#3068 RHOC S19E18 Part One: Behind the Candelabra

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens #3068 – "RHOC S19E18 Part One: Behind the Candelabra"

Date: November 7, 2025
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Episode Focus: Part one of the Real Housewives of Orange County (RHOC) Season 19 Reunion

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Main Theme

This episode dives deep into the first installment of the RHOC Season 19 Reunion, unpacking the production, styling choices, cast dynamics, and unresolved group tensions. Ben and Ronnie blend biting humor with keen Real Housewives analysis, focusing on the cast’s low-energy interactions, poor reunion aesthetics, and the lingering drama between favorites like Tamra, Shannon, Emily, and Katie. The co-hosts spotlight hypocrisy, shifting alliances, and familiar therapy tropes, all while maintaining their signature, irreverent tone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reunion Production and Aesthetics

• The hosts immediately roast the reunion’s lackluster set, lighting, and styling.
  • “Second of all, is it me? Did this reunion look kind of shitty?” (Ben, 05:19)
  • “It looked... It looked like dog, dog. Embarrassing.” (Ronnie, 05:34)
  • Hosts lament the flat lighting and poor maroon color scheme, joking it made everyone’s hair look “dry” and “matte.”
• Notable confusion over the reunion’s filming location and design:
  • “I think it was supposed to be New Orleans?... The color scheme didn’t work. The lighting was flat. Everyone’s hair looked dry.” (Ben, 06:17)

2. Styling, Glam, and Physical Appearances

• The hosts, as always, spare no one with sarcastic critiques on glam choices.
  • Ronnie quips, “Emily, stop it... You can’t even move your face right. You’re blinking wrong. It’s self-harm, okay?” (Ronnie, 07:07)
  • Ben fixates on Emily’s massive hair extensions: “She had more hair than usual. It just felt like it was weighing her down.” (Ben, 08:02)
  • Discussion asserts all the women are generally great but victims of “poor styling and production.”

3. Reunion Energy and Cast Dynamics

• Ben and Ronnie sense weird, low energy among the group.
  • “The energy level was real weird. Everyone was just, like, super low energy and like, whatever...” (Ronnie, 09:08)
  • The hosts note how many cast members seem disengaged or subdued, particularly Tamra’s “trying to be calm” persona due to therapy.

4. First Seat Placement and Who ‘Drove the Season’

• Surprised by Jen sitting in the “first seat” (a spot of perceived importance):
  • “Emily should’ve been first seat on that sofa... she was really driving this season, whether we like it or not.” (Ben, 10:06)
  • Host theory: the first seat was chosen just for beef logistics, not merit.

5. Highlights of the Reunion Opening

• Andy Cohen’s classic, dry introduction mocked by the hosts.
• Quick rundown of the “arrivals” and glam highlights—including roasting Gina’s outfit, likened to “a napkin fold.”
  • “[Gina] did look like a napkin fold over her boobs. What was that about?” (Ronnie, 15:04)
• Ample humor riffs on cast confessionals, with Ronnie singing Mulan.

6. Delving into Cast Interpersonal Drama

• Tamra’s Therapy & Accountability:
  • Multiple jokes about Tamra’s reliance on therapy as a plotline.
  • “When do you look in the mirror and say, fuck, it might be me?” (Ben, 47:03)
• Katie’s Loyalty and Slipperiness:
  • Hosts agree Katie is “slippery with the truth,” but criticize the hypocrisy in how other cast members treat her.
  • “We are so offended by the way the entire cast discarded her when other people are equally slippery.” (Ben, 12:57)
• Shannon’s Emotional Reactions:
  • Ben and Ronnie mock Shannon’s tendency for dramatic meltdowns and self-victimization.
  • Ronnie impersonates Shannon’s trademark nervous, high-pitched spiraling.
  • Ongoing digs at her on-air meltdowns, especially regarding a voice note controversy.

7. Recurring Issues: Hypocrisy and Double Standards

• Ben and Ronnie relentlessly expose and mock cast hypocrisy, especially around:
  • Filming or Recording Each Other:
    • “You all do shit like this, but you’re dogpiling Katie for it!” (Ronnie, 57:09)
  • Weaponizing Bloggers and Leaks:
    • “Emily is as we all know, a hypocrite. And you think the only person she’s writing is Bravo Boo? Doubtful.” (Ronnie, 63:02)
  • Therapy as Redemption Plot:
    • “Seen it. It doesn’t work, Jax. Okay? It doesn’t fucking work.” (Ronnie, 32:00)

8. The Lie Detector Segment & Blogger Drama

• In-depth breakdown of the infamous lie detector setup targeting Katie.
  • Ben: “If you punch your butthole, you can pass it. Katie told me that.” (68:16)
  • The hosts lampoon the accuracy and dramatics around polygraph results, positing the whole thing was orchestrated.
  • Breakdown of Emily and Jen’s hypocrisy in using off-camera bloggers & leaking information.

9. Notable Quotes & Riffs (with Timestamps)

• “Emily, stop it... Just stop it. At this point it’s self harm.” (Ronnie, 07:07)
• “If we have that voice note, we know we’re gonna play it for some people. But it is shitty she played it for Shannon’s arch enemy.” (Ben, 53:02)
• “I won’t even let my own husband come all over my face. Why would I let a salmon?” (Ronnie, 48:14)
• “You all valid—have other people validate for you. Jen’s like, are we doing this again?” (Ben, 36:22)
• “Why are we acting like Tamra’s new boobs are a new thing? They need to just screw on and screw off at this point.” (Ronnie, 24:37)

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Notable Moments & Running Jokes

Reunion Set Takedown

• [05:19–08:56] Extended riff on the “bad lighting, color scheme, and dry hair”—fast establishing the episode’s roast-heavy style.

Therapy Satire

• [29:40–30:45] Ronnie’s monologue of Tamra’s therapy obsession becomes a recurring joke.

Cast Hypocrisy, Blogger Drama

• [62:51–65:19] Revealing “Bravo Boo” blogger receipts of Emily’s DM schmoozing.
• [55:37–57:09] Arguments over whether secretly-recording voice notes is any worse than the other messy behaviors.

The Salmon Sperm Facial

• [48:00–48:22] A prime example of the hosts’ irreverence, mocking the latest Housewives beauty trend with disbelief and ribald humor.

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Important Timestamps

• Reunion Set Drag: 05:19–08:56
• Therapy/Mental Health Plotlines: 29:40, 47:03
• Major Katie/Emily Drama & Bloggers: 62:51–65:19
• Lie Detector Breakdown: 67:27–69:59
• Shannon Voice Note Debacle: 53:02–55:37

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Tone & Language

• Tone: Snarky, acerbic, irreverent, but always delivering a deep love of Bravo drama and Housewives culture.
• Language: Bold, full of Bravo-specific in-jokes, and always true to the hosts’ personalities.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This part one reunion recap is a must for anyone who craves a sharp-witted, behind-the-scenes breakdown of RHOC. Ben and Ronnie go beyond the surface, lampooning production errors, exposing cast foibles, and spotlighting the cyclical hypocrisy that defines the Housewives franchise. With quotable one-liners and hilarious sidebars, the hosts manage to honor and rib the show in equal measure—making this episode essential listening for Bravo fans and casual viewers alike.

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End of Part One Recap. Tune in to the next episode for the continuation.

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Hello. Hi. How are you doing?

[Ronnie]

Good. Having a great old time over here. I've got a family in here of the cutest little family. Hannah and her family are staying here and her husband, her mother. So I've got a whole family in here. I've got a little five year old running around, jumping all over me. Taught her how to make cookies, how to play a Nintendo Switch.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie]

We were having so much fun. Yeah. I'm going to be so sad when they leave. I'm going to be familyless again. I'm going to be alone. Alone again. But it's been so fun. I've been having a lovely family time. How's it been going over there with you?

[Ben Mandelker]

So much fun. I've been built a chair.

[Ronnie]

What? From scratch?

[Ben Mandelker]

Like I. No, not from scratch. Like I assembled one that came in that's hard too from Amazon. But I built it and it's the wrong color for me. And now I'm like, ugh. You know like when you assemble piece of furniture and like it doesn't fit. Like now the, the process of getting furniture out of like what now I've got to figure out how to get this out, out back, back to another land. So that's like what's plaguing me this morning. So the, the point is that nothing is new with me. Actually. That's what nothing's happening over here. I have a chair report.

[Ronnie]

Well, we are going to Bravocon next week. That's new. That's going to be fun for us. We are going to make a pilgrimage. We will be moderating the Next gen NYC panel which is going to be the very last panel of the whole thing. Oh, I removed Ben. Or maybe Ben removed himself. Anyway, we're going to moderate the Next Gen NYC panel. The last day we are going to have a meetup. At some point it'll be free for everybody to just come say hey to meet some of you guys. We're not sure of the date yet, but we should know hopefully by the beginning of the week. So just keep an eye on our Instagram. Watch what Crab and Song. And then Monday night we will be here doing Amazon Live. That will be on Amazon Live. That's where you can watch it. You can watch it on your phone, you can watch it on your tv, whatever. You also get links over at our Instagram link in bio, so check that out. And today it is Real Housewives of Orange county reunion part one for season 19. What say you? What are your general thoughts about this here reunion?

