#3079 RHOP S10E07: Ain’t No T’Challa Back, Girl!

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens — Episode #3079

RHOP S10E07: "Ain’t No T’Challa Back, Girl!"

Release Date: November 18, 2025
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

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Main Theme

Ben and Ronnie deliver their signature, irreverent recap of The Real Housewives of Potomac, Season 10, Episode 7. With the aftermath of BravoCon still in the air, they dive into Monique’s return, bird memorials, skincare trends, housewife feuds, copycat cannabis brands, chaotic parties, questionable charity ventures, and drag king hilarity—all through a lens of affectionate mockery and pop culture savvy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. BravoCon Wrap-Up and Thanks

• The hosts express gratitude to their fans and Bravo/NBC for a great experience at BravoCon, highlighting the sense of community and fun.
• Quote (03:11):
  Ben: “It was so big and full of love, and that's really how all the weekend was. So thank you. Thank you to everyone who showed up.”

2. Monique’s Return & The Saga of T’Challa

• Monique Samuels returns to RHOP, and the guys delight in both her looks and her chaotic animal stories.
• They roast the “freak accident” loss of her bird T’Challa (ceiling fan incident), questioning household choices and laughing at the tragic, meme-worthy moment.
• Quote (10:28):
  Ronnie: “Monique called it a freak accident, but I don't think leaving a ceiling fan on when you have a bird is a freak accident. I think that's what happened. Bad parenting.”
• RIP T’Challa becomes both a running gag and a toast to one of Bravo’s most viral pets.
• Quote (11:45):
  Ben: “T’Challa just wants to go. Go over and love on something. And unfortunately, that included a ceiling fan. So. RIP T’Challa.”

3. Shady Skin Care Trends

• The hosts riff on salmon sperm facials, exploring both the science and the comedic potential of the latest “luxury” skincare, skewering the absurdity of beauty trends.
• Quote (04:45):
  Ronnie: “Have we just not tried other kinds of sperm? Like I'm worried about all the other animals out there who are just being jerked off by random people... Can we just leave the animals alone?”

4. The Copycat Cannabis Battle (Wendy vs. Stacy)

• The hosts break down the tit-for-tat between Wendy and new cast member Stacy over competing cannabis (happy-themed) brands—Shayo vs. Happy Eddie.
• Ben and Ronnie note Stacy’s trolling manner and snark at how low-effort some product launches are (“slapping a label on it,” 27:00).
• Quote (28:08):
  Ronnie: “So she asks how... the producers ask her how Wendy's gonna feel about this, and she's like, well, the name of my brand isn't Happy Stacy. I'm not trying to infringe on their brand. It has nothing to do with Wendy or Eddie. Just being happy. I just took the happy part.”

5. Housewife Houses & Upgrades

• Angel wants to get her Potomac house in Architectural Digest, inspired by her Colorado feature.
• The hosts cynically assess how reality stars use home renovations for storyline mileage.

6. Family Feuds and Generational Trauma

• Wendy shares pain over her father’s lack of birthday acknowledgement—drawing empathy for her complicated family dynamic.
• Quote (25:18):
  Ben: “Yeah, which is pretty fucked up, I have to say.”

7. Angel’s Catfish FaceGate

• Angel and her sister rehash Giselle’s “catfish” accusation, diving deep into realness vs. filters on social media.
• The hosts roast Angel’s inability to cop to using dramatic filters, pointing out her thin-skinned response and ongoing victim narrative.
• Quote (34:09):
  Ronnie: “It's like, wow, you just called Wendy Forest Whitaker eyes. That was a lot worse than calling you a catfish.”
• Quote (35:12):
  Ben: “You talk a big game behind all their backs. Like, this is what you should have been saying. This is what you should have clapped back with right away.”

8. Teen Parties Gone Wild

• Chaos at Lexi’s birthday: TikTok leaks the address, police are called, kids are drunk and vomiting, and parents lose control.
• Ben and Ronnie both horrified and amused at ultimate “cool-parent” disaster.
• Quote (41:08):
  Ronnie: “One of them was like, someone threw up next to my bed. Oh, no. Did they really, Alexis? Someone threw up. And she's like, I don't know. I was downstairs, and I said it was red. It was red. Gosh, this is why I'm not having kids.”

9. Giselle’s Real Life Legal Drama

• Giselle reveals her fight over her late father’s will, accusing her stepmom of fraud.
• The hosts back Giselle, noting this is common and salting her stepmother as a “monster.”
• Quote (41:58):
  Ben: “This monster of a woman, she needs to be sent to Shut up. Shut up mountain and get nothing from that will.”

10. Relationship Rebranding: Greg & Kiana 2.0

• Greg and Kiana’s scenes are full of forced positivity and self-help rhetoric after being dragged by viewers for their toxic dynamic in previous seasons.
• Quote (43:28):
  Ronnie: “He's really trying to be fun. Fun times, Greg, this season. It's hilarious.”
  Ben: “…in some ways, I mean, that's good, right?... you have to act better, so people don’t give you so much. It does feel insincere. But at the same time, you’re still going to act better, right? …So I’m just saying that we’re kind of like heroes, us audience members.”

11. Wedding Hit-and-Run & Pride Priorities

• Several cast members plan a flash appearance at Jassy’s Dallas “WAG” wedding, only to leave early for World Pride in DC.
• Ben and Ronnie rake the show for this artificial, storyline-driven cross-country trip, and bemoan Ashley’s never-ending attempts at musical performance.
• Quote (31:06):
  Ben: “I just think it's the craziest thing that you're going to only go to a wedding for two hours and ditch it for some lame Ashley Darby party.”

12. World Pride and the Mystery of GNA

• The hosts lampoon the GNA “charity” (Ashley & Giselle’s apparel line?), noting its undefined mission, missing website, and overall confusion.
• Quote (50:23):
  Ronnie: “Why are you. There's only seven posts. The last post was from 87 weeks ago and it's Ashley in a T shirt and leggings leaning back on a tiny little hotel chair.”

13. Drag King Party & The Return of Monique

• Ashley throws a Drag King bash, giving everyone punny alter-egos (“Proper Puss Popper”, “Lick Her Hosen”, “Serving Jizz”).
• Ben and Ronnie roast the lack of creativity in these names and beg for actual drag queens to intervene.
• Monique makes her entrance, leading Giselle to contemplate weaponizing Monique for her own allyship.
• Quote (61:26):
  Ronnie: “She's the come inject her... I was like, wow, that's even worse than mine.”

14. Stirring the Pot: The Chris Samuels Dating Rumor

• Kiana tries to light a fuse by telling Monique about Stacy’s alleged dates with her ex, Chris Samuels.
• The hosts mock the attempt, predicting a to-be-continued that will almost certainly amount to nothing.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “Put it in my veins.” — Ronnie (02:32), capturing the enthusiasm for Real Housewives of Potomac’s return.
• “Things can't be glamorous without being a little mean. Let's be honest.” — Ben (09:52)
• “You know, she's like, yeah, I just love her. And our friendship has just continued to grow. We've gone through very similar circumstances. And I like that Monique still says similar, similar. Like it's all fake. It's all being simulated.” — Ronnie (13:54)
• On candidly calling out the lack of a genuine GNA business:
  “Can we have some custom made DNA product first before the custom made GNA float? Custom made mission statement? A custom made business plan, Something like that? Before we dress up a pickup truck?” — Ben (49:48)
• On Ashley’s Drag King Names:
  “You need drag queens to help you with your drag king names… just ask for help from your sisters, the drag queens, because they come up with good names, you know?” — Ronnie (59:50)
• Monique’s impact:
  “Giselle has to start the narrative that this Monique is the real Monique. And therefore, Giselle is not being fake. By being friends with her, she's actually being more authentic… she's just laying the groundwork…” — Ben (63:18)

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Key Timestamps for Major Segments

• 03:37 – BravoCon reflections and thank-yous
• 04:37 – Salmon sperm facials, animal skincare tangent
• 09:06 – Monique’s new home and return to RHOP
• 10:28 – T’Challa memorial/ceiling fan incident
• 18:06 – Revisiting The Fight and Bravo audience polarization
• 22:30 – Wendy’s home renovation and “Bring Out Eddie” merch
• 34:09 – Angel’s Catfish Face scandal dissected
• 39:06 – TikTok Party Chaos: lexie’s house gets overrun
• 41:26 – Giselle's legal battle over her father’s will
• 43:28 – Greg & Kiana’s New Attitude (forced positivity)
• 50:02 – GNA: the mystery business lambasted
• 58:08 – Drag King Party and parade of pun names
• 61:36 – Monique’s grand return at Ashley’s party, setting up new drama

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Overall Tone

Ben and Ronnie maintain their hilarious, openly catty style throughout—full of Bravo-lore, affectionate jabs, and pop culture tangents. Their tongue-in-cheek mockery comes from a place of fandom, with sharp observations about Housewives reality, production fakery, and modern influencer culture.

