#3069 RHOC S19E18 Part Two: Behind the Candelabra

Summary

Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens #3069 — RHOC S19E18 Part Two: "Behind the Candelabra"

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: November 7, 2025

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Episode Overview

This high-energy episode features Ben and Ronnie digging into the second part of their recap for the explosive Real Housewives of Orange County (RHOC) Season 19 reunion. With their signature biting wit and Bravo devotion, they scrutinize cast controversies, highlight egregious hypocrisy, and unpack the always-entertaining reunion drama—with a healthy dose of mockery and hilarious asides at every turn. Key topics include accusations of racist comments, long-standing bad blood among the cast (especially Tamra and Gretchen), parenting and children, Slade’s employment (or lack thereof), and endless receipts from years of shady Housewife history.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Addressing Alleged Racist Remarks and Triggers

• The conversation opens with the cast and Ben & Ronnie satirically unraveling a tense moment from the reunion where Katie accuses Gina of making "racist comments," and how these triggered past trauma.
• The hosts lampoon the Housewives’ tendency to deflect responsibility:
  • Heather McDonald deadpans (02:34): “No, it’s not triggering a trauma. What you said was racially fucked up. Who says that to somebody?”
• They poke fun at the show’s awkward handling of "the R word," trying to guess meanings and landing on bizarre alternatives.
• The exhausting refrain of “not here to trigger trauma” becomes a running joke throughout the discussion.

Memorable Quote:

• Andy Cohen (02:23): “I’m in the business of selling one bedrooms to 75-year-olds, okay?”

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2. Children of Orange County: Where Are They Now? (07:49–12:56)

• Montage and commentary on OC's “housewife kids,” contrasting the public’s obsession with offspring against some of the rocky past trajectories.
• Emily’s son’s rare condition (PANDAS, triggered by strep) sets off a rambling, comical tangent about healing with lasers and questionable medical advice.
• The hosts offer biting commentary on Emily’s parenting, referencing her “anti-vax, MAGA stuff,” and the general unreliability of medical diagnoses presented on Bravo.
• Jokes abound about pandas (“Can a panda ever sit still?” asks Andy, 09:34) and the confusing medical drama.

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3. Family Dynamics & Over-Sharing

• Tamra shares her fraught relationship with her daughter Sydney, often against her daughter’s wishes, leading to:
  • Heather McDonald (14:10): “Sydney is at home throwing remote controls at the TV, like, leave me alone.”
• Shannon’s daughter Estella is traveling and considering hospitality; this leads to snarky jabs about parenting and career advice:
  • Shannon (14:30): “She also let me know that she wants to go into hospitality. I said, that’s not a real career. And she said, you’re not a real mother.”
• Further digs at Emily’s domestic life with Shane and the infamous "wife swap" episode, deemed a franchise low point.

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4. The Grand Gretchen-Slade Roast (18:03–31:38)

• Gretchen’s over-the-top pink getup is lampooned (“costume,” “pink Elsa,” “fashion crime”).
• Slade’s job situation is dissected:
  • He’s described as a “consultant” and unpaid Liberace Foundation board member, prompting the hosts to question the legitimacy—and motivation—of this gig.
  • Ben/Ronnie (21:48): “So he’s doing nothing is what you’re saying. He’s doing nothing.”
• The Gretchen/Slade narrative is called out for allegedly strategic unmarried status to avoid Slade’s outstanding child support.
  • Ronnie (24:24): “That’s canceling himself because he doesn’t want to have money to pay that child support back, and we all fucking know it.”
• Past drama unearthed: revisiting Gretchen’s on-camera proposal, doubts raised about its authenticity (“I know the inside scoop, okay, you can’t do this” — Andy, 31:26), and accusations Gretchen only wants a televised wedding.
• The hosts eviscerate Gretchen’s claim that Tamra sabotaged Slade’s career, dismissing the “cancel culture” excuse.

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5. Perpetual Hypocrisy & Receipts

• Old grievances rehashed—photos, affairs, and unending tit-for-tat.
• Tamra’s hypocrisy is repeatedly skewered for bringing up old scandals while condemning others for the same:
  • Andy Cohen (40:21): “It’s pure hypocrisy. That’s what this is. Everyone. Who do you think you are?”
• The hosts marvel at the cast’s tendency to weaponize ancient dirt, including Tamra pulling out 15-year-old receipts at a recent cake party.
• Shannon is repeatedly told to “shut up,” prompting exasperation from Heather about the group’s unwillingness to allow anyone else to speak.
  • Heather (40:39): “Why is Tamra allowed to just do this every time Shannon speaks?... What kind of therapy are you going to?”

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6. Bravo Crossovers: Salt Lake City/Below Deck & Christina Applegate’s Commentary (25:00–27:18)

• The hosts briefly break from OC to mock Christina Applegate’s callout of Salt Lake City ladies’ behavior on Below Deck:
  • They chide her for moralizing reality TV antics and joke about cast and staff behavior:
    Andy Cohen (25:52): “You know who doesn’t respect the hard work of the staff... is the staff of Below Deck.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|---------------|-------| | 02:23 | Andy Cohen | “I’m in the business of selling one bedrooms to 75-year-olds, okay?” | | 02:34 | Heather McDonald | “No, it’s not triggering a trauma. What you said was racially fucked up. Who says that to somebody?” | | 10:06 | Heather McDonald | “And I’m not even criticizing it because I don’t know, I’m just saying I didn’t find [laser on the brain as a treatment] in my amateur research.” | | 21:17 | Heather McDonald | “Slade is listed as an unpaid board member... He’s a volunteer board member of this Liberace foundation in Vegas.” | | 24:24 | Heather McDonald | “That’s canceling himself because he doesn’t want to have money to have to pay that child support back, and we all fucking know it.” | | 31:26 | Andy Cohen | “I know the inside scoop, okay, you can’t do this.” | | 40:21 | Andy Cohen | “It’s pure hypocrisy. That’s what this is. Everyone. Who do you think you are?” | | 43:03 | Heather McDonald | “He’s like, this was a whole segment about how you’ve been coming after her for 15 years. But of course, she immediately turns and was like, you been coming FTV and you been going after my husband and he been going after me...” |

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Section-by-Section Timestamps

• Racist Comments & Triggered Trauma – 01:32–05:24
• OC Children Montage & Family Dysfunction – 07:49–15:32
• Gretchen & Slade’s Employment, Finance, and Engagement Farce – 18:03–31:38
• Salt Lake City on Below Deck, Applegate Critique – 25:00–27:18
• Affair Accusations & Hypocrisy Roundtable – 31:55–43:31

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Overall Tone & Takeaway

Ben and Ronnie, with their trademark snark and affection, mercilessly roast the RHOC cast while dissecting the reunion’s serious and frivolous moments alike. No one escapes mockery—be it for dodging responsibility, endless “trauma” talk, financial games, or Bravo’s cross-franchise dramas. Fans get a thorough, irreverent, and genuinely funny recap that both celebrates and skewers the absurdity of all things Housewives.