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, general thoughts. First, I love that we just got right into the reunion. We did not have to see people arrive. People in glam, Andy visiting each room. I love that we just started. I love that. Second of all, is it me? Did this reading look kind of shitty?

[Ronnie]

It looked.

[Ben Mandelker]

Was it me? That was the lighting shitty?

[Ronnie]

Dog. It looked like dog, dog. Embarrassing. The scream embarrassing. What was the set supposed to be embarrassing? The set was terrible.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think it looked. Maybe it was supposed to be New Orleans. I don't know. Andy didn't even do a shout out to this, to the set. It just was like everything looked flat. All the light was flat. All their hair looked like matte and dry. Like, there was no gloss. There was no shine. The light, all their. The color scheme, they're all wearing this, like. Like maroon, pink.

[Ronnie]

It just was like, why would you pick maroon? You can't pull off maroon. A bunch of blonde white ladies if.

[Ben Mandelker]

You'Re gonna do maroon. Yeah, it was, like, not. It wasn't giving what it was supposed.

[Ronnie]

Maybe.

[Ben Mandelker]

Maybe some sort of, like, reference to, like, a weird New Orleans element. I don't know. But it was like the color scheme didn't work. The lighting was flat. Everyone's hair looked dry. And I think that was a lighting effect. Like, it didn't look like.

[Ronnie]

Well, it's also reality slipping into TV because their hair is dry. This is Orange County, Okay? I mean, they've never met a hot oil treatment that they didn't ignore in that place, apparently.

[Ben Mandelker]

What. What happened to their, like, panoramic LED screen that they had for, like, the past few years where they were, like, out in the middle of the ocean? That looked great for this cast, but this was just like, ugh, like, everything. Every now and then, they just mess up the way a reunion looks. And this one, I. I just. I actually had times I was watching and I was like, I don't want to physically look at this anymore.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, the lighting was too bright. And also the coloring of the people was wrong. Everybody was really orange, and I. Part of it, spray tan. But Shannon, except for Heather, Shannon was wearing, like, a weird, like, reverse kabuki mask where she was completely one color all the way up right below her hairline, and then with stark white. And she Looked crazy. Even Katie, who's the most beautiful hand down, looked a little crazy in the lighting. Everybody looked. Emily. Emily, stop it. Whatever you're doing, stop it. You're a beautiful lady. Just stop it. At this point, it's self harm, you know, it goes to a point where it's like you're hurting yourself. Just stop it. You're so beautiful. What are you doing? You know, you can't even move your face right. You're blinking wrong. You're, you know, words are coming out of your ears and, you know, teeth are falling out of your mouth. Just stop it. One eye is bigger one. Just stop whatever you're doing to yourself. Just leave yourself alone. It's self harm, okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

I. My. My only real note for Emily, I actually thought, by and large, she looked fine. My only real note was it seemed like they had added so much hair to her. Like she had more hair than usual. And I felt like. I just felt like it was like weighing her down. It was just like a big pile of hair. Every time they cut to it, I was like, oh, my God, there's so much hair. And the light was hanging in a way where it was just. It just looked like a bunch of big, dry hair. I was like, no.

[Ronnie]

And we're in a. You know, we're in California, so we're like fire danger. You know, you see things like that and you're like, you better clean it up or you're gonna get a ticket from the city. And this isn't even like, oh, let's make fun of how the women look. It's not even that. This is a styling issue. These are the women we all know and love, and they deserve better. Okay? We deserve. They deserv to be treated well. It looks like they just, like, threw them up there without anybody working on them, you know, and we even saw the stylist, and I was like, what are you proud about? How are you even showing your face on camera right now? All of you. Shame.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Well, it's Orange county stylist Andy looked good, actually. Andy looked good. But I think that overall, this entire reunion was a real dog that's on the production.

[Ronnie]

My second thing, beyond you know, the production of how it looked and stuff, is the energy level was real weird. Everybody was just like super low energy and like, whatever, you know, Tamara's just like, whatever, yell at me. I'll just tell Shannon to shut up. And no one was really there or present. And the whole having Gretchen come on and everybody just kiss Gretchen's ass like did no one else watch the last episode? Like, what is going on? What is happening? Like, I didn't understand what was happening or how people came in with the personalities they came in. Why people are mad at Katie and not mad at Gretchen who's sitting there or Tamara who just got the whole blog leaking thing out. I was just very confused.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, they don't know about that. They don't know about the blog leaking thing.

[Ronnie]

They said that's gonna be.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think it was teased that they are gonna reveal that.

[Ronnie]

You're right.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I am energy.

[Ronnie]

So I need some kind of. I need, like, let's not Gretchen's ass the whole time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, it also just goes to show how transparent they kind of all are about. About that stuff, because I thought. And I was really surprised that Heather was actually, like, quite friendly towards Gretchen and was helping her out with some answers. That that was a surprise to me. I think we'll probably get more insight into what's going on with their relationship in a future episode. But the energy was low. But I think that's because Tamara set the. Set the tone because she's like, I'm in therapy. And she's just, like, just trying to be calm. I was, by the way, also surprised that Jen got first seat. I honestly think as much as I can't really stand her this season, Emily should have been first seat on that sofa. Because I felt like really so much of this season was about Emily. When you talk about, oh, my God, this season's not good, like, everyone goes, oh, well, yeah, Emily is this Emily's that. It feels like Emily was really driving this season, whether we like it or not, and she should have been first. Like, I think the only reason why they put Jen at the first chair is because I think sometimes they like people if they have a beef, to be able to fight across the sofa, like, eye to eye. So I think because Tamra's first, they had to put Jen first. But, like, Jen did not. Jen did not earn first seed at this for this season.

[Ronnie]

No. You know, and I'm wondering sometimes what they're doing with first seat now. If they're trying to make it less important and just like, well, everybody's, you know, someone's going to get it, you know, because there have been a first few seat choices that have been odd this year. So, yeah, who knows? But here we go. Real Housewives of Orange County. We start with Tamara coming in and.

[Andy Cohen]

She'S like, I've been On this show 15 fucking years since it's time.

[Ben Mandelker]

And.

[Ronnie]

Then we see a flashback to Jen and Gina and Shannon finding out that Tamara has released the season to bloggers.

[Andy Cohen]

Bloggers.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then flash forward to Tamara. Now she's outside going, there's no proof. And then we go to the final episode where someone's like, she does do a lot of talking. It's Chris Samuels. Chris Samuels is the leak. And then we flash forward, then we're forward again, and Tamara's like, there's nothing in writing.

[Ronnie]

Bonus SOB Yeah, but nothing this season has anything in writing. There's no writing in proof. There's no proof. None of it writes. So since when does that matter to you people? You can't start that now. In the reunion episode, suddenly we have to have written proof. Oh, okay. So. And look, I know that everybody loves Katie. I actually like Katie, too. I think people are going a little overboard in their defense of Katie because of how much all the other women suck, because Katie is also still full of shit. And Katie remind us that she is still 80% full of shit when she comes back on here. Or, you know, I don't know if. If it's just that she's 80% full of shit or if everybody has just agreed we're not backing her up on any little thing, so it just looks like she's lying. I'm not even sure at this point, but she didn't bring a ton of energy either, so I'm not really jumping on that bandwagon either.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, Katie is not known for her energy, I would say. But, yeah, I'm. Yeah, I think, like, I think we all know Katie is slippery with the truth, for sure, but we are so offended by the way the entire cast discarded her when other people on the cast are equally slippery that it just feels so rude that we just have to rally behind her. And also, she's so pretty. We're like, well, I mean, how could they discard someone so pretty? Yeah, from Orange County. That's so.

[Ronnie]

They're just such hypocrites, you know? But I guess that's the name of the game this season. So let's. Let's do it. Bring it on.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we also see. We're still seeing these flash forwards and flashbacks. And the next flash forward is Tamara now, of course, having her classic hyperventilating in the back. In the back room. And Katie's like, okay, just go home. Decompress the day. Let Eddie, you know, win you over with a sparkling personality. Just relax a little bit.

[Andy Cohen]

This is not what this show is about. Is that what this show is about? This show is about me ripping other people the shreds, not them ripping me the shreds. Come on, guys.

[Ronnie]

So she's crying her big crocodile tears. And tonight is the three part real reunion. I'm Andy Cohen. I have children.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, I just have to say one thing because I wasn't sure if this was a preview of what's to come or if this was a, like a little flash of like, we're getting the reunion ready, but in case it never shows up for the next two episodes, I have to say there was this. They had this one shot of Heather sitting down on the sofa and she's like, this is neither my slip side nor my nose side. She was so mad about being on that side of the set. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

They were like, that's where we had room just sitting aside from my slit and my nose. So we see the ladies getting in the glam. Katie is brought a basket of vodka and bagels. That's pretty funny. Tamara is showing her nipple covers like.

[Andy Cohen]

This is the look.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is it.

