Ben Mandelker (1:51)

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Ronnie Caram (2:35)

Well hello Ben.

Ben Mandelker (2:38)

Well Hello. We are here today to recap Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. This is an episode that Andy Cohen said at BravoCon was maybe his favorite of the season. So we'll discuss that.

Ronnie Caram (2:51)

Housewives episodes of all time, guys.

Ben Mandelker (2:58)

Whoa. I said, wow.

Ronnie Caram (3:05)

I do not believe you.

Ben Mandelker (3:08)

Yeah, I to believe that guy.

Ronnie Caram (3:11)

And sure enough, it wasn't a shitty episode, but it wasn't the best. You can't have Salt Lake City and be like, it's the best episode of all time.

Ben Mandelker (3:18)

Yeah.

Ronnie Caram (3:18)

I mean, come on. We had.

Ben Mandelker (3:20)

You have to be careful. I think that. Yeah, I think that he was maybe caught off guard with that question. Andy Cohen said someone had asked him during Ask Andy or whatever, what is like. Like, what's a. What's one of the best episodes of all time? Or whatever. Something like that. With name an episode. And he said, wow. Wow, so many episodes. Well, I can say that the episode of Solid City coming up next is one of the best. So I think he was like. He wasn't sure. And he was like, okay, whatever. I'll just like, I'll hype up the next Salt Lake City episode. I think that's purely where it came from.

Ronnie Caram (3:56)

Makes sense.

Ben Mandelker (3:57)

You know, today we're talking about Salt Lake City, but we come. Join us on Patreon. Patreon.com watch for crappins weekly bonus episodes, Crappings on Demand, where you can watch us on video for a week before it goes out to YouTube. And. And we have Discord, Community, and all those other fun things. So join us over there. Every other week we do Crappy Hour. We had a real humdinger of a Crappy hour this week because the two judgy girls, Courtney and Mary, joined us and we traded BravoCon stories and talked about some of the gossip that was happening.

Ronnie Caram (4:30)

We.

Ben Mandelker (4:31)

We had a huge amount of fun. Go check that out on your feeds. And then we alternate that with Amazon Live. And so we've got an Amazon Live coming up this Monday, which is good timing. It's right ahead of Black Friday, so we'll be weighing in on who knows what. And then we just are, you know, just. That's. That's it. Actually. That's all that there is to really promote. So let's get back to this. The best ever episode of Salt Lake City. I will say this. I thought it was a very good episode, and it was a good change of pace. You know, the past three episodes on this yacht have been sort of at, like, a certain level of, like, insanity. So it's good to have a grounded episode. So I did appreciate that quite a bit. I also felt like it was a lost opportunity for Bravo and NBC to. To air. Is it a lost opportunity to air or a lost opportunity to not air? They should have shown this at BravoCon. I actually think they should have shown this episode. And the reason why is because the way that it ends with Mary preaching and you sort of have this church, take me to church moment that's so big. I think it would have been a special moment if you had this airing in that giant hall with like a thousand people. And I think they all would have been cheering. And as Mary's up there at the pulpit and she's feeling the holy Spirit and she's. She's doing call and response from the audience, I think the Bravo audience would have responded. I think it would have been a very special moment, and I think that they need to think about doing those things more.

Ronnie Caram (6:05)

Well. I think that that would have been fun to see the church scene there. I think it's great that it came out the same week that Mary's cult video was announced. Like the tlc, Mary runs a cult video. And then they showed this return to church. But also this episode, to me, felt a little bit like political season. Like the, you know, the. The season where the presidents, the presidential hopefuls are arguing. Because I really feel like Heather and Whitney are working very hard to get Meredith and Lisa out. And this was like them holding a rally kind of. And it's kind of when I'm not on the same side as all my friends in a rally where I'm like, no, you lying, political sacks of poop, you are not getting rid of my presidents. Lisa and Meredith. I will not stand for it. I will not stand for this coup. And I think that's what they're doing. So it just pissed me off. And everyone's like, oh, my God, poor Britney. Britney is not a victim. I refuse to sit here and take Britney as a victim. I'm not swallowing that. I'm not swallowing it and I'm not buying it. Show. I'm not buying it.

Ben Mandelker (7:11)

Yeah, I have to say, I was a little dubious about the Britney and Jared scene. It was fun to watch, but, like, I don't know, I got the sense that they were reciting lines a little bit. I hate to say I just. There was something about it that just did not feel authentic.

