#3078 Crappy Hour 11/17/25: BravoCon Breakdown With Two Judgey Girls

Summary

Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens — #3078 Crappy Hour 11/17/25: BravoCon Breakdown With Two Judgey Girls

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Guests: Courtney & Mary (Two Judgey Girls)
Date: November 18, 2025

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Overview

This special “Crappy Hour” episode is a lively, detailed debrief of BravoCon 2025. Hosts Ben and Ronnie, joined by Courtney and Mary from Two Judgey Girls, share behind-the-scenes moments, Bravo celebrity encounters, juicy gossip, and their personal highlights of the Bravo-centric festivities in Las Vegas. The conversation is candid and full of the signature humor and irreverence fans love, pulling back the curtain on the Bravo universe, its stars, and the fandom that fuels it.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. BravoCon Vibes: Overwhelmed but Exhilarated

[03:40]

• Both hosts and guests describe the event as a sensory overload and a “fever dream” but ultimately an “amazing, grateful exhausted” (Courtney, 09:33).
• “We are wrecked. We are bested. I'm spent. I need rehab. I need therapy.” – Ronnie [03:40]
• The feeling of kinship between content creators and their audience is strong; meeting fans and fellow podcasters is a highlight.

2. Podcast Community & Creator Solidarity

[06:00]

• Ben and Ronnie share joy at mingling with fellow Bravo content creators, including Danny Pellegrino, Ryan Bailey, Michelle Collins, Brian Moylan, and the Two Judgey Girls.
• Meeting and being recognized by Bravo celebs was both surreal and affirming, even when confronted: “The phrase I heard the most this weekend was, ‘Why do you hate me?’” – Ronnie [04:31]

3. Bravo Stars: Interactions and Gossip, Up Close and Personal

A. Star Interactions

• Most Bravo stars were warm and good-humored, even those who’ve been roasted on the show. “I was, like, a little slightly apprehensive that some Bravo stars would come up to me and be, like, angry at us. But ... I think they're more scared of us.” – Ben [05:07]
• Emily Simpson and Heather Gay interactions: “It's a comedy show. If you were perfect, we'd still rag on your ass.” – Ronnie [05:47]

B. Notable Encounters

• Whitney Rose (SLC): Repeated stories of her being “shit faced the entire weekend” – Ronnie [10:14]
  • “Heather was just kind of, like, propping up Whitney. Whitney was ... steady enough, unsteady enough, that ... Heather just sort of had an arm around her.” – Ben [11:50]
• Shep (Southern Charm): “I ran into Shep twice ... I got deeply offended that he didn't know who I was, and I was unsure if he knew who I was" – Mary [15:25]
• Luann de Lesseps: Mary’s goal was to have a cigarette with Lu, but only got a pretend interview moment [15:03].
• Heather Gay Spat: Ronnie and Heather make peace over a minor spat: "I'll still gamble with you, but you need to pick a less stupid game..." – Ronnie [13:20]

C. Bravo Star Hierarchy and Handler Culture
[24:52]

• Newbies like the Next Gen cast were left to fend for themselves, while established stars had full entourages: "Do you have a handler? ... Some of the blow deck people ... have people literally carrying their shoes and ... doing everything for them." – Ben [25:13]

4. Insider Gossip and Scandal

• Rachel Zoe: Noted as distant or “not nice” to fellow Bravolebs – Ben [22:26], theorized it could be her A-list background clashing with Bravo culture.
• Portia Williams: Escorted off a plane by air marshals (news dropped mid-episode) [32:00].
• Shep’s Bar Meltdown: Caught on video, “going off” about Paige and Craig, claiming their relationship was fake for followers and money: "How many followers did Paige get off of Craig?... They were just faking it this whole time to make millions of dollars." – Ronnie [35:34]
• Sandoval & Girlfriend: "He was just having a good time... talking about ego risers, AI detectors, and twirling his girlfriend whose ass came out of her dress.” – Ronnie [37:45]

5. Panel Hosting: Podcaster Standout Moment

[28:25]

• Ben and Ronnie hosted a panel on the Gold Stage for the Next Gen NYC cast; crowd enthusiasm for the podcasters was notably high, per Courtney.
• “Walking out onto that stage ... you just ... look out, it's massive. It's like a full-on convention room ... It was wild.” – Ben [29:00]
• Q&A chaos, with the Next Gen cast trickling out answers forever about favorite NYC restaurants [31:14].

6. Social Dynamics & Shady Behavior Among Bravolebs

• Cy vs. Madison (Southern Charm): Fallout after Madison called Cy the meanest person she’d met. Cy responded: “Not all brown people look alike. I never even met her.” – Cy [45:54]
  • Ends with a DM spat: “Still couldn’t pick you out of a lineup. You’re extremely unmemorable.” – Cy [47:04]
• Jesse Solomon (Summer House): Threw shade at Vicki Gunvalson, expressing ignorance of her legacy [48:50].
• Wes (Summer House): Criticized on social for being "too cool for school," retorted online about negative fan impressions [49:21].

7. Bravo Audience & Fandom Observations

• VIP experience was less accessible this year, due to crowding and last year’s chaos: “They were keeping them more sequestered … people crawling over those couches … to get to Patricia [Altschul].” – Ronnie [52:07]
• Las Vegas logistical headaches, bracelet drama, and the rain presented challenges for attendees [53:27].

8. Reflections on Bravo’s Casting Choices & Franchise Drama

• Discussed the controversy over bringing Vicki Gunvalson back amid ongoing allegations and scandals: “Why would you bring back such a bigoted monster? … I can't believe they're bringing her back…” – Ronnie [55:53]
• Noted OC’s ongoing issues and cast riffs, especially after insensitive comments from key players.

9. Personal and Heartwarming Moments

• Fan Interaction: Hugging, partying, and the “giant meetup” with over 350 fans [07:00].
• Margaret Josephs' Party: Called the best of BravoCon, featuring mountains of caviar, photo booths, and Booze [68:38].
• Host's Own Watch What Crappens Party: Over 300 guests attended, with ice cream from Jenny’s and a “lovely vibe” [69:06].

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “[BravoCon] was a sensory overload and a fever dream … We are wrecked. We are bested.” – Ronnie [03:40]
• “I think a hoarse voice is an indication of a strong weekend for sure.” – Courtney [07:44]
• “I know you hate me, but I think you're really funny. And it was almost like they were scared of us.” – Ben [05:07]
• “Emily Simpson and Heather Gay interactions: ‘It's a comedy show. If you were perfect, we'd still rag on your ass.’” – Ronnie [05:47]
• “Whitney Rose was just shit faced the entire weekend. I didn’t hear from anyone who said that woman was sober even for five minutes.” – Ronnie [10:14]
• “How many followers did Paige get off of Craig? … They were just faking it this whole time to make millions of dollars.” – Ronnie [35:34]
• “[Shep] was going off on both of them, really … everyone was laughing at him. My messy queen, whoever [recorded] it was.” – Ronnie [35:34]
• “Not all brown people look alike. I never even met her before.” – Cy to Madison via Instagram [45:54]
• “The crowd was electric for you guys ... everyone was just so proud of you.” – Courtney, praising Ben & Ronnie’s panel [29:23]
• "Bravo is the last thing standing ... between us and a civilized nation ... the Bravo standards have to apply to every show. No exceptions." – Ben [65:23]
• “Why would you bring back such a bigoted monster? I can’t believe they’re bringing her back for the show's in enough trouble. You guys need to do some fixing.” – Ronnie [55:53]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• BravoCon rundown & host exhaustion: [03:40] – [07:00]
• Meeting Bravo celebs/fan interactions: [04:31], [05:47], [07:00]
• Whitney Rose drunkenness & gossip: [10:14] – [12:52]
• Shep interaction: [15:03] – [16:45]
• Bravo fandom observation: [17:11] – [18:18]
• Hierarchies backstage: [24:52] – [25:33]
• Next Gen NYC panel, hosting reflections: [28:25] – [31:59]
• Portia plane incident: [32:00] – [33:09]
• Shep's drunken rant about Paige/Craig: [34:08] – [36:50]
• Vicki Gunvalson/OC cast drama: [55:18] – [56:50]
• Final thoughts, parties, and wrap-up: [68:38] – [70:22]

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

The episode is an exuberant, roast-filled love letter to all things Bravo, with affectionate mockery, dishy gossip, and a candid look at the paradox of recapping reality TV: critiquing and lampooning its stars, while also recognizing their humanity and being part of the same scene. Ben, Ronnie, and their guests are openly critical yet empathetic, blending snark and warmth in reporting the chaotic magic of Bravo fandom.

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For More:

• Two Judgey Girls podcast
• Watch What Crappens Patreon

Listeners seeking the unfiltered BravoCon story, with equal parts shade and celebration, will not want to miss this one.

