#3077 RHOC S19E19 Part Two: Golf Clapback

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: Watch What Crappens

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Episode: #3077 — RHOC S19E19 Part Two: Golf Clapback
Date: November 14, 2025

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Overview

Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam return for part two of their RHOC Season 19, Episode 19 reunion recap. This episode is a raucous, irreverent dissection of the second half of the Orange County Housewives reunion, centering on golf carts, lunch breaks, ongoing feuds, the infamous “Naked Wasted” drama, AI-generated apologies, accusations of racism, hospital lies, and the ever-present specter of Slade Smiley's inflated résumé.

With their trademark wit and affectionately ruthless tone, Ben and Ronnie unravel complicated cast conflicts and production contrivances, all while skewering Housewives egos and Bravo machinations.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reunion Lunch Break & Golf Carts ([02:20]–[03:40])

• The hosts note the surreal, backlot vibe as housewives and Andy ride golf carts to their trailers.

  • "This is the part of the reunion where Andy’s like, ‘Okay, now I go back to being a much larger celebrity than any of you people. Won’t talk to you now for an hour.’" — Ronnie ([02:55])

• Shannon brings her own chicken lunch, and Jen complains about being called a con artist by Katie.

  • Matt snarks about Jen’s fiancé having “a deal with the feds” calling Katie a con artist: "That's rich. Which is actually a good defense, and I wish Katie had used it." — Ben ([03:32])

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2. The Escalating Jen vs. Katie Feud ([03:46]–[09:39])

• Jen shares gossip about Katie digging for info on Ryan’s alleged illegal activities, with a focus on a supposed grilling of Nicole (a friend of the cast’s trouble-prone men).

• Ben and Ronnie lampoon these antics:

  • "Welcome to the Real Housewives." — Ben ([05:19])
  • Ronnie reminds listeners about the prior season’s private investigator drama spearheaded by Shannon and Tamra.

• Katie’s position: she stood by Jen through scandal and feels hung out to dry, whereas Jen says she stopped defending Katie when it didn’t “make sense.”

  • Hosts dissect the circular logic and self-serving “stand by your friend, even if she’s lying” Housewife mentality.
  • "Is this supposed to be a good argument? This is not good." — Ben ([09:22])

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3. Insensitive Video Controversy ([09:39]–[12:35])

• A listener question highlights a video by Jen and Gretchen deemed insensitive toward Asians.

• Katie says the video was “gross,” and Jen gets indignant that her intentions were questioned:

  • "Your indignancy is kind of hilarious when you're defending a racist video. Like, this is not the time to be indignant." — Ben ([10:59])

• Ben and Ronnie agree Jen’s defensiveness is a missed opportunity for growth:

  • "Just say, I’m sorry. Mean, Jesus." — Ben ([11:09])
  • Ronnie shares personal anecdotes about learning from problematic behavior: "Even me. And I’m a stubborn old bitch. But you can learn things." [12:10]

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4. The AI Apology Debacle ([12:35]–[16:40])

• Katie claims Gretchen’s apology was so generic it might be AI-generated. She and Matt run it through an AI detector for laughs.

  • Quoting the apology: "Hi, Katie. I wanted to personally reach out regarding the video Jen and I posted. I truly regret if I came across in any way that felt insensitive or hurtful...” ([13:21])

• Ronnie muses about the modern use of ChatGPT for apologies, seeing it as sometimes preferable to botched self-written statements.

  • "Actually, I don't believe... it's the worst thing in the world...I actually would rather have ChatGPT form some sort of sterile apology." — Ronnie ([14:40])

• They mock Heather’s clumsy attempt at comparing AI detectors to diamond testers, spawning a farcical riff.

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5. Return to 'Naked Wasted'/Rumor-Gate ([16:47]–[32:29])

• Andy summarizes the complicated history behind the revival of the “Naked Wasted”/roofie rumor, but Ben and Ronnie insist Tamra is responsible for making it reunion fodder.

  • "We never can forget ... the whole reason this is even a storyline is because Tamra brought this up." — Ben ([07:22])

• Hosts (and cast) go in circles on whether Gretchen or Katie lied about who said what, when:

  • Gretchen waffles between saying she went to the hospital and then claims she "misspoke."
  • "Explain how you say I went to the hospital directly to Tamra’s face. And then you say to everyone else, I never went to the hospital." — Ronnie ([26:00])
  • "That’s not misspeaking. That’s lying." — Ben ([27:31])

• Discussion of double standards—Gretchen gets a pass, while Katie is “iced out.”

  • "The punishment just doesn’t fit the crime." — Ronnie ([32:29])

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6. Slade Smiley, The Absentee Househusband ([33:08]–[38:23])

• Slade and Ryan both declined the invite to appear at the reunion; only Matt (Katie's husband) shows up.

  • "Absolutely ridiculous that both Slade and Ryan declined to be here. Of course they did, you wussies." — Ben ([33:08])

• The hosts gleefully roast Slade’s outsized, AI-flavored online bio from the Liberace Foundation—reading and mocking its extravagant claims:

  • "Entrepreneur and Real Housewives of Orange County icon Slade Smiley builds brand momentum as a newly-appointed Liberace foundation board member..." ([34:30])
  • Ronnie, riffing: "Influential actor. I mean, is this the year he finally gets his Cecil B. DeMille Award?" ([35:16])

• Ben denounces his continued failure to pay child support to his late son Grayson:

  • “You’ve got a lot of nerve naming your entertainment company Grayson, you pig. Pay your child support.” ([38:23])

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7. The Men Enter the Fray: Matt Confronts Gretchen ([39:08]–[47:53])

• Matt tries to clarify his phone call with Slade regarding the roofie/“hold the line” scandal, but faces cross-talk and interruptions.
• Gretchen attempts to nitpick the specifics and defend Slade in his absence, while other housewives pile on.
• The debate devolves into minutiae about phone records and accusations of lying.
  • "He called you once, it was 11 minutes." — Ben ([44:53])
  • Ronnie, on Matt: "He works in golf. People speak in hushed tones. He's not used to this. It's very scary." ([45:17])

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8. Cast Ironies, Victimhood, and Who’s to Blame? ([47:53]–[50:51])

