out manipulative behaviors, and celebrate the mess and magic that made this season shine.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Opener: Life Updates & Listener Engagement

• Ronnie is preparing to fangirl at a Shawn Mendes concert and battling a giant fly.
• Ben shares a potentially hazardous home-cooking anecdote involving a Turkish "cosmetic" grill pan discolouring his veggies, prompting listener advice and concern.
  • “Am I dying?” – Ben, reflecting on his culinary misadventure and looking for reassurance from the audience.
    (07:17)
• The hosts invite listeners to weigh in via Instagram and remind everyone of weekly bonus content and interaction on Patreon and YouTube.
• Quick acknowledgement of Miami’s critical acclaim but poor overnight ratings, with both asserting its status as an underrated Bravo gem.
  • “It’s shocking that people sleep on Miami. Like, it’s crazy." – Ben (10:00)

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2. Lisa's Grief and Sympathy Fatigue

• Reunion resumes with Larsa's controversial comment about Lisa not being by her dying father's side in Milan.
  • Lisa’s defense: “Nobody knows what I had going on with my father and my history because I haven’t talked about it. And my dad would have wanted me to do that.” (10:39)
  • Ben and Ronnie analyze how the group rolls their eyes at Lisa’s grief, comparing it to how Alexia’s loss was handled.
  • “I think actually, Lisa does have a point, which is like…when things like this happen to Alexia, she is justifiably given the space to mourn…but with Lisa, they're like, get over it.” – Ben (12:46)
• Ronnie jokes about Lisa’s “Botox face” limiting her expressiveness and how Miami cast never truly apologizes for insensitivity.

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3. Jody, “Air Conditioning,” and Coke Shenanigans

• The cast and the hosts dissect the reunion’s coke insinuations regarding Lisa’s boyfriend Jody ("furby eyes," “shots and AC in the bedroom”) and the farcical denials.
  • “People don’t talk about air conditioning in that way…to go for some AC really makes it seem like a distinct quantity of something.” – Ben (21:32)
  • Ronnie calls out Miami’s hypocrisy about cocaine jokes, noting Miami’s party culture and cast’s own past with drugs.
  • “Justice for cocaine users.” – Ronnie (22:01)
  • Highlights Jody’s response: “What if I was doing cocaine? We live in Miami. Everybody does cocaine. But it wasn’t cocaine. It was air conditioning.” – recounted by Ben (25:51)
• Discussion turns meta about what Housewives should admit or deny on camera, and the art of letting a scandal “die on the vine.”

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4. Missed Trips, Manipulation & Group Dynamics

• The drama surrounding who did/didn't show up in Marbella, Stephanie’s “freshman on a power trip” issues, and the group’s silent treatments.
  • “If Alexia had done it, I think Marisol had been like, this is a great plan. I mean, wasn’t it just, like, a few episodes prior that they literally split up into two yachts…?” – Ben (39:51)
  • The hosts discuss the Miami OGs’ (Alexia and Marisol) habit of passive-aggressively withdrawing instead of directly confronting issues.
  • “That is inherently a manipulation. If you are not participating in order to sort of elevate yourself…that is what you’ve done.” – Ben (41:59)

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5. Housewives Cultural Gaps & Language Gags

• Andy grills Lisa for her lack of Spanish despite 17 years in Miami; the hosts compare it to their own attempts with Duolingo and Spanish pop songs.
  • “I’ve made a lot of proclamations about who has apples. People don’t realize this, but it’s like salad un mansana.” – Ben (30:54)
  • Kiki volunteers to teach Lisa basic (and dirty) Spanish, showcasing the show's playful and irreverent humor around language (32:24).

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6. Age, Knee-Gate & Hypocrisy

• The “Cakegate” segment: Kiki’s math joke about Adriana’s birthday morphs into a spat about age-shaming and knee-related insults.
  • “You’re a stem cell in a wig. You look amazing. What are you talking about?” – Ronnie (48:35)
• Adriana’s hypocrisy is laid bare—she’s offended by “old” jokes but makes wrinkly knee cracks about Marisol.
  • “Adriana’s excuse is so funny. She’s like, ‘yeah, well, it was…hurtful because it was supposed to be hurtful.’ That was the intention.” – Ronnie (51:10)
• Extended riffing on Marisol’s knees (“paper mache balloon,” “dried up river bed”), culminating in product placement for an anti-wrinkle knee procedure (Renuvion).
  • “Can we get a close up of that conical sharpay dog…Oh, that’s her knees. Never mind.” – Ben (51:45)
  • Marisol admits her self-consciousness has been amplified by the show and plugs Renuvion (52:24).

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7. Gertie’s Cancer Journey & Julia’s Adoption Story

• Gertie opens up emotionally about post-cancer life, therapy, and family trauma, culminating in gratitude and a plug for her memoir.
  • “I decided not to get that reconstructive surgery. Enough was enough…it’s about being thankful for what you have.” (59:00)
  • Therapy reveals connection between childhood abandonment and her friendship rupture with Julia.
• Julia addresses teen daughters’ mixed feelings about her adopting boys, with the hosts poking fun at the “replacement” dynamic.
  • “You’re meaning to tell me that a tech bro, essentially a tech bro entrepreneur in Miami, like his reputation is going to be ruined because he was accused of doing coke in the bedroom.” – Ben, satirizing Jody’s defense (29:33)

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8. Marisol & Alexia: Manipulation, Twins, and Toxicity

• Stephanie calls Marisol out for sending her negative press coverage, which is reframed as “helpful.”
  • “Sending shitty headlines to Stephanie is so hilariously nasty. And then she acts like, no, I’m just trying to help. What an underminer. Talk about toxicity.” – Ben (69:42)
• Larsa offers rare insight into why Marisol turned on Stephanie—she felt betrayed that Stephanie didn’t join the “cool” circle.
  • “I love that Larsa is basically saying Marisol wanted you as her friend, and when you were friends with everybody, she decided to turn against you.” – Ronnie (70:50)
• Andy tries a cringey “twin test” game with Marisol and Alexia, to the cast’s collective eye-roll.

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9. Wretched vs. Ratchet: Microaggressions & Accountability

• Adriana’s “ratchet” comment toward Kiki gets dissected for racial undertones and denial vs. accountability.
  • “She clearly says ratchet…She knows the word wretched. She says the word wretched multiple times. She said ratchet at that moment.” – Ben (72:48)
  • Kiki: “You never say ratchet to her. You never say it to Julia. So why would you say it to me?” (74:14)
  • Adriana skirts responsibility, saying she meant to be “hurtful” but not in a bigoted way—hosts wish she’d just own it.

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10. Final Reflections and Showdown

• Cast members share final thoughts on growth, sisterhood, “trauma to trophies,” and what they hope to take forward.
  • “Lisa: I’ve grown tremendously as a mother, as a person, as a friend. I’m taking accountability. I’ve been on time a few times. I mean, come on. I’m basically a good person now.” (78:13)
  • Gertie plugs her book; Ben and Ronnie poke fun at Adriana’s Harvard-brag bullet points on bathroom mirrors.
• The hosts proclaim Miami as Bravo’s current superlative city, and part ways until next week.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Lisa’s grief and group apathy:
  “I want to talk about how her dad had—she had no relationship with her dad, and now suddenly they have to hold space for her…” – Ben (13:33)

• On Miami’s coke culture hypocrisy:
  “You’re always all wiping your nose and got runny noses. I’m looking at you, Marisol and Larissa. So everybody acting…like you’re some stranger to cocaine…as Miami denizens is hilarious.” – Ronnie (22:01)

• On passive-aggressive power plays:
  “Freshman telling a senior how to act.” – Ben, on Stephanie’s travel arrangements and the OGs’ response. (40:55)

• On Marisol’s knees:
  “Can we get a close up of that dried up river bed that sometimes fills up with flash floods? Oh, it’s Marisol’s knees.” – Ben (51:57)

• On microaggressions:
  “But whether it was ratchet or wretched…you never say ratchet to her…so why would you say it to me? Why only me?” – Kiki (74:14)

• On the season as a whole:
  “I’m already excited for next season. Great work to everyone involved. Everyone on the screen, the people off the screen, I salute you. You did an amazing job.” – Ben (81:24)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 06:28–08:05: Ben’s “cosmetic” pan poisoning panic and listener outreach
• 10:39–14:37: Lisa’s grief, Larsa’s comments, emotional double standards
• 19:32–26:20: Jody/cocaine “air conditioning” saga and cast hypocrisy
• 29:33: Tech bro/risk of coke rumors satirized
• 37:25–43:10: Marbella plane drama, manipulation, silent treatment critiques
• 51:03–53:27: Knee-gate, aging jokes, and Marisol’s Renuvion plug
• 59:00–62:32: Gertie’s health journey, therapy, Julia’s adoption and family tension
• 69:08: Stephanie confronts Marisol about sending negative press
• 72:48–77:23: Adriana, “wretched vs. ratchet,” and Kiki’s call-out
• 78:13–81:41: Closing reflections, plugs, and show sendoff

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Summary Tone & Style

Ben and Ronnie maintain their trademark mix of irreverent, affectionate snark, using sharp observations, running jokes (especially about knees and cocaine), and genuine appreciation for the cast’s dynamics. They consistently balance gags with moments of authentic empathy and cultural critique, making the summary both vivid for superfans and accessible for casual listeners.

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Bottom Line:
RHOM Season 7 was pure Bravo mayhem—filled with botoxed tears, coke rumors, transcultural miscommunications, and power plays—and Ben and Ronnie delivered a recap that was both scathing and celebratory, cementing Miami as their pick for Bravo's reigning champ.

Transcript

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Watch what crappins. Who cares what happens when there's so much who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Hello and welcome to Watch what crap ins a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker. Joining me today is the glorious and handsome Ronnie Caram. Hi, Ronnie.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, hello, Ben.

[Ben Mandelker]

How are you?

[Ronnie Caram]

How wonderful to see you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wonderful to see you, too. How are you doing on this fine Friday? I'm good.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm excited. My niece is coming in town with my sister and they're taking me to see Shawn Mendes tonight. So I'm like fang and, you know, wondering how much of a creep I'm going to look like at this concert.

