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Ben
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Ronnie
What? Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Grabbins, a podcast about all the things we love to talk about on Yule Bravs. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben. Hello, Ben.
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Ben
Hi, Ronnie. How's it going?
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Ronnie
Everybody? Welcome. Very special day today. It's the first episode of Bravo's Wife Swap, the Real Housewives edition. Don, Don, Don. You want to watch this on video, do it at Patreon, okay? That's where you get all our videos. Crappin's on demand. Also, we episodes over there this week. We just had a little talkie bonus. Caught up with each other's real lives and stuff. We do trailer trashes. We have one for Southern Charm where we trash a trailer. That's fun. Go over there for all that good stuff and thanks to everybody who's there. But today is Y swap. How'd you feel, Ben?
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Ben
I liked it a lot. I was really not looking forward to it. I have to say. I didn't like when I saw the announcement about the show months ago. Then when the trailer came around, I also was not enthused. And I was like, oh my God, this just be some scripted bullshit that we're gonna have to sit through. And I really was not looking forward to it. And then I watched the episode. I was like, I love it. It's so good. I really enjoyed it. It was really fun. What did you think?
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Ronnie
Yeah, I thought it was really fun too. My niece is in town, so she was watching it with me and even she was cracking up. And after she said, uncle, do you have any more screeners to watch? I was like, wow, that has never happened when a kid is like, can I get more of this? You know, she watched both Salt Lake City and this together with me and she's like, do we get more?
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Ben
Yeah, reaching, reaching. Gen Z is so impressive. Look at that. Wife Swap. Now. I. I really enjoyed this episode. I think a lot of it had to do with Angie. I think Angie's a. A really endearing lead for this sort of show because as much as Angie pops off and can once she gets activated, she just sort of doesn't shut up. She also, like, is able to display an immense amount of warmth both on Salt Lake City and on this show. And I think that, like, the warmth that she shows is really, it's really lovely. And so there was a, there was a huge amount of sweetness in this episode. And the question is, will that sweetness still be there with the likes of Melissa Gorga and Emily Simpson and Wendy Osefo? I am not sure. So I think this is a really strong one to begin with.
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Ronnie
I think you're right. I think those are, those are tall orders for warmth. All of those are tall. I think Melissa will probably come off the best compared to the others. I think that there. I think we might be in trouble with Emily Simpson. I think the. The other families may be in trouble with Wendy Oseffo and Emily Simpson, but yikes.
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Ben
Yeah, I think Melissa's actually gonna do well. I think Melissa. Melissa will. Will have a very nice episode. But yeah, the Emily Simpson. I still don't even know why they chose Emily Simpson for this show. Maybe it's because. Or anything. It must be just because Shane is just so generally unpleasant that, like, sticking some lady with Shane will be kind of funny to watch.
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Ronnie
Right? I think she probably has like a husband casting thing going on, just like Melissa Gorga does, you know, because even when they show in the previews, the Melissa Gorga thing, they're really showing Joe Gorga with a wife, you know? Yeah, that's. That's what we see in the preview. So, yeah, so we'll see. But we start in Salt. Glamorous city, Salt Lake City, Utah, at Angie's, which they make seem like this big bustling city, which Salt Lake City is not some, you know, little shithole. It's a nice city, but it's just funny how they're the big city, Salt Lake City.
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Ben
I know. So Electra is watching Angie and she's like, what are you doing? She's like, cleaning. And Sean's like, she's re. Cleaning what? I've already cleaned. Hahaha.
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Ronnie
Yeah, mom, everything was already clean. It's already clean, Mom. It's like, is it though, am I, am I ocd or am I just a person that has a gift of making things perfect?
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Ben
Well, it's a gift most of the time, except for those times when you just want to go to sleep and she's vacuuming your forehead that I don't like so much?
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Ronnie
So do you think Angie doesn't have cleaning people, or do you think she's one of those people who has cleaning people and cleans before they come and cleans after they come as well? Because they didn't do Things.
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Ben
Right? She probably does that. Yeah. I feel like Angie definitely cleans. Like, I don't think this, this was.
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Ronnie
A.
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Ben
A thing, a bit that she was doing for this show. I, I definitely get the sense that Angie is down there steaming clothes every single day. I, I think she, like, loves it.
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Ronnie
Yeah, that's her thing. So we meet the family and she tells us, it takes a lot for me to keep the house running the way it does cook. I love to keep my home perfect. I am hustling from sun up to sundown, being the bossy Greek wife that I am. Sean sometimes do things, doesn't do things the way I like. So I just get in there and I do it myself. Let's see an example of that. Sean, can you try to make your breakfast better? What? Here's how I like to do it, buddy. She's like, it's in there like she's the mom. It's like, here, let me show you a tip. Every day.
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Ben
You know it, because he's just trying to get an egg out of the pan and you know, he's like chasing it around with a spatula. She's like, here, let me show you. Lift up the pan and tilt it. And now the egg comes out. He's like, oh, wow. I didn't even think about that. That's okay. I show you every single morning.
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Ronnie
Every morning. I just wish I could get a non stick pan that actually worked like that. I was most impressed in this whole episode by that non stick pan because I've never had a pan that works like that ever.
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Ben
I'll tell you, I've had a lot.
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Ronnie
Of pounds that say they work like that, but none of them actually do. That egg just, I kept sliding right.
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Ben
The hell out of sliding, sliding. I have a ceramic pan. I finally decided to, you know, I'm trying to move away from the, the Teflon and so I, I, I've played around with some ceramic and I have to, in, you know those ceramic pans, those things go flopping all over the place. They are very non sticky. But the problem is that like the nonstick goes away much faster than on a Teflon. But someone told me that you just have to start thinking of nonstick pans kind of like as a consumable. Don't spend a lot of money on them. Get something that's cheap that you'll replace every like nine months and you just have that. You use it until it's used up and then you spend another $20 and you get another pan and that's been very helpful for me. So I say get a cheap ceramic pan.
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Ronnie
There you go.
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Ben
Information than you needed or.
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Ronnie
Yeah, that's a good. That's a good theory. You know, I actually do have a very good nonstick. It's just not as slidy in this one, you know, I mean, this one was just impressive. This was like a gold medal winner of pans. So Sean's like, yeah, you know, like sometimes she starts to give a little direction and I guess you can feel like a little micromanagement happen. Oh, Sean. Why is this show trying to convince me that Sean is one of the, like, sloppy, dumb husbands? I'm never going to believe that. No one with muscles like that. And I saw him at BravoCon a couple of years ago. I mean, when I tell you this guy is smooth as hell, I mean literally waxed from head to toe, perfectly quaffed. He had like a big Louis Vuitton bag that he was carrying around. Really tight, perfectly fit, tailored clothes. I mean, smells good, Perfect muscles. I mean, this guy's anal as hell too.
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Ben
Yeah, so. But we see Angie micromanaging Electro. She's like, go put on sunscreen. No boys in the chat. Go, go pet your horse. All right, now clean up your bed. All right, rinse it off. Okay. I see the green goop. Look out for that. She says every little thing she's on Electra for Electro's like, mother. So Sean's like, some people run on the treadmill, some people run their mouth. Well, I haven't had a facelift. It's because I. I have talked. I have to talk all day, and that's why my face is tight. Ha ha ha.
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Ronnie
So then we see her looking at some sunglasses and she's like, I've always loved fashion. It makes me feel expensive. And Electra's like, yeah, one time I saw a bell for a $12,000 dress. She goes, yeah, that was a Schiaparelli. Is that how you say that?
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Ben
I think so. Kind of stupid. It was stupid mother. Stupid chipper Ellie, more like mother.
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Ronnie
Okay, Electra, you're about to get spanked with a swipe fly swatter on your face. You're lucky you're not my daughter. I would. Wouldn't spoon you. Wouldn't spoon you on the teasy, young lady. Better watch a smart mouth.
