#3062 RHOP S10E05 Part 2: Nevis and Buttheads

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #3062: RHOP S10E05 Part 2 "Nevis and Buttheads" (November 3, 2025)

Episode Theme Overview

Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam return for the second part of their laugh-out-loud RHOP (Real Housewives of Potomac) trip recap, as the cast navigates drama, passive-aggressive friendship dynamics, rumors, and emotional processing during their vacation in Nevis. The episode is classic Crappens—full of sharp wit, Bravo love, and riotous impressions, especially as Ben and Ronnie break down the Housewives' feuds, cringe-worthy moments, and ongoing efforts to stir up drama for the cameras.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Alexander Hamilton Excursion

[03:54–07:31]

• The housewives visit Alexander Hamilton’s house, leading to musical jokes and historical inaccuracies, especially riffing on "Hamilton" the musical.
  • Ben: "He used to stand in front of it going, 'I'm Alexander Hamilton...'" [03:54]
• Giselle takes on an oddly serious tone about learning local history, which Ben and Ronnie find hilarious and inconsistent with her usual interests.
• Tour guide Kenny sings "Like Wale Wally," and everyone (shockingly!) gets into it.
• Wendy makes a passive-aggressive comparison between the Hamilton–Burr rivalry and the fractured friendships in the group.
  • Wendy: "Yeah, that tough oneship thaw. People think you’re friends, and then they really hate you and stab you in the back." [06:24]

2. Friendship Tensions and Emotional "Processing"

[07:33–11:46]

• Tia questions Angel about her ongoing emotional reactions, which the hosts and group tease her for.
  • Ronnie as Tom: "You're still processing?" [07:53]
• Angel asserts her status as "OG WAG," triggering jokes about her need for validation and the pecking order among wives/girlfriends of athletes.
  • Ben: "She's acting like she deserves a prize for having basic interest in people in her social circle." [10:29]
• Ongoing confusion as to when Angel is actually happy or annoyed—a running gag both in the show and the hosts’ commentary.
  • Angel: "When you act annoyed, you’re happy, but when you’re happy, you’re actually annoyed." [13:40]

3. Lunch Vanities: Group Names & Sass

[13:59–15:25]

• The group divides into "Curly Girl Collective" and "Pussy Pink Palace," with much mockery about the seriousness with which they adopt these designations.
  • Wendy: "We have our curly hair moisturized and emulated. Such a shame we got robbed last night." [14:18]
  • Giselle: "We know how to party. We’re not in our feelings." [14:50]
• Discussion of Giselle’s relationship leads to light interrogation and playful ribbing about her new man, Sean Springs.
  • Wendy: "Is Sean Springs a comfortable shoe?" [16:31]
  • Giselle: “He’s comfortable! That’s all I’ll say about that.” [16:53]
• Ronnie: "If she says 'wag' one more time...please stop saying wag, it's driving me nuts." [17:18]

4. Marriage Talk & Cultural Differences

[19:21–21:55]

• Tia recounts meeting her American husband in London with a story the hosts deem suspiciously “meet cute” compared to their own experiences.
  • Ronnie: “Why doesn't shit like that ever happen to me when I'm shopping?” [19:38]
• Tia discusses navigating Nigerian versus American parenting and how respect is expressed differently, illustrated by a humorous clip: her daughter calls her "bro."
  • Tia: “No, I'm not bro. I am mummy." [21:32]

5. Shopping, Sick Days, and Sex Texts

[22:11–25:10]

• On the way to the market, the bus’s stripper pole becomes a focus—naturally.
• At Artisan Village, Angel (fresh off her husband sending $5K) draws ridicule for “flex shopping” at the flea market.
  • Wendy: “What are you buying from the flea market with $5,000?” [22:36]
• The group encourages Stacy to send her husband a “sex” text; the dry reply, “I think you have the wrong number,” kicks off speculation about her marriage.
  • Ben: “Very obviously just a dry joke...and they're all clutching their pearls.” [25:09]

6. Gossip Escalation & Gift Card “Charity”

[25:32–26:50]

• Ashley immediately stirs drama by telling Giselle about the "wrong number" text, planning further mischief around what it “means” for Stacy’s relationship.
  • Ashley: "We’re getting gift cards to throw at our head…for Stacy’s head because she is a disaster." [25:37]
• Cheeky gift card “fundraisers” and snark about marital crises abound.

7. Dinner Showdown: Passive Aggression & Old Grudges

[28:44–37:39]

• At dinner, Angel braces for conflict and invites anyone to “fight,” leading to eye rolls and sarcasm.
  • Ben: "You don’t get an award for finally preparing yourself for an ambush." [29:05]
• The absence of Wendy at dinner gives space for Kieran to address feeling excluded and Jassy to bring up past slights and rumors of infidelity.
  • Jassy: "You lied and said my man had two children on me, which he didn’t." [34:05]
• Apologies are given—but only grudgingly and with serious caveats. Ben and Ronnie point out how everyone tries to inflate drama, but the fights are baseless and unmemorable.
  • Ronnie: "Earn your fights. They have to be earned." [37:39]

8. Conclusion: Is Potomac’s Drama Forced This Season?

[37:39–38:13]