[Ronnie]

And then we go to Gina looking in the mirror, which, I mean, that was the biggest shock that she's been given one. Gina's been given a lot of credit for her outfit. I don't think this was one of Gina's worst, but she did look like a napkin fold over her boobs. I'm not sure what that was about. I was like, are you filing your boobs? Are you? What's that? Who made this outfit? And why? Why would they do that? What does it represent?

[Ben Mandelker]

I liked, I liked when she looked in the mirror and she goes, who.

[Andy Cohen]

Is that girl I see staring straight back? Guys. Me? Why is my reflection someone I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

I feel bad for my reflection.

[Ronnie]

Oh, my God. Why is my reflection putting up a sheet in the middle of the mirror to make the mirror. Mirror big enough for a whole family.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know in horror movies when someone stares in a mirror and then like the thing in the. In the mirror, like, comes out and grabs them by the neck.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is the first time we actually saw the reflection. Be like, bye.

[Ronnie]

It's like, here, here's a towel, please.

[Ben Mandelker]

Put it over your outfit, please. Reflections. Like, I feel bad. Here's a towel to help out. That way we both look better.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So we some. We see some flash forwards of what's coming in the reunion, which I think we can probably skip because guess why we're going to see it over the next three episodes. And I already kind of flash Forward clips.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I accidentally said some of it already with Heather, so. Okay. Five, four, three, two, one.

[Andy Cohen]

Hi, everyone.

[Ben Mandelker]

Welcome to the Real Housewives of Orange county season 19 reunion. I'm Andy Cohen, presiding over a time honored ceremony that'll be equal parts solemn and revealing. Like getting married in a white bikini. Ha ha. No one wants to. Jen, you're not even laughing at that joke. Wow.

[Ronnie]

I love that he said that. He's like, he gives a gen line and then it cuts to Jen and she's like, who got married in a white bikini? Get it? Who did that? That sounds so fun.

[Ben Mandelker]

Solid.

[Ronnie]

I wish I could have come to that wedding. It would have been great. Whatever. Thank you so much.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was just invited. Thank you so much. Okay. Hi. Shannon Storms Bador. How are you?

[Andy Cohen]

How.

[Ben Mandelker]

Andy? I. I am good. I. I'm just here in this red, which I'm not very comfortable with. If I'm not dressed in black or yellow, I don't really know what to do with myself. So I'm just going to spiral here in the corner. Thank you very much.

[Ronnie]

I'm just hoping a lovely bald man with a giant mansion will come adopt me and give me a life. That Adelaide would be in P.S.

[Andy Cohen]

Tomorrow. Tomorrow.

[Ronnie]

Why is she dressed like Little Orphan Annie?

[Ben Mandelker]

Why Little Orphan Shani?

[Ronnie]

Why does she dress like that? There's just so much confusing about this whole reunion. Why is Shannon dressing like a 12 year old girl in like, Southern cotillion? Like, who's dressing Shannon and when are they going to help her? There's just so much that needs to be addressed. Okay, so she's fine. She spent a week at the Golden Door, so she's feeling very Zen.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. Yeah. Very Zen.

[Ronnie]

Heather. Heather, new bro. Nice to see you. You said you wanted to be a Beverly Hills housewife because the drive was shorter until Kyle Richard said who?

[Andy Cohen]

No.

[Ronnie]

Is Reba available? How was the drive tonight? And she's like. It was seven minutes, Andy. Which is weird because doesn't she say she lives in Beverly Hills? Is that that close to Culver City?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, they're. No, they're. Yeah, no, they're.

[Ronnie]

They're.

[Ben Mandelker]

Their apartment is in Century City in one of those high rises.

[Ronnie]

Oh.

[Ben Mandelker]

So all you have to do is take motor. Take motor on down into Culver City and you've arrived at Sony Studios. And let me tell you something, that is probably about a seven minute drive. So you know the first time that it was actually easy to get to Culver City. Congratulations, bro. You did it.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So.

[Ronnie]

So she gets. She.

[Ben Mandelker]

She Had a short, by the way, that explains everything. That's why this reunion looks so shitty. It was filmed in Culver City.

[Ronnie]

Ah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. We cracked the code.

[Andy Cohen]

Okay. Hi, Emily.

[Ronnie]

What's different? Everything. Everything is different. At this point, you're gonna have to tap her forehead to snooze the alarm button. Everything is different.

[Ben Mandelker]

Stop that. That's hilarious.

[Ronnie]

What even is she? She's a machine now. She's like, thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm a Sony dream machine.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I got my shit together after we finished filming. You know, I was feeling a little heavy, so I just kept saying Susan Bender over in my mind over and over again. We came right off. Bitch with the jeans.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, I wasn't taking care of myself, so I just got myself together. Yeah, you look like you lost weight. Yeah, I probably lost 25 to 30 pounds, but I gained it all back again. Oh, really? Well, just in the hair. Really a lot of hair on me tonight.

[Ronnie]

Okay, well, did you lose weight? They talk about weight and, you know, like, is she working out again? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, I'm so sick of talking about weight. I'm sick of talking about it. I'm sick of hearing it. You've been on a no carb thing. Then we went on Jeff yesterday. All he talked about was weight and this and that, and everyone who works for him is talking about weight all the time. And I'm the only chubby one sitting over here. Like, listen, let's stop. Me, of all people who's talked about weight every day of his life, is finally sick of it. I'm finally sick of it. I've had it.

[Ben Mandelker]

This was it. It was all a giant ploy to get you sick of it while it worked.

[Ronnie]

You guys did it. Emily, I don't care, okay? I don't care about your work, you know, but good for you.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't care, but good for you. How is the. How is the assisted living real estate business going? Oh, my God, it's going really well. Yeah, I just sold, like a. I sold an efficiency over in Costa Mesa the other day. It was so good.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, you know, it's a lot of work, but, like, it feels so good to schlep again because it's, like, all about schlepping.

[Andy Cohen]

I love slopping.

[Ronnie]

Slop.

[Andy Cohen]

Slap, slap, slop.

[Ronnie]

Slap, slop, slop. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Grappens commercial.

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie]

Hi.

[Andy Cohen]

That's.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's good. I feel like I just slept five miles listening to you talk.

[Andy Cohen]

Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Katie. Hi, Katie. It's great to see you again.

[Ronnie]

She talked about she ruined my life.

[Andy Cohen]

I will never talk to you again.

[Ben Mandelker]

I am done with you.

[Ronnie]

Done. We missed you for the back half of the season. And you're here with the group again. I wonder, how are you feeling about being back with the group? Do you have any intentions for the day? I love when Andy acts like he's at the golden door. He's like, guys, what are our intentions? Your intentions are for people to fight their asses off. Okay. That's what your intentions are. What do I have to tell you? But, you know, you have to pretend you're there to make up with people. So he's just gaslighting. So she's like, well, I feel like I need to make up for some lost time, Andy, because some things didn't get said and just happy to be here. Thank you so much.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I just need to make up for some lost time because so much happened on the season after I left. Just kidding. The season kind of crescendoed after I left, so I guess we're all caught up now. Great.

[Ronnie]

Jen, did Ryan sexualize you on your way here? He's like, yeah, touched my boobs. He touched my chin a lot. He put his penis up my nostrils. So that was fun. Never tried that one. Wow. I just worry maybe he's not here for the right reasons. Am I right? Thank you, Andy. Thank you so much for asking.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, well, Tamara, that was great. Thanks. Jen, finally, Tabra, you recently had your 24th breast surgery.

[Andy Cohen]

Is that true? Yeah, it's true. I had reconstructive surgery because my pectoral message was attached to my face. And I was like, whoa, as long as you're in there, can you add a third beer? And they did. Bitch, three beer.

[Ronnie]

Tamra, she said pictorial.

[Andy Cohen]

She's like, yeah, you know how it is. Another reunion, another pet rock. You know, what are you gonna do? Give me some boobies? I love it.

[Ronnie]

It's like, how many times I wish we had a montage of Andy just doing reunion questions of, hey, Tamara, you got a new rack.

[Andy Cohen]

Hey, Tamara, are those new pubes? Tell me about your new boobs.

[Ronnie]

It's every season. Why are we acting like this is a new thing?

[Ben Mandelker]

They're going up and down and up and down.

[Ronnie]

They need to just make those things screw on and screw off at this point, so you could just change them out at will. That's very hurtful. You know how they do your boobs?

[Ben Mandelker]

That's a great idea.

[Ronnie]

They like all your muscles, and that's not an easy thing. You would think watching this for 19 years that it would be an easy thing, but it is not an easy thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

It should just be like a door, you know? So, yeah, she basically is like, while you're fixing that. That my muscle. Can you do a little something with the. The boobs? That's what everyone says to plastic surgeons. While you're there, let me from the top. They always say, plastic surgeons, be like, need me to fix something, because while you're in there. Am I Alfredo. Thank you. Stand there like, sorry, sorry.

[Ronnie]

I was looking for something in my purse. I've been schlapping, I've been slapping.

[Ben Mandelker]

If. If you ever step on my joke again, Gina, it will cost you a lot.

[Ronnie]

That's another threat.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I'll take a laugh wherever I can get it.

[Ronnie]

Thank you, thank you. It's the only way to get Evan to shut up in a monologue. So Tamara's like, by the way, I.