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Ben
I feel like I'd be closer with my mom if she would just like tone it down a little bit. Oh, you mean cleaning your room every five seconds if she just stopped cleaning your room. Yeah, I'm sure, you'll be a lot closer to your mom. You just have to step over the piles of dirt you're leaving behind. Elektra.
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Ronnie
Yeah, she pushes boundaries with me a little bit. She's like, yeah, she needs to tone it down. Well, Electra tells me to chill, but she's like, mom, chill. But if I chill the F out, our lives would probably fall apart.
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Ben
I don't feel like Angie has any chill. The struggle for her is just being able to just kind of sit together and hang out as a family. For me, that's precious time. So, like, let's get back to that. So then Electra asks Angie to get some Boba. And Angie, I can't have Boba. I must do laundry. I must steam things. No time for Boba. All work, no play, makes Angie someone who wants Boba very badly.
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Ronnie
He's a God. I guess we'll wait for you to get Boba. It's like I'm doing wife swap because I don't feel like Sean and Electra appreciate me. I want them begging me back. I just want them begging me, like, groveling. I want the mother that moves in here to choke on Boba. I want her to choke on it.
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Ben
Speaking of which, now let's go over to Chalice, Idaho, where we see this dad, and he is telling his kids to rake something so that they can plant some onions. And there's dogs. And it's basically like this homestead with three sort of. They're not. They're not shabby buildings. They're just very much like home, homemade buildings.
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Ronnie
I thought it actually looked kind of nice. I was like, wow, this is actually kind of nice house for something you probably bought on Amazon and put together yourself, you know, Like, I think it looks nice. I love the green, love the siding. So we meet Lindsay, who's the mom of this family. Now, Lindsay has, like, a weird ponytail on the top of her head type thing, top knot. And she talks like Bronwyn from Salt Lake City. Did you notice she has the same exact voice as Bronwyn from Salt Lake City? It was weird to me. Like, kind of a condescending voice.
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Ben
Yeah. And there were certain, like, kind of mannerisms that reminded me of Whitney, too. But, like, that. I could not stop with that, like, looking at that top knot for some reason. It was driving me nuts. I know when we did our trailer trash of this. This show, I said it reminded me of the dog on Animal Crossing. There's, like, the dog receptionist that gives you an announcement every time you turn on the Game. It's like a little dog with a top knot. And all I see is that dog. And so it's. I just can't stop looking at the top. I was like, please get rid of the top knot.
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Ronnie
Yeah. So she's like, wow. Living off the grid. That's an ancestral way of life. And this was important to me. I'm Lindsay, and I love ancestral things. This is Tanner. He looks like MJ's husband Tommy. They're getting a divorce, which is really sad. But here he is, his onion planting glory.
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Ben
I love. I love when people say. I'm just. This is more of an ancestral way of life. I'm like, if your ancestors were alive, you know what they'd be saying? You have electricity and you're not using it. I've been out there plowing this thing with a horse for five years. It's like, I haven't. I. I take a bath and I come out, I got leeches on me.
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Ronnie
You.
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Ben
You're telling me there's a way you can take a bath without leeches and.
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Ronnie
You'Re not doing it, and you're purposely not doing it? You know what other people did in ancestral times? Not go to the dentist. You know what I mean?
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Ben
Yeah.
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Ronnie
Why?
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Ben
Yeah, exactly.
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Ronnie
You know, sometimes, like, let's stop kicking, you know, progress in the ass. And sometimes it say, thank you, progress. Thank you.
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Ben
Okay.
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Ronnie
Thank you. Fruit roll up. Thank you.
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Ben
So. Thank you. So Tanner is the dad. So Lindsay and Tanner. And Tanner's like, my name's Tanner and this is Bridger, which is funny because there's no Bridger around here, but his name is Bridger. And we also have Wyatt, and then we have Hazel.
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Ronnie
They're just going for every cowboy name they can think of. They're those people who are like, it's like, super trendy for them to be off the grid. And they're like, all we eat is, like, animal liver. You know, like the Brianna cul type of people. Like the Brianna and Ryan type, where it's like, wow, every illness comes from not eating raw livers. So that's what we're doing. We're hunting our breakfast, you know, which you know everyone. I guess my thing with Lindsay, just the way she spoke, I was like, you know what? I'll bet she ends up being more judgmental than Angie. And I was wondering at first if that was going to be true, because Angie did seem to be. I was like, oh, no, Angie, don't get snotty. Like, when she went to the house, she's like, Ew. She had kind of a lot of that reaction and I was like, oh, no, don't go down this path. It's not going to work out well.
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Ben
Yeah, but also, like, it's a crazy lifestyle to jump into. Like, she had a much harder transition than Lindsay did, so. But what I did like to hear was Tanner said that they actually had the standard American dream thing, that they bought a house. They lived in suburbia. And we see their old house and Lindsay goes, it was a nice house. We had running water, which I think is like, funny that that's like the first. Normally people say, like, we had an open concept. We had a kitchen island, we all got running water. It was a nice house.
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Ronnie
We just got sick of shiplap. But no, it's not shiplap. It's like we got sick of running water. I mean, just the noise, the automatic heat. I mean, who's eating this? Am I right? I would rather just know where the match came from. That's all.
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Ben
Society has this box that they want us in, you know, clean water, gross. And we are definitely outside of that box now. And it kind of started when I started. Was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and started going to the doctors and they just wanted to put me on a pill and I decided to eat anti inflammatory diet instead. So basically because of that, they started growing their own food. And then they ever heard of whole foods? It's called turmeric. Okay, give up running water to get a thing of turmeric, for Christ's sake.
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Ronnie
And she's like. And instantly I felt better. So we moved away from suburbia. It turns out rheumatoid arthritis came from a cul de sac. It's very dangerous, Very dangerous. You just turn around, around. Your body just knows it's not ever going anywhere. Just ran around in that circle. That hurt my elbow. So we got the hell out of there. Tell you that.
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Ben
Well, now we're here, we feel more fulfilled. I mean, the closest person is probably four miles away. Which, by the way, I feel like if you're gonna be like bragging about being remote, I feel like four miles away is like not that crazy. I feel like you have to be like 30 miles away. But like, yeah, the latest. The nearest person's like four minutes away from our house. It's crazy.
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Ronnie
I love that you're. You're judging their off grittiness. You're like, you are not off grid enough. Whatever, Whatever. Off.
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Ben
Hello. We watched like a dwell. We did a dwell. Hello. On people who Lived up a river like that, you had to access it via boat. You had to take a special boat to get like that. That.
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Ronnie
Yeah. She's like, what if my husband has a heart attack? Like, well, you better call a helicopter. How long do those take? I don't know. You have to get to the payphone from the river. So he's going to have to. It's going to have to learn how to drive with a heart attack. Drive a boat.
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Ben
I was literally like that. And now here comes Lindsay being like, our nearest neighbor is four, four to five minutes away. And then, you know, it takes us a good 30 minutes to get to town. I was like, well, that's okay. That's more, that's more annoying. But however. But we watched the Pioneer Woman.
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Ronnie
That's normal.
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Ben
We see part of your woman. Like her whole thing is. The last time I watched Premier Woman, she was like, well, today we're going to town. It's Sunday, so we have to get to town before the Baptists get there. I was like, what? Huh? That was literally what happened. She literally called out the Baptist. She was like, have to get to the store before the Baptists get out of church.
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Ronnie
That's funny. That's a true thing too. Sundays are hell in a really religious town because you can't eat anywhere. I mean, everywhere is just lines out the block, you know, because that's when everybody's out.
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Ben
I love you. Giggling. You're like, ah, cuz that's funny.
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Ronnie
That's so true. That pioneer woman, I mean, she's got her fingers on the pulse.
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Ben
Am I right? I just will always remember I saw that episode like 10 years ago. I'll just always remember the way she turned and looked at the camera.
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Ronnie
Camera.
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Ben
I was like, Baptists. I was like, really?