• Gretchen blames Katie for talking to “bloggers,” claiming that's why Katie was kicked off.
• Katie and Jen fight about loyalty versus enabling bad behavior. Katie claims if Jen had given her minimal support, she could have kept filming. Jen argues she was a friend, not an ally in untruths.
• The hosts recap how shifting alliances, loyalty tests, and refusal to admit faults unravel friendships, with the women all mishandling their drama in different ways.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Is this supposed to be a good argument? This is not good." — Ben ([09:22])
• "Your indignancy is kind of hilarious when you’re defending a racist video.” — Ben ([10:59])
• "Even me. And I’m a stubborn old bitch. But you can learn things." — Ronnie ([12:10])
• "Explain how you say I went to the hospital directly to Tamra’s face. And then you say… I never went to the hospital." — Ronnie ([26:00])
• "He should have… And I think it’s just, like, shitty that he makes Gretchen have to, you know, be a mouthpiece for all of his lies, and she just has to take it." — Ronnie ([39:08])
• “You’ve got a lot of nerve naming your entertainment company Grayson, you pig. Pay your child support.” — Ben ([38:23])

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Important Timestamps

• [02:20] — Recap picks up with reunion lunch break / golf cart scenes
• [03:46] — Jen, Katie, & Matt drama dissected
• [09:39] — Listener question on insensitive video, AI apology discussion begins
• [16:47] — Naked Wasted/roofie story revived, hosts critique Tamra's role
• [33:08] — Slade & Ryan's absence mocked; Slade’s outrageous bio examined
• [39:08] — Matt confronts Gretchen on reunion stage
• [47:53] — Climactic arguments on loyalty, victimhood, and alliances

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Tone & Style

Ben and Ronnie’s tone is highly sarcastic, playful, and biting, balancing genuine fandom with unfiltered critique. They lampshade the artificiality of Bravo’s drama, the double standards, and the increasingly absurd lengths to which the Housewives and their partners go to control narratives. There’s a clear affection underlying the mockery—a hallmark of Watch What Crappens.

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Conclusion

This episode stands out for its lively, unfiltered breakdown of one of the season’s most tangled reunions. The hosts expertly spotlight Bravo’s manipulation, cast hypocrisy, and the show’s brewing digital dilemmas (AI apologies!), delivering both keen insights and uproarious shade. Whether you’re a devoted Bravo fan or need to catch up on Housewives lore, this recap captures the spirit, absurdity, and combustible drama of RHOC at its reunion-episode best.

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Hi everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that, let's get right back into the episode. So now it is time for lunch break on the reunion. And so they all go out and Katie. Katie's like I need water in the worst way. And Matt arrives in an Escalade and some of the women get onto golf carts this was funny because they're outside the sound stages, and so, like, Heather and Gina or someone are, like, on a. On a golf cart, ready to be zipped off to their trailers. And Andy's nearby. Heather's like, andy, would you like a ride on our golf carts? Do you want. Are you. Oh, you're gonna go get your postmates. Oh, okay. I'm like, oh, this is the part of the reunion where Andy's like, okay, now I go back to being a much larger celebrity than any of you people. Won't talk to you now for an hour.

[A]

Please do not talk to me outside of the studio. Thank you. So Shannon goes to visit Jen in her trailer, and she's brought her own chicken because she's Shannon and she's making an effort, guys. And then back with Katie and Matt, she's talking about how they talked about Jen calling her a con artist. And she's like, I don't know if I said. I don't know if I did or didn't. And Matt's like, oh, she's getting married to a guy with a deal with the feds, and she's calling you a con artist. That's rich. Which is actually a good defense, and I wish Katie had used it.

[B]

Yeah. So Jen is talking to Shannon, and she goes, hey, remember last night when I texted you and said nicole is with Katie? Ryan just called me, and Matt and Nicole are driving to take this Matt person. By the way, Matt and Nicole. Matt is Ryan's coworker or whatever, the bookie guy who went to jail. And Nicole is his girlfriend or wife or whoever. So when she's talking to Matt in this situation, she's not talking about Matt, and Jenna's talking about this guy Matt who went to jail, and she's like, so Matt. So they're Matt and Nicole. I mean, she's taking a. You know, with Matt to prison or whatever you call it. Like, I believe the word is prison. I don't think that. I don't think prison is code for some other, like, dark, dark fortress that. He went, it's prison.

[A]

It's prison.

[B]

Yeah, it's prison. Yeah, you got it right. She's like. And Ryan said, babe, I'm so glad you called me. And I said, thank you so much. He said, because you're getting old looking, and I think I only have another year left. Oh. And I said, that's too bad. He goes, well. And also, I just talked to Nicole, and Nicole said, that chick is weird. Katie's weird. And Nicole did not Know why that Kitty was even coming to this thing that she went to last night? And she went. Tripped Nicole, Kitty did and said, can I ask you something? And you promise not to lie? So basically, this girl Nicole told Katie. This girl Nicole told Jen that last night at whatever going away party there was for Matt or whatever, that Katie was there and walked up to Nicole and was like, so was Ryan involved too? You can tell me. I'm safe.

[A]

Was Ryan involved in Matt's illegal bookie business and Katie was. Katie didn't get the answer she wanted, so she got upset. And Ryan's like, yeah, Nicole said it was so obvious that she was digging. And then she just kept on. Well, hi, welcome to the Real Housewives. Like, yes, probably. And Jen's like, are we gonna forget.

[B]

About the private investigator that Shannon and Tamara conspired to get about Ryan last season? Is that.

[A]

Are we.

[B]

Is that. I'm wondering if that falls under the purview of, like, messy digging that we're not supposed to, you know, pay attention to.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. Good point. So Jen is infuriated and she's gonna say something. Damn it. Meanwhile, Katie's in her room like, I just want a martini. He's like, let's do it. That's the. That's the kind of husband you need, you know, who's like, yeah, middle of the day. Let's have a martini right now before you have to go fight these witches on tv.

[B]

So back on the set, Shannon is whispering to Emily, you know, I swear to God, I just had my lunch or just some. Some. Some chicken. And now my stomach just started to go. It's just growing all. I mean, just. I mean, you can't even have shredded chicken anymore with a side of fries that you ordered in some other rings. It's just like. It's terrible.

[A]

I get bloated from everything. How does chicken bloat me? I get bloated from everything. It's not fair. Hold on, let me take a breath. I think I just gained 10 pounds. What is in the air? What is in the air?

[B]

So Gina's in pain. Her dress, it hurts because of the bone.

[A]

It hurts me too. My eyes. Jesus. Who picked that out?

