#3044 RHOP S10E03 Part Two: Chin Checks and Balances

Summary

Episode Summary: Watch What Crappens #3044

Podcast: Watch What Crappens
Episode: RHOP S10E03 Part Two: Chin Checks and Balances
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: October 20, 2025

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Main Theme

This episode delivers a signature, comedy-infused deep-dive into the second half of the Real Housewives of Potomac (RHOP) Season 10, Episode 3. Ben and Ronnie skewer and praise the cast’s new dynamics, heated confrontations over “chin check” accusations, family chaos, friendship betrayals, iconic cast fashion disasters, and more. The hosts revel in the absurdity, hypocrisy, and hilarity of the Housewives universe, using RHOP’s latest drama as fuel for sharp recaps, brutal impressions, and plenty of quotable asides.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tia’s Family Meltdown and Parenting Styles

Timestamp: 02:03–07:55

• Tia tries to manage her kids’ sleepover plans, but the conversation devolves into typical teenage drama. The bickering at the dinner table has Ben and Ronnie in stitches, with side commentary about how American and Nigerian parenting styles clash in the Tia household.
• Ben riffs on the “importance of being marginally insane as a parent” to keep kids in line, sharing a personal anecdote about carrying around a bowl of mushy Crispix all day thanks to his own mom’s extreme approach.
  • Quote (Ronnie): "You have to be marginally insane so they know that you're capable of doing anything." (06:08)
• Both hosts agree Tia is fast becoming a favorite for her tough love and candor about dealing with rude children.

2. Giselle, Tia & Angel Go Shopping; The Origins of “Naked”

Timestamp: 07:55–12:46

• The trio head to a boutique to shop for clothes for an upcoming trip. This evolves into a battle over “storylines,” as Tia and Giselle bicker about who gets to claim “naked” as their personal brand.

  • Quote (Ben, as Giselle): "My storyline is that I like to be naked, even though you're not going to see me naked." (08:33)

• They lampoon the boutique owner’s brief cameo, recalling a prior episode where they obsessed over her walk-on role.

• Wendy arrives and offends everyone with blunt commentary about the store being for grandmas. The hosts mock Wendy’s lack of self-awareness compared to her own fashion choices.

3. The Brewing “Chin Check” Drama & Trip Planning

Timestamp: 11:25–15:51

• Tensions boil as the “chin check” comment (which implies a violent confrontation) swirls. The hosts delight in how each cast member spins the term, and dissect who’s lying or doubling back.
  • Quote (Ronnie on Giselle): "Don’t ever think what I told you is not true — y’all say enough foolishness that I don’t even have to make things up anymore." (15:22)
• Giselle announces the group trip to Nevis, and Ben jokes about Angel’s stock declining due to her lack of "Housewives energy"—not drinking, not staying up late, and hosting safe, sound bowl parties.

4. Kieran’s Pre-Preakness Brunch: Awkward Family and Friend Dynamics

Timestamp: 16:51–18:40 & 21:25–32:55

• Kieran hosts a brunch with boyfriend Greg, her mom, and the cast. Greg’s attempts at support and the mom’s icy tolerance are dissected with glee.
• Stacy’s entrance and strained interaction with Greg provide more fuel. The hosts joke about Stacy’s height (“six foot four”) and her lack of warmth with Kieran.
• When Ashley and Giselle arrive, the hosts roast Giselle’s outlandish “blood clot” outfit, comparing it to Bette Midler’s famous shade in Big Business.
  • Quote (Ronnie): "You look like a blood clot." (19:49)
• The brunch spirals into a parade of fake niceties, shifting alliances, and endless one-upmanship about who deserves to host what event.

5. Escalation: Accusations of “Fake Energy” & Hypocrisy

Timestamp: 23:26–34:19

• Kieran accuses Wendy of “professor energy”—implying she acts superior because of her academic background. Wendy retorts that Kieran is insecure about her own profession.
  • Quote (Michelle as Wendy): "It seems like it bothers you because you're insecure about yours." (25:46)
• Kieran’s mom is said to be quietly evaluating the bickering, ready to jump in as needed.
• The “Chin Check” confrontation peaks as Angel tries to clarify her feelings about the term and having her loyalty questioned, only to be caught in the crosshairs as Kieran, Wendy, and Giselle push her to take sides.
  • Quote (Ronnie): "You can’t even be a friend for three weeks to somebody that you brought on the show... Already thrown your friend under the bus in under a week of shooting time, lady." (32:02)
• The conversation devolves into accusations of fakeness, gaslighting, and more back-and-forth about what was said, felt, and should have been done.

6. Sprinter Bus Banter, Final Insults & Shifting Alliances

Timestamp: 34:19–39:14

• The group heads to an event in a party bus, where tensions continue simmering. Kieran and Wendy trade jabs, with Kieran deploying a rapid-fire "fuck off" defense—earning (somewhat begrudging) admiration from the hosts for silencing Wendy’s usual endless debating.
  • Quote (Michelle as Kieran): "Fuck off, Wendy. Fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off." (38:23)
• They mercilessly mock Kieran and Angel’s shifting standards on what language or behavior is offensive, depending on whose side they’re on in the moment.
• Stacy makes an offhand threat about “chin check,” and Ashley melodramatically clutches her pearls about the trauma of the term—all while forgetting her own role in similar past conflicts.

