#3067 Wife Swap The Real Housewives Edition S1E3: Pig of Snarkasm

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #3067

"Wife Swap The Real Housewives Edition S1E3: Pig of Snarkasm"

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam | Date: November 6, 2025

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

In this episode, Ben and Ronnie recap "Wife Swap: The Real Housewives Edition" Season 1 Episode 3, focusing on Emily Simpson’s swap with Jersey’s Kaylee Svenson. As always, the hosts serve biting commentary, plenty of laughs, and their signature affection-laced snark as they dissect the family dynamics, housewife quirks, and unexpected emotional revelations from one of the most offbeat and vulnerable episodes yet.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS & INSIGHTS

1. Setting the Stage: Anticipation for Emily Simpson (04:00–04:37)

• Hosts' excitement: Emily is an "icon of the housewifery arts," and anticipation is high for her feature on Wife Swap.
  • Ronnie: “It’s finally the episode we’ve all been waiting for... entertaining as hell today on Bravo.”
  • Ben: “Round of applause. Icon. An icon of the housewifery arts.”
• The duo highlights their affection for recapping “crazy shit” and crave the wild, not the boring.

2. The Simpson Household: Emily & Shane’s Division of Labor (05:20–07:59)

• Domestic responsibilities: Emily jokes about her hectic life as a lawyer, mom, and party-planner, while Shane is dubbed "King of Snarkasm" and revealed as doing most of the housework.
  • Emily: “60, 40. 60 in your favor.” (06:02)
  • Ronnie: “Now we find out that Shane does everything for the kids… it’s pretty interesting watching Emily’s episode, actually.” (06:51–07:28)
• Family dinners: Their lack of regular family meals shocks Ben and Ronnie:
  • Ben: “Shocking to hear there aren’t family dinners in the Simpson household.” (06:41)
• Generational repeat: Emily becoming distant like her own mother echoes her complaints—Ronnie clocks her “retreat to the bedroom” as a familiar parental move. (09:59–10:07)

3. Annabelle’s Teen Angst & Mother/Daughter Tension (08:41–10:25)

• Annabelle’s change: The hosts note Annabelle's “distinct distaste and hatred” toward her mother—contrasting with her earlier, spunkier self.
  • Ben: “Annabelle’s distinct distaste and hatred of her mother is so fascinating…” (08:41)
• Parental reflection: Emily openly acknowledges the role reversal.
  • Emily: “I have this angry 12-year-old who's on the phone all the time and I retreat to the bedroom a lot. That's just how I parent.” (09:59)

4. The Swap: Meet the Svensons, Farm & Marital Drama in New Jersey (11:14–16:58)

• Kelly’s bitterness: She’s a blunt, overworked mom with clear contempt for her husband Eric, whom she insults openly and often.
  • Ronnie: “If you got a suitcase and filled it with absolutely nothing, but it somehow weighed 350 pounds, that’s my husband.” (12:02–12:40)
  • Ben: “These two are going to be divorced in a year. This marriage is not lasting.” (12:40–13:23)
• Kids’ perspective: Even their daughter jokes, “Dad ruins everything,” which Ben suggests is learned from mom. (13:23)
• Long-simmering resentment: Banter has turned to true contempt; Ronnie shares his insight on this toxic dynamic.
  • Ronnie: “It starts little, then it snowballs into this terrible, emotionally abusive thing.” (17:01–17:44)
  • Ben: “Terrible feedback, negative feedback loop.” (15:57)

5. Swapping Lives: Culture Shock & Pottery Barn Shade (21:26–26:43)

• Emily's "farm girl" persona is tested with real farm chores (spoiler: she’s not thrilled).
  • Emily: “Oh my god, there's a pig inside. That’s better than a dog. Oh my god, you’re a pig. Do you have a name?” (22:28)
• House comparisons:
  • Jersey mansion vs. Emily’s “Pottery Barn” Orange County home (“mid-tier consumer,” as Kaylee savagey remarks).
  • Ben: “It feels like I just kind of walked into a Pottery Barn. Don’t want to judge though… for a real housewife, it should be, like, way above Pottery Barn.” (25:49)
  • Ronnie: “The shade.” (26:33)

6. The Letters: Setting Expectations & Early Impressions (26:45–28:17)

• Household realities: Emily describes Annabelle as "feral and sassy;" Kaylee learns she has to clean the barn and avoid making Eric do everything.
• Role envy: Kaylee is openly jealous of Shane's participation; first time someone on the show is envious of being married to him!
  • Ronnie: “This is the first episode… where someone is going to be jealous of having Shane as a husband.” (27:19)

7. New Norms, New Struggles: Adapting to Each Other (29:15–32:00)

• Keystone differences:
  • Kaylee is amazed at Shane cooking and cleaning: “Can I move in here? Please? Just take me.” (29:15)
  • Emily struggles with barn chores: “Oh, I haven't worked in 16 years like this.” (32:20)
• Family rituals:
  • In New Jersey, it’s all about early, mandatory family dinners. Kaylee is strict about tradition: “The biggest thing that bonds family are those traditions.” (29:19)

8. The Rule Change: Family Engagement, Screen Time Limits, and Date Nights (47:03–53:03)

• Kaylee’s rules in Orange County:
  • Limit screen time for the kids.
  • Family dinner is mandatory; Annabelle not thrilled.
  • Try to engage and be present as a family.
  • Kaylee struggles to connect with teen Annabelle.
• Emily’s rules in New Jersey:
  • Eric must take over animal care and bedtime.
  • Eric “plans a date night” (awkward hilarity ensues).
  • The kids act as restaurant staff for date night:
    • Adelaide (as waitress): “Tonight we’re going to be serving you lasagna cups and Caesar salad.” (52:45)
• Hosts' impressions:
  • Ben observes, “Rule change brings forced self-reflection on both sides... Emily leads the witness all episode.” (43:05, 66:45)

9. Emotional Underpinnings: Marital Stalemate & Wake Up Calls (53:03–55:13; 63:11–64:44)

• Eric’s passive stance:
  • “I’m a medical director at a large health care facility… I feel like I’m not appreciated.” (14:44)
  • Emily challenges him, revealing both spouses feel unrecognized.
• Cycle of resentment:
  • Ronnie notes, “They’re just doing a bunch of stuff you don’t want to do for each other. Doesn’t it sound fun?” (53:49)
  • Ben: “If you both wait for one person to do the first thing, you’re never… just going to be sitting there.” (53:43)
• Eric’s vulnerability:
  • “Maybe I’d feel more motivated if I was appreciated or she showed affection.” (55:00)
  • Emily: “So you feel resentment because you’re not appreciated, and you wish she had more gratitude and affection?’” (55:13)

10. Clumsy Breakthroughs: Reflections at the End of the Swap (58:00–66:21)

• Annabelle softens:
  • Genuine moment as Annabelle rides bikes with Kaylee—her teen wall comes down, even a little.
    • “Annabelle... she is melting a little bit.” (59:52)
• Kaylee recognizes her own absenteeism:
  • “I go to bed instead of hanging out with my kids. I thought, maybe I should hang out with my own children.” (62:12)
• Emily sees the value in family time:
  • “Maybe I should figure it out... even though it’s crazy and hard.” (63:01)
• Kelly and Eric’s issues exposed (possibly deeper than mere neglect):
  • The panel speculates about cheating or deep-seated dysfunction, as Kelly breaks down and admits not knowing how to be a more affectionate wife. (63:34–63:48)
• Shane gets his flowers:
  • Both women agree Shane is a “wonderful partner” deserving more appreciation (64:44).

11. Episode Outcomes & Post-Swap Updates (66:11–66:45)

• Jersey couple: Now have a weekly date night and lunch together; Eric pairs PF Changs with Dom Perignon.
• Simpson household: Emily occasionally carpools; took Annabelle to Paris to bond ("genuinely nice" per Ben).
• Pig in Jersey: Remains undefeated as the MVP for the hosts.

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MEMORABLE QUOTES & MOMENTS

• Kelly’s marital evisceration:
  • “If you got a suitcase and filled it with absolutely nothing, but it somehow weighed 350 pounds, that’s my husband.” – Ronnie (12:02)
• Pottery Barn shade:
  • “It feels like I just kind of walked into a Pottery Barn. For a real housewife, it should be… way above Pottery Barn.” – Ben (25:49)
• Emily’s routine, mirrored from her mother:
  • “I have this angry 12-year-old who's on the phone all the time and I retreat to the bedroom a lot. That's just how I parent.” – Emily (09:59)
• On resentment cycles:
  • “It starts little, then it snowballs into this terrible, emotionally abusive thing.” – Ronnie (17:01)
• Annabelle’s upgrade:
  • “Annabelle’s distinct distaste and hatred of her mother is so fascinating...” – Ben (08:41)
• Snarkasm king announced:
  • “Now we can talk badly about you while you’re gone, right, Luke? Hahaha. King of snarkasm in the making.” – Ronnie (51:59)
• On farm dreams gone awry:
  • “You’re miserable with your own dream.” – Ben (36:22)

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TIMESTAMPS FOR IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

| Timestamp | Segment | |------------|--------------------------------------------------------------| | 04:00 | Hosts introduce Emily Simpson Wife Swap anticipation | | 05:20–07:59| Delving into Simpson household routines and division of labor| | 09:59 | Emily’s self-awareness about mimicking her mother | | 12:02 | Kelly’s contempt for Eric reaches comic heights | | 17:01 | Ronnie’s deep-dive on marital resentment cycles | | 25:49 | Kaylee’s withering “Pottery Barn” judgment | | 29:15 | Kaylee marvels at having a helpful husband | | 43:05 | Emily “leading the witness” with the kids | | 47:03 | Rule-change segment: new household orders | | 53:03 | Emily and Eric’s “date night” discussion on appreciation | | 59:52 | Annabelle softens with Kaylee outdoors | | 62:12 | Kaylee realizes she avoids spending time with her own kids | | 63:01 | Emily admits confronting challenges of spending time with kids| | 66:11 | Episode resolutions and post-swap changes |

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FINAL NOTES & HOST IMPRESSIONS

• Episode tone: More melancholy and emotionally tangled than prior Wife Swap episodes; less cozy and more honest about dysfunction and generational patterns.
• Hosts’ judgment:
  • Emily is more vulnerable than expected but still “leads the witness.”
  • Kelly’s bitterness overwhelmed her empathetic side.
  • Shane, surprisingly, comes off as the MVP—not something either host expected.
  • The pig is beloved by all.