• The hosts note that most conflicts seem forced, but the cast's charisma makes the episode fun regardless.
  • Ben: "It’s deeply entertaining to watch. It’s funny and, like, you don’t need that conflict."
• Anticipation for Karen’s return is high, with speculation on how it will affect group chemistry.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ronnie (on Angel’s “OG WAG” energy): “Lady, I'm not here to make so much effort until you approve of it. It’s just a weird level that she sets for everybody.” [11:01]
• Ben (mocking meet cutes): “I don't get anything. I get, ‘Will you move out of my way?’” [19:46]
• Tia (on Anglo-Nigerian cultural divides): “You should have seen the way my mother fainted. My aunt fainted on top of my mother, then my dad tripped over them. And then everyone fainted because my dad tripped.” [20:36]
• Ashley (on group dynamics): "We actually care about ourselves in this group. That's why we are bad bitches of the pussy Pink Palace." [19:12]
• Stacy’s husband’s text: "I think you have the wrong number." [24:47]
• Ronnie: “Sometimes I think Housewives would be okay if they just have fun and have funny scenes…constantly forcing themselves to fight just kills the show.” [37:17]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Alexander Hamilton/Musical Jokes: 03:54–07:31
• Angel’s Emotional Processing & OG WAG Drama: 07:33–11:46
• Curly Girl Collective & Pussy Pink Palace (Lunch): 13:59–15:25
• Tia’s Cultural Anecdotes: 19:21–21:55
• Artisan Village, Sex Texts & Shopping: 22:11–25:10
• Gift Card Gags: 25:32–26:50
• Dinner Showdown: 28:44–37:39
• Wrap-up & Reflections: 37:39–38:13

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Final Thoughts

Ben and Ronnie balance sharp takes and Bravo-fan affection, hilariously skewering forced drama while still finding the joy in Potomac’s cast interactions. The episode highlights the increasingly manufactured nature of some Housewives fights while celebrating the charisma and pure entertainment value these women bring—even when the conflict is paper-thin.

"Earn your fights. They have to be earned. We don't care about seeing you fight with somebody you barely even know." – Ronnie [37:39]

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For the full shade, impersonations, and detailed Housewives breakdowns, listen to the episode!

Transcript

[Tom]

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[Brandi]

But we thought, why did the Miami girls get to have all the fun? So we're putting the C in SLC and seeing what it'd be like if our favorites from Utah went on the same boat.

[Tom]

Today we're joining Lisa and Angie from the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City as they indulge in one of our world class restaurants. With Virgin Voyages, you'll experience the same delicious food and good times that these housewives are about to enjoy.

[Brandi]

Remember, the cruises are all included, so there's no need to worry about hidden fees or surprise charges. Now let's see what Lisa and Angie are up to.

[Tom]

Oh my God. This restaurant is amazing. I absolutely love the food here.

[Server]

May I take your order?

[Tom]

Yeah, I'll have some.

[Brandi]

So how could you order soup? That is so rude of you. At least be Greek. Soup.

[Tom]

No, I said so.

[Brandi]

Soup? Are you talking about soup, man? I don't even know any soup, man. Why are you bringing soup into this?

[Tom]

I said so.

[Brandi]

Why are you being like this? I thought we settled everything, Lisa. I just want to have a lovely appetizer in this delicious restaurant.

[Tom]

I am so sick of being accused.

[Brandi]

Of things I was trying to do is honest. So a lot here. Lisa, I brought back all the soup bowls you gave me. Since we are obviously not friends anymore, they're in a crate for you to take home.

[Tom]

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[Brandi]

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[Brandi]

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[Tom]

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[Brandi]

Hi everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that, let's get right back into the episode.

[Tom]

So they go to see Alexander Hamilton's house and we all know it was his house because he used to stand in front of it going, I'm Alexander Hamilton. I'm Alexander Hamilton. I'm Alexander Hamilton. I'm Alexander Hamilton. Alexander Hamilton. That's what I remember from that musical.

[Brandi]

We are literally going to the.

[Tom]

What's your name? What is that? What's your name? Hey, who's this musical about, guys? I'm Alexander Hamilton. I'm Alexander Hamilton. It's like, oh my God. 67 toothpicks. Jesus. Let it go, buddy. Okay, get a name tag.

[Brandi]

Well, what's also hilarious is Giselle announces anywhere you go under the sun is important to not just visit the place. You have to learn about that place. I'm like, well, when did you guys start doing this? Giselle acting like she is like interested in going on an architectural tour of any place they've ever gone to. What? She just say this because she arranged this. So they, they, yes, they're going to go. They meet Kenny, their tour guy who's going to drive them to the Alexander Hamilton house. And Kenny is like, by the way, I am going to now give you the official welcome in a song. They're like what? And he starts, like, playing, like, some karaoke music for a song that he has. And he's singing along the song called Like Wale Wally. And it's. It's actually not a bad song. Like, he does a pretty good job. He sings the song, and they're all singing along to it. And then they arrive at the Olsen Hamilton house.

[Tom]

Wendy's like, kenny, are you taking internships? Ashley, you should sign up. And she tells us, when I think about the voice I want to hear singing Ro Flack. I think about his voice, not Ashley Dobby.

[Brandi]

Yes, that's fair. So.

[Tom]

And then we see the. We see the text on the screen, which are so funny. The tweets on the screen. The other Juicy said, the irony of her singing the song, killing the mood softly and all about the tea. Real Housewives of Potomac star Ashley Darby admits she didn't do Roberta Flack justice. And then another tweet. Baby, get Darby off that damn stage. And then the last one, lock her up next to Karen.

[Brandi]

So they arrive at the Alexander Hamilton house, and the tour guide gives them fans and talks about Alexander Hamilton. And they walk around the room where it happened. And Wendy is like, wow. You know, that's how some friendships are, you know, because. Because then. Because then the. The Jillian mentions that Hamilton died in a duel against Aaron Burr because Aaron Burr hated. Hated Hamilton more than he did or that more than Hamilton hated him.