“We mock because we love.”

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For a laugh-packed deep dive into Bravo's wildest reunions, this episode of Watch What Crappens is unmissable.

Transcript

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[Andy Cohen]

Hi everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that, let's get right back into the episode.

[Tamara Tattles]

And also, thanks for saying Gretchen instead of Gretchers.

[Andy Cohen]

Gretchers. My bad, Gretchers. Gina, good night.

[Tamara Tattles]

You forgave Katie at the hot pot.

[Heather McDonald]

How hurtful was it hearing from Kiki Monique that Katie told her that she perceived you to be making racist comments.

[Tamara Tattles]

While Emily was putting eggs in her.

[Heather McDonald]

Purse and trying to be hilarious while dissing an entire country's friends food choices?

[Andy Cohen]

Well, I would like to address this. Obviously you can understand how that sounds horrifying to me. Like with that sad now, me watching back and seeing like that whatever I said, which was totally not meant to be malicious in any way, shape or form, but seeing that, that triggered a trauma in you from your past. Like I'm not in the business of triggering trauma.

[Tamara Tattles]

Like I'm not here to trigger trauma.

[Heather McDonald]

Who triggered trauma?

[Andy Cohen]

I'm in the business of selling one bedrooms to 75 year olds, okay?

[Heather McDonald]

I love when she kept saying trigger trauma. I was cracking up.

[Tamara Tattles]

I'm not here to trigger trauma, okay? And if that's what I did in.

[Heather McDonald]

That moment, then like I understand that and I'm sorry for that. No, it's not triggering a trauma. What you said was racially fucked up. Who says that to somebody? And she did wear Asian designers. And I don't know why anybody's listening to Gina. Like Gina would know where any designer is from besides TJ Maxx.

[Andy Cohen]

I think that. No, Gina, I. I have to say I do appreciate. Cuz Gina has been doing a really good job of celebrating Asian designers too, because she's. It's sheen, right? Is that the. Is that the brand that she's been wearing?

[Heather McDonald]

I really support 10 year olds being forced into labor to glue clothes together. So I'm really there. I'm on the forefront.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, I appreciate that it didn't trigger a trauma. It just seemed inappropriate to say at the time. And I never called you the R word.

[Tamara Tattles]

And.

[Heather McDonald]

And I said, well, you should, because I'm not, you know, like, that wouldn't be a very nice thing to say. You shouldn't say that about disabled people. No, the other R word. Which one? Sorry? No, no, you can't say that, Gina. Well, isn't that what you said?

[Andy Cohen]

Real estate?

[Heather McDonald]

What? You said you. I was calling you. No, no, I said I wasn't calling you the R word. Oh, okay. I don't know what that is, but thank you. You know, I just said it had undertones that made it feel R. She's like, oh, Republican.

[Tamara Tattles]

Don't say that.

[Heather McDonald]

I can get canceled for that.

[Andy Cohen]

Roton. No, we are not going to. Fat shame.

[Heather McDonald]

Roli. I love that show. You can call me in the hardwood.

[Andy Cohen]

Rotini. Yeah, I love that position.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, you can call me.

[Heather McDonald]

I accept that. And like, I really wish instead of sitting down with Kikimoni and you would have sat down with me. And she's like, yeah, but to your point, why would she sit down with you? You were having a fight with her at the time and you were making shitty comments behind her back. Why does she need to sit down with you about it, saying something later? Why weren't you sitting down with all the people you sit and giggle, their screenshots of gossip with, with Emily? Why aren't you the one about, you know, shut up, Gina.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, why aren't you Apollo? Like, why all this talk about, like, I wish you would have come and talked, you know, just said it to my face, basically, when she's like, like you said, just doing all this stuff behind people's backs. So Katie is like, yeah, but to your point, we were trying to do better. And I told her, I said, you said, you know, I don't think Gina's a bad person, but these times made me feel that way. And her and I were bonding over being people of color in this space because it's predominantly not people of color. Right. And to be the first Asian on Orange county in 18 years means a lot to me. That's my subtle way of saying thank you for all you white ladies for running off the one piece of diversity that comes across the stage in. In years and years and years.

[Tamara Tattles]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

But my intention was not to trigger trauma. And, like, you know, even if I trigger trauma, like, I didn't mean to.

[Tamara Tattles]

Run you off because of your race.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, I meant to run you off because of your personality. So, like, I hope that.

[Tamara Tattles]

That. That suffices.

[Heather McDonald]

And she's like, thank you. Thank you, Katie.

[Tamara Tattles]

Okay, does anyone else want to apologize to Katie?

[Heather McDonald]

And everyone's just silent. And so Katie's like, well, I mean, I. If you guys need any ideas, I think being called as evil as Alexis could get an apology. And Shannon's like, well, I was.

[Tamara Tattles]

I was gonna say earlier, but when.

[Heather McDonald]

Bravo came to me, when Bravo Social came to me and said, is there anything that you regret from this season? And I said, I was so hurt.

[Tamara Tattles]

By the thought that you would betray.

[Heather McDonald]

Me that I wasn't happy with what I said after you betrayed me. So you know what came first? The chicken or the egg? I don't know.

[Andy Cohen]

Either way, I will have both for breakfast tomorrow.

[Heather McDonald]

Thank you.

[Andy Cohen]

So Andy said. Andy is like, katie, is there a place to move forward with some of the people in this group? I hope so. All right, well, I do, too.

[Tamara Tattles]

Okay.

[Andy Cohen]

And so then Gina's like, oh, my God. This is, like, the stupidest thing I've ever won. I swear. I'm like, guess what? I'm going to say. No, it's not the stupidest, because we've seen a lot of things on Eugenia. We've seen a lot of looks, but it's not great.

[Heather McDonald]

You're correct. You're correct. It's not great.

[Andy Cohen]

Every time I look at you, I'm like, she has to be uncomfortable. It's like the stupidest choice I've ever made.

[Heather McDonald]

I am sweating. Is no one hot in here? Is no one menopausal?

[Andy Cohen]

Whoa, whoa. Double Alfredo. That was a good one. Write that one down. It's going into one woman show.