Ben: “Declining returns in terms of coziness… but the show’s still better than I ever expected.” (66:59)
Ronnie: “Emily walking in and just dropping a bunch of shit onto a family... leading the witness is the perfect way to put it.” (66:45)

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TAKEAWAY

A classic Watch What Crappens episode: loaded with snark, acute social observations, and genuine love for the mess—and the lessons—Bravo’s housewives never fail to deliver. This Wife Swap was less glamorous and more real... but the pig was fabulous.

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Transcript

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[Ronnie]

Hello there and welcome to Watch what crappens. I'm Ronnie and that's Ben.

[Kaylee]

Hello Ben.

[Ronnie]

Hello.

[Ben]

Hello Rondela. How are you?

[Ronnie]

Good. Today is a great day. It's finally the episode we've all been waiting for. If Wife Swap the Emily Simpson Apple Zone. I know we're all dying to see some more Emily in our televisions. And guess what? The good Lord delivered Emily coming round the corner just entertaining as hell today on Bravo. So congratulations on all the great work you did. Emily Simpson everybody.

[Ben]

Or a round of applause Icon. An icon of the housewifery arts.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, we're going to get into that. But before we do, Monday is Amazon live. That's at 4pm Pacific time on Amazon. Okay. You can watch that on your TVs on your Amazon prime app or you can come find the links at our Instagram link in bio and come talk to us over there. We always have a good time reading your comments, talking about what we're shopping for. It's etc. So join us for that. And we are also going to be having a meetup at Bravo Con. We're not sure of the date or the time, but if you're going to be at Bravo Con, it's going to be a free event. We just want to meet you guys and hang out with you and party with you a little bit. So Just check our socials for that. We'll announce it probably the day of that. We do it in Bravo con, so keep your eyes out. It won't be a lot of notice. Just know it's going to happen and you are coming.

[Kaylee]

Okay.

[Ben]

Yeah, it's going to be good. We're going to talk to some people that it should be fun.

[Ronnie]

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[Emily]

Okay.

[Ben]

Also, you know, I have to say I'm gonna put in a special request. I always love a mother daughter episode. Those always crack me up. So anything with mothers and daughters will.

[Ronnie]

Specifically a mother who hates her daughter.

[Ben]

Specifically, yeah. A mother who disapproves of her daughter's choices and the mother and the daughter who is rebelling against her mother, but somehow they're trying to keep it all in together because they're on TV on and looking at houses like that is really a. There was one that took place in Alabama that we did that I still remember to this day that was just so wonderful.

[Ronnie]

So, yeah, speaking of, let's talk about wife swap, where Emily's daughter clearly hates every mother figure in her life.

[Ben]

Oh, Annabelle.

[Ronnie]

And Emily hates her own mother. So let's go check it out. It's Wife Swap, season one, episode three, Daddy Duties. And Daddy don'ts tell you that that's a.

[Ben]

That might be a play on words because there's a lot of duty in this episode.

[Kaylee]

So we start taco in my pocket and another taco going out downtown.

[Emily]

I'm angry, but I'm Emily. I'm in Orange county, but I'm from Ohio. I'm a lawyer, but I also like to Party plan.

[Kaylee]

I'm a. I'm a lawyer. I've got tacos in my pocket. I'm a sinner. I'm a saint.

[Ronnie]

So we open at Emily. I don't know why we're on that, but Emily is her home today. She says she needs to do her laundry, and Shane goes, you mean you need to. You need to have me do the laundry. King of snarkas.

[Emily]

Oh, to the left, to the right. Oh, we're not doing it anymore. Okay. I do laundry, too, Shane.

[Ronnie]

So how. And he's like, really? How are the household duties divided?

[Kaylee]

She's like, well, 60, 40. 60 in your favor.

[Ronnie]

Maybe 70. 30.

[Emily]

My name is Emily Simpson, and I live in Orange County.

[Ben]

It's a. My name is Shane Simpson, and I'm married to Emily King. King of Snarcasm. Theme song, anyone? No? Okay. Only one. That's okay.

[Emily]

Pity the child who lost.

[Ronnie]

They just start playing chess. So Emily's like, y.

[Kaylee]

We've got three children together. Annabelle, Luke, and Keller. One of them won't eat orange things, and I don't know what to do.

[Ronnie]

And Shane's like, yeah, you know, I wish we had more family dinners. I think that's pretty important. That's a big thing on this show, having family dinners and all sitting at the same table. It's a big. It's a big one.

[Ben]

It is. And it's a little shocking to hear that they're not family dinners happening in the Simpson household, considering that we've spent seven years of Emily talking about how.

[Emily]

My mom would just not make time for us.

[Ronnie]

So she said this entire episode was pretty fascinating because we've heard Emily and how she talks about her mother and what her mother was like. And then we see that Emily has become her mother in a lot of ways, which is pretty fascinating to see. We've also, you know, a lot of her. Her time has been spent, like, Shane doesn't do enough, and Shane doesn't. You know, wasn't her thing, like, Shane's not emotionally available kids and stuff. And now we find out that Shane does everything for the kids. So it's. It's pretty interesting watching Emily's episode, actually. And by the way, I never thought I would put those same words in this. In a sentence together.

[Ben]

Interesting. In Emily.

[Emily]

Who'd have thought I make Chicken McNuggets for my kids? You know, I make rice for Luke, and then Shane is on his own. And when Shane and I first got married, it was supposed to be that I'd be home with the Kids and chain would work, and then I ended up on a TV show, and I worked more than I ever anticipated. I mean, it also helped that he failed the bar 15 times, so he couldn't actually work. But, you know, who would have thought?

[Ronnie]

Yeah, they just leave that part out. Yeah, well, most of my time spent doing domestic duties. And Emily knows I do a lot, but I don't think she values it.

[Kaylee]

She's like, oh, my God, I guess I should have sex with it more.

[Emily]

He does a lot.

[Kaylee]

Who deserves more analysis?

[Ben]

Emily, you don't have to do that. Don't worry.

[Emily]

So Emily's like, I honestly don't know what to pack.

[Kaylee]

Right.

[Emily]

This is weird. Can you open it for me?

[Ben]

And Annabelle's like, why me?

[Emily]

No, don't leave. I need help. Annabelle, animal, help me pack my clothing.

[Ben]

She's like, can't he do it? And she just points the dog.

[Emily]

Annabelle. That's the sort of goofy joke that only I'm allowed to make. Not you.

[Ronnie]

Oh, gee, Emily, you don't know what to pack. I don't know. Maybe some cutouts or things that are held together with giant, like, napkin rings. That's all you own. Just pack what you own, girl. What, are you gonna go shopping?

[Ben]

Annabelle's distinct distaste and hatred of her mother is so fascinating, because last time we checked in with Annabelle, she was, like, spunky and happy, and Emily was taking her to modeling gigs, and she was, like, this ball of energy, and now she's like, I'm a teenager now.

[Ronnie]

That's how it works. That's how it works. Actually, I have to say that with my nieces, if that didn't happen with either one of my nieces, isn't that crazy?

[Ben]

That's nice.

[Ronnie]

They both grew up actually nicer.

[Ben]

Like, we love that.

[Ronnie]

Everyone's like, oh, my God, you guys turned into teenagers, and you're even more lovely.

[Ben]

They really are like little rays of sunshine. They're always like, hi. Like, every time they come backstage, like, hi.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, hi.

[Ben]

And you're like, oh, my God, they're so sweet and lovely.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And, I mean, they do say, you're stupid, uncle, but it's in a loving way, like, oh, you're an idiot. You know, not like, shut up, uncle. You know, they're like, don't talk to my. They're not like, don't talk to my friends. They're like, talk to my friends because you're an idiot. They'll think it's hilarious. Do it. Maybe they'll put it on TikTok.

[Kaylee]

Me an idiot.

[Ronnie]

So it's cute. But we didn't get so lucky with Annabelle. Annabelle's like, you and your backing.

[Ben]

Annabelle's not, she's not a happy camper. And I hope things turn out well for her. So she's like, she complains about my attitude and then the next day she's like, well, you got your attitude from me. So like, whatever mother.

[Emily]

I mean, she did. I have this angry 12 year old who's on the phone all the time and I retreat to the bedroom a lot. I mean, that's just how I parent.

[Ronnie]

But isn't that what she says about her mom? That's where it really clicked with me when she's like, growing up, my mom was in the bedroom all the time. She wouldn't pay attention to us. She never paid attention to us.

[Ben]

I definitely, definitely clocked that as well. And so then Emily's like, she has.

[Emily]

To just on the phone too much. Now excuse me while I go FaceTime with Gina.

[Ben]

So Gina's, she's FaceTime Gina.

[Emily]

And she's like, this woman has no idea what she's in for. Can you come spy for me? And if you see my daughter, you know, put in a good word for me and be like, hey, your mom is pretty cool. I don't know if you know this.

[Ben]

I'm like, let's not have this lady lie, okay?