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Ronnie
So he's like, yeah, we're not tied to any type of power grid. We have our own solar system out here and we have a composting type of toilet.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Ronnie
We don't have any running water. Oh my God. Do you win something for this?
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Ben
I. That's. I was wondering about. It's one thing. Okay, I get it. Like, grow your own food. I totally support that. I think that's awesome. But like, is it helping the rheumatoid arthritis? They're like, have a stinky toilet.
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Ronnie
Yeah. I just, I don't, I don't know. I don't get it. You know, Like, I'm glad that everybody gets to live their own way. I just feel like every pot has a lid. Like, I wanna, I Wanna flush a toilet, you know?
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Ben
Yeah.
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Ronnie
I feel like that's one thing. You know, toilet paper took a long time to come out too. That's always what shocks me when I watch a Western. They, like, sit on a little box with a hole on top, much like this, and they poop, and then they use, like, pieces of, like, newspaper. That's what they wipe themselves with, you know, like, toilet paper didn't even come out till recently. It's some things we need to embrace.
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Ben
Yeah, I. I agree. We don't have to be ancestral about everything. So she says that they've changed their mindset to having less and having more experiences in the dirt with our kids and then. Then buying them toys. And I'm. Which I think is fine. I. I support all that, even though, like, good luck not have fun not playing Mario Kart like the rest of us.
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Ronnie
I know. Like, we decided not to give our kids a Nintendo Switch. Instead, we got them a gun to shoot their own cows for breakfast.
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Ben
Like, when instead they can enjoy the pure joy that comes from pulling a turnip out of the dirt.
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Ronnie
No.
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Ben
Which is what Mario does in Superman Brothers too, by the way. You could be doing it on your.
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Ronnie
That's ancestral for Mario. That's ancestral.
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Ben
Ancestral. I want, like, Mario live ancestral lifestyle.
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Ronnie
It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crapping commercial. So she's like, yeah, and I want to show another family that there's a different way of living, connecting to the land. And who better to teach those values than a. Than to a real housewife? I think they probably need it the most.
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Ben
The snotty. Real snotty.
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Ronnie
She's very holier than thou about her lifestyle. That's what bugs me. It's like, she's like, wow, look how not snobby. I. It's like, she's really snobby about being not snobby. Which makes her stop.
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Ben
Exactly. She's, you know, she's actually the more snobby person on this show. So the producer then asked the kids what they think Angie's gonna be like. And Bridger's like, rich and a brat. Like, why? Because rich people are like little brats. I'm like, well, you're the ones being bratty right now, Bridger.
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Ronnie
Yeah. So Tanner's like, yeah, well, what if you go to some fancy house, mom, and it's amazing, and you're gonna be like, why am I going back? Oh, no, it's a husband. Husband. He's like, why are you gonna. What if you go to this fancy house, and you're like, why would I go back to that dump? And we're all kind of wondering the same thing. But, yeah, she's the one who wanted to come to this place, so I'm sure she's gonna come back with tons of reasons why her lifestyle is the best.
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Ben
He's actually projecting onto her in that moment because he's the one who seems like he's down for this. He loves his wife and his family. He seems down for this experience, but you can tell he's really like, he loves the stuff. He gets to do this episode. He's like, oh, my God. Freedom at last. So now it's time for the swap.
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Ronnie
So, Angie, I had an actual Diet Coke. Can I just have another one? So then, to my kids, that could be ancestral. Please don't take the Diet Coke away from me.
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Ben
Electra, do you want some feta cheese? Are you not loving feta cheese anymore? Oh, my God. Electra is rejecting feta cheese. What do I do? Am I even still Greek?
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Ronnie
She's like, I've got a whole block of it in here, mother.
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Ben
Oh, sorry. And my pillow is made of feta cheese. Oh, there's that too. Sorry about that.
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Ronnie
I went to take a shower. You would replace my bar of soap with a block of feta cheese?
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Ben
That is true. That is true.
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Ronnie
Oh, good news, guys. I got a text. I'm going to Challis, Idaho.
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Ben
Woohoo.
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Ronnie
And they're like, wow, looks beautiful. She goes, does it?
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Ben
Electro's like, you'll be like a wrangler at some dude ranch, forcing fed onto all the horses. A wrangler at a dude ranch? Do you think I'd be a fit?
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Ronnie
It's like, you suck, Mom. You're gonna die. You're gonna die at a dude ranch. Oh, wow.
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Ben
That. Okay. All right. Well, you know, I've been an outdoorsman myself, but her idea of roughing it is the Four Seasons. Yeah.
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Ronnie
Yeah, mailed it. You still think I'm gay? With. With repartee like this? Do you guys still think I'm gay? Also, if you look at the kind of landscape of these two places, they're not that different, Right? I mean, all the shots we see of Salt Lake City kind of look like this other place.
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Ben
I feel like they're in the same time zone. So already, like, the show kind of failed. They feel like you have to leave the time zone.
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Ronnie
So Lindsay announces she's going to Salt Lake City. And so Tanner's like, oh, my gosh. Who do you Think it's gonna be. She goes, oh, my God. I don't know. Lisa Barlow, maybe. Ouch. A. To Angie. Cause, you know, that hurt. But also, what kind of off the grid are you, ma'? Am, that, you know, the Housewives of Salt Lake City?
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Ben
Well, she looked them up. She was on her phone and she looked them up, and she. She did, like, she read about them, and then she decided that Lisa Barlow would be the closest.
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Ronnie
You're not off the grid if you're on an iPhone looking things up.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Ronnie
How about that? So, Angie, I don't know why I'm so defensive about her being off the grid. It literally has nothing to do with me. And I'm like, don't try and take my toilet. You get your goddamn ponytail off of my iPhone.
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Ben
Because there's, like, a righteous element that she seems to have, you know, like.
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Ronnie
Oh.
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Ben
Like, they're like, Angie's automatically gonna be a brat because she's rich. And when meanwhile, the one who's more judgmental in this entire thing is Lindsay the entire time, she's way more judgy. So Angie is. She's like, okay, Electra, you can love Mrs. Chalice, but you can't love her more than me. Okay, Cuddle. Electra's like, I like Mrs. Chalice more now. Oh, man. Oh, Electra. So now they leave, and Lindsay puts herself in a backpack, and Angie has all these. These suits.
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Ronnie
And now the hat cases are really where it goes off the rails of Angie. I love that she brings a whole hat case. That was fun.
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Ben
Like a mannequin, too. Like a mannequin head. Right? So good.
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Ronnie
She brought a mannequin head. I didn't even see that.
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Ben
Didn't she have, like, a little mannequin head that had, like, that. That something on, like a wig or a hat on it or. I don't know. That was funny. But now they arrive at their new home.
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Ronnie
Yeah. And they get to arrive there without anybody else in the house, which I like. I like that they get a moment of privacy just snooping on how they live, you know? I thought that was good. Do they always do that on Wife Swap? I don't remember how the original one worked.
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Ben
I don't remember. But Lindsay is walking around Angie's house, and she's like, oh, my God, it's so perfect. What do I do? Do I take my shoes off? I gotta figure out who this is first. Is this. Is that Angie? Oh, my God. This is crazy. Like, wow. Oh, my God. I feel a little disconnected from the ancestors. There's running water. Oh, my God. They'll kill me.
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Ronnie
This place is giving scary. Like, the hills have eyes scary. Which. This is where I was starting to worry that Angie's gonna come off as a total snob, you know, because she was like, ew. Everything she saw, she was like, ew. And she's like, wow, this is old. Is this my husband or is this a piece of art? Oh, God.
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Ben
It's like a painting. She's like, is this the guy, or is this just some random art they did?
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Ronnie
Yeah, it was a picture of the guy fishing, and she counts the children, and she's like, wife looks sweet. So then back to Lindsay. She's like, oh, my God. It's just so fancy and so perfect. Oh, God. It's a floor heated. Oh, God. How does she have this nice of a bathroom? Okay. It is nice to have amenities. Oh, a bidet. A bidet. I've never used a bidet.