[Ben Mandelker]

You won't look like a creep at all. Like Katarani, just like looking at Shawn Mendez and drooling. I mean, he is really hot. He is a hot, hot, hot young man.

[Ronnie Caram]

He's a handsome young man. I don't really know anything about him, but I'm very excited to go. Okay, you know what? I'm going to be with my niece, screaming little teenager. It's going to be fun times. The girls are coming in town, so I'm doing that. And I, um. So I was vacuuming a lot. There's a giant fly in my, in my office right now that's as big as a flying dog. And so I'm waiting for it to land near me so I can get it. That's my life. That's what I'm doing. What's up with you?

[Ben Mandelker]

You need a Brooks Marks tennis racket thing. I am, you know, in the throes of wondering whether or not I've poisoned myself, you know, which is a fairly standard state of mind for me. I. Okay, everyone, I'm bringing this to the podcast only because I couldn't find answers on the Internet, so I'm now appealing to the masses. This is a very spec like, did I poison myself? Edge case. But I would love to hear what people have to say about this. One of our listeners, Jennifer, she, I was roasting some vegetables last week and one of Our listeners. Jennifer was like, hey, in Turkey, we have these things called cosmetics that are these kind of, you know, what a cosmetic is?

[Ronnie Caram]

No. You. You talked about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah, I talked about it. Right?

[Ronnie Caram]

It's like a cage stuff in. Yeah, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like a grill pan that you put on, like, you put on your burner on, like, a gas burner, and it can hold more vegetables and you can roast them. You know, if you're roasting peppers or like an eggplant for baba ganoush, you can blacken the skin very nicely. So I bought one from Milk street, and I was very excited, and I. I decided to use it last night. And my range has, like, four burners, but in the center, there's like, a center burner. That's crazy. It's a crazy burner. It's like a double ringed burner. So there's actually two things to turn on. And that's like. I think it's good for, like, woks. Like, I never use it unless I'm putting that wok down and going, like, crazy high or if I'm charring vegetables. So I put my cosmetic on the crazy double ring burner, and I put my peppers on there. And let me tell you something, this cosmetic was crazy. And, like, they started to blacken like that. I was like, this is a miracle pan. I've never seen anything like this. This is so much faster already. And it was great. And it's a black. It's like a black steel pan. And it's enameled, though. And, like, I noticed within, like, four minutes that some parts of it start to start to glow red, like a red and orange. And I was like, oh, oh, that. I was like, is that just part of the cosmetic experience? And then I started to think, oh, maybe it's about to melt. It's like molten metal. And I have the things I'm about to eat, like, directly touching it. So then I got scared, and then I lowered the temperature, but I still kept doing it. But I was, like, committed to it. I was like, I'm not pulling. I'm not pulling the peppers.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I got this pan. I got this new pan from Milk.

[Ben Mandelker]

I got the pan. I'm seeing this all the way through. So then when I. When I eventually removed the peppers, I noticed that in the black charring areas, there were some areas that looked almost like blue, like a chemically blue. And I was like, did I just, like, did, like, the enamel melt onto the chill onto the peppers? Was this a chemical reaction? Is this like, normal. I messaged Jennifer as she is now my queen of cosmetics. And she said, actually that happens all the time when I just char, like, peppers on a grill. Like, it'd be black, but sometimes you even see, like, this kind of bluish thing. But I'm still like, very concerned that I. I did something chemically to my peppers. And I want to know from the masses, will I be okay?

[Ronnie Caram]

Are you dying?

[Ben Mandelker]

Am I dying?

[Ronnie Caram]

Know by the end of this episode if you're, like, bleeding from the eyes or something. You never know. I mean, it could be a good Halloween episode. We lose Ben during a Miami recap. Watch him.

[Ben Mandelker]

I did cool down the cosmetic, and it looks kind of weird now. I think it clearly, like, is not meant for that high of a flame, which I feel like, what sort of grill panel are you that you can't deal with, like, any type of flame.

[Ronnie Caram]

But I think if you don't smell something bad, then you're okay. And I know people are going to be smelled.

[Ben Mandelker]

Nothing.

[Ronnie Caram]

Carbon monoxide, but whatever. You can kind of smell carbon monoxide. Make an effort.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So the pan looks kind of, like, weird now. It doesn't have that nice, clean, like, black, sleek, enameled look anymore. But I'll post pictures. I would love to get. I'd love to get the advice of maybe, am I dying or a smelter?

[Ronnie Caram]

Thank you. Come to our Instagram and tell Ben whether or not he's dying. Okay, everybody. Well, if you want these recaps on videos, we are on Crappins on Demand if you want our bonus episodes. This week was a Southern Charm trailer. Super fun. That's also on Patreon and Mondays, we do Amazon lives at 4pm Pacific Time. And every other Monday that we're not doing that, we do Crappy Hour. So this coming Monday will be Crappy Hour. And that's going to be at 5:30pm Pacific Time. You can find that for free on YouTube, Instagram and our Patreon Free all places. So join us for that. That's where we talk about Bravo headlines. And you guys come talk to us about whatever you want to talk about, ask your questions and all that good stuff. And today is the end. It's a very sad day because it's the end of Miami Season 7, and it's been a great season. It's been a hilarious season. It's a season that is absolutely tanking in the ratings, which sucks. They're getting series low in their ratings.

[Ben Mandelker]

But that might just be overnights. That might just be.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's what I read ratings Bravo. Com or at ratings Bravo. On Twitter. On Twitter.

[Ben Mandelker]

Overnights mean nothing. Overnights mean nothing. It's all about, like the live plus sevens. It's also like engagement. They don't care about overnights. Like, let's praise. Let's. Let's be in a. In a space of praise for Miami for a wonderful, wonderful season. Let's. Let's remind people that this is the best. I am shocked, though. I am shocked by this. The number of people who, when I say, are you watching Miami? They'll say, oh, I haven't started that one. I really mean to. Or like, I'm a few episodes behind, which usually means you've watch one episode this season. When people say I'm a few episodes behind, that means they haven't watched anything. Or like one. I know that because that's what I say when people ask me about things like, you know, like the bear. Any other TV show. The bear. It is with the bear. Honestly, it is what I do. I'm like, I'm a few episodes behind. I watched season one.

[Ronnie Caram]

Different season two. Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but life for real, I mean, it's shocking. It's shocking that people sleep on Miami. Like, it's crazy.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, it's the.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's one of the. It's the best. It's the best.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's the best one to sleep on because it's the bounciest. They've got the most fillers out of any. All right, so here we are. 7. Season 7 Episode 20 Reunion Part 3 We pick up where we left off last week. Larza has just. We've seen a clip of Larza making a comment about Lisa in Milan because she's like, oh, my God, like, if your dad's, like, sick, like, like, why even, like in my. We're even, like, in Milan. Like, why aren't you, like, by your dad's side?

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, well, Jita from Provolone Cheese says larsa was harsh by saying, you should have been in Milan with your sick father. Remember that? Well, you know what? Let me tell you something. I'm gonna get emotional. I get so emotional, baby. Okay, give me a tissue. Give me a tissue. Okay. Nobody knows what I had going on with my father and my history because I haven't talked about it. And my dad would have wanted me to do that. He said. He would have said, lisa, fly to Milan and walk in a shitty fashion brand show. Okay? And that's what he would have done. That's what he would have liked for me.

[Ronnie Caram]

My dad loved Zara, so she's crying because everybody's piling on on her, and nobody even asked her how she was doing with her father. And Kiki's like, I did.

[Ben Mandelker]

I did.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Mary Soul's like, well, I'm sure I ain't done.

[Ben Mandelker]

Not a full fledged cast member. Not a full fledged cast member. Friend of. Is fine. Let me finish. Alexia, when your mother died, not only did I have empathy for you, but I wore a bright green dress for no good reason. And then after that, I had a whole party for you at my house that you weren't able to make. Because remember when they had, like, apparently, Lisa did have a nice celebration. Celebration of life for Alexia's mom at her house. But remember before then everyone showed up in, like, black at, like, some memorial thing, and Lisa showed up in bright green. Everyone's like, lisa, why did you dress in bright green?

[Ronnie Caram]

Lisa shows up in, like, a bikini and. And heels, you know? And we see a clip of this party where Marel's like, everyone needs to take a big sing for Nancy. These are her favorite sayings. So they all take selfies with Sigs or something. And then Lisa's like, yeah, I even made everyone wear your mom's red lipst. Mean. No one's been that creepy since Louie on Real Housewives of New Jersey. I did that for you. I did it for you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, so we're comparing grief. Okay, okay. All right, all right.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well.

[Ben Mandelker]

What?

[Ronnie Caram]

No, you're not comparing grief. You're comparing the reaction to someone's parent dying, you selfish ass.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I think. I think actually, Lisa does have a point, which is like. Like Alexia, when things like this happen to Alexia, she is justifiably given the space to mourn it and. And go back to it and use it to explain all her emotional reactions to things throughout the entire season. But with Lisa, they're like, get over it. But I also think the reason why they say that to Lisa is because Lisa has been kind of playing again, whether justifiably or not. She's been playing the divorce card for, like, a few years now. And I just think that people don't want to let her have cards anymore because she's.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's been able see what you do with the cards. You're no longer playing cards.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, at the casino, they're like, you've been counting the cards. You're out annoying.

[Ronnie Caram]

So your dead dad is gonna get in the back seat. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

It kind of. I think that's kind of. Is that because They've had to, like, over index on sympathy for the divorce. And so now they just don't have capacity to, like, feel bad for her when she never even talked about her dad. I want to talk about how her dad had. She had no relationship with her dad, and now suddenly they have to, like, make hold space for her now in a way. Like, when it's like, where did this come from? I'm not saying that they're right. In fact, I think that, like, they may even be wrong, but, like, I think that's why they're just kind of like, okay, too much Lisa.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I think she's saying, listen, you know, you guys complain about me crying too much, so I don't even cry. And then now. But now you're gonna make shitty comments about my dead dad. And like, me and my dead dad, like, what the Larsa and Lars is like, yeah, but like, but we weren't in a really good place. Like. And like, I think that, like, I feel like you were like, just like, trying to make me feel bad for saying that. Yeah, you should feel bad for saying that. What the is wrong with you? What's wrong? You see what you did there? I wanted to make you feel bad. You're piling on me. You're piling.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but, like, let's be honest. We all thought that when Larsa said that to Lisa, she's like, what are you doing here? Why'd you go back? Because, you know, she had a real voice. She's like, well, why don't you go back?