[B]

I know. What old west saloon is she going to after this? So Andy is like, she looks like a male slot. The new kind, the anti terrorism kind. You can only put in the teeny tiny. So Andy is like, when. When Gretchen returned, so did a decade old drama known as naked wasted. And we are not going to mention the fact that it was Tamara who actually brought it up. But anyway, as new rumors and allegations threatened to rekindle a war between Tamara, Gretchen, Katie and Jen's friendship got caught in the crossfire. Let's take a look.

[A]

I'm sorry, that's just a very good point that Tamara is. We never can forget. And we can never let you forget that the whole reason this is even a storyline is because Tamra brought this up. Whether it was going to be brough up later by somebody else, I doubt it, because it just makes Gretchen look absolutely crazy at this point. But the fact that Tamara brought it up, and now the entire conversation, instead of being about how disgusting she was during Gret, naked, wasted, now it is about Gretchen accusing her of. It's. It's just very well done on Tamara's part. I have to.

[B]

She really snuck right out. And then she became friends with Katie.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Then she allied up with Katie afterwards. I mean, she's real slick. She's. She's one of the top villains for a reason.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So. And Andy's like, jen, you seem like you and Katie had a real connection. Have you two spoken? And. No, not really. Ah, that's too bad. You guys are sort of like a Thelma, I guess. You guys. You know, a lot of times people come on the show and they say they're like a Thelma Louise. And you guys really are. You guys truly drove into the Grand Canyon of friendship. Congratulations. You did it.

[A]

And she's like, yeah, there's. I just don't understand. You know, I mean, there are things with Katie that they just don't make sense inside of a real friendship. I just don't understand. And Katie, the friendship, she feels very hung out to dry and she's like, you know, I hung out. I. I defended you all last year about the Ryan stuff, and you can do that for me. And she's like, well, I mean, I just. I defended you until. It just didn't make sense anymore. Katie, it didn't make sense.

[B]

Well, I need you to make sense of the Ryan situation because I didn't care. I didn't care of it. Well. And I needed you to make sense. Well, I keep saying what goes on in your bank account. LOL. Because you only had 35 cents in it. And your bedroom. That's your business. Okay. And I'm going to defend my friend because that's the sort of person that I am.

[A]

Well, how Katie said this was so funny because she goes, you know, everyone was talking about you. Everyone was talking about your business and Ryan's Business. And I said, I don't care what's in her bank account and I don't care what Ryan said. If she said this didn't happen, then I'm going to believe her. And I wanted the same from you. Which is not a great argument, really, because Katie's like, listen, I knew that you were a crook and Ryan was a crook, and I still stood up for you, even knowing you were a crook. And I wanted you to stand up for me even though you knew I was lying. Which is. That's what it sounds like she's saying. And I was like, is this supposed to be a good argument? This is not good.

[B]

The twist, I guess it's like you. You defend your friend no matter what. You just blindly take their side. So Laurel from Canyon says, gretchen and Jen, you posted a video that was deemed culturally insensitive towards Asians. Wow. It's amazing how much ground you really can cover, Gretchen, in one season. So you immediately took it down. Was it aimed at Katie? And Jen's like, no, of course not. And Tamara's.

[A]

But she's Asian.

[B]

Katie's like, thank you for the reminder, Tamara. I am. Gina's like, oh, my God. Thank God I'm off the hook.

[A]

Yeah. So this video. And they kind of let them slide on this video, but of course, it's this show, so of course they do. But, yeah, this video is pretty gross. And Katie's like, they. You know, I'm not saying it was about me. I'm just saying it was extremely insensitive. And then Jen ended up getting mad at me about it. You know, I said something about it, and Jen got mad at me, and she said, like, how dare you? And Jen's like, yes, yes, I did. I did say, how dare you? Because you have known me for how long? How long? And then you would say that to me when you know that I would mean nothing by that. How dare you?

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

It's like, okay, your indignancy is kind of hilarious when you're defending a racist video. Like, this is not the time to be indignant. You know what I mean? Yeah, it was problematic. Just say, I'm sorry. Mean, Jesus.

[B]

Yeah, this is not. And the best part is that I love when Katie's like, yeah, you were all mad. You were like, how dare you say that? She goes, how dare you say that? I'm like, well, Jen, you're not doing a good job of defending yourself by using the exact language that Katie said that you used. So Jen is like, I never would have done anything to offend you. And Kitty's like, look, you didn't offend me. But after you took it down, you blamed me for it. It's like, okay, and what were you thinking posted that? Well, I mean, I didn't think, obviously. I don't know. I. Are you supposed to do that in life? That seems like it's a recurring issue that people bring up to me. I don't know. It just seems like a lot of work.

[A]

She's such a dummy. She does not know how to do this. I mean, when this came out, when the episode came out. Wait, did the episode come out where they mentioned this? I don't think it even came. This wasn't in an episode. Right. This is just. They're talking about it on the reunion. Well, when this came out in real life, Jen got super defensive with commenters who were like, what the hell's with this racist video? How could you? And she was just like, you know what, you guys, why don't you just go to Katie's page instead of being so negative to me? Go be positive to Katie. Because I can't with this racism crap. I just can't with it. It's like, oh, just. This is not. I don't know that I'd be calling it racism crap. I mean. Yeah, yeah, say you're sorry. I mean, my God. I mean, look, take this back 10 years. You could hear me doing that as well. And then there comes a time when people are like, that is problematic as fuck. And I say I'm sorry, and then you stop. I mean, what the hell? Even me. And I'm a stubborn bitch. I'm a stubborn old bitch. But you can learn things. I mean, for Christ's sake, learn. Learn and move on, lady.

[B]

So I agreed. So then Katie, she says that she did get an apology from Gretchen, but it was through chat GPT and that they put it. They basically, Katie says she and Matt put the apology through an AI indicator and it suggested heavily that ChatGPT and the apology is the following. Hi, Katie. I wanted to personally reach out regarding the video Jen and I posted. I truly regret if I came across in any way that felt insensitive or hurtful. The following items would be great additions to the rest of this apology. Be emphatic, be thoughtful, be concise, and most of all, be heartfelt.

[A]

Wait a minute. Even that gets a. I mean, Jesus, AI just taking over comedy as well. I can't.

[B]

I. I have a genuine question. This is not me taking up for Gretchen by any means, but if so If. If you were. If someone. If you were owed an apology over something serious and someone drafted it with the help of Chat GPT, is that offensive or is that consider.