- [24:31]
Ben
This isn't very ancestral. The ancestors didn't use a bidet. Okay. I'll still be conscientious about the amount of water I use, though, because I'm not gonna abandon my values to live in this fancy house in a fancy world. There shall be no bidet whatsoever.
- [24:44]
Ronnie
Angie's like, I'm washing my vagina in Adele in a well that I dig myself.
- [24:51]
Ben
Angie goes into the bathroom, and it's just. Okay, instructions say, pop socket to open the toilet. And she's like, wait a second. Is there no running water here? What in the world? Oh, my God. What happens? And she flushes it. And in this sort of composting toilet, which I don't. I never really seen one. I didn't realize that when you. When you flush it, like, a trapdoor opens. It's like. It's like in, like, a Cold War movie where, like, the missile silo opens up and the missile is supposed to come out, but instead of a missile coming out, you just look down on poop.
- [25:22]
Ronnie
Yeah, it's like a poop drawer. Like, you pull out the drawer, and then your poop drops down in there or whatever, which means it's going to be covered in poop, that lid. And so I guess you have to, like, clean the lid every time you go. And I don't know, this just seems like a lot of work.
- [25:34]
Ben
Yeah. How do you keep that lid clean? That. That would. That lid was sparkling clean. They must have cleaned it up for Angie. Yeah.
- [25:42]
Ronnie
And it seems like you would have to use more toilet paper to clean up the lid to clean all the poop off the lid every time. And then how are you going to wash your hands? Like, do you guys have pink eye all the time over there? Like, I don't know. It's too much.
- [25:53]
Ben
That's a great question. Yeah.
- [25:55]
Ronnie
So she's like, yeah, one toilet and not having the running water for the toilet. That's alarming. I have a bidet and an automatic flusher, so I don't dare use the restroom for the next three days.
- [26:08]
Ben
Angie got the end of this entire show. Like, you. We've seen, like, the households, the other households, this. And Angie is the only one who got sent to an extreme household. Everyone else got sent to a normal household. Maybe they're messy or maybe there's. Who knows what? But. But this is. She doesn't have running water. Like, how is she supposed to poop? I'm sorry. Pooping in this toilet. I can't do it. I can't. The ancestors didn't get everything right.
- [26:34]
Ronnie
So then we see Lindsay going through Angie's closet, and she's just looking at all the glasses like, oh, my God, what are these? What. What does she even wear these for? I mean, I guess I could wear these dirt biking or mountain biking. I mean, God, who needs this many glasses? That just seems a little excessive. It just seems a little bit.
- [26:54]
Ben
Wow. Yeah. Sort of like your top knot, huh? Talk about an excess. So Lindsay says, okay. Oh, are there rules? Oh, wow, it's so fancy. Okay. Oh, it's a scroll. Okay.
- [27:04]
Ronnie
I don't.
- [27:04]
Ben
I don't get this. Angie's, like, really trying to commit to her scroll bit, even though I know the show.
- [27:10]
Ronnie
It's so Angie to leave, like a callback prop. So she unscrolls it, and it's really long. I mean, wow, she really wrote on this scroll. It's like tiny writing, too. I was like, damn. So this is all the rules. And, you know, she's like, welcome to my biggest treasure, my home, my family, and my grape leaves. So Angie reads her welcome thing. It's like in a journal type book. And you may have noticed that our home is unique and we live off grid. You may notice that. And Angie's like, well, I sure did notice.
- [27:42]
Ben
Yeah, I did notice that. We hit the ground running at 7am you want to be dressed and ready for your. Oh, this is Lindsay reading. She's like, okay, you want. We hit the ground running at 7am you want to be dressed and ready for your morning workout with Sean. After the gym, it's time to head to the salon. It makes me really nervous thinking that I have to get all dolled up to put myself into Angie's life, you know, because part of our journey to move off the grid was to leave this life behind of what society tells you they think is beautiful. So I'm really not down with what society tells me how I should live my life. I'm more down with me telling society how they should live their life, which is very excessive.
- [28:20]
Ronnie
So Angie's like, well, I hope you leave with the new understanding of what peace can look like. Wow. Wow. So Tanner, the husband comes home and he's in a big truck. It's like, hello, honey, I'm home. By the way, Angie is dressed crazily. We haven't mentioned. She's wearing like stiletto heels, shoulders huge, puffy, this big puffy outfit and these big sunglasses and all glam. And he's like, hey, welcome. So now she meets the kids and they're so cute and she loves Hazel and Hazel is a little star, I have to say.
- [28:54]
Ben
Hazel is great. And the kids actually take to Angie almost immediately like they are. They just, you know, for all their talk before about like, rich people are brats, they were actually just full. Like their hearts were just so big and open towards Angie. And Angie, you feel like, was really big and like really took to them like right away.
- [29:12]
Ronnie
It was cuz she hugs all the kids, you know, she's. They all love her right away. And Bridger's like, when I first saw Angie, I thought, what the heck? What's she doing out here? She's like, oh my goodness. You all give such great, great hugs. And Wyatt, I love your hair. I love it.
- [29:32]
Ben
I. For a moment I thought, oh, Angie's gonna give them all little haircuts because that's her thing. But I feel like there was some intervention. Like Tanner was like, do not touch their mullets.
- [29:41]
Ronnie
Oh, no, you can't do that. You cannot do that.
- [29:45]
Ben
Would have been great.
- [29:49]
Ronnie
All perms, like she was trying to do on this season to Heather, give her a perm because she had to practice. All the kids have curly hair when the mom comes back. So then we see Lindsay meeting Sean and Elektra, who are just super exciting. It's like, hi, I'm Sean, this is Elektra. Ok, well, nice to meet you.
- [30:10]
Ben
Electros wants nothing to do with this. She's like, it's bad enough that I went through school all day smelling like feta cheese because mom's not gonna block into my book bag and I gotta come home to this lady with a top knot. But Sean's down with it. Sean's totally fun. He's like. He seems like he's having fun with this whole experiment.
- [30:25]
Ronnie
And he goes, looks like you met the dog, Celia. Oh, and this is Faust. And she's just like, I'm sorry, we don't. We don't believe in literature. It's not very ancestral. So I appreciate it if you just keep that out. And Sean's like, wow. She definitely has, like, a granola outdoorsy kind of vibe. I think she's like a VIP at rei, which is cute. That's such a rich person thing to say, because Aria is pretty high up there.
- [30:51]
Ben
Yeah, that's like. That's a wealthy person's, like, understanding of what, like, wilderness is rei. Yeah. Lindsay's definitely someone who went to go to REI all the time. You can see it all over her.
- [31:02]
Ronnie
Yeah.
- [31:04]
Ben
She's like. So I'm sorry I sneaked around your house. Your excessive house, by the way I walked around. I love your room. I love how you are destroying your soul by using so many materials and wasting so many resources to sleep in it. So I'm just so happy. It's nicer than my whole house, but not as fulfilling. It's actually more evil than my house. Just want to put that out there. No judgment. Just want to say it.
- [31:24]
Ronnie
Wow. A teenager with a room that's better than my whole house. Good luck over here. You are going to have a terrorist on your hands. Okay, great. Glad I got here to fix you. And she gets. And Angie's like, can I get comfortable and put on some sneakers and take my heels off? And so she does. She gets comfortable. And then Lindsay is talking about how she lives in a cabin. Homestead. And Electra's like, what's a homestead?
- [31:49]
Ben
Oh, homesteading is like, oh, we're going to grow our food, have our own animals. We don't even have running water. We're just like, actually grow our children to be better than you, per se, because they're just going to understand things deeper and they'll just. You know, they're going to, like, their toys are literally parsnips. And that just makes them better people.
- [32:08]
Ronnie
Yeah, Mom's going to totally want to come home. She's going to be suckers out. You're disgusting. So then we go to day one. House rules. What did you say?
- [32:17]
Ben
I was just saying what Sean said. I have a question. Do you think that that Tanner slept on the sofa? I can't imagine that they have an extra Bedroom in their house, right?