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[A]

Well, hello and welcome to Crappy Hour. This is Monday, November 17th. I'm Ronnie and that's Ben over there. Hello, Ben.

[B]

Hi, Ronnie. How's it going?

[A]

Good, how are you? How's everything going today?

[B]

It's going so well. It's like I feel like everything for the past four days was like a fever dream. Did any of that really happen? How are you feeling?

[A]

Yes. We just got back from BravoCon, a four day whirlwind through that fever dream. My God, that was crazy. We had a really good time. But of course, probably like everybody who came back today, we. We are wrecked. We are bested. I'm spent. I need rehab. I need therapy. I need therapy. It was a lot more this time. We were on a panel. We did the Next Gen NYC panel, which was the final panel of the whole weekend. And it was fun, you know, it was cool talking to the kids and stuff like that and getting to do our first panel. But we also got to get a lot closer to a lot of the people on Bravo than I was expecting. And we really didn't even have to go up to some of these people and say anything. I was surprised how many of them listened to the show and. And I think one of the things I heard the most this weekend was the phrase, why do you hate me?

[B]

It was a lot of that.

[A]

It was a lot of soothing nerves and then promising to still diss your ass tomorrow, which he knows what's gonna happen. Cause that's us, you know. But it was great. How'd you feel about the whole thing?

[B]

Oh, my God, I had the best time. My first BravoCon. I didn't know what to expect. I didn't understand the lay of the land. It was just sort of like a whirlwind of Bravo stars. We also had our friends were podcasters or content creators that were there. And so it was like this. There's so much was going on. We did some radio shows, and it was like. It was. We threw a party. We threw a dinner. It was like every. It was like. It was so much. And I loved it. I loved every. Every ounce of it. And like you said, what was actually so funny was that, like, I was, like, a little slightly apprehensive that some Bravo stars would come up to me and be, like, angry at us. But what would happen was that we got a lot of people who were like, I know you hate me, but I think you're really funny. And it was almost like they were scared of us. It's like that nature thing. Like, when you see an animal, like, you see a bee, and your mom says it's more scared of you than you are of it. That's kind of how I felt about the Bravo stars sometimes.

[A]

Yeah, it was weird. I figured people who were meaner to, you know, like, the Emily Simpsons and the jowls, you know, people, like, I figured would just avoid us like the plague, but they didn't. They came right up and they were like, well, you know, they kind of stated their case. So there was a lot of that. And then there was a lot of promising, like, you know, our reaction. My reaction was basically like, look, this is a comedy show. It's not made for you guys. We're making fun of you. You could be perfect, and we're still going to rag on your ass and we're still going to rag on your ass tomorrow. But nice to meet you, you know, hangs. But it was really cool meeting so many people. So thank you to everybody over there who was so kind to us. But beyond the Bravo liberties and stuff, it was so great to meet so many of you. We had a big meetup. We had, like, 350 people there, and that was super fun. So we hugged a lot of you guys, which was great. And the best part of the whole weekend was, you know, for us, this is like when you go to a work conference and you see all the people that you work with or that you work in the same field as. And so we got to hang out with some of our besties in there. You know, Ryan was there, Ryan Bailey was there, Danny Pellegrino, Michelle Collins, Brian. What's his buns from Vulture. I'm sorry, I'm just old Brian, Moylan, the two judgy girls, obviously Courtney and Mary, and then Ceci and Angela, who we love. We went to a Bravo creator meetup the first night hosted by the prima Donald. So thanks for letting us into that one Gibson Chat and met so many creators there and it was really fun. But to break this all down, Ben and I, you know, can talk for hours and we probably will all week. But we wanted to bring our friends on to talk about it with us. Cause what better way to decide, discuss it than with friends, Am I right? So let's welcome to the stage the two judgiest judgy girls, Mary and Courtney from Two Judgy Girls.

[C]

Hi, guys. Hi.

[D]

Oh my God, this is so fun.

[C]

I love that everyone has like a bit of a hoarse voice right now. Because it's like Mary and I were laughing yesterday, we got in a cab and we're like, yeah, we're off to do some interviews. And the guy's like, you want to practice on me? And I said not to be rude. I don't. I'm trying to conserve my voice. And then he just talked the whole time and I was like, this went the opposite direction. But I think a hoarse voice is an indication of a strong weekend for sure.

[B]

Yeah. I woke up like every morning sounding like Bea Arthur. It was, it was really insane. Like, hello there. Because there's, there's, it's really. Because there's so much at their parties and there's music playing and you're just shouting and you don't realize how much you're shouting until you get home. And you, you do sound like, like Lisa Barlo.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

Mary, how are you holding up?

[D]

I mean, you guys all flew out this morning. I, I got to fly out last night, so I feel like I'm going to maybe like a day ahead of you.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You know, you got a little rest. Yeah. But you also have a newborn.

[D]

I didn't get it. I woke up at 5:30 in the morning.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

To a baby.

[A]

I don't. You had a day ahead, but you had to go back to like full time mothering. So I don't know that you had it.

[C]

Mary, what do you prefer waking up next to me or waking up next to your baby?

[D]

That's really a trade off.

[C]

I will say. I woke up every morning, I was like, what is that noise? I'm like, oh my God, she's pumping.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

This is just our new normal now. And I kind of love it. Like, it's great.

[A]

Is it like an electric machine that's just like, oh, is that what it is?

[D]

Yes. It's disgusting.

[A]

I love it. I'm gonna get one. Okay, so what are your, what are your general thoughts? Like, how did the weekend go for you who should. Should we talk about, like who we met or stories? How do you guys want to do it?

[C]

Yeah, I mean, overall, I thought that the weekend, like I said, I didn't know what to expect on it. I thought I'm exhausted. A grateful exhausted. I thought it was so amazing. There were so many people. Like you guys said, we had so many Bravo liberties. You met so many fans and you guys were saying in the beginning like you were worried about people, like they were going to like if they were going to talk to you or not because they were feeling mean. I felt like all the Bravo liberties were very gracious throughout the week and now, granted, I think they should probably just be nice in general, but they didn't have to be as nice as they were. Do you know what I mean?

[A]

That's how I felt too. I was shocked, actually. I was expecting. Expecting to get slapped. What kind of gossip did you hear from people over there? I'll start.

[B]

I heard I.

[A]

The two pieces that I heard from multiple people. This isn't like huge gossip, but just the general vibe of people is that Whitney from Salt Lake City was just shit faced the entire weekend. I didn't hear from anyone who said that that woman was sober even for five minutes. So she apparently made an ass out of herself all weekend, which I felt kind of bad for. Like it's not surprising. But Ben and I were talking about how, oh, you wait until Heather's mad at you because that will be your storyline. She will have to be the alcoholic.

[B]

Yeah, I, I witnessed it firsthand. I witnessed, I witnessed Whitney Rose drunk firsthand. I landed my flight in from la. I landed at the exact same time. And I know I've told like many people. I like, I like really bragged about this a lot over the weekend. I was like, guys, my flight land at the same time.

[D]

Your claim to fame of the weekend.

[B]

This is my. I'm like, guys, I had the adjacent. I have said it a lot. But for people who haven't heard, like, literally if you guys saw on Instagram there was these videos of Britney singing on a plane and all that. That flight landed at the same time as my flight and I like walked off at the same time. I, I walked into the airport as Brittany was walking and I was like, oh my God. That was the first of about five different times I met Brittany over the weekend. And each time she didn't remember. She's like, hi, how are you?

[C]

Did she have the unicorn?

[B]

Each time I think she had the.

[A]

Unicorn for carried that thing the Whole. The whole trip.

[C]

And, you know, we. We got it Brit. Like, it's not the bunny.

[A]

Yeah. So Ben saw them. Yeah.

[B]

And so I, I. I encountered Whitney and Heather. I went to the bathroom. When I came out of the bathroom, Whitney and Heather were coming out of the bathroom at the exact same time. And. And Heather was just kind of, like, propping up Whitney. Whitney was not. Like, she wasn't gonna, like, fall over, but she was, like, steady enough, unsteady enough, that, like, Heather just sort of had an arm around her. And so I said hi to Heather. I was like, hey, Heather, it's been from Watch a Crap. And she goes, I know who you are. Ben Mandel Kerr. How are you?

[C]

Last name?

[B]

Yeah, she said the full Ed. She said the full name. Yeah, but Whitney. I told Whitney. I told them both. I was like, oh, we're having a party on Saturday night. That was when I still had an illusion that any Bravo Liberty would ever come to our party instead of, like, hanging out at the Four Seasons. So Whitney was like, DM me. DM me. And she was drunk, and she, like, grabbed my arms and goes, I want. I'm coming. DM me. And I was like, okay. And I DM'd her. Never. She never even read it. God bless.