[Ronnie]

Yeah, Gina. Yeah, Gina's very anti lying. I feel bad. But you know what? I already like the new lady better. So Shane is talking to the kids and Keller is like, I wonder who's our new mom. And he's like, she's not a new mom. She just a lady that's coming here. Yeah, she's replacing mom.

[Ben]

Yeah, well, we all, we all could take a vote at the end and see if like we want to replace her or not.

[Ronnie]

Shane's like, I don't know who their family is, but I hope the husband doesn't do crap. And she's stuck doing it all. So now let's go see to Park Ridge, New Jersey. The Vinsons.

[Ben]

Yes. And we meet Kelly and she says, my pet peeve is when we all come. When it's, when it comes to Eric. I mean, like, where do we start? Like, there's so much. And Erica's like, I'm Eric Svensson and this is my wife, Kelly Svenson. I can introduce myself. I'm Kelly Svenson and we have three children. Our 11 year old boy, Graham, 7 year old Adelaide. And then we have my youngest, Georgina. And then we Have a pig in the house. And we live on a farm. Well, it's not like really a farm. It's like I'm. We actually live in a mansion and then I have a farm in the backyard yard and probably all the neighbors love it. And I'm just like a stay at home mom who has to pick up literally all day long.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. My day literally starts at seven. I feed the chickens, feed the horses, and I take care of our children. And I get the groceries done. I do the laundry, I make dinner. My husband's a idiot, by the way, if I said that. Look at this lump of shit. This is my husband. This is who I married. You know what? So I can't even claim to be an intelligent person because I married this lug of nothing. Look at him. Look at him. If you got a suitcase and filled it with absolutely nothing, but it somehow weighed 350 pounds, that's my husband. You know what? That's different because the suitcase would actually have a handle that I could fudge this, this person. Look at him. Disgusting human being. I was like, wow, this lady hates her husband.

[Ben]

Hey, this one, I'm like, these two are going to be divorced like in a year. These, this, this marriage is not lasting. I'm saying this right now. It is not lasting, despite whatever bow they tried to put on at the end of this episode.

[Ronnie]

And they need to, you know, I say, look, if you' wife that hates your husband and you're gonna go on wife swap, this is your one chance to make your case to the court why he's terrible. I mean, we can already see kind of why. Because he's not great. I mean, I wouldn't say he's a horrible person or anything, but a lot of this, like, I don't do none of the housework. Like, you're dead to me, first of all. But like, he seems to love her, but she hates him. And this is where you need to make your case of what a piece of this guy is. And she doesn't really. She's just like. She just kind of points at him. She's like, what a loser, right?

[Ben]

It's like she's actually like, mean. Like, I was surprised. The arc of the episode is a little surprising because she's just, she hates him so much and she, you can see, she barely can tolerate his presence. So then we meet, by the way, their kids are so cute. And so Adelaide is like, mom does all the cooking, mom does the cleaning, and dad ruins everything. I was like, whoa, okay. I wonder if mom has been in the ears of these kids, you know that. That goes off to work 100. Your father ruins everything around you. If you're unhappy about something, it's because of your father.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So she's like, well, my house is very much reminiscent of, like, the English countryside. Okay. Which probably everybody in New Jersey says, but it's true. And ever since I was a little girl, I was dreamed of having this big backyard farm. And Eric loves the farm. Right, Eric? He definitely loves the farm. He better fudgeing. Love the farm. Eric loves the farm. And you know what? He's the biggest fucking cow here.

[Ben]

So I hate the farm. I never thought I'd be buying hay, you know? And like, you know when they say, make hay when the sun shines? I didn't think that was literal. And they think things like that. And paying for a vet. Oh, my God. It's crazy how much they charge. I'm effectively like a walking ATM for the family and the pig. I feel like at times I'm. But like, I'm the dad, and I have to sponsor everyone's happiness, and it's like a thankless job. Okay. Like, well, who's better trained, the pig or Eric? I don't know if I like that question.

[Ronnie]

Kelly's like, the pig, of course. He's like, yeah, well, I'm a medical director at a large health care facility, and it's a lot of work. You know, it's a stressful period. You know, I don't think I'm appreciated. Appreciate it. Yeah, he works. But I'd love for him to take more of an active role in the household, and I'd love his main role to be shutting up. That would be great. Could you take more of a role in shutting the up, Eric?

[Ben]

He's like, well, do you want to come to work and have lunch with me? And she's like, why is that so important with you? What, like spending time with your wife in the middle of the day, in the middle of your stressful day at a medical facility. You want to actually, like, have some sort of, like, breath of fresh air from someone who's supposed to love you. What? That's a crazy notion, Eric.

[Ronnie]

It would be an expression of love and care. She's like, I'm not like, your mommy coming to bring you lunch, fucking moron. Now go take a shower, please.

[Ben]

I was like, I feel like I'm supposed to hate the husband, but, like, why am I angry at her right now?

[Ronnie]

Yeah, she's not. She's a peach this one for sure. And I'm saying all of the evidence points to the husband's an. Like, everything we learn, I'm like, I would probably resent him, too and not like him either, but she's just not playing this very well. I don't.

[Ben]

Well, I mean, like, we can also see that she is. You know, it's not just like, oh, she's not just like, rude or. Or mean. It's like, it comes from. As a response to him. Right? But they're in some terrible, like, terrible feedback, negative feedback loop where she's just, like, kind of nasty. And he's like, okay. So then. But then he sort of, like, pulls away, but then that causes her to be nasty, and so they both kind of have to stop their. Their cycle.

[Ronnie]

Well, that's their.

[Ben]

Yeah, Love language.

[Ronnie]

No, but I think it starts that way where it's like, one snarky and kind of makes fun of the other one. Everything's like, oh, my husband. Am I right? Like, my parents have that dynamic growing up. My mom would be like, oh, God, my husband. What an idiot. And he doesn't do anything for the kids, you know? But she always loved my dad. They're still together, you know, they still love each other. But now, as years have gone on, to watch with that kind of used to be funny banter, you know, like, look at. My idiot husband is now like, you, Eddie.

[Kaylee]

You know, it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Ronnie]

And if you even say anything to her, like, God, that's really harsh. Like, the other day I called and I was like, hey, just calling to see how you're doing. She goes, eddie, Eddie. I said, get the plate. Get the plate, Eddie. It's right there, Eddie, are you fucking blind? God damn it, Eddie. It's. I get it right there. Why do I have to do every thing for you? By the way, Ronnie, we didn't get anything for our anniversary from you. Did you send us anything? I was like, what do you want me to send you, a gun? I'm like, jesus Christ, I didn't marry him. But, you know, to her, that's just like, the way they talk. I think it just. It starts little, and then it snowballs into this terrible, like, emotionally abusive thing. And when you're in it, I don't think you can see it unless other. Even when other people say it. Because she starts crying when she's called out at the end, and she's like, oh, my God, I don't even know.

[Emily]

How to stop this, you know?

[Ben]

Yeah. Yeah. So Eric is like, I just want to be acknowledged, you know, because she does give the animals a lot of kisses. And maybe I'll put a horse head or something on, and then she'll give me a big hug and a kiss. I don't know. I think we see, like, a video of her, like, being like, oh, all the animals. But then with him, he's like. She's like, like, squirting like, Windex in his face. Oh, yeah.

[Ronnie]

It's like the lady you see with the dog in the home goods. He's like, come on, my little honey.

[Emily]

Call me my sweet little baby.

[Ronnie]

And you're like, oh, excuse me. I was here first. Go around.

[Ben]

And she was like, later on, a pigeon lands on her table. And she's like, so much more friendly and affectionate towards that pigeon than she ever is to this man. She's like, hi, love, how are you? And this guy's like, hey, get out of my face.

[Ronnie]

Get on my face, you stinky fucking monster. So she's like, well, I'm doing a swap because I hope that Eric learns how much I actually do around the house and keep it nice and smooth so that he can walk in, have his dinner, his fresh undies, without lifting a single finger.

[Ben]

Yeah. And by the way, what's all. He just goes, what's up?

[Ronnie]

Burn.

[Kaylee]

Burn.

[Ben]

And just. Adelaide, did you finish your homework? Like, yeah, I did. You guys, I'm gonna find out where I'm going. And so the girl's like, I'm guessing Utah. Where are you going to? Like, please give us Meredith Marks, please. Meredith Marks.

[Ronnie]

Icon.

[Ben]

Yes, icon.

[Ronnie]

Mother.

[Ben]

But she's going to Orange County, California. She's like, I wonder who I'm trading with. And he's like. And she's like, oh, you're screwed if it's Terry de Bro. Let's just say that's. Let's just say that, okay? Because, like, that's the guy that's going to take me in a Ferrari with the gray hair all around. I'm be living the high life. Then it's, poor girl.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, that's it. That's your biggest dream? To be riding around in a Ferrari with fucking Mama Elsa over there. And Kaylee's like, that's your worst nightmare, right, honey? And he's like, my worst nightmare is you going across the country to live with another man for a week.

[Kaylee]

God.

[Ronnie]

I, like, ignored. I like knowing when I'm being ignored because you're coming in here saying, I'm ignoring you. Okay, but, like, actually being ignored. I don't know how I feel about that.

[Ben]

Oh, she's like, I've never left Eric alone without three children my whole life. It's frightening.

[Ronnie]

Just like frightening.

[Ben]

Like I. Like I pray for him. So then the preacher's asking the kids how they think their dad will do, and Graham is like, probably not that good.

[Ronnie]

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[Kaylee]

I'm going to New Jersey. Where's Park Ridge?

[Ronnie]

And Annabelle goes in New Jersey.

[Ben]

She's coming along so well with the sarcasm.

[Emily]

Okay, well, I'm thinking Jersey. I hope that they have a dog because I decided I'm a dog person now. At least one dog. That would make me feel more at home because you don't have houses like this in Orange County. Look, I'm driving through New Jersey. Look at these houses. Oh, is it a farm? It's a farm. Does that mean it's a real farm?