[A]

Well, it happens all the time, so I don't consider it smart, but it's just what people do. I mean, all the time. My best friend uses Chat GPT like their own therapist. She's like, okay, listen, here's what's going on. This girl did this to me, and then this guy took her side. How should I feel about this? And Chat GPT will be like, well, you know, I think you're right to be upset, but, you know, here's how you can. Here's how you can talk to them both in a clear way that doesn't make you sound crazy. I'm like, damn. I mean, that's her whole. And so now when she talks to me, if she's got an issue with me, she is very much like this. It's like, you know, well, the therefore of the circumstance adhering to the problem around us. And I'm like, you, that is Chat GPT. And she's like, yeah, but I told it what I wanted to say. It just worded it in a way that was better than I would word it. So, I mean, I don't know. I don't know if it's good or bad.

[B]

I actually don't believe it or not. I actually don't think it's the worst thing in the world because I think I would rather have Chad GPT form some sort of sterile apology that is like, here, look, I actually made the effort. I. I know I'm too dumb to do the apology properly on my own. So here I actually took the effort to have a robot craft it for me because I actually would not like to say anything stupid right now. There's actually some weird thoughtfulness in that, just like, because otherwise I will probably say something worse. So here's what the robot said.

[A]

Someone making an effort, you know, because they had to put the thought into actually saying, here's what I really want to say. Like, they're putting the thought into having something else put the thought into something. So that's putting people use thing.

[B]

Yeah, people use like PR people all the time for that. Now, I'm not saying that, like, oh, therefore, like, Gretchen's off the hook, but I actually did not find this.

[A]

Definitely not off the hug. But the problem with people like Gretchen is when they use it for everything, everything she says sounds like it was created that way. And it's just a F. Phony person. You can't believe a damn thing she says. And we'll. We'll learn it, I'm sure, a few more times in this reunion. Because nothing she's. Especially this apology she's got coming up in a minute is ridiculous. So Heather's like, oh, oh, wait. So I see. So they have an AI Tester, which is where you can put things sort of like they do to figure out if lab diamonds are fake, right? And it's just like crickets.

[B]

Lab diamonds. Am I right? You know? Hey, you know that thing. Here, let me just pace around the stage for a little bit. You know that thing when you get a diamond and you're saying, is this really worth $22 million or is this a lab diamond? So you look at it over and over again, and then you ask the chef, while he's making your morning omelette, is this look like a real diamond to you? And then when he says, I can't really look at it. I've got to look at my omelet. So you take the pan, you slam it on his hand. Is it like that? You know? Am I right, people? Am I right?

[A]

Okay, well, I'm sorry I hurt you. Really?

[B]

That's what you're gonna laugh at? Really?

[A]

I just did 20 minutes about lab diamonds, and that's what gets a laugh.

[B]

Wait a second. Are you saying that I could just type into AI Something like, what are some good one liners that could be used to roast Wendy Malik? Whoa, look at this treasure trove. Wait, Wendy's been playing sassy best friends for so long, she's forgotten what it's like to be the main character in life. Yes, Alfredo, yes. Hot in Cleveland ran for six seasons, which is exactly how long Wendy's been saying she's been thinking about retiring. Yes, Alfredo. Oh, my God. Wendy Malik has had such a long career. Her first headshot was a cave painting. Oh, my God, Alfredo. It's happening. They know you're using AI Heather. Damn it. They're on to me.

[A]

They're on to me. Well, I'm sorry I hurt you. That's the bottom line. That was not the intent. And so Katie's like, fine, thank you. Well, do you accept the above? I said yes.

[B]

Fine.

[A]

Thank you. All right, well, Olive from Kittredge says, jen, why was it so?

[B]

Again. So I'll have brought in a second question. I can't believe I'll have got two questions on the reunion.

[A]

That's amazing. So I use that one. Okay. I'm so sorry. Let me say see here. I think it might be from Macbeth.

[B]

Says, oh, yes.

[A]

Oh, Jen, why was it so easy for you to drop Katie over failing the lie detector test while at the same time giving Gretchen a pass for misspeaking on the very subject Katie was iced out for? Okay.

[B]

I mean, that is.

[A]

That. That was. That was put together by Chat GPT. I had to think about that one for a second. You dropped Katie over failing a lie detector test, but also you gave Gretchen a pass for misspeaking on the very subject Katie was ice out. I wish it would just be more specific, but whatever. So Jen's like, well, why are you.

[B]

Such a fucking hypocrite? That's the question.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. Well, I never would have dropped Katie, but that was. I mean, that was the most real friendship I ever had. I mean, that was great. That was amazing. You know, I didn't even stand at her side and try to figure out what gym she was going to. You know, I was really growing in that friendship.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, like, it was like we were so close. I mean, she knew, but she always knew things about everyone's families. She always did. And Kitty's like, like, what you would say to me, too. You would. I mean, absolutely. I'm not saying. But. I'm not saying fiction. But you don't. You don't. Don't make it seem like I was the only one bringing to our gossip sessions. No, no, but you were so hell bent on this roofy story at the Mastros. And I mean, you're just gonna hold on to this, like, jen. Oh, Jen, you were there. Jen, you were there, Jen. She's like, I was looking to my dear friend to back me up, because I would have done that. I would have done that for me also if I were me. And. Which I was. And you were you. Which you were. And you didn't do that. So there.

[A]

She's like. But she wasn't even on the show at the time that she said that she was roofied. I mean, that she didn't say that she was. But when you said she said she was roofied, which didn't happen, I don't think I was there. I don't remember what did happen. Well, who cares if she was on the show at the time? What?

[B]

No, because it means that. That. That Katie. The. The narrative became that Katie was trying to get Kiki Monique to announce this on the air. She wanted Kiki Monique to say that Tamra roofied Gretchen. That's. That is what they are spinning this as and that's what they're so angry about. And she's saying, yeah, Gretchen wasn't even cast on the show to come back yet, so why would I be plotting this thing, you know, about with Gretchen, everything. She wasn't even part of our cast, so why would I even do this?

[A]

But Gretchen. But Jen's the one who said she wasn't even on the show at the time, and.

[B]

But Jen didn't. Jen. Jen is. I think Jen's lost in her logic at the moment, personally. Yeah.