[Heather McDonald]

You're the one who's always freezing. What's going on here? Okay, so whatever. So now we go to Gretchen. Dun, dun, dun. So she's in her trailer, and she's not allowing Slade to come. And she's saying he's going to be supportive at home. And then back on the couches, Shannon is like, oh, my God, I hate this. There's a side view of my tree trunk over here. So back to Gretchen.

[Tamara Tattles]

She's like, I'm Excited about clearing up all that BS that Katie has spent.

[Andy Cohen]

I think Lamb is like, what's she saying?

[Tamara Tattles]

Yes. She's saying that I told her that Tamara drugged me, which is not true. I never said that. I did say it. I never said it.

[Andy Cohen]

Maybe I did, but I didn't.

[Tamara Tattles]

When I didn't. But that happened. But it didn't happen. Everybody needs to understand. Not understand it, because I'm telling the truth. Not it's opposite.

[Andy Cohen]

In 19 seasons of Orange county, we see many real Househouse kids grow up before our eyes. You even if their mom somehow never age a day. And while this group doesn't always agree on everything, they all share one characteristic in common. Everyone here is a loving and devoted mom.

[Tamara Tattles]

Watch.

[Heather McDonald]

Go ahead.

[Andy Cohen]

Sorry, I just. No, I'm just. Orange county kids are real special. We've had 19 years of watching these kids grow up, different kids grow up. And like, actually this current batch is doing pretty well, I would say overall. But I have to say the Orange county track record has been pretty rough.

[Heather McDonald]

It's been bad. Pretty rough.

[Andy Cohen]

When it comes, the trajectory has been great. Yeah.

[Tamara Tattles]

And basically, guys, I'm going to pretend this is a segment about everybody's kids, but I'm really going to give about five minutes for Emily to come up.

[Heather McDonald]

With self diagnoses for her son.

[Tamara Tattles]

Emily, let's do this.

[Andy Cohen]

Excuse me. How could you not even include any content about Nikki? He works for the Altman Group. This is a disgrace. He's 19 and a realtor. If you ever exclude my children again from. From the children growing up, well, montage. It will cost you a lot.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, oh, I'm sorry. Sirens are coming. I shouldn't have mentioned Orange county children. Okay, sorry, that was my bad.

[Andy Cohen]

Emily, did Dawson pass out again?

[Heather McDonald]

Emily, go ahead. So she's like, oh my God, everything with Luke is so crazy. And then I was getting all these emails from people on DMs and they were like, oh, okay, I'll post that thing about. I'll post that thing about Katie later. Oh, sorry, that was the wrong dm. I was getting things from DM and these moms were like, have you tested him for pandas? Wait a minute. That's amazing. I love pandas.

[Andy Cohen]

Cut.

[Heather McDonald]

Can. Can a panda ever sit still? That's my question.

[Andy Cohen]

Oh my God, pandas are so cute. I watched so many panda videos. This is serious. Are you sure? Because like the other day I saw a panda and was like trying to get into a tie and then it like fell over. It was so cute.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, sorry.

[Andy Cohen]

That Was my person applauding Eugenia?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, he's got something called pandas because he had strep throat. And this strep throat went to his brain. And now I'm gonna get lasers on his brain. The brain's gonna be shrunk by the lasers.

[Andy Cohen]

This is actually crazy.

[Heather McDonald]

This actually crazy story. I looked up pandas after. Cause I was like, what? Like some of this. I never know what to believe on housewives, you know, I really never do. And especially when it comes to Emily, because, you know, Emily has a lot of anti vax, you know, maga stuff in her history. So I'm like, well, is this coming from a medical doctor? Like, what is this? What? And it's pretty crazy what it is. I didn't find anything that said laser on the brain was a treatment for it, honestly. And I'm not even criticizing it because I don't know, I'm just saying I didn't find that in my amateur research into it, but this is nuts. So she's going to take her kid in and basically it caused brain swelling on him, which is causing all these bizarre behaviors. And the lasers are supposed to shrink your brain a little bit.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, I. I don't. I don't know. I don't understand any of that. But, like, it's crazy. I mean, strep throat is, like, very scary because, like, you cannot strep throat. And then a month later, it like, rears its ugly head again in some terrible other form. But I never heard about this, and I don't doubt it at all. I know it's a real thing because I. I did. I did look it up as well. But, like, that is a scary. That must be really, really scary. And I. I actually do think it was one of the upsides of her. You know, we. There was a lot. We criticize a lot that she was using this as a storyline. But this is one of the upsides is that, like, that a lot of moms, like, reached out to her and were like, you should check this out. Because if that really is one of the causes of his be like some of his, like, unexpected behavior, like, it's good to get a. A grasp on that. But that was. This is really wild. So, yeah, I guess we'll. We'll see how that. That pans out.

[Heather McDonald]

We'll see how that pans out. All right.

[Andy Cohen]

Pandas out. Yeah. Alfredo.

[Heather McDonald]

So sensitive. So, yeah. So then we talk about Dawson graduating at his boot camp ceremony, and she's like, well, you know, you know, so many people Worried about Dawson. And I also got messages, which is crazy. I did get a lot of messages of pandas, though, which was very weird. So I'm not sure if that's the same thing, but I just want to reiterate. Pandas are great, you know? And two plus two pandas. Who loves six pandas? Me. I do. Okay, things are still not adding up. Just tell us about Dawson. He's kind of hot. Okay, well, Dawson faints a lot, so he was tired.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, well, you know, he was in boot camp in the last three days. It's called the Crucible. It's this crazy thing where they have to, like, stay up all night and perform the entire play of the Crucible. And I just. I just. I think it was just, like, a lot for him. Arthur Miller is very intense, and he just passed out, and I can understand.

[Heather McDonald]

That, but he did come.

[Andy Cohen]

Are you sure that's what the Crucible is?

[Heather McDonald]

Come back with the letter A tattooed on his chest, which I still don't really get.

[Andy Cohen]

That's. I mean, that's. That's the Scarlet Letter, Jen. Oh, no. I'm sorry. What. What I meant to say was that he.

[Tamara Tattles]

He.

[Andy Cohen]

He was going to be. He was going to be hanged. And then it turned out that he got to escape, but then it turned out it was all a dream. That's. That's another piece of fiction from high school, too.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, basically, what happened, Andy, is He was. He was on his way to boot camp and the plane crashed. And then all of his friends were stuck out there and they had to take care of themselves. And then they started to turn on each other until one got a conch shell and the nerd lost his glasses and became a monster and killed everybody.

[Andy Cohen]

I think that's Lord of the Flies. No, that's actually Ryan. He just loves getting into those flies. Am I right? Anyone?

[Tamara Tattles]

No.

[Heather McDonald]

So, Tamara, you mentioned that you and Sydney saw each other. She hates when you talk about her on television. Talk about it.