[Kaylee]

Whoa.

[Ronnie]

Who she has dogs, Emily.

[Ben]

I know, but, like, she. She's making dogs her personality now. Like, it used to be that she just had Fisker, but now she's like, fostering dogs and everything. She's sort of going down the Kyle Richards, you know, path of like, I'm a dog person now.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So Kaylee's like, well, I cannot believe I'm gonna be get to be able to be a housewife. Like, I mean, everyone has to have a brain trove for a G wagon, right? No, sorry. You're going to Emily's house the only way. This would be worse if you were going to Gina's house. They're like, oh, my God. You get to do your grocery shopping on this bicycle.

[Ben]

Okay, so one thing that I tell my kids is every day, you've got to put a brick in the bedroom. So that way we can finally finish the wall between the bunk beds.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

So, Emily.

[Emily]

I was like, wow, there's so many horses. Very unquestionable. Oh, my God, there's a pig inside. There's a freaking pig in here. Oh, God. That's better than a dog. Oh, my God. You're a pig. Why? Hi. Do you have a name? Big. Do you have a name? Oh, my gosh. Show me around, Big. This is. This is so hilarious. Me with a pig. Oh, my God, there's crocs. Oh, no.

[Ronnie]

She loves a pig, hates the crocs, which I loved. And that pig is very cute.

[Ben]

I love that cute pig.

[Ronnie]

And he's so sweet. But I like that she disses the pig.

[Kaylee]

She's like, oh, I thought the pig would be softer. It's so wiry.

[Ronnie]

What are you judging the pig for? It probably felt the same thing about you. Just get in here. It's a pig's house.

[Emily]

Also, I thought you were raised on a farm.

[Ben]

I feel like that's, like, known like a pig is wiry. Like that. I'm asleep.

[Ronnie]

I don't know about her all raised on a farm thing, because she doesn't seem to know what she's doing. Like, when she has to clean poop.

[Kaylee]

And she's like, oh, I never had to do this on a farm.

[Ronnie]

So everybody wants to clean on a farm, Emily. I don't.

[Ben]

Yeah. Kelly walks into Emily's house, and she's like, okay, look, so maybe we're in the servants quarters before we get to the main Debo household, right? Like, this is just. We're not in the full. We're just. We're just walking into the compound, and then soon we'll get the atrium, right?

[Kaylee]

Oh.

[Ben]

Oh, it's Emily. Oh, okay.

[Ronnie]

Heather's like, I like her. I like her. She'd cast her. I think it's funny because usually on this show, it's the housewives walking into the other women's houses, and they're, ew, gross. This. I don't know if I can live like this. But now it's the. It's the wife swap lady who's like, oh, my God, on tv, these places look big. This is actually a shoebox. Am I supposed to live in here? What is this, the Pottery Barn? I mean, God.

[Ben]

I mean, honestly, what's. What doesn't really get articulated is the fact that, like, this woman's house is actually quite large. She has a full size. She has a mansion in New Jersey, and that's like, the farm that they have is like one of these kind of hobby farms in the back, right? Because they have a mansion. They have all that space. And then they go into em. She goes into Emily's kind of like little McMansion that's wedged in with other Lego pieces of this. Of the neighborhood. And she's like, oh, okay. But one thing that was interesting that I've never noticed in Emily's house before, maybe I just haven't paid attention. Shocker to Emily's is that Emily has this whole living room with, like, a grand piano and, like, a high ceiling. I feel like we never see that room. I feel like we're only in the kitchen and the area with the sofas that are just off of the kitchen. I had no idea she had a tacky living room too.

[Ronnie]

That's where she does her confessionals. There's always a piano behind her. I remember I was like, that's like the least musical person I've could ever imagine. But she's got a beautiful grand piano. Could you just imagine?

[Kaylee]

Emily singles a song Piano Man.

[Ronnie]

I'm like, please, no, God.

[Emily]

Under Pressure.

[Ben]

I don't know why she's saying, I meant to sing Pressure by Billy Joel, but instead I sang Under Pressure by Queen and David Bowie.

[Ronnie]

So she talks about growing up on 12 acres, riding horses, bareback. That's how she was raised. But there's also a goat in there, and her shoes are destroyed. Even though she knew she was coming to a farm.

[Kaylee]

She's like, my shoes are destroyed.

[Ronnie]

So I didn't see these shoes. But I've seen a lot of your shoes. And being covered in shit can only help.

[Ben]

Also, like Kaylee is. I do love this because she says, well, this place is not really my style. I mean, I like it. If she likes it, I like it. I mean, there's not a lot of stories being told in the design of this house. It feels like I just kind of walked into a Pottery Barn. Don't want to judge, though. Like, every. Every woman who's gone into a Real Housewives home so far has kind of said the same thing. But this is the one that feels like it burns more because the other two homes, it was like, oh, we're just in this, like, these gleaming white houses where we feel like it's like it's. It's. There's nothing should be touched. But here's the one where Kaylee actually says like, the furnishings are just kind of like mid tier consumer. I mean, I know Pottery Barn is expensive, but for a real housewife, it should be like way above Pottery Barn. I was like, I just love that she just took it to a Pottery Barn.

[Ronnie]

The shade.

[Ben]

Yeah. Not even. Not even. What's it called? Crate and Barrel.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. She's like, this is ugly. Period.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

So let's see. So now they read their notes to each other, write their letters. And she's like, well, first, let me introduce you to my family. This is my husband of 16 years. He comes off as very sarcastic and snarky and I guess that's Emily's letter to Kaylee. And she's like, yeah, that sounds familiar. They share kid responsibilities and so Kaylee's jealous of that and she's like, I would say that my husband does more than me. She's like, oh my God, really? How do you find one of those? God, this is the first episode of the show ever where someone is going to be jealous of having Shane as a husband.

[Ben]

I know, honestly.

[Emily]

Okay, what does she say? She says, morning start at 7am the horses, goats, pigs, chickens get fed. Ask Adelaide.

[Ben]

Excuse me, I did not consent to having my daughter being on the show.

[Emily]

No different. Adelaide chatted. Go back to Orange County. Okay. Ask Adelaide, not Eric. Okay.

[Kaylee]

Men are stupid. Don't ever ask the boys to do anything around here.

[Emily]

So to clean the barn, please use a trash can and get all the poop. And don't let Eric make you do everything. He needs to be a better partner. I think she's been catering to him for a long time. So then how do you switch that? Enter me, Emily from Orange County.

[Ronnie]

So then. And the other letter. Annabelle's 12. She's feral and sassy and it's impossible to get through to her because she's on her phone all the time. So if you can break through her tough exterior and find a way to communicate with her and bond with her, I'd love that. In other words, take a hammer to the phone.

[Ben]

So the Spence the Svensons arrive and I guess the dad's probably still at work. So instead the kids come in and they're really cute. And then Kaylee's mom, Sue arrives. She goes, hi, I'm sue, but they call me Papa. Just in case you get confused. I'll let you work that one out. I was like, why do we. Why are we not getting. Why are we not going deeper on that? Why is sue called Papa?

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I don't know, but I liked her, Sue. I needed more of her.

[Kaylee]

And Emma's like, okay, well, what's the pig's name? Because your mom called him Piggy.

[Ronnie]

His name is Pikachu. So now we go to Shane. And Shane's like, well, I'm gonna make dinner for the kids. She's like, well, can I help? And he's like, no, I'll get it. She's like, oh, my God, Are you sure? You've not met my husband, but he doesn't do that. Do you work out? Were you doing push ups? Oh, my God. Could you do this in a towel? I love you. Can I move in here? Please? Just take me.

[Ben]

What time, what time is dinner for you guys? And I was like, I just eat.

[Kaylee]

Okay.

[Ben]

By the way, Kaylee seems terrified of these children. The entire episode, she's like tiptoeing around like, hey, guys. So Kaylee's like, in our house, we eat dinner every night at five o'. Clock. And I think the biggest thing that bonds family are those traditions. I'm like, wow, five o' clock is so early.

[Ronnie]

But I know really important for your children to see you be rating their father at dinner all together. Because otherwise, you know, you know, stories get twisted. You know, I just want them all to be there.

[Ben]

So then Shane is like, okay, so it's Friday and we're gonna go out to dinner, just you and I. And these kids can figure out how to take care of themselves while we're out. She's like, what? Seriously? No, they have a babysitter. I mean, do you know about the King of Snarkasm thing? It's kind of my thing.

[Ronnie]

No.

[Ben]

Okay, let me, let me take it back here. We got music.

[Ronnie]

Okay, go ahead.

[Ben]

Oh, yeah, yeah, we got. Yeah, we're going out.

[Ronnie]

We're gonna go out to dinner. Go ahead.

[Ben]

We're gonna go to. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna go to a place called PF Changs. It's very fancy.

[Kaylee]

I'm gonna ask him if they could do non Chinese food and only a grilled chicken breast.

[Ronnie]

So then Emily's rule. Friday, date night.

[Ben]

Friday date night has to happen. Like, I do have to say, this episode has been. Has been really good for Shane. Shane really is coming in like a night in shining armor in this. In this entire show.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, he really is. So. She's like, but seriously, we're going to dinner. And he goes, you do eat dinner, don't you? She's like, yeah, but my husband and I, we never go out. So that's like, you know, that's crazy. He's not going to be happy to see that on tv. I'm telling you right now, me in a restaurant, a real restaurant, People are going to come over to me and take my order. Oh, my God. Can I call one of them? Honey, just ask him how his day will work and then tell him to shut up, that we don't care. Great.

[Ben]

To be fair, we're just going across the street to my mom's house, but she pretends to be a waitress and serves us food. But it's real fun. You'll like it.