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Takeaway

This episode serves Bravo diehards a hearty portion of shade, inside jokes, and cultural commentary. Between Monique’s tragicomic animal saga, Housewife entrepreneurial spats, and the group’s never-ending cycle of petty drama, Ben and Ronnie prove that loving, eviscerating, and laughing at Bravo is very much the point.

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[Ben Mandelker]

What crap Happens. Watch what happens Watch what crap is who cares what happens when there's so much CR happens? Hello and welcome to Watch what Crap Ends, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today, our first full on recap since BravoCon. It's the one and only Ronnie Caram. Hi Ronnie, how are you? Are you alive?

[Ronnie Caram]

Hello buddy. Good morning. Doing good. Glad to be back.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Potomac.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Ronnie Caram]

Put it in my veins.

[Ben Mandelker]

Atomic. Yeah, Put it in our veins. I don't know if I'm back I think this may just be an AI simulation of the Ben Mandel experience, because as far as I can tell, I, I, I don't even know. I, I, I am, I'm a combination of dead and elated from BravoCon. My first BravoCon. We had such a fun time. We really just have to say, first and foremost, thank you to everyone who came out to our panel on Sunday afternoon. It was the last one of the con, so we really appreciate you staying to the bitter end. And obviously thank you to everyone at NBC and Bravo for setting that up for us. They, you know, they treated us so nicely. And also, I also want to thank, you know, our friends at beer park and Jenny's who hooked us up with an awesome party on Saturday night. And to everyone who showed up to that. That was amazing. It was so, it was so big and full of love and, and that's really how all the weekend was. So thank you. Thank you to everyone who showed up to that, the panel, to the party, and to anything else. We really, really. Everyone who just stopped us to say hello. I know this sounds like an Oscar speech, but this, congratulations.

[Ronnie Caram]

Congratulations on winning.

[Ben Mandelker]

You deserve it. You've worked real hard, buddy.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, everybody. Yeah, seriously, thank you. If you want to hear what we did and what, what it was like, we did a crappy hour episode last night about it, so go check it out. Should be out now. All right, let's get into some Real Housewives of Potomac. Season 10, episode 10, episode 7 guess who's back. Guess who's back.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's right. At long last, it's Monique Samuels, her big triumphant return. We saw Monique Samuel sitting by a bar over the weekend. She's so pretty. So pretty. That's all I have to say. But we didn't actually talk to her, though, so that's as far as that goes. That's the end of the story. Cool story, guys. Yeah, she's right.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's going in the autobiography.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she is.

[Ronnie Caram]

Chapter seven, I saw Monique at a bar. Chapter eight.

[Ben Mandelker]

Chapter eight. Then we saw Stacey.

[Ronnie Caram]

I didn't walk in.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she was pretty, too, but we didn't get to talk to her because she was across the way.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Kieran is getting a salmon sperm facial, which is nice. You know, people are really, really into these salmon sperm facials.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Does all sperm work like that? Why is it only salmon sperm? What's wrong with. I know what's wrong with. I mean, human sperm obviously doesn't work like that, but I don't know. Have we just not tried Other kinds of sperm. Like I'm worried about all the other animals out there who are just being jerked off by random people getting crow's feet because they want better skin. Can we just leave the animals alone? Stop assaulting the animals. So you cannot have crow's feet, okay? Let the salmon come on his own. Are you like down there showing salmon sperm to people just trying them to get jerk off material to get your crow's feet gone? Let's leave the salmon alone.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, maybe the salmon sperm is just more accessible because we're already doing so many things with salmon. We're already cooking it, smoking it, getting salmon roe. I mean if we're already in there getting salmon roe, maybe there's some sperm that's around that's nearby. So since we're already like up in salmon's business, they're like, we've got all this sperm left over. It's a byproduct of this process. We, why don't we turn it into some, you know, it's easier than harvesting, you know, starfish sperm for instance, because people are already. There's no starfish industry that's already popping right?

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't know that also great for your skin anyway. You're like, why is my skin turning so hard? It's like the alligator disease. I think it's been probably good for the salmon like onlyfans community because there's just, you know, they've got to keep salmon turned on all the fucking time now, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like what gets them off? Do they like watch tuna tie up?

[Ben Mandelker]

They probably like are into bears. They're like, it's some up like masochistic thing. It's like, I know they want to eat us, but at the same time I'm so sexually attracted.

[Ronnie Caram]

So anyway, we opened this with Karena getting spooged on by some salmon. So God knows what she was even talking about. And so then we go over to angel and she is talking about how she got a full article in 5280 home was that of our Colorado home and she wants to do it again.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. She, she basically their house got featured in the magazine and I'm surprised she did not use this opportunity to explain why she was sad about it. But she, but she was actually happy for once. And they, they revamped it so they, she basically is like, I want to do what we do with that house in Colorado. Let's do it with this house in Potomac. Let's get this house into Architectural Digest or whatever. And Bobby's like, oh, okay, sure, fine. And then we go to Tia, and Tia's like, okay, girls, let's call Nana before she falls asleep, okay? Oh, we're calling Nana Yatindi. Okay. Hello.

[Ronnie Caram]

Hello, brother. How are you?

[Ben Mandelker]

What are you.

[Ronnie Caram]

Looks like you're having a cocktail by the poolside. Oh, mother, that's how royalty is. So she reminds us that she's part of the royal family in Nigeria. And years ago, there was a social magazine and I was featured in it, linked to a salmon. And I think there was a picture. And I had a cigarette. And that's how my mom found out I was smoking. I was just going through things and she told me that wasn't a nice salmon. And then it turns out he paying is getting paid lots of money to sperm all over people's faces. So take that, mother.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love when she was saying this. She goes, you know, because I was going, my parents are divorced, trauma. And she put her, like, hand on her forehead to be like, isn't it so stupid when children have trauma? She's like, you know, I was being dramatic with trauma, smoking cigarettes, doing the stupid things that children do.

[Ronnie Caram]

So she's sending her daughter a present, and the granddaughter's like, where's my present? Mom always talks about you. And they just all laugh because, you know, at a certain point you just realize, realize talking about your mother is like what you're supposed to do. It's your right. It's your right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's a right. You're right and you're privilege. So, yeah, there's this gift coming, and the daughter is upset. She's like, I want a surprise. I want a surprise. And she's like, you know what, Grandma, Nana, mom literally talks crap about you all the time. And she don't know. No, no, no, I don't. I don't talk a crap about you. Silence. Silence. You be quiet. So disruptive.

[Ronnie Caram]

So then we go over to Ashley and Monique and we get to see Monique's new home. And they do it in, like, those glamorous shots. But listen, we've watched this show. I missed the old home. Where's the old home? I mean, I think if any divorce is traumatizing to a child, this divorce is traumatizing to me. Like, where's Monique's? At home. Get me Monique Salt at home. Why is no one affected by how this is hurting me?

[Ben Mandelker]

What about where didn't she have, like, a giant fish tank in her kitchen? Wasn't that like one of the things from the old home? Yeah, Yeah, I missed that.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know, like putting. Putting fish in an area where you're going to kill them. It's like, hey, just watch us slaughter all your family members, you know? It was mean and it was glamorous.

[Ben Mandelker]

That is actually hilarious. It was mean and it was glamorous. Things can't be glamorous without being a little mean. Let's be honest.

[Ronnie Caram]

Not on Bravo, baby. Yeah. So they try to make us believe that they are still fast friends, but they're obviously not because they have no idea what's happened since the last episode they shot together. So they're catching up and telling us how. How friendly they are. And now Monique has a new puppy named Mino, and she's also got a new bird. Okay. Because things didn't work out great with t', Challa, unfortunately. Port't'.

[Ben Mandelker]

Chala.