[Tamara Tattles]

So she's like, ah, she came to the house, she's gone. Lunch with Sophia Simon. I said. And I said, you better hug me or I'm going to call the police on you. So she hugged me. And then she said, you better not talk about this on television. And I said, I promise you, I want to. Let me go. Telling me girl. And then she lived. Sydney, Sydney, Sydney, Sydney, Sydney, Sydney. Sydney's on TV right now, and I'm so sad about it. Andy.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, Sydney is at home throwing remote controls at the tv, like, leave me alone.

[Tamara Tattles]

Yeah, she's coming.

[Andy Cohen]

She's like. She's like.

[Tamara Tattles]

She's like Curly Simon. She's coming around again.

[Andy Cohen]

Sandy's like, oh, good, that's great. Shannon, Estella still visiting every country in the northern.

[Tamara Tattles]

Northern hemisphere?

[Andy Cohen]

Yes, she is. And she also let me know that she wants to go into hospitality. I said, that's not a real career. And she said, you're not a real mother.

[Tamara Tattles]

I said, oh, don't you speak to me. I brought you into this world. I'll take you out of this world. And she said, try to reach me. I'm in Europe now.

[Andy Cohen]

And I said, okay, well, that's fine, but, you know, I am still your mother and I'm alone right now and I'm going through things. And she said, well, I'm never going.

[Tamara Tattles]

To come back to America.

[Andy Cohen]

So, yeah, things are great. I'm really happy with her choices.

[Tamara Tattles]

She's going into hospitality, so naturally she's.

[Heather McDonald]

Not coming back to America where there.

[Tamara Tattles]

Are no restaurants or hotels. So that's sad. Okay, Emily, Sam from Waterston's daughter has Sam Waterston's face. Isn't that crazy?

[Heather McDonald]

Wants to know how was your relationship with Shane going? Oh, God, who cares?

[Andy Cohen]

But everyone wants to know.

[Heather McDonald]

Everybody burning in all of our minds. How's it going with Shane?

[Andy Cohen]

Well, you know, everyone. You know, I got from a lot of places. I just, like, change. Just like solid and pragmatic. He's just unemotional about things and it's just, like, really helpful.

[Tamara Tattles]

Yeah.

[Andy Cohen]

And I loved your wife swap episode. Did you experience anything in your home with Shane and are you doing more around the house? Does anyone care about this? Everyone agrees it was the worst wife swap episode of the season. Right, everyone? No.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, the writing sure did, Andy. But I did learn that pigs make me more tolerable. So I might be shooting with one next season.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, do you realize that Shane does a lot. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Shane like that other wife, too. Emily, you better watch out.

[Heather McDonald]

Another thing that was on the Internet today was the wife from that episode, the snotty New Jersey wife. And she was doing those one. One of those videos where you're putting on makeup and talking at the same time.

[Andy Cohen]

Come get ready with me.

[Heather McDonald]

She's like, get ready.

[Andy Cohen]

Come get ready with me.

[Tamara Tattles]

Yeah. So, you know, I went on wife swap, and, you know, I'm kind of.

[Heather McDonald]

Connected to the Gorg because I was the lady that had that house that. Remember when Joe Gorga said that he flipped that house, but then he used fake pictures that was my house and I had to go online and tell him to stop using my house and then he did. So that's my drama. The New York, the New Jersey ladies. Do you remember that?

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, I do.

[Heather McDonald]

I love Bravo. Kept this lady because, you know, they were going to add her to Jersey just to have that for a storyline and didn't keep her, but ended up just using her for wife swap instead.

[Andy Cohen]

Yep, exactly.

[Heather McDonald]

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[Tamara Tattles]

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[Andy Cohen]

So now we go to break and when we come back, they're all predicting that, that Gretchen's gonna wear pink because, like, of course, you know. And then Emily's like, oh, Tamara's wearing pink too. Isn't that funny that they match? You guys were given a color scheme of pink, maroon, and stupid. Okay, like, there will be some overlap. So Gretchen comes out, she's wearing. Is that like a corset? What do you call that kind of top? It's almost. I. I don't know. I don't know. But like the boning and it's like very much like, it's like sexy boudoir bordello. I. I forget what you. It's not, that's not like. Is that a corset top? Is it a corset?

[Heather McDonald]

Is it a. Yeah, it's like kind of an ice skating type thing. Weird outfit as usual. So she, she's not booed, so I'm immediately annoyed. And everybody just jumps on her and starts kissing her ass and telling her how beautiful she looks. Of course they're doing it in their way, you know, which is like, wow, Gretchen, you Look so great. Andy says you look like a pink Elsa.

[Tamara Tattles]

And Tamara's like, I was thinking, chime benev, Auntie.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, I love the way you dress. It's just so poor person. But also, maybe you could be on your way to work at a child's birthday party.

[Tamara Tattles]

It's just so.

[Heather McDonald]

Maybe it's a costume.

[Tamara Tattles]

Maybe it's an outfit.

[Heather McDonald]

Maybe she's born with it. Maybe it's a fashion crime.

[Tamara Tattles]

I don't know.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, one of those. Gosh, you look great, Grengers.

[Andy Cohen]

You look great. Yeah. When? And by the way, I just want you to know that when I said she looked like she'd been preserved in formaldehyde, that's a compliment. Yeah. Meaning you're beautiful, Gretchen. You're so beautiful. And you know what? The more transphobic things you love, the more beautiful you become. You're beautiful.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. So I was kind of grossed, and.

[Tamara Tattles]

Gretchen's like, yeah, I mean, listen, I could take it on the chin. You know what I mean? It's made out of titanium. Okay, well, what have you been doing.

[Heather McDonald]

Since we last saw you besides begging me to be back? You obviously have a beautiful daughter with laid face.

[Tamara Tattles]

And in terms of, like, work, what.

[Heather McDonald]

Have you been doing?

[Tamara Tattles]

She's like, well, like, I do digital marketing, and I'm considered an influencer. And so that's my main source of income for me. So use. Use Gretchen, code 20 to get a discount.

[Heather McDonald]

I was like, oh, my God. You practice this and you still can't get it out. Right? Code Gretchen, 20.

[Tamara Tattles]

To get a discount on what? Discounts.

[Andy Cohen]

A discount on discounts? Yeah, that's the. What's that discount on song. Okay, great.

[Heather McDonald]

So Andy's like, what is Slade doing?

[Tamara Tattles]

And she's like, oh, he's a consultant, and he also sits on the liberal Liberace foundation board.

[Andy Cohen]

So.