[Ronnie]

And she's like, wow, Shane cooks and cleans. I didn't think husbands exist like that, but apparently they do. Apparently they do.

[Ben]

So now Kaylee's rule. Muck the barn daily. So sue is like, you haven't mucked a bond before?

[Emily]

And she's like, oh, yeah, I'm from Ohio. I grew up with horses.

[Ben]

Okay, so then you're. Okay, so, yeah, take this rake.

[Emily]

She's like, yeah, but I've been in Orange county for a long time, so it's. You know, it's so dirty in there. I don't know what to do.

[Ben]

Like, take a pitchfork. Okay. And call me papa.

[Emily]

Oh, okay. You keep telling me that. I. I got you.

[Kaylee]

So we're just supposed to get the dirty hay out?

[Ronnie]

She goes, yep.

[Kaylee]

Okay.

[Ronnie]

And also the manure.

[Kaylee]

Oh, there's so much poop. I'm cool with cows and horses, but this isn't what I envisioned.

[Ronnie]

Well, do you think they have toilets? Think they have smart toilets? Get in there.

[Ben]

I know. So Kaylee is like, annabelle, do you want to come help me with my makeup for, like, a hot second? I'm the cool mom now. She's like, no. Oh, okay. What am I doing? What did I sign myself up for?

[Emily]

I don't know what to do with this brat.

[Ronnie]

So back at the other house, Emily's exhausted from the poop cleanup.

[Kaylee]

She's like, oh, I haven't worked in 16 years like this.

[Ronnie]

So they ask the kids, what's the hardest thing for Emily to be like their mom. And Graham, the little smart ass, is like, managing my dad. That's the biggest one. He's really dumb.

[Ben]

Managing my dad. That kid's saying, managing my dad, that's. I love that. So then Eric comes home. He's like, hey. Hey. I've heard a lot about you.

[Emily]

Oh, I've never met someone from the. Oh, sorry. I was speaking for you. Sorry, that wasn't part of the rules.

[Ben]

Yeah, I've never met someone from the OC Before. Oh.

[Emily]

So what should we do after dinner?

[Ben]

Well, we go for walks as a family. We walk down the street a lot, and sometimes we take the horse, which everyone loves. They say, God, I love taking a walk also through all the horseshit that that other family leads around.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Kaylee]

All right, let's put our shoes on.

[Ronnie]

So they go for a walk, and they have to get the horse haltered up because they walk the horse. And she's like, oh, you guys are doing the horse halter, right? And it's like, yeah, Adelaide, you do the halter. I don't. I don't do the halter. I don't do that. The kids do it. So she's like, I know how to do it. I know how to do it. And then they open the gate, and the horse just runs off. And it's not haltered. Like, damn it. You just.

[Ben]

The horse is like, I'm going to Orange County. So, Tamara horse, you'll never see me again.

[Ronnie]

I take his wife out to dinner Nois County. I'm out of here, bitches.

[Kaylee]

12 years.

[Ronnie]

12 years this family's been tormenting me. You'll never see me again, bitch. So they have to go catch a horse, and it's not so hard. And they're like, emily, get on the horse. Get on it.

[Kaylee]

She's like, oh, God.

[Ronnie]

So then they halter the horse, and Emily's like, oh, my God. I've been here five minutes, and I'm already having the man handle the horse. You know, met Eric, and I don't know him very well, but he clearly.

[Kaylee]

Does not know how to handle animals, even though he has a whole bunch of them in his backyard.

[Ben]

Boy, if you didn't wrangle in the horse back there, it would have been a crisis. Like, that horse wasn't going to go anywhere. That horse was. It was like, I'm just here for the carrots. Like, I'm. I'm just running around. But, like, you show me a carrot, and I am in your palm, lady.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. How are you going to lose a horse? They're pretty big. And also, they always come back for sugar cubes.

[Ben]

Like, horse, they want the carrots. They're in it. I love the carrots. Give me the carrots. Come on, give me the carrots. I swear. Okay, this is my last one. And then I'm. I will never have a carrot again. But I just need this one last one. This one last carrot. Come on, now. So Emily is like, well, I get.

[Emily]

I like that. The goats are eating your neighbor's shrubbery. Should we apologize to House or should we move on?

[Ben]

He's like, yeah, I think we should just move on before the police are called on us. Okay. And then, of course, the horse starts to poop.

[Emily]

Oh, no.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, that's what. That's the thing about walking a horse. They're gonna poop big old loads of them. So then we go to date night with Shane and Kaylee, and she's like, oh, my God, date night. I haven't been on a date night in a long time. I'm just gonna be boring. I'm just gonna do cheese pizza. Is that okay? Can I have the kids portion? That's what my husband allows me to have. Oh, my God. God, I can't believe we're here.

[Ben]

I mean, honestly, this lady, so obvious. Like, I feel like before she even made it to Orange County, I'd be like, this is a plain cheese pizza girl. That's just what she is. I say that as someone who often orders a plain cheese slice.

[Ronnie]

I was gonna say I'm not gonna speak because I'm literally a cheese pizza person. That's all I eat.

[Ben]

It's just surprising that coming from New Jersey, I thought she'd be like, can you put some, like, a pepperon? But then again, she wants her house to look like the English countryside, not the Italian countryside. So we already know that, like, she's. She's a little different than a normal Jerseyite.

[Ronnie]

So Kelly eats pizza normally. I think that's why she's like, oh, my God, Can I get the cheese pizza? This is crazy. I'm having carbs because I feel like she'. You know, she's the mom who eats, like, a couple of bites at dinner and then kind of looks judgmentally her children as they eat more. And she's like, well, you know, I wish we could learn to eat how I'm eating. Look at these two bites.

[Ben]

I would love to do this more with Eric. It just seems so overwhelming. My husband, he works so much, and he wants this traditional housewife and somebody that just stays at home. And, like, the tricky part is that I still feel guilty that I don't financially bring. I'm not bringing in any income. I'm like, well, that's because you decided that you had this dream of having a farm in the backyard, and now you have to spend all day taking care of it. And, like, you're miserable with your own dream. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

To be like, you know what dream? You suck. I'm getting a different Dream. You don't have to commit to your dream. You don't have to marry and get a different dream, you know?

[Ben]

Yeah, donate. Donate the. The animals to a local. Like, I don't know, eat the horse. Guess what? Tonight you're French, you're eating the horse. She's like, I wish I had. I wish. I'm not bringing any money in. I feel bad. It's like, lady, because you are spending 12 hours a day attending to your hobby farm beyond.

[Ronnie]

You know what? I think that people who are staying at home, taking care of three kids have absolutely zero reason to feel bad about staying home. I mean, that's hard work for two seconds. I'm a good night. Goodbye. Great seeing you. I'm exhausted. Goodbye. Get out of my house. Get out of my life. Okay, Call me. Call me for your graduation. I'll send a gift.

[Ben]

Oh, I agree. I'm just saying, like, she's also added the voluntary, you know, farm dream onto it. And it's like, you, you have to then at certain point be realistic. Like, and I, I don't say that she shouldn't feel guilty because I understand, like, she wants to be an active participant and bring in the money. But it's like, you're either gonna be like, you're either gonna be tending to this farm all day long or you're gonna do some sort of business or monetize or whatever. But, like, whatever you're doing right now, it's like, I don't know, maybe reconsider the farm part. That's all I'm saying.

[Ronnie]

Well, I think having the single income family sounds good a lot of the times, like, I'm going to do this old school. I'm going to stay home. We're going to have a single income. But you don't realize that when you have another income coming in, you can be like, we're going to dinner every Friday night. You know, like, you don't get to just say because you earn the money that we're not going to dinner. It's like that power that somebody else has that's really gross. So you have to do at least something, just earn dinner money. That's what I say. However you do it. Only fans.

[Kaylee]

I don't care.

[Ben]

Only farms.

[Ronnie]

That's probably a thing people like, I jerked off your horse today. Well, it's good.

[Ben]

Well, that is what I mean. There is a. There is that site like Farmer Meets lady or something, which I think ultimately brought the McBees into our world. So, Kaylee, right? Because he wasn't he on like farmer meets wife. So Kaylee is saying like, well, it goes back, you know, you're. You're hoping Emily's gonna come back with anything different for a different perspective on anything. He's like, yeah, you gave me some hope because Eric doesn't do anything. Isn't that funny? It's like, yeah, I would like it if Emily came home and said thank you more and some sort of recognition for the things I do. Yeah, I would like that. Shane just wants a thank you.

[Ronnie]

So he's like, you're going to bed without putting the kids to bed? And she's like, oh my God, that's so weird. Like, it's. I'm just gonna be walking circles in my room like, what do I myself, what do I do with myself? Why does this house have no style, etc. Etc. You know what I'm saying?

[Ben]

Pottery Barn, you know, you just can't style your place like Pottery Barn and not have animals too. It's really hard on me, so. Shame.

[Ronnie]

Emily is putting her kids to bed. Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

[Ben]

Yeah, no, no, go ahead.

[Ronnie]

So Emily's putting her kids to bed and Eric's. Then Eric's trying to put his kids to bed, you know, and they tell Adelaide it's 8:12 and she's like, so.

[Emily]

How about we just put your pajamas on? Let's get ready for that.

[Ben]

Haley's rule. Mommy does bedtime alone. So Emily's like, okay, everyone, where's Graham?

[Emily]

Georgina, you go there, you put your pajamas on. Oh my God. You do this. Oh my God. Kids are in bed, but it's 9:30 and they're already out. This is hard.

[Ben]

So she's basically like trying to herd cats, but she has no help from Eric on this front.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, Eric doesn't help do shit. So, you know, I do see where Kaylee's coming from. As for being a Nordicist person, because I don't care if you work all day, you still need to.