[Ronnie Caram]

Why are you with your dad right now?

[Ben Mandelker]

We all were kind of like, yeah, like, why are you, like, all. Would you fly all the way to Italy when you're. If your dad is like, on his deathbed? You know, it feels weird to be. To use the my dad's on a deathbed card while you're on vacation? You know, I mean, people process things in different ways. You know, people. She may be having an avoidant moment. I get that. But, like, I think a lot of us were thinking what Larson said.

[Ronnie Caram]

Major problems with her dad. Wasn't she kicked out when she was really young and stuff like that? I think that's her backstory. Yes. So I don't think you have to go sit there for mean people. Like people who were mean to you and then later apologize personally.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right. But it's that she was saying, like, how could you say this to me, Larson? My dad is on, like, I'm dealing with a lot. My dad is on a deathbed. So she's like, well, then why are.

[Ronnie Caram]

You like, well, you could still be dealing with someone. You could still be sad about someone's death while you're on a Runway show in Milan. What the hell? Like, why. Why do I have to choose a set to be sat on?

[Ben Mandelker]

That's a passion cries for no one.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm allowed to cry in Milan. I'll cry wherever I want to. This is an Internet. Ever since we have the Internet, we're in an international community now. This is a global community. I can cry with him on FaceTime. Off. I'm putting on this outfit, and I'm walking for my Instagram photos.

[Ben Mandelker]

Have you met Kelly Catrone? And you're gonna say you're gonna cry during a fashion week? No, thank you, sir. That's not gonna work. It's not gonna fly.

[Ronnie Caram]

But, like, I wrote you, like, a message, like. And I, like, asked you how you were doing. Like. And she's like, this is about, like, that. Let me talk. Let me talk off. You know, because, like, you've been talking, like, how much dead dad do we have to take today? This is like, nuts. Andy, if. If dead dads were, like, tequila shots, we'd be on the floor, okay? Because, like, that's all we've been swallowing. Like, give me a break.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, Alexia saying enough is enough is wild.

[Ronnie Caram]

When Alexia stubs her toe, and it's a telenovela for three years in a row.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. It's just, like, a lot. I stuffed my toe right in front of Frankie, and he had to see it. It was just, like, so embarrassing. And I was just like, what happened this way? It's like, I think I try so hard, and I always stuff my toe like, oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Ronnie Caram]

Enough is enough. We're allowed to grieve. We're allowed to grieve. You got the grief for. You know. Guess what? I was only allowed to grieve for a year during a divorce. And guess what? I'm still grieving. It's still going on, but you don't want me to talk about it, so I don't talk about it. Letty lady. And you know what? I keep it to myself. And people. People don't know what I'm doing because nobody asks me questions anymore. And I just love Lisa because she's so Botox that even when she's, like, legit upset, her face looks so crazy. It looks like she's to squeeze out a twig. Like, there's. I don't know what's happening, but she's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, yeah, she does this thing with her eyelids. It becomes like a. Like a cartoon fish. And she's like.

[Ronnie Caram]

Botox wasn't made for crying. I think Botox makes you look so nice in multiple ways, like when you're laughing too hard or stuff like that. But crying, no, no, it's just not good.

[Ben Mandelker]

Now, let me. Please don't. I don't want anyone to get. Get confused by what I'm saying. I fully believe that Lisa has a right and to mourn her dad. And, like, she should be allowed to mourn her dad without, like, eyes being rolled on the show. I just think that she's. It's just also so funny when she's like, I was only allowed to mourn my divorce for a year. That's all I was allowed to. I was like, lady, you have been mourning your divorce on this show for, like, three or four years now. Okay? Like, the way she acts like she's been pent up in a little box. I'm like, every time you open your mouth, it's about your divorce, your divorce, or. And now it's your dad. But, like, it's still gonna go back to your divorce.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I mean, I just think she's fighting with people who are really insensitive monsters, and she's not gonna win by crying. Like, they don't even care that you're crying. You know, she's sitting there like, my dad died. Alexi is like, oh, yeah, you know what? But same, though. Same though. I feel the same. Yeah, I feel the same. And that's the point I'm trying to make is like, you crying, like, I feel like crying right now. What about that? Okay, okay. Alexia, you know, Jesus, why can't you just say, okay, sorry, we didn't mean to be insensitive.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's. That's a strange concept. So easy on this show. Sorry, I didn't mean to be insensitive.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I want to know what happened in the elevator in Sevilla, because cameras were not there and they've all been fired, by the way. Okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

They're all dead.

[Ronnie Caram]

So then we see a flashback of Larsa telling Julia in the elevator that Jody started texting her. And Julia is like, well, you're in the elevator later and you talk to Lisa and you tell her about things that provoke her. And that's probably why she called Jody. And so they're talking about that. And Andy's like, well, what happened? And Julie is like, lars, that. To be honest, you snap and you said something to Lisa again because you're feeling it. And Lisa replied, thank God. The door opened and we walked out, and Jody started texting her again and again, and he wouldn't stop.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Jody is in the dressing room just watching, and he's reacting in some way, but it's very like Mona Lisa. I think we have to kind of project what sort of emotion it is because his face is fully frozen with Botox and he still is in the throes of lockjaw. So he's like.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, he's kind of shaking, but he. It looks like he's just sitting on a car dash going over bumps.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's just kind of like, yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So wholeheartedly.

[Ben Mandelker]

There's a big severity of this issue that she wants to skip over and only talk about how Jody's texting her. The insinuation of what Jody was doing on or what Jody was doing or on is the issue at hand. And then we see a flashback to everyone looking at Jody's picture with his eyes. And it's like, oh, happy guy's eyes. Elise is like, when I saw that footage, I was disgusted. Going in on Jody was so unwarranted. And then you chimed in, and you chimed in and you chimed in, but about what? When you said, how big were his eyes? How could you even say that?

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, in my culture, in my Russian culture, that's what we say if somebody is as big. If somebody is angry, we say, how big is their eyes? Oh, really?

[Ben Mandelker]

Very popular Russian proverb is how much cocaine in nose.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm talking. And Julie's like, how big are your eyes? This is what we say. It's like, excuse me. You insinuated that he was on something. And Lars is like, yeah, but, like, they'd, like, thought that, like. Because, like, you were talking about, like, you see, in your apartment. That had nothing to do with me. Like, like that. That didn't have anything to do with that. I don't have anything to do with air conditioning. And so we see the clips of Jody being like, want to come back to my bedroom? I've got ac. Yeah, we're going to do shots in AC in my bedroom. Like, oh, yeah, where's your bedroom? Get that AC up my nose. He's like, yeah, I wanted to rail some ac. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was just air conditioning. No, it's. I'm sorry. Just reading the dialogue back. No one ever talks about air conditioning in that way. We're going for a shot and some ac. People don't, like, go for some ac. Like, it's just such a strange way like to say it, to go for some A.C. really sort of makes it seem like a distinct quantity of something. And people don't talk about air conditioning in that way. I'm sorry, it just doesn't. It just. It doesn't make any sense.

[Ronnie Caram]

Here's my thing. People have a right to do coke in their bedroom if they want to. That's his birthday party. I mean, they're saying that it was so hot in the apartment and the AC was in a smaller room, so they could. They could cool down or whatever. So whatever. But I think they're allowed to go do coke at his party if they want to. And it's so hypocritical for everybody on this cast to be like, oh, my God, cocaine. Larsa, you were with a cokehead. We just saw your boyfriend get arrested, your fiance or whatever get arrested doing a mountain of coke during breakfast on a yacht. So let's not act like you're some stranger to cocaine. You're always all wiping your nose and got runny noses. I'm looking at you, Marisol and Larissa. So everybody acting. And you've got cocaine Cowgirl over there, Alexia. You guys being judgmental about cocaine as Miami denizens is hilarious. And also, Jody's face always looks like a crazy cokehead's face. It's just how he was drawn. Yeah, justice for cocaine users. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Ready to let go of the guilt. Find the right [e-mail] crappins. That's hillspet.com crappins. I don't think they are ups. They're like in a tizzy about the cocaine. I think that what they don't like is Lisa trying to gaslight them and saying, oh no, it wasn't cocaine at all. It was, it was truly air conditioned. Because they all know what it was, we all know what it was. And Lisa be like, it was air conditioning and she's gone above and beyond.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, it's an illegal substance. What is she supposed to come on and be like, yeah, my, my boyfriend's a raging cokehead and he was doing coke all night.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I think you just, you just let it die on the vine. You let the audience be like, the audience like, like sort of laughs and gives each other knowing winks and jokes and then you just sort of move on and like whatever. Everyone knows exactly what it is and etc.

[Ronnie Caram]

But Lisa, I like Jody's answer because after all that happened, Jody came on Instagram or something and was like we look, what if I was doing cocaine? We live in Miami. Everybody does cocaine. But it wasn't cocaine. It was air conditioning.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's a good answer actually because it's sort of taking, it's like gives like a little like, you know, sort of takes the teeth out of the accusation. But I think it's that like Lisa is so adamantly defending this air conditioning situation that they just don't want to deal with. That. That.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Gertie's a good friend, too, because she's like, yeah, they needed the air conditioning because they were cooking steak at the house and it was very, very hot. So.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what? You need to say sorry, Larsa, because you fucked up. You know, I'm sorry for not unfollowing Marcus. My bad. I should have done that. I wish I did, but you have a lot of things that you should be saying sorry for. All right, well, what do you want to apologize for? Well, where should we begin? I don't know. That's on you, because you're the one who said she has a lot to apologize for.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know what?

[Ben Mandelker]

Expecting to get this far in the. In the conversation.