[Tamara Tattles]

See, we can't hate gay people. He loves Liberace, and that's the gayest people there ever was.

[Andy Cohen]

Right? And Liberace was famously very comfortable with homosexuality.

[Heather McDonald]

Super loved it. And Andy's like, Liberace the pianist. No, Andy Liberace the house painter. Yes, Liberace the pianist. And someone also posted today. And thank you, social media, for giving me so much today.

[Andy Cohen]

Thank you so much.

[Heather McDonald]

They posted that Slade is listed as an unpaid board member. He's a volunteer board member of this Liberace foundation in Vegas.

[Andy Cohen]

What does the Liberace foundation actually do?

[Heather McDonald]

It supports children in the arts. Like, it gives grants to kids in the arts. And I actually know because I went there, I Saw Liberace's house with Jackie Siegel, and so I met those people, and let me tell you, that is an incredible nothing. Really. I mean, I don't know what I'm gonna say, except I think that Slade hooked this up through friends of theirs, probably, if I had to guess.

[Andy Cohen]

No, he literally said it. Gretchen literally says that.

[Tamara Tattles]

She's like, so, like, we are friends with Jonathan Warren, and he's like the console of to, like, Monaco, and he runs the foundation of Las Vegas, and so he has Slade to be on that board.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Andy Cohen]

What. Who is saying. Who wants. Who's saying Slade Smiley should be on.

[Heather McDonald]

The Liberace board, paid, and has volunteered.

[Andy Cohen]

This is.

[Heather McDonald]

So he's doing nothing is what you're saying. He's doing nothing.

[Andy Cohen]

Wow.

[Tamara Tattles]

All right.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, we had a bitter feud, 16 years and counting.

[Tamara Tattles]

And Tamro and Gretcher reintroduced themselves to each other in hopes they could view.

[Heather McDonald]

Each other in a better light. Unfortunately, Bravo won't spring for better lights, so everybody looks just as crazy.

[Tamara Tattles]

Okay, let's check out some flashbacks.

[Heather McDonald]

So we see some flashbacks of all of this stuff, and then we go.

[Tamara Tattles]

Okay, Tamra Boobs from RSQ wants to.

[Heather McDonald]

Know, how can you pretend that bringing Joe to La Rosa to two events.

[Tamara Tattles]

Wasn'T an intentional dig? Gretchen.

[Andy Cohen]

And she.

[Tamara Tattles]

Well, it wasn't a dick at Gretchen. Joe is one of my friends who I like to bring around because she pisses off Gretchen. And Gretchen's like, yeah, but I do think that, like, it's interesting that, like, out of all the people that she could have picked a brigg, she brought you out. But, I mean, I guess I don't expect anything. Anything less. However. No, no, stop saying however at the end of sentence. It doesn't work that way. I'm not here to serve you. I didn't sing. You were.

[Heather McDonald]

So, Gretchen, how are you blaming Tamara for Slade not having a job for nearly two decades?

[Tamara Tattles]

She's like, if it came across that way, then I'm sorry. No, it didn't come across that way. It's what you said, Gretchen. Well, what I was trying to say is that, like, being on the public domain at such a level like, that it can cause harm to someone's life.

[Heather McDonald]

No, you didn't say that. You said that everything Tamara did made it impossible for him to get work. That's what she said.

[Andy Cohen]

Let me tell you. Let me tell you something. He is like, oh, he's like a white, straight, Christian man. He will, like, if. If he's. If he has a shred of competency People are going to let him, like, have another shot and give him jobs.

[Heather McDonald]

His job, like, that's mooching off of graduate. That's what his job is.

[Andy Cohen]

He can get a job, ok? He has, like, a lot of privilege. And he, like, we've seen it before. Cancel Culture only goes really so far. It's not actually really a real thing. People. Everyone rebounds from Cancel culture. He is. He's not canceled from Tamra. He is canceled from either laziness or his own ineptitude.

[Heather McDonald]

That's canceling himself because he doesn't want to have money to have to pay that child support back, and we all fucking know it. So you can say whatever you want to, but he's not making money on purpose. And he's working, working, quote, unquote, for you. Holding that camera so you guys don't. To pay the child support, which is also why you're not married, why you're not married to him, so they can't start garnishing your ass. Okay, Gretchers. So.

[Andy Cohen]

And I like Tamara's response because she's.

[Tamara Tattles]

Like, oh, yeah, but him getting arrested didn't affect him trying to get a job hit.

[Andy Cohen]

Wait, what? What did Slade get arrested?

[Heather McDonald]

Child support.

[Andy Cohen]

Was it child support you got. He actually got arrested over that?

[Heather McDonald]

I think I'll look it up while you. While you do the rest.

[Tamara Tattles]

What now? See everything that's out there? That's why I can't get a job, Ronnie.

[Heather McDonald]

So Tam, he was arrested in 2009 on a civil contempt warning for failing to pay child support. Yeah.

[Andy Cohen]

Oh, okay. So Gretchen Chase from Salt Lake City is crazy on a yacht.

[Tamara Tattles]

Sorry.

[Andy Cohen]

Christina Applegate wants to know how does Slade.

[Heather McDonald]

What do you think of that whole thing? Everybody's like, oh, my God. So for those of you who didn't see that Christina Applegate came out with a tweet and was like, oh, how dare the ladies of Salt Lake City not respect the staff of this boat. That is disgusting. And I've watched a lot of this in my life, and people are like, oh, my God. Queen icon. I was kind of like, come on, Karen. This is Salt Lake City ladies on below deck. They're doing their job. Let them work. Please back up. I don't need your morals here. Christina Applegate.

[Andy Cohen]

You know who doesn't respect the hard work of the staff on below deck is the staff of below deck. They're the ones who have all, like, well, Daisy. Daisy is trying her best, but meaning that, like, Daisy had to put up with Gary for, like, four years and everyone's had to deal with so much just internally, with all the up power structures there that like the Salt Lake. The salt. The women on Salt Lake are the least of anyone's concerns on that.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, call the police. You're complaining about what kind of Bravo fan Salt Lake City ladies are too crazy on Below Deck.

[Andy Cohen]

Oh, no, this is, this, this is like literally a gift to Below Deck because there's so many Real Housewives watchers who like, refuse to watch Below Deck. And this is Bravo's way of being like, you should watch this other franchise that we have, this other blockbuster franchise that's really good. So this, if anything, she should be appreciative of this great exposure that the brand is getting.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And if anybody needs to be criticized, it's the staff for trying to interrupt fights to do stupid things like serve a stupid monster head cake, put it down on the table, and walk away. Now is not the time for you to come have your captain sitting down scene. Okay, you either sit here and take the fight or you walk away, which you did. But you don't get both choices. Okay? You're either in it or you're not in it. But this is not about you. This is about the Salt Lake City Housewives and they came to work and give us the best season of any show this year. So quiet Applegate.