7. Hypocrisy, Hilarity, and Laughter at the Chaos

Timestamp: 39:41–40:50

• The hosts point out the rampant hypocrisy as each Housewife contradicts herself from moment to moment.
• They end the recap howling with laughter at the messiness: Kieran’s central role, Stacy’s sudden focus, and the sheer entertainment value on offer this week.
  • Quote (Ronnie): "They can't find anything to grab onto... they're just throwing it all up in the air." (39:14)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "You have to be marginally insane so they know that you're capable of doing anything." – Ronnie, 06:08
• "My storyline is that I like to be naked, even though you're not going to see me naked." – Ben as Giselle, 08:33
• "You look like a blood clot." – Ronnie on Giselle’s outfit, 19:49
• "You can’t even be a friend for three weeks... already thrown your friend under the bus in under a week of shooting time." – Ronnie, 32:02
• "Fuck off, Wendy. Fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off." – Michelle as Kieran, 38:23
• "They can't find anything to grab onto... they're just throwing it all up in the air." – Ronnie, 39:14
• "Wow to you, Wendy. Wow to you too." – Angel (as performed by Michelle), 34:00

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Flow & Tone

Ben and Ronnie maintain their trademark irreverence—switching between sharp observations, spot-on impressions, withering mockery, and occasional tender praise for the cast’s more “heroic” moments. They keep the summary conversational, joke-dense, and loaded with callbacks, ensuring that even unfamiliar listeners will grasp the full arc of Potomac’s latest chaos.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:03–07:55: Tia’s family drama and parenting philosophy
• 07:55–12:46: Shopping, “naked” as a storyline, Wendy’s boutique shade
• 11:25–15:51: Chin check confusion & trip to Nevis planned
• 16:51–18:40 & 21:25–32:55: Kieran’s brunch, awkward family/friend moments
• 23:26–34:19: Pre-Preakness bickering, the “fake energy” wars
• 34:19–39:14: Sprinter bus sparring and shifting alliances
• 39:41–40:50: The hosts reflect on the hilarious hypocrisy and unexpected MVPs

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Conclusion

This episode of Watch What Crappens is a must-listen for Bravo fans—brilliantly distilling the drama, shade, and hypocrisy unfurling on The Real Housewives of Potomac. Come for the recaps, stay for the biting impressions, and leave with new appreciation for the art of Housewives chaos.

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[Michelle]

Hi everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that. Let's get right back into the episode.

[Karen]

So let's go to Tia and her family. The twins have a sleepover today. So I'll just be you, you two at home this evening. And then if you want to have a friend down, that's okay because I've got plans this evening. So does daddy. And Sienna's like, she wants to have like six people over. Mom, she's gonna have a party.

[Michelle]

No, I never said that. I never said that. Sienna, you're so stupid.

[Karen]

Yeah, you did. In my room you said you're having five people over. And with you, that's six people. No, I didn't.

[Michelle]

I never said that.

[Karen]

That's what you said.

[Michelle]

I Just said, if you guys want to have a friend ever, like, whatever.

[Karen]

I mean, that's. Sorry. That's what mom said.

[Michelle]

Whatever.

[Karen]

You're stupid. Tia's like, I said you could have one friend. So then they cut to the producer and they're like, describe Sienna in a word. And she's like.

[Michelle]

Bitch.

[Karen]

No, no, you can't say that on tv.

[Michelle]

Steak.

[Karen]

No, you can't say that. I hate her so much. No, you can't quote soap dish.

[Michelle]

This is American. American, Very American. And what about Lexi? Oh, God, she's a lot too. Do I need a different word? So they're like. But the kids are like bickering back and forth at the table about the sleepover thing. It's so funny. They're like doing that teenage thing where everything they say, they're so dramatic about, like five people. So then the Rob, the dad sits down and he's trying to be like, what's going on? What's the problem? But they just keep on pleading their case and complaining. And she like, there's no issue. But you make. You're making it an issue just by asking if there's an issue.

[Karen]

Even though I was raised in England, I was raised very much under the Nigerian principles. You're a reflection of your parents and. But living in America, we're about self expression here. Isn't it lovely? You just get to listen to them chatter, chatter, chatter. Love this country.

[Michelle]

And then Sienna turns to her little brother and she's like, why is he being gross? And the brother's like, hey. So then Dear says, teaching these children to advocate for themselves. And now they're speaking back. So they do have a voice, which is great. I absolutely love it. God, I love when children talk back to the parents.

[Karen]

Thankfully, I also have a staff that's generally tasked with listening to their voices. But I'll sit here as long as the cameras are here. Are we done?

[Michelle]

So the basically, Tia and Rob escape to go to the backyard to get away from these kids because the kids are just bickering nonstop. And he's like, yeah, let's relax a little bit. And she's like, yes. I think sometimes I just don't feel like I have enough time with everything that I have on my plate with work and my kids and my social commitments and me wanting to take a bath with a toaster oven after those children talk for three minutes straight.

[Karen]

So she says that she was a stay at home mom till her kids were in kindergarten and then she was out of there. And she is a global Real estate agent for. For Sotheby's. And I just wish they put in another clip of her saying, I enjoy the cub appeal.

[Michelle]

I know. So, you know, she's. She's telling Rob that she was really mad when she had a really long day. And then she came back and they were just all sitting there waiting for her to make dinner. And she was like, that wasn't so cool. He's like, yeah, but I wake up at 6:30 in the morning every day, and then I'm going to work. Like, you can go to wake up at six in the morning, but, like, when your work day is over, you don't then have people staring at you saying, make me deader. It's that I don't care. It's. I'm. I'm team Tia on this one.

[Karen]

And I actually like her idea here. Cause she says, you know, I think this is an opportunity. During summer holiday, one kid has to take responsibility for making a meal once a week. And then, boom, recovered. I mean, unfortunately, you have to eat your kid's food. And I know from having nieces, they make you shit off. TikTok. That's just not good. Sorry. It's just not. They're like, put pasta. Put pasta in a bowl with a block of cheese and a tomato and some garlic and some mayonnaise and then some chili pepper sauce, and then microwave it for 13 minutes. And then they sit there and they eat it like it's delicious. It's not fucking delicious. I'm sorry. It's not. It's terrible food. But they're like, you know, putting it on their phone so they're like, it's delicious. It's not.