[Ronnie Caram]

I know all she had to say was what I just said, accusing my husband of. Or my boyfriend of doing cocaine, but she just gets lost. She's like, wait, I gotta name things. All right, hold on. Let me think of things.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is the part where Alexei interrupts me and I don't get to talk for the next 45 minutes.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, I have something to say. Me, too. Me, too. Yeah, that's how I felt, too.

[Ben Mandelker]

I feel that way, too. And I kind of feel it in a bigger and brighter way because I'm like a star.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know what it is? It hurt me and Jody's relationship. We've had nights where I don't want to give you that much power, but we have nights where we almost broke up over it. Thank God we had cocaine to make it fun again.

[Ben Mandelker]

Honestly, could you imagine if that happened? Imagine Jody talking to his bros, like, a year later, sitting at the bar, sad, no tears in his beer, and like, hey, man, what's going on? The one that I love, she got away. What happened? Larsa Pippin. Oh, man. Sorry about that.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Larsa Pippen accused my air conditioning of being on cocaine, bro. We had to break up. It was because of his reputation. That's why. That's why it was his reputation? Yeah, because his reputation was on the line, you know, because of the problems. Wait, let me ask you a question. If you could apologize to Jody backstage, would you do it? But. Yeah, but, like. Yeah, but, like. Like, look, I don't want to make, like, my friend upset anymore because, like, I feel like this is, like, gone on. I feel like. Like, for far. Like, too long. Like, I'm not gonna apologize to Jody. Like, I'm not gonna not apologize to Jody to make my friend happy, but so, like, I'M not gonna. Not gonna apologize. Not gonna. Does that mean I'm gonna apologize or that I'm not gonna apologize? Me too. Me too. That's how I feel too.

[Ben Mandelker]

I like this, bro. I like this. This is good. Let's get some cockies. I was just looking up Jody's job because I forgot what he actually does. I guess he's a. A tech entrepreneur. Looks like he has a job called Postalize, which I don't know what that is. Is that like a way to like revolutionary, like revolutionize, innovate, like post its or something like that. But it's. I'm looking at his LinkedIn posting lives.

[Ronnie Caram]

Is kind of like housewives, bread and butter. So he fits right in.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I just like that he's. He's basically a tech bro. It's an all.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh yeah, they have their app, Easy divorce fun. Making divorce fun again.

[Ben Mandelker]

Introducing the world's first proactive relationship management. I guess it's something with AI, With. With. With law. Law firms, whatever. You're meaning to tell me that a tech bro, essentially a tech bro entrepreneur in Miami, like his reputation is going to be ruined because he was accused of doing coke in the bedroom.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

What a tech bro. Never a tech bro in Miami. His reputation.

[Ronnie Caram]

His reputation. Nobody thinks Chuck rose to go. So now we talk about vacations and how Lisa missed the plane and had to take a bus, a train, a taxi, a subway, a hike, a bicycle, Every. Every plane, train and automobile possible to get to Sevilla. And how she was talking about like it's so difficult as an immigrant. No one understands what it's like when you don't know the language. And so Andy's like, babe, how long have you lived in Miami? And she's like, ah, 16 years, almost 17. He's like, and you don't know a lick of Spanish? She goes, ye. I do. Like, hold on. Hola.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Bonito on Miami. I think. Lisa, Lisa, that's crazy. I mean, look, I get it. I mean I've been in. I've been. Well, I don't know. I mean I've been in Los Angeles for like 24 years and you know, I. I haven't picked up that much Spanish, but I've tried and like I. Every now and then I hop on like duolingo and. And I start doing like Spanish lessons, etc. Like, at least I attempt, but I.

[Ronnie Caram]

Don'T think.

[Ben Mandelker]

I've made a lot of proclamations about who has apples. People don't realize this, but it's like salad un mansana. Salad Everything is about Manzana.

[Ronnie Caram]

Every time. Tell me you haven't gotten past chapter A. Minus.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have, like, every.

[Ronnie Caram]

They really need to change up duolingo, though. You're right, because everything is like, the man is wearing a blue shirt and Sally has an apple. Like, I don't give a. About Sally's apple. Tell Sally to get a ding dong. Apples are no way to live.

[Ben Mandelker]

And the way they say it to you, as if they. They say it like they're like they're divulging a secret. Like, Sally has three apples, and you're like, okay, Like. Like she likes yellow. I'm like, oh, okay. He doesn't like yellow. I'm like, oh, okay, fine. All right, relax. I'm fine.

[Ronnie Caram]

Starting conflict.

[Ben Mandelker]

And now there's, like, gossiping about, like, these children.

[Ronnie Caram]

Starting conflict between Sally with an apple and the guy in a blue shirt.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I definitely think I can, like, I can sort of, like. I can't read Spanish necessarily, but I can sort of, like, futz my way through reading it. But in terms of me even just now sitting here being like, oh, let me create. I can't. I honestly can't sit here and say. Create a Spanish sentence for you. Like, he, like, the boy likes apples. I. I could read it and I could translate it, but I couldn't say it. I'm, like, confessing all my Spanish.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, well, that's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sorry, I can't articulate it.

[Ronnie Caram]

You're forgiven. All right, any volunteers to teach Lisa some Spanish? And Kiki's like, I volunteer. Okay, I know how to say this.

[Ben Mandelker]

This.

[Ronnie Caram]

Dildo, dildo, dildo, dildo, dildo, dildo. That's a Spanish.

[Ben Mandelker]

No pongo tupinga on me cha. And he's like, okay, does that mean don't put your dick in my. I love Andy grilling Lisa about not picking up a lick of Spanish. When Andy has, like, clearly spent last night memorizing his, like, opening lines. He's like, hola, me amigos sua Esther, ladies.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, but it's funny because people only know Spanish based on what they need it for, right? So, like, a lot of people will know it, like, to boss people around, like, if you work in, you know, kitchens and stuff like that, where a lot of Spanish is spoken, you know how to be like, por favor, necesita mas platos, and, you know, la mesa veinte or whatever, so you know how to say things that you need to only to get by. And I love that Andy clearly doesn't know Spanish, but he knows all the dirty Shit. He's like, oh, wait, you want to put your dick in my butt? My butt crack. Wait a second. You want to swallow my load? Sounds great, Daddy.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have a nice.

[Ronnie Caram]

Knows how to say ola, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, oh, I can say, I. I have a nice little reserve of Spanish from, like, 90s pop songs. Like that one song that was like, no, I got no tango dinero, so can you help me out?

[Ronnie Caram]

You're, like, using Macarena in any sentence that you. You're like, don't sell on Macarenas.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm so white. Everyone's like, oh, my God, this guy again.

[Ronnie Caram]

So then we get to Kiki eating wacky things on trips. This year, she nearly gagged on an oyster. Wasn't that hilarious? And she's like, well, I feel like if I wasn't going through celibacy, I would have been so used to it going down my throat. But at that moment, my throat was so dry. Andy and Julia's like, oh, but oysters are so wonderful. It's my favorite thing. We know. Julia, I need you to teach you a puppet, so I give you small water package.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. All right, well, that was not that interesting.

[Ronnie Caram]

So, okay, whoever put an oyster segment in here. Okay. Glad these are three episodes long still.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, well, the strips were not all champagne and Jazzercise. Stephanie, Julia fanned the flames between Alexia and you in Spain. Remember that when Julia did that? Let's look at a cliff. And we're back. So. Boy, that did not land, Julia. Oh, I know, I know. It is not land. No, I'm talking about Alexia and Marisol. Make it on the plane landing in. In Marbella. Did not land. They never made it. Huh? That was a joke.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Stephanie's like, well, it's because I was getting to know you. And we had a great time at dinner with Martina, talking about how our family members won't speak to both of us. Like, my sisters hate me. Your daughters hate you. I mean, that was great. Wait, I'm sorry. Who.

[Ben Mandelker]

Who was I.

[Ronnie Caram]

Who was I at dinner with? Oh, yeah, and your daughters hate you. You know, and that trip was not going to happen unless I did it. And for you to have just made it worse for Alexi and I by talking behind, you know, by tattletailing. I mean, that really was just. And she's like, you're absolutely right. I'm going to give it to you 100%. My comment was silly. You know, sometimes they say, like, in Russia, brain fart. This is what we do in My country, You know, when we tattletail on our friends in country with white eyes, wide eyes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it was a real brain fart. It was you currying favor with the ladies you've been trying to get in with, who, by the way, are gon drop you like a bad habit the moment that it's convenient for them. So Lisa's like, can I ask you a question? Where was this energy from these two when they didn't come to Marbella? Okay, because remember, remember, everyone was mad at me for being late. They didn't even go to Marbella. So which I think is a fair point. I think we've been wondering why Julia was so chill with them being like, just not even going to the most important part of the vacation, but, like, getting so mad at Lisa for being late. And Julia's like, oh, because speed trip. And Sevilla was for Alexia, but Marbella was for me. Don't you understand? Logic makes no sense.

[Ronnie Caram]

Right, but that makes sense to me. Right, so it was important for you in your two new besties weren't there for you. It's like, you know what? I wanted to concentrate on myself for once. Meet Julia, who never concentrates on herself. Me, Julia, who just had an opera party slash foster care party.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I could think is biggest from Julia. Well, some of the biggest. I mean, everything's these days from her. But like, you got.

[Ronnie Caram]

She.

[Ben Mandelker]

If I remember correctly, she really got so mad at Lisa for being late because she was saying she doesn't understand.

[Ronnie Caram]

How important this trip is for me. You couldn't get on a plane in time for me.

[Ben Mandelker]

You couldn't do this for me. Like, everything. And this was just about like, oh, no. Lisa missed an afternoon of drinking cocktails at the Ramada lobby bar. But now, like, when it's actually fully going to Marbella, she's like, oh, it's okay. I wasn't focused on anyone else. I was just focused me on the two gays in Marbella. Like, this is bullshit.

[Ronnie Caram]

Just the. Just the idea that Julia, you know, never concentrates on herself is hilarious. So Marisol's like, well, I don't know why you're calling me your bestie. We're just getting to know each other. But I wanted. Oh, thanks a lot. But I wanted to ask my friends to be godfather. And that was my point. I would want my friends to be there with me. Absolutely, I would want. But they were not, so what can you do? And Lisa's like, ah, but you got a lot of energy for me. I saw the footage.