Ronnie Caram (7:25)

But then again, not a Jared and Britney scene.

Ben Mandelker (7:28)

I know, right? But it was definitely an episode of, like, look at the. Look here. Here's some conversations between people who have problems in their marriages. And the funniest one, of course, was Todd and Bronwyn. Only because that furniture.

Ronnie Caram (7:42)

I don't.

Ben Mandelker (7:43)

I don't think we noticed how wacky Bronwyn's living room has become. I mean, it's just like some sort of Alice in Wonderland gumdrop fantasmagoria that's happening in there. And they're having a conversation about, you know, infidelity while Todd is sliding off this striped couch. It was hilarious to me.

Ronnie Caram (8:01)

Yeah. Her house has always been cray cray, that's for sure. She's very much drag queen energy. And I feel like she's appropriating drag culture because a. How she dresses. And then. Did you. I was watching some of the Bravo clips, the bravocon clips, and there was one where she was on the stage and Brittany was like, ding, ding, ding. You know, she was trying to do a ding, ding, ding. And they were like, who's the meanest person on your. I mean, whatever. You know, whatever shady question it was, it was Bronwyn. And Bronwyn was in this huge puffy polka dot dress, which I'm sure you've seen, and looking crazy, but also very pretty. She looked great. And she's like, oh, oh, Britney, I'm so glad I made you relevant. Like her. She just does this affected, like, lady from the 50s voice where she's like, oh, I'm so glad I made you relevant. And everyone's like, yes, girl. And she's just going on and on in this kind of drag queen affectation. And I don't know, man, I'm just not. I'm just not buying it. Now, that said, not buying it does not mean I don't enjoy being in the store because I think she's doing a great job frustrating the hell out of me. And I also like how she kind of. She's pretty good at manipulating the audience. I have to say, I feel like everyone believes her and I'm believing her less and less. Like, this whole Todd scene I felt was very. Listen, you're. You're married to a grumpy old man, okay? He doesn't want to film, he doesn't want to talk about his sex life. He doesn't want to do that stuff. Now we can have the argument of the man agreed to be on the show, but I think he agreed to do it as long as she didn't do all this stuff that she's doing, like talking about the sex life and this and that. He's visibly just uncomfortable and does not want to be there. He's like a giant five year old sitting there pouting like, oh God, now we have to talk about our sex life with these people. Leave me alone. I'm not eating my broccoli. I don't want my broccoli. I don't want it.

Ben Mandelker (9:54)

He is visibly uncomfortable. And I mean again, part of that is that he's like in his like L.L. bean jeans and like, you know, his Van Heusen shirt, button down shirt while like sitting in the middle of the Beetlejuice house. But like he's like, just get me to my Starbucks bug collection. But yeah, he's, he's definitely uncomfortable. I think Ronwin did great at Bravo Con. I think the clip that you're talking about is where Britney was like, ron win, I think your costume looks great. It's like fashion. Oh, baby girl, baby girl. I have new, I have new couture and you still have the same old line. That's. And I'm just so glad that I gave you that line because it's your same old tired line baby girl that you brought every single time. Baby girl. And Britney's just like, that's so funny. Had a lot of good reads. She also, I just saw right before this someone was like, I'm so disappointed that Brahman took a picture with Gretchen and Brown Brahman responded by saying like she had walked into a room. I guess I don't know if she took a picture with Gretchen or around Gretchen. I don't know what it was.

Ronnie Caram (11:00)

They were in the same, they were in the same signing area. You know how they, they go to those signing events or whatever and they were next to them. So they took a picture. And by the way, whatever you're about to say is going to be truncated thankfully because it's a page long because Bronwin can't just like have a two line thing. You know, this is why Twitter has used to have character limits. But go ahead, go ahead.

Ben Mandelker (11:21)

Yeah, know, basically she said, yeah, I made sure I was in a, like a, like moved to a different room or different space. She was like, I'm not going to be around that. So you know what, I, I applaud her. She, you know, she basically was like, I don't stand with that garbage.

Ronnie Caram (11:34)

So yeah, you know, I think she.

Ben Mandelker (11:36)

I think, which is very well, I.