- [32:25]
Ronnie
Oh, yeah, yeah. They're not going to make him sleep with the husbands. Oh, my God.
- [32:30]
Ben
No, but I meant like when. When he said this is the master suite. Do you think he was like, this is where we normally sleep. You stay here, I'm down the sofa. Or do you think that Angie do we even think that Angie even stayed the night? Or do you think they put her in a motel?
- [32:42]
Ronnie
I hope she had to stay the night because I feel like the problem, the only. One of the only things I didn't like about it is that they weren't together long enough. You really have to be somewhere a week or two to get the full effect. Like three days is nothing. Because that's only two days really. Right. Or one day because you can get there one day and then you leave another day. They could count those as days, you know, because it didn't look like they only spent one day together.
- [33:06]
Ben
Didn't was very, very fast. So, yeah. Tanner gives the tour of the house and he shows like, this is the heat source. There's a big wood stove, and then there's like a big jug by the sink. And he's like, this is the water.
- [33:21]
Ronnie
That you can drink.
- [33:23]
Ben
And she's like, so excited to give the little tour and everything. And she's like, oh, okay. And Tanner explains that the water, they bring it up from a spring that's in five gallon buckets as down the hill. And they do that until they have 50 gallons worth of water in there. I'm hoping everyone's really enjoying my New York accent as I say water, water, water, water, water.
- [33:45]
Ronnie
And she's like, well, I'm wondering why they made this choice for their family. This is extreme. So she's like, okay, look, I better get. My sun is on. Okay, is this all your property? And he's like, yeah. She goes, okay, so Tanner, where do I shower here? And he's like, oh, here's the tub. And it's just one of those outside tubs. It's not connected to anything. It's like in Salt Lake City when they had that scene with Jen Shaw and Heather.
- [34:10]
Ben
Exactly.
- [34:11]
Ronnie
And Whitney. Yeah, the tubs outside.
- [34:15]
Ben
It's just a tub that they have to. They just have to sit in that tub. And I think there are some footage, I don't know if it's now or if it happened already where you see, I think Tanner or Lindsay bathing and when they emerge, they have like leeches on themselves. And he's like, oh, these buggers. All these blood sucking Buggers. Oh, my God.
- [34:36]
Ronnie
Do they really?
- [34:38]
Ben
Yeah, there was, like, a scene with leeches. They had to pull leeches off his hand.
- [34:41]
Ronnie
Oh, come on.
- [34:44]
Ben
Come on, bro.
- [34:45]
Ronnie
Come on, man. I can take a lot, but that's pretty ancestral.
- [34:49]
Ben
It's ancestral, Ronnie. Do it for the ancestors.
- [34:53]
Ronnie
Call social services. So Angie's like, wait a minute. I have to shower and wash my gorgeous hair out here. And he's like, yeah, that's the only option. Hazel's like, all the kids showering in there? Yeah. Or you can go to hot springs, too. Damn it.
- [35:12]
Ben
Oh. So then they. They. They put on helmets. They get on. They gotten, like, little, like, whatever.
- [35:22]
Ronnie
Four wheelers or whatever.
- [35:23]
Ben
Four wheelers or something. And they go to another area where they have these beautiful, beautiful. I mean, it's a beautiful piece of property. I mean, it's gorgeous. It's full natures and views and vistas and rivers, and it's. It's wonderful. And so they get there, and you're like, you're a good little driver, Bridger. You're a good leader for us. Would you like some feta cheese? He's like, this is the first block you've offered me.
- [35:46]
Ronnie
Amazingly, I can pull it out right from behind your ears. Whatever you're doing to raise these children is good for the Greek community.
- [35:54]
Ben
Joseph had a magician.
- [35:58]
Ronnie
So they check this spot out, and the kids are so sweet with her. And she's like, I love being needed as a mother. Those were the best years of my life when Elektra didn't hate me. Just being around small children that want my attention feels really good.
- [36:14]
Ben
Yeah. And I think she's giving Hazel, like, a piggyback ride or something like that. It's, like, really very lovely. Yeah. Tanner's like, wow, I love how Hazel loves you already. It's like. It's like she never acts this way with Lindsay. Something about access to electricity is really doing it for her. Huh.
- [36:34]
Ronnie
And so she talks about how she has a teenager that's pulling away, so it's nice to, you know, hang out with the kids. And she's like, you. You know what that's like, right? He's like, no, there's nowhere for my kids to go. So, yeah, I would die for my kid to have an iPhone to ignore me on. But alas, we're rolling around in the mud together. Okay.
- [36:55]
Ben
So Ben Tanner tells Angie about how Lindsay has, like, rheumatoid arthritis, and that had led to their lifestyle change and everything. And Angel's, like, talking to Tanner has helped me Wrap my head around their lifestyle more. But it wouldn't hurt if there were a Prada within driving distance. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
- [37:14]
Ronnie
Look out for snakes. She's like, ha, ha. Famous last words. There are not snakes up here, are there? He's like, yeah, a fair amount. So then we cut to Lindsay, and she's like, okay, so what do I need to do? So she goes over her rules, and she's like, okay, I got it clean. So Angie's rule is deep clean. Every night, Shawn and Electra are watching TV on the couch, and she's like, oh, my God. I just don't care if my clothes are wrinkled. I mean, I'm not going to take up my electricity for this. I don't even know how to open the dishwasher.
- [37:47]
Ben
Yeah, because they do have a crazy dishwasher. You have to knock for it to open, which that is, to be fair. Like, that's crazy. I don't know why we have to rethink handles so much. Like, every electric car ever since Tesla, every electric car is trying to do something funky with handles. I mean, how many Ubers have you been in where it's like, okay, thanks for the ride. And you can't get out because you have to, like, you have to feel along the wall for, like, a groove, and you have to push the right part for a handle to pop out and to pull it. And then you don't pull. You have to yank it, and then it opens. Like, can we just have handles be handles? I think it's okay to have a handle on the dishwasher.
- [38:20]
Ronnie
I have one that you have to push the handle in to get out of the car. And it's just so annoying. It's like, no matter how many times I take my parents to dinner, still every time they're like, wait a minute. How do I get out of this?
- [38:30]
Ben
I know. Do we not everything needs to be innovated. Like, the handles in a pretty good shape. I think we can just let the handle be. Okay, I'm with Lindsay on this one. Let's be. Let's have an ancestral handle.
- [38:40]
Ronnie
On the other hand, it is nice to teach people manners to, like, knock gently to get something to open. You know, maybe the dishwasher. So maybe we'll just progress as a society with the dishwasher like that.
- [38:52]
Ben
I don't like the power the dishwasher has on me where I have to, like, knock to see if it wants to allow me to open it.
- [39:00]
Ronnie
Yeah.
- [39:00]
Ben
I call the shots around here.
- [39:02]
Ronnie
Commercials Here comes one right now. So Lindsay is doing the haul. I mean, this is beautiful, but why do you need it? I actually really feel sad for Angie. Like, cleaning her glasses is more important than sitting on the couch. And then we see that she has to. At one of her things is that she has to go spray down her glasses every night and clean them all. Collection of glasses. It made me choke.
- [39:32]
Ben
I mean, no, there's a little something to that. Like, okay, Angie's missing out on quality time because she's so busy cleaning. But what if, like, Angie loves cleaning? This is, like, her joy. Maybe she doesn't want to sit and watch whatever crap show Sean and Electra are watching. Like, sorry, she doesn't want to watch another season of. I don't know, whatever crap is on Netflix. And there sure is a lot bun.
- [39:58]
Ronnie
Heads or whatever the they're watching in there. So now it's dinner time, and they have prepared the tail of a cow. And so Lindsay's rule is eat off the land. And so Angie's like, well, bone appetite, everybody. Or shall I say tail appetite. So they start eating, and he's like, yeah, we do it the Idaho way. You know, Bone apple teeth. Okay. What a good girl. Hazel, you gonna try some too? And she's like, yum, yum, cowtail. And Angie's like, gross. She's like, so, do you guys go out for dinner much?