[Andy Cohen]

Won'T be quitting today. Remember when I quit, everybody? It's Savonzo. I'm classic. I'm a classic. What? The day is young, right, Andy?

[Ronnie]

She's trying to make Andy ask her this question. Are you going to quit today, Tamara? Which she doesn't, so she just makes it on her own. And Heather's like, let's not make big statements. Like, Terry gets in the mail after I go shopping with my American Express.

[Ben Mandelker]

There we go. Back on track. Thank you.

[Ronnie]

Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Tamara's happy because Teddy's doing really well. She. Her tumors are like. They, like, went away, which is, by the way. I mean, that's why.

[Ronnie]

Another question she wasn't asked. I love that she's trying to make this, like, whole big Tamara segment, but Andy's not asking her any of these questions, so she's like, yeah, great.

[Andy Cohen]

Because of Teddy? No. No one else. But, yeah, she's great. Let's. Teddy's doing so good. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Thank you.

[Ronnie]

Who cares who even is Teddy?

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow, that's amazing. So Teddy is all healed up, so let's follow it up with some more important news.

[Andy Cohen]

Hey.

[Ben Mandelker]

You went to Alexis Bellito's wedding. How was that? You said it was one of the most beautiful weddings you ever attended. Tell me all about it.

[Andy Cohen]

Oh, okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

I guess we'll just move on from Teddy no longer having cancer to talk about Alexis's Mason jar wedding.

[Andy Cohen]

Okay. Yeah, it was beautiful. I feel so weird talking about it in front of Shannon. Sorry, Shannon, no disrespect to you personally. Never invited to weddings because it's stupid.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, no, no, no. I'm a mature woman, and I saw the pictures. It looked. It was. It was beautiful. And then. And the flower arrangements, I mean, that must have cost, I don't know, maybe like, $75,000. I don't know how much of a sense that cost. Did I have my names in the centerpieces, since I basically paid for.

[Andy Cohen]

Was standing. Andy just standing.

[Ronnie]

He's like, nice. Jen, were you invited? There was some drama, and Emma's like, she was uninvited. And Jen's like, yeah, well, just like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Katie should be to everything.

[Ronnie]

Hold on, hold on. Let me answer. Please let me answer. I was invited, but then I was uninvited. Go ahead.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I said, fine. You said, let me answer it. I said, fine.

[Ronnie]

Sounded like a cascade of. Was about to come out of you, so just wanted to make sure you had your chance to speak.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just answer the question, Jen.

[Ronnie]

But when she got married, I texted her back, and she said, why are you sending me a penis? And I said, brian, why are you texting Alexa? Sorry. But I did want to talk to you anyway and say your wedding looked beautiful and Ryan Spasak even loved it. It was. It was great. Really, really good. And then she said, I wish there was a world where we could be together. Are you free? Can you and Ryan come? And I said, well, I think I just got reinvited to the wedding.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, Alexis, I wish there Was a world where you could be reinvited. Yeah, there's. There is a world. It's called you you should have invited in the first place. I mean, come on. She's acting like she is. Like. Like there's some sort of, like, authority that's looking down at her and, like, banning her from inviting Jenna. It was your choice. You did it to yourself.

[Ronnie]

There was a world we could be together. So why did she get uninvited in the first place? It's because she's just such a good friend to Shannon, and Alexis heard that she was just such a good friend to Shannon, and it didn't feel right for Alexis, so she uninvited her, you know, and now in the morning, she eats her chia seeds in a mason jar that she had to buy herself. Auntie wasn't free from a wedding. Wasn't holding flowers in a wedding. I actually supplied my own chia cup now. Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Okay, Tamara, you joke about quitting today, but do you have any intentions for the day? See, if you just waited, I would have made a joke about you quitting.

[Andy Cohen]

Oh, okay. Well, I mean, can we get to the season? I was emotionally in, like, a really difficult spot. Oh, really?

[Ben Mandelker]

Are you still going to therapy? That was a rhetorical question. Of course you are.

[Andy Cohen]

Cause it's all you talk about. Yeah. Cause I was there Monday at therapy, and I was just like, try not to get reactive when I get upset. But I get upset so much because I go to therapy now I'm in therapy. Do you know that I go to therapy all the time? Sometimes I'm next. You want to have Nice. Now I'm gonna have therapy. So I go to therapy. I just got out of therapy. I'm on the phone right now with my therapist. She said, I'm a good person, everybody. I love therapy. Therapy's great.

[Ronnie]

You've not been to therapy. You've been to therapy?

[Andy Cohen]

And they ask, no, that's wrong. I went to Subway. They asked If I want 6 inch or 12 inch. I said, how about an hour long? Because that's how long my therapy sessions are. They gave it to me because I'm in therapy. I love therapy. It's my new favorite thing to do. Therapy's so great.

[Ronnie]

He's like, okay, well, good to see you doing well. Shut up, sir.

[Andy Cohen]

You stupid bitch. Have you gotten to sleep, you fat, ugly bitch? Yeah, maybe I'll go to therapy again.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I did think that somehow you were gonna have a different approach to conflict this season based on the Therapy?

[Andy Cohen]

What? You didn't think I was calmer this season than any other?

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, let's roll the package. And we just cut to her, be.

[Andy Cohen]

Like, thank you, Gretchen.

[Ronnie]

And then quitting. And then we cut back, and she's like, huh, okay.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, I guess some people just don't understand that the empty works.

[Ronnie]

And Gina's like, well, I feel like some things were. Things get worse before they get better.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's what we've been saying ever since you came on the show. The show's getting worse before it gets better. So she's like. Because, like, you open stuff up and you're like. And then you're like, not a changed person.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, yeah, that's. That's totally true.

[Ben Mandelker]

Jen's like, yeah, but, like, when you want to make a change for adults, just, like, make the change.

[Andy Cohen]

You know what? I know. But, like, then you also have to understand that, like, when I was going through therapy, I was, like, on a good track. And then, like, two weeks of filming.

[Ben Mandelker]

With everything that was going on.

[Andy Cohen]

Daddy, it's around me.

[Ben Mandelker]

You don't understand. It's like, so. No, I mean, I understand it's very scary and sad, but, like, I've sat.

[Ronnie]

Through so much faux Bravo therapy that I just. I can't. With your. Your therapy storyline. Seen it. It doesn't work, Jax. Okay? It doesn't fucking work. So Jenna's like, well, it's just. It's just so hard. And I was. I was probably inappropriate for me to say, but I didn't get the grace that you're asking everyone else for the.

[Andy Cohen]

Grace that I had given you.

[Ronnie]

You.

[Andy Cohen]

You got the grace?

[Ronnie]

Where was my grace? What?

[Andy Cohen]

I have not. No, I have not asked anybody for some grace. Give me some grace about that for once.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Jen's like, well, it just feels like we're all assholes if we want to move forward in conversations that are tough with you, because now you're going through the hardest time in your life, and she's saying she didn't feel like that, that she got that when she was going through the hard time in my life.

[Andy Cohen]

Yes, I was.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was going through the hardest time of my life. I mean, there to be the victim of Archie's drunk driving and being an innocent spectator in the backseat. That was terrible for me.

[Andy Cohen]

Okay, whatever. No, we don't need to go.

[Ben Mandelker]

We don't need to go back. We don't need to go back. I'm just saying.

[Andy Cohen]

He'S not going to go back, but. Oh, yeah, you're Hanging out with. With your mom in the 50s. Then why. Why is it called Back to the Future, then? Addict.

[Ben Mandelker]

To be fair, that movie was in 1985, and they said that by the time we got to 2020, that where we were going, we wouldn't be needing roads. And if that were true, I wouldn't.

[Andy Cohen]

Have been in this issue in the first place.

[Ronnie]

Am I right? I'm just bringing up to you the frustration that I felt listening to all of this.

[Andy Cohen]

Oh, yeah, I know. I've seen it all season. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I tried very hard for you.

[Ben Mandelker]

I tried so hard.

[Andy Cohen]

I'll try.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, sure.

[Andy Cohen]

You've seen it all season.

[Ben Mandelker]

Tamara. Tamara Drudge. I. I don't think you have. I don't think you have. Because you know what? I'm. Apparently, I'm the grudge holder. You're. Wait, as a. You're Tamara Grudge. Not judge a garage. You have all the grudges. You can't forget anything. Excuse me. I did not make a joke right then. As Someone please tell the audience to be quiet. This is because we're on the wrong side for my slip. Wrong slip side. Yes.

[Andy Cohen]

Tamara Grudge. Okay.

[Ronnie]

And Emily's like, that was a good one. Did you say camera grudge?

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, I said camera grunge.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here's one. How about Shannon be more funny in the future? Who did that? Someone fixed the strings in Alfredo's drum.

[Ronnie]

Well, Alexis Bellino said on a podcast a few weeks ago that she thought.

[Andy Cohen]

Shannon was trying to ice Tamra out.

[Ronnie]

Or get Tamra off the show in terms.