Ronnie Caram (11:38)

Think to take a picture. And then, and then I didn't actually see the graph on why she wouldn't take a picture.

Ben Mandelker (11:44)

I didn't see the picture. I just saw the comments by celebs. She was, like, responding to someone. So I was like, okay, well, either way, let's get into it. So we are at Whitney's house, and Heather shows up. And Whitney's like, hey, if you smell something, we are. It smells like poo. It does not smell like sea sisterhood in here. Well, I opened up the broccoli to put in the veggie tray, and it smells like shit.

Ronnie Caram (12:11)

Well, it smells like someone dropped a tooth in here. Let's heat up some Mac and cheese. Maybe that'll get rid of the smell. It's gonna add a lot of heart smell once people eat it, because it's Mac and cheese, and that's the nature of Mac and cheese. So Whitney's like, yeah, when my friends are feeling down, I take on a personal mission to make them feel better. So I play I planned a surprise.

Ben Mandelker (12:34)

Potluck for Britney that apparently was supposed to involve bagged broccoli. Because, by the way, when you say you opened up the broccoli, that means you pulled it out from the bag. Well, there's nothing inherently wrong with that, but you're probably going to, like, raise the chances of having, like, fart smell very high. Right? Like.

Ronnie Caram (12:52)

Well, when you see broccoli, you know, starts. Broccoli is a very, very strong cruciferous vegetable. That's why it has the name cruciferous. Okay. Because it's strong. Christ. Like, if you will, and cruciferous. And you can see when it starts to turn, but you're like, you know what? This is broccoli. Surely it can last another week. Broccoli lasts forever. So you open it to smell it, and it did not last another week. It died. And now you smell hundreds and hundreds of dead bodies in your house.

Ben Mandelker (13:23)

Broccoli is. Broccoli makes its presence known. Actually, all those cruciferous and brassicas, they all love to give a big stink. But you roast them. They're lovely. What? Lovely. What Lovely little babies they are once you roast them. But before that, they are awful. Like most babies, too. I'd like to add. I'd like to add most babies are awful all the time.

Ronnie Caram (13:43)

But you don't roast them.

Ben Mandelker (13:46)

You know, I roast the baby, but mainly I do like a meaning. Like, I do a set be like, this baby. So stupid.

Ronnie Caram (13:52)

Yeah, like, figuratively. Wow. Either there's some. There's some bad broccoli in here or some baby itself.

Ben Mandelker (14:01)

All right. Did you mean to be such a stupid baby? You just got roasted by Padma Slobber face.

Ronnie Caram (14:13)

Okay, so Angie arrives With Greek stuff, you know? And she's like, I've not always seen eye to eye with Britney, but I do have a heart. And seeing Britney so hurt, I couldn't help but feeling sorry for her. I am Greek. So she's on. She's on board with this potluck. Also, she's on board with getting rid of Meredith and Lisa.

Ben Mandelker (14:34)

So she's like, okay, yeah, I think.

Ronnie Caram (14:35)

That'S because that's the reason for this. They're like, let's show everyone how fun this cast can be without Meredith and Lisa.

Ben Mandelker (14:42)

Yeah. Or I feel like maybe the producers were like, okay, this may have gotten slightly too toxic. So let's, like, bring it back and do something warm and sweet. So Angie is like, I feel like, to make this fun for Britney, how fun and how excited would she be if we recreated the look, the high body count look, with all her spray? So, yeah, they're all going to mess up their hair, which makes sense. And by the way, it's so funny because when we saw the previews for this, we're like, what is going on with Whitney's hair? She looks like a disaster. I think this may have even made it to a trailer at some point. And when he's hair is like, up. And we're like, God, Whitney is a disaster this season. Little did we realize it was part of a high body count hair challenge. Or eventually.

Ronnie Caram (15:26)

That's the best thing about Salt Lake City. When they show the previews and they're all fighting in crazy outfits. Every scene is like a different costume, you know? Yeah. So Heather's like, I'm in, but just make me look cool. And she's like, well, Heather, we don't have much to do with you. It's a version of this hair, just bigger. And she's like, really? A version of my hair? Really? Calling me high body count hair. The only person I've made love to all year is Captain Jason. Wait, we didn't make love. We did. We did it. We didn't. We did. We didn't. You guess what? Did you see the thing with Heather and Jason? The clips of Heather and Jason at.