[A]

I don't understand. Or maybe she's saying, like, she wasn't on the show at the time. So why are we taking something she said back then and using it against her? Like, she. She can't use something she said then and use it against her because she wasn't on the show. So we can only use.

[B]

Why are you trashing her behind her back or whatever. Or trying. Why are you being gossipy? She's even on the show. And she's like. But that's the point. Like, if I was trying to do this to, like, drag people through the mud. Like, I'm not going to take someone who's not on the show who I'm friends with.

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Ad free right now on Wondery Plus. So basically Andy's like, okay, I just want to reset. And here I thought this is where I thought Tamara was gonna get it. He's like, I just want to reset on how all this Naked Wasted drama came back to life on the show. It's a little confusing. Gretchen, Slade, Kaden, Matt, Jen and Ryan went to dinner at Mastros, and that was years before filming ever started. That was before Gretchen was on. And Katie alleges that Gretchen said that night that she was drugged and went to the hospital. And Gretchen and Jen claimed that Gretchen said she felt like she could have gone to the hospital. I'm like, and when are you gonna say the part where it only made it onto the show because Tamara brought it up? What, like that's such a. That's such a big deal? It's a big deal because. Because if you're saying that Katie is trying to start shit, you know, whatever. But like, Tamara is the one who actually was. She's the one who. Who tried to get ahead of the story and then burned everything down.

[A]

Yeah. So Nomad from Land says, jen, you first said you didn't know about Naked Wasted, but then you said you remembered that Gretchen said she felt really sick. So how do you recall such a specific detail if you didn't know about Naked Wasted? And she's like, oh, I. I didn't see the episode. So I don't know about Naked Wasted. But I. That Gretchen felt sick from being Naked Wasted on an episode where someone was trying to drug her and rape her, which she didn't tell me. Wait, did she tell me? What am I talking about? Who am I? Who am I right now, Andy?

[B]

Yeah, and then Gretchen said. Told me she was so sick she probably should have gone to the hospital. All right, well, blood from simple says, how can you claim to have misspoken about going to the hospital when it's clear that you said it on camera in the car? And we're not going to show that clip to. To the audience to remind them because we're just sadist like, that. I'm like, why are you not showing, like, show that, like, exactly the words the Tamara used. I mean, that Gretchen used. And then Gretchen comes up with the biggest of all and the. The kid. They. They persecute Katie. But then Gretchen says this. She's like, well, I can understand exactly how people feel that way. Yeah, because you said, I had to go to the hospital. I went to the hospital. You literally said, I went to the hospital. Hospital.

[A]

Yeah, I went to the. I did have to go to the hospital because I felt so sick is what you said on the show.

[B]

And Greg, I take full responsibility for this communication. I don't need you to take full responsibility. I need you to explain how you say I went to the hospital directly to Tamara's face. And then you say to everyone else, I never went to the hospital.

[A]

How do you never said I went to the hospital? She says, yeah, she's full of. And she's like, well, yeah, it was a miscommunication. And they all. To their credit, they all grown and they're like, yeah, that wasn't really a miscommunication, Gretchen. And she's like, well, I think that, like, sometimes, like when people are reliving a traumatic experience that you say words you don't intend to say. Oh, my God. Seriously? No, when you're sitting at dinner and accuse someone of roofing you, and then you get caught, you lie because you know your ass can get sued for defamation. If your ass is going to say that, just. Just say, I hated Tamra and me and Slade hated Tamra. And this is one of Slade's favorite stories, and he's told it to everybody we've had dinner with for 15 years now. Because we know that that's the truth.

[B]

Yep. That's 100% right. Like, misspeaking because you're flustered is one thing, but you, like, you completely negated a very big thing. If you're sitting, if you're the act, if you're if you're in the process of denying the. That you ever said you're roofied, and then you say, I went to the hospital, and you don't follow up with, I'm sorry. I meant to say I didn't go to the hospital. Like, how do you not say. How do you not. How do you not.

[A]

Just a damn liar? And of course, the second she gets caught, she's like, it's because it was a traumatic experience. Okay, stop. Because what? The experience was really bad. And you would have had everybody on your side had you just brought that up, but instead, you lied and you acted like a damn fool, and Tamara got you. I cannot believe that after Tamara did that all those years ago and the climate that we're living in now, had you brought that up, you would have had Tamara on the mat. And the fact that you fumbled this ball, they should literally come on and carry you off the stage right now, because that's how you fumble this ball. It is fucking embarrassing. I'm embarrassed for you.

[B]

Slade fumbled the ball because she was doing great. And then once again, Slade. Slade crept into the season. And the moment Slade crept in, everything fell apart for Gretchen. Yeah, she lost it. She lost it. It's. It always comes back to Slade.

[A]

Oh, Shannon tries to help her, like, well, we are all guilty of misspeaking about. Remember my time. Remember my times. Like, shut up, Shannon. Okay? We're not talking about you. And so Emily's like, well, when saying, when Shane's. When someone calls Shane Sean, that's misspeaking. Or when I call this sandwich in my. In my pocket chicken sandwich, that's misspeaking. It's true.

[B]

When I call my hip an old hip, that's misspeaking new hip. Gretchen's like, I mean, that's why I said sometimes you use words wrong. Oops. I'm like, well, so do you think that, like, there's any. Like, if Katie had said that defense, like, well, I misspoke. Well, first of all, Kitty actually should have said that a long time ago because she actually could have really pulled up. But, like, I misspoke. I shouldn't have said that. But, like, if Katie had just said, like, I misspoke. I was traumatized. I misspoke. Do you think that Gretchen and Shannon would have been like, oh, well, that's okay, dear. You're. You're traumatized. It happens. No. Hell, no.

[A]

No, no. Shannon hated Katie for her reasons, you know, so she's on that. That bandwagon because of the videotape. Of Shannon having a breakdown in the dressing rooms. So Gretchen passed the lie detector test, Andy points out. And Emily's like, she. She passed because she didn't go to the hospital. Because if she went to the hospital 15 years ago, we would have seen it. And he's like, yeah, we would have heard about it. So now their article, now they're all arguing like, well, yeah, Gretchen's innocent because she didn't go to the hospital.

[B]

It proves nothing. It proves that she lied during mastro.

[A]

It's all it's proving is that she was lying at mastros, which is the whole fucking point. It's not whether or not she went to the hospital is that she lied about it in mastros and is now saying that Katie is the one that's lying about it. And they're all changing it and making it sound like, well, we know that Gretchen was telling the truth about. Yep.