[Tom]

Yeah, it was supposed to be a friendly duel. And Wendy's like, yeah, that tough ones ship thaw. People think you're your friends, and then they really hate you and they'll stab you in the back and shoot you in the face and kill you dead when you thought they were your friend. And Kieran is just nodding and she's like, yeah, that girl needs to stop being passive aggressive because some friends will piss on you and tell you it's rain, but here we are. And those are friends who watch Judge Judy, but here we are. Either speak on it or don't speak about it.

[Brandi]

I love an Alexander Hamilton. Passive aggressive Kierna. I guess Kieran is the. Is the Aaron Burr in this situation.

[Tom]

I guess she's like, wendy's really gonna get her shot. So then we get some more Alexander Hamilton history, which is great, I guess. And then they're trying to figure out Wendy, what, you know, what his background is. And Wendy's like, well, I think it was like, I don't want to say Creole, but I thought he had something. And Giselle's like, he was black in my Mind. He's black in my mind. And Jazzy says, yeah, his mom's from St. Croix. And Tia's like, even if there's something.

[Ashley]

Two drops, we'll claim him. We'll claim him.

[Brandi]

We'll take him.

[Tia]

We love a good musical man. So Tio's like, by the way, I was going to ask you, angel, how are you feeling today? Because I heard you were crying, and I wanted to reprimand you for not getting over it yet.

[Brandi]

And Angel's like, well, I'm still processing it all, but I'm feeling good. Today's a new day. I'm like, you're still processing? Still.

[Tom]

You're still processing?

[Brandi]

Come on.

[Tom]

Oh, my God.

[Brandi]

You're at the Alexander house. And Tia put a smile on your face.

[Ashley]

Tia's like, well, you've also just had a baby, you know, I mean, we've all had babies.

[Tom]

And Jazzy's like, yeah, but I mean, even at the table, though, you said you were thinking it, Tia. And so we see a flashback to Giselle saying, you know, you, friend, put your head down yesterday when we were talking about the catfish of it all.

[Ashley]

And she's like, well, I've thought it, but would I have said it?

[Tom]

I mean, that's where Giselle steps in, which I think what she's saying is, sure, I noticed her filters were crazy, but who the fuck says that to somebody, right? And now they're acting like she was saying mean things about angel as well.

[Brandi]

Yeah. And he has angel, but she wasn't.

[Tia]

I just would have. I wouldn't have adjusted in that way. I would have pulled it to the side. Of course, it would have. Taking about 15 minutes because I would have pulled all sorts of wrong people because it was a different face. So I understandably, would have been confused.

[Ashley]

Are you Angel?

[Tia]

Are you Angel? Are you Angel? Oh, you're the angel. Yes. Your face is wrong on the. On the filters.

[Tom]

So then Ashley facetimes her sons, and.

[Ashley]

She'S like, oh, my gosh, look, I'm in Hammer, Alexander Hamilton's house.

[Tom]

And Dean's like, can I see it? I would love to see the hum of Alexander Hamilton. I'm just over here sucking on lolly, and it would be great to see. Hold on a second. Let me get my little brother's bare feet on the kitchen encounter and. All right, let's have a look. See, shall we?

[Brandi]

Will there be a rendition of my favorite song, the Kitchen island, where it happens? No. Okay. It's all right.

[Tom]

Oh, hold on. I've just stepped On a fork. Wow. Wow. Mommy, please come home.

[Ashley]

Dean is so into music, and my nanny plays Broadway musicals, so he's really into Hamilton.

[Brandi]

You could just say he likes Hamilton. And we don't have to have the entire backstory of how he came into hearing the Hamilton soundtrack. She's like, the whole thing. Like, he really likes music, and one thing he really likes is Broadway music. And then Annie, she plays Broadway music, and one of the Broadway shows she plays is Hamilton. He loves Hamilton, so now he loves Hamilton. Like, just say yours. Your son loves Hamilton. Like, we get it. We could. We can go from point A to point B pretty clearly on that one. Someone played Hamilton for him. He heard it, he liked it, and now he's obsessed.

[Tom]

Yeah. So Ashley hangs up, and then we go back to Angel, Jazzy and Tia, and Angel's like, oh, let's be clear. I'm not OG WAG just because Bobby played for 10 years, okay? It's because I put in the work to know the ladies who are younger than me. And I'll achieve that with you guys, too. I'm your mommy wag. Okay, everybody. My baby mommy Wag.

[Brandi]

So she's acting like she deserves a prize for having basic interest in people in her social circle. She's like, yeah, I took time to get to know people, so that's why I'm very esteemed in the WAG community. Some say I'm kind of like, the best WAG of all time. And I'm going to apply the lessons I learned in Wagdom to all of you people. You are my children now. It's like, we're all older than you. That's okay. So Jassy's like, but, angel, you were just so open, and your personality was so bubbly last night. But then this morning, it's kind of like when you got with K. I mean, you. You just don't want to have the same energy.

[Tom]

Okay, well, you're talking to OG Wag, so watch your goddamn mouth, first of all. And second, what you saw last night was not me being bubbly. It was me being annoyed. And so if you knew me better, you would know that I love her. Whole thing with everybody is like, yeah, it's just because you guys don't know me, so maybe you should get to know me a little bit better. Like, lady, I'm not here to, you know, make so much effort until you approve of it. Yeah, like, it's. It's just like, a weird level that she sets for everybody. Like, well, maybe you should try to get to know me better. If you don't realize that me hugging everybody and laughing and then hugging them a second time and saying, I love you and I'm glad we had this night wasn't me being annoyed, then maybe you should take me to lunch. Okay.