- [40:33]
Ben
Which is a funny thing to ask because there's, like, no restaurants anywhere in sight. It's like, well, we haven't been able to a whole lot because we have our strict. Our strict schedule of not eating out. Like, why haven't you been able to get out to eat? So Angie is. She's like, oh, okay. Well, this has a unique texture. I'm not sure how to describe it. Let me try. Disgusting. There. Oh, it turns out I described it pretty easily.
- [41:02]
Ronnie
So she loves the kids. She loves Hazel. She's. She's making a home video in the bed. And she's like, I've not had a shower. No dishwasher today. I just knocked on a wall, and a raccoon came out instead of the dishwasher. There's no washing mach. And there's no running water. I will be holding my number two. My number two.
- [41:24]
Ben
So Tanner, he's like, well, it's the next morning. He's like, well, everyone's still asleep. This is how I like to start my day. It's good to see the pink. The big pink sh. Oh, look, I'm looking out there. And because he's up on like a hillside. He looks down, he's like, there's some sort of big pink shiny thing walking around the house. That must be Angie. That's it. Angie's like in all pink.
- [41:44]
Ronnie
Watching her face, watching her face on the patio. So now they show her how to fill water up. So they have to go hike to get jugs of water. And then Lindsay is working out. She has to go do the workout. And it's like a fancy throwing the big ball workout. And she's like, yeah, my workout is hauling my five gallon waters. And the trainer's like, huh, some farm girl shit, huh? Yeah, well, get back on the bikes. No one here cares. She's like, okay, well, I'm trying to talk and do this at the same time. And the trainer's like, yeah, Angie can buy and talk at the same time, farmer lady.
- [42:20]
Ben
And by the way, before that, she's like. When she's looking at the things she has to do today and she sees that she has to get like manicure and pedicure or whatever it is, she's like, can they be more natural? I don't really get manicures. So. Being judgy once again.
- [42:34]
Ronnie
Yeah. Oh, do I skip that part? I like that.
- [42:37]
Ben
It was a. It was a minor. Like, it was like a minor moment where she was like, look, she's just being judgy about them, like not being natural enough. So Angie, meanwhile, has a haul this.
- [42:45]
Ronnie
It's fine if they're not natural, as long as they look natural.
- [42:49]
Ben
Yeah. By the way, hauling this water up that hillside, that does not look like an easy task. No, that looks like.
- [42:56]
Ronnie
No, that's why God invented pipes in around 1940, 1918. I don't know. When do they get pipes?
- [43:03]
Ben
These are good things. I don't know, 1997.
- [43:07]
Ronnie
Pipes are ancestral. They've been around long enough.
- [43:09]
Ben
Ancestral pipes. Actually, they are a little ancestral. I mean, the Romans had some sort of pipes, I believe.
- [43:15]
Ronnie
Angie, that was in the 80s.
- [43:20]
Ben
We all knew. First Debbie Gibson, then pipes. So Angie is. Now Angie has to change the toilet. This godforsaken compost toilet. And Hazel's watching with such delight, she change that toilet. And she's like, oh, my God, wait, how do I do this?
- [43:38]
Ronnie
Mommy does it. It's like, oh, God. Mommy changes the toilet. This poop is so stinky. And Hazel's literally crawling the wall. She's on a door, just cracking up at her. She's like, wow, very humbling. Okay, Hazel, one chord down and Hazel's just cracking up, which is making me laugh. So then we go to Lindsay. Okay, so, yeah, Mel has her new haircut, right? We don't see well. She didn't get it cut. She's got a style.
- [44:03]
Ben
Yeah, we kind of like, we, we, we. I think we. We breezed past it by accident. And Sean basically takes Lindsay to the salon and gives her like a little blowout, right? And her hair looks nice. She has a nice little hair. Her hair looks. He puts effort into it. It's. It's perfectly nice. And then now that we're going to do the rules change. Now the Angie and Lindsay are going to impose rules on the household. So first thing that Lindsay does, and this is the thing I hated, is that she puts her top knot back in and she goes, I'm back. Is your identity twisted up in that stupid top knot of yours? What do you mean? Your back? Can you keep your hair down for, like, what? Like, try to, like, be part of this experiment. Like, it's not gonna kill. Like, of all the things that I love how, like, the top knot is like the. Is like the non negotiable first. Like, no, it's gotta come back. It's gotta come back right away. It's not even like a glamorous thing that the top knot wasn't there, but the fact that she couldn't eat like that. Somehow having the hair up in that little bundle, that's not more ancestral, that's not more natural. It's just a top knot. Why do you have to have it up there?
- [45:08]
Ronnie
Also, I thought Sean was pretty respectful because he did her hair and he didn't do it crazy. He just, like, he took her natural hair and made it look pretty and natural. Like, he put a couple curls in it, but he just made it look natural and pretty, which is something that she would like, you know, it seemed like he went out of his way to give her something that's a shame. Like, instead of being like, oh, I'm gonna put some fancy hairstyle on this hick and see how she reacts, he was like, no, I'm gonna give her something that she'll feel comfortable with and that she'll actually like.
- [45:32]
Ben
And then she felt like he was actually sharing. I felt like he was sharing his life and. And doing a gesture to be like, well, I want to do something for you. I think this would be a nice thing. And she just kind of rejects it in that moment, says, I'm back. As if, like, somehow not having that top, not like, had destroyed her, who she was as A woman. And now she put their hair back up there. And I just thought it was like. I thought it was actually like. I thought it was like, rude.
- [45:57]
Ronnie
Stop. Not top. Not this.
- [45:59]
Ben
So mad. I was so mad.
- [46:01]
Ronnie
Well, she's glad that it's time to switch things up. And she's like, yeah, it's so important to be connected to nature. Look outside. They're in Salt Lake City. They're literally up against the mountain backdrop. It's pretty natural.
- [46:13]
Ben
All they do is ski.
- [46:14]
Ronnie
Yeah.
- [46:15]
Ben
And so like, her daughter rides horses. Yeah.
- [46:19]
Ronnie
So she's like, okay, well, we're gonna be off the grid tonight. And Electra's like, completely off the grid, like out in the house. And she goes in your backyard. Okay, so no showers. And our phones are going to be inside all night. No technology for the night. Lindsay's new rule.
- [46:35]
Ben
Like, oh, great. So then meanwhile, Tanner is like, okay, let's go to the hot springs. This is gonna be fun. I don't know how many people have worn their Louis Vuitton sandals down at the hot springs. Hahaha. That's funny. Okay, guys, since we're going to do switch to my rules, guess what we're gonna do? We're gonna go out to eat. I don't really have rules for you. I can't deep clean this house even if I tried. The closest bottle of Windex is six miles away. So instead we're just gonna go out to eat because I cannot have another meal of that cow tail again.
- [47:04]
Ronnie
I cannot deep clean this house without a tractor. So she's gonna take them out to eat, and they're like, oh my God.
- [47:10]
Ben
Woohoo.
- [47:11]
Ronnie
And why goes, wait a minute, can we get a drink? She goes, you can get any drink you want. And Bridger says, we've never, ever, ever ordered a dessert.
- [47:23]
Ben
And she goes, really? That. She goes, tanner. Tanner, what are you doing? Tanner's like, I. I can't. I. I have. I have no excuses.
- [47:35]
Ronnie
So new rule. Family dines out. So then we go to Lindsay and Sean, and she's like, we're gonna chop wood in the backyard. Like, oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah.
- [47:45]
Ben
What are you doing with that wood? You've actually just wasted wood because you've. You've chopped wood to show that you're gonna chop. Like, are you. They're not building it. Did they build a campfire?