[Michelle]

Well, Tia tells us that she and Rob parent differently. He does a lot of talking and that's American style. And they just tune him out and like, nothing happened. Whereas I go apeshit crazy. But then I see results. Because, honestly, my mom used to do the same for me. See, you know, I would. She would tell me to wash the dishes, and if I didn't, she'll get the dishes and she'll put them on my bed. Like, you have to be marginally insane so they know that you're capable of doing anything. It's like, yes, love this.

[Karen]

I do too. So he said.

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Karen]

They have to be. They have to know that you're willing to murder them. That's important, that you'll.

[Michelle]

You'll go. You'll go at any length to make sure those dishes are. I remember when I was a kid, I first. I Saw an ad for cr. For Chris Specs. The cereal is kind of like, checks, but it was, like, in. It was like, in the hexagonal form or whatever. And I saw an ad, like, in Time magazine. I was like, ah, that's my cereal. I want that cereal. And I like. To my mom, I was like, can you get Chris back? So you get Chris packs? Can you get Chris packs? Mom finally got Crispix, and I had my first bowl of Crispex. And it tasted good, but that type of cereal goes mushy, like, right away. Like, right away. And it was really mushy. So I didn't want to finish it. And I was like, I don't want to finish this. And mom was like, you have to finish it. Like, I don't. I don't like it. Mom's like, you have to eat it. And she made me carry around the Crispex in a bowl all day. Like, we went to the bank, we went to the store, and I had a little bowl of Chris Backs with me the whole day. Because my mom was like, you are finishing that Crispix. And credit to my brother, we finally came home, I saw my bowl of mushy Crispix, and he was like, here. And he poured fresh Crispix into the mushy, so it had crunch again. I was like, oh, yeah, okay. This is great. And it was solved. Yeah. You gotta make your kids do some weird shit.

[Karen]

Yeah. And as Tia puts it, well, there's one thing I can't stand in this life, and it's rude. Children. So I have a new hero. Like, so far. So far, there's a new hero in town. So then time to go shopping at sequel. Giselle and Tia go shopping. And Giselle's like, so, how are you? She's like, knocking.

[Michelle]

Naked. Knock it naked.

[Karen]

Knockout.

[Michelle]

Naked is kind of my thing. So why do you keep saying naked?

[Karen]

Why are you saying my deadline? That's my only storyline.

[Michelle]

My storyline is that I like to be naked, even though you're not going to see me naked. And I'm only going to talk about it.

[Karen]

I've only thought of you being knackered for about one minute. I'm already knackered from thinking of knackered. Please.

[Michelle]

I believe this. I believe this is the boutique where we spent a good, like, six minutes rewinding frame by frame for the storekeeper to walk by and offering help. Kristen, I think we named her, right?

[Karen]

Oh, really? I didn't even see her in this.

[Michelle]

She goes by very fast. I was like, there she is.

[Karen]

We had a whole Half an hour about her in our preview episode. So she's saying knackered, which means tired. Giselle learns, and she's like, I'm not adding that to my repertoire. So angel comes to, and they start talking, and Tia's like, oh, I haven't seen you since your lovely event. I thought yoga. Well, I mean, I was the only one in bloody yoga trousers.

[Michelle]

Your trousers were bloody? No, it's just more British slang. You have to keep up, be more international. Giselle, please.

[Karen]

But my storyline is being bloody naked. That's a disgusting storyline.

[Michelle]

Giselle.

[Karen]

She's like, but your what you were wearing. I will tell you, at that party, it was not stylish. I'm gonna say that. She's like, not. You talking about style to me, Please.

[Michelle]

I'm British, so I automatically have some sense of good style, especially for you. Just wait till the rest of the episode. Giselle.

[Karen]

So Giselle's like, yeah, you did email me once. And Tia tells us, before I was in global real estate, I was in la Celebrity Product placement. And when I moved here, there was a lot of talk about Giselle being an awful dresser. I mean, she's just not a fantastic dresser. So for shits and giggles, I thought I'd just DM her and say, babe, I can help you. So I did.

[Michelle]

I love the idea that. That, like, when I moved to Potomac, there was a lot of talk about Giselle being an awful dresser. It's like I'm just imagining a realtor saying, like, okay, you're gonna love this neighborhood. Great schools, a great mall nearby, a lot of land, low crime rate. Thing you should know is that there is someone here named Giselle. And she's an awful dresser. A lot of talk when I moved in.

[Karen]

So Giselle never read the dm, and she goes, don't slide into Giselle's dm. She's never going to read it. And she goes, unless you have a big penis. Ah, it's my other big storyline. Naked bloody penis.

[Michelle]

Oh, that's wretched. So then Wendy shows up. They all say, hi. And Giselle's like, okay, yeah, well, this group, you know, since we've been together, we haven't been having fun. And Wendy's like, yeah, we haven't. And Angel's there, and she's like, wait, so my event wasn't fun? You guys didn't have a fun at my event? They're like, no.

[Karen]

Giselle goes, no, it was not. It was not fun. A little bowl. You make a sound with a bowl. Take the Bowls and throw them in the trash can. Throw them in the trash can. And she's like, okay, well, I guess I need the definition of fun for you guys. And she's like, we are going to save it. We're going to take a trip on Captain and save the hoes. We're going to Nevis, which is an island in the Caribbean, and we're going to stay at the Four Seasons.

[Michelle]

All right, well, now you're speaking my language. So Giselle says, last time we went to New Orleans, I hosted. And that was one of the best trips we ever had. And y' all never let me host again, but somebody's in jail, so there's no one left to host. Remember me? So here we go. The true hero of this season, Giselle.