[Brandi]

I think she may need to get to know the other women and realize that when you give certain signals, they may interpret that as you are over the issue. So Jassy is like, but you were so you were annoyed with last night when you were high fiving us and laughing with us. She goes, hell, yeah. He's like, I mean, who did you talk to that got you so upset? And so then they go and they show this rewind. You see the party where we saw them all having a fun time and high fiving and hugging, and they're like, oh, my God, Angel's fun now. And then she, like, goes and walks over to her villa, and she gets to the villa and Kieran is sitting there wrapped up, like, in a blanket or something. She's scowling and she's like. And she's, like, annoyed that there's bugs. And he's like, oh, it's because we're sweet. And angel has a smile on her face. She's happy. She finally connected with the women. And Kieran was like, oh, wow. Well, there's just like a whole lot of bitter going on around here.

[Tia]

And I just.

[Brandi]

To watch some of the behavior of the ladies, I just, like, can't sit and be fake and be like, this is awesome. It's like, amazing. No, I'm fucking annoyed.

[Tom]

And Angel's like, oh, well, yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, I'm good on everybody but you. You're the only one I like here. I was like, wow, geez. Come on, man. Have some of your own personality. That's bad.

[Brandi]

Yeah.

[Tom]

So jazzy. We cut back and Jazzy's like, okay, well, we were convinced it had blown over. So are you catfishing with your personality too? I just don't know. And now, because I'm Jazzy and I'm going to be a regular soon, I'm gonna sip on my drink in the confessional. Really nailed that one. So Tia's like, well, I'm so glad.

[Ashley]

That you didn't leave.

[Tom]

And Angel's like, yeah, you can't write me off. If you knew me better, you would know me. And I don't leave. So let's be clear.

[Ashley]

Okay.

[Tia]

Oh, are you annoyed?

[Brandi]

No, I'm having a great time. This is actually me being very happy.

[Tia]

Oh, so when you act annoyed, you're happy, but when you're happy, you're actually annoyed.

[Tom]

That is get to know me, lady. Get to know me.

[Brandi]

Get to know the OG WAG. Who wants to get to know an OG WAG? Everyone. To someone who started for 10 season starter WAG. Sort of WAG too.

[Tom]

So now everybody gathers and Giselle's like, okay, let's go have lunch. And so now they're going to head over and they get into sprinter van, and Wendy says that her chateau, they are known as the cgc and that means the Curly Girl Collective. Boom, boom.

[Brandi]

And she's like, let me tell you something, the cgc, we are just vibrant. We have our curly hair moisturized and emulated. Such a shame that we got robbed last night. Like, wait, what? We did? Yeah, yeah. Just don't worry about it. I'll follow the insurance claims. But yeah, we got a great chateau. So then Stacy's like, the Curly Girls. That was the worst dance ever. I just tried to do a dance with the curly girls. Whoops. I think I just snorted.

[Tia]

Huh?

[Brandi]

So then Ashley's like, okay, well, for.

[Giselle]

Your information, we are the Pussy Pink palace, cuz. Lesbians, drag kings. That's what I do now.

[Brandi]

And Giselle's like, okay, let me tell you about the ppp. We know how to party. We're not in our feelings. You know, me, Giselle Bryant, life of the party, known for partying.

[Tom]

So now they're getting wine and Jazzy's like, pinot noir is my favorite. By the way, Wendy says that she thinks it's so interesting. When they were at dinner, they were getting a piece of Giselle's life. But then Ashley, AKA Captain Sava Ho. Why are they going with this Captain Sava Ho so hard like that? They're not all Captain Save a Ho.

[Brandi]

I feel like it's a thing they've been doing for seasons. And I don't. I don't even remember the origin of it, but they've been definitely bringing it up. So Giselle said, well, what did she say? And Wendy's like, she's like, well, she saved, you know. You know, as she saved Giselle and.

[Tia]

K's like, well, stinky, can you like, pass the popcorn? This is about to be good. Look at me. I'm fun guys.

[Brandi]

And as she's like, yeah, you sort.

[Giselle]

Of just like pointed the finger at her and you were like, doing this, but you don't. But you don't talk about yourself.

[Brandi]

And Stacy's like, well, you guys have been pointing the Finger at me ever since I've known you.

[Giselle]

No, you're lying.

[Brandi]

No, Giselle's. Giselle's lying, too, because she clearly has a man.

[Tom]

And he was like, no, this has.

[Ashley]

More mission than lying.

[Tom]

And she's like, it's not a liar. You lied about Chris Samuels. And she's like, what do you mean? So they're calling her a liar. And Wendy's like, no, no, we're not going back to Chris Samuels. Let's stay right here on Sean Springs. And so they're like, oh, finally. Giselle's in the hot seat. Giselle's in the hot seat. And she's like, I'm dating him. Like, who cares? Like, wow, we got her, guys.

[Brandi]

Well, we got her. We got questions. We got questions. And Giselle says that she realized she needs to be serious about her future and about a man.

[Tom]

And.

[Brandi]

And her dad told her that she needs to find a guy that fits like a comfortable shoe. And Wendy's like, okay, so is Sean Springs a comfortable shoe? And Jess is like, oh, my God. Do you see a future with Sean? Oh, my God. And when he's like, is the sides right? Just like, he's comfortable? Aha. That's all I'll say about that.