[B]

That's 100, right? No, it's like, it just means that she lied at a different instance. So Andy's like, well, I think we would have heard about it by now. Like, yeah, yeah. I mean, like, look, Katie. Katie takes it a second step, and then she says that Gretchen says that she had a toxicology report. Can you believe it? A toxicology. I mean, could you. Don't bring a toxicology report into it. That's just inappropriate. Katie's like, but that's how she explained it to me. And Gretchen says, like, I mean, if there were a toxicology report, I would have screamed it from the top of the mountaintops.

[A]

Yeah, but that's the point. You were lying about it. It's like you're getting one over on someone. We know you were lying about it, and we've.

[B]

It's like, you know, almost in a certain way. I'm not gonna say it was good that she lied about it, but I'm like, you know, when. If you tell the story enough times, you kind of. You fudge the details more and more and more. And like you said, they've probably been talking about it for 15 years, and it comes up like, oh, God, Tamara. I mean, I was so. I was. God, I was so wasted. I probably should have gone to the hospital. Maybe I did go to the hospital. Well, then it becomes. I did. Like, the story becomes a big fish story. And, like. And now all of a sudden, they are, you know, now you're being held accountable because it got out.

[A]

But I think it's also important to note we have. We've said it a million times this season, you know, because it's. Obviously, it's the reunion. We've already talked about all of this. But. But Katie is the biggest dumbass here, because Katie went. She calls up Kiki Monique or Kiki Monique calls her up, they go to lunch, and she does all this to. And what is the point of. She's saying she was trying to find fellowship with a fellow person of color. Okay, fine. But that's not why you bring up Naked Wasted and talk about Roofy. You were gossiping with a fucking person that you knew was gonna go spread it on the TV or on the radio. You knew that That's. You know, that that's what you were trying to do. So Katie's also kind of full of shit, too, because, like, she's right in what she told the bl. I'm not saying her information was bad, but she's doing this to herself. And so I think her doing this and then being surprised that everybody teamed up against her is a little bit silly. Like, you broke the cardinal rule. You know, you got caught talking to the bloggers, and you were the one who did it to yourself. So it's hard for me to feel too bad for Katie, but I do see that everybody up there is lying their asses off. They all know that Gretchen and Slade said that Tamara roofied her. They all know it.

[B]

They all know.

[A]

And it's not the first time she said it.

[B]

I'm sure Katie is just very clunky with her messiness. She's very, very clunky. She's so bad at it. I mean, how many times did she have to apologize and take it on the chin before any of this happened in the season? You know, I was like, I. Shannon, I never took a video of you. I never did it. Well, I did a recording. I did a recording. I only sent it to Matt. It was only Matt's like. It's like. And I apologize. It's like one thing after another. So she is quite the clunky schemer, but I also think that she's. The punishment just doesn't fit the crime. That's all it is. That's what it comes down to. So. All right, let's bring the essos out. Slade and Ryan declined, but Matt Janella is here. Matt, come on out.

[A]

Okay. Absolutely ridiculous that both Slade and Ryan declined to be here. Of course they did, you wussies. You knew that Matt was going to call your asses out, and neither one of you had the nuts to show up here.

[B]

There. That Blade should have been there for sure. He should have been there also, too.

[A]

I think Gretchen didn't let Slade come is my guess.

[B]

I think so. I think actually the very least, Slate should have been there to defend Gretchen because Gretchen got a lot of flack for Slade. She. Whether it was this, whether it was about the recording with the pop star, what Slade said, like, she took a lot of thrashings for Slade and now, now out of nowhere, he suddenly doesn't. He suddenly. He wants to be like, withdrawn. He doesn't want to be accused of wanting to be a housewife. It's too late. The accusations there. The footage of you doing comedy, bits of the improv is. Is already out there.

[A]

And by the way, for anybody help your girlfriend. Yeah. Who. Anybody who might be believing any of the horseshit that Gretchen is spewing today. I would. I bring to you Slade Smiley's biography from the Liberace Foundation. And Ben, I'm gonna. This is kind of long, so I'm gonna send you this link over text so that you can jump on here and help me out.

[B]

Because it's good.

[A]

It's worth it.

[B]

It's long, but it's worth it. Speaking of AI filters, this picture of Slay that they attached to it. Oh, my God.

[A]

Which by the way, doesn't even show his whole face. It cuts off at his nose if you look at the article. So. And he's like holding his. He's wearing a turtleneck and holding his hands in prayer mode and holding his sweater to hide his waddle like this. It's like in black and white. Entrepreneur and Real Housewives of Orange county icon icon Slade Smiley builds brand momentum as a newly appointed Liberace foundation board member. A talented stage performer since childhood, influential actor and entrepreneur Slade Smiley has filled many roles, from professional athlete and recognized television icon to sought after model, working with global brands such as Adidas, Gillette, Volkswagen and Gatorade. His recent work.

[B]

I was about to say influential. Influential actor. I mean, is this the year he finally gets his Cecil B. DeMille Award? I am wondering.

[A]

And model Slade Smiley. Oh, yes, that model.

[B]

Who. I mean, I mean, with a bio like this, I would never expect this person to say anything but the truth, given how truthful this bio already is.

[A]

Yeah. His recent work includes contributing as a returning cast member on Bravo's Real Housewives of Orange county alongside his wife, Gretchen, Christine Rossi, who he's not even married to, making television history that entertained an audience of over 450 million people.

[B]

Well, everyone, congratulations, Mash. You had a good run. But the number one show of all time is now Real Housewives of Orange County.

[A]

Slade Smiley has performed for as many people as hamburgers that McDonald has served. Okay, thank you. Today, Smiley works to shape a public legacy of successful entrepreneurship, developing a growing collection of luxury, lifestyle and fashion brands in partnership with Rossi, in addition to establishing a private legacy as a father to his three children, Gavin Grayson and baby Skyler Gray. Wait two of the previous that he hasn't paid child support for and still owes $152,000 to to this day.