[Ronnie Caram]

Monique called it a freak accident, but I don't think leaving a ceiling fan on when you have a bird is a freak accident. I think that's what happened. Bad parenting. Yeah, I think that's what happened. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

T' Challa flew into the ceiling fan.

[Ronnie Caram]

I think so.

[Ben Mandelker]

I feel like I'm just gonna say I could be wrong, and I'm sure bird owners could correct me, but it seems like having a ceiling fan at all in a bird household is not wise. It's just. It's just, like, not the. It's just not the smartest combination of objects and pets, you know?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't think that's what I'm gonna aspire for.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

In my planning.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. It's like. It's like having kids and then being like, wow, look, it's a. It's a swimming pool, but don't go in it. It's acid. You know, they're gonna want to see what's in there, you know, like, a bird's gonna want to land on the ceiling fan and judge everybody from above. It's only natural.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

I think that's what happened. I remember her losing the bird and then searching for the bird and putting all over Instagram, like, looking for the bird. Anybody seen the bird? And then I think she found the bird. Right, Right. And then I think she was like, oh, yeah, let's cuddle. It's hot in here. And, you know, you saw how it ended. So anyway, Monique looks a very friendly bird.

[Ben Mandelker]

We will always remember the way t' Challa went up to Wendy. Like, that clip, by the way, is still so funny. It is. I remember. That's one of the funniest clips that Ever happened on Bravo. And I remember when it happened, I watched it, like, 10 times back. And it gets funnier the more you watch it. And. And when they showed it again, I just was like, I, like, crack up every single time. T' Challa just wants to go. Go over and love on something. And unfortunately, that included a ceiling fan, so. RIP t'.

[Ronnie Caram]

Challa. Bless that bird. So Ashley is telling us, I met Monique nine years ago, and it was love at first sight because we're very similar, you know, in our marriages and how we approach life. And I thought, how similar were you? I mean, I guess you were married to rich guys who could be in, you know, fantasy films. Like, she was. Ashley was married to Gollum, and Monique was married to, like, you know, the giant from Jack and the Beanstalk. But, yeah, otherwise I couldn't find many similarities.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't see many similarities between Michael Darby and Chris Samuels. Like, I really. I mean, it really is. There's. There's actually. I would say that there's almost no similarities whatsoever. Except that they both were wealthy.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, they were both searching for boys who had stolen their things. Like, God was searching for his ring, and the giant was searching for his golden goose or as beans or. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Something or another, but.

[Ronnie Caram]

And I feel like the giant and Gollum probably both got divorced at some point, too. So everybody has something in common today.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm pretty sure Gollum got divorced. I'm pretty sure at some point his wife was like, you know, you used to be a hobbit, but somehow you've turned into this strange creature ever since you got that ring. He's like, my precious. I know you're not calling me your precious, and that's really offensive.

[Ronnie Caram]

So they insist that they're like, besties, and they've known each other for, like, nine years. Okay. And Monique agrees. She's like, yeah, I just love her. And our friendship has just continued to grow. We've gone through very similar circumstances. And I like that Monique still says similar, similar. Like it's all fake. It's all being simulated.

[Ben Mandelker]

Also, why did they not give Monique a background? They put her up against this, like, kind of off white screen. It was. It was like she was coming. It's like someone was being operated on and they were having a vision of Monique.

[Ronnie Caram]

I was wondering that, too. Like, was it. Did they change it for the aired version and not the screener or something where it was. They just didn't have her house yet?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it was on the aired version. There was just nothing there. Maybe it was an error. Maybe they just forgot. But it was full on blank, and it wasn't like, a cool blank. You know, on Ultimate Girls trip, which is coming back in road trip form. On Ultimate Girls trip, they would have. They would be also against a blank color, but it was like a color. It would be, like a blue or an orange or something. But here is just, like, just blank. Just a blank beige.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Monique still loves Ashley, and she updates us on her life. She's like, oh, so much has happened. You know, I've gotten 300 pounds lighter because Chris is gone. And was Chris 300 pounds? Because I'm jealous that that was his weight. Because I would have guessed larger, right? Like, he was so big.

[Ben Mandelker]

I would have guessed larger because he's. He was tall and he was big, but he's also. You know, there's, like, muscle under there. So, like, I was like, I actually thought 300 was a little low. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Because I almost got to 400, and I was jealous of this. But maybe it's like, in their divorce decree that she has to, like, lie about his weight still or something. But I love that, like, a football guy would care. You know, he's like, oh, please continue to let people believe that I'm £300. You know, it's like people who always stay the age 28 through their whole lives.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Ash is like, well, I'm just liking everything. Wow, it looks great. Like, look at this. I mean, Chase was born soon after I met you. And, like, Melania, I mean, so she was so little when we first met. See, I remember your daughter's name. So that means I'm a really good friend.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So we meet the new bird, and what's the new bird's name? Do we find out the new bird's name? Yeah, we do. Hold on.

[Ben Mandelker]

The new bird's name.

[Ronnie Caram]

We did.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I don't remember what the new bird's name is, actually, to be honest. But we do see that t'. Challa. T' Challa actually was a young bird. T' Challa was only two years old. And Monique is actually very emotional about it. Monique is like, t'. Challa. That was my heart. Like, I don't want to talk about that. Like, I get so emotional. Like, t' Challa was another kid to me. And, like, of course it's a pet. You know, pets, we're. You know, we're all attached to our pets, and it's tragic when they die, especially when they die young, but I feel like it's. There's Something about birds. Like, I've never been a bird owner, so I don't. It's like, I feel like I see that bond between people and their dogs or people and their cats. But, like, I feel like I've never really. I. I just. For some reason, I never thought that there'd be that. Like, that same strong emotional connection. But of course there would be. It's a pet. But she was really, like. She was really distraught still after all these years.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And she's saying that the bird knows a lot of words. She's like, it. She knows so many words. She calls me mom. I mean, she's shy right now. Okay, go ahead and talk new bird. And the bird's like, meow. She goes, that was high. The bird was saying hi to you. She's like, I know. Time to do your taxes. The bird says, you need to get your taxes in. The bird loves all her faults on Peacock. Loves it. It's her favorite show. Why are you making up stuff that bird is not talking? That's, like, when my mom would tell people, look at Ronnie. He's a model. I was, like, this pudgy kid with, like, one leg shorter than the other, hunched over. I was not a model. Why are you telling people that? Or she would tell people, my son is so brilliant, he can play any song he hears by ear. He doesn't even need Suzuki training. Ronnie, play something I couldn't like, she would lie. And I feel like that's what Monique is doing, you know? And you're just setting your child up for a life of pain by giving them too much confidence in things they can't do.

[Ben Mandelker]

I. I agree.

[Ronnie Caram]

Mom, stop it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. This is very much like Dana Pam saying that her child can speak Thai, and He was, like, 18 months old. It's like, I'm not sure about that. Okay. This bird was just going. I'm like, there was no. Not a discernible word in there. So Ash is like, okay, that's cool.

[Ronnie Caram]

So.

[Ben Mandelker]

So the Nash is asking, like, what's going on with the men's? Any men's in the equation? Just gonna butter you up a little bit before we drop the bomb later on that Chris Samuels might be dating Stacy. And Monica's like, no, no, no. I'm just like. She's saying that she's more focused on herself, and she's like. And you know what really sent me on that whole awakening path? The fight. And Ashley, in the understatement of the year, says, well, there was an incident that happened A few years ago, I'm like, an incident. This, like, took over your show and took over pop culture and became the thing that people raged about on the Internet in 2021 for, like, months and months and months. Like, I'm still like. I'm like, it's like the only fight on Bravo where I'm like, I don't want to look. I don't want to look anymore. I don't want to talk about it anymore.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, that was a rough patch, because weren't we all stuck at home during that time, too? That was.

[Ben Mandelker]

We're all stuck at home. It became very political, and it was like. It wasn't like, you know, normally when there's a fight on Bravo, it's like, oh, my God, there's a fight. Oh, my God. But this one was, like, people were very, very serious about it, and I'm not saying they shouldn't have been, but this one did not. People were not approaching it with the same sort of levity that we do other fights on Bravo, because that one.

[Ronnie Caram]

Was also much more fun.