[Andy Cohen]

Quiet Applegate. Still love you, but quiet and love you in general.

[Heather McDonald]

But on this one, nah, you're wrong on this one.

[Andy Cohen]

Take the L. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Take, take, take the L. So Andy's like, how does Slade contribute to the household?

[Tamara Tattles]

Well, what you guys didn't see on camera is I said when Slade goes to the grocery store, it goes to his account so, like, he can buy.

[Andy Cohen]

Like, Mac and cheese.

[Tamara Tattles]

And that's like, really helpful for both of us.

[Heather McDonald]

Uh huh. So if Slade doesn't have a job or make any money, what's in his account? Nothing. You have a joint account. That's all your money. So if he goes to the store, he pays for it with your account, and if you go to the store, you pay for it with your account. Stop trying to be slippery, Gretchen. You're not smart.

[Andy Cohen]

Whatever your relationship is with Slade, it's absolutely your business. Sure. The only reason it was even a conversation is because we were talking about getting married and you said you couldn't marry him because of financial reasons. And I said, that's hilarious. You don't even have three pennies to your name between both of you, so why even bother with that? That was never going to be on the table.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't think we meant to say who is buying the groceries. I think we meant to say, you get groceries. How do either of you afford groceries? But that's neither here nor there.

[Andy Cohen]

My question to you was more like, what is your favorite product? Canned salmon or canned okra? I just am so curious about this whole canning revolution.

[Heather McDonald]

Just a little one.

[Andy Cohen]

Just a little one. Someone check out Alfredo. I think he fell over.

[Heather McDonald]

And here we go. Another problem with this is that Heather's referencing a convers they had in 2012. So we see a flashback to that where Gretchen's like, well, Selene is trying.

[Tamara Tattles]

To get caught up on Deb and trying to get the things resolved with.

[Heather McDonald]

In court, child support. And she's like, okay, so you don't want to take that on in marriage? And she goes, yeah, I don't want to take it on. So that was when Gretchen had a moment of honesty 13 years ago and decided not to ever have another one after. So we come back to the present.

[Andy Cohen]

It's, by the way, also a little shitty if you really think about it. Initially I remember thinking like, well, I get that, yes, his in order before I, like, get married, but I also kind of feel like if you love someone, you're like, we're going to get through this together, right? Like, I'm going to help you get through this. That way we can start our life together. Not like, okay, you figure out your shit and then, then you can finally get married to me.

[Heather McDonald]

If that was a decent person there and they said, look, you have a contentious breakup with your ex. You've got a child, this child has cancer. You have not paid $150,000 in child support to a cancer ridden child. I'm going to help you pay this because I'm going to be part of your family now and we're going to take care of this and take care of this child who deserves your money. At the very least, if he's not going to have your love or anything else, he's going to get your money and we're going to take care of this. They don't say, I'm not going to marry you because I don't want to be responsible for that mistake you made with that cancer kid. She's a wretched fucking human being. Thank you, Eddie. She is disgusting. So there are so many reasons to hate this lady. I cannot believe they're sitting here acting like, oh, sorry we asked you about it, Gretcher.

[Tamara Tattles]

Sorry.

[Andy Cohen]

So Heather's like, okay, then you got Engaged. And that's why we thought this was all fake.

[Tamara Tattles]

Yeah. And not. No, not one of us ever said that your relationship is fake. B. Tch.

[Andy Cohen]

No, it was about the proposal based on what you told me on camera. And then we see that proposal, that crazy thing where she's like, will you be.

[Tamara Tattles]

Will you get married to me? She's like, look, however, that was a very real moment for me to be there, even though the producer said that it was kind of a fake moment.

[Andy Cohen]

On a special that aired like six years ago.

[Tamara Tattles]

But getting engaged to the man that I loved after I said I'd just been in the hospital and was told.

[Andy Cohen]

He was gonna die.

[Tamara Tattles]

I just wanted him to show the man how much I loved him. And that was what that was about. Okay. However, really, because I thought that it was because you wanted to get married on TV and have Bravo pay for your wedding. I asked kind of how it seemed.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

The boss at the show is like, yeah, no, that's not. It's not true, Gretchen.

[Andy Cohen]

Like, he's like, I know the inside scoop. Okay, you can't. You can't do this.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And she's like, no. And Heather just starts cracking up because auntie's so shady. And he goes, he's like, okay, so.

[Tamara Tattles]

When do you think you'll be ready to get me be married?

[Heather McDonald]

When do you think you'll be ready to get married?

[Tamara Tattles]

She's like, well, I mean, I'm ready whenever. I just don't think it's something that we wake up every day talking about. We talk about Jesus and Christianity and as we all know, getting married is not a really big deal.

[Heather McDonald]

Part of that, they're gonna get ticket. They're gonna get married whenever. She's not gonna be on the hook for that child support that they refuse to pay for the dead kid with cancer. That's when. So she's like, you have a child together. That's the biggest commitment of all. And look how well he dealt with the last one. And Gretchen's like, I know.

[Tamara Tattles]

Yeah, exactly. Tamara's like, but in God's eyes, don't you think he should be married? God loves married people. Everybody knows it.

[Andy Cohen]

She actually is married in God's eyes. Yeah, they had a ceremony. It was great. They had a full on ceremony. I got disinvited last second. Also. It's kind of weird how that keeps on happening. But it's a beautiful ceremony, I hear.

[Tamara Tattles]

Yeah. A few years ago we actually got married, but with an ordained pastor.

[Heather McDonald]

And he's like, wow, you did Your marriage?

[Tamara Tattles]

Yeah, but we didn't go to a courthouse and get paperwork. But we did have a ceremony and Skyler was there, and it was so special.

[Andy Cohen]

Okay, well, Riley from not Candy Burris's daughter, but secretly, yes, I am. It's me. It's me. Says Gretchen. You've mentioned several times during Heather's sleepover how fireball gets you wild. Were you looking for liquid cards to bring up the rumor?

[Tamara Tattles]

No, I had no intent of bringing up the fact that Tamara had sex with Nelson and tried to sing a song with him and then had sex again and then saying while she was having sex. I never meant to bring that up.

[Heather McDonald]

Well.

[Tamara Tattles]

Well, this person who was involved in.

[Heather McDonald]

The affair, whose name rhymes with Smelson.

[Tamara Tattles]

But we won't say out loud, vehemently denies the allegation and insists that it was a complete fabrication. I don't know. Vehemently.