[Andy Cohen]

Oh, a hundred percent. Even my therapist was. So get rid of Tamara. She's a dumb. You tried to come into my therapy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, because, like, that's what Alexis feels. Shannon told her. Well, I. I don't even plan what I'm wearing before I film. Okay? I don't even do that. Well, she still doesn't know what she's wearing today. I. I said she still doesn't know what she's wearing. She's. She's. Okay, so the joke is Shannon's dressed very poorly. She's very frazzled. So when you say she still doesn't know what she's wearing today, it's an allusion to that. I don't appreciate that. I do not appreciate that. Who is. Where's Alfredo?

[Ronnie]

Well, I just found out.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is he still in the building?

[Ronnie]

No, I don't try to ice anyone out. And Katie's like, oh, so you didn't call production in the middle of the season and say, I'm uncomfortable. I don't feel safe around Katie. And I want Gretchen to have her orange. I want her out. You didn't say that. Thank you, Alfredo.

[Ben Mandelker]

Were you in the bathroom?

[Andy Cohen]

Wrong time.

[Ronnie]

By the way, this sounds exactly like something Shannon would say. I mean, it's just in Katy intonation, so people don't believe it, but listen to it how Shannon would say it. I'm uncomfortable.

[Andy Cohen]

I don't feel safe around Katie.

[Ronnie]

I want Gretchen to have her orange. Just get Gretchen her orange.

[Andy Cohen]

Want her out? I want her out.

[Ronnie]

Yes, of course she said that.

[Ben Mandelker]

She 100% did. Of course she said it. And so Katie's like, jen, did she have a phone call with Alex during the season? Like, oh, I'm supposed to know if Shannon had a phone call? She's like, well, I heard about it from you.

[Ronnie]

Oh, so now we're just going to go back to where you're going to Jen, to validate your stupid lies.

[Ben Mandelker]

You guys all valid. Have other people validate for you. Jen's like, we're going to do this again. She's like, well, before we left for New Orleans, that's what I heard from you. And Alex told you that. She goes, no, you told me that. And he's like, okay, well, Alex just said in my ear that he never spoke about it. And he obviously has no motivation to lie in this moment, so I guess we're just gonna move on. Okay.

[Andy Cohen]

Absolutely.

[Ronnie]

Trust the man who claims that nobody knew that Gretchen had a horrible, bigoted social media account and tried to get no one to talk about it. And he is still trying to move past this mess. We all trust Alex Baskin.

[Andy Cohen]

Okay, moving on. All right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Heather from Tricks are for Kids said whether it was. I'm sorry, Heather, this is a question for Heather. This is from Lauren from Tricks are for Kids. Whether it was a game or not, you and Emily made it clear that you wouldn't trust Tamara with sensitive information. So how can you be friends with Tamara but never fully share yourself with her? Well, we've been friends a long time. Historical friends. It's like Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr or.

[Ronnie]

Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thank you. I have sent in a self tape to Lin Manuel to see if I can play for for Hamilton on Broadway. So we're really in that mindset. Anyway, I care about you a lot. And by care about you a lot, I sometimes when I'm up in my penthouse, think about you and go, ha ha. And then I move on.

[Ronnie]

But, you know, there are inconsistencies and the unpredictable nature of you sometimes that's just the truth. What do you want? Well, how do you take that, Tamara.

[Andy Cohen]

And say, I'm here, and I. And I'm going to work on that. We might have to dig a little bit deeper about that, but food and happily. Because I've got other bits to see that.

[Ronnie]

Okay, well, it could just ask when we talk about that game. You know, I said it, too. I don't know why Tamara's the only one getting questioned. Because I said it.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, I want to be in the art.

[Ronnie]

Okay, well, Tamara said you broke her heart by saying that. And I'm like, yeah, I know. And that's why I'm bringing it up, because, you know, I've seen you throw out terrible things about her, Shannon, and she was your best friend for 10 years. Oh, burn. Got that one in there.

[Andy Cohen]

Huh? But she threw out terrible things about me, too, bitch.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I said that you had an ego.

[Andy Cohen]

No, that's not all that you said.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I mean, that's your justification for.

[Andy Cohen]

Treating me like shit last year. No, no, that's not all you said, Shannon.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, well, then the little whisper in your ear is inaccurate, and a potster, or whatever this means. I don't know what I'm saying, but.

[Andy Cohen]

I'm gonna say it anyway. Oh, you're the only one who has crazy whispers in her ear, Katie.

[Ronnie]

Crazy whispers, by the way, just for interjecting a little truth in here. Shannon never did that to Tamra, where she came up with some horrible gossip that's being spread about Tamara and put that out there, did she?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I think this all stems from the demise of the Trace amigos. There was so much. There was so much chatter about what happened, and Tamara was. I mean, Shannon and Vicki were alleging, though Tamara, like, didn't want to be perfect, blah, blah, blah. There was such a fallout from that, and then that fueled the way Tamra acted last season, and now this season is a reaction to last season. So I think the ego thing may have to do with Tamara's participation in Tracy Miguel's. I think it was like, oh, now that Tamara found two teas in a pod, that then she left Trace amigas behind. Yada, yada, yada. I think that's the whole giant backstory.

[Ronnie]

There's. So Tamara's. So Andy says, why were you so.

[Andy Cohen]

Surprised that Emily and Heather would say.

[Ronnie]

Don'T trust you when you've thrown people secrets in their faces to hurt them? And Tamara's like, look, what.

[Andy Cohen]

Give me an example. I love this game. Give me an example. Go Ahead, let's do it.

[Ronnie]

He's like, this is hurt.

[Andy Cohen]

Oh, like my dad. What about that?

[Ronnie]

For example, my father, he had to put down a martini to turn up the TV to hear that again that he was an alcoholic.

[Andy Cohen]

How.

[Ronnie]

How dare you?

[Andy Cohen]

How dare you?

[Ben Mandelker]

And so then we have a flash.

[Andy Cohen]

She's like, well, you know, Shannon, season 15, you had a conversation with Brown saying that you have alcoholism in your immediate family, and you went to Alabama.

[Ben Mandelker]

Was that Eddie? Yeah, babe. I came in to help you out.

[Andy Cohen]

Way down the horn. What the hell, Eddie?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I kind of. Someone once told me that my face always looks like I'm blowing an invisible horn. So I thought, why not attach a real water?

[Andy Cohen]

Okay, I'll take it. I love him. I love you. Stupid, stupid. Eddie, why'd you talk about going to Elmond and Shannon?

[Ronnie]

Well, when. See the clip. And Shannon did say that to Bronwyn. Cause Bronwyn's like, well, I'm debating going to AA for a storyline. So what do you think of that? And Emily's like, well, I grew up with alcoholism in my family. But she didn't say it was her dad. You know, she.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's still vague enough. It could be a grandparent. It could have been.

[Ronnie]

It could have been Adelaide.

[Ben Mandelker]

And it's also. And it's also Shannon's story to tell. So Tamara's like, that's okay.

[Andy Cohen]

If you say that and put it out there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here's my thing about that whole therapy thing. When. When Tamara said it, I actually, like, I know maybe I'm being naive. I actually think that Tamara was not trying to, like, with Shannon in that moment, but I think that when Shannon flipped out, Tamara's response should have been like, I'm so sorry. I not mean to overshare like that, I swear. Instead, her response was, here we go again. And then she went into the kitchen.

[Andy Cohen]

Was like, she probably did that to cover up her own alcoholism.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I think that's what I was really bad.

[Ronnie]

Do it on purpose to say. Because she's. She's setting up the evidence like her father. She's. You said it yourself. Your dad's an alcoholic. So it's only normal that you're an alcoholic. Just admit to being an alcoholic and blame your dad like the rest of us, you know? And Shannon was like, how dare you? And then she's like, oh, really?

[Andy Cohen]

Maybe that's why she's not alcoholic excuse.

[Ben Mandelker]

So do you know, you said. You said, okay, let's. Okay, okay, okay. You know what, Tamara?

[Andy Cohen]

We could play the La la game. What's the lala game?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know, but I just invented it. And we can play it if you want. But to single out my father, I was in tears.

[Andy Cohen]

I was in tears having to say, dad, your past is not brought up on a television show. And he said, I know, because it's you. You're my pass and you're on this show. And I said, dad, but look.

[Ben Mandelker]

I said, look, you brought this up, Tamara. And you know what? You know what you said?

[Andy Cohen]

You know what you said under your breath.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then we see Tamara saying, like, I didn't think she. I don't think she cares. That she cares about her dad in the first place. How. How dare you, Tamara? How dare you, Tamara Judge? And she's like, well, that's because I.

[Andy Cohen]

Was pissed off at the way you acted, Shannon.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andy Cohen]

It'd be a horrible person. You're 97. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Oh, she's like, it'd be horrible. Yeah. Okay, listen, when it comes to my dad, who told me two weeks ago, I'm gonna cry.

[Andy Cohen]

Hi.

[Ronnie]

Hold on. Again. The minute that Marilyn Monroe got off his lap and wiped it down because he did pee a little. I mean, why lie?

[Andy Cohen]

We all do it.

[Ronnie]

And then left the restaurant, my dad started crying. And he said, shannon, you're the only reason I'm alive. You're the only reason I'm alive.

[Andy Cohen]

Just.