[C]

The thought that counts.

[D]

That's fantastic.

[A]

So Heather. Heather told Ben something like, well, I guess Ronnie's not gonna gamble with me this time. Because we got into, like, a little thing where she wanted us to change a nomination. Cause she didn't, like, Monica was nominated for the crappies. So, whatever, we got in some stupid spat. But to me, it's not a spat. She just got mad at us or. And I figured, you know, that would blow over. So I saw her, and I was like, okay, I'll go make peace. So I went up to her and I said, hi. And I said. Ben said you hated me, and I don't hate.

[B]

Which I never said that.

[A]

I was paraphrasing. I was paraphrasing. I was taking the general idea. And she said, no, I didn't say that. I just said, you wouldn't gamble with me anymore. And I said, no, I'll still gamble with you, but you need to pick a less stupid game because she plays. I think she likes Pai Gow, which is really hard to. It's like, really hard to learn the rules to this game. I lost so much money, and I was like, this is stupid. Let's just make peace. So we made peace and hugged. But then she walked away really fast, and I was Like, I don't know. I don't know if we meant that, but it felt good because I don't like being in stupid spats, especially with, I don't know, someone on the tv, you know?

[D]

Right.

[C]

They're characters to us. I know they're real people, but, like.

[A]

Yeah, it feels weird. So who'd you guys see?

[B]

I think it's okay. I just. One last button on this. Because they were the ones who suggested that we should, like, Heather was the one who said we should do a picture. So, like, that felt like a.

[C]

You were there.

[B]

My interaction was very positive with her, so maybe she was concerned about where she stood with you. I'm not sure. I don't know.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I think we'll just see. We'll see. I felt like, yeah, I think when people over, I think it's fine.

[A]

I mean, it's not really even a feud, and it's stupid that I even said anything about it. The only reason I even said anything in the first place was because she unfollowed us both. And so people noticed and were asking. And I was on here one night and of course opened my big mouth. I was like, oh, shut up, Heather. You know, I did that whole thing, but I wouldn't have even mentioned it. And it's just stupid to have a spat. And I don't like these bloggers spatting with everybody anyway, and I don't want to be one of them. So I was like, let's just make up. I feel fine. Even if she still hates me. Who cares? She's a lady on my tv. So how about you guys? What were your personal interactions like?

[D]

I mean, my goal of the weekend was to have a cig with Lou that was literally. I put it out in the universe. And I did get to interview her on the, like, creator carpet on Sunday. And I didn't have a sig on me, but, I mean, we did a fake. Like.

[C]

So thought that counts again, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

I also, I. So I ran into Shep twice. And the first time he gave me a hug. And I've hung out with him in San Francisco, and I was like, I don't know if he knew who I was. And then I got deeply offended that he didn't know who I was, and I was unsure if he knew who I was.

[C]

And then Fair Mary, give the give. Like, where it was happening that him and Austin had just done a panel on that outside stage, and they came down to take pictures with people, and there were like, hundreds of Girls trying to take their photos. Mary had, like, big sunglasses on, and so I think she said something and it didn't register with him. It wasn't to, like, that he didn't remember her. I think he just was, like, glossed over. So I didn't want her.

[D]

It made me feel forgettable. And then luckily I ran into my weekend. Luckily I ran into him in the hallway. And I was like, I don't think you know who I was yesterday.

[C]

Redemption.

[D]

No, I remember. And he's like, and you posted a bad photo of me. And then we took a photo and Courtney got it where my eyes are closed. And she posted that photo, which he reposted so he looked good in it.

[C]

I did realize it is a live photo because when I posted our recap of the people that we met, it did show your eyes open. So I can. I'll change it, Mary. I'll make sure that you have it. I will apologize. I had one second to take it. We were like. It was like, no pictures. And I'm like, no way.

[A]

Someone just put CSBs, put those poor Bravo labs.

[B]

This is the best moment of their lives.

[C]

But we're all there converging on these people. Yeah.

[A]

You know, we're converging on these people. We all talk shit in some way, shape or form. And then we get there and we're like, hi.

[C]

And we're like, oh, well, I'm sad because I like me.

[A]

Well, I wonder why.

[C]

You know, haven't you seen the people posting, like, oh, you know, so and so brushed me off. Or like, so and so was rude to me.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And I was like, I don't think that that's. They're not trying to be. And this is not me defending Bravo liberties. But we've seen some of their schedules for the weekend. Like, they are literally go, go, go. And I'm like, I feel like people are finding them just at the time where they're like, disassociating. Because I will tell you, at one point, I was standing there at the end of the day, and I was like, the lights are on. Nobody is home right now. Like you, Ronnie, even yesterday you said, you need to go take a nap.

[D]

It's like, I do.

[A]

Like, yeah. We were like, hey, let's. Let's have an end of trip dinner. And you're like, yeah, I can't wait. Let's just go hang out and just relax. I said, do you have nap face? You need to get your ass to a bed because. And I didn't. We didn't we did have dinner. We had, like, a casual dinner and then just crashed out.

[B]

Well, you don't know what happened afterwards, Ronnie, which is that. So Ronnie and I went and had dinner with Asia and Hannah from below deck, as well as our friend Kimberly. And we're like, we're just gonna, like, a nice, chill, relaxing dinner, wind down, share some stories. Just easy. And that's what we did. It was, like, just nice. It was lovely. It was just a lovely way to spend, like, Sunday night. And then we were like, let's. When we walked into the casino, into Mandalay Bay, and then we're like, Asia and some of her friends came to meet up, and then, like, we sort of split. Some people went to go gamble, and then the rest of us went. There was, like, a little bar to go, well, let's get a drink. And this bar had a dance floor. And then all of a sudden, Asia's like, oh, yes, this is my gym. And next thing you know, we're on the dance floor. Asia is, like, twerking on me, and I'm like, wait, how am I on a dance floor right now? This is crazy. And then I was like, well, let me see what time my flight is tomorrow. I was like, I have to wake up at six in the morning, and I'm suddenly dancing on my chill night. What is going on? And I was like, I have to go. I have to go. I have to go. And I, like, chugged my drink, and I was like, bye, Asia. Bye, everyone. I did. I didn't even say bye. I could. Well, I was like, I couldn't. I didn't know where you were, Rami. I was like, I'm going home, but I just want to let you know.

[A]

Ronnie, for 10 minutes, and I came back in there, and I was like, oh, hell, no. Why would they go in there? It was like a. It was like a dinner cruise. Everybody in their, like, weird skirts dancing to, like, Brick House. I was like, get me.

[B]

It was like all the Raiders fans had converged.

[D]

Vegas is always scary, you know, like, you don't want to be there on the Sunday.

[B]

Yeah, it was weird. Well, because there was, like, a fan. You know, I guess in Vegas, what happens is that with all the conventions and events, there's always, like, this turnover. So, like, all weekend long, it's like people in T shirts that have Countess Luanne's face on. It's like, countess Luanne. Countess Luanne. Clip, Clip. You know, all these phrases. And then all of a sudden, Sunday afternoon, it's just like a sea of Raiders fans because Monday Night Football cowboys.

[D]

And it was cowboys.

[B]

Yeah. So you had this strange, like, pivot to football. And I was like, I don't know if I can deal with this right now. And I say, this is someone who likes football.

[A]

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[A]

Quince.com crappins the other thing I heard consistently was that Rachel Zoe wasn't very nice to people. And not. Not us, but the other Bravo labs were saying that.

[C]

Really, I don't.

[A]

I don't know if any of us met her. I saw her pass by, but I didn't say anything to her. But I've heard that. I heard that Whitney was wasted.

[D]

I can also.

[A]

Asking about hair.

[D]

I can also see, like, Rachel, like, she was. She's never been in an ensemble cast and like, she was the star. So maybe she's having trouble, like, sharing the spotlight.

[B]

I could see that she also lives in a world of real celebrities. And so now you have all these Bravo celebrities doing like celebrity cosplay. And like one of the weird mind of the weekend is that all the Bravo liberties suddenly become A listers. And then all of us, we get to be. We get. We. We move up to the level of reality star fam. So we're. We are the new D listers. And so. But they get to be the A listers. But Rachel Zo's like, but no, I actually interact with A listers. Like, I.

[A]

This is.

[C]

Yeah, but she's got to get over that because now she's one of them, you know? And like we were saying the whole weekend, we're like the. All the Bravo liberties are. They're the Beatles for the weekend. Like, we were in the VIP at one point on the. And Amira from Next Gen came out, and I don't know if you guys had gone in there, but they had basically like maybe like three different entrances that people were coming from the green rooms. And they take three steps out. And I mean, I'm not kidding when I say mobbed. Like, you see people sprinting, and I'm like, what is happening? And then they're just surround. So like, they just surrounded her and then just started chanting, next gen. Next gen. And I was like, I. I don't know what to do with this info, you know. And then Amira, who is obviously like, it's her first time at this problem. So she. I'm sure that's her first time floor at that point too, because that was on a Friday. I'm like, oh, no, Courtney, Courtney.