[Ben Mandelker]

And it was. Yeah, it was more intense. I mean, there were. There was a variety of factors. I'm not saying it was wrong, but as a. You know, I like my fights to be funny and frothy. Sort of like the other Candace. You know, Kierna Candace, what's her face, Big Bird fight. You know, some things like that. So seeing it again, you're like, serious stuff.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And Monique has been trained by reality tv. You know, she's like, yeah, it was so hard, but it was childhood trauma, and I didn't realize it. So now that I realize it's childhood trauma, I'm better. So who's the friend circle? What's the friend circle like this these days? And she's like, yeah, well, Giselle's gotten really close to me. You know, we started a fashion line. And she's like, why would you do a fashion line with Giselle? Have you not seen this show? Hello.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, wow, things really went to shit after I left. I mean, what were you thinking? Fashion line with Giselle? What is wrong with you? Why would you ever do that?

[Ronnie Caram]

You know?

[Ben Mandelker]

And then we see, like, footage of Giselle. My favorite thing is when they troll Giselle's looks. I don't even think that the look that they showed of Giselle was, like, the worst thing that she's worn, but it's still funny every time they do it.

[Ronnie Caram]

So she hasn't talked to Giselle, Obviously, she hasn't talked to or seen Wendy. And it's been five years, which is crazy to think. And Monique's like, yeah, you know, I did talk to Karen before, you know, while she was in the midst of the trial and I was sending her love and prayers and stuff. But yeah, I knew she was probably going to jail. She's like, yeah. And then we have this new girl, Stacy, and some of the things of what she says and what she does, they just don't align.

[Ben Mandelker]

And now she's like, yeah, I don't want to muddy the waters between Monique and Stacy when they haven't even met each other yet. So we're gonna wait about three minutes and have K do it. And it's like on stage to be like, hey, girl, just to let you know I went on dates or whatever with your ex husband. Just not my business. And again, I'm like, Stacy doesn't know Monique. She's not obligated to make a report. Like a girl code report. Like, I just don't like. It's crazy how they're trying to stir this up into something that it's not.

[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ronnie Caram]

So then we go over to Weddy. Weddy. That's our couple name, Wendy and Eddie's house Weddy. We go over to their house and they're doing a home renovation and there's a scaffold and it's a mess over there and they're going to redo the whole thing and it's going to cost $100,000, which is actually really cheap because she lists what they're going to do the sitting room, the family room, the kitchen, the formal dining room, the floors, the sunroom, the pantry, the mud room, the laundry room. For $100,000. You're going to need to. You're going to need to return some more Birkins for that. That's not going to be $100,000.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're gonna need to.

[Ronnie Caram]

To.

[Ben Mandelker]

To cook up some more insurance scams. Okay. That's a lot. And also, some people were saying this is why Wendy was actually relatively chill about the stain on her carpet on Wife Swap, because she knew she was getting rid of it. Anyway. It's like, we're gonna renovate this anyway. So Wendy is like that. They go into the garage to look at some stuff. Well, Eddie is wearing a T shirt that says, what does it. Bring out Eddie? Because at the reunion last year, if you remember when there was this whole thing where TJ called Eddie and Eddie texted Wendy to say, oh, my God, TJ said the crazy stuff like, well, bring out Eddie. Let's talk to Eddie. Like, bring out Eddie. Bring out Eddie. So now he's wearing a T shirt, as if this is a phrase that, like, ever penetrated pop culture, which it did not. And I just feel like it's like the decline of Eddie is so sad. I feel like when we first met him, he's like. Like a professional. He's a lawyer professional, and he still is, but, like, that's where it seemed like his focus is. And then the past, like, two or three seasons, he's just constantly wearing these embarrassing T shirts and swag and, like, I know you gotta. I know you gotta make your money. And it's. I just feel like I. I just had high hopes for him that he'd just be like, whatever, I'm just gonna do my lawyering stuff. And now just wearing these stupid T shirts on tv. I'm like, eddie, no. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Trying to make his own taglines happen. Like, no one says, bring out Eddie. Okay? I didn't even know what the shirt meant when I saw it. I didn't know until you explained it right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

I didn't know either. I just assumed it was some other happy Eddie merch. But then they showed the clip. Bring out Eddie. Bring out Eddie. And I was like, oh, God, you got to be kidding me. Come on, Eddie Oseppo. Come on.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, that's pretty sad, actually. So they're talking about this, and then they talk about the trip, and she's like, yeah, they celebrated my birthday. And speaking of my birthday, did you know what really bothered Me, my dad didn't call me on my birthday and she doesn't like that because there was a family message thread and the dad was like, hey, everybody, it's like Wendy's birthday. And he sends out a message. He's like, hey, everybody, don't forget it's your other cousin's birthday in five days. It's the five day countdown to your other cousin's birthday. And she's like, but they didn't say. He didn't say, wish Wendy happy birthday. What the fuck?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Which is pretty fucked up, I have to say. And yeah, so it's, it's. She's like very upset about this. And, and she's saying, you know, it's crazy that my mom has done such a good job of raising us in love and that sometimes I forget that my father wasn't part of my life. And she's just, you know, doing all this stuff. And then her mom, her mom calls right at that moment and she's like, oh, my God, mom, what's going on? And Susan's like, I want to ask you a quick question. And she's like, well, can you. Can I hold? Can I call you back later? I'm having an emotional scene where I'm talking about my dad and it's going to make me, like, really, like, look cool for America. And like, no, no, I have to ask you a question. So do we find out what the question was?

[Ronnie Caram]

No, but she's so pushy. I like that. Wendy's like, mom, I'm going to have to call you back. Why did you have to answer the phone? Just don't answer the phone. Just press ignore and then call her back. But she answers it. She's like, I can't talk right now, but I have a question. No, but I'll call you right back. No, tell Eddie to wait. Mom, I'll call you back. No, that's why you don't answer the phone when your mother's calling. If you don't have time, just don't answer the. But you know, her mom has like access to indoor cameras or something. She's like, I see you. I see a crow shows up at the window. She's like, I see you. So then Stacy is having a meeting over her new products. She says, stacy, Stacy's whole character. She's just such a troll. And I love this. So she's like, oh, this is the first time I'm seeing my packaging. I'm so exciting. It's the first time I'm touching Shiao wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shio. And so she's with this guy named Andreas, and he's like, I think that's, what, 95 days since we first talked? And here we are. How crazy is that? How fast did this come to fruition? Talk about drama. Talk about Shia.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, it's crazy that something would come to fruition so quickly when you're just slapping your name on an existing product. Isn't that nice?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, pretty much.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, what did it take you guys a long time to learn Photoshop? 90 Days is a long time to print out a. To print out a simple label. So she's like, I'm so excited. This is Shyo. And, you know, we took a DNA test to my family, and we have a significant amount of heritage that comes from Nigeria. So I thought, what better way to pay tribute, to play pay tribute to stealing Wendy's product than stealing Wendy's product and naming it Happy in Nigerian.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, Andreas, you have to admit, that's pretty good. No, she's hilarious that she didn't steal.

[Ronnie Caram]

Happy Eddie by naming her product just Happy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right. And so then Andreas is like, well, it's pronounced Shayor, and it's a common Nigerian term that embodies the act of coming together and connecting with the. With friends and your family and your community and then stealing their ideas and making them your own.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So she asks how. The producers ask her how Wendy's gonna feel about this, and she's like, well, the name of my brand isn't Happy Stacy. I'm not trying to infringe on their brand. It has nothing to do with Wendy or Eddie just being happy. I just took the happy part.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then back in the garage, Wendy is like, so you got your Happy Eddie lighters, and they're just looking through swag and everything. And there's also some Happy Eddie lip gloss. Like, wow, I wonder why they're in debt. So Eddie is, like, saying how it all works and everything. And Wendy's saying, you know, Stacy, I love her down, but Stacy is starting a cannabis line. Like, what's up with that? And he's like, oh. So we bring Eddie out, and then Stacy goes ahead and starts a cannabis line. Is that the deal? And she's like, yeah, I think it's your fault. But at the end of the day.

[Ronnie Caram]

You got nothing for nothing.

[Ben Mandelker]

And there's room for more than one. Just one thing. And, you know, you just need to strain to conceptualize. I guess you just need to strain to conceptualize.

[Ronnie Caram]

You just need a strain to conceptualize. And so.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, that makes much more sense. I was like.

[Ronnie Caram]

And so he's like, well, what should we name it? What should we name our new one? He's like, copycat.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ooh, yeah. That's hilarious.