[Ronnie]

I'd live to see you. I live to see you. So how dare you throw that out. Then he burped, and a little bit of blue cheese olive got stuck in.

[Andy Cohen]

My ear, which was really cute.

[Ronnie]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie]

It struck Thailand without warning.

[Ben Mandelker]

No alarms, no cell phone alerts, no evacuation. In this season of against the Odds, experience one of the deadliest natural disasters in history through the perspectives of those who did everything they could to survive. Follow against the Odds on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can binge all episodes of against.

[Ronnie]

The Odds Tsunami in Thailand early and ad free.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right now on Wondery plus.

[Andy Cohen]

We'Re talking about how your dad has alcoholism.

[Ben Mandelker]

Tamara, she does not stop. I was. The man was crying. He was crying. He was saying, if it weren't for you, Shannon Storms bedor I would die. I would be dead. And I live for you. You are my daughter. And every day I wake up just for you. No, Alfredo.

[Andy Cohen]

Oh, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was a serious moment.

[Andy Cohen]

So basically now your dad's a suicidal alcoholic. That's a good one. It's a good one. But I'm sorry, okay? I wasn't trying to single your dad out. It wasn't my place to say that at the moment. I should have just been like, alcoholism runs in your family, and that's why you run with alcoholism. Stupid runny bitch. I should have just face. I should just like, face. Swapped your face on the little boy in the commercial from the 80s. That way I have it have you saying, I learned it from watching you, dad.

[Ronnie]

Shannon's like, absolutely not.

[Andy Cohen]

Absolute yes, though, right? Absolute yes. I always get the absolute.

[Ben Mandelker]

We are so deranged.

[Andy Cohen]

Thank you, Eddie. Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thank you, Eddie. Oh, no, Eddie's in the bathroom right now. So Andy is like, okay, well, Jen Whitney from the Factory of Cheesecake said, do you feel Tamara would have less problems with the group? She took accountability for her actions. Yeah. So the night that we sat outside. Guys, remember when we sat outside? No. Okay, well, the night that we sat outside and we're caked as the cake decorating party. I remember I looked at you and I said, you're in therapy. When do you look in the mirror and say, fuck, it might be me?

[Andy Cohen]

Never. What about you? When do you do it?

[Ronnie]

Why?

[Andy Cohen]

That's you, dad. It's not about me. But I'll tell you one thing. I love therapy. I can't wait to go to lunch. I'm gonna go to lunch in therapy. I'm gonna have lunch therapy. I'm gonna have my sandwiches in therapy because I love therapy so much. So helpful. Shut up is.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, but, like, don't you realize, like, there's patterns that have to change? Like, behaviors have to change?

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, I know. That's why I'm in therapy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, but, like, has your therapy enlightened you to anything that you came today feeling like you want to apologize for? Can we see some evidence of the therapy working?

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah. Yeah. You want me to apologize for something. Okay, my plan is to stay calm and apologize and take accountability and drive me forward with Everybody can't be happy and that you. Summer dance farm alcoholic dance. Hey, wait a minute. I'm sorry. That was Shanda's therapy. Yeah, I apologize for something. I don't know what it is yet. I don't know what it is yet, but I'll do it at some point.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's a good plan. I like that plan. And by the way, everyone, I had a salmon sperm facial to prepare for today. Wow, a salmon sperm facial. You know what?

[Ronnie]

I won't even let my own husband come all over my face. Why would I let a salmon.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, you don't do it for Emily. I was the one who set up the joke. All right, well, we're back. And. Okay, from COVID communications with Emily's ex nanny to nefarious kinks with bloggers, Katie was accused of stirring a pot of deception this season. But a failed polygraph test and a secret recording had those women dropping her faster than. Shannon bailed on her grilled cheese. Oh, Shannon bailing on a grilled cheese. Which we know you would never, ever want to do in your life. Am I right?

[Andy Cohen]

Shannon, why are you crying?

[Ben Mandelker]

Shannon, why are you suddenly clutching yourself and looking self conscious?

[Ronnie]

Leave no grilled cheese behind. And so the fact that I would do that, I'm just so sorry.

[Andy Cohen]

I'm so sorry. And your dad had problems leaving grilled cheese behind, too, right? Wired, do not bring my father into this. His grilled cheese behavior is not up for public discussion.

[Ronnie]

So now we see clips and a flashback to a headline. Emily Simpson's former babysitter speaks out, saying Emily's kids know everything and hated Heather Dubrow. Shannon's like, oh, Emily's ex nanny came forward. Yeah, reached out to me, and I was pissed. You talk about my custody. And then something that was extreme. Oh, no. So Emily. Emily is basically saying, listen, you know, you were talking about my custody and something that was extremely patient, painful to me. And then Emily saying, that's not an excuse, Katie. Don't bring my kids into it. She didn't. She said that she heard that you don't like Heather through your kids. She didn't call your kids fat or ugly or anything else. Stop saying that. She trash talked your kids. She didn't. You trash talk children when you were trash talking her as a mother. You are horrible. And the fact that they can even compare these two things and make them seem okay and Emily's still in the right. Emily was so dead wrong for that whole thing. She's disgusting thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she was dead wrong. And I kind of. I do kind of wish Andy had actually asked Katie some more questions about this nanny situation, because I just. I don't really think it's, like, the worst infraction in the world. I don't think it's great. Like, the nanny calls up. Katie should not have engaged with this nanny at all. But, like, Emily treated it as if Katie, like, told the nanny, like, scripted all these things for the nanny to say and yada, yada, yada. And I just think it's so overwrought, and it just does not. Not pale to what. What Emily did last year, which she brought up this incredibly painful facet of Katie's life and put it on display that, like, her kids have to listen to and deal with. And this is this stuff. Like a nanny goes on to a podcast. Who cares? The only one who made it a big deal. The only one is Emily, because none of us were like, oh, my God. Let's tune in to hear what Emily Simpson's nanny has to say. Literally, the least intriguing headline for any podcast would be, like, exclusive, Emily Simpson's nanny is on the show today. Like, no one cares about that shit. And Emily made it a thing, not Katie.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And so then we see a flashback to a scene with Kiki Monique, and Kiki's saying, oh, yeah, well, she said that you came in and said, is that an Asian designer implying. I guess it was meant to be sounding racist. And Gina being like, well, I want to celebrate the fact that Katie wanted to come into this group, and then she wanted to bring her culture, and she just didn't do any of it.

[Andy Cohen]

That.

[Ronnie]

Whatever, you ignoramus. That's not the way to do it. Gina. Gina's also the ass. It's not a situation. Gina's also the. All of this is how Katie's an. But these are other people being.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's not up to you, Gina, to police the way Katie wants to celebrate or the timeline with which Kitty wants to celebrate.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Being like, oh, really? You're supporting Asians? Is that an Asian designer? Yeah. This ignorant rant yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, okay, well, Katie, what's it like watching that? She's like, it's not fun. It's pretty hurtful to watch. Yeah. All right, well, how surprised were you by the viewer response after the lie. Lie detector episode aired? Because it really felt to me like the viewers really rallied around you. Tamara, why are you twitching? And also, Emily, you seem to be foaming at the mouth every time I say the viewers rallied around Katie. It's not fair. It's not fair.

[Ronnie]

Well, I'm shocked and I'm very pleasantly surprised by how much love I'm getting. Yeah. Shannon, you appear to have refollowed Katie Chuck. Oh, I never stopped. I never stopped following Katie. I never unfollowed her. I just was hoping she would leave grilled cheese hints somewhere in there. Missing. Hopefully she would see my sign that was up in all the ballrooms all over Orange County.

[Andy Cohen]

Missing grilled cheese.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Katie's like. And he's like, well, you guys in a better place now. She's like, well, we haven't spoken. No, absolutely, we. We have not spoken until I get my grilled cheese back, so. Well, when you describe what happened, I mean, we all know you recorded her at the promo shots. But then you just keep making it like you just send a voice to note to Matt. But you obviously played it for Alexis. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I think she's also entitled to play it for. It's messy, but, like, Shannon having a full on crazy meltdown. Like, like, of course you got to play it. I mean, what it does do is like, it's. It's disingenuous knowing that that's Shannon's huge, like, enemy. So that's shitty. But they really are acting like this isn't, like, a total violation of privacy. I think they're. They're prosecuting a case of, like, this is duplicitous. This is a. This is a violation of. Of privacy. This is as bad as opening someone else's mail. And I think that the actual act of playing this crazy voice note of Shanbador having a meltdown, like, let's all be honest. Let's all be honest with ourselves. If we have that voice note, we know we're gonna play it for some people. But it is shitty that she played it for Shannon's arch enemy when she's also so happy that Shannon's being her friend. So that's shitty. But I think the actual playing of the voice note, like, I just don't.

[Ronnie]

Think it's Well, a couple things. For one thing, I 100% believe that Katy taped this and played it for Alexis. I 100% believe it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Ronnie]

But again, on this show, and I do think that's shitty also. But, you know, like, you said, what you said is what you said, and I agree with it. But also, Shannon screamed it. This was all in public when she did it. So would it be different if Katie just said, oh, my God, Shannon had a huge meltdown. It was so embarrassing. Would she still get in trouble? Or was it the active tape recording? Also? Shannon has recorded people multiple times. It's not only the one that she cops to right now, but she also was recording Kelly having a breakdown in Ireland and other times, like, we've seen Shannon doing it before, so they're not.