[D]

At one point you had like, you were helping the Next gen people.

[C]

Like at the one point gathering Brooks and Ariane on the creator carpet. They're like, what do we do? Like, after we had interview them, they're like, so what do we do? I'm like, what do you mean? Like, what do we do on this carpet? I'm like, oh, you just, like, go to the next room. Like, do you not have a handler? They're like, no. So then I saw him standing. I was like, let me get. I felt like I was their mom. Like, I was Meredith Marksing it right now. Like, let me take you to someone. Like, if you need help, please come to me. So they're like, thank you so much. Couldn't have been nicer. I felt, like, very, like, maternal and, like, protective over them at one point.

[A]

I did, too, because we did their panel, and I felt the same way. Like, some of the questions I just felt mean asking, and then they. You know, you can tell they feel bad, and I'm like, it's okay, honey. You know, like, come here. You know, you just want to, like, hug them. And it is interesting how to see the backstage stuff, how Bravo treats different tiers of their stars.

[C]

Tell us more.

[A]

Jen is new, so they don't have the handlers, whereas some of the blow deck people who've been there forever have people literally carrying their shoes and carrying their makeup and, like, do you want this? Do you want that? And they're, like, running around them, like, I won't look you in the eye, you know, treating them like they're Jennifer Lopez. And then the next gen kids, they're just like, all right, get out there. Do your thing. You know, it's like your audition or whatever.

[D]

Tell me about Charlie. Tell me about Charlie.

[B]

Charlie was very aloof. He. I mean, he was. I mean, he said some. Something nice backstage. I don't remember what he said to us. He was like. He's like, good job. Good job on them. He, like, complimented us. He's like, you guys did a good job.

[C]

And that's a big compliment coming from Charlie. I think if he says, good job.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, he was just doing his brat pack from the 80s thing where he's like, I'm gonna wear sunglasses, and I'm above it, and, like, he's slink. He sat in his chair like this the whole time. It's like, I'm Charlie. I was like, babe.

[C]

You brought up Lindsay Lohan. He's like, well, yeah, that was high school. It's like, okay, Charlie, not to be rude. She's a star now. I do want to comment that there's a very large age difference between the two of them, but I'm like, use that as your claim to fame. But also, before we start, like, I just also want to just give you guys the biggest props because you hosted your first panel. It was the Last one of the weekend. You absolutely killed it. Like, the crowd while people watch that show. The crowd was for you guys. Like, everybody there could not have been more excited to see you. Like, I heard people talking about it. Like, when is Ben and Ronnie's panel? Like, where. What stage is it at? Like, they were so excited to see your success. So I just wanted to, like, shout that out that, like, you guys, everyone.

[A]

Was so nice to us. We had so much fun at that thing. There were so many people there. It was crazy to walk out and see so many people.

[C]

And, you know, I'm not kidding. The crowd was for you guys. Like, everyone whispering around me was just like, oh, my. And they were just so proud of you. Me too. But you know what I mean? Like, everyone's really very happy to see you.

[B]

Thank you. We've. We've been getting so much love from, like, top to bottom people at Bravo. People in the audience, random people have. Have. Have messaged us and have been so complimentary. Rachel Roy came right up to us and was like, you guys did such a good job. Congratulations. Oh, you were so wonderful.

[A]

And you know what? I said, what's your name? And she said, oh. She said, I'm Rachel. I'm Ava's mom. I said, oh, my God, you look so different. I said, you're so pretty in real life. But, you know, it's like you're seeing this model, and she just had her hair up in a baseball cap. So I don't recognize anybody out of Glam Darling.

[C]

Who would be. At least you didn't say Becky.

[A]

You know, I know, because, of course, that's the first thing. I was like, becky with the good hair. Oh, no.

[D]

What would be be your dream cast panel for next Bravo Con?

[A]

Oh, Miami was lit, and Kiki had Miami, and she was like, oh, my God, you guys. You know, you could just tell. She was like, okay, ladies, sit down. I mean, I would have loved that. I think crazier.

[D]

I was interviewing Kiki and Sonia Morgan kept on coming into the interview and interrupting it, and then Kiki literally started interviewing Sonia for me. Like, that is the chaos of the red carpet at Bravo Con.

[A]

Yeah, that's funny.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right.

[B]

I would love. Yeah, sorry. No, no, no, go on. I'm just saying Salt Lake City would be great. I just also want to say, like, that experience of walking out onto that stage, we were. They actually put us on, like, the big stage, which was cool for people who weren't there, there's, like, the big stage, which is the gold Stage. Then there's like the Bravo verse stage, which I, I don't think I actually went into that room. And then there was like a smaller stage that was in like the bazaar and they put us on the big one and you know, like, we were like, I've been in that room and I'd seen that that room is big. But it's like when you come around that corner and you're up there on the stage and you look out, it's massive. It's like a full on convention room and there's just chairs just go. And like, you know, like we played some nice sized places over the past year. Over the past years, but like this one, you just sort of. It just felt like, just went. It just kept on like a football field. I was like, oh my God, this is huge. It was crazy. And it was just. And we had a little earpiece in and there was a teleprompter. It was, it was wild. It was really wild.

[C]

Like it was just. You guys just absolutely killed it. And I think too is having that last panel of the weekend, that's a tough spot to be in, right? Because that's the last spot. People are tired. But the crowd, I still feel, I know you said that you could, you couldn't really hear the crowd that much, but the crowd was like electric for you guys. And to have the last panel, like, that was amazing.

[A]

Yeah, the crowd was really great. Look, you know, the kids, they're all filming a film, you know, where they're like, hey, like, they'll answer like this. You know, they're just very natural. And you ask them something, they're like, well, here's how I feel about it. Hey, Brooks, how do you. One of the first questions was something like, so, Brooks, do you think you've come more out of your shell this season? He's like, yeah, like really, like, I really, like.

[C]

He actually had a really funny, snarky comment on the panel. And I can't remember what it was, but I was like, oh my. I'm like, oh, maybe he really is kind of coming out of his shell. They were.

[A]

That was like, yeah, well, you know, he was flaring.

[B]

My favorite moment.

[A]

They were all mad at Charlie and he, he kept flaring his eyes like he was just about to go off. And I kept nodding at him like, bring it, you know, because he was looking like he was so pissed. But he wouldn't vocalize whatever he was pissed off about. So I need to get better. Maybe, maybe if I have more practice, I'll know how to be like brooks.

[C]

I think 2027, you guys are gonna have, like, five panels. You guys. I think you guys, that. That was the audition to do more panels. Like, you're gonna be all over it in 2027.

[B]

Was that towards the end, you know, there's Q and A from the audience. And so the.

[A]

The.

[B]

The. The directions they gave us was we would alternate back and forth. Like, you know, Ronnie would say, okay, you over there on the left, and I would say you over there on the right. Something like that. But we would alternate back and forth. So Ronnie. Ronnie cued someone in the line, and they had this question that was like, what's. What are your favorite spots in the city to eat at? And so then I was supposed to be the next one.

[A]

And then.

[B]

And they answered. I don't know if you noticed this, Ronnie. We never talked about this. They trickled out their answer, and every time I thought they were done, another one would say something. So, like, they're so low key, so it'd be like, lur. I really like going to lure. And then they'd be like, dead air. And I'd be like, okay. And then some of the Brooks would be like, I like pasta house. And like, okay. And I like spumoni's. Okay. And over the left, I also like Pietro. It's like. It was like this. I was like. I was like, you guys, enough. We don't need every single place. And they noticed that. They just kept on tricking out these answers, and I kept on stepping on them because I kept on thinking they were done, but they kept on, like, every single one of them wants to give, like, a very quiet answer. And I was like, okay.

[C]

So silly.

[A]

All right, well, let's talk about some of the gossip that came out of the weekend. Portia, this. The newest one is that Portia got in trouble on a plane. She got in trouble on her flight back. TMZ has reporters waiting at the gate, I guess, because we see the air marshals escorting her off the plane. And she's, of course, being escorted off, just as you think Portia would be.

[C]

She's like, love you.

[A]

Love you. Like, waving to fans and unbothered. We don't know what happened on that plane yet, I don't think. Have you guys heard?

[C]

No. But Kara Berry, do you guys follow her? Everybody's business. She was on threads yesterday, and she said, I have. Have some, like, information about somebody on a flight, and it's not Meredith. And then the portraits. And so. And I'm like, do I need to text her and see? But then I was like, you know, I'm gonna wait. So when the story came out, she just said, told you. I was like, oh, my God.