- [47:54]
Ronnie
No. She's just like, look, I'm a badass. I can chop wood. And Sean's like, huh, Great. And so she takes Elektra's phone and Electra's like, I'm not sleeping in that tent. We can't even fit in that tent. They're like teeny tiny tents. And so then we go back to Angie and they're out to eat. Now look, one thing I think that Angie does that the mom is going to be pissed about is this because it's not just taking them out to dinner. They all get milkshakes to drink and sodas. That is like introducing children to drugs. That is like, here is your first line of heroin, you know, or your first injection of heroin, your first line of coke, whatever it is.
- [48:32]
Ben
Like, here it is, kids.
- [48:34]
Ronnie
And the mom is not gonna ever recover from this.
- [48:37]
Ben
But you know what? Well, first of all, the mom controls their access, so they're just gonna, like, she will provide rehab, etc, she'll probably also scare them. Like, well, now your body's gonna go to. So yeah, I gotta grow three more turnips today. But. But this is, I think, also one of the sacred rituals of child rearing, which is that you pretend like you're going to deprive your children of screens. That's the whole thing. Like, no, we're not gonna have a tv. We don't want our children to grow up with screens. We want them to, like, read books. And they're not going to read. No, no screens. No screen time for them. We just keep them away from screens. And then congratulations, they go off to school and they come back and they're like, can we watch SpongeBob? Yeah, they've all seen it where Ms. Jessica. Like, they, they. The screens happen. The screens happen. And so do milkshakes. Guys, you can't block off all the ancestral goodness. I mean, non ancestral. And the ancestors would have had. Let me tell you something. If the ancestors had access to milkshakes, I'm telling you right now, they would have for sure had lots of milkshakes.
- [49:40]
Ronnie
Yeah, lots more flushing toilets too, because of the poopers that they're going to get. So Angie's like, this grid life, this off grid life is extreme. But the tomatoes will still be there, the compost toilet will still be there tomorrow. None of this is going away. So I think it's important for Tanner to get out, get off the property and have some new experiences. So they love this, you know, they're like, this is fucking amazing. And she's like, okay, guys, is this good? And Tanner's like, wait a minute. Are you guys good if we go dance? Go. If we go on a date? Because she's like, you better get Nana we're going out tonight. And they're like, wait a minute, dad. You're going out with her? You're cheating on Mom? You're married, dad.
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Ben
You know, I didn't hear that. You better get Nana Parks. I was wondering who was looking after those kids. So that makes a lot more sense.
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Ronnie
Yeah, they're all like, whoa, whoa, whoa. You barely even know her. I won't. Don't worry.
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Ben
I won't be cheating on mom. I'm just gonna be doing some ancestor approved dancing. That's allowed, right? So then Lindsay decides to gut a fish. She decides that she's gonna gut a red snapper in front of everyone that.
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Ronnie
She bought from the grocery store, which is even more hilarious.
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Ben
Fish that out of the Great Salt Lake?
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Ronnie
No. Have you gutted a fish? She's like, okay, here's how you do it. And they're just like, oh, gross. You know, so grab it, cut it, slit it, pull out the guts, and they don't do it. So meanwhile, Mary comes over, and Mary comes out and sees this, and she's like, laughed.
- [51:17]
Ben
When Mary showed up, just as she pulled the guts out of the fish, I was like, these producers are so diabolical.
- [51:23]
Ronnie
It was so funny. She's like, oh, my God, what is she doing? Is she skinning a chicken?
- [51:30]
Ben
It's like, it's a red snapper. You don't like red snapper? She's like, oh, I love red snapper, but no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah.
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Ronnie
I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's what we're doing. That's what we're doing. So, yeah, we're getting a fish. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And she goes, are you gonna come for dinner? She goes, mm, mm, no. She goes, okay, well, you're getting the next one. You don't like red snapper? Not like that. Well, what happens if you have to do it yourself, though? She's like, I just pray to God that I don't ever have to do that. Is Angie doing this? Is that what Angie's doing where she is?
- [52:02]
Ben
Well, we hunt for food. We have no running water, so it's fun. We love doing it. Mary's like, I think we need to go rescue Angie.
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Ronnie
So she checks in with Elektra and asks her if she's okay. And Elektra's like, my dad's enjoying this off grid day. I don't know why. God. Disgusting.
- [52:21]
Ben
But it is kind of funny. This, like, the Eletra is like, having such a Hard time when it's been, like, two hours and you're just in your backyard and it's gonna be, like, one overnight, you know? Like, it's not like she. Like, her. Your mom is the one who's really going through an Electra, not you.
- [52:34]
Ronnie
Yeah. So Angie's in love with Hazel. So we go back to there because she's doing Hazel's hair and doing her glam, and she's like. She loves girly things, unlike Elektra. So then Lindsay is asking about her kids. She's like, how do you think they're doing? And Sean's like, well, oh, no. She's asking about Angie and Tanner. I keep thinking Tanner is one of the kids. So Sean's like, well, that's the question that's been on my mind for several hours. You know the other question? How's Meredith Marks doing? I love her icon.
- [53:07]
Ben
She goes, you know, did you get a chance to read the letter, by the way? He's like, the letter? You should read it. You know, this. The. The scroll. Because there's a part where she mentioned all the work it takes into going into this house and sometimes not being seen and appreciated. And then I added a part that said, you wasteful pig. It was funny. I laughed. Yeah.
- [53:28]
Ronnie
So maybe she feels like she goes and goes all day, and there's things she does for the family out of love and, you know, because isn't that what we do as wife and mothers? And he's like, huh? Yeah. It just seems like, you know, it just. It's just so exhausting, Sean. And he's like, well, you've opened up my eyes. Maybe. I. You know, I think her nagging imperfectionism comes from a good place. Maybe I just need to let her know that I appreciate her more. Like, isn't. Hasn't that been the plot for three years, Sean? You didn't need this lady with the top pony to tell you this. Get on it.
- [54:04]
Ben
So in Idaho, new rule. Adults. Adults go back on the grid. So Angie and Tanner go to a bar for drinks and dancing, and Tanner's like. He's like, wow. Angie's the fanciest thing to walk into that place in a long time because Angie's now wearing, like, a. Kind of like a.
- [54:20]
Ronnie
Like, auntie's dress, mainly, by the way, like, cowboy outfit. Her version of what a cowboy would look like. But it's. It's crazy. You know, it's like a costume.
- [54:30]
Ben
Yeah, yeah. Just not one of those people said, is that a gavon boot? It's kind of a waste of money, honestly.
- [54:37]
Ronnie
Wow.
- [54:38]
Ben
I've learned about the real things in life. I could have gone to Walmart and I didn't. Oh, well. Her lesson is that no one cared about her Givenchy boots, the rural Idaho bar.
- [54:52]
Ronnie
She's like, well, I. We need to let our hair down, Tanner. And I say that with respect because Tanner has no hair. And he's like, yeah, well, when you live where. Where we live, you almost forget what city life is. Life in milkshakes and french fries. Oh, God. In parts of the cow that aren't near its.
- [55:10]
Ben
Is this. Is this city life for you? Just wanna do a level set. He's like, man, those cities with all the stop signs and the three stores in them. Gosh, I forget what it's like out here.
- [55:23]
Ronnie
So then they go back in Utah. The producer is asking them where they slept, and they were like, that. We went inside. Okay, we made it till 1245.
- [55:33]
Ben
Well, I guess. I guess, you know, I can't. You know, I didn't like that, Lindsay. Well, I don't know. I. I still. I'm still angry at Lindsay about the top. Not because I was also gonna be like, well, it's not fair to be angry at Lindsay for rejecting. But then they rejected Lindsay's thing. But the thing is that they had a tiny tent. And I think Sean would have stayed out there if the tent had been, like, bigger and it probably had not been stiflingly hot, but it just didn't.
- [55:56]
Ronnie
Yeah, they should have stayed in the tent. I think they should have stayed in the tent. I mean, how hard is that? I did that as kids. We would go sleep in the backyard in tents and stuff.
- [56:04]
Ben
Yeah. But there was no padding. They didn't put. They didn't do any padding to make it comfortable.