[Tom]

Have you all had sex? And she's like, I don't know what you're talking about. Da. So they all laugh. And so Wendy asks the last question. Has he met the daughters? And Giselle won't answer, and just. And Wendy's like, oh, my God. That is your man. And she says that Grace has met him and thinks he's age appropriate and thinks that he's checking some boxes. And Angel's like, oh, my God. You're a wag. Welcome. I'm your new mother.

[Brandi]

If she says wag one more time, I'm literally going to, like, I don't know what. I'm going to push her off of a doc. I don't know what it is. But, like, please stop saying wag is driving me nuts. She's out of control of that. So Wendy is like, well, the thing about Giselle is that Giselle protects her heart. And that's why, as someone who knows her and as someone who can now say, she is my friend, I. You are basically like the Dawn Moore of this group. You're just very special to me. I am happy for you.

[Tom]

So Giselle's like, maybe we are friends. Ah. She cares about my future. So now it's time to eat. And angel saying, oh, guys, I'm having Such a good day. My baby just sent me some money so we can go shopping. He just dropped me a little. Cool. $5,000. Okay. That's sweet. Don't you have a credit card?

[Brandi]

Yeah.

[Tom]

I mean, why would he have to be slipping you money? That's weird. You better get some joint account access. Yeah.

[Brandi]

And, like, aren't you, like, an entrepreneur? And you run this woohoo thing with the walking in the trails and whatnot. So everyone's like, okay. I mean, I think that she. It's just an excuse for her to be like, we're rich, and my husband gives me money. Yeah. I'm basically a wag. Wag of a wags. So Angel's like.

[Tom]

Jazzy's like, you're not gonna spend $5,000 here. Where are we going to?

[Tia]

Yeah.

[Brandi]

Cause Angel's like, yeah, maybe we're gonna, like, buy some stuff in town, buy some artwork. It's like, you're not in Sag harbor or any of us.

[Tom]

So Giselle's like, okay, you know, you keep telling us. Well, she's telling us this. You keep telling bottom saying, Bobby this and Bobby that. Da. And we see a clip package of angel mentioning Bobby every two seconds. And she goes, but what about you, Angel? We actually care about ourselves in this group. That's why we are bad bitches of the pussy Pink Palace.

[Brandi]

And Giselle's like, tia, does your husband travel with you a lot?

[Tia]

No, he doesn't. He's American, so he's afraid of new things, unfortunately.

[Tom]

So she talks about how she met her husband in London, actually, in Camden.

[Ashley]

Town, which is very dodgy. I went to buy a leather jacket, and I hear this American accent say.

[Tom]

That looks good on you.

[Ashley]

And that's where I met his. That's where he met his African queen.

[Brandi]

Oh, yeah. Was there any.

[Tom]

Why doesn't shit like that ever happen to me when I'm shopping? What is. People just meeting someone's like, you're hot. Let's get married.

[Brandi]

I know.

[Ashley]

What the hell?

[Brandi]

Sorry.

[Tom]

I don't get anything. I get. Will you move out of my way?

[Brandi]

Or.

[Tom]

I think that your card is broken somehow. I always pick the cart that's like. And I just keep it through the whole store because I assume all the carts are like that.

[Brandi]

Yeah, I.

[Tom]

Anyway, I don't get laid like that.

[Brandi]

I. Yeah, I remember. But before I met Dom, I always was like, maybe today would be the day that I get a meet cute. And I. I have to have to say, I don't think ever in my entire life that I ever have a meet cute. It's just. I don't think they really happen. I think. I think maybe Tia's even lying about this. I think they, like, met on match.com.

[Tom]

It'S time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin commercial.

[Brandi]

So Wendy is like, was there any pushback from your family that you didn't marry a Nigerian?

[Tia]

Oh, 100%.

[Brandi]

Oh, yeah. Cuz that's a big deal in our culture.

[Tia]

Oh. And it still is. So they say, okay, I'm getting married to some guy called Rob Galova. You should have seen the way my mother fainted. My aunt fainted on top of my mother, then my dad tripped over them. And then everyone fainted because my dad tripped.

[Giselle]

Oh, God, I was a disaster.

[Ashley]

What if I married a glover? And all he kept saying was, I'm too old for this shit.

[Tom]

She says that when they had children, she realized that it was naive to think that just because they're both black that they don't have cultural differences because it plays out in the children. And she's saying, in Nigeria, there's a way you speak to your friends, and then there's a way that you respect, and there's a level of respect you extend to your seniors. And American kids are not like that. We see a clip of her being her telling her kid, can I take your lip gloss? And she goes, no, bro.

[Ashley]

She's like, no, no, I'm not, bro. I am mummy.

[Tia]

I'm Mummy.

[Giselle]

Mummy.

[Brandi]

I love that.

[Tia]

So Tia's like, I think if they go to England or if they go to Nigeria and do that, my Nigeria family would be like, oh, look, they've been in America too long. But you know, Rob, of course he is Americans just like, oh, it's cool. I'm like, no, it's not, though. It's not cool at all.

[Tom]

So now it's time to go back to the bus. Now they're gonna go to the market. So they have a poll in this bus, which everybody takes a twirl on, of course. And so Giselle announces that Jazzy's about to get married, so they have to have a stripper poll.

[Ashley]

Guys, it's all for Jazzy.

[Tia]

Yeah.

[Brandi]

And then Giselle's pointing everyone shots. They're toast. A big dick energy. I'll toast to that. I'm into that. Talk about length, talk about drama, talk about big dick. Am I right, everyone? But Wendy's feeling sick, so she's starting to decline. And she. There was, like, a bug in her house. And she's worried that she's catching it.