[B]

Smiley's collaboration with the Liberace foundation began with a chance encounter meeting Chairman of the Board Jonathan Warren at an industry conference in Las Vegas. Quote Slade was flanked by some of the world's biggest brand managers, all of whom were more than happy to share glowing reviews regarding their experience with him, says Warren. Even before I realized he was an international celebrity, the quality of his work and valuable connections within the industry spoke volumes about his character. This was not just a star and Guam, this was going to be a star for all of the Liberace nation.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

So it says. Learn more about slade [e-mail] graysonentertainment.com and when you click the link it is server not found because it's a misspelled link and you've got a lot of nerve naming your child naming your entertainment company. Grayson, you pig. Pay your child support. That is the kid that died without Slade paying for his child support. That is absolutely disgusting. So I spelled it right. And Grayson Entertainment is another. We can get into that some other day. But this is another fucking joke. I mean, this guy. Fuck this guy. This guy is a compulsive liar. He's disgusting, and he's an absolute wuss for not showing up here and getting his. Because he deserves it.

[B]

He should have. He should.

[A]

He.

[B]

He really should have. And I think it's just, like, shitty that he makes Gretchen have to, you know, be a mouthpiece for all of his lies, and she just has to take it. So Andy's like, all right, well, obviously there's a big discrepancy between Slade and Matt's account. Matt, you said that you had a 43 minute conversation with Slade, and Slade said that he spent the entire time working on the second draft of his Liberace childhood script. So what was the truth in this?

[A]

Well, okay, so Matt, are you going to answer this is your question. Okay. So Matt's like, okay, let's go back to Mastros. Okay, we're on hole nine picture.

[B]

Wind was coming east, 1949.

[A]

He's like, look, I don't know anything about naked wasted. This was some story. But this story that they told us was told to illustrate to us how dangerous Tamra could be and what Tamara is capable of. And they went into great detail about this night that led to a drugging and a hospital. But in terms of holding the line, they're in New Orleans and I get a text from Slate, hey, bro, 91 1. And Gretchen's like, he said, hey, bro, I got kind of a nine, one, one. Give me a call. That's what he said. And he's like, I know what it says. Thank you for the detail. And everyone's like, oh, Oh, I can't.

[B]

Oh, that was. That was such a bitchy moment. I love that. He was. Thank you for the detail. Because, like, she's interjecting with the stupidest, like, adjustment. No, it wasn't. Hey, bro, nine, one, one. It's. I kind of got a nine, one, one. Yeah.

[A]

And he's like, yeah, that's what I said.

[B]

Gretchen. Gretchen. Trying to get the exact, like, the exact truth of this text. When Slades. He's sitting here with his bio full of all this right on the Internet from the Librachi Foundation.

[A]

Exactly. And Shannon's like, oh, Oh, I can't believe a man is speaking that way to a woman. Oh, stop it. You guys get up here and you lie about someone and they have a right to come up here and speak their mind and Defend themselves with you guys without you guys interrupting him every second and calling him a liar, which is what you're already doing. The man already got one sentence out, and you guys are jumping down his throat. He has a right. Especially Gretchen, when your man won't even show up to defend himself. And you weren't on the text. You weren't on the call, and. And she's here, like, standing up for everything he says and arguing with Matt. Like, girl, you don't get to do this argument. You weren't on the call, and your man is too much of a wuss to show up and defend himself. Just be quiet.

[B]

Also, don't forget Shannon doesn't like Matt because remember at the season finale last year, Matt was, like, hiding out indoors to get to be away from the. The guy who's going to jail. And Shannon, like, went into. Went inside for some reason. She, like, went to, like, grab a bite, and he was. He said something like, wow, good buffet. Oh, are you. Are you're saying that I'm just gonna eat a whole buffet? That's what you're saying? That's. That's real rude. I do not like that man.

[A]

What was it? I forgot what it was that he said. Was it something about drinking or something? And she got really.

[B]

It was some small thing. It was something about drinking or snacking or whatever. And she got so mad as well. Katie, you gotta get a hold of your husband. The things that he said to me, how rude this man was. So she already.

[A]

You know who's loving all of this is Tamara. Every time it cuts to Tamara, she's like, yeah, yeah, listen to this. It's a good one. Tell him that. Tell him. Tell him, buddy.

[B]

When Matt. When Matt said thank you for the detail, Andy goes, oh, whoa. And then Tamara does the. And then it just cuts to Shannon looking left, right?

[A]

Like.

[B]

The fire exits, are they available?

[A]

He's had one line, and it's already mayhem on this stage. So Matt's like, well, I'm being called the liar, and that's why I'm here. And I'm here to talk to them. And they didn't show up because all this happened, okay? And Jen's like, well, Ryan. Ryan didn't show up because he goes, anyway, I'm saying. And sounds like, oh, wow.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

That is very rude. That is very rude. Opposite of thank you. Opposite of thank you. And Matt's like, well, I think a lot of this is rude. Calling people liars is rude.

[B]

Well, I'm being called a liar as well.

[A]

Yeah, but you're lying.

[B]

Me too.

[A]

And you're lying, too.

[B]

And you're lying.

[A]

That's why you're lying.

[B]

Well, people lie, and you get held accountable. And you probably don't want to bring up the conversation you had at that dinner. And I'm not going to go there either.

[A]

I'll go there.

[B]

You were the first person who said, the second I met Eddie, he was gay. Tamara's like, ha, I don't want to talk to any of them.

[A]

They were sitting there.

[B]

They were sitting there.

[A]

This one's been doing it for me.

[B]

15 years calling any gay.

[A]

And Matt's like, you really want to get into it? Do you really want to get into it? And Gretchen's like, you literally said, the second I met Eddie, I knew he was gay and you were talking shit about it. And Katie goes, that's because you guys told us that this guy walked in on Eddie with another man, which is of course they're gonna forget. And it was quiet because they were all over talking her. So I don't think a lot of people even heard that. But yes, that was you, Gretchen, spreading that story. You're mad that he's comment. He said, oh, yeah, I figured that guy was gay. You were the one telling the story about walking in on Eddie doing some other guy. That's what he was commenting on. You phony.

[B]

Yeah. Sandy's like, all right, well, so you spoke to Slade. He's like, listen. Slade just said, listen, Katie talked to Kiki, Monique. Katie just sealed their own fate. That story was never supposed to come out. Yeah, no, he didn't. He said, did Katie talk to Kiki, Monique? Were you on the call? No, but, like, say told me what happened, and you're the biggest liar.

[A]

They're about to stop.