[Emily]

She's working all day too.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, she's working too.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

So yeah, he's. He's useless. But also Emily is not. You can tell that Emily's a useless one too, because she's like, oh my.

[Kaylee]

God, it's so hard. There's traches. You have to put them to bed.

[Ben]

So now it's Saturday morning and Emily has to make breakfast. But guess what? Shane makes breakfast over in Orange county. And Kelly's like, I feel like I've woken up in a hotel, a very small hotel with bad interior design. But A hotel nonetheless feels good.

[Ronnie]

I mean, it's the best Western, but a hotel's a hotel. Am I right?

[Ben]

This is not the worst Western.

[Ronnie]

Midwestern, mid. You want some waffles? And she's like, I would love a waffle. Thank you so much. This is so lovely. So then in the other house, Emily's gonna help feed the horses. And she's matching the kid's outfit. It's really cute. So Kaylee's rule, collect chicken eggs. So they start doing that, and she asks the names of all the chickens. And Adelaide's like, we don't name them.

[Kaylee]

She goes, you gotta name em.

[Ronnie]

Well, we don't name things that we eat.

[Kaylee]

Name Em. Come on. I mean, every year on our show, we get someone new to hunt, and we still name them. Okay. Okay. What's this one right over here? The one named Tamara? You gotta. You gotta fan that one.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, this one.

[Emily]

Hey, is this. Look at that. That chicken? Did that chicken just get baptized? It really is a Tamra chicken. Oh, and look, there's a fancy chicken.

[Ben]

What was shocking is, like, how they put side by side images. And the chickens really did look like the Real Housewives. Like, there was one of Heather. It was like a black and white chicken. And then they cut to a shot of Heather wearing a black and white dress. It just. She looked just like the little chicken.

[Kaylee]

We'll call her Fancy Pan Soul. And this one's named Shannon because it just got pulled over. That one keeps flipping the house.

[Ben]

Call it Shannon Chicken running into the cage.

[Emily]

Wait a second. That chicken just put the other chicken in a size 10 Susan Bender Jean jacket. No.

[Ronnie]

There was one that's lost all its feathers, and it used to be named Moon.

[Kaylee]

And she's like, well, that tracks a lot. You have no idea.

[Emily]

Commercials.

[Ben]

Here comes one right now.

[Ronnie]

So she asked who the kids spend more time with, the mom or the dad? And Adelaide's like, with mom. Cause every Monday, we horseback ride, and afterwards, back riding, we go to the dinner.

[Emily]

Oh, do you wish you spent more time with dad?

[Ronnie]

Yeah, a little bit.

[Emily]

Does he stay in his office a lot? Do you wish he came out and, like, did more fun things with kids?

[Ben]

And your mom, Emily, you're leading the witness.

[Ronnie]

She does it the whole episode. Every time she talks to them, she's like, whoa.

[Kaylee]

Do you just wish your family was different? Your father made more effort?

[Ben]

She's like, okay. So then Eric's like, hey, you guys doing okay? You guys wanna. You guys gonna have some lunch? All right, good luck. I'll be in the office. Tell me how that lunch turns out for you.

[Emily]

Okay.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Emily]

Well, here's a can of soup.

[Ben]

I was like, this is the first house wife swap we've seen of the three where I. I'm not feeling warm tingles. Like Melissa Gorga. Melissa Gorga last week did it. And she was like. It's like, you know what? Melissa Gorga. She's really expressing so much warmth. And, like, Emily definitely was warm on this episode, but there was something about.

[Emily]

Her being like, here, kid, you want lunch? Here's a can of soup.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

And I know kids eat cans of soup. I know that. But there just was something, like, a little sad about this one, right? There's a sadness. And on both fronts.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Yeah. It was definitely a more depressing vibe on this one.

[Kaylee]

So she's like, I'm making this lunch for the kids. I mean, I use a can opener and pour it into a bowl. And Eric just watches me.

[Ronnie]

Like, well, did you need help with the can opener?

[Ben]

Yeah, seriously. Geez. Like, the Meredith Marks household. They all have to put a hand on it. Like, yeah.

[Ronnie]

So she says he's gonna have a rude awakening when she changes the rules. Now it's three hours until rule change, and guess who's here to visit Gina. She's like, oh, my God, you're such a beautiful replacement family.

[Ben]

Yeah. Oh, my God, you guys are like, green. Welcome, everyone. So you're from Jersey. Oh, my God. You're like, my people. I'm from, like, New York. I figured we'd go down to the marina and get coffee. Have you ever gotten coffee before, Kelly?

[Ronnie]

She's like, oh, my God.

[Ben]

Wow.

[Ronnie]

We do that. We're allowed to leave the house for coffee. Your husband lets you do that?

[Ben]

Yeah, because what we do is we go to coffee and then we sit down and then I yell at you. It's gonna be so fun.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, let's go to coffee. And Gina's like, oh, my God, I'm gonna start saying coffee now.

[Kaylee]

So.

[Ben]

So they go. And Kaylee's like, I'm like a stay at home mom. So it's like, I do, like, everything. Oh, my God. I understand. Because I used to live that life. Like, do you? Like, now I'm like a realtor, and I like, sell, like, high power realtor homes and stuff to, like, seniors who are looking for a really, really nice two bedroom in a senior living development. So, like, I understand that life that I used to have.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. It's like, yeah, like, you're a stay at home mom. I'm Like a stay homeless mom. So, like, I got it. It's, like, really difficult, and she's like, oh, my God. You know, I just don't get to be social. And, you know, I'm usually talking to the pig who's eating lunch next to me, so conversation doesn't go great. Oh, my God. You talk to pig. That's crazy. But, like, we could do better than that, you know, because, like, my partner now, he's, like, my partner. Like, he's my soulmate. He's my everything. He's got big balls. But, like, you know why it doesn't take away from me always wanting to, like, lean into myself, which is, like, really hard. Because I'm like, ow, my rib. Because I'll be like, you know, and it hurts. Don't lean into yourself. I learned that one. But you should go to coffee every once in a while. I hope I taught you something. It's like, I can go to coffee. You can? Yeah. You can get it. You can buy it.

[Ben]

Yeah. It's like, the same as getting sloshed, but it's, like, with coffee instead, it's, like, really fun. Oh, wow. That's such an interesting perspective. That's like. That's interesting. Getting coffee, like, the last. You know. You know, it's funny. The last person I do is I. I never please myself. Yeah. You know, it's like you. You have to have yourself backed into a corner. Yeah. Like babies in the corner. Oh, my God. I got to make a joke. I never get to joke with Eric. That's so funny. Wow.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So then Emily's like, family meeting.

[Kaylee]

All right. Since I've been here, we've been living by your mom's rules. So now we're gonna switch it up. I'm going to bed.

[Ronnie]

Bye. That's time for Emily's rules.

[Ben]

Yes. And then. And then we also see Kaylee's rules, and she goes, okay, everyone, before we start anything, I just want to say my rules about being present and being together as a family. Rule number one is we're limiting the screen time. Annabelle's like, okay.

[Ronnie]

Annabelle's not happy about that. Yeah, no screen time. And I'd love to see your kids actually engaging and going outside to be active. I'm just like, and then maybe we could do something together. Annabelle's head starts twisting around.

[Kaylee]

I know.

[Ben]

Pea soup is everywhere. Shane's like, annabelle, are you gonna survive? Well, I'll see how it's going. Huh's like, okay, everyone, all my rules.

[Emily]

Are gonna help you be a More present Dad. Rule number one, dad now has to take care of the animals.

[Ben]

He's like, oh, God, why does everybody hate me?

[Kaylee]

Rule number two, dad does bedtime. Dad puts you to bed, and he's.

[Ronnie]

Like, oh, my God, you could. One of the kids is like, you could choose fast to go to bed at 10. And he's like, how about six, seven?

[Ben]

Like, okay, deal.

[Emily]

And, Georgina, I still want to have a dance party first. Oh, I'm fun.

[Ben]

So then back to Orange County. Kelly's like, you know, my daughter Adelaide and I always cook together. So, Annabelle, like, you know, maybe you'll help me in the kitchen, right? Won't you? Won't you please?

[Emily]

Will you please do it? Is she mad at me? Is she mad at me?

[Ben]

She's like, yeah. Can you assist in helping dinner, Annabelle? I only know how to make Kraft Mac and Cheese.

[Ronnie]

Don't talk with your mouth fall. Okay, well, having dinner is a way to sit down. And you know what? I'd love every. Each and one of you. That's when we say that. Okay. And I'd love to be able to sit down as a family. Can we do that? They're like.

[Ben]

Sit down, family. What?

[Emily]

Okay, rule number three, everyone. And this is very important.

[Kaylee]

Eric.

[Ben]

It's like, oh, God. These. This is not all the rules are just for me. It's for no one else.

[Emily]

Yeah, you get to play to plan a date night tonight for us.

[Ben]

Oh, wow.

[Emily]

You have to cook something.

[Ben]

Emily. The whole point is that he doesn't take her out. Have him take you out to a restaurant in New Jersey.

[Ronnie]

Why would you want a man who knows how to do nothing to cook for you? Which just sounds like a terrible dinner. Make him buy you something. Yeah.

[Ben]

Go out to get some nice Italian food. You're there, and he's like, I can't even make cereal.

[Ronnie]

Oh.

[Ben]

And the daughter just slaps him. He's like, oh, what was that for? Okay, this will be interesting.

[Emily]

New rules are right now.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Okay. So she's like, wow, it feels amazing.

[Kaylee]

To be doing nothing. Like, can everyone just go away? Why are these kids asking me questions? Oh, by the way, I have to keep my purse next to me because the pig likes to root through it. Does Louis Vuitton repair? Bags of a pig chewed on it.