[A]

Well, why didn't she tell us? Yeah, she should have told everybody. Not giving it to tmz. Come on, Kara. Give us.

[D]

Well, maybe she made money on that.

[C]

Yeah, maybe she did tell TMZ and that's why they got the footage.

[A]

Oh, maybe.

[C]

We don't know. We don't. Sorry, guys. Don't tell us, though. Don't be still.

[B]

Stay.

[D]

I have to. I have to run right now, but I'm so happy I got to chat for just a little bit.

[A]

Yeah, we love you, Mary.

[D]

We love. I love seeing you guys irl and thank you for having me for a bit, but I got.

[A]

Yeah, we love seeing you, and thanks for coming and spending some time with us. And also, congrats on your baby.

[D]

Thank you so much.

[B]

Congrats on baby.

[A]

Okay, we'll talk to you soon, but we're going to. Courtney, suck up. See you later. Okay, so finally, that was really.

[B]

She's gone.

[A]

The baby maker's out of here. Thank God. We. One thing that I really liked that came out of it was, man, these Bravo viewers, we as a group are messy bitches. All of us are. And someone was videotaping Shep going off in a bar on credit.

[B]

I think it was just straight up at Bravo. It wasn't even at a bar. It was just right there.

[A]

One of those bars in Vegas.

[B]

I think he was talking to the Southern.

[C]

Yeah, it doesn't even mentality people.

[A]

Right?

[C]

It felt like Bradley was in that. But you know what's crazy? Because he was bad in 2023. Right? And so I'm like. I think people are like, okay, he's, like, learned his lesson. And then, of course, he has to close out the weekend doing something ridiculous. Right?

[B]

He always.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Like, he. What's his. Like, he hates. There's an. A ridiculous amount of hate he has for Paige, and it's like, why? Because she chose, like, Craig over you. I can't figure out why he hates her so much that you just.

[B]

You said it. Okay.

[A]

Yeah, I think that's it. And it's also hatred for Craig. He's always resented Craig since the beginning and undermined Craig. And so the fact that Craig got. I mean, he was going off on both of them, really. He was saying, if. If you guys haven't seen this video, it's basically him saying, yeah, Paige, you know, broke up with him on a podcast. Who does that? And, you know, they. It was a sham. The whole time these two were faking it, and they got millions of follow. They made millions of dollars. And how many followers did Paige get off of Craig? Craig's back? And they were just faking it this whole time to make millions of dollars. I mean, really bitter and really yelling and everyone was laughing at him. But, man, whoever had their phone, I was very proud of them because they held it very stable and they kept it hidden. My messy queen, whoever it was.

[C]

Yeah, it's like, Kara, was that you again?

[A]

I know.

[B]

My theory is that, well, Shep has always been jealous on some degree of Craig's success. But I also think that, like, Shep sees Craig as someone who fails upwards in life. And I think he sees Craig as this nice guy who kind of lies and slippery with the truth. And now he. He got to be with Paige and they got to some somehow be designated as like, America Sweethearts for like three years. And the entire time Shep is like, America Sweetheart. But, like, there's. There's problems in this relationship and like, there's inequities or whatever it is. And then Craig gets this whole glow up, which goes side by side with his Sewing down south coming up. And, you know, Shep is thinking Craig is just a figurehead. Jerry's doing all the work. And like, he, like, you can see that Shep is like, this is all like, there's more to the story than this. And I'm the one who gets to be the bad guy. And everyone loves Craig and he's like, loses his mind. And now here he is at the end of a. Probably a weekend of seeing an enormous Sewing Down South State Farm activation that was there. And Jake with State Farm is there doing sewing Down South. Sewing down South State Farm. And Shep probably just can only do so much. Also, a new Ken Burns documentary premiered last night, and he probably just was in such an emotional state that he was like, I can't even deal.

[C]

Do you find, like, similarities between Shep and then like, Lala with Ariana? Like Shep and Craig? Lala and Ariana was bodysuits? Well, no, but like the jealousy of like, Ariana and have like, kind of something similar. Like Craig and Shep kind of live similar lives. And I feel like Shep is kind of why not me? And then like, with like, Lala and Ariana, it was a little bit for Lala, like, well, why not me with like, when it happened to me with Randall?

[A]

Oh, she kept Missing every boat. That was always the running joke with Lala. You know, she wanted the wedding. She. Someone else got the wedding. She wanted the pregnancy storyline. Someone else got pregnant first. She wanted the breakup. Someone else had the big breakup, you know, so Lala's always kind of. Lala was always kind of getting stood up on her news.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But, oh, speaking of them, we saw Sandoval. We talked. I hadn't seen Sandoval in years, but we saw him and we were like, hey, I mean, I think it's been four years or something since we've seen him, right, Ben?

[B]

Yeah, four years.

[A]

It's been like four years. So we saw him and he was like, oh, hey, guys. Yeah, it's much better this time. Like, people are cool because traders, like, you know, traders gave him the redemption arc. And then he just keeps going and he's like, you should see my shows, bro. We got, like, such cool stuff now. Like, we've got these video machines, and we've got these things called ego risers, and they make you look taller. It's like, badass. So anyway, what are you guys up to? We're like, oh, we're going to the bazaar. You know, we just, like, kind of.

[B]

Of twirled away.

[A]

But it was funny. Drunk.

[B]

He was. He was.

[A]

He was.

[B]

I mean, he wasn't like, he wasn't like a disaster, but, like, he was just. He was just having a good time. His backstage and just like, he was like, oh, my God, I'm no longer people. Like me again. I'm celebrating. And he was like, dude, man. Somehow he started talking about AI. He's like, dude, if you want to make a lot of money, why don't you invent the thing that, like, can detect AI because, like, that's where, like, the money is. Maybe I'll be the one to invent it, you know?

[C]

Right?

[B]

He's like, laughing. He's like, maybe.

[A]

I told him, I said, there's an AI detector.

[C]

He's a little late. Just a little late, Tom.

[A]

But yeah, it's like, seriously, they should invent it. We were dying.

[C]

What's the drama that happened? Because they're saying that, like, Lindsay and his girlfriend got in a fight. But when I watched the clip, it looks like Tom and Victoria were fighting and Lindsay was there, like, trying to break it up, kind of siding with Victoria. Like, yeah, I'd be pissed this too. But the main thing was that Victoria is not wearing shoes in Vegas. And that's what I. Yeah, I just. That to me, I was like, no, Shoes are needed always. I don't care if you're in socks. You need a pair of shoes, even.

[B]

If it's slippers in Vegas.

[A]

Yeah, Someone just told us about that act. Who was someone last night was telling us. Yeah, they saw Sandoval and his girlfriend, and she was all dressed to the nines. And they were coming into the celebrity entrance where all the paparazzi waits and all the fans wait and they scream for everybody as they come in and all that. And so they were coming in there, and Tom tried to do a trick, like, by lifting her up and throwing her over his shoulder, and her ass came out of her dress. And so he was like, you know, twirling her. Her lady parts all over.

[C]

And then she's like one of the dolls on Traitors.

[A]

And then everyone was disgusted with her because she was barefoot. So that's what I heard. I just was like, what a Tom Sandoval story.

[C]

I mean, he was on. What was it on the traitor's panel that they were like, you know, we've been approached for, like, the Valley. Do you guys want to see on the Valley? And the whole crowd booed. And he's like, okay, that's not how I thought it was gonna go.

[B]

Although the biggest boo, as has been widely reported, and I didn't see this, but Jared Osmond, when he. When they asked him to stand up at the panel, and apparently, like, the biggest, biggest, biggest, biggest, biggest booze happened when. When he stood up, which is.

[C]

I was there.

[B]

I love when the Bravo community comes together.

[C]

Well, hold. So after. So then I was with Ryan after that panel because he wanted to get something to eat. We come back in, and Jared standing there, and we're like, we like, when will we see this person again? Next week on slc, I'm sure, but in person. So we go up to him, and he, like, he's waiting for people to. He's standing there, like, waiting for people, so. And we, like, don't tell him who we are or whatever. We're just like, oh, my God, Jared, can we get a pic? I saw you guys also got a picture with him, too. Did he tell you why he got Britney the Unicorn?

[A]

No. Money.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Build a Bear owes me some money because I've given them a lot of press.

[C]

Yeah. So he was like, well, I buy Build A Bears for my kids. And I'm like, oh, dear. Okay. And he's like. So I asked Brittany, has anybody ever gotten you a Build A Bear? And she said, no, nobody's ever. It's like, yeah, because you're 54.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, not that you can't have a build a bear, but like, you're telling me how you buy your kids build a bears and then you're so. Then you're like, well, I must get you a build bear. I'm like, yeah, okay, Jared. Like, yeah, it was just.