[Ronnie Caram]

So then we go to Ashley, talking to Stacy. They're talking on the phone, and Stacy's like, oh, Ashley's getting ready to go to Jazzy's wedding, and Stacy has decided she's gonna go too. So Stacy's like, yeah, I can only be there two hours because I've gotta come up, come back, and turn up for Pride, right? We're all in the same boat. I'm glad we're gonna support her, you know. You know about my cannabis line, right? So one of the gummies is Shyo and Yoruba. That means happy. Oh, wait, hold on. You're feeling. You're freezing up a bit. Say it again. Yeah, And Ashley's like, wow, the elevator really doesn't go all the way to the top with this woman. Like, what the hell? Now you're doing a copycat.

[Ben Mandelker]

I. I just want to, like, go back to one thing really quickly. I thought it was crazy that they're gonna go to this wedding. They're. In fact, what we find out is that they're actually flying all the way to Dallas to go to a wedding for two hours. Just that way they can come back and go to get a Gay Pride party. Not even be like, in the. Not even be in the parade. They're just going to a party at Gay Pride. If I were Jassy, like, if this were a real world. If it was not a. If it was not reality tv, I'd be like, what the fuck? Like, you're gonna leave my party, my wedding, early so you can go to a party in, like, D.C. is that what you're doing now? I know, because it's a reality show. She's like, oh, God, Thank God you're. You're giving me two hours. Like, my. My wedding, like, just barely is gonna make it onto the TV show. But I just think it's the craziest thing that you're. That you're going to only go to a wedding for two hours and ditch it for some lame Ashley Darby party.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I'm guessing they're getting appearance fees for going to whatever party this is.

[Ben Mandelker]

100%. It was probably already on the schedule. I understand that. What? Like, it was probably all set up. They've got a built in. They're gonna do a storyline, yada, yada, yada, and then decide to do this and like, I get realistically why it's happening, but like, if you're trying to just, you know, accept the narrative of this TV show on face value and you're trying not to look into, you know, all the behind the scenes stuff, it's a crazy thing to do. It's crazy.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Angel's like, well, well, they start talking about, wait, where are we? Oh, no, we go to Angel's house. Okay, so we go to Angel's house now. So angel is with her sister and they're eating ice cream at a place called Ice Cream Queens. What is that? And why don't we have it?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know. It was like a. Well, here's the thing. Okay, I enjoy some shaved ice, but I just don't understand why in a world full of froyo and ice cream, why we need shaved ice. Like, like, I get it, but like, I'm always going to go for ice cream and froyo over shaved ice. Like, I've had shaved ice and it's delicious. It's really tasty. But if I'm going for a cold treat in the summer day, guess what it's gonna be ice cream. That's always gonna be ice cream. It always was. It always will be.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Cause it's not like shaved ice is that much healthier. I think people think it's healthier, but then it's got all that juice in it that's not healthier. So you might as well just eat the ice cream. You know what I mean? And like, you're gonna just have ice then that's okay. You know, that's what, that's what you do when you're like eating disordered and like counting calories and stuff. Not that counting calories is eating, but you know what I mean? Like, I've done that before where I'll just eat ice. And I'm like, this is just as good as I. It's not. You know, you try to trick yourself, but these two have no excuse. I mean, support the ice cream. I didn't even realize it was shaved ice. I thought it was ice cream. I'm actually disliking angel even more now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I mean, like, look, Italian eyes. Shaved ice. Was it like the Taiwanese style? Like shaved ice? They're all super delicious. I'm not taking away that they're not good. But when you say, why don't we have an ice queen? I'm like, because we have ice cream. And that's why. And I'm like, so, like, I will have Shaved ice. But if you give me an option, I'm always going to go towards ice cream. And I just needed to let that out. I needed to state my truth. And, you know, people can agree or disagree, but. But now they know where I stand.

[Ronnie Caram]

So she's hanging out with her sister, and she's talking about the ladies, and she's like, you know, I was invited on this trip, and long story short, my ass is sitting down at dinner. And the first thing out of Giselle's mouth is so ang. I see you on the blogs and the pictures don't look like you. And then Wendy's like. And said she's calling you a catfish. Oh, yeah. Asshole lips and giving. Giving those Forest Whitaker eyes. I was humiliated. It's like, wow, you just called Wendy Forest Whitaker eyes. That was a lot worse than calling you a catfish.

[Ben Mandelker]

Not only was a lot worse, but, like, you are the. You are now, like, prolonging this issue. I'm sorry, angel. Your face looked different. This was not a case of some face tune and some filters. This was not airbrushing. It looked like a whole different face. And you got called out for it, and you still can't. Not only are you not copying to it, you could have just been like, yeah, I know. I was, like, just trying to make myself look cute, and now it looked a little different. But, like, whatever. I went with it because the face that's there was cute and I liked it. Like, there's a way to, like, laugh it off. But the fact that she is, like, leaning into this victim mentality to borrow a Ronnie Caram sentiment is ridiculous. I mean, I'm sorry.

[Ronnie Caram]

You. You.

[Ben Mandelker]

Your face is not the same face. It's not.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Giselle is shading you, and Giselle, too, so that's fine. But the fact that you can't. The fact that it's hurting you this much, Some light shade is hurting you this much. You're not meant for here, okay? So learn how to shave that ice because you need a different job.

[Ben Mandelker]

And also, like, this big talk that you're having now, like, oh, her asshole lips and Forest Whitaker eyes. Whatever. You know, it's. You talk a big game behind all their backs. Like, this is what you should have been saying. This is what you should have clapped back with right away. But, you know, she's not. And just. I just feel like it's so prolonged. And on top of that, honestly, Giselle went and sat down with you the very next day. Saw you were crying, and she was like, I'm really really sorry. Like, she actually said that. And you still continue to bring it up. And then you act like things are good and you laugh and you kiki. And like, you're. You're all partying and everything. And then the next day you say, well, I'm not sure. I was still very upset. It's like, you, girl, you're loving. You're loving this misery space right now. That's. That's all I can, you know, imagine. That's the only way I can explain it.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, I was humiliated. I was stunned into silence. And her sister's like, oh, really? Giselle. Giselle, focus. Soft. Focuses on her neck. Okay? Because I've seen her at many events over the years, and let me tell you something, I've seen her neck, and it's not the same neck that's on Instagram. I'm like, wow, so you're going for the neck now. Much better. You two are much better. Right? So Angel's like, well, yeah. Ms. Wendy, Ms. Permanent Filter. Is that supposed to be a diss? If somebody called me a permanent filter, I'd be like, yes, I made it.

[Ben Mandelker]

But, like, we see a picture of Giselle, and for sure, she is all airbrushed up, and we see Wendy, and she's definitely got the filters. But filters and airbrushing is different than just, like, a whole new face. Like, Giselle was shading you because you went too far. You obviously adjusted things too far. And, like, it's okay. We've all done it. Like, I've seen people and, you know, they. They made their necks look, like, 2ft tall. I'm like, why did you giraffe yourself? You know? And, like, you know, because you. You stare at the picture for so long that it become normalized. And then you say, oh, well, maybe I'll make another adjustment. And it just gets crazy by the end. And I think if you can't laugh at your own vanity in that moment and that you went too far, then you've lost the thread.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, look, Gisele was being a dick in that situation. I was Team angel in the beginning of the situation. It's just like, you're on Housewives. This is nothing. Get over it. Let's move on. Okay, so Ingrid's like, well, they gave you a gift because now you know what you're dealing with. And they wouldn't have come so hard if they didn't think you were some imagined hierarchy. And, you know, listen, you're the only one that lives off of River Road as far As I can tell. And then we see a map where everybody lives. And angel has the best, you know, the closest to the river, Potomac, which is a huge thing on the old show because everyone else lives in the burbs.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's a huge thing. I wish they had explained why River Road mattered, but I just have to assume it was an important. It was like good real estate. And so then Ingrid is like, is there a certain good doctor in the cow country? And then angel goes. And we're not talking ranches. No, we're not talking ranches. I'm like, okay, you guys, honestly, I think this entire conversation is way worse than anything that happened that night. Talking about catfishing.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, they're coming off Grocer, I think now. Which is quite a feat because they were in the right in the beginning. Angel was in the right in the beginning. But now you're like, really? That neck. Oh, yeah. And her Forest Whitaker eyes. And they're poor. It's like, jeez, this started as light shade over a filter. Damn. So then Angel's like, well, I felt misjudged. But I'm gonna give it a chance to get to know these individual relations. Oh, gosh, I'm on tv.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, Like, I. Angel constantly promising. What is this, Episode seven, Episode eight? Constantly promising that they're gonna get to know me and I'll get to know them. Girl, get you.