[Ben Mandelker]

Really Heather, that one.

[Ronnie]

What's that?

[Ben Mandelker]

I think that was Heather who actually recorded that one.

[Ronnie]

Just. It was just to be fair, but I think we've seen them recording people. So to be getting all upset. And also this is another thing of everybody getting mad of. Of the wrong part. Like, why are we not getting mad that Shannon is making production wait and having all of this time and having another diva fit, which she's had a million of them on camera. So we've seen her doing this. We know exactly what this woman's talking about. Why isn't it about Shannon having a fit and somebody else standing up to Shannon having a fit?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I think, like, I. I do understand why Shannon is. I'm not saying Shannon shouldn't be upset. Like, you know, you like to think that when you're with your friends, your friends are not secretly recording you, you know, and like recording you being silly and playing it for someone. El. 100%. I get that, like, that's.

[Ronnie]

That.

[Ben Mandelker]

That is not crazy to me. But the. I don't know. I also think that, like, Shannon was having a total. A total crazy meltdown. And I don't know, I think, like, as long. As long as it has been recorded, like, you know, I sort of understand the. The messy impulse to be like, let's look at this. It's like, watch. It's like any amount this is happening all over society right now. And if someone has a meltdown in a store or someone records them and then you play it for friends, you put it on social media. And so I guess it doesn't. I guess I'm sort of conf. I guess I might be contradicting myself here a little bit because I. I do agree that, like, you don't Want someone in your friend group recording you when you're not aware and being messy with it. But then I guess at the same time, I guess more like me. As a fan, I can imagine seeing, like, a Real Housewife being crazy in public and being like, oh, my God, I. I saw Shine or being crazy. You've got to see what this is. So now I think I'm actually walking back what I said. I don't know. I don't know, people. I apologize. This is probably incredibly frustrating here.

[Ronnie]

I'll make it easy. I'll make it easy. What Katie did was clearly wrong, but what everybody else does all the time is also clearly wrong. And Kaylee's Katie is being unfairly dogpiled on for this when they've all done it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I think that's what it is. I think that's what it is. I think it's more. I think maybe. Thank you for. For clarifying my thoughts. I think it's. It's really that the punishment in this situation just does not meet.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. It doesn't fit the crime. Especially when Shannon was, in fact, acting like an asshole. So Andy's like, well, she went on social media and said that she did hear the recording. This is Alexis. And Katie's like, well, then I want her to tell me what Shannon says. If she's heard the recording, then I want to know what she says. We'll test her. And Andy goes, let's play it. And Katie goes, no. And he goes, no, I know. I'm just kidding. Well, you say, now I want to finish this. You say I was hours late and that I caused a whole scene.

[Andy Cohen]

Did you?

[Ronnie]

Well, yeah. Your glam team had to change your hair because they didn't have enough time to glue in the straw that they normally glue in because you were so late.

[Andy Cohen]

Haven't you ever filmed people without their knowledge, Shannon?

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, okay, well, we're just gonna trap it, okay? Because you're just gonna go around this.

[Andy Cohen]

No. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Therapy.

[Andy Cohen]

This is therapy for you now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, well, you're gonna hurt somebody, so I'm not gonna do that.

[Andy Cohen]

I'm not gonna talk about this, Shannon.

[Ronnie]

I mean, Tamara, wasn't somebody here?

[Andy Cohen]

No, it's Vicky. She goes, oh, oh, okay, okay, okay. You know what? You know what? Vicky is gonna be very upset with you.

[Ronnie]

But when I was staying there, there was a huge argument with her husband, and I just wanted to make sure everything was okay. So instead of going in there and saying, is everything okay? I recorded it on my phone and sent it to Tamra.

[Ben Mandelker]

And that's all.

[Ronnie]

I was just trying to.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, well, Emily Marco in Polo said, hey, you seem to be a fierce defender of your family. Did you go into defense mode on Katie when she was going after her family at the beginning of the year? Is that why. Is this the reason that you. Do you want to hang your crazy behavior on this sanctimonious hanger years?

[Ronnie]

It was such a level of deceit. It was an invasion of privacy. I just also things that are just outside of the realm of anything I've ever had to deal with before. Oh, please. She said your kid said you didn't like Heather. For Christ's sake. You're making it sound like the woman, like, dressed your children up like you and Shane and sent them into a bank to steal all of your money. I mean, lady, give me a break.

[Ben Mandelker]

When I get information about someone, I just screenshot and show it to Gina and we have a good laugh.

[Ronnie]

Well, yeah, Camera to ruin that person. And then you come tag team along with Gina to ruin that person. So I'm glad you're admitting it. So basically you're saying when someone else. When you do it, it's okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, like, it's not that different from, like, Shannon's having a meltdown. I mean, okay, so Shannon has this meltdown. Katie records it because she sends it. She wants. She sends it to Matt to be like, oh, my God, this. My. My co worker. And I think we're all allowed to. About our co workers. Except I would never. About you, Ronnie. But you're all generally. You know, we're all allowed to. You have to vent about your workplace. Right?

[Ronnie]

She.

[Ben Mandelker]

She. To Matt. So she has this recording. She plays it for Alexis. So, yes, shitty for her to do it. But I also think she's totally allowed. She's totally allowed to record something to share with her husband, and they can laugh about it. And basically Emily is saying the same thing here. Oh, I saw this crazy thing. And we are messy and we. We joke about it behind people's backs and, like. But we're entitled to. And they are, by the way. They are. Like, you see something, you get screenshot, like, because these people aren't actually generally friends. And so, like, you are allowed to do that. But, like, why are you allowed to take a screenshot of someone's, like, terrible past and have, like, a little laugh about it? And Katie can't also have a laugh over a piece of content because she's.

[Ronnie]

Saying she's not creating the content. She's just laughing at content. That's already out there. But, yeah, she's a total hypocrite. Like, she's like, we. We do shit all the time with our friends, but no one else is allowed to. To. So Katie's like, yeah, well, what about what you did at the reunion to me, bringing up all the stuff about my custody? And she goes, okay, well, let me differentiate. First of all, I apologize for bringing it up in the manner that I did, because I understand it looked like I was bringing up something about your children, but it wasn't about your children. Right, and the thing she said about you wasn't about your children either. It was what your children said about you. Do you see, Emily? You're, like, arguing against yourself here. Emily's such a fucking hypocrite. Secret. I can't even. What? Well, obviously I can't watch it, because I am watching it. But, God.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kitty is like, but you said. I heard you lost physical and legal custody. She's like, what you said was literally about my children. It's like, it's about, like, their. Let's. It's about their family dynamic. It's about. It's probably about stuff that she was trying to shield her children from. Whereas the nanny thing is nothing that is. Is. Has to be shielded from the children. You know, like, k. This is. It was, I think, more damaging for Katie what. What Emily did. And she goes, I saw an article. Oh, yeah, here's a flashback. Article, article, article, back to present. Being in my late 20s, having no money and nowhere to go, that was the only decision I could make. And you thought it was going to be fun to, like, oh, look, Katie, you lost physical custody. No, I didn't think it was gonna be fun. I just thought it'd be a really good reunion moment that would get me another season on the show.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I didn't think it was gonna be fun. Okay? I mean, there was fun, but I didn't think it was going to be fun. I was like, then why would you bring it up? And she was like, well, she just felt like there were inconsistencies in it. Katie. Okay, well, y'.

[Andy Cohen]

All.

[Ronnie]

Well, I thought your backstory wasn't consistent. You know, she goes, okay, so I need to explain myself from 12 years ago. I mean, yes, because you're on Orange county and we're going back 15, so, yes, I guess so. And Emily is like, well, but you use content creators, podcasters, journalists, whatever you want to call them to fight your battles, and you're allowed to be that piss. Katie. That's fine, but at least have the guts to bring it up to me to my face.

[Ben Mandelker]

Says the woman who, like, waited till a reunion to bring up the backstory about Katie's, you know, like, whatever she went through in Georgia. Katie's like, well, and I truly apologize for how I handled it.