[Heather McDonald]

Strongly.

[Tamara Tattles]

Oh, strongly what?

[Heather McDonald]

Denies. Strongly denied the allegations that he was ever inside Tamra. Okay, look, this was not premeditated, okay? It's not premeditated. It was just girls being girls. You know, You. You take a bunch of people used to eating canned beans around a trash can of fire under freeway and you give them something called charcuterie and just watch them go, Andy. They were drunk with the power.

[Andy Cohen]

So Tamara goes.

[Tamara Tattles]

Bullshit was breeding about Tamara.

[Andy Cohen]

We know it. When I'm an eye. When I'm an eye.

[Tamara Tattles]

Be quiet. You just shut up.

[Andy Cohen]

Cameraman.

[Tamara Tattles]

Shut up. Help me out. Cameraman.

[Andy Cohen]

Craft service this. Come on, lighting guy. Lighting guy.

[Tamara Tattles]

Face. Okay, stupid. Mr. Grip, you got to help me on this one. All I can hear is waddle, waddle, waddle. It's crazy. Shut up.

[Andy Cohen]

Someone's. Someone's got to help. Okay, well, I'm going to talk.

[Tamara Tattles]

No, I'm going to talk stupid.

[Andy Cohen]

Cuz this. This.

[Tamara Tattles]

This is part of the process. Girl. Oh, no, let me finish this.

[Andy Cohen]

Girl. Well, don't. You know what? I was very proud of the fact that I was young and hip and said, girl. And then you just threw it right.

[Tamara Tattles]

Back in my face.

[Andy Cohen]

I did not appreciate that.

[Tamara Tattles]

I don't know what she's saying.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know why she's.

[Tamara Tattles]

Gretchen's like, it's so weird.

[Heather McDonald]

So Tamara's like, gretchen tried to bring.

[Tamara Tattles]

The song out at Vicky's house. That's when she tried to bring it out the night that she called and said, oh, it's Eddie Gay.

[Heather McDonald]

So she's saying that this has been trying. She's been trying to make this happen since 2017. And then we see a clip of Gretchen being with. With that gay and the terrible wig who used to be Emily's friend. And remember when Tamara, in the beginning, when Emily came on in the beginning and Tamara was being mean to Emily, and Emily took Tamara on that walk and she's like, why are you so mean to me? And Tamara's like, because you're friends with.

[Tamara Tattles]

People who are terrible to me. Like that gay in the terrible wig.

[Heather McDonald]

And we see a shot of that gay. He's like, and so they were fighting over this gay. This has been a very messy gay on Orange County.

[Tamara Tattles]

County.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, it's some of the messiest gays we've seen have come from Orange County. So Gretchen's like, what?

[Tamara Tattles]

What was the conversation at that party? Oh, God.

[Andy Cohen]

Okay. So years ago. Okay, okay.

[Tamara Tattles]

I want to move on. I want to move on.

[Andy Cohen]

Okay, so Emily, this question is from you. Jonah, from a whale somewhere said, why would you bring up the rumor to Tamara when Gretchen asked you not to? Oh, I've got a very clear answer that's going to make a lot of sense with a lot of logic. I was really irritated by the fact that they had just been at the beach and they had had a conversation, they were both going to come back, and they came back to the table holding hands and they had agreed to a truce. Yeah. And it's just like, you know, I was really hopeful and I was really, really hopeful and that they were going to move forward. Like, so you destroyed it over, like, let's brush that under the rug. Okay. Like, let, like, why did you facilitate it falling apart? Because you, you felt they were being fake from this person who, you know, looks at headlines and laughs behind people's backs with Gina about it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. So she's like, oh, I was really hopeful they were moving forward. That's why I made sure they didn't move forward.

[Tamara Tattles]

Yeah. And I didn't say one word about Gretchen. Not one word in Spiky, though. Not even one. She's like, okay, okay, can I talk to that? Okay, I agree with him on that, and I want to apologize for you doing that, but I'm just telling you that that was. What was that? In the press? And you know, that's a problem, Tamara, because you can say stuff that's in the press, but if I say stuff in the press, everybody else is like an. Yeah. Oh, okay. You always turn it around on someone else. Are you a dj? Cuz you're really turning things around on the turntable because that's what DJs do? Yeah. Yeah. Well, Andy or Tamara.

[Heather McDonald]

Sorry.

[Tamara Tattles]

Peewee from Spigadventure wants to know why.

[Heather McDonald]

Are you overacting about this rumor when it was from so long, long ago? Don't you also bring up old dirt on people?

[Tamara Tattles]

She goes, oh, yeah, name one. Name one free Peewee from Big Adventure. Whatever stupid gay name is. Say it. Name it.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, excuse me, but you did accuse Jen of having an affair.

[Tamara Tattles]

Whatever. I can't even say anything, girl. I can't even say anything. It's before therapy. Shut up, Shannon. Stupid.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, Tamara, you did bring up tonight that Shannon recorded Vicki.

[Tamara Tattles]

Yeah. Cause she's going after Katie when she's doing the same thing, and that's a hypocrite. I'm allowed to bring that up.

[Andy Cohen]

But you know what? My intent was to make sure everyone's safe.

[Tamara Tattles]

Everyone is safe and sound on my camera. Well, everybody was safe. So then why did you call me and tell me who the hell would be with Vicky? She treats her boyfriend like. Why'd you say that?

[Andy Cohen]

I did not say that, Tamara.

[Tamara Tattles]

I did not say that.

[Andy Cohen]

I did not say that.

[Tamara Tattles]

Yeah, you did, but you just gotta.

[Andy Cohen]

Prove the point of this question because.

[Tamara Tattles]

It was two years ago.

[Andy Cohen]

No, I understand, but the point of the question was you bring stuff up.

[Tamara Tattles]

All the time from the past, and.

[Andy Cohen]

You just brought up two things right now.

[Tamara Tattles]

Yeah, well, it's because. It's because I have the right to. Shut up. Everybody shut up.

[Heather McDonald]

Now.

[Tamara Tattles]

There's like, case in point. Case in point.

[Andy Cohen]

Anyone? Case in point. I said case in point. Alfredo, get work, bro. The moment's already lost. Lost.

[Tamara Tattles]

And, well, Tamara, you told Shannon, shut up, Damn it not. But you said, shut up, Jimmy. Shut up, Shannon.

[Heather McDonald]

No camera.

[Tamara Tattles]

Use it.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, I just. I. I can't even. I can't even get it. I can't even say, hey, okay, well, I'm trying to prove a point. You did a very good job proving it, Andy.

[Tamara Tattles]

Well, my point. Point is we're not the only ones that bring up stuff from the past.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, I have something to say on this.