[Ronnie Caram]

We're.

[Ben Mandelker]

We're approaching the mid season trailer. I think it just dropped on social media today. Like, you gotta. It's time to. It's time to start getting to know people.

[Ronnie Caram]

So now we go to Tia, and she's talking about, oh, I missed Lexi's birthday party because of this trip to Nevis. But somewhere in between that, Lexi has a party and I'm hearing hodgepodge stories of what happened. And so she's trying to get out of her family, what happened? So she's like, so, how'd it go? Sienna? She's like, I mean, it was just stressful. And the husband, Rob, is like, well, okay. Well, someone got cut off the list. And then he got upset about it, so he posted the address on TikTok. She's like, oh, you see this? I made it to Tiki Talkie.

[Ben Mandelker]

So he says a bazillion people showed up. And Sienna's like, like, random people we didn't know. We're like, showing up. And I was like, it's getting out of hand. I called the police. Oh, I'm sorry. He's like, I called the police. Five Times, because I was. I was gonna shut it down real quick. Oh, oh.

[Ronnie Caram]

And where were you, Rob, when this was happening?

[Ben Mandelker]

When it was getting out of hand? Who's here? She's like, oh, so you didn't call the police? Your daughter called the police. What is happening? Rob's like, yeah, because, you know, she was doing such a good job. I let her call the police. I was like, what is. What's going on with this party in the first place? Was this one of those things where the. Where Rob was like, if you're gonna drink, I'd rather you drink under my supervision than behind my back or something like that? Like, that's kind of the inference that I'm. That's. That's what I'm assuming is. Is what I'm reading behind between the.

[Ronnie Caram]

Lines here was all these kids showing up from a tick tock invite. That's hilarious.

[Ben Mandelker]

If they're. If the kids are showing up and then people are throwing up on. On floors, as we soon find out. Like, I'm like, maybe that's why Rob didn't want to call the police, because.

[Ronnie Caram]

He doesn't want to go to jail. Yeah. Forgetting, like, that alcohol or whatever, like.

[Ben Mandelker]

What'S really going on here. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Lexi's like, and then, you know, then someone was standing on the car, and I told him to get down. Rob's like, no one was standing on the car. Who's carrying their car? You weren't even there. Shut up. She's like, well, you weren't there very much. It doesn't sound like where. Where were my babies in all of this?

[Ben Mandelker]

Where were the good children who are the responsible children who actually still have upside in their lives?

[Ronnie Caram]

One of them was like, someone threw up next to my bed. Oh, no. Did they really, Alexis? Someone threw up. And she's like, I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was downstairs, and I said it was red. It was red. Gosh, this is why I'm not having kids.

[Ronnie Caram]

So we go over to Giselle, and she's with Grace, and she's talking about the dad. So this situation's crazy. So her dad passed away, and Giselle is accusing the wife of taking the will, throwing it in the trash can, and then making a new will. And now she's trying to get all the money. And Giselle's like, yeah, my dad could not sign that will because he was like, he mentally was not able to sign that will. So we've been in court this whole time trying to get money off of this witch.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And I fully believe Giselle. I 100% believe Giselle because we saw that dad. We saw the way the dad talked to Giselle, the way he. The way he interacted with her. There's no way he's leaving nothing to Giselle and those daughters. No way whatsoever. This. This monster of a woman, she needs to be sent to Shut up. Shut up mountain and get nothing from that will. That's. This is terrible. People are awful. And this. And this happens all the time, my friend. It's happened to my friend. And that's my Virgo evidence. I'm like Anna Nicole Smith, but for real. It does happen. And it's crazy that people would do this. I mean, people are hideous, awful monsters. I'm. I'm sad that we don't get to see this person on the show, so we could shame them even deeper.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, well, any real producer would be over there getting this lady on camera, so get over there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Comes one right now. Well, let's go to the more compelling couple, Kieran and Greg, everyone. So I guess they're. They're getting ready to go to a Wu Tang concert. So Keanu's trying to dress kind of 90s, and Greg has his Wu Tang T shirt on and everything. And they're like. They're hanging out in. He's really condo with a view of. Yeah, he is. He's really trying to be fun. Fun times, Greg, this season. It's hilarious.

[Ronnie Caram]

He's like, wow, you look so beautiful. You're so amazing. I'm so glad to be with you. What a gorgeous woman. Look at us communicating. God, we're doing great. God, toots, I love you. And it's being very. It seems very performative. Yes. But I love how these shows try and whip. How they kind of whip people into shape. You know, they see themselves on TV and then they get ripped apart, and then it's like, look, here's my new personality.

[Ben Mandelker]

Love you, baby. I mean, in some ways, I mean, that's good, right? I mean, if someone's being a dick and then they see themselves on TV and they realize they're being a dick, and they say, oh, I have to act better. Like, if you're acting better, so that way people don't give you so much. It does feel insincere. But at the same time, you're still gonna act better, right? I mean, I think we like it to be more internal. Like, you act better because you. It's the right thing to do. But, hey, like, whatever it takes to get that needle moving, right? So I'M just saying that we're kind of like heroes, us audience members. So good job, everyone.

[Ronnie Caram]

Twitter bullying is heroic, basically, is what we're saying. Keep it up.

[Ben Mandelker]

Keep it up, everyone.

[Ronnie Caram]

So she goes, therapy. Which is bullshit because we know it was all of us. So.

[Ben Mandelker]

Dr.

[Ronnie Caram]

He's like, you know, what did you say?

[Ben Mandelker]

The Dr. Lowenstein's of the audience?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So she's like, yeah, it gives me more security now. And he's like, oh, yeah, we're working on things. We're just getting so much better with all of this. And she says, well, what would you say some of the key foundations are that you will put in if you had to build this house? And he's like, oh, number one, definitely. Communication. God, I'm obsessed with communicating now, by the way, did I mention, did I communicate how gorgeous you look today? God, I love communication. Party.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, our relationship is like that busy highway just outside the window there. It's constantly flowing. Sometimes it gets backed up, but at the end of the day, it gets us to where we need to be. Right. Okay. That was for you.

[Ronnie Caram]

I've grown and it's a freeway. You know, it's easier to just stay on here than go down a side road that might be more difficult but less profitable. So she's like, okay, that's a good one. Communication's big, you know, because that sets the whole bottom floor in the house. For me. It's going to be support. That's what I love in the house. Oh, God. When you're. When you're at the point where you're making your. Your analogy about your relationship into the house, you're in trouble. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

I feel like.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm electricity, you guys. That's what I am in this relationship. Yeah. I'm a light switch.

[Ben Mandelker]

I feel like also, like, I think one thing that's really important is, you know, affection. That's kind of like the recessed lighting in the pantry. That's. That's definitely an important part too, because if you can't find your food, then what are you even doing? Am I right? Am I right?

[Ronnie Caram]

Am I right? Yeah. So, yeah, this was a whole scene of, like, aren't Greg and Kiana doing well? To which I say, nobody cares.

[Ben Mandelker]

No one cares.

[Ronnie Caram]

No one cares. Okay? This relationship is the garbage disposal. Turn it on. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So then we go to Wendy meeting Stacy at Cipriana.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I love that this place kind of like took the Cipriani's thing, but, like, switched up. But that's so appropriate for Stacy to Go to like an off brands Cipriani.

[Ronnie Caram]

Is Cipriani a rip off Cipriani?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's a different. It's a different restaurant. So she meets with Stacy and she goes, Wendy's, like, you know what's so funny? Because when you walked in, I saw your nipples. Is it okay? Is it too much? Well, you should have worn this for the whole night instead of the German attire you wore that night. Remember Slut night? She goes, this is a hoe dress. You're saying I'm wearing a hoe dress? Stacy, that's crazy.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Wendy tells us, you know, I don't think that Stacy's a bad person. It's just that the space I'm in right now, I enjoy things that aren't too serious. And she's not serious, okay? She's not a serious person and I enjoy that.