[Tom]

Yeah. So now they go to Artisan Village and do some shopping. And angel is just looking in the T shirt shops. And Wendy's like, angel, what do buying from the flea market with $5,000? These T shirts are 1235. She just rolls her eyes. So Ashley's buying mosquito repellent. It's a super glamorous trip.

[Brandi]

Yeah, basically.

[Tom]

Super glamorous. So, yeah. So they just do some shopping and stuff. And Wendy's starting to feel really sick. And then Angel. Guess what Angel's talking about. She's talking about economics and the changing prices of groceries and how it affects Americans. Just kidding. She's talking husband. So she's like, yeah, so my husband Bobby. Yeah, I'm a wag. I texted him sex because when we get back, you know, it has to go down. And then he said that sex is probably going to make a baby. He's my husband. We love having sex. It's crazy. And Stacy's like, I wonder what would happen if I texted Teemo, like, do it. She goes, okay, I'm gonna text him sex and nothing else. Okay, do it. Do it.

[Brandi]

So then when Wendy is outside feeling sick and Giselle's checking on her, and Wendy thinks that she has the flu, and Giselle, like, go to get the air conditioning, and then back in the shop, she texts Timo. And then Timo writes back and goes, you want sex? And she's like, oh, my God. He's like, you want sex? You're having sex. He's confused. Isn't that adorable? So Ash is like, no, you want.

[Giselle]

Do you want to send him a picture of your boobs?

[Tia]

Oh, too much.

[Ashley]

Send boobs.

[Tia]

My vagina.

[Giselle]

How about my vagina? Have you ever been sexually attracted to a woman? That's my thing this season.

[Tom]

Okay, I will send him a selfie. Okay, how do I do it? I don't know how to do selfies. Okay, I'll send him this one. Click. And she just looks, like, terrified in her selfie. She looks like she's being held hostage. And so she's like, oh, my God, Shirley is going to write back. I just can't wait till he writes back. And he writes back. I think you have the wrong number. And they're like, oh, God, that's awkward. And she's trying to laugh it off. She's like, oh, yeah. Well, he's German. His sense of humor is different than ours, guys.

[Brandi]

I personally saw that as a clear joke. Like, I like that. To me, it sounds like a dry joke. And I thought there was, like, literally nothing wrong with that. I thought it was funny. And they're like, oh, no. And, you know, Ash is going to jump on to be like.

[Giselle]

I mean, they're like. Like, he doesn't even want to have sex with her. Like, their marriage is in trouble. And they, like, she's acting like they're getting back together, but they clearly has.

[Brandi]

No sexual attraction because, you know, she's going to latch onto it, and they're.

[Tia]

Going to be a thing.

[Brandi]

And Giselle's going be like, so I hear Timo doesn't want to have sex with you, Stacy. And they're going to turn it into a whole giant thing. And to me, it's like, very obviously just a. Like a dry joke. Like, you know, I didn't see anything wrong with it. And they're all, like, eyes are bulging, clutching their pearls. Like, this is terrible.

[Tia]

This is a crisis. This is literally a crisis. It's a team of crisis. It's a team of crisis.

[Tom]

We're getting.

[Ashley]

We're getting gift cards to throw at our head. Okay, everybody, like, donate some money so.

[Tom]

We can throw some gift cards at Stacy's head because she is in a disaster. All right?

[Ashley]

This is a disaster.

[Tom]

So of course Ashley's gonna do this. And we know because she immediately runs right to Giselle and is like, oh, my God.

[Ashley]

We were in the store and angel text her husband was so lame, and he said, I think I have the wrong number.

[Tom]

And they start cracking up. She's like, talk about. Stop talking about me. Stop it.

[Brandi]

So outside, Wendy is sick, so they're gonna get her into. Get her home or whatever. And. Yeah, and Ashley is, like, in a frenzy about this. This whole thing with. With Timo and everything. Like, she. This is like the most exciting thing that she's ever heard. And Karen is like, you know, Karen's saying, like, oh, like, he wasn't used to getting. Getting these sort of texts. Is that what that was about? I thought you said you're rekindling. And she's. Oh, they're just joking. It's just a joke. Stop it. The lesson that I learned from my divorce was us not optimizing the time when he is home for each other. I mean, sometimes we're so busy, we don't have time to sit together and look at beautiful sweaters with camels on them that represent baby Jesus coming out of the manger. If we did that together more, I think we'd still be together.

[Tom]

Now when he's home. I just put a bag over Arabella's head. We just pretend she's not there until he's back out of town. It's been working out so far. Arabella has run into a few walls. We might need to cut some holes in that bag. But it's a beautiful bag. A bag with a gorgeous Christmas tree on the front. Because Christmas is a beautiful holiday full of jolliness and love. $9.99.

[Brandi]

Fun fact, when we put that bag on Arabella's head, we then call her Arabaga. It's hilarious. I think she's laughing. Can't hear her through the bag, though.

[Tom]

So now they go over to some steel drums and dance around, and Wendy's like, even if I'm thick, I'm beating those dwums. So they do. They have some good times. And now they go back to the resort and Stacy comes to check on Wendy, and she's like, we brought you some things. Ginger ale, Gatorade, goldfish.

[Brandi]

Thank you. Giselle says, definitely need to get yourself together for tomorrow because tomorrow is going to be the big confrontation with K again, I'm sure.

[Server]

Ah.

[Brandi]

So Wendy's like. She's like, okay. And so Giselle says, of course I'm gonna check on Sickle Wendy. It's my trip and I actually care about these girls. Plus I don't have Karen. So Wendy's kind of like my right hand man at the moment because Ashley is essentially worthless this season.