[Ronnie]

And then we see the pig chewing on her purse and, like. Like going through it and actually pulling stuff out, which is really funny, but, you know, like, I've said you keep burritos in there. Of course the pig's gonna get into it. What do you think?

[Ben]

Yeah. And Eric is, he's like, he's working in the, he's working in the sty. And he's like, how do you guys do this every day? And his son is like, you should ask her. With 20 years of bond experience, you got the easy part, dad. What's easy? There's nothing easy. How about whoever goes there first does this pile? Let's race through the pink. Nothing bad could ever happen.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. False in the pig set. Crazy. Dad. No.

[Ben]

And the kid goes, you're so fat. He's like, help.

[Ronnie]

I broke my ribs. Were you leaning into yourself? So they helped the dad. And then back in oc, they're making, they're cutting sausage. Annabelle and Kaylee. And she, she does it and she's like, oh my God, Katie cut a sausage. This is amazing. I've taught this family so much. And back with Eric, Eric's like, is this where the pans have been this whole time? We keep pans here. Wow. Crazy.

[Ben]

Yeah. Daddy, do you know how to cook? He's like, I got no idea. Oh no, I just got ground beef in my eye.

[Emily]

Oh no.

[Ben]

Please just order. Just get order. Takeout please.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I can't see nothing. So then Kaylee's new rule, family dinner. Okay, so now it's Shane's family that comes over. Oh my God. You have to cook for the family too. That's a lot.

[Ben]

Oh God, it's Perry and Larry. Perry and Larry come over and so does Tara. So they're all there and it's. And Kaylee's like, oh my God, this is like amazing. It's just like west coast version of papa. Oh, you mean your dad? No, my mom. Okay, it doesn't make sense to us, but okay, whatever.

[Ronnie]

It's okay. Don't worry. My daughter in law invited me to a strip show in Vegas while she was a stripper. For support. So who am I to judge? That's right, Perry. Could you wait, could you repeat that? And Perry's like, this pasta looks so good. And what buttery is it? Is it buttery? I don't know.

[Ben]

Annabelle's like, stupid grandmother. So Shane is like, okay, well thank you boys for helping. Now we can talk badly about you while you're gone, right Luke? Hahaha. King of snarkasm in the making.

[Ronnie]

He's like, how dare you? So then Annabelle's like, I don't even care what we have for dinner. I just don't like screen time limitations. It's annoying. How am I supposed to tell how stupid this dinner is.

[Ben]

So now they're back to New Jersey, and they make the. They make dinner and the. The. So Emily and Eric sit in the dinner. In the dining room table, and the kids come in and they're cute because they're acting like they're waiters and waitresses. And Adelaide's like, hello, welcome to the glorious restaurant. Tonight we're going to be serving you lasagna cups and Caesar salad.

[Emily]

I love that.

[Ronnie]

And they've named the restaurant Glorious, which is so funny.

[Kaylee]

She's like, glorious.

[Ben]

Perfect.

[Ronnie]

So Eric's like, okay, date night. I almost broke my neck out there, you know, like, cleaning poop. But I was thinking to myself, like, I can't believe my wife does this every day. God.

[Emily]

Do you think that maybe there's something holding you back from putting more effort and around the house? Maybe we should blame her, huh?

[Ben]

He's like. He's like, yeah, that's it. It's not that I don't have the dedication or that I. It's not that I don't have just. It's not that I'm a lazy. It's just that, you know, I don't think I'm appreciated, you know. You know, Kaylee comes in, sitting down with me and watching basket. I just wanted to watch her to watch basketball with me for 10 minutes. I mean, to me, it makes me happy, which in turn will get me more motivated to be around the family. I think, okay, this is like a.

[Ronnie]

Very much like a way to do nothing and then insist that everything be on your terms. I'm like, what? What? What? You can't sit and watch basketball with me. What? You can't clean some cow one day?

[Ben]

Clean some cow? Like, you both have to do the things, and then you both will get to do the things, but you're just.

[Ronnie]

Doing a bunch of stuff you don't want to do for each other. Doesn't it sound fun?

[Ben]

Yeah. And if you both wait for the. For one person to do the first thing first, you're never. You're just gonna be sitting there where she'll be angry at you. Because we didn't even talk about that. When she left to do her wife swap thing, she kissed all the children and refused to kiss him on the. Like, on the lips or the cheek or anything.

[Emily]

She.

[Ben]

He, like, hugged her and she turned away, which was pretty bad. But he's definitely doing that thing that we see on below deck a lot where people were like, the shitty worker is like, I'm not a bad worker. It's just that, like, my boss doesn't, like, motivate me to work, so they're not like, if I had a better leader. Yeah, I'm not inspired. He's like, yeah, I would help out more, but she doesn't inspire me. So I just sit in the office and I do nothing.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And I think she does the same thing where she's like, well, I'm not gonna kiss him because he's not a good husband. But, like, you guys have to, you know, you have to tell each other this stuff. I mean, I'm not married. I know this stuff. This is, like, a simple one. And Emily's like, well, let me just.

[Kaylee]

Wait through the bs, okay? There's probably obligations to you where that you have to, you know, go to your office. But also, I think you go in there as in.

[Ronnie]

As an escape.

[Kaylee]

Do you not.

[Ben]

Do you know, is it hot in here or what? What's going on? It's getting a little hot in here.

[Emily]

Oh, no.

[Ben]

What?

[Kaylee]

So you feel resolve. Yeah. You feel resentment because you're not appreciated, and you wish she had more gratitude and affection towards you for all the hard work to support her dreams. Dawn nailed it. Both guilty.

[Ben]

Emily basically is doing the same thing she does on. On Orange county, which is like, here's.

[Emily]

The storyline we're gonna go with today. Katie talks about talks to bloggers, so let's write her off. Okay, Gretchers.

[Ben]

So Emily's like, yeah, so you wish.

[Emily]

You had more gratitude and affection coming towards you and for all the hard work to support her dreams.

[Ben]

Oh, my God. It's like you stole the thoughts out of my brain. Which is funny because they weren't there in the first place. It's more like you just put ones in. In there instead.

[Emily]

Okay, well, let me just play the devil's advocate for a minute. All the animals are because Kaylee wants animals. Right? You don't want animals, Right?

[Ronnie]

He's like, oh, my God, like a hundred percent. That's not my passion. But Kaylee's passion has become my passion in a lot of ways.

[Kaylee]

Okay, but is it really your passion? Because clearly you want to make her happy, but your dream isn't to have goats and pigs walking around the house, but you let it happen because it makes her happy.

[Ronnie]

Right?

[Kaylee]

So she's a. That's what I'm telling you.

[Emily]

That's what you're saying, right? I have a question. Has Kelly ever talked about my children to podcasters? I need to know this. I need to know.

[Ronnie]

He's like, oh, My God, can we bottle this and ship it up to Kaylee? Because, like, maybe I would get more credit. And Emily's like, well, I could see.

[Kaylee]

That it's not an unreasonable request, you know? I mean, I see my husband and you, and then it makes me sad that I don't recognize his feelings. So maybe this same thing is happening to her, you know?

[Ronnie]

And he's like, mic drop.

[Kaylee]

Just. Good. I'm glad I created an entire marriage problem in my head. Go work it out.

[Ben]

I know. So over there in Orange County, Kaylee's like, annabelle, do you want to come upstairs when you're done with your ice cream, maybe?

[Emily]

Annabelle.

[Ben]

Maybe she's like, huh?

[Emily]

You want to come up to the ice cream maybe?

[Ben]

Huh? She's, like, talking. She's talking to Annabelle as if Annabelle is the Incredible Hulk. Look, she's like, I don't. Don't get her mad, okay?

[Emily]

We'll be.

[Ben]

We'll be upstairs.

[Emily]

Come join us.

[Ronnie]

Don't show fear. How many kids do you have? This is how you act around your kids? This is what you do. Annabelle, put your phone down before I put it down the garbage disposal. Ma', am, get up there. I don't want to hear any lip, okay? Or I'm gonna comb your hair.

[Ben]

I know, but her kids aren't that age yet, so she doesn't really know what to do. She's at. She's still at the age where her kids are, like, lovely and actually, like, love their. Like, want to hang out with their mom. So then Emily is setting up the dance party in New Jersey, which is very cute. And Emily's like, the kids are amazing.

[Emily]

They're so sweet and kind. I feel like I'm establishing a connection with them, and it makes me think, you know what? Sometimes you just have to embrace the chaos.

[Ben]

So then meanwhile, back up in. In Orange county, the whole family, including Annabelle, are, like, sitting around on the sofa to watch tv. And Annabelle. Annabelle, actually is lowering her guard. She gets excited to talk about Bad News Bear. She's like, you have to watch it. It's, like, the best. I know. Kelly's like, oh, I was hoping we could watch Amadeus, but I guess. I guess I'll have to watch this shitty movie just so I can have.

[Ronnie]

I'm sorry. Is Jeff Murray Abraham and Bad News Bears. Okay. Okay. I guess we'll.

[Ben]

I'm sorry. I'm kind of on a Kristen Scott Thomas kick. Would anyone be opposed to English Patient? Okay, okay. Or Bad News Bears? That's fine.

[Ronnie]

Bad News Bears. Okay. I mean, Basically, that's what I call my husband. But it's okay. I'm not triggered. We can watch it. So now it's the last day of the swap, and Kaylee is like a. Guys, you gonna miss anything about me? And looks like everything. Everything. She's like, really? Do you guys think you want to continue your family dinner when I leave? And they do. And she's like, and do you want to get a pig now? And Kelly's like, yeah, if it's big and juicy. She goes, don't you dare choke that pigs like that little twin. Listen here, you little freak.

[Emily]

Hey. Today is my last day in New Jersey, and I thought we'd do something that dad would like to do. So we're gonna go fly fishing.