[A]

Well, Benny got a real gift story, right, Ben? Because we went that night, we saw them out and Brittany had just said earlier in the day she had done some panels saying, oh, yeah, we're broken up. You know, doing her. Ding, ding, ding, ding. Britney's just so enamored with herself, which is so funny. But she's like, yeah, guys, I have an announcement. Ding, ding, ding. We are finally broken up. And that's what she went with. But then that night we got a picture with them at the Four Seasons. And then Ben made a thing and spread it all around.

[C]

I made a video apparently called Justin and told Justin I'm flying to Vegas. And so he wasn't originally there. I guess they were good friends. And then he decided, I want attention. We'll get back together for the weekend.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And. And do you see her post, too? She posted like, this is just for my subscribers on her public Instagram page. That then put it on threads too. And it was like her rubbing Jared's arm and singing. I'm like, this is just like. You keep me entertained, but your life is chaotic.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, she is. Like we. We've mentioned before, like, seeing her walking around, I mean, this was definitely her moment. She was like, I sort of like looking at the tall build, like the tall ceilings and this and that. And it was just like, you know, there was part of me that was very happy for her. Like, sort of like childlike style, that static mental state, you know, where she was like, wow, it's like those movies when the farm girl goes to the city. So there's part of me that's like, you know, it's like when Bette Midler, when country Bet Midler arrives in New York City and big business, and she's like, why, look at that skyscraper? Or Britney and everything we've ever seen her in. And I just feel like she's just like. Like, I. I don't know. I was happy for her, but I was like, man, you are. You are a deluded lady. You're a real.

[C]

Definitely stunted, I believe. Like, there's.

[B]

Yeah, that's stunted.

[A]

Yeah. And that's saying something when you're talking about Bravo stars, you know, when you stand out as being stunted girl commercials.

[C]

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[A]

So another big thing that was coming out of the weekend was a fight I never saw coming. Sylva versus Madison from Southern Charm. I was shocked at this one. So apparently they were doing Madison was doing a panel and Austin had a picture of Sy over his face where, you know, she had to describe the picture that was over his forehead and he had to guess it. So what do you call that game?

[C]

It's the heads up or whatever basically. But with Bravo Labs.

[A]

Yeah. So it was Sy's face and she's like, I'll tell you, that's the meanest lady I ever met. And Austin was like, oh yeah, you mean you.

[B]

Insane?

[A]

And she said, no, it's from New York City. But she said Cy is the meanest person she's ever met. So Psy commented on this clip that was posted and it says, you must have me confused because not all brown people look alike. I never even met her before. So then Gibson Johns actually Jordy Cray.

[C]

By the way, Gibson gives him the credit later. But Jordy Cray is the one who found this photo.

[B]

And Vanita also by the way weighs in and says before we get to.

[A]

That part with gray.

[B]

But but side of Silva says you mix, you know, you not all brown people look alike. And Vanita goes, well she's just, she's just proving her point. Lol. And I'm assuming what Vanita meant by that was like, psy, you're proving that Madison is correct. Is that. Is that what Vanita meant by that?

[C]

So I think what happened was that Jordy Cray then posted a photo of them being on a panel at BravoCon two years ago together, like, sitting or watch what happens live or something. And then Madison then. Then like, tagged her in something, and then they started going off in the DMs. And then I think, was it comments by Bravo that picked up? Somebody picked up, and then that's my Bravo.

[B]

So, yeah. So the interaction that they have with comments that comments on Bravo put out there, which, by the way, love comments by Bravo so much in this sort of DM that Psy and Madison are having size. Like, listen, girl, leave me alone. I don't know you, and I don't remember sitting next to you two years ago. Madison goes, well, you remember now?

[A]

And then Cy responds, I still couldn't pick you out of a lineup. You're extremely unmemorable. Four laughing emojis.

[C]

Now, to me, I'm like, you guys are both mean girls, so that's fine. But, like, also, it's like, psy, you're not doing yourself any favors here. Like, take the L on this one and just. You could just say, oh, I just didn't remember her. Like, I don't know. I feel like she was trying to, like, make a moment of this, and it backfired in both ways.

[A]

People get very offended. There were a few people that we talked to, you know, the. The Bravo liberties who are like, well, so and so didn't even know who I was on the panel. And that bitch doesn't even know me. And this one doesn't even watch my show. Like, they get so upset that they don't know each other. There's hundreds of you, you know, and a lot of them don't watch, you know, like, Below Deck. People don't watch Housewives shows, and Housewives shows do not watch Below Deck, you know, and so there was a lot of inter. A lot of offense taken in there, and I thought that was so funny. They're just like, how dare you not know who I am?

[C]

Well, did you see Jesse Solomon Shade? Vicki Gumbelson?

[B]

What did he say?

[C]

Jesse Solomon from Summer House. So they said something about Vicki getting her orange back, because obviously that was, like, a big news item of the weekend, too, right?

[B]

And it was a surprise, but, like, she obviously had to know about it.

[C]

I mean, I thought it was a surprise. I'm so gullible.

[B]

I Was like, it was not a surprise at all.

[C]

Okay. I feel like she's probably called Andy week after week saying, I will sign that contract today. I will sign it today. I will say it today. I feel like it was. I don't think she's that good of an actress to be so surprised on stage. Like, maybe she knew it was gonna happen at some point.

[A]

Well, they have to go through contract negotiations. They're not.

[C]

Say it out loud. It makes sense. But, like, in my mind, I was like, she's so surprised, Mary. And she's like, are you kidding me? I'm like, oh.

[A]

Okay. Santa is not real, Courtney.

[C]

Well, okay, two things now that I've been told that I didn't know. Okay, But. Yeah, but Jesse, I guess, was like, who is she? Like, who is that? It's like, you were literally here because of Vicky.

[A]

Yes. How dare you. Just shut your mouth. Shut your giant mouth, Jesse. Okay. And also, everybody who ran into Jesse said, what a douche. They were like, what a douche. I didn't hear one person say, wow, Jesse was so nice. Everybody was like this.

[B]

Well, west west just posted something. Let me find it. I was like, this isn't. This isn't newsworthy. And then, of course, now I'm like, where is it? But Wes posted something that he re. He re tweeted someone who was like. Like, I don't know. Like, Wes is, like, not spending a lot of time with the fans at all. He's like, nowhere. Like, he's just, like. He's clearly in it for the celebrity. He's like, not backstage. He's not hanging out. He's not the vip. He's, like, not in it. So he re. He retweets this, and he's like, wow. Imagine spending an entire weekend with this, like, amazing crowd of people, and you're just like. With all these people just to drive, just to fly home and you read this. I'm like, okay, relaxer. No, I'm not saying. I'm not saying he's wrong, but I'm like, Like. Like, relax. Like, he. He's like, oh, poor. It's like, once again, the guys on Summer House, they love pulling the poor me card over and over again. Like, you know, you did it. Like, just.

[C]

I saw him, and I would. Because I. I saw him, and I was like, wes. And they were leaving, and he's like. They're like, no, he has to go. And I was like, oh, you know, Courtney. Blah, blah. And he's like, oh, my God. And he was so Nice. And, like, hu. Like, how are you? Let's take a photo. Like, he was so kind. So I just feel like it's such a bummer. Maybe I just was, like, lucky to get such good interactions with people, but I just feel bad when it is, like, wow, you had, like, one. One bad interaction that, like, changes the whole trajectory of how somebody's gonna view you, because they did. They didn't see you out there. Yeah. So I get. I don't.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Why am I defending them? I don't know. Maybe I'm just.

[B]

No, you don't have to. I wasn't saying that he. I wasn't saying, like, yeah, he was being too cool for school at all. I just thought it was so funny that he was pulling the. The move on Twitter. I was like, come on, you're a celebrity. Don't pull that move. One thing that I loved, by the way, one of my favorite features of. Of the con is that there's, like, this vi. There's, like, this. There's a VIP lounge, and that's different from the backstage area, but there's a VIP lounge where if you have a VIP thing, bracelet, you can go into it. And if you stand outside of that. But the entrance, there was some weird thing where, like, out of nowhere, a Bravo Liberty would materialize with, like, three handlers, and they would whisk them down the hall to the stage they had to go to. It's like. And you never knew where they appeared from. You just would, like, turn around and, like, there was Camille grammar, and then she would just sort of float by quickly. And, like, they wouldn't. They weren't able to stop and talk to people because they had to go to their panels. But it was like, every five minutes, like, one would pop up and then float by. And it was so quick and surreal that you're like, like, wait, did that.

[C]

Just, like, did that just happen, you know? Yeah.

[B]

And then, like, Jake from State Farm. Jake's from State Farm was everywhere. Everywhere.

[A]

They made that guy work his ass off. Jake from State.

[C]

His name is Kevin. I found out.

[A]

Oh, really?