[Tom]

Now they go to the restaurant and Mr. Sunshine's like, hi, welcome to Mr. Sunshine's On. Mr. Sunshine. Want to have some bee stink shots, everybody? Let's do it. So they do that again. And then Mr. Sunshine's like, I'm gonna.

[Server]

Cook for you personally. Yeah.

[Tom]

So they go to do that. And so Angel's like, okay. So Giselle's like, okay, what are we gonna order? And angel goes, well, am I gonna be on the menu again? That's all I wanna know. Like, now she's all upset.

[Brandi]

You're upset. You're like putting yourself. You're saying you're. You're. You're being passive aggressive. You're basically putting your hat into. You're like, hey, beat me up right now. Giselle's like.

[Tom]

She's like, anyone wanna fight with me? And they're like.

[Brandi]

She goes, I'm ready for y' all tonight. I'm like, you should be ready just.

[Tom]

Because the night is young.

[Brandi]

Angel's so proud of herself. She's like, I'm ready tonight. I'm like, this has been two. Two dinner parties or actually brunch and dinner where you've been caught off guard by being attacked. You don't get an award for finally preparing yourself for an ambush.

[Tia]

So Tia is like, oh, angel today. So what's Wendy going to have for dinner?

[Giselle]

Are we going to take her back some food?

[Tia]

Is there going to be something special for her? Is she watching Richard Matter right now? May I go join her, please?

[Tom]

So they're like, her. We don't need to get her food. She's sick. Who cares? Yeah. So Giselle's like, but, k. I do want to tell you this. Wendy's not here, but she was very offended. And Karen is like, okay. That you didn't stay for her birthday yesterday. And Jazzy's like, oh, God. Yeah, she was upset this morning.

[Brandi]

I feel like Stacy was one who goes, I would be offended. Shouldn't she be offended that Kay went back to her villa while we all celebrated her birthday? I think it was Stacey who kind of pushed that agenda. But, hey, I'm fine with it.

[Tom]

Yeah. But Wendy was also like, I see her now. I see who she really is. So Kieran is like, well, I was quiet because I was also hurt for my other friend who I left to the wolves, you know, so. And Ashley's like, but, you know, I.

[Ashley]

Do think it was still good for angel to stay.

[Tom]

And they're like, yeah, yeah, that was good. And they talk about what a great time they had, and everybody's really rubbing it in. We had such a great time with her. Such a good time. And then Jazzy's like, yeah, but then you told me you didn't have a good time last night. So we're confused. And Giselle's like, wait, you didn't have a good time?

[Brandi]

Well, and angel says, I mean, it was cool, but I. I mean, if I'm being honest, I was still feeling a lot from the dinner. I mean, I slept on it. Simple as that. Like, and then Jesse goes and woke up and decided you were pissed, because normally you say you slept on and feel better. And so Angel's like, yeah, yeah, I woke up pissed. You know why? Because I woke up and I remembered the first rule of Wagdom, which is hold on to things the way your husband holds on to a ball. So Jassy goes, oh, okay, well, I guess that's fair. And she was like, but, okay, this.

[Tia]

Is my thoughts just coming in. If, you know, if I'm heavily filtered, I would want somebody to come in and say, babe, that doesn't even look like you.

[Brandi]

And Jassy goes, oh, yeah. By the way, I do think that you filter yours a lot too.

[Tia]

Oh, I do feel about that. Thank you.

[Brandi]

Yes.

[Tia]

Do you think it's a lot?

[Brandi]

It's a bit too much. I think it's a little bit too much.

[Tia]

Oh. Oh, thank you. Thank you for telling me. I'm so. I'm so grateful that you told me that, Jazz. Yeah, I appreciate that so much.

[Ashley]

Thank you for illustrating exactly what I'm talking about, how you take notes. All right, ladies.

[Tom]

So Kieran was like, well, okay, Wendy's hurt, but thank you for telling me. She was hurt because she just acts nonchalant. And none. We weren't acknowledging each other yesterday. And to be honest, Jazzy, I was very hurt when you made that comment that I talked about, Wende, because now Wendy and I are in a fractured space, and she's like, well, how do you think I felt about you sharing intimate conversations that I had with you? And Kieran is like, well, I just stated facts. And she's like, well, by the way, her facts were, you have two kids that aren't yours. Yeah, that's what she said, by the way. Yeah. Okay, Kieran. No biggie. No biggie, Kierna.

[Brandi]

And I'm just remembering now, the issue is that I guess that went. Wendy spoke to Jassy on the phone in the off season, and Jassy made it sort of sound like Kieran might be mad at Wendy. Right. Wasn't the whole thing that Jassy said something like. And Kierna. I don't know about her, or something like that? That was what came out last episode, I think.

[Tom]

Well, we don't. Right. I don't think we know, do we?

[Brandi]

It was. Well, they said, remember?

[Tia]

Because what you said.

[Brandi]

I didn't say it like, oh, yeah.

[Tom]

Because she says.

[Tia]

Or.

[Brandi]

I don't know what it was.

[Tom]

She says, you. She said something like, she. She mentioned Kieran, and Wendy went, Kierna. Wasn't that where she made, like, some kind of noise? And we're like, this is the fight.

[Brandi]

Yeah. And so Wendy made an odd sounds, like Kieran is suggesting that because of Jassy opened her mouth, it created a wedge between Wendy and Kierna, And I'm just like. I just. I'm not tracking it because it was so small that. The issue with Jassy was so small and stupid that I just did not retain it in my brain from last week or.