[Ronnie]

Why is Katie apologizing? This is making me crazy. Okay? And by the way, did you see the article that came out yesterday about Emily? Fucking hypocrite blogger. This is from reality Blurb. Blogger leaks Emily Simpson's alleged dms and claims Emily asked them to post negative content about this real. So this is from someone named Bravo Boo. And there is screenshots. She came with receipts. And Emily basically sent her a DM because who made this video? Let me see. Okay, here's the DM from Emily. Would you believe her loser agent publicist posted shitty things about me after saying things, by the way, this is my opinion and my perspective, which I'm allowed to have when people are asking questions. And that's what being a housewife is all about. Sharing your opinion and your perspective and being real and authentic about it. Oh, God, I just opened Instagram and authentic about it. And you can choose not to agree or disagree, but this is exactly how I feel. And then this is a clip. I'm trying to make this bigger. Her agent posted this. How completely unprofessional. And the blogger saying, oh, my God, no fucking way. I am reposting it, but I will not say I got it from you. That's so low. Alexis is so insecure. It reeks of her. It reeks off of her. And this stuff shows it even more. I'm busy. But I will make a post about the publicist because I really am writing hard for Shannon right now. So she's like, I'm busy. I'm busy fighting Shannon's battles as a blogger, but I will get back to you in just a moment about fighting your blood, your battles. And so Emily says, don't feel obligated. I just wanted to share because I was so grossed out by it. And then the Bravo Boo says, I'm not feeling obligated at all, but you're messaging bloggers with shit that you want them to put out and waiting until they put it out. And said blogger is too busy putting out shit for Shannon right now, so she's gonna have to get to you after. Okay? And I love that the Bravo Boo's shameless. She's just like, yeah, that's what I was doing. And I was also writing hard for Shannon, so here's the proof. Everybody eating it up. But anyway, the point of this is that Emily is, as we all know, a hypocrite. And you think the only person she's writing is Bravo, Boo. Doubtful.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, doubtful. Doubtful. So Jen is like. And he's like, okay, well, why did you say Katie was a con artist between seasons? Jen? Was it because you knew she was talking to people behind everyone's backs? Is that why? I'll tell you, Andy, thank you so much for asking me this. Things were just, like, not adding up. But do you care? Nothing related.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I was gonna say.

[Ben Mandelker]

What else did you.

[Ronnie]

Jen.

[Ben Mandelker]

They were. This is you.

[Ronnie]

Could you imagine Jen getting the bill and trying to figure out the tip at the end? It's like, no one's asking you what.

[Ben Mandelker]

Happened to the middle part of the Cheerios? Are they just in some factory somewhere?

[Ronnie]

How are these not called satios when they've been and hollowed out like that?

[Ben Mandelker]

Sadios. Why are they called sadios? Thank you, Ryan.

[Ronnie]

Somewhere in Beverly Hills. Okay, well, yeah, things weren't adding up. Okay. And I've asked, you know, you've asked me this a million times, Katie. And I don't remember telling Gina that, you know, you were a con artist. So I. I can't sit here today and say that Jen never remembers anything. That's always Jen's thing. Like, what. What did I. I never remember. I don't remember. So Katie's like, gina, did she say that she's. Well, it was something to the effect of, like, I'm just. I'm like. I'm sitting over here like, is this girl, like, a con artist? And then Ryan's like, no, she's just new. And that's how I remember. Like, I don't remember because I was. And slapping feels so good.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was schlepping a sign that just said just sold for a studio apartment in a senior living facility. So Jen is like. She's like, well, for me, it's just like, you and I have so many conversations, but I was having weird feelings about stories that you were. That you were telling me. Okay, well, we got a lot of questions about the lie detector test. Katie, you told Us Weekly that you felt it was one person who refused to film with you and then went on to say, I think it came from one person who maybe set me up for something, and maybe other. Other people believe something untrue about me.

[Ronnie]

She's like, yeah, well, who was that person? Emily. Duh. She's like, duh, Emily. Of course. She goes, well, I was set up because I don't need a lie detector to know that you're lying, Katie.

[Ben Mandelker]

Dun, dun, dun. And Emily's like, katie said on camera, I'll even take a lie detector attempt chest. I'm like, you weren't even in that. You weren't there when she said that.

[Ronnie]

You weren't even fucking there. And then we see Katie saying, I'm not talking. I'm not talking about stories with bloggers. And Gretchen saying, okay, listen, I believe you. She's like, well, I'll take a lie detector test. So then Emily's like, yeah, that's where it came from. Okay, it wasn't even my idea. It was Gina's idea. And then I was like, let's have a lie detector test. Because then, look, I know they're 86% accurate and they're not admissible in court, et cetera, et cetera.

[Andy Cohen]

And Tamara's like, oh, yeah, if you punch your butthole, you can pass it. Katie told me that. Katie told me that.

[Ronnie]

Well, Katie failed it, so I don't think it worked. She failed on every question.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she really. Yeah, that was. That was a tough time. So then Katie's like, yeah, she told me that. And he goes, okay, well, y' all came up with the questions I might ask. Well, that was my only input in this. That was my only input. The audience should stop being mad at me. It wasn't even my plan. I just said to everyone, bring up the. Make up your own questions. That's my only input. Well, production found the lie detector people because there's only a few that will go on camera. And even though they're on camera, they still won't cut their bangs. It's a big issue. A lot of back and forth on that one.

[Ronnie]

Well, I'm sitting here telling you I had no way to set you up because what am I gonna do? Pull them aside? Like, what am I gonna do, pull them aside and say, you better. They would have caught it on camera. You could have DM'd them. You could have emailed them. You could have talked to them. I mean, lady with the bangs was sure pretty hard on your side, as I recall. I mean, I don't know any other professional lie detector people, quote, unquote, who, when someone leaves, goes, oh, yeah, she's full of shit. Bangs was totally on your side.

[Ben Mandelker]

Exactly.

[Ronnie]

Give me a break.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, and Kate even says that. She goes, they. You know, they did have guys say, like, we've got her Her. There's a plan. Okay, okay. That was Katie. Okay? All that was Katie was that there was, like, a lie to detect test about to happen. And then they said, oh, my God, we got her. Because they were also like, I don't know if you know this, but they were trying really hard to give Julia Roberts a lie detector test. And she was resisting. And then she finally said, okay, I'll take a lie detector test. And then they landed the account. And so she's like, we got her, Kitty. Come on. Like, it makes total sense.

[Ronnie]

And Emily's like, it wasn't my idea. You know, I don't need one to know you're lying. I already knew you were lying. Lying. And she was like, whoa, I wasn't expecting you to fail every question, honestly. But you, Dad, I was. But first of all, if you're gonna set somebody up, like, everyone knows if you're gonna cheat on the test, you gotta get one or two wrong. But you got, like, all of them wrong.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't think cheating goes, that Gene is a moron.

[Ronnie]

Like, I can't even. I'm not even gonna parse what Gina's saying. She's useless. Katie, there seems to be a feeling in the group that you were tougher behind everyone's back than a group of enemies. Saint from Lewis says, why don't you just say to the girls what you say in your confessionals? And she goes, oh, I should. I should.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, a lot of people should. A lot of people in here. I'm just gonna squint at him right now. Shannon.

[Ben Mandelker]

What does that even mean?

[Andy Cohen]

Well, why do you think I'm talking about you, Emily?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I don't think you're talking about me because I say things. So who are you talking about?

[Andy Cohen]

You say a lot of things in your confessions about me. Like. Like, I was like, oh, behind my back or with the gut. The gears. It's like, wow.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, but I trust you. That's what I said.

[Andy Cohen]

No, you said that went to my face.

[Ronnie]

Okay, what else then?

[Andy Cohen]

Well, you make. You make, like, snaz little comments all the time.

[Ronnie]

Like, what, Emily? You do it. You do it with everybody. And also make. You know, saying something to someone's face occasionally doesn't mean it's okay to be an absolute asshole to your friends behind their back either. But she's like, what? Oh, sorry, go ahead.

[Ben Mandelker]

Obviously, the Shannon tries to jump, and she goes, you do do that, Tamara. You do.

[Andy Cohen]

And Tamara's like, shannon, be quiet. No one's talking to you. Just be quiet. Just be quiet. Be quiet. I won't. I will not be quiet. Just sit on the end. Be quiet. Sit on the mat.

[Ronnie]

I'm on a show where everyone expresses their opinions.

[Andy Cohen]

I'm talking to Ebony.

[Ronnie]

You make snide comments, you do it.

[Andy Cohen]

You do it. Shut up. That's. That's therapy speaking. Shut up. No, I just felt like every time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Every time Tamara yells at Shannon, Shannon, like, looks like there's some sort of, like, invisible ref that we're not saying off stage, Shannon just looks over to her left office.

[Andy Cohen]

Cameraman, do you see this cameraman? Do you see this cameraman? Okay. Yeah. Get out of here. You're stupid. You're stupid. And you sit in the last seat. Okay? Yeah. That's right, Eddie. That's right. What was that? Was that Shannon's guy?

[Ben Mandelker]

Um, no, I just tried to get into my car and leave and it didn't work out so well.

[Ronnie]

Sorry. Yeah.

[Andy Cohen]

You know what? But, Emily, my feelings get hurt a lot. You know what I talk about in therapy, which, I mean, every five minutes. Okay. And I don't know if you're trying to be funny or what.

[Ronnie]

She's. What?

[Andy Cohen]

What?

[Ronnie]

What do you mean?

[Andy Cohen]

Well, you know, just like, I've never had any girlfriends, that I'm not a girl's girl.

[Ronnie]

Well, okay. Well, there was a lot of conversations I had with Gretchen and I was trying to explain. Maybe she's never had girlfriends. Maybe she's not a girl's girl. I mean, I don't know. I mean, if that hurts your feelings, I apologize for you.

[Andy Cohen]

Go on.

[Ronnie]

Congratulations. You've reached the end of part one of a two part recap for part two. Go look for the recap that says part two. See you over there, suckers.

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