[C]

It's not even Jake. Like, what?

[A]

Yeah, someone Court Ordered Creations is talking about this. And I heard this a lot this weekend too. People were upset because the last BravoCon, they got to meet a lot of the celebrities. Cause if you go into that VIP lounge, you know, some of them would come out, and people would get to talk to them and have a drink with them and stuff. And this time, they were all hidden pretty much. So people felt like, they paid for that experience and didn't get to talk to them. But I'm wondering if that's just because it got so out of hand, because the last time I was. I was there because Patricia. The only reason I went last time is because Patricia from Southern Charm was like, I need an escort, because the person who was gonna go with me isn't gonna go, and I just need someone to kind of walk me around a couple times or whatever. So I was like, of course. You know, So I went with her. And being with her, I saw. I mean, she was sitting on a couch, and Adrianna was on the other couch. So I was talking to Adriana, and someone else was talking to her. When I tell you. And they had security guards surrounding them. When I tell you, people crawled over those couches. They were crawling over them. They were like, wait. They were. They would, like, try to distract the security guard and then get around him. I'm like, well, what are you gonna do, jumper? Are you gonna jump on Patricia? Like, what do you think is gonna happen? So I don't know if that's why, like, they were keeping them more sequestered, but, yeah, people were complaining about that a lot.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

It's also hard. The. The logistics of that space are really difficult. Like, just getting there and getting. And there was this rainstorm. I didn't. I didn't know it could rain in Vegas. And that Saturday, we didn't even bother going down to the con because there's so. It's so hard to get in and out of there. Like, you think that when they built that convention center that they would make some sort of consideration for, like, how people would arrive to it. And it's, like, impossible and so gridlocked. It's. It's crazy. That's definitely one of my takeaways is, like, dealing with the logistics of that place, because it was wild also, you know, it was. You know, was. The most stressful part of the weekend for me were the bracelets that they gave us, because they don't. They're not these, like, plastic ones that you get, like, at a music fair. You know, it's like they're these. They're like ribbons, and they have a little plastic thing, and if you can tighten them, but you can't loosen them, and, like, once you tighten it, there's no going back. And, like, I initially tightened it, like, I.

[C]

Like.

[B]

And then I was like, oh, I can't untighten it. And I was like, to me, all weekend and this morning, I Finally was able to find someone with scissors. Like, get this thing off of me, please.

[A]

Look at mine. I still have is.

[C]

You're still on.

[A]

I tried taking mine off last night at dinner with the steak knife. Do you see? It's all right.

[B]

It's so scary.

[A]

I've looked ridiculous and janky all day, but I didn't get it. And then I came home and I was so tired, I didn't even bother cutting it. I just slept with it. But this Vicky thing, just going back to this Vicki thing really quick. You've got a show that just had a huge scandal with somebody getting caught with all these transphobic, homophobic, and basically horrible rape. I don't know. I'm sure we'll go into it again on the recap. And then you bring back Vicki Gunvalson. Are you paying attention? Who is running? Who is driving the car?

[C]

I mean, I know. I feel very like after she said, like, Heather doesn't fit into the cast because she. She's too liberal because she's, like, an ally to the LGBTQIA community, I'm like, okay, now I don't really want you back. But then also, if I'm like, okay, if I'm going to look at you as a character, because that's what I have to do to, like, try to separate the art from the artist, if you will. Vicki has to come back in some capacity for the 20th season, and I think it should just be hosting a party in her backyard in the grotto, where someone gives her an award for being the OG of the OC and then she falls down those stairs again, like, yes. And then scene cut. That's it.

[A]

But, yeah, I mean, why would you bring back such a bigoted monster? I mean, the woman. The woman is a nutcase, and she's a terrible human being. I can't believe they're bringing her back for the show's in enough trouble. You guys need to do some fixing. And now they're out on the red carpet and Gretchen's out there like, yeah, everybody knew those tweets were a lie, because people who knows me know that I'm the biggest supporter of gay and lesbian people. And listen, I had the first drag queen ever on a housewife show. Listen, we are not your freaking monkeys and pinatas at a child's birthday party. Like, bringing a child. Bringing a drag queen to a birthday party does not mean. Yeah, pro gay rights, you fucking nutcase. I can't believe people are falling for her.

[C]

You get a pass for 20 years now because you had that 2009. So it's coming up on the renewal.

[A]

How was she not booed off of the Bravo con stage? I can't believe she was there. And everybody's like, fine with whitewashing all of this, but whatever. Have fun, Vicki. I'm going to have fun with you. Back. Back.

[B]

Yeah, speaking. Speaking. Speaking of Orange County, Shane Simpson. Did you talk about this, how Shane Simpson came right up to us. Shane Simpson walked right up to us. Walked right up to us. And he put out his arm, his hand. He goes, hey, guys, I just have to say, you guys are so funny. What you guys say, you guys are so good. I was like, oh. Because I was like, I was trying to Avoidance list. Emily and Gina. I was avoiding only because I was just on Gibson's podcast and I had done my. My new. My new shtick right now is to say, hey, it's been seven or eight years, and Emily and Gina have not had a single memorable iconic gifable moment. And this is an issue. And I've said it on Crappets before, but I said it on Gibson's and he made a clip of it. It's been going around. And so I was like, oh, God. I basically am saying, like, they should be fired. And, like, who wants. Like, I don't. Like, this is people's employment. And now, like, I don't want to have to come face to face with someone and be like, oh, my God. I said, you should be fired from your job.

[A]

Well, we say. I mean, the last recap was like, screw these people. I hate them. Get rid of them. These bigoted idiots. I know that, Emily. Fuck Gina. Far them. And so he goes, hey, Emily, come over here. And Emily standing there, she's like, hey. She goes, oh, God, should I hit you? Should I slap you? And I was like, I wouldn't blame.

[B]

You if you did. Did.

[A]

And she's like, well, I mean, I get it. I mean, I've. I've listened to it. I mean, I got it. Whatever. You don't like me, fine. And I was like, well, you know, we just comment on the show, but nothing personal. You know, she was actually cool.

[B]

Shane was. Shane was like a fan. He's like, you guys are so funny. You guys are just so funny. Like, just keep. Like, I'm so impressed with you guys. He was actually so effusive, and he was like, great job, you guys. I'm so impressed with what. The work that you guys do. That is so good. And I was like, this is not what I Was expecting at all. At all.

[A]

But that was. Most of our interactions this weekend was like, okay, I've heard it. No, you hate me. But fun stuff, you know, don't listen, don't listen, don't listen. It's not for you. And that's. We can't just come back and be like, oh, we met, you know, Emily at a buffet, so we have to be nice now, you know, I was like, oh, God, this is going to.

[C]

Is that where you really met her, Ronnie?

[A]

Literally at a buffet?

[B]

Yeah, we were. No, we were at the buffet. The backstage buffet. No, no, we were there being mean. To be fair, it was more of like a salad bar. So we were walking there, and they came up, and I also. I want to. Claire, I want to clarify one thing briefly, something I said on Kiki and Dorinda's show, which is I was talking about how Abe the babe called me a. And I was like, yeah, well, I mean, like, I'm like, I'm lose sleep if he calls me a. I kind of feel like what I didn't really express properly was that, like, it was a totally, like, funny interaction and that. It was like he busted my balls. And like, we. It was like a bro. Like, it was like he. He sort of got it out. There's a little bit. He's busting my ball, but sort of getting something out. But, like, it was like. It was fine. And it was, like, ended with laughter, and it was like a good interaction. And he's like, I get.

[A]

What else are you gonna say to us?

[C]

Us.

[A]

You know, what else are you going to say to us? I.

[B]

No, because people were.

[A]

Because. No, but I'm saying.

[B]

Because people were. Were saying, like, they called, like, Abe called Ben a. And I want to be like, whoa. It wasn't. It wasn't, like, deep like that, you know?

[A]

No. Well, I went up the camera, too, and said. I was like, hey. And she was like, hey. You know, and then was. But you got to give them at least one to get out of their system. But that was a really. Go ahead.

[B]

No, I was gonna say about Tamra. Is that. What's so funny? Is that her. Her makeup girl was like, I listen to every single one of your episodes. You guys are so funny. I love when you guys do Tamara's voice. And so, like, she, like, someone really close in Tamara's orbit knows every single shitty thing we say about her. But, like, Tamara's like, whatever. She loves being.

[C]

No, she's got eyes on everyone that Tamara judge. Eyes on everyone. She Knows what's happening all, all at all times. Like, every account, every podcast, like, we were blocked. She's unblocked us now. I was afraid I was going to run into her at BravoCon. I didn't. She was. That was one. I was like, oh, God, I'm a little scared about that one.

[A]

Yeah, she.