[Karen]

So Angel's never been away from her kids, and so she's going to pump and dump and, you know, they make some small talk. And Angel's not a late night person. She's not a drinker. Angel's not very promising. I'm just gonna say it. She's. She's not promising. Guys, you should never let Kieran bring on a friend. Why would you let the least entertaining person on the show bring a friend? Makes no sense.

[Michelle]

Angel stock is really declining. You know, I thought I enjoyed her first episode, but I am a little concerned about her here.

[Karen]

She seems nice, but she just, you know, you don't drink, you don't do. You don't stay up late. You know, you want to have sound bowl parties. You know, I don't know.

[Michelle]

So now they're looking at different outfits for Nevis. And Wendy is like. She's like, who shops here? A grandma. Does grandma shop here? I need to buy something for my mother. Oh, my God, she's so rude.

[Karen]

She's so fucking rude. My God.

[Michelle]

Just.

[Karen]

You're. You're here promoting some lady store.

[Michelle]

Just.

[Karen]

Just fake it and please. What we've seen you wore the past couple of episodes. I don't know why you're so judgy about it. I saw what you wore on that riverbench scene.

[Michelle]

You look crazy. So, Wendy, I hope you enjoyed the goodwill you got earlier in the episode, because it's gone.

[Karen]

Oh, geez. So now angel is saying, so how did your talk with K Go? And she's like, I think it was okay. You know, I just stated what she stated where she's coming from. I stated where I'm coming from. And I didn't really get what she's coming from because what she said I did Wasn't the betrayal. So I don't get it. And Giselle's like, well, she said that you were like, where did you get your makeup done? And he's like, oh, she stole. You said, who? Who did your makeup? Now, I know that that's a diss because I said the same thing to Giselle in her Snapchat messages. She doesn't check those either, apparently hasn't learned either.

[Michelle]

When he's like, well, but you guys are not making it sound nice, okay? Because the way I said it was, ew, disgusting. Did you do your own makeup? You should never do that again. See, that's kind of nice, constructive criticism, right? Like, this is. Here, let me do it with my accent. Let it. Do you do your own makeup? And they're like, yeah, that was good. That was good. She's like, look, I don't think that's it. Like, I think that if it does, like, it'll be from her end, but, like, it'll just be another tile in the mosaic of her not being a good friend to me.

[Karen]

So now they're talking about the Preakness situation. And Giselle's like, are you guys good? Because you guys had that little spat. And Angel's like, oh, well, she said that she didn't say chin check. And Wendy's like, but she. Wait, she said she didn't say chin check. So after that event, she told you she never said chin check, but she did say chin check. Angel's like, yeah, she did say that. So then we see K apologizing to angel for saying that she said chin check. And Giselle's like, wait a minute. So she doubled back after apologizing, and she goes, yeah, she said that. She looked back on it, and then she remembered that she didn't say it.

[Michelle]

So when she definitely said it did, did Kiara does. Maybe Kieran didn't know what chin check meant either. I don't know. But Angel's like, yeah. Like, no, she. She didn't say. She said she didn't say it. And then he was like, I'm so confused. No, not about this situation. Just why Giselle decided to wear that top with that bottom. Why did you do these things?

[Karen]

So wait, she looked back on it, and Angel's like, yeah, so now I'm confused, because I want to tell you, if she did say that, that's going to be a real problem. Just us. Like, she said it. Because I would not use that language to talk about how I address a friend. Chin check. It's basically the F word and the C word. And so Giselle's like, oh, gosh. This is where she says, don't ever think what I told you is not true. Y' all say, enough foolishness that I don't even have to make things up anymore.

[Michelle]

So Angel's like, before I got there, me and Kay spoke privately about the chin check conversation. And she told me that she didn't think that she said it. And so I believed her because she's my friend, you know, and I'm gonna believe her before anybody else. But then she tells the ladies, I don't even think about using words like that with my friend. Or as I call it, the CC words, you know? But she knows what. That she knows what happened with her. And it's so crazy that that would be the phrase she would go with. I'm just gonna put it that way.

[Karen]

Yeah. So, okay.

[Michelle]

And Wendy's like, oh, you mean her getting hit in the head? Because Angel's like, trying to, like, not say it, but say it. And Wendy's like, oh, you mean when she got hit in the head doing the fight with Candace with a bottle?

[Karen]

And he's like, what? Who was hitting the head? And then she goes, yeah, when the physical violence happened to her. Giselle's like, okay, well, next time we're together, it's the first conversation. Okay, well, now it's time. Kuna's pre Preakness brunch and Kieran's place.

[Michelle]

Great. So there's catering. Greg is there in a. Just, like. Like, trying so hard to be excited about this. And Kieran is like, well, I'm happy that Greg is here. Like, he really wanted to make it clear that he was, like, willing to support me, and I just had to, like, understand that, like, that support that, like, that from Greg, like, doesn't necessarily have to look like exactly what K wants, but, like, I had to know that, like, his intentions aren't good for me. I'm like, he. You're the hottest woman he's ever, ever dated. And he does not want to let that go just yet. That's why it's here. Yeah.

[Karen]

I don't know what Greg's doing here. So she. Her mom is also there, and so she talks about how she's having the pregame and she wants to be. This is her first black Carrie Bradshaw experience. And her mom's like, okay, you won't be Carrie Bradshaw for long because that's Mr. Big over there. And he's like, oh, hey, I'm holding it down. What the hell, man?