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Ronnie
So they've often.
- [56:10]
Ben
I would like them to have done it, but they didn't.
- [56:12]
Ronnie
Yeah, they didn't do it. So then let's see. Angie's like, wow, I want to give you a little present so you can remember me. These are sunglasses with the Greek flag on them. They're like, wow, what's Greek? And she's like, they look so cool on you. You guys look so cute. And so they love them. You know, kids love a gift.
- [56:33]
Ben
They're like, could we get a Nintendo? Now this is cute. Can we get a Nintendo? No, just Greek glasses. Lindsay does something I think is good. I. I like that she brings in a. A garden bed. And they. They plan to make a little garden. I think that was sweet. I like that this was a good. A good moment for Lindsay.
- [56:50]
Ronnie
Well, I feel like Angie probably already eats a lot of organic food, don't you? Every time we see her making something, it's a salad.
- [56:58]
Ben
Yeah. But, you know, that house is, like, famously very sterile and, like, all hard angles and just white, and so it's sort of nice to have a garden bed in the back that you just grow something. It's cute. I like it.
- [57:07]
Ronnie
Yeah.
- [57:07]
Ben
So it is appropriate that, like, the. The girl with the animal crossing hair then, like, also built a garden for them. Like, she's pretty much just living animal crossing.
- [57:16]
Ronnie
Yeah. So then Electra's like, I mean, I'd be okay to do this when I. When it's 65 degrees, not when it's 94 degrees. But she does help her. And by the end, she liked doing it.
- [57:27]
Ben
And, like, they, like, squeeze out the tiniest bit of growth from Electra because she's like, electra, where do you want to put the oregano? There. Where do you want to put tomatoes? There. Are you having a fun time?
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Ronnie
Yeah.
- [57:39]
Ben
Oh, my God.
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Ronnie
Aren't you proud of yourself? Are you proud of yourself? I mean, you were. I was just so surprised how disconnected they are from nature. I mean, people who go to grocery stores. Disgusting. I mean, they have a huge house and a tiny patch of green in the back, and now that they have this garden, maybe they can spend more time out there in that little box, walking back and forth, asking Elektra where she wants to put tomatoes.
- [58:02]
Ben
So Lindsay's like, so, are you proud of yourself? Yeah, I guess. Maybe not as proud as when I won all those awards with the horse, but I guess putting oregano in the corner is pretty cool, too. So thanks.
- [58:16]
Ronnie
Yeah. So they had fun. Angie had fun. And she's really gonna miss Hazel. And so she's crying, and she's like, oh, my God, I didn't know. And also, she's sitting there without makeup, without her hair done. You know, you see, like, the. The raw, natural Angie, and she's like, you know, showing up in my heels and my mini skirt and looking all high body count. And the kids are probably like, oh, gosh.
- [58:39]
Ben
She just throws that in there. During her, like, emotional scene, the kids.
- [58:42]
Ronnie
Are like, oh, gosh, who is this lady? But then seeing how hard they work to just make poop go away, I'm leaving a better person than when I came. And so she cries, and she's like, I'm not even worried about my face. Look at me. What if you can See the wrinkles under my eyes? Who cares? I'm Angie Katsanevas, and my eyebrows are thinner than anybody knew. And I'm fine with it.
- [59:08]
Ben
I'm living ancestrally. Wait a second. This isn't Greece. So she gives them this sweet hug, and she's like, you guys are the most amazing family. I learned a lot from you guys. Oh, you just think your way is the right way. And I learned this weekend that there is no right way. Just whatever works for your family. And, like, we learned a lot from you, too. Any chance you can drop us off at the milkshake place? By the way out.
- [59:31]
Ronnie
Can you leave us a hundi? Thank you. And Tanner's like, yeah, we hardly know each other, but, God, she's so open to thoughts and feelings, and sometimes it's all anyone really needs. I hope my wife learns that. And Angie's waving out like, love you. And Tanner's like, love you. Bye. And Bridget says, goes, dad, how dare you say I love you, dad, what.
- [59:54]
Ben
Happened at that bar last night? He's like, I'm not gonna lie, son. It's the most fun I've had in nine years. And all I did was dance. So now Lindsay is. She's giving. She. She's saying goodbye to Sean. She's like, well, I know Electra's at school, so give her a big hug for me and tell her bye. And just ask her again if she feels proud of herself for that oregano. Because that was a big moment, you have to admit.
- [60:15]
Ronnie
Right? Tell her, thanks so much for the note I got in my. In my wallet this morning. I opened it and said, you, lady, get out of my house. Was really, really sweet that she wrote that herself. She didn't type it, so.
- [60:29]
Ben
So then Angie comes in, and it's like, oh, my God, I love your kids. And Lindsay's like, oh, my God, I love your daughter. Theoretically, she's so. She's so potentially very amazing. And Sean seems like he would be nice if he wouldn't stop trying to. To take over my hair. So, yeah, feel the same way about your family.
- [60:47]
Ronnie
And she sees the tents, and she's like, have we moved outside? And so she's like, is this my new primary? So she sends Sean out to grab her suitcases, which I loved. She's like, I'm back. Get my suitcases. So she talks about how that felt, like, forever, and she really sees how much. How hard Lindsay works and, you know, how much effort she puts into it. And Lindsay's like, yeah, you know, that's like the dream we want. Because all this other stuff, that was just distractions for us.
- [61:21]
Ben
Yeah, well, your lifestyle is really humbling. And then I thought when I pulled up, like, oh, these guys, this. These kids have to take a bath outside. And then I felt so bad for being judgy. And then when I saw you guys have everything, it was beautiful. Now what do you want to cry about? About how you were judgmental about us. Huh? Your turn.
- [61:38]
Ronnie
She's like, yeah, I'm really glad you saw that. Okay, well, I thought I'd be laying poolside and drinking margaritas or something. And then here I get here, and there's cameras everywhere. I have to be on all the time cleaning sunglasses for three hours. So, yeah, I thought that would be easy. But sunglasses have a lot of crevices that people don't understand. And she's like, yeah, but I just want to connect more as a family. She goes, because that's what most important. Yeah, that's most important. So it's strange to have you. You have to go so far away from your life to see daughter doesn't want to speak to you.
- [62:11]
Ben
I know. I. I know, I know. Why is that? Is that hilarious? Oh, God. So I'm. I'm so happy for everything that you learned from my family and how little I learned from your family. Yes. I needed to have this experience, so thank you. And she talks about how. Angie talks about how this is, like, a wonderful experience and so many great memories. And Electra's growing up fast. She wants to spend more time with her. She just wants to focus on her family, and she's never gonna forget. Forget the flakes.
- [62:39]
Ronnie
Yeah. So Lindsay is like, well, being off the grid's not easy. I wanted to cry too, but I did it, and, you know, I realized I was able to show another family a different way of living, to bring happiness into their life. So, see, this is what bugs me about Lindsay. Angie is like, wow, I learned so much from this family. They're so great. And Lindsay's like, I'm so glad they could learn from me.
- [62:58]
Ben
Yeah, exactly. Such a nice. What did you learn? Did you not learn anything? Nothing.
- [63:04]
Ronnie
Yeah, so I thought that was interesting that she came out more of an at the end, but at the end, it was still a nice show, you know?
- [63:10]
Ben
Yeah. And actually, by the way, Lindsay was by and large, very sweet, but she was quietly judgmental, and she did not learn anything from the experience. In fact, they give an update, and they say, one month later, Lindsay has never been more sure about her Life on the grid. But every now and then, she thinks about Angie's bidet, which is basically like they just couldn't find anything to say about her because, you know, she never even used that bidet. That's wasting water.
- [63:35]
Ronnie
Yeah. Well, that brings us to the end of Wife of Swap. Next week, I believe, is the Melissa Gorga episode. Yep. We'll be here for that.
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Ben
That goes.
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Ronnie
And we'll be back tomorrow with some Real Housewives of Orange County. Thanks so much for being with us, everybody.
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