[Tamara Tattles]

Oh, shut up, Shannon. Just shut your goddamn mouth, you monster from the Blue Lagoon. Come back in there and kill Brooke Shields or whatever. Get out of here, monster.

[Andy Cohen]

I can't even hammer Grudge over there. You know what? Don't let anybody else affect how you continue to do that.

[Tamara Tattles]

I know, but, like, I'm sick of it. I'm sick of it. Batch.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, but, like. Like when we were at your house for cake decorating, remember? God, I love bringing up that night you throw out again that I've had all these affairs. And then we went outside and you said, oh, God, I was mad and I just probably made it up.

[Tamara Tattles]

Yes, yes, you said. You poked me and I was mad. Remember you said that? That was a good one, girlfriend. I did make it up. It was something I heard, though. But you know, I should have never. I regretted saying it, okay, because the conversation we were having at the table was getting so heated. What else am I gonna say? Cheating on your husband and sled. I mean it.

[Andy Cohen]

It's pure hypocrisy. That's what this is. Everyone. Who do you think you are? Like, honestly, I don't have to listen to anything she says.

[Tamara Tattles]

Anything. Not a goddamn thing. Goddamn fried chicken mouth. I can't even look at you without thinking of fried chicken yapping to me. Be quiet, Shannon.

[Heather McDonald]

Why is Tamara allowed to just do this every time Shannon speaks? Why is nobody like, hey, other people get to talk too. And you don't get to just yell, shut the fuck up every time someone speaks. What kind of therapy are you going to? This is crazy. Is there anybody working here?

[Andy Cohen]

She said physical therapy. That's the problem.

[Tamara Tattles]

What do you mean? I thought that loosened up my hips. I would get better emotional responses.

[Andy Cohen]

So, Emily, that's my storyline. But didn't you have pictures at the cake party of her having some affair? Of Gretchen having an affair? And Shannon's like, but see, Tamara, you.

[Tamara Tattles]

Show up with evidence every single time.

[Andy Cohen]

That was me in the flashback, by the way. I did a great job in that flashback.

[Tamara Tattles]

Yeah, because at that point, I'd had it with her. I'd had it. I'd had it. I had it. See, it's okay for me to bring things up from the past.

[Andy Cohen]

You just can't bring stuff up from the past.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, basically, she's a hypocrite just like the rest of you. So were these old pictures of Gretchen making out with that Jeff guy? Tamra. You gotta love Tamra whipping out in 15 year old pictures at a cake party. Tamara says she'd had it, so she's allowed to do it. And then Gretchen's like, yeah, but just because you were mad about something from 15 years ago, you shouldn't have even brought it up 15 years ago. That wasn't cool either. And so Tamara's just shooing her off.

[Tamara Tattles]

Get out of here, stupid. Just wave everybody off camera. Oh, no, I'm just waiting. You are stupid. But I'm talking about 15 years ago, Tamara, when you made up all the lies about me back Then.

[Andy Cohen]

So now we're going back to the big. Where it all started. This is where. Well, actually it started with Reb, but now the big reunion. And Gretchen's like, what was the reason then?

[Tamara Tattles]

Why'd you bring things up then?

[Andy Cohen]

And Tama's like, well, I didn't make.

[Tamara Tattles]

Up any lies about you 15 years ago. Oh, sure you didn't.

[Andy Cohen]

It was the affair. It was the affair.

[Tamara Tattles]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on. I'm gonna pierce my lips and lick myself a little bit. Me and Vicky both walked in. It's your Gina Keos. And we saw you sitting there on Bloop's lap making out with him. We saw it. We saw it. Oh, my God, you're such a liar, Camille. You're a liar. You're a liar. You're a liar. You are. You're a piece of shit. You're a piece of. You're a piece of shitbag. Okay, Tamara. Liar dance. For so long you've become an FTP. For so long.

[Heather McDonald]

He's like, this was a whole segment about how you've been coming after her for 15 years. But of course, she immediately turns and.

[Tamara Tattles]

Was like, you been coming FTV and you been going after my husband and he been going after me. He been going after my kids. My mom can't even fuck a guy from Costco without you coming for somebody. I don't talk about you. Never. Oh, okay. Yeah, you don't talk about me ever. Sure, sure, sure.

[Heather McDonald]

And it just ends on Katie going, this is insane. That brings us to the end of reunion Pod one, Real Housewives. We'll be back Monday with some Potomac. We'll also have a trailer trash of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, which we were blessed to get a trailer with this week. That'll be on Patreon. And we'll see you at 4pm for Amazon Live Pacific time, guys. Pacific time on Monday. Have an amazing weekend, guys. We love you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for being here.

[Andy Cohen]

Thank you so much.

[Heather McDonald]

Just thank you.

[Andy Cohen]

Great weekend.

[Heather McDonald]

Thank you so much. Oh, my God. Dawson fainted. Dawson fainted.

[Andy Cohen]

Oh, no.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, geez.

[Andy Cohen]

Oh, God.

[Heather McDonald]

Dawson.

[Andy Cohen]

Dawson.

[Tamara Tattles]

Welcome to the club.

[Heather McDonald]

Everybody say my name walk into the.

[Tamara Tattles]

Mall and I same everywhere I go people holler every day Hey. I raised my hands up and holler back hey batch, hey batch, hey batch.

[Heather McDonald]

If you don't know me you're welcome.

[Tamara Tattles]

To blow me Batch hey batch hey batch Every day's a parade don't even try to shade Magazines and mods go.

[Heather McDonald]

To Facebook and insta I ruled in.

[Tamara Tattles]

Ball cause when I play I win duck. People magazine called and said I'm debate asked me lots of questions I answered everyone Headbutts, headbutts Head batch. You pretend not to love me but don't think you're above me batch. Head bats. Head bats. You can try to hate me but life celebrates me Boy bat, girl bat another boat bats bats all around the world world even track such a stretch Mommy, daddy even baby read the holy book Even God said the Ratch B.

[Andy Cohen]

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[Andy Cohen]

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[Heather McDonald]

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[Andy Cohen]

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[Heather McDonald]

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[Andy Cohen]

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[Heather McDonald]

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[Andy Cohen]

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[Heather McDonald]

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[Andy Cohen]

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[Heather McDonald]

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[Andy Cohen]

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[Heather McDonald]

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[Andy Cohen]

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[Heather McDonald]

No shrinking violet Cootar. We love you guys. If you like, watch what crappens. You can listen ad free right now by joining Wondery plus in the Wondery app or on app podcasts. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon music. Before you go, tell us about yourself by filling out a short [e-mail] survey.