[Michelle]

Let's get on this peloton real quick. Karen's like, greg and my mother's relationship is, like, so funny to me because they will, like, find each other, and then they will, like, you know, make amends and they'll be fine. I'm like, I guarantee your mom internally, has not made amends and is fine. I guarantee her mom hates Greg, but she cares about her daughter enough that she's gonna just keep some of that to herself. I mean, I think she'll be vocal. She's been vocal about Greg, but I think she's like, okay, for the sake of my daughter, I will just keep that inside. But I guarantee the moment that Greg is gone, the mom is gonna be dancing on the coffee table.

[Karen]

Yeah. So Kierna is so what's her bun? Stacy comes over, and Kieran is like, oh. Even though I'm shorter than her because she's like, six foot four, I'm still the bigger person because I invited her to sit in a corner of my little dining room nook thing by an air conditioner.

[Michelle]

I let her sit at the dining room table that we crafted out of the Murphy bed we pulled out of the wall.

[Karen]

Yeah. So Stacy comes to Greg because, of course, Kieran is like, hello. But then she kind of ignores her. So Stacy goes to talk to Greg, and she's like, so are you together here with Kierna? And he's like, well, I mean, I'm back and forth between here in the house. Yeah. And she's like, yeah, I'm trying to follow the story. So you own this home with Kierna? He's like, no, no. I still have my house, and she has her house. So you live together in sin is what you're telling me? He's like, no, I just stay here because we're still dating.

[Michelle]

Entering any pageants with Arabella? I don't even understand what that means. No, I don't either. I'm just trying to make conversation. Ashley and Giselle arrive, and Giselle looks bunkers. I don't know what she is trying. What look she's trying to pull off. I don't. I. This does not speak of day at the races to me. She just has some crazy poof in her hair and some, like, floral thing. It's really one of Giselle.

[Karen]

It reminds me of. It reminds me of big business when Bette Midler is walking through the office and she goes, is that how we come dressed to the office? You look like a blood clot.

[Michelle]

Yeah, it does look Sort of like Giselle has a massive head wound.

[Karen]

So Giselle's like, okay, there are things I need to discuss. I'd like for us all to go to Nevis, the island, and have a fantastic four seasons experience while I'm naked and empty nested. So they talk about the trip.

[Michelle]

And.

[Karen]

Yeah, she's shocked that she's even invited to come to this. And so now they're gonna eat because Giselle's blood sugar is low. So Tia arrives. You know, survival. So everybody's like, oh, my God, you're pretty. No, you're pretty. No, you are pretty. You're pretty. Then outside, Michelle's talking to Greg, and she says, oh, doesn't Kieran look gorgeous today? And it's like, she always looks gorgeous. That's not the problem. And she's like, and that's why you love her, right? That's why. Because she's gorgeous. Is that why, you silly man?

[Michelle]

It's like, that's not the only reason. She also wears a mean polo shirt. So Karen is like. She's like, oh, my God, so great that you guys are over. Like, honestly, I never sit in my furniture. And as she's like, well, invite us over more then. So Wendy shows up and she's like, it's time for hoes and horses. Also, we're going to the first ladies after this. First lady of Marilyn, Dawn, Don Moore. You could say this is like, dawn less, because next we're going to dawn more. Okay, everyone. I just want to remind everyone.

[Karen]

She's like, I'm fine to attend the bunch. I just love a good, you know, nosh before the main event. My event with Dawn Moore.

[Michelle]

Don Moore is like, oh, please, please stop.

[Karen]

Can we pull out Don't A little Don less. Okay, a little don less here. Not a great week for me. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial. So angel comes over and Giselle criticizes her titties being too big. And then she's like, oh, take that out. Never mind. Everyone looked great. Everyone looked amazing, huh?

[Michelle]

So they are talking about the events around the pness and black Eyed Susan, which is an event. And. And Giselle's like, yes, I've been to black Eyed Susan before, Rob. So how did we end up here crammed around this table in your kitchen sl living room instead of at somewhere else? Is this your event or is this like the holding pen before the actual event? We're not filming, are we? And k's like, well, you know, Giselle.

[Karen]

Just has no chill. She's just like, just. Okay, okay, here we are. Let's fight things to do, things to do, places to go. Let's just wrap this up quickly. Okay, here we are. How is this your event, not Wendy's event? Go. And she's like, well, you know, there's a lot of first, better, best with Wendy. You know how that goes. And Stacy goes, what? What does that mean? I mean, as far as Alep, Arabella knows, that's just me. That's what they call me in the beauty queen world.

[Michelle]

First, better, best. I take all three places in a pageant. First, better, and best.

[Karen]

I even got those places going up against Arabella in her own class.

[Michelle]

And I mean that not just in pageantry, but anything she does in her. In her school class, I just show up and I do it better. You know, Wendy likes to be first, first, better, or best. And at the end of the day, we're going to have a great time doing getting nothing for nothing.

[Karen]

And that's all you can say for the life of the poor. And Wendy's like, I think it's awkward that there's a constant desire to have an issue with me. As you can see, there was problem. And Stacy's like, how is she being competitive in this moment? Well, Stacy, oh, you are so amazing. Stacy. Kieran is like, we're enjoying this. This is the pregame. It's fine. And when he's like, no, you have all these pre rehearsed lines that you want to say, and it just seems so odd.

[Michelle]

I mean, that's. That's actually really true because, like, you guys figured it out. Wendy had got a high profile invite. You were gonna, like, maybe you were gonna do something else. You moved it to a pre party, a pregame, and it's fine. It worked out. I don't know why Kieran has to say, oh, well, she has to be first, better, and best at everything. Like, just say, yeah, we had a conflict, but we actually talked it out and we. Then I decided I'll do something first and then she'll do something second. And we can get the best of both worlds. But it says, she just comes in hot for Wendy. And I'm like, I'm sorry, Wendy has the better ticket.