[C]

She frightens me. Because then I also am like, would I, like, actually like her, though? Like, when you meet everybody, they're just. They really are so lovely and so, like, I feel like when you're talking to them, you're like, okay, now I'm like, I just want you to know my opinion of you on the show is not going to change. Change. Like, how you act on the show. I'm still going to be discussing, but you're a very lovely human being. And thank you for the nice conversation.

[A]

Well, I've always said the ones that I'm meanest to are probably the ones I would get along best with in real life. Like, Kyle makes me crazy on Beverly Hills. She's always made me crazy. She triggers me. There's something she does every year that just. And every year I start fresh. But it's like, that's my biggest one that makes me. She just makes me nice. But I'd probably get along with her great. It's just there. It's like they're throwing your family under the bus. It's everything all the time with her. It's a fakery of, like, queer baiting for two years. I mean, it's just the whole thing. But I'd probably get along with her great. She seems like a really fun girl. And Tamara seems like a really fun girl. She's made me crazy for years, too. So who knows? You know, I talked to the guys from Southern Charm, the guys from Southern Charm on that show. I rip them to shreds. They make me nuts. And I think they're great in real life. They're all really nice in real life. Well, I don't know, Shep, but Austin and Craig are really nice in real life.

[B]

I, I had a, I had a really fun conversation with Janet. I, I, I, I, I went up to her, and I was like, I really enjoy you as a, as, like a very plain villain. And she's like, thank you so much. I really appreciate that. I really enjoyed being just like, a basic villain, but that's funny. Ronnie. Nick says, did you guys get to meet any of the McBee boys?

[A]

Oh, my God. How did I not talk about that? Okay, so we were at a party. We're not supposed to talk. Well, nothing really. But I saw them.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Ukalina came up to us and was. Go ahead.

[B]

No, I was just gonna explain everyone. It was supposed to be a like an off the record party. So it's like everything is like sphere of safety. But this, I'll say. But this was not a gossipy moment. This is just like, oh, we saw something.

[A]

Yeah, no, it wasn't gossipy. So Galena came right up to us and you know, I love Galena. I love Galena. And she looked beautiful. She was in like a full Russian beauty queen glitter dress, you know. So I talked to her a little while and I saw the boys because they're not very subtle. I mean, the boys, they were in these colored suits. You know, they all had a different colored suit on. And then they wore big, wide brimmed cowboy hats. Really nice cowboy hats. And they weren't really. The Bravo people ignored them. Like the other people on Bravo just didn't really pay attention to them. They stood at one table kind of towards the front door the whole time. And no one really talked to them. And that I saw because, you know, I watched them the whole night. Cause I love Jesse McBee. And so bitch Sesh was there, Danielle and Casey, who are really lovely ladies. So Casey was like, oh, my God, the McBee boys. I'm a Stan. I was like, we're the only Stans here. Let's go get him. So we went over there and like an idiot, I said, casey, you do it with your phone. Cause I didn't want people to be juggling phones. And I still need to get that picture from her. I should have made her do it with my phone. But we got a picture with Jesse McBee.

[C]

He's so cute.

[A]

Someone literally so cute.

[B]

Someone told me maybe it was you, Courtney. Someone over the course of the weekend said that there was some sort of like some. Some event where they said that when the McBees walked in, they got like the loudest ovation out of everyone. Like, it was. There was something where the charts. Yeah, it was awesome. And I was like, at BravoCon, there was something where they walked into something. I don't know if it was the panel or if it was like a Bravo Palooza, a fan thing. They walked into something and they got the biggest cheers out of everyone. And I just went, no, that means 10 years of McBee. Oh my God. McBee dynasty is with us for 10 years now. And we're gonna get spin offs and we're gonna see what that twit is doing down in Texas with her friends. I don't remember her name.

[C]

Well, he's got a new girlfriend now, so she's gone. And the new girlfriend looks exactly like her. Steve's got a new girlfriend, so don't worry. I don't think we'll be going to Dallas. I. I mean, the amount of hate you have for the show is. I'm, like, obsessed with it. Because the fact that you still will watch every episode and do a read.

[B]

I would probably start to like it. My trajectory is a lot of times when I hate something very passionately, I somehow start to love it. And I like, I. I hate that that might happen with me with McBees. And what I've always said is, it's not that it's about farmers. It's just that it's like. I think it's just like a really shitty, like a, like, poorly produced show. It's me. It's like a E. Drivel. And I just think that, like, if Bravo could, like, make it, like, nice. Make it nice, then I could probably get into it. But, like, right now I'm like, I have to. I have to keep my high. My high Bravo standards, okay? Because as goes Bravo, so goes the rest of this country. And, like, the Bravo is the last thing standing, I think, between us and a civilized nation. And so we need to preserve it. Okay? We need to have the Bravo standards have to apply to every show. No exceptions.

[C]

They need truly original over there. Whoever does Salt Lake City, get on the McBees too, please.

[B]

Yeah, please do that.

[A]

All right, so. God, this has been an hour. Usually we stop this to talk, but we've gone to chat with people here on the. The waiting room or whatever. But we have chatted so long. Thank you so much for coming to talk to us. We love you, Courtney.

[C]

I could talk for hours. So thanks for cutting me off.

[B]

It's amazing. Yeah.

[C]

Such a fun weekend. Thanks for having me out. You guys never stop working. Are you like the hardest working guys in Bravo?

[A]

No, I think Ryan. Ryan Bailey is probably the hardest working. Did you see that guy who was all.

[C]

He drove home last night?

[A]

Pellegrino, too, Danny. Paul Pellegrino did like, five panels all over. Yeah, I think seven.

[C]

Everybody was fantastic. But Ryan drove home last night from Vegas to be on Jeff Lewis this morning.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. I was like, Jeff Lewis had a really controversial week, too, at the weekend. Oh, my gosh. He got in trouble left and right over.

[C]

Viewers will not see what happened because they cut that from his panel. We watched it the other day. He made a comment about SNAP benefits with Monica Garcia, and I said something like.

[A]

Didn't. Didn't what? Whatever. With that girl. Didn't she get her snap benefits cut off? Yeah.

[C]

And I watched that panel, and, like, I like Jeff Lewis for being snarky. See, look at me. I'm gonna talk about it, but, like, I like him being snarky, but I felt like he was just being mean. It was like, a little. Just too much. And now it seems like he's also kind of like, like, blaming Andy for it, which is crazy because, like, you have this show that's going to be coming on Bravo, and instead of, like, apologizing, being like, look, I shouldn't have said that. Whatever. He's, like, doubling down on it. Just.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

So Las Vegas, you know, you got to double down.

[C]

So he really did.

[B]

Yeah, we all. Yeah, now we all know this show's coming back, though.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, I don't. I don't feel like he was supposed to announce that either.

[A]

Oh, announcement.

[C]

I didn't. I didn't pers. Like, I mean, Andy confirmed it when Jeff said it, but I didn't see anything. Like, we got Rhode Island. We got a trailer. We got a post about that. I don't recall seeing anything about Jeff's show. So correct me if I'm wrong, anybody in the chat, but I don't remember seeing anything about it after that was confirmed.

[B]

That's wild.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Trouble.

[A]

Yeah. John Fluis got in trouble. Shocker.

[B]

Wait, can we give us. Can we give a shout out also to Margaret Jose Joseph's, because Margaret Joseph's held, I think, the best party of the weekend. Like, her party was great. She had a great party on Thursday night. She had a giant bowl of caviar. She had a photo booth. She had booze. I mean, of course, the best party beyond the watch of Crappin's party that we threw.

[C]

I know you have even. I feel like you guys need to have, like, a minute or two where you just talk about that.

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Well, that was great. I mean, that was just an. It was a lovely time. Like, everyone. Like, we thought we were gonna get 100 people, and it was just jam packed. And we. We estimated like over 300 people. But I mean, who knows? But it was. It was just so fun. Everyone came in and there was ice cream. Jenny's ice cream. Shout out, Jenny. Ice. Jenny's ice cream for hooking us up with all that free ice cream. They were so great to do that and beer park accommodated everyone. That was amazing. That was really, really great. And because there's nothing to do after, after the final, like nighttime, you know, taping happens, there's nothing to do for people. So we were like, let's have a party and like let's have people come over. So it was awesome that so many people showed up. Thank you to everyone who came by. We know it was like rainy and humid and it was probably super annoying for some people to make that schlep. But we really appreciate you coming to that. But also shout out all of us to her.

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Yeah, we appreciate that and you guys all coming to that and coming here to talk to us and Courtney, you being our friend, hanging out with us and talking to us here. Thank you so much. Follow two judgy girls. I'm sure you guys already all are check out their podcast and we will be back next time. Next time we'll do an extra long Q and A session with you guys to make up for what we missed tonight. But we sure love you guys. We'll talk to you soon. Bye.

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