Ben Mandelker (16:02)

Brahma still going on.

Ronnie Caram (16:04)

Someone's interviewing her and being like, so what's this? What's this with you claiming to have banged Captain Jason? And she's like, nothing happened. The thing is, we were just on this trip and we spent so much time together and it was so fun and we got so close. And Whitney's like, but there's Captain Jason right over there. What a Condincadence, where they can think of the line. So Jason comes over, and the lady's like, so, did you fuck Heather or not? And he's like, oh, I just looked aside. Nothing happened. She's like, oh, really? So that's what you say to all the girls? Just. That's what you call nothing happening? Well, I guess that I'm just gonna be the sacrificial lamb for Captain Jason to deny everything with multiple girls. And he was like, whatever. So he's like, yeah, nothing happened. But I had a great time with these ladies.

Ben Mandelker (16:54)

And.

Ronnie Caram (16:55)

And then they walk on to the next person on the red carpet, and you can see Heather grabbing his wrist and him, like, shaking her hand off of his wrist. Oh, God.

Ben Mandelker (17:04)

The first. The. This is a direct call back to the black eye. When she was so slippery about the black eye. When she was like, well, I don't want to let everyone know what I did know. But, like, her story kept on changing. That's what this is like. You know, last week I talked about this, and I think even though I felt like I went on my way to say I'm not calling Heather ugly, a lot of people still felt like I was saying that she was too unattractive to land Captain. Captain Jason. I 100 do not believe that. And I'm sorry that that's how it came out. What I meant is that she was pulling some George glass. Like, oh, my God, he's so into me. It's like, he's the captain. He's not. Like, this doesn't happen. I just don't see it happening, Heather. But she keeps on alluding to it in a way, and she's, like, drawing this out. You're like, okay, all right. Okay. He. All right, go on. Just have fun with this.

Ronnie Caram (17:57)

She is. I just want to clear that up. Embarrassed. I'm embarrassed for her. Just stop. Just stop. You know, and then him on the red carpet denying it, and her being like, I'm the sacrificial lamp. Just make it stop. So Mary comes, and she refuses to get her hair teased. She's like, yeah, I'm not doing that.

Ben Mandelker (18:15)

Yeah, you're not.

Ronnie Caram (18:15)

I don't like this person. Yeah, you're not touching my hair. So Britney's coming, and so they all hide. Cause it's like a surprise. Like, surprise. We had a fart smell party for you to walk into this human waste party smell.

Ben Mandelker (18:31)

She's so excited. She's so excited that they just did something for her. She's like, oh, my God. I'M so touched. You know, I often say, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. What about me? You know how I always do that? Isn't that so funny? It's like my tagline, isn't that so funny? But guess what? Today is all about me. This is exactly what the doctor ordered for me, is to have all the support from the women that I love.

Ronnie Caram (18:54)

Oh, honey, these women all hate you.

Ben Mandelker (18:58)

Yeah. Which is the funniest thing.

Ronnie Caram (19:00)

So Bronwyn's like, yeah, well, I set this up for you. This is a mobile teddy bear station. So you can pick one that you want to make and then we can replace your unicorn. Okay, so pick the one you want me to replace your unicorn with. Okay, baby girl. Okay, baby girl.

Ben Mandelker (19:17)

Baby girl. By the way, I was mildly fascinated by the act of making these, these animals because I've never been to a Build A Bear to be. To be fair. And so I've never seen it happen. But I thought with the Build A Bear they just had pre stuffed parts that get assembled together. I didn't realize they get filled up like a balloon. So to see this, like at first I thought it was a popcorn machine, but to know it was actually like a machine full of fluff and they just stick the, the thing up to like a hose and it fills up with fluff. I was. The process was fascinating.

Ronnie Caram (19:49)

It was also really cool to see them do it just using Whitney's old broccoli. You know, I thought that was a.

Ben Mandelker (19:55)

Really good use of old stuff.

Ronnie Caram (19:57)

So they all smell like fart, which is great to send with Brittany. Yeah, I've never done a Build A Bear either because I'm not a fucking creep. Like what 50 year old man do you need to see? Making a Build A Bear, Jared. But also I thought it was different too. I thought you would get a bear and then you would kind of build it like a Mr. Potato Head and dress it same, you know, give it it's accoutrement. But this whole like it's already all put together. You just fill it up. That's weird.