[Karen]

And also Kieran just can't decide when she wants to fight. And when she does it, like, she tells them, chin check, then she tells Angel, No, I didn't say chin check, but then she tells Angel. I did say chin check, but then she tells angel, she didn't Say, chin check. It's like she wants to get into things, but then she changes her mind. And this she just clearly came for Wendy saying, first, better, best. So obviously, you want to have an argument, but then Wendy gives it back to her, and she's like, I don't even. What are you even talking about? Why are we arguing? And she's like, wendy, this is supposed to be fun, okay? It's supposed to be a great pre game. Well, you started it. Why do you do that? I mean, stick to what you're doing.

[Michelle]

Yeah, exactly. I will say I am going to have a little bit of a reversal on Kierna later in the episode. So I just want to get everyone ready for that. There will be a small reversal. Universal. But I am, by and large, I would say I'm, like, 95 on Wendy's side on this one. So Wendy's like, you know, it seems you're speaking to my profession. It seems like it bothers you because you're insecure about yours. And I was surprised the mom did not get up and say something, because at this point, the mom is sitting on the sofa. The sofa is adjacent to this. This dining table that they're all around. And the mom is just on the sofa with, like, her hand, like, on the arm of the sofa, like, and her face is, like, perfectly between. I think it's like, Stacy and Ashley or something like that, or Stacy and Giselle. Like, the mom just poking it, like, watching from there. And I thought the moment that Wendy said that Kieran was insecure about her profession, I thought the mom was gonna jump up and get Bobby. Like, that's my daughter.

[Karen]

Well, she started it, though, Kierna did, by saying, it's your whole professor energy. Like, your whole better than everybody because you're a professional professor or whatever.

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Karen]

So Tia's like, oh, Kiana's mom was definitely making her presence known. She was kind of, like, gentle yet fierce. Like, if this goes left, I will go along with it. But nothing could be uglier today than Giselle's outfit. Let's just concentrate on that.

[Michelle]

Can I say something? Can I say something? My daughters have gone off to college. Just wants to remind everyone also to be naked. I like to be naked. I've decided the thing that gave me pause. I think it's time to have a better fight, because this, I think, will be more fun. The thing that gave me pause for cause is angel told me that when you went back to her, you told. You said you did not chin check. And that Means that I'm a liar, and I'm not a liar. So will you explain this? Chin check fight begins now.

[Karen]

So angel says, look, I'm not calling you a liar, but I've known Kieran a long time, and I don't think she would use those words to refer to me because even you guys don't think it's a big deal to me. It's overly aggressive. And Kieran is like. And you took offense to it? She goes, yes, I took offense to it. Deeply, deeply. And she goes, okay, received. And Stacy says, chin check means punch you in the chin.

[Michelle]

Which is very much like me while I was watching the show. I was like, chin check means punch you in the chin. I mean, let's be honest. I am Stacy. I mean, let's. I'm so. I'm such a Stacy.

[Karen]

Stacy's attitude is so funny to me. I mean, that's what it means. And Karen is like, okay, well, just so we're clear, I said it, and I apologize, angel, for offending you in that moment. And she goes, okay, well, I apologize if you didn't feel like I have your back. But just so you know, I always have your back. And Wendy's like, well, the energy that you had at the store is completely different than what you have now and then. She sounds like, facts, facts, facts.

[Michelle]

And we see, like, you know, at the store, angel was mad that. That Kiana was. You know, she was mad about this whole situation that Kieran said that she did say the chin check thing after all. Because Wendy. So we're back at the. At the apartment. Wendy is like, because when you. At the store, you were hurt.

[Karen]

You.

[Michelle]

We usually were like, we don't use that term. You said this. You said that. Them fighting words. You said that. Oh, you were shocked at the words. I didn't realize it was such an aggressive word. And I learned that day from her reaction. You were so angry that I almost went over to Kiana's house and laid a pile of dishes on her bed.

[Karen]

You even said that, given what Kate experienced two years ago in this group. She was. And Karen is like, oh, wow. Wow. Yes, she did say that. Da. And they're making. You know, Giselle and Wendy teaming up together is actually really funny and shows that they should always be on the team. Same team. Because they do it a couple times in this episode. And they're actually really good at it because what they're doing is not cool to this angel chick. Like, she didn't. They're making it sound like she Was shit talking her. All she said was, she better not have said chin check. Because that wasn't a cool thing to say. And now they're like, you. You were gonna come after. You were so furious at her. And then you even brought up her previous fight. I think it was completely fair for angel to say. I can't believe that someone who is just in a physical body brawl or whatever would even use that term so lightly.

[Michelle]

100. But Wendy and Giselle do not miss a beat. They don't. They also do not miss a detail ever. Which, by the way, it circles back to why the. The Wendy's scandal is so scandalous. Because she just seems. She just seems so smart that, like, she would do a better job at this fraud, you know, so. But they don't miss a beat. So now that. That they are paired up together, and they are coming at angel so fast and really turning the tables on her, and you can see angel is, like, just trying to get. Like, she's not expecting this. Angel's thinking it's gonna be, like, empowering girls, whatever. Everything will be fine. And I think the last thing that she was expecting was for Wendy to turn her. Turn this around on her. So she is now, like, treading water. She's trying to catch up. And as she says to us, like, hey, you know, it's fair if you say, oh, well, I'm in a better place now. I had a moment to think about it and process it, you know, and. And everything. But, like, instead, when. But. But Ashley's like, at the same time, though, Wendy is completely right to maintain. Like, you need to maintain the same energy because it doesn't make sense otherwise. You look fake.