[B]

He's like, okay, I'm gonna keep on moving on. So I'm like, shit, I need to get a hold of Katie. And that was never supposed to come out. So I called Katie and then there's like, phone logs. There's text messages. Oh, yeah. Well, you said on the show he called you 20 times in a row. And like, you know what? You're. You're a liar. You're a liar. You've been proven to be a liar so many times. Do you watch the show? I have Verizon records. I have Verizon. And he goes, I have AT&T. It's a very similar thing.

[A]

He called you once. It was for 11min. And he's like, I'm telling the conversation I had with Slade okay, so Shannon's like, oh, just let him finish his story so we can go. Look at him. He's shaking right now. Yeah, because you guys aren't letting him get one thing out. He's probably freaking out. You know, the men don't understand how difficult this is. It's like, every time the men have to have an argument with these ladies, it's rough. I mean, they are running ramshod all over you the entire time.

[B]

He's like, oh, he works in golf. People speak in hushed tones. He's not used to this. It's very scary.

[A]

So he's like, well, Slade is saying, you've got to stick with Gretchen and hold the line. And that was never said. So Andy asks what Slade told Gretchen. The conversation was. And Gretchen's like, well, when Slade called, he was like, now we're hearing you're not just talking to bloggers, but making up stories about us. And then you said, no slate. I swear it didn't happen. And then Slade said, okay, but I'm gonna trust you as my friend, so I'm gonna choose to believe you because you've never been untruthful. And he's like, okay, so you're saying that that's what Slade said to me. She's. Yeah, well, that's what he told me. And then Katie, when the room. And Nola, she goes, I was protecting you. I was protecting you. She's like, but I literally looked at you and said you would never go to a blogger, right? And make up a story. And Matt's like, well, I called Slade, and Slade said, hold the line. He did not say hold the line. It's in the text, Gretchen. So then they pop up this text, and what does the text say?

[B]

The text says, it's actually from Matt and Matt. Tex. Text, Texas. Matt text texted Slade, and he said, gretchen and Katie stayed aligned and poked holes in their timeline, and she walked out.

[A]

Whatever.

[B]

Like, I guess talk about Tamara. But he. But, like, it's a little iffy because in this case, it's Matt saying it. It's not. Not technically coming from Slade. So Gretchen's like, you wrote that? You wrote that? He didn't write that. But, like, you have to wonder what is the larger context of why he would say they stayed aligned, you know? So Andy's like, can I point out something? First and foremost, Kiki Monique is a podcaster, not a blogger, and she has a show on radio. Andy just wanted to get a little promo in there. And by the way, had this happened 15 years ago, it would have been a huge deal that we all would have dealt with. And Gretchen's like, yeah, I would have called the cops. That's a lie. No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't have even got on the show. Someone who did that. Sure, sure.

[A]

Yeah. But that's. Whatever. So Andy's like, okay, well, where is Slade? He's not shy of from cameras. Like, where is he? And she's like, because everyone accuses him of wanting to be a housewife. And he says, I don't want to be accused of that. No, you didn't want him to. You left him home because you knew that Slade would be like, oh, yeah, I said it. Fuck all, you. Slade totally would have made this 20 times worse for Gretchen, and she knows it. And she says, don't worry, Slade has his way of telling the truth. He can do it 20 other ways. Yeah. Without anybody sitting here arguing with him or calling on all the lies that he spews. So, yeah, he'll go on Instagram or something, I'm sure.

[B]

So the maca's. I mean, what? He's on his fourth housewife. I'm the third ass one. Don't do that.

[A]

That is just so low. Oh, really? Is it? Because last year you were mad that John Jansen was on his second housewife, so now it's suddenly too low. Come on. That guy's. Yeah, you know, it's.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. So Shannon's like, it's just rude. And Jen says, and Ryan, you know, he would have met you whenever. And Kitty's like, well, why hasn't he reached out to Matt? I mean, how many times have you reached out to Ryan? And Katie's like, well, I'm. I'm the one that's not filming. And she's like, you're not victims. I'm in the same seat as you are in Katie. She goes, so I. With your paycheck and your livelihood, Jen, I had to stop filming. If you had to stock up for me, even the littlest bit, the tiniest bit, do you think that would have happened? She's like, what? It's like, that's right. I had conversations about this. And Emily's like, katie, that has nothing to do with any of us.

[A]

And the fact that you tried to.

[B]

Put that on me too, is completely unfair. Just because I said, you better leave and get out of here. And I went around and spent the first half of the season talking about how you're such a liar and terrible has nothing to do with why you're not on the show anymore.

[A]

And said you refused to be in the same room with her and shit like that. On camera, Please. Like, you're saying. You're saying that you never said you refused to film with Katie anymore. You guys are such liars. You all. I pissed her out. So, yes, it is your fault. And you, if you're going to make an argument, you should say, katie, if you want people to film with you, then you shouldn't be going and talking to people with a radio show to give them gossip about what's going on. We're not going to talk. I mean, that would have been valid, at least, you know, no matter whose side you're on. They could have been like, I'm not hanging out with you. I don't trust the thing you're going to do if you're going to go behind our back and talk to a fucking blogger or podcaster. And that would have been okay, but she's like, oh, you're trying to make it sound like Gaga kicked you off. And that's just untrue. Well, that's also a lie. We all know it.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. So Kitty is basically like, you know, if you had just said Jan, like, if you just said, I, I, I support her, like, in just the slightest amount, I'm aligned with you. In the slightest amount, I could have kept filming. And Jen's like, but I wasn't there to be in alignment. I was there to be your friend. Well, a real friend would have called me that night. And Gina goes, whoa, this is crazy. Yeah.

[A]

So Joan's like, I stuck up for you all the time, you know, but you've got to stop take. You've got to start taking ownership. And she's like, but I did. I did own things. And she's like, but I'm also a person in our friend, in our friendship. And I lost you a friend I believed in, so I did not with your paycheck. The fact that anybody would even accuse me of being near a paycheck is new on this show. How dare you?

[B]

How dare you. Katie.

[A]

Katie, thank you so much for coming. God, it really has been good seeing you. Thank you so much.

[B]

So fun. And that was the end of the episode. We've got one more left. But until then, who knows? Maybe something will pop off on at BravoCon. I guess we'll see what happens. I'm sure there'll be lots of fiery questions for this cast, whatever panels they're on. And so excited to hear. Excited to hear what happens.

[A]

Yeah. Well, this has Been super fun, everybody. We will be a little bit late with our Monday recap because we will be traveling that day, but we will be recapping it. So just join us later and have an amazing weekend. Okay?

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