Ben Mandelker (20:23)

Well, I think you choose different aspects of it and then you fill it up. Right?

Ronnie Caram (20:26)

No, I mean it looked like they were grabbing the skins that already had everything on them and then they were just shoving them full of air, I thought. And then putting a little talky thing in there. I don't know.

Ben Mandelker (20:36)

I'm gonna.

Ronnie Caram (20:37)

What?

Ben Mandelker (20:38)

I may need to do some field research on this one. Everyone meet me at Build a Bear.

Ronnie Caram (20:45)

So Bronwyn's like, yeah, I don't have a happy history with Britney. But you know, it sounds like she really went through it on the plane. And you know, I might have literally kicked it off by throwing the stuffed animal stuffed animal overboard.

Ben Mandelker (21:01)

I mean, is she over 50 and clinging on to a stuffed animal? Yes. But you know, it's not nice for me. So I'm gonna make it up to baby girl and like now I can begin to make amends. And I hope a half ass recording at a bear will skyrocket me to the top of her list of favorite people. Like it did for Jared.

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Ronnie Caram (23:10)

So they're all going to make recordings on these tiny little things that you put in the bear. So she'll have a bunch of talking bears and they record their little things and gather on the couch and we'll listen to these recordings. And Whitney's is like, brittany, you are so strong and courageous. I love you so much.

Ben Mandelker (23:33)

I haven't seen Britney being strong or courageous, but that's okay. And then Angie says, I said, brittany, you have beautiful hair and I love you in Greek.

Ronnie Caram (23:46)

Mine would say, mom, mom, where are you? Is mom out again?

Ben Mandelker (23:54)

Mom would say, remember the steamers. Never forget the steamers.

Ronnie Caram (24:02)

Mine would say, we're going up, up, up, up, because we're golden.

Ben Mandelker (24:09)

So Heather says, I love you and I'm so glad we're friends.

Ronnie Caram (24:15)

And Bronwyns is just like, you're a star, Britney.

Ben Mandelker (24:20)

Bronwyns is total. Bronwyn gave her the one that she needed to hear the most. You're a star. She probably press.

Ronnie Caram (24:28)

Yeah, you're a star, Britney.

Ben Mandelker (24:32)

Yeah, the most insincere one is that. And then goes, I tried to sound like Jared. And Heather goes, mary, tell us what you recorded. Which is funny in retrospect because Heather knows exactly what Mary recorded. Samara's like, no, no, she can hear it. So Brittany presses it and we hear this. And we're like, okay. And we're like, waiting for Mary. Because I think we all know we expect it to sound something like, wait, is this thing on? Like, you think that's what hur going to say? It's just nothing.

Ronnie Caram (25:02)

And she said Bronwyn's like, well, what did it say? And Mary says, nothing. I didn't say anything. Bronwood's like, well, at least it's not a negative recording. So, so funny. And Mary's like, no, yeah, on the boat, I had a problem with her. I had a problem with her. So we see a flashback to Mary and Britney arguing on the boat. And Mary's saying, britney, you're not cool. You're not cute. And she's saying, you're the least Christ, like, person I have ever, ever met.

Ben Mandelker (25:30)

Mary's like, okay, good. So Mary says, I'm being cordial because what Meredith did was not okay. That's. That's. See, this is really the smoking gun here, you know? I mean, if. If Mary hates Britney, Britney just said that she's unchristlike. That's a. That is drawing blood in a Mary circle. And the fact that she's still going to this supporting Britney thing, that does make me think that Mary was. I mean, that Meredith was not just merely venting Quietly to Lisa.

Ronnie Caram (26:03)

Oh, I don't think she was venting quietly either. I don't think anyone's thinking she was venting quietly, are they? I just literally don't care. I mean, I see Meredith act like this on every episode, and then suddenly it's on a plane, and everybody's acting like it's the worst sin ever just because she was on a plane. I'm just. I just don't buy it. I don't think it's a reason to try and get someone kicked off the show. And I think it's crazy that. No, I'm not saying it was polite. I think Meredith and Lisa can be horrible. Okay. I'm not saying that they weren't horrible. I'm just saying it's not a reason for the whole group to ice them out and kick them out. It makes me crazy. And for everybody to act like Mary is some bastion of honesty, like, oh, Mary said it. Mary has a whole documentary coming out about how she treats her. Her cult members or whatever. So I don't know. I'm just not fully on the train. I think Meredith and Lisa are too queens of the show. Not the queens, because I think the show has a lot of queens, and I don't want to see them iced out and kicked off. It's better with them. It's better with them.