[Karen]

I think they're full of. I mean, I. I like how angel stands up for herself because she finally. I mean, it takes her. It takes her forever because they won't stop talking. Right? So before we even get to her defending herself, Angel's like, okay, well, I was hurt that day. And Wendy's like, am I in the twilight zone? Like, you had a conversation. You need to have the same energy. And Kierna says, okay, angel, here's the deal. You have the right to feel however you feel. And as your friend, I'm going to give you that in good faith that I understand how this can get heightened. But whatever the chat was that y' all had, I hope that'll be the last. It's like, what are you giving attitude for? You are the one who started this chin check life.

[Michelle]

Exactly.

[Karen]

This is all you said.

[Michelle]

Check.

[Karen]

What Are you getting attitude with. With your friend? That's not cool.

[Michelle]

You started it and then you denied it, and now your friend got upset, and now you're, like, angry at your friend for talking. Talking with them about it. So Giselle's like, ooh, if K didn't check angel before this, my friends was a gym check. Okay? Because angel shut that shot right on down. That chin was like.

[Karen]

So Angel's like, okay, well, let me address the other thing. Let's talk about the energy you said that I had the other day that I haven't brought today. And they're like, oh, God, it's over now. You know, but she never got to say her thing. And she's like, it's been two days. And speaking of. Oh, and Kierna says, and speaking of, do you even like this lady? And she points at Wendy and she goes, do you even like her? Do you like this lady? Because they're all trying to make this poor angel fight for them, you know?

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Karen]

Giselle and Wendy are like, yell at Kieran. And Kieran is like, no, yell at Wendy.

[Michelle]

Yeah. So Angel's like, well, today I'm not feeling it. It's like, well, why don't you like Wendy? It's like, well, I had a great day with her. Oh, so now you don't like me, though? Well, no, I don't like this conversation because you're basically calling me fake by saying that the other day I had this energy and Karen was like, well, that's what's being fake.

[Karen]

That's.

[Michelle]

That's what being fake is. Angels. Now Kieran is turning on angel again when scared of just turned on Angel. Angel's the one in the shit.

[Karen]

Kieran the worst friend. It's. She can't. You can't even be a friend for three weeks to somebody that you brought on the show. And you're coming after Wendy, who's been pretty good to you, and it's your third year and you're just now coming to her for being fake. You've already thrown your friend under the bus in. In under, like a week of shooting time, lady. Yeah.

[Michelle]

And well, also, like, Kiera is coming for angel for being fake when angel is being. Angel's being accused of being fake because she's standing by her friend's side even though her friend said that she chin lied and said that she chin checked and then lied saying that she didn't chin check. And then now it's double back. And angel is just trying to be a good friend and be like, okay, well, I hear that, and I will. I'll stand by my friend. And everyone's like, why are you saying by your friend you're being fake? And so she is, like, getting heat for standing by Kierna. And now Kierna is gonna be like, that's what being fake is, Angel. Unless you're saying that Wendy's the one being fake.

[Karen]

But no, she's telling. No, she's telling Angel. She's like, that's what being fake is. And, I mean, I just feel bad for you. I mean, do you feel like you're being forced to eat a box of chin checks? So Giselle's like, well, I agree with Wendy. Then Angel's like, wait, but I didn't say they didn't. Oh, God. So this fight. So stupid. So Wendy's like, why are you trying to talk at me? I didn't do anything. Yes, you did, Wendy. You sat here and tried to start a fight with her and her friend. And she's like, why do you. Why. Why am I bad for trying to make clarity? But you're not mad at the person who said they would chin check you. And that's true. But you guys won't even let her talk, so how's she supposed to fight with anybody?

[Michelle]

So Angel's like, okay, let's try and use some emotional intelligence, okay? I'm like, good luck. You're on Bravo. When you. You find out things that hurt and shock you, you respond one way. And when you sleep on it, I'm not gonna have the same energy than when I found out. And that's the end of it. And Wendy's like, whoa. Well, the way you just whipped that whipped on me is crazy. That's like, wow. And I like what? Angel goes, well, wow to you, Wendy. Wow to you too. I kind of like that line, wow to you, too.

[Karen]

Wow to you, too. It's very Kieran fighting. I can see why they're friends because it's how Kieran fights too. Like in the scene with Wendy, she's like, same, same, same. Wendy, same. So Giselle's like, okay, that was fun. Let's go see the first lady of Maryland. Ah, let's get it out. Let's get it out.

[Michelle]

So Greg sort of comes over to the table. The producers are like, okay, Greg, now's your time. Okay, cue Greg. So Greg comes over with some, like, singles, and he's like, hey, ladies, do not spend this money on shoes, please. Women be shopping. Go win some money. I'm like, thank you, Greg. You. You really like your. Your enthusiasm was off the charts. I really believed you.

[Karen]

He's like, please don't buy purses. Bunch of women. Are women going to hold money in their hand and not spend it on a purse? Shut up, Craig. All right, so let's go to the Sprinter. So Wendy's like, wow. Oh, there's a pole. We should have had a stripper in here. And Angel's like, bobby told me to drop a stack on some horses. So now they're having champagne and trying to have fun. And Wendy's like, let's toast us getting together, looking gorgeous, and we're gonna have fun now. And Giselle goes, can I toast to Angel? Because angel looked very upset. Duh. Okay, we're in a different setting. Let's get this over with. Okay, we've got 10 minutes.

[Michelle]

Angel goes, I was not upset. I was mad. Which is obviously two different concepts. Oh, okay. Angel goes, but I'm fine. I appreciate the toast. I'm fine. So you were mad at Wendy. Why were you mad at Wendy?

[Karen]

Yes, I was mad at Wendy, but I'm generally also just mad. And so she's mad because she was misunderstood. And Kieran is like, I get the frustration, and sometimes building new friendships, it gets uncomfortable. But, you know, like, sometimes there's moments where you want to engage, but then you don't know people. And then sometimes it goes left. And I speak candidly. I'm aggressive. You know, I speak aggressively, and I speak honestly, but it's from a place of love. Even Wendy, when I was speaking on you, I didn't come to these ladies. And Stacy's like, that's how you came to me.