[Ben Mandelker]

She goes, okay, well, first of all, Dallas for Jassy's wedding, okay, we're doing Dallas and we're going to Pride. Do you think she's gonna sing? Is actually gonna sing? Please tell me she's not gonna sing. Are we gonna leave this wedding to go a wag wedding to watch Ashley sing? Which, by the way, that's the other thing. This is gonna be a cool wedding because it'd be like. It's a wag wedding. Football players, famous people. It's gonna be like very expensive and lavish, I would say, at the wedding. And you know me, I'm not necessarily a big wedding person, but I say it. Jazz's wedding over. This over going to jet to Ashley's drag performance.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, we've always been the gays who are going to choose food over pride.

[Ben Mandelker]

For sure. And on, by the way, we mean that on every level.

[Ronnie Caram]

On every level.

[Ben Mandelker]

Every level. Of that. Of that sentence. We mean it.

[Ronnie Caram]

I mean, I'm proud to be gay, but I'm prouder to have a croissant in my hand. And that's just how it is. That's just how I was born. I was born this way. Okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

Croissant pride. So, yeah, so they said they're wondering. Wendy's wondering if Ashley's gonna sing. And Stacey goes, probably. And Wendy goes. The gays deserve so much better. It's true. It's true. Do we though, Ashley?

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't think we do. Because we're the ones who keep lifting these people up. You know, we're the ones who made Erika James think that she should be on a stage. I don't really know that we do deserve more, frankly.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's Fair.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's fair.

[Ben Mandelker]

But look at how much Erica has grown as an artist. She went from 15 years ago singing a song like My pussy's on fire to a new song that's like My pussy's on fire. So I think that she's really grown tremendously as her range.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's gone from a half an octave to 3/4 of an octave. And it's.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's been impressive with the same beats.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So Ashley talks about doing World Pride and so what is World Pride? I didn't know that was a thing. Is that another kind of gay pride?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like the. It's like the bigger gay pride. I thought that always happened in New York city, not in D.C. but maybe it moves around. It's like the big. It's the big one. It's the biggest. The biggest of all the prides.

[Ronnie Caram]

Hmm. I like it. So she is gonna have a custom made GNA float, even though nobody knows what this business is to this day. Because it's selling sportsw or is it throwing brain charities? Like no one literally nobody knows what this is still.

[Ben Mandelker]

Can we have some custom made DNA product first before the custom made GNA float? Custom made mission statement? A custom made business plan, Something like that? Before we dress up a pickup truck?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I can't even find it. Actually. I went to gna. They have an Instagram. Okay, let's see. Giselle and Ashley. Let me go to Lincoln Bio GNA Apparel is what it's called. Okay, this domain has flown away. Okay, now it's your turn to get online. So if anybody wants to buy GNA, it's for sale on Wix.

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Caram]

So bad. Why are you. There's only seven posts. The last post was from 87 weeks ago and it's Ashley in a T shirt and leggings leaning back on a tiny little hotel chair.

[Ben Mandelker]

If, like, if they don't even have a website, is. Does that mean. Does their charity even exists then? Because if they're doing charitable things, like, aren't there certain kind of aren't there certain things you have to do? Like, how do we know that's not a scam? I'm sorry, everyone. I don't have my words. I'm gonna blame it on BravoCon. I don't have my words. This is almost as bad as last week on whichever recap it was where we repeatedly talked about how the Tin man had no brain. The Tin man has no heart.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, for sake.

[Ben Mandelker]

We are idiots.

[Ronnie Caram]

Going to follow me around for the rest of our life. First of all that was Meredith Marx's mistake, not ours. Okay, Meredith, Mark said it. We didn't correct it, but we were very busy talking about the old. The whole other load of that was spewing out at us during that episode. There was so much happening. I'm so sorry, you guys. I'm so sorry. But do you need to email my mother about it? It's like, people I haven't heard from in years, like, Ronnie, that was the lion. Like, okay, for Christ's sake, write it on my deathstone. My headstone, or whatever you call it when I die.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's. But to be fair, that was. That's. That was a pretty obvious goof on our part.

[Ronnie Caram]

It was. Yeah. I mean, out of all the. Out of all the horrible that comes out of my mouth, this is what's gonna follow me to my grave, is this Tin man mistake. Damn it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I feel like it wasn't just you. It was me, too. Like, I. I got a lot of it as well. Like, Ben, you should know. And I was like, I should know. I should know. But when you're talking about the worst is what? You're having a whole conversation about people with pea sized brains, and then we're making fun of this, and we're talking about how Disney princesses actually have more brains than Meredith's giving them credit for, while we're sitting there talking about how the Tin man has a brain. Oh, my God.

[Ronnie Caram]

And it was funny because it was the most controversial episode of the season, right? With people like, oh, Meredith did this thing on a plane, and blah, blah, blah. And all the comments are about us messing up the Tin man heart thing. Oh, my God. Okay, so let's see. GNA can refer to several different charities or related organizations, including the Gender Identity Network alliance, the Global News Alliance, a Christian focused media. Listen to this. Okay. Gender Identity Network alliance, supporting the LGBTQ community. Or the Global News Alliance, a Christian focused media and missions organization. I love that for them. I'd love that for them. By the way, the Greater National Advocates, a patient advocacy network, and the National Brain Tumor Society, which uses GNA in the names of its fundraising events, like the GNA fusion events. So is that them? Okay, they made it. So they're on the description.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, so maybe they don't have a charity. It looks like it's an association with the National Brain Tumor Society. So maybe it's that they. They label their events gna, but maybe they themselves don't have a charity. Maybe that's what it is.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's what I say.

[Ben Mandelker]

Good to see that whatever it is, they don't even have a website. And it's shoddy what they're doing, but whatever. So the they're talking about this. This whole thing. World pride, yada, yada. So Wendy is saying, so, by the way, tell me about your brand. What's going on? And she's like, oh, well, I'm launching a line of gummies. It's a small launch, but I'm very proud. It's a small launch, but it's gonna change my family's life forever. Arabella will be so proud. I won't even be able to go to any single event because it's the most important thing that will ever happen to my family of all time. But it's a small event. And she's like, oh, okay, well, what's the name of your brand? Oh, well, the name of the brand is Shyo. Like Najibian wood.

[Ronnie Caram]

It means joy. Mm. Okay. Happiness. It means happiness. Okay, well, you know, like your husband Eddie Shayo. Eddie. God, that's a good name. Maybe I should use that. She's like, okay, so why that? And she goes, well, I wanted to pay homage to my recent discovery. And Wendy's like, of your Nigerian woots? And she's like, yes, and why wouldn't I recognize my African heritage? Well, there's other African countries. Why Nigeria? She's like, because I have an affinity for Nigerians. Look at you. God, just look at you over there. I would smoke you right now if I could.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wendy looks at the camera. She does Jim Halpern. Just like wheelie. I have an affinity for Nigerians. Shia the gummy for people with affinity for Nigerians. So Wendy's like, okay, all right, this is turning left real quickly. Why is it turning left? I mean, it's two separate ideas. And so Wendy says that Stacy is giving a single black female. She's like, you have stolen the cannabis idea. My aesthetic a little bit. I love just. You stole my esthetic a little bit. That's my favorite claim. And now you're naming your product Happy. When it happened with the candle, that was my first foray in this group. And I quickly learned that people are just copycats. I mean, if Stacy goes and gets a PhD in 4 degrees, I'm losing my shit.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I'm not starting my business to compete with Happy Eddie or in any way to compete with you. I just want Eddie to be happy, which is why I named a Shayo. Oh, shall equals Happy Eddie. I'm gonna write that Down. I'm gonna write that down.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Giselle has back from court, and she's just riding along with angel, and she basically says that it's like a successful thing. It was supposed to be over, over, but now it's going to continue on, and the judge is going to look at it, and, you know, it's. It's gonna. It's gonna move forward. So. Yeah, so that's the update on that.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So then Ashley and Stacy go to Dallas, and with Wendy, and Stacy's like, oh, my God, I'm so glad I made that decision to reorganize my entire launch to be there for Jazzy and be part of this moment in her life.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're you. She's acting like she just put off the new iPhone for a week. It's like, all right, everyone, we said the iPhone will be available in stores on April 30th. It's gonna now be May 12th. Sorry, everyone. I think, like, I think your launch. Your official sho launch will. Will survive.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Ashley's suspicious because she thinks Stacy's only going because she and Wendy decided to go. So she's like, I mean, this is wag capital. Capital W, a G, baby. No expenses spared. So I'm just blessed we can be there, even with this copycat. And Wendy's like, well, I would love to stay for the whole thing, but Ashley's turning into a man at this stroke of midnight, so we gotta go.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they literally. We see. I mean, it's a. It's a super fast wedding thing. We see them. They go say hi to Jassy. They do a shot together, and we see, like, a half second of Darius up at the altar. I think they kiss, and then, boom, we're out. I mean, it was the fastest wedding we've ever seen on Bravo. I actually felt bad for Jassy. I think she was so excited that this was gonna be her moment. Her wedding was gonna be on Bravo. It'd be this big wag moment, and it just gets shoehorned in, like, a little montage. And then we're back to D.C. 18.