[Ben Mandelker]

I Personally think. Actually, a bigger question is where, like, you. You nailed Gertie to her cross for not getting onto a zoom in time, and yet these two ladies just full on skip out on what you call one of the most important days of your life. So I don't understand that.

[Ronnie Caram]

Is this where Stephanie yells, where she's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, wait, wait, can I talk for a second? This is out of nowhere. She's like. She's silent, and then all of a sudden, she acts like she's been talked over. Everything's like, just typical banter. And then she's like, whoa, Stephanie.

[Ronnie Caram]

But I want to clear the air from this horrible misconception. Is it really that bad to fly on Show My Air with the rules? Did you have fun? Or, like, was it that crazy? Oh, my God. It wasn't just your rules about not pooping on the plane. It was that you were threatening to leave half the cast off of the plane once you were already there. You little. What's the short person who gets mad? The short person who gets mad? Well, who just said Napoleon? You little freaking Napoleon.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, who's the one who just said imp on Bravo? Oh, was it. It was Stacy. Stacy called Ashley and imp, which I thought was imp. I. What was so funny is that that Stephanie is like, everyone shut up. Up. Like, she screams like she has this really salient point, and then she's like, can we all agree Riding on show. My air was pretty good. It was fine, right? I was like, that's really. That's why you halted everyone to say that. So, yeah, we see footage of them on the plane dancing, and it was really great. And Marisol's like, listen, Stephanie, it wasn't about the rules. When we sat down to do the plane layout, and we're deciding, oh, we're gonna put Kiki in this room, far away from Adriana and all that stuff, you know, I started to feel like everyone's gonna be. It sort of feels like solitary confinement. You're calling so many shots. I didn't like it. It.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she's like, well, have you been on a private jet? Because there's no solitary confinement in a private jet. Well, the way that you were drawing out that thing, it looked like you were shoving people in their own private rooms where they were not going to be talked to. You were the one who made the drawing.

[Ben Mandelker]

And, like, I think there's also an element of. Sorry. I think there's also an element of. I think of Stephanie was 100% on a power trip. We all agree. And I Think there's also an element of, like, not only was she on a power trip trip, she's in no position on this cast as a newbie to be on a power trip. Like, if Alexia had done it, I think Marisol had been like, this is a great plan. I mean, wasn't it just, like, a few episodes prior that they. They literally split up into two yachts, which is kind of not that different. Be like, okay, this person goes in this yacht, this person goes in this yacht. We gotta keep these people away from each other. So, like, they're not opposed to micromanaging a luxury travel experience. Yeah, but I think. True. But I do think if they are different because Stephanie is and was on a power trip, but it was that she's a newbie on a power trip, and they don't like, yeah, you're a new person coming in and saying, this is how it's gonna be.

[Ronnie Caram]

I think you're right. I think Mary Soul and Alexi are like, I'm not gonna be bossed around by this newbie. Let's show her who's boss and not go on her stupid trip. Right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but freshman telling a senior how to act.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And they're also wrong in that when Stephanie did that, they could have just called. They could have just said either right then and there when they were with Stephanie. Listen, Stephanie dividing, threatening that they can't come back on the plane is just really uncomfortable. Like, I don't want to get stuck in Marbella. I don't want to get stuck in Marbella if you're going to kick half the people off the plane. Like, we'll just take a train or something, because I don't even want to deal with this. Like, you're being annoying with your plane. But they don't. You know, they slink off and then they don't say anything. And then they try and power trip her by just not showing up and writing some snotty little text. And that's where Alexi and Marisol go wrong, because they're obviously being mean girls. And then Marisol shows, even though Stephanie kind of deserved it, you know, but then Marisol shows up like, what? What I do. We just didn't want to go. Instead of having the gonads to just say, I didn't like what you did, and I didn't like your attitude. And that's why we weren't gonna go. We thought you were being a little fucker. So.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, and I think that also, like, this is where Marisol gets the reputation of being a manipulator. Because like you said, she should have said at that moment, hey, Mighty Mouse, this is all great, but this is just not the way we should really be conducting it. Let's just all go, have a good time.

[Ronnie Caram]

Time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Let's not worry about it. We'll keep each other in check. This is not the way we. We act as a friend group, but by her just nodding and then the next, just like, being non confrontational and saying, we're not gonna go. And then it is a little bit of a power, like a power play by her and Alexia. And that is inherently a manipulation. If you are. You are not participating in order to sort of elevate yourself or to create separation between someone between you and someone you think is acting crazy. And now there is a narrative that Stephanie was being crazy with the plane. You've now manipulated a situation. Whether it was, like, super intentional or not. That is what you've done.

[Ronnie Caram]

And it gets worse because Stephanie's like, well, it also hurt me that from what they said, you tried to convince everyone not to go. She's like, no, no, no. And Adriana's like, yes, yes. She's like, no, there were only three of us together. And Gertie's like, such a liar.

[Ben Mandelker]

She is such a liar.

[Ronnie Caram]

And so Alexi is like, well, we said maybe we shouldn't go on your plane under that circumstance, but we would still want to be there for Julia. So we were going to take a train to Marbella. That's what. That's what it was. That's what it was. We were just going to take a train. So it wasn't personal trains.

[Ben Mandelker]

Then why didn't you take a train? Especially if you're saying so much that, like, Mar. Like Marisol or Marisol. Marisol made it sound like they decided to hold back because Alexia needed, like, a private. That if you're on a train, you're gonna have a lot of time to chill out and talk and have private time. So that's kind of bullshit, too. Like, don't say you were gonna take a train and then you don't even take the train. If you were gonna take the train, you would have taken the train.

[Ronnie Caram]

1. The point was you guys just didn't communicate with her at all. Instead, you just, like, gave her the silent treatment and didn't show up and sent her some little shitty text, like, right at the last second, you know? Yeah, they're jerks. So. And Stephanie kind of deserved it because she was being a jerk. Like, I would have been the Alexi and Marisol in that position. But I would have said you're being mean and I don't want to go on your stup. Going to like, you know, make me feel bad about it. Commercials.

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[Ronnie Caram]

Andy brings it back around to Stephanie calling Marisol and Alexia twins. And so he has this adorable segment where he's like, I'm going to ask you questions and see if you answer. Like, twins do.

[Ben Mandelker]

I hate it.

[Ronnie Caram]

So they do that. And so they do that. Is Kiki's dad hot or not? Does Jody have furby eyes? And everyone just kind of gets. Everybody just kind of cringes because it's just like, Lisa's just crying that you guys are making fun of her. This is so Andy. She's like, please stop bringing Jody into. And he's like, does Jody have fury eyes? Yes or no? Because he's a gigantic cokehead. Yes or no?

[Ben Mandelker]

They're too nice to say anything to say. To say yes. Like, all right, is Stephanie spying on her parents creepy or cool? And they're like, what? What are you even talking about? It's like, oh, it's a reference to, like, one passing comment in a confessional from earlier in the season. And so they have to show it. And. And Stephanie's like, oh, my God, I didn't spy. I just set up their cameras. This is outrageous. Oh, my God. I'm like, America's favorite right now. So. Yes, they're twins. It's official. They're twins. So. All right. Okay. I want to move on to cakegate. Kiki, the equation you wrote on the cake was 32. 2 minus 5 equals 59. Larsa, you can come back to us. She gets a little confused when math gets involved. Okay.

[Ronnie Caram]

All right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Welcome back, Larissa. Sorry, that was scary.

[Ronnie Caram]

Let's, like, did you know how that was going to land with her calling Adriana old? And Kiki's like, well, now that I look back at it, it does look mean. And I heard ratchet in that moment. Okay. And my instant push back was, you're too old to be talking like that, because I'm the type that I'll just hit you where it hurt. But to be honest, it was not coming from malicious place. Blah, blah, blah. And so you think it's easy to age? Oh, my God. You're talking to a Real Housewives cast and a mom. Of course she knows how hard it is to age.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. This is the wrong audience, Adriana. This is especially when you were, like, aging, like, magnificently and you're gonna be like, oh, do you know how hard it is? I mean, this is a lady who is literally pushing 60. She is gonna be turning 60, and she looks, like, fantastic.

[Ronnie Caram]

You're a stem cell in a wig. You look amazing. What are you talking about?

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, well, does this. Does your opinion change when you see that Kiki had no ill intentions, just. But it was hurtful nevertheless, because, you know, at first, I made it very clear. Gertie had even months before even offered to throw me a birthday party. And I never want a birthday party. I never celebrate my birthday, Andy, because I don't want to feel like that. I don't want to feel like someone you have to just buy a coffee machine for, you know?

[Ronnie Caram]

And I literally.

[Ben Mandelker]

The last party I had, I was 15. Who is my kinsanera? Oh, God. Gosh, I don't believe that whatsoever. In fact, I'm sure we could probably find some evidence of her having birthday parties over the past, you know, 40 something years.

[Ronnie Caram]

I just think it's funny thinking of her, like, at 16 being like, no, I don't want a birthday party.

[Ben Mandelker]

Please, please, I'm being 16.

[Ronnie Caram]

Just kill me now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. Are you kidding me right now? She's talking about how old Eve age. You know, like, she called me an old, and I have old lady knees. She did that to me. And we see that yacht trip where's basically an hour of Adriana being like, old hornies, wrinkly old knees, stupid knees. Knees of an old crone.

[Ronnie Caram]

Maybe you should do something about your skinny knees. You old with your wrinkling.

[Ben Mandelker]

Still, I still yell that at Bueller.

[Ronnie Caram]

When he's, like, taking too long to pee or something. Something. So Andy's like, okay, well, given how sensitive you are about age, aging, you know, the word old, you know, getting crow's feet, waddles, etc.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, please.

[Ronnie Caram]

I mean, no. More like, okay, well, do you think it's okay to come. To come Marisol, about her old, wrinkled knees? Can we get a close up of Marisol's knees? Right? Because the camera just closes up on Marisol's knees and just stays there and keeps cutting back to them.