[Michelle]

Very, very mad. Well, you saw a different story. First of all, Stacey, when you came into this group, I was very excited about you, and I was telling everybody I thought you were great. Well, I think it's funny that you say that you were interested in trying to get to know me when you were constantly having events where you didn't invite me or Arabella. That was pretty shitty.

[Karen]

And she's like, yeah, she wasn't even on my list. I mean, it's honestly that. Not that deep, and I don't care. Oh, really? You're such a hypocrite. So you're mad at Wendy for not acknowledging you, but you're not mad at somebody else for not. I mean, you're Karena. Come on, man. Pick a lame.

[Michelle]

Yeah. So Stacy's like, well, look at her attitude. She's like, I don't care. Like, what is that you don't even care. Well, you can't be remiss about the interaction, so that's probably why she didn't invite her. Well, what is it about me that makes you so upset? It sounds like a personal problem. Meanwhile, everyone's, like, putting on masks. They're like, well, we can start there with the breath.

[Karen]

So Kierna spills a drink, and she's like, I need a napkin. And Kieran's like, can I have a napkin, please? And Wendy goes, let her clean you. Let her clean you off if she's your friend. And Wendy's like, if I had a cotton dress, I would wipe you dress. I mean, if Angel's really a fwend, she should use the bottom of a dress. And Giselle's like, yes, she should be using her dress to help you. So now, Wendy, that's not a reasonable.

[Michelle]

Sorry. That's not reasonable. Okay.

[Karen]

It's funny watching Wendy and Giselle team up together. It's cracking me up. Because you don't see it that often on this show.

[Michelle]

Yeah. And so. And Wendy's like, yeah, you could do it. It's like you have A friend of 20 years. A friend of 20 years. And this is the moment where I had a small reversal for Kira, because Karen, even though I am really not on Kieran's side with this fight with Wendy, like, when Wendy gets on one we've seen on the show, she does not shut up. And she just goes on and on and on, and there's like, no getting through. And she's starting up, and I just look like. Kieran goes, you know what? Mind your business. Fuck off, Wendy. Fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off. And I kind of loved it because it kind of shut Wendy up, you know, even though I'm on Wendy's side, like, we've seen for years and years when people get into a fight with Wendy, like, you just can't get through. And Kieran has come up with a pretty simple tactic, which is to say, fuck off, Holt. Just be like, fuck off. I don't want it. Fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off.

[Karen]

And Stacy's like, oh, I don't talk like that. She goes, oh, yeah, Well, I don't speak like that because I have my QVC voice on. And then I guess we're supposed to, like, not like Stacy, because she works at qvc, which seems like a weird diss for somebody working, you know. I don't know.

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Karen]

Or their boyfriend or whatever. Like, you sell beauty products. What's the Difference. She's being televised selling them.

[Michelle]

So Kieran goes, I'm tired of these hoes, especially the one sitting next to me. I'm a hoe. Oh.

[Karen]

And angel goes, oh, it's just a colloquialism. And Kieran goes, oh, it's a colloquialism? Oh, really, Angel? Now it's just a colloquialism when you were just up in arms about chin checked 10 minutes ago. It's just such a mess. It's hilarious. They're all just being hypocrites. They can't find anything to grab onto. They're just throwing it all up in the air.

[Michelle]

I like Stacey going, well, I don't want to get chin checked. And Karen goes, oh, you got it already. And Stacy goes, well, I'm sure you're the person to show me. And it was like. Ash goes, oh, no, no, that's. Let's do that. That's a traumatic thing. Oh, I hate that's been brought up to that. Okay, relax, Ashley. We can get over it now. I mean, like, yes, it was shitty. It was really shitty that happened with Kieran. But now we. We can't mention. We can't make any mention of this one fight.

[Karen]

You know, also the second time it's been brought up because her best friend was the one who brought it up first. Okay, so now it was already brought up in the group, and now you guys are acting all mortified that she would bring up that. That situation. That's so ridiculous. Give me a break.

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Karen]

And also, Ashley, didn't you write, like, character witness letters for Monique after she beat up Candace? I mean, come on.

[Michelle]

Exactly. So Ashley, like, suddenly, like, clutching her pearls and being like, Stacy's taking it way too far to bring up something like that. That was, like, traumatizing and difficult. Like, honestly, it makes me want to chin check Stacy. Well, see, you're now doing it, too. Now with you.

[Karen]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

Now it's okay. Talk about violence. Yeah.

[Karen]

Then Kieran is like, I'm done with Stacy. How dare she? Oh, my God, you guys are so ridiculous. I can't. But, you know, they're at least trying, you know?

[Michelle]

Yeah. I have to hand it to Kieran. I mean, she is, like, she's. She's not only, like, trying to do something, she's arguably been in the center of the show for the season so far, which is shocking. Her and Stacy have been so. You know, it's entertaining. I was laughing my butt off.

[Karen]

No, it's fine. All right, well, that's. It Nailed it. Killed it.

[Michelle]

Nailed it. Nailed it.

[Karen]

I'm gonna go naked and bloody in my home.

[Michelle]

Check, check. Everyone, we'll see you tonight for crappy hour. A lot to discuss. Can't wait to hear everyone's thoughts on everything. And again, that's gonna be at 5:30 on the West coast and 8:30 on the East coast on YouTube and Patreon. Nah. So thanks everyone and we'll catch you on the next one. Bye. Watch what crap. INS would like to thank its premium sponsors. Ain't no thing like Allison King it's always a party on Allison Block.

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