[Tom]

Oh, Jazz. It's because she was arguing with Wendy, and no Kieran was arguing with Jazzy. And then Jazzy was like, okay, then why don't you tell Wendy what you said about her? And she was like, what? And she goes, go ahead, tell her what you said about her. And then she's like, come on, don't do that. And she's like, well, I'm not gonna say anything, but we both know you said something about Wendy right now. So she was leaving it open ended for, you know, Wendy to get mad. But that's what you get. I mean, you just told her she had two kids that weren't hers. Like, that's shittier.

[Brandi]

Yeah, exactly.

[Tia]

Me. So.

[Brandi]

So basically, Jassy's like, there's like. There's like, not. There's, like, not type of responsibility on what you. What you do. There's no type of responsibility on what you do. And it makes me wonder, like, are you jealous?

[Tia]

You're like, yes.

[Brandi]

Why would I be jealous of your, like, hot football player, successful man? I've got a stumpy guy who wears polo shirts and this tells me what to do at home. So no, like, why would I ever be jealous?

[Tom]

And they're like, well, why don't you tell us what you said about Wendy? And she goes, well, I don't know. I don't even know what she's saying. I said. And Jazzy said, well, first of all, you lied and said that my man had two children on me, which he didn't. And she goes, oh, okay, one.

[Brandi]

I was the other woman. No, I was the other woman, basically. Because wasn't that the whole thing? Like, he was with a wife and had two kids with a wife. And then all of a sudden, there was Jassy and Jassy. The overlap was a little nebulous. So it's not that he cheated on Jassy. It's that I think Jassy was the one who came in and was the other one.

[Tia]

No.

[Tom]

Yeah. I don't know. So Tia's like, well, did he have any? And Giselle said, stay out of it. Like, stay out of it, Tia. And Jazzy's like, well, that was a lie. And she goes, oh, okay. So was it one or two? So Jazzy says, oh, so you want to be factual, then let's be factual. And this is where Jazzy fails too, because she's always doing this, like, I've got something, and she's also got nothing, which is kind of the problem with this whole season so far. So Kieran is like, well, I'm trying to keep up. So she Says that she really adored Jazzy and she was a girl's girl. And then Jacqueline tells her that Jazzy said that you were a snake. Dun, dun, dun. And I'm super hurt because I was being very genuine and I was building a relationship with her, and then she.

[Server]

Called me a snake.

[Brandi]

So Jassy says, let me say that I truly regret how I responded to you in response to how you treated me. She's like, I'm going to apologize for what I said to you that I only said because of the shitty thing you said to me. And Ashley is.

[Giselle]

Ashley's like, I clapped too soon. Too soon.

[Brandi]

Cuz Ash is like, clapping like, oh my God, this is progress.

[Tia]

And she's like, oh, wait, no, it.

[Giselle]

Wasn'T a real apology too soon.

[Tom]

So Kieran is saying, well, I can be responsible if you say what I said, but I can't be responsible for something that I don't know if I said. And so she's like, okay, so say what I said. And then I can say yay or no. And Jazzy's like, oh, you really want me to? Yeah, this is where we get what she said. So Jazzy's like, well, when it came down to Wendy, K basically said, don't trust her. And I decided to not say anything because I think that Wendy would also be upset with the timing in which it was said.

[Brandi]

The producer's like, if Wendy knew exactly what Kay said about her, on a scale of like 1 to 5, how upset would we be? And Jessica's Wendy would be an 8.5. So, like, okay. I mean, either way, like, basically there's something happened. Something happened before the season between Kieran and Wendy, and now Jassy's in the mix and all. I. I don't really even know what happened, but all I can really discern is that Kierna needs to sort of get over it. Kierna is the one who is like, like really, like, living in the misery right now while everyone's like, this is like, not even a thing. Kieran.

[Server]

You're.

[Brandi]

You're all upset and you're making it into a thing, but it's not a thing.

[Tom]

So, yeah, we're trying to make a lot of dumb little fights happen, and none of the dumb little fights are happening. And sometimes I think Housewives would be okay if they just have fun and have funny scenes.

[Brandi]

And actually that's the majority.

[Tom]

Constantly be forcing themselves to fight. It's just. Just kills the show, you know, I.

[Brandi]

Actually think the majority of this episode was just what you described. And I think it's like, they have such a strong cast right now that it's, like, deeply entertaining to watch. And it's funny and, like, you don't need that conflict. And I just feel like Kierna is trying to drum up something here. And of course, Jassy's trying to because she's a friend of.

[Tom]

So she's motivated, and so is angel. And angel, they're all trying to, like, get their. Get their credits by fighting stupid fights. And it's like, just stop. Earn your fights. They have to be earned. We don't want to fight.

[Brandi]

Fight.

[Tom]

We don't care about seeing you fight with somebody you barely even know. It's more fun when you're fighting with somebody that you kind of know and you have a history with, you know?

[Brandi]

Yeah, exactly. So we'll see how that all pans out. But regardless of that, I mean, it's such a funny episode. And the season is really so strong. It's really great to see. So I wonder what's gonna happen when Karen comes back because the chemistry is so strong. But you can't not have Karen. Karen will be in the mix. But.

[Tom]

Wow.

[Brandi]

And when Karen and Tia are on together, I really can't wait for that day. And hopefully Karen will take care of Spot. So we will. We'll see how that pans out. See everyone tonight for Crappy Hour. We'll be discussing all sorts of things and keep an eye on an ear out for both our Bravocon plans, but also our Vanderpump rules trailer trash. So talk to everyone later. Bye.

[Tom]

Bye.

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