[Ben]

So the Emily's new rule is to prioritize dad. So they're gonna. He loves to fly fish. That's his thing.

[Ronnie]

It's.

[Ben]

They're gonna. No one else wants to fly fish. They go to this, like, stream, and they start fly fishing. And it's. The kids are like. They're a disaster. They're, like, getting their.

[Emily]

Their.

[Ben]

Their fishing lines tangled around the cameraman, and no one's happy, but the dad's happy. And actually, the dad at some point's like, okay, you know what? I appreciate you guys doing this for me. This is all nice. We can't do this, not with the kids. No. Like, this is fun. I appreciate it. I get it. I see what you're doing. Let's just. Let's move on. Let's go home. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

They don't know how to fly fish because you haven't taken them fishing. That's sad. There's a lot of broken things in this family. You know, this made me sad that you've never taken the kids fishing. That's nuts.

[Ben]

And there actually is a genuinely nice moment in Orange county, which I think you were just about to set up. I'm sorry. Where Kaylee and Annabelle are, like, in the cul de sac on bicycles. And Annabelle is like. Like, I try riding my bicycle. It's like, whoa, Annabelle, she is melting a little bit.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And she's like, no, no, I can't ride a bicycle. Well, I'm gonna mess up your bike. It's like, oh, it's fine. My parents don't know this, but I ran into, like, so many bushes and fell off it so many times. One time I sped up and I crashed it through Gina's window because she's poor and she had to put plastic on it for a Month.

[Ben]

Shannon comes out of nowhere, goes, I'm a young lady. In the future, just. Just say that you had to walk your dog late at night, which is why you crashed your bike. Okay, Just a little tip from an older generation to a younger one.

[Ronnie]

So Emily's done, and she's like, guys.

[Kaylee]

This has been amazing. You really ignited something in my heart, and I just want to go home. It. Does anyone hear that? Oh, there's popcorn popping in my purse.

[Emily]

Does anybody want some?

[Ben]

So then, Eric, she's like, here's a gift, Eric.

[Emily]

It's a dust pad.

[Ronnie]

Oh, God.

[Emily]

I. I really am so funny.

[Kaylee]

Going into this experience, I didn't really feel like there was much to take away from someone else's life, but it makes me reflect. Oh, why don't I put more effort into my own family?

[Ben]

Eric is like, I've learned. I've learned a tremendous amount from this experience. I have to be a better husband. I have to do better. So when Kaylee comes home, I'm excited to introduce her to a kind of newer. Kind of newer version, better version of me, where when she's cleaning up all the poop, I say, good job, honey. And then I go back in the office.

[Ronnie]

So Kaylee's saying bye to her family or her rental family, and they're both saying bye to their families, basically, and everybody's crying. So now the ladies come back and hang out together to have their post. Their post game, whatever. So Emily's like, I don't know why.

[Kaylee]

I'm getting so emotional. Keller, how are you, honey? Shane, are you taking the kids? Get them out of here. Shane, do your job.

[Emily]

And she's like, okay, well, tell me, tell me, tell me. Kelly, how was Annabelle?

[Ben]

She's like, well, she was standoffish. But your two boys, they were great. They kept making all these jokes about Heather Debro. I was like, oh, my God. They wouldn't stop.

[Emily]

Quiet. Don't you dare. They don't talk about Heather to BRO.

[Ronnie]

But you know what? We did sit for a family dinner because, you know, it creates a tradition of, like, hey, your dad's an idiot, right?

[Kaylee]

And she's like, yeah, I love that you did that, because we don't sit down as a family. But, you know, when I was with your kids, I get emotional when I talk about your kids. I don't know why. I don't know why, but I wanted just. I wanted to be around them. It made me think about how in my own house, like, I go to bed instead of hanging out with my kids. You know, I go into my room, and I'll just watch tv. And I thought, maybe I should hang out with my own children.

[Ben]

Maybe might be a good idea. She's like, I know, like, one thing. I got to spend some time with Annabelle, and I knew that, like, that was important to you. And, like, one of my rule changes was just, like, to have a come sit with us on the couch just so that she can be, like, be there and be part of the family. So I think, like, if you can lead with that, encourage, like, a little bit of family time.

[Emily]

What? Be affectionate towards the children. Okay. But instead of being scared to do it because it's crazy and hard, we just have to do it anyway, right?

[Ben]

Yeah. Enjoy the chaos.

[Ronnie]

Emily is, like, horrified. She's like, even though it's scary to think about spending time with my children and hard, I guess I should figure it out. And she's like, yeah, enjoy the chaos.

[Kaylee]

So she's like, eric and I had a date night. He had to cook.

[Ronnie]

She goes, oh, my God. Of course he didn't let you take him out. Of course. So did he even know what the pots and pans were?

[Kaylee]

She's like, no, but I could tell he was so nervous, and he recognized he needs to do more stuff around the house. You know, I think it was sad, and I'm not. You know, look, I think it works. You know, he works so hard to give you a dream life, and I don't think he feels that he's acknowledged.

[Ben]

Yeah, well, with some of the things. I don't want to talk. Okay. There's some things I don't want to talk about right now, but it's, like, very hard. He cheated on me. Everyone. He cheated.

[Ronnie]

Okay. That's what I was getting. Do you think she's saying, like, he cheated and now she's like, that's why.

[Ben]

I don't know.

[Ronnie]

But I can't acknowledge it.

[Ben]

I don't know if it was really. I don't know if it's as extreme as cheating, but what I do get is that, like, they have marital problems, and she doesn't want to get into it, but there's, like, a lot of dysfunction that's happening. And, like, that she. I think I felt like the tears were, like. I wish it were as simple as, like, just doing these things, and that will fix everything, but, like, everything is really, really tough, and it's. We've gotten to a terrible cycle, and I don't know how to get out of it. And I feel like if we don't get out of it. We're going to wind up getting divorced. Yeah, that was where I took it.

[Ronnie]

And just like, he cheated. And she's like, yeah, and I don't. I just.

[Kaylee]

And Emily's like, yeah, but he doesn't feel like he gets what he needs.

[Ronnie]

I'm just like, I just don't know how to fix that in myself. I mean, how am I going to suddenly want to my husband? I just can't. I have a wall up and I can't get it down. What's wrong with me?

[Kaylee]

I want to be affectionate for him, but how do I be a better wife? She's like, well, I'm a terrible wife, and it still works out, so don't worry about it.

[Emily]

Go with the flow. You know, I really appreciate how much Shane contributes to this family and how much he does.

[Ben]

Yeah, he does a lot. Like, you have a wonderful partner. You know, I would naturally think that Shane or someone else deserves that, but, like, why doesn't Eric deserve the same compliments that I offer your husband? I mean, not the thing about the Pottery Barn. I just sort of, like, laughed and was like, this is disgusting.

[Ronnie]

You know?

[Ben]

But all the other stuff I said was very nice.

[Kaylee]

Okay, well, I should say thank you to Shane and you should go have lunch with your husband.

[Ronnie]

She goes, oh, my God. Not the lunch. He brought up the lunch. Lunch. Really? He brought up the lunch? Of course he did. Why is that so important to him?

[Emily]

Put your walls down and have lunch.

[Ben]

Oh, my God. Lunch. I don't know if I could do that. You know, he's gonna make me drink a Snapple.

[Emily]

Okay, drink a Snapple then. Come on, do it.

[Ronnie]

So she says she struggles with loving her husband and showing it. So this is a wake up call. I don't know how you're gonna suddenly just, like, show love to your husband. But I guess it works for a little while because we see the after. And it says, after Eric, they have a date night weekly. And he even paired PF Changs with the vintage Dom Perignon.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

So it's pretty big.

[Ben]

Yeah, I forgot about that. So it's funny that I mentioned PF Changs earlier. And they are. She's going. She's having lunch with him. So it looks like they're doing something. But it's funny because when she comes back, like, they kiss, but then she, like, is. They're like. They have, like, a long embrace, but she still doesn't, like. It's a very quick kiss. Like, she feels like, I. I Don't want to put my lips on this. Man. This kind of was a weird one.

[Ronnie]

Thing changed with Emily. She does carpool now occasionally.

[Ben]

And then Shane took it back over.

[Ronnie]

And then she took Annabelle to Paris, so they bonded.

[Ben]

Actually. That was really nice. I actually thought that was genuinely nice. I was like, that was a really good thing. Like, that is a good mother daughter thing to take your daughter on vacation like that and pour some love into that, into that girl. That's. That was really.

[Ronnie]

Unfortunately, she didn't. They didn't end it with. And then she left her. Like, we didn't get the full story. But, yeah, I mean, I guess it was sweet. I love the pig. I was just here for the pig.

[Ben]

The pig was good. Pig was good. Emily was even good, despite all the shit I'm talking about her.

[Ronnie]

I mean, walking in and just dropping a bunch of shit onto a family.

[Kaylee]

Like, here's how you feel. Your wife's a bitch and she needs to do more for you.

[Ronnie]

And you're like, leading the witness is the perfect way to put it.

[Ben]

It.

[Ronnie]

But.

[Ben]

But I guess it's more like she wasn't totally awful. Like, she did have some nice moments, but she definitely did not shine the way Angie and Melissa did. Angie is like the star. So far. Melissa not quite as good, but did better. And now we're at Emily, and it's like, declining returns in terms of coziness. Warm cuddles. Anyway, the show's still better than I ever expected, so there's that. We have one last episode of Wife Swap coming up this Sunday. It's this Sunday. Sunday. Sunday after Potomac, because it's the big Wendy episode, which looks quite hilarious. So keep an eye out for that.

[Ronnie]

Yes, Everybody, thank you so much for being here. We will talk to you next time. Bye.

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