[Ben Mandelker]

Him. Which is hilarious. He's like.

[Ronnie Caram]

Which he's showing off tonight. Do you think that's hypocritical? Another shot of the knees. Can we draw some eyes on the knees and maybe a frowny face?

[Ben Mandelker]

America, in case you're looking, that is not the Game of Thrones map. Those are varicose veins on her knees. All right, so Adriana's like, well, the reason why I said it was just. It was my intention to hurt her. And I love how when Kiki said says, you know, I only called you old because I. I knew I. I wanted to hurt you. Like, I. I want to say the worst thing to hurt you. And Adrian is like, but it was hurtful. That was still so rude of you. But then when Adriana is called out for calling Marisol old, she's like, well, I. I wanted to hurt her. So I don't see what's wrong with it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Adriana's excuse is so funny. She's like, yeah, well, it was. It was hurtful because it was supposed to be hurtful. That was the intention. She's like, I was removing myself from your presence. Well, it's not easy. You should know that. You should be a little more sens about my age. Marisol's like, well, you didn't make it easy for me. I'm gonna have surgery on my knees, Literal surgery on my knees, because he made me feel so bad about it. Can we get a close up of my niece? And he's like, can we get a close up of that baseball glove that looks like it's been left out in acid rain? Marisol's knees. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, can we get a close up of that conical sharpay dog right there on this? Oh, that's her knees. Never mind.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm sorry. Can we get a close up of this paper mache balloon?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Ronnie Caram]

That was Marisol's knees. Knees. Right. All right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, can we get a close up of that dried up river bed that sometimes fills up with flash floods? Oh, it's Marisol's knees. Sorry about that.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she's like, wait, wait, wait. Kiki's like, wait, wait, wait. Mary so said she's gonna have knee surgery. She said. She said that, yeah, I'm gonna have knee procedure because I just feel so uncomfortable. Literally the rest of the season, I wore pantyhose.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, you shouldn't. And Andy's like, well, what procedure you're doing on your knees? Well, it's called Renu von, and it's going to help me get knees, so. Because I'm really self conscious about the wrinkles on my knees now. There's nothing wrong with your knees. Nothing at all. Nothing wrong. As we say in Russia, why are your knees so smooth? That is great compliment.

[Ronnie Caram]

Why are your knees open? So why? This is what we say in Russia. And I love that she is plugging Renuvion because she actually did go get that on her Instagram, you know, so she's getting like, the deal, the free deal or whatever.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, probably Renuvion probably reached out to Marisol, was like, hey, we'll give you a free knee thing if you want. She's like, sure, I'll do it. And now she's probably saying, like, now I feel so self conscious about my knees. I actually cannot believe that Marisol felt self conscious after Adriana about her knees. I think that she just got this deal and now she's milking it and she's like, well, I am. I am doing my knees, so I might as well use that and get some sympathy for it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Looks interesting. A thin probe is inserted under the skin. RF energy and helium plasma are released, creating a controlled heat that contracts the collagen fibers in the skin. I'm in. Let's do it. Where? Can you do it on me? Just pick a spot. Maybe the back of my arm. Like the back of my elbows or whatever.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now they go on them.

[Ronnie Caram]

I guess that wouldn't be the back of my elbows. Yeah, my weakness. I want to try. I want weenus talks. Hey, what's wrong with your wrist?

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what? This is so embarrassing. I went to the gym on Sunday and I literally picked up a 20 pound weight, which is like, not like. This is not like bodybuilder stuff. And my wrist was like, no, thanks. And it, like, I basically strained my wrists and now it's, like, aching and I have to, like, wear a splint. And it's annoying because I was, like, all into going to the gym this month, and now I can't even.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I don't want to scare you, but I'm looking up an article, and it says if you eat food that has been over charred and turns blue, it weakens your bones.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, no.

[Ronnie Caram]

You could be.

[Ben Mandelker]

You would think it'd be the opposite. That's like, oh, well, I got some. I got some enamel in me now. This wrist should be strengthening up, but instead it's.

[Ronnie Caram]

You're gonna be cooking. You're gonna be cooking vegetables in your wrist.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Dom said I look like a. Like a lady named dawn who's like, working like the secretary, being like, hey, guys, I got my carpal tunnel.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's typing. It's the typing. It'll do it to you every time.

[Ben Mandelker]

You gotta call it. Line one. I can't answer. I got the couple.

[Ronnie Caram]

So they're all talking about how her knees are amazing and we keep getting close ups of her knees and stuff. Stuff. So now we go on break. Some people go pee pee. Stephanie comes up to Alexia, and she's like, do you, like, did you like my rottweiler prop? Wasn't that funny? I was so proud of it. She's like, you're hilarious.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't. I wasn't watching. I Fast forward your scenes. So Basky comes by to say hi to Adriana, and it's cute and everything. And then Jody and Lisa are sitting, and Jod's like, you're killing it out there. You're doing a great job. You're absolutely killing it. I don't know what you said, but I just really wanted l to own it and retract the accusations that were cast against, you know, you. Because, like, this is her fault. You're, like, a businessman. So Larsa comes in. Knock, like, knock, like, hey, Jody, how are you? Can I sit? Like, can I sit X, Y, and Z. Thanks. Like, I'm gonna sit. Like, okay, guys, like, you know, Jody. I know, like, you don't know, like, my history with, like, Lisa, like, and we've been, like, such good friends. Like, and, like, I've gone through so much together. Like, for instance, there was the time, like, where I, like, listened to her for, like, three years straight about, like, her divorce. Like, and then there was, like, like, also the time where she didn't, like, care about me. Like, and I just have been, like, a great friend to her. Like, it's just gone so south, and I just felt like, you know what I'm saying? It's just, like, it's been really tough for me. Like, so I just want to say that I'm, like, really the victim in this. Like, and if you want to apologize to me, like, that'd be great. Like.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, but that was a lot for him. He didn't want to be part of a circus. Yeah, but, like, Lisa, like, why didn't you call me then? Like, because we were. What do you mean? But, like, if you called me, like, I would always, like, take your car. Like, I was, like, very hurt. Like, yeah, but, like, maybe you need, like, another day without any of this pressure that comes with reunions to, like, talk. Okay, but the point is, Jody, with just having him be dragged through this situation, it was so bad. Jody's like, huh, huh? Yeah, but I just, like, wanted to say, like, I'm sorry, like, because, like, I. I wasn't trying to bring you into it when I was like, jody's on coke. Or, like, you know, Jody's following Marcus still. And, like, Jody would be nothing without, like, Marcus. Like. And, like, Jody's a climber. Like, like, I didn't mean that in an offensive way. Like, so, like, I hope that you understand that it's Allis's fault. Like, and he's like, uhhuh. Okay, Kate, like, thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Saying that. Yeah. Like, I don't want you guys to, like, ever be like, you know, stuff, okay. Because, like, it's just like, it almost broke us up. Like, you know, the last time I saw Arcus was like a year ago. And I was like, hey, Marcus, why don't we hang out more? What was that? Nothing, nothing. Don't worry about it. Listen, we don't want to be a part of it. Okay? Everything's good. All right. Well, okay. Good. Cuz, like, I just. I apologize. I don't want to fight with you. I don't want to fight. I love you. I love you. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, like, love.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Do you have, like an eac. Like, so they hug and then Lisa's like, your boobs are in the way. So now it's time to go back to the set and Mary Soul's got her handy prop there. She's like, yeah, no one's. I'm bringing my own cookie. So Lara's ghost is set and she's like, can we have some, like, tissue? Like, And Hany gives her some and she's like, oh, my God, these are, like, the best, like, tissues I've ever, like, had. Like, like, these are, like, amazingly soft. Like, Andy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, well, yeah, here. Nothing but the best for. For Miami. Well, look. Hey, here's a tissue. One for Sue Hermana. That's Spanish, Lisa.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, so we're back. Real Housewives of Miami, Part 37. Lisa. Larsa, it seems like something positive has happened. Yeah, we had a nice talk. We feel good right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Now.

[Ronnie Caram]

So good. You know? You don't know how much that meant to me, right? Larsa? She's like, yeah, yeah, we had, like, a good, like, I, like, hug Jody. Like, yeah, my nose running. Like, could you give me another T? You, like.

[Ben Mandelker]

We had this thing where I look at her and she looks at me. We start laughing and then talking really fast and our eyes open up really big. Oh, so you're angry at each other.

[Ronnie Caram]

Watch your mouth. Watch your goddamn mouth.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, yeah, let's talk about. Let's talk to Gertie about her post cancer live.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yes, Gertie.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now we see a montage of Gertie's storyline and her therapy and all. And all of that really good stuff. And he's like, okay, well, first, give us the latest health update. So Gertie gets very emotional, and she says she's getting her groove back, and she decided not to get that reconstructive surgery. She said enough was enough. Enough. And she's thankful. Just be thankful for what you have. And, you know. And, you know, then we see Russell. It always comes to Russell, like, smiling and nodding like, that's my girl in the back. And she talks about her therapy and how she talks about that. The. The story of, again, of how she came to America and then was essentially kind of abandoned while her family went back to her parents, went back to try to, like, bring the rest of the family over, and how it gave her lots of, like, abandonment issues.

[Ronnie Caram]

And so he's like, well, do you think there's a connection with the feeling of being abandoned as a child and what happened with Julia? What do you mean? Well, you know, like, being abandoned. But what do you mean? Black. As a friend from Julia. Julia abandoning you, basically, she's like, oh, oh, okay. Well, not. That's. Maybe abandoned is not the right word, but, like, degrading. That's how it felt. Degrading, you know, because, like, I like the symbolic gesture of, like, you know, this is like, it's. It's traumatic. It was very traumatic, Andy. It was traumatic. She's like, I am sorry, Guardi. Again, I made you feel this way. Way. It was not intended. You know, I lost my cool, and I'm so sorry I made you feel that way and brought you back the pain. The pain you felt as a child. Like, thank you, thank you, thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

You just don't understand that when I was a child, I was invited onto a celebrity cruise and I was not invited into the main room. So it brought back a lot to me.