[Ronnie Caram]

Hours for another Ashley drag king event, which is even more offensive. Like, yikes.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know, right?

[Ronnie Caram]

So Ashley does something wacky for the friends. She got everybody, like, spray painted shirts that have their names, their drag king names tagged on them. So get ready for a wacky moment. I know Ben loves these. First, we've got Angel. Who's Oliver? Her tits.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I did. I didn't mind. I will say this. I didn't Mind this one so much because it was just like. I'm just. Here's. Here's everyone's names. I get mad when she says, okay, angel, all of her tits. And then we have a freeze frame and then a special music, and then graphics go up on the screen, and then angel gives a tagline, and we spend like, 30 to 45 seconds in, like, each one of these, and you're like, oh, my God, why is this still going on? This one, they just put up their names. They just put their names up and kept them moving. So I was like, as long as it keeps moving, like, it's fine. We can. We can get through this. Like, my explanation of my emotions. God, don't you hate it when they just take up all this time on this show about something that no one really cares about?

[Ronnie Caram]

I know. It's, like, literally longer than the segment. So then the next one is D. Grease, Deez Nuts. Okay. And I guess that's Stacy. And then. Oh, no, Stacy is lick her hosen because she wore lederhosen degrees. No, listen. Okay, you know what? Here's the overall thing. You need drag queens to help you with your drag king names, because I think drag queens. Drag kings are, like, newer to the scene, and they just need more help. I'm sorry. I've seen a lot of drag kings lately at shows, and you guys just need some help. Just. Just ask for help from your sisters, the drag queens, because they come up with good names, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's like, you know, male plastic surgery. How male plastic surgery also needs to get a little bit of help. Like, female plastic surgery has done. Has. Is really good. And, you know, there. There are women who have these facelifts. You know, if you look at, like, God forbid I mentioned this, but Julia from Miami, you know, she got a facelift. And I don't think any of us even realized until Gertie outed it. And it was. It was flawless. But then you look at, you know, some. Some, like, some of the guys that are walking around if like over 50 in Hollywood, and you're like, oh, my.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like they took. It's like they took a graham cracker crust from Keebler and knocked out all the crust and put the tin on their face or something. Like, it's like. It's just like a big circle and stretch, and it's crazy. I mean, look at Wayne Newton. Okay? It's just, you know, the male plastic surgery needs to come up, and I think the same has for. For Maybe some drag king conventions.

[Ronnie Caram]

Listen, it takes a village to name a drag king, because these are terrible. So we have proper puss popper, and that's Tia, which I don't get that. And then we get serving jizz. Who is Giselle?

[Ben Mandelker]

And by the way, angel is there. Like, Angel's literally right there. And she's like, okay, Giselle, yours is serving Jews. And Angel's like, what actually was it Grace? I don't remember. I don't. Was one of them.

[Ronnie Caram]

So then, last but not least, this girl is helping all the girls feel good. Help helping the baddies to be the baddest they can be. She's the come inject her.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's just.

[Ronnie Caram]

I was like, wow, that's even worse than mine. So.

[Ben Mandelker]

They're all so bad.

[Ronnie Caram]

Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Monique comes in and so she's, like, bouncing around and dancing and, like, woo. And Giselle's just like, hello, Monique, how are you?

[Ben Mandelker]

How are you, Monique?

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, pushing in the buttons to her bodyguard.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she. Yeah, she's calling. I thought it was weird because Wendy was like, hey, Wendy was, like, all happy. But that was the one person that Monique said she hadn't even heard from over all these years. But, you know, it's. It's civil. Monique and Giselle say hello, and Monique says hi to Grace because it is Grace, because that's right. It's not angel, because angel is part of angel and Adore. So that's very kind. And then Giselle says, I'm going to be honest. Monique is somebody that has, over the years, been on my mind after I heard that her and Chris aren't together anymore, and she read me for filth. I really want to know her thoughts and who she is post that divorce. So she's setting up the. She's setting up the. She's setting us up for the fact that she's going to become friends with Monique because she's going to recruit Monique to her side for whatever war she's going to go into. I'm assuming against Angel.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. But she's basically like, look, I don't like rubber chickens either, but I will still use them as a weapon if I need to, you know? So she's like, I don't like her, but I'm gonna use her. And also, she's going to. When they met her before, she didn't like her because she wasn't authentic. No, when you met her before, you didn't like her because she was so rich and happy. And I'm sorry. But I'll never forget that. Remember when she was walking through her house like, oh, God, a fish tank in your kitchen.

[Ben Mandelker]

Disgust.

[Ronnie Caram]

Sting. Joe was so. Giselle was so bothered by Monique.

[Ben Mandelker]

But Giselle has to start the narrative that this Monique is the real Monique. And therefore, Giselle is not being fake. By being friends with her, she's actually being more authentic because she's being more. She's being friends with the authentic Monique instead. So she's just laying the groundwork so that way we all understand why she suddenly is going to be super nice to Monique now.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, so Wendy's like, I don't know her, but. But, you know, she's nice. And last time I saw her, all hell broke loose at that barn, you know, But I don't really know her other than that. And so Ashley says, okay, you know, when I was at your house, you had the dog, the bird, the parrot. And she goes, oh, yeah, I've got a lot. And Ashley's like, yeah, I call you Dr. Dolittle, but today your doctor do it a lot. Oh, my God.

[Ben Mandelker]

Someone help. Trixie Mattel, could you please report to Washington, D.C. please?

[Ronnie Caram]

Are there no gays in this town? Somebody help.

[Ben Mandelker]

Someone help. Is Dwight around Atlanta? Can he help someone? Someone find a gay. So they're, you know, they're making small talk, and then Kiana comes in, and she decides to be real messy out of nowhere. So she's like, oh, so you know why the girl's here? And Monique's like, no, I only know, like, you know, Ashley and Giselle and Wendy and like, oh, so do you know Stacy? And she's like, no. Oh, and basically, Kieran is like, I thought you would. I thought you would know Stacy. Although they take a moment to talk about t' Challa because Wendy is. Wendy makes some comment about t', Challa, about, oh, like that, you know. Then they're like, oh, God, t' Challa died, Wendy. And she's like, oh, well, maybe I almost. I almost died, so that's probably a good thing. I was like, oh, too soon, Wendy. Look at Monique's face.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So let's see. What are they talking about? So they're talking about t'. Challa. And she's like, yeah, t' Challa attacked me. Like, he's dead.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, whoops.

[Ronnie Caram]

So she's like, oh, God, I guess we're even.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's what she says.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Ashley's like, so the show was funny, though. So Ashley's like, so, is this your first pride? They're making small talk, you know. And then Kieran is like, wow, Stacy, I'm surprised that you don't know Monique. She goes, yeah, well, I don't know that I don't leave the house so I wouldn't meet anybody. And she goes, well, she said that she's seen you around. And Stacy's like, what? And what are you talking about? And Giselle goes, oh, no, that wasn't Monique. That was Chris. Goes, oh, okay, it was Chris Samuels. But that's her ex husband, right? That's who Stacy was dating.

[Ben Mandelker]

Karen to try real hard to make this happen. Karen getting really messy. It's not even her gossip to tell. It's if anyone, it's Ashley's. So she just stole Ashley's gossip. So whatever, whatever, Kierna. Just. Just keep on trying. But to be continued. I. I don't even know if this deserved a to be continued personally, but there it is. Everyone will have to see how Monique reacts to a total stranger having met her husband once.

[Ronnie Caram]

All right, everybody, thanks so much for being here. We will be back later today with some below deck Mediterranean. And guess what? Southern charm starts this week. Whoa. So we will have recaps coming up for that and everything else. You know, we'll be here all week. Thanks for being with us and we'll talk to you next time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, bye.

[Ronnie Caram]

Bye. Bye, guys. Bye, guys.

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