[Ronnie Caram]

I remember walking into that school, and there was a lunch lady who looked like Captain Sandy in polyester capri pants, and she would not let me have a sloppy joe, like, everybody else's sloppy joe. And so when I was kicked out of Captain Sandy's. Okay, okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, that was actually me. Yeah, Before I was a captain, I.

[Ronnie Caram]

Hit some rough times. Yeah, that was. That was back before I found the miracle of yachting.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, back then, I said, I don't want any more sloppy joes. I want clean joes.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'll tell you what, I don't miss the hair net, but I do miss refusing to give little girls. I don't like sloppy joes. So. So Her. Her wife. Baby. Baby. Captain Sandy's wife. Whatever her name is. Like, in a sexy way. Yeah, Leah. Leah posted on Instagram, someone asked her like, what the hell was this? Why didn't Captain. Why didn't you guys let Gertie sit at your table? And she's like, maybe this is so ridiculous, baby. Because, like, Julia wasn't even table. She was at another table. We were at a table with family and friends. So I don't even know what Julie is talking about, because she wasn't at our table.

[Ben Mandelker]

Was this. It wasn't at a Captain Sandy event?

[Ronnie Caram]

It was. Yeah, it was like some Captain Sandy event on the boat. But Julia did have tickets to come with Martina, but it wasn't at Captain Sandy's table. Julia is making it sound like there was only so much room at Captain Sandy's table table, you know, and that's why they didn't have Martina. And then when they asked Sandy about it on Watch what happens, she's like, oh, this situation is just so silly, you know? Like, I mean, basically. I mean, there were only a certain number of places at the table, but, you know, the way I am is that anybody can just pull up a chair at a table. Like, she avoided the question instead of just being like, well, she wasn't Martina. So we said no, you know, which.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is probably the truth. Yeah, I would have liked, actually, Andy to have gotten a little bit further to the bottom of this logistical thing with the boat on this reunion. It sort of didn't get brought up at all, really. I mean, I know the first episode of the reunion, there's a lot of Julia and Gertie stuff. And, you know, it's a. It's. It. When. When Gertie gets really upset, she. She really can. She's like Angie K, like, and Lisa Barlo, they just start, like, sort of like word vomiting. And you kind of, like, can no longer, like, really have good questioning, I guess you could say. But I still would have liked Andy to have been like, can we just get to the bottom of what this cruise was? What happened? What were the logistics? Can you paint the picture? Because nothing really makes sense to the audience.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. What's the point of bringing it up if you're not going to get into it? You know, it's a reunion. Come on. So now we talk about Julia's kids, and so we get wacky scenes of Christmas pictures and stuff. And then Andy's like, so how are the boys? And she's like, they're at home, not with Martin. Tina which isn't really answering the question. How old are they? They are four to whatever. They're doing fine. They're great. So she talks about the kid, her. Her daughters, and the. It happened so fast that they didn't get to talk to the daughters about it. And Andy's like, so they felt replaced. And she's like, well, in the beginning, probably. Also because I was calling the boys by their names because, you know, I was looking at the boys as replacements for my daughters, but I didn't want them to feel repaired, replaced.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, okay, so do not like that. We named the boys New Vika and new Emma, but since that was point of contention, we changed their names, which I thought was very nice of us.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she's like, you know, teenagers. But, you know, they know I want to have a big family. And so Vika has met the boys. Emma has not. But they FaceTimed. So has she come around? And she's like, oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. You know, she's younger. Emma's younger, so it's harder with her. Okay, well, papa from can you hear me? Says, julia, I have so much respect for you adopting these boys, but you and Martina are older. Have you talked to your girls about raising the boys? And I think that question was probably rephrased to be nicer, because I think it should have been phrased like, you know, you all don't have much time left, and you're forcing these kids. Your. Your kids into raising these new kids after you die. Right. Right. Ah, you know, we did. And, you know, we are family. And the girls will be there.

[Ben Mandelker]

They're their brothers. So that goes without saying. And the. You know, the daughter's like, hello, we gallivant around Europe now. We are not stopping everything to go to Florida to raise two children that just suddenly dropped into our lives that we know.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

All our brothers.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Yeah. Until he's like, no, they're gonna love it. Nope. So, Marisol, rumor is you're looking to sell Mama Elsa's house, which I don't think anybody cares about, except it's a chance to get in a Mama Elsa.

[Ben Mandelker]

Clip, which is so good.

[Ronnie Caram]

Mama Elsa just walking around the house with her giant fan, going lonely again in this lonely house without family, without anything, all on my own. On talking to nobody about nothing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. Well, I know, Marisol, you're in communication with Maris, with Mama Elsa. What does she think about you? Sell your place? Well, I. I don't think she's really attached. And then Stephanie's like, wait, Wait, wait, wait. What do you mean you're in communication? Wait a second. You can talk to your dead mom, but I can't even talk to my twin sisters? Like, this isn't even right.

[Ronnie Caram]

How is a dead person willing to speak to you? More than living people are willing to speak to me. This is crazy. Crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, Riley from Not Candy Burris's house says, marisol, I know you wished your mom could have been there to see you marry Steve. You know that? Like, Elsa's like, oh, I saw it from heaven, and believe me, I fell asleep five times.

[Ronnie Caram]

So what do you think that Marisol would have said in her mother of the bride speech? She said, oh, gosh, you would love Steve. That's not the. That's not the answer. The answer is, what would she say in her speech? And I think it would go something.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, oh, Mary, sorry.

[Ronnie Caram]

Find somebody else to marry her. I don't know how she did it, but she did it to me. She is like toast without butter. But some men still will eat her anyway, because men, they eat. Speaking of, is it time for dinner?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, she was a blushing bride for the third time. And even though Marisol claims she has a lovely colon, some kind of think she's an a hole. So Marisol montage of Marisol being, you know, getting married, but then also being shady. So Andy is like. Well, to add to the pile on. Recently on her podcast, Dr. Nicole accused an unnamed friend of. That's you, Marisol, of hiring a private investigator to dig up information on her. What's your response? I'll prove it. Right.

[Ronnie Caram]

That makes you sound innocent. Prove it. That's what I say. Prove it. No, no.

[Ben Mandelker]

Admit to doing this in a previous reunion. Yeah. Hired someone they wanted. They were at the mall. They tracked them.

[Ronnie Caram]

Did she admit to doing that?

[Ben Mandelker]

Maybe.

[Ronnie Caram]

I think that was in our head. I think that was a made up thing that we made up a restaurant in a mall that he was following her at, I think. I don't even know. Have to make up and what's real. Yeah, I don't know. So he's like, well, why do you think Nicole's bringing it up now? She's like, listeners. She's desperate. Desperate for listeners. And Alexi's like, yeah, it doesn't make any sense to bring it up to. No. And Marisol goes, proven or we're going to corn. Oh, yeah, I would love to see. I would love to see Discovery. Please do. Sue, Sue, Sue, Sue.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, seriously. All right, Stephanie, you originally believed that Alexia influenced Marisol's opinion. And then after your talk with Alexi on the spot, your opinion flipped. So what? Who do you think manipulates who in this Alexia Marisol dynamic? Well, as much as I love you, as much as I love sh. But are. You've actually hurt my feelings, and I haven't, like, really talked to you about that, but I think, like, Larsa went and told you, but, like, it hurt my feelings. Since I've been, like, on the show, it's been, like, very hard for me to deal with public backlash. And, like, it's been really hard for me. And, like, you know who managed to send me the every single terrible article about me? Was it your twin sister? No, actually, she didn't even do that. It was Marisol. Marisol did that.

[Ronnie Caram]

You didn't answer the question, though, which was, who do you think manipulates who in the Alexa Marisol dynamic? I like that no one even listens to the questions anymore. She's just like, okay, this is my chance to yell at her. So Marisol's like, well, she told me you didn't like it. I mean, why don't you tell me you didn't like it? I would want to know this. I wanted. I would want to know this is out there. So I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna tell you that everyone hates you when I find out, you know, like, good morning. People still hate you. So, I mean, I. I was considering it a favor. You should have just told me, Marisol.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sending shitty headlines to Stephanie is so hilariously nasty. I mean, like. And then she acts like, no, I'm just trying to help. Helper. What an underminer. Wow. Talk about toxicity.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Oh, this is manipulation. That's manipulation right there. This is slander. And Stephanie, everyone tags me every day I go to bed. This is thinking the worst idea of my life. You know, I'm getting hounded by everybody. The press, everyone's. Everyone's making fun of me. Well, I wish you would have told me that. I mean, I knew everybody was making fun of you because I was sending you the headline. Those headlines were good, too. Those are really good. Listen, you know what? You try and give someone a good smile every day, and look. Look at the thanks that they give you. Look at the thanks.

[Ben Mandelker]

Can I say something like. Can I say something like. Honestly, I. I think I know what it is? Like, so, like, Marisa thought, like, when you were going to come on into the friend group, that, like, you and her and I and Alexia, we're all gonna become really close. Like, you're gonna be like, the rich one, and then I'd be the one with the hot boyfriends. And then they'd be like, our two old aunts. And then, like, is there anyone else in our group?

[Ronnie Caram]

I think that's just it.

[Ben Mandelker]

And we'd just be, like, the best. But then, like, you were, like, friends with, like, the not cool people, and that was, like, really hurtful for. For her. So I think that's, like, what happened.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, I love that Larsa is basically saying Marisol wanted you as her friend, and when you were friends with everybody, she decided to turn against you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Which is basically what Larsa just said.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And Mary Soul's like, yeah, but I encouraged you to be friends with every money. She goes, you did? You know what? And you guys don't believe me, but my lunch with Adriana, she told me, you got to get to know everybody. And she goes, well, I said the same thing. No, you said the same thing. It's just, like, I tried truly think that you got. Yeah, but, like, she felt hurt, like, because she thought your relationship was going to be, like, solid. Like. And you know what? Can we get a close up of Mary Soul's knees? Because this is, like, a sad part.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, okay, I think your circle is.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, very small, and people don't know how sensitive you are. You know what I mean? Look, her knees are agreeing. Why are your knees crying? Your knees look very upset.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, oh, my God. It's like that commercial for, like, don't litter. Your knees are crying. So Andy. And he's like, so do you think Mar is a safe space space? And Stephanie's like, I think that, like, Marisol gave me absolutely good advice at the time on that. On that virgin voyages. And she said, and I think it was great advice, which is like, there's no safe space to talk to anything about anyone, you know, or anybody about anything. All right, well, there's no safe spaces at the final party as Marisol dropped a bombshell. And we see a flashback to Marisol claiming that she told Adriana to. To say wretched instead of ratchet as the reason. Like, she came up with this excuse. And Marisol was like, ah, I came up with it. Wretched. Yeah, that was my big thing. And Adrian is like, no, wretched. That's the word I use. It was the context.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's what I said. That's what I meant. Ratchet. W, R E D C. Ratchet. That's what I said.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, God, no, we.

[Ronnie Caram]

Did you mean to call Kiki ratchet or rat Ratchet. Ratchet. But ratchet or wretched. Ratchet.

[Ben Mandelker]

Again. And she. She clearly says ratchet. Ratchet. She said wretched.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

It does not say something close to it. It's ratchet. It's ratchet.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she knows what she said. She's a smart lady. She brags. This is a lady who, in another flashback, we just saw her Santa flash back on the yachts, was saying, like, she's doing this so that way it doesn't absolve her of yada yada. She's using words like absolve. She's bragging about going to Harvard. She knows the difference. She knows the word wretched. She knows how to say the word wretched. She says the word wretched multiple times. She said ratchet at that moment.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And Kiki is like, but whether it was ratchet or wretched, whatever it was, I don't care. And Alexi is like, yeah, you know what? Kiki doesn't get care. Kiki doesn't care. She said it right now. She doesn't care.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Adriana insists that she's not lying and everything, and they all start talking over each other. And Gertie's like, wretched is such a weird word to use. And somebody goes, this is why everyone said. This is what everyone sounds like a bunch of. A bunch of barking dogs. Am I right? Remember, Should I get my prop out? That was such a good prop. We all like my prop, Right?

[Ronnie Caram]

But why are you calling her? And I had your back. You know, we don't need to argue about this, because the definition and what she used clearly was not what Kiki was doing. She wasn't ratchet. She was miserable all day. Day. So, you know, let's talk about the actual day. She was miserable, which would mean wretched, right? And Adriana's like, yes, the context. And so Kiki says, look, her question with ratchet is whether or not Adriana actually used that word. She doesn't think she's racist, but her question is, even if people take it that way, she doesn't care because she knows who she is as a person. That said, you've been fighting with Marisol since the Roman Empire, which is fine. And you never say ratchet to her because it's like another way of calling her old, right? You've been fighting with Mary Sol since the Roman Empire, and you never say ratchet to her. You never say it to Julia. You never say ratchet to any of them. So why would you say it to me? Why only me? So. Right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, I think she's saying, I don't think you're racist, but I think you're problematic.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Because all at the context of that entire conversation was that, like, Lisa, I'm sorry, Adriana accidentally outed this moment with Lisa unfollowed, following Marcus. And Kiki said, like, why are you doing that? You weren't supposed to do that, Adriana. And she'll stop being. She's basically saying, whether you call me ratchet or wretched, it was undeserved hostility aimed towards me, and I don't know why it came towards me. So.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, I thought she was saying the word rat. Like, you said ratchet. You're calling the black woman ratchet, but you've never called anybody else that word, so why are you calling me?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, there's that, too. I mean, it's all that.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Andy's like, so who deserves more of the criticism? And Mary Soul's like, oh, probably me. It's my fault. Everything is my fault. And Kiki's like, well, look, for two people to be. And Andy's like, so are you mad at Marisol for giving her a different word to you or an excuse or whatever? And she's like, well, yeah, because I'm supposed to be friends with her, and then she's going behind my back to help Adriana, who's the biggest enemy. And Adriana's like, bingo. Kiki says, you know, I find them at that point both to be backstabby.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Yeah. And so Adriana's like, see, you were trying. Marisol. You were trying to have something to hanging over my head. You're trying to have wrinkly knees over my head. And that's what you were trying to do, to manipulate the situation like you always do. Well, I want you to lay off of me, okay? I'm poor Marisol. I'm just getting beat up by Adriana. Okay, well, do you feel like you owe anyone an apology? Well, I didn't even take Keeks into consideration, so. Keeks, I guess I apologize.

[Ronnie Caram]

Eyes.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sorry about that. I didn't think it would affect you. And I just made a deal to let Adriana off the hook and make you seem like a crazy person who's using the race card. Sorry, didn't even think about that.

[Ronnie Caram]

Who? Yeah, exactly. Well said. And Adriana's like, oh, poor you, Mary Soul. She goes, yeah, I was just thinking about myself and not having any more issues with you, crazy person. Oh, crocodile tears coming out of you, like A faucet. Like a faucet, you know, where it's. Could use some moisture. Your neck, knees. Put some crocodile tears on your knees. Okay. Close up of the knees.

[Ben Mandelker]

Get that Lubriderm crocodile in there. Let it cry on your knees.

[Ronnie Caram]

So now we move on. I really wish we hadn't moved on. I wish that they had just gotten Adriana to admit it, but I don't know how you get her to admit it. I think Kiki was said what she said pretty well, but it just seems annoying because she did say ratchet. I wish she had just said, yes, I said ratchet. I wasn't aware that it was that bad to say. I just heard it in slang, and I said said it or something. Yeah, but just saying, like, I didn't say it. I. I meant wretched the whole time. I ain't buying it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, no one's buying that one. So we're back for the final moments of season seven. It's also the final moments for Marisol's knees. So in a season that had a lot of strong personalities clashing and a lot of wrinkles forming on that kneecap, I want to see if we can actually end on a positive note. But, Julia, that's not an actual musical note, so please close your mouth. I know you're about to try to belt one out.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Stephanie says it's, you know, the best experience of her life. She's got true sisters now. And then Andy compliments Lisa on her growth, and she's like, thank you. Thank you. I've grown tremendously as a mother, as a person, as a friend. I'm taking accountability. I've been on time a few times. I mean, come on. I'm basically a good person now. And Stephanie's like, do you think that means I'm the lucky token? All right.

[Ben Mandelker]

And, Gertie. Huh? Green. What about you? Well, you know, I'm so glad you asked me this, because I'm doing amazing. And. Hold on. Let me get this book out from beneath this pillow to show how I've had such a good season, here is a new book that I'm holding. And you're gonna plug your book now? Of course I am, because it's all about coming full circle. It's about trauma to text messages on screens. Oh, I'm sorry. It's called Trauma to Trophies. We changed the name. Sorry.

[Ronnie Caram]

Because everything that happened here, I'm using it to fuel and empower me. So, yes. From Trauma to Trophies, the memoir, America's like, good name. Good name. Adriana what are you gonna be taking back from the season? She's like, well, people are only up to the things that are right or wrong. But also because I felt that this morning, the little note you had in your mirrors was written by me. And so we see that she left a note on everybody's mirror that said in bottom, everybody better abide by these instructions. Rule number one, Clear, clean, precise focus. The statement of your position. Because, you know, she's in. Sure, she's in therapy class now. She's going to be a psychologist now.

[Ben Mandelker]

But also, like, this is the Miami cast. I don't Focused statement of your position is just a concept that does not exist on this show. Marisol is like, oh, God. It says evidence, credible data, statistics, expert opinions site verify. Oh, please. Jeez, give me a break.

[Ronnie Caram]

So she's like, yeah, well, terminology was so legal. So she's like, I'm going to Harvard, girl. I write all the time.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Kiki don't know the difference between ratchet and wretched. But I can write. I can write all these fine bullet points for you guys.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So Kiki thinks of them all as sisters. Mary still loves having girlfriends, friends. And Julia, you know, she says it wasn't my best season and my worst season. Her family was great, but she's so sorry who she's hurt everybody. And I hope to rediscover each and every one of you and move in a positive note. Would everybody please raise my children, because my daughters will not.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Larsa, I feel like. Good night. Like, I'm, like, with my friends. Like, and I feel like we have, like, such a solid friendship. Like, and I, like, have a new basketball player. Like, and I could, like, say something to, like, make you mad, but, like, you know, like, even you, Adriana, if you ever call me, like, I'll be there for you. Like, anytime I see my phone light up and says old lady that I know, I'll be like, it's Adriana calling. Like, I got to answer it. Like, old lady.

[Ronnie Caram]

Probably calling from landline. That's how often you, like, entered in my.

[Ben Mandelker]

Alexia.

[Ronnie Caram]

What about you? She's like, blink in Spanish. Blink in Spanish. Blink in Spanish. Spanish blinkens. Okay, well, who needs a cocky. Cheers. Ladies, I want to thank you for an incredible season. Yo soy Andy Cohen, puta suching and miboka.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, I don't. What do you mean? Your soy sauce? No, it's a. I'm not even gonna bother explaining that to you, Lisa. You should know by now.

[Ronnie Caram]

And that brings us to the end of season seven of Real Housewives of Miami.

[Ben Mandelker]

Glorious. Glorious. What a wonderful show. I'm already excited for next season. Great work to everyone involved. Everyone from the people on the screen, the people off the screen, I salute you. You did an amazing job. Great work. And I'm ready.

[Ronnie Caram]

Great. I'm ready for more Miami.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. You know what I would say Miami is the reigning champ of the of the cities. As in, like, the super. There's the suburban ones, which is, like, ruled by Salt Lake City city and the city ones, which I think is ruled by Miami. That's my proclamation. I don't know why I felt like proclaiming it, but I proclaimed it. Everyone.

[Ronnie Caram]

There you go. It's been proclaimed. Love the show, love the ladies. Love you guys for listening. Thanks so much for being here. We will be back later on with Real housewives of Orange County. And next week, wife swap starts. So join us for wife swap recaps. That should be pretty interesting. We will talk to you next time. Thanks, everybody. Buddy. Bye. Bye.

[Ben Mandelker]

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