Ben Mandelker (27:04)

They're not gonna get iced out and kicked off. They're just. It's just like this is the narrative of the season so far. And as we saw, you know, Porsha, Portia Williams got into some sort of issue on her flight, and there were air marshals that took her right off. So we do know that if there's enough of a. Of a Snickers knee, that air marshals will intervene. So hard to know what the truth is here. But anyway, Mary is. She's being cordial because. Because she's being cordial. And Brahmin's, like, they're just. They just toast to high body count, hair, and friendship and everything. And Brittany's like, I love you all. I really do. I see a car of women that I can respect and trust right here, and I feel safe with. I feel safe with you all because Meredith crossed the line, and it's gonna be hard for me to come back from that line, unlike all the other lines we continue to cross every single season. Like the time I started a rumor that Lisa did just for jazz. But Meredith's line was the worst line because it happened on a plane.

Ronnie Caram (28:14)

Yeah, well, Meredith did reach out to me and she said, I don't know what they're talking about, you know, because she never spoke directly to you. So she was having a calm conversation, she said, with Lisa about you. And she said, I was mad at Brittany. Yes. Was I saying awful things about Britney? Yes. You know, but she did have headphones in, and she couldn't eavesdrop on my conversation. So that's what she said. That is exactly what she said. And Whitney's like, yeah, Well, I thought she was crazy for the scrimming, because this takes it to a whole nother level of delusion.

Ben Mandelker (28:46)

Well, she told me that her and Lisa did nothing to you, so that's what she's saying. But I'm trying to reconcile my feelings with Meredith and Lisa. But, like, where do we go from here? Like, once this party's done, like, what direction do we walk in to get out of the house? There's, like, a lot of things to talk about. Like, where do we go? Yeah.

Ronnie Caram (29:08)

And I think Lisa is fucking crazy, okay? And she said she's not going to be responsible for anything.

Ben Mandelker (29:16)

Wait, when did you talk to Lisa?

Ronnie Caram (29:19)

Yesterday. Like, I'm sitting at a table with her, and it's like she's rewriting history. She's telling me a completely different version of what I physically saw when I wasn't sleeping most of that trip. And I think that she's trying to force me to believe her version of what happened. And I think they're both in the wrong, but at the end of the day, you get nothing for nothing. And when I was sitting with her, I thought, well, we have. Have history. We have sisterhood and shared experiences and things that just make me want to write hard for them. You know, as you've seen this whole season, as I've tried to turn everybody against them in every scene, but I can no longer do that if they cannot acknowledge what they did was wrong. And they have to make amends with you. Britney.

Ben Mandelker (29:58)

Amir is like, yeah, that's the only way that this will change. It might take all of us saying, that is not. That is not what happened. We may have to do an intervention of sisterhood. And Brittany's like, I mean, if there's no accountability taken, there's no moving forward with either of them. Bronwyn, do you mind if I open this up right now? Because I'm making an observation that has nothing to do with what we're talking about at all.

Ronnie Caram (30:23)

Say what you want to say, Brittany. Say what you want to say. You're opening it up, huh? Okay. Spoiler alert. Opening it up. Go ahead, Brittany. Whitney. Whitney, open it. Open it up.

Ben Mandelker (30:34)

So as long as we're talking about Meredith on a plane, here's something that has nothing to do with that. You're not wearing your wedding ring.

Ronnie Caram (30:42)

Oh, you noticed, did you? Wow. Did you? Yeah, I'm not wearing it. I'm not. I'm not. Yeah. So here's what happened. You know, Whitney knows that Todd left the house for a couple of days after we came back from Barbados. And you know, there were tweets, There were tweets. You guys might have seen them. Somebody saw him on a plane and he had a photo on his phone. A photo. He was. He was texting somebody. So. Yep, a girl. Something like that. And instead of just saying, it's not a big deal, here's what happened. I'm an idiot. You know, he was really defensive and I was exhausted, so I was done. And you know what? I was like, you gots to go. You gots to go, baby boy. You gots to go.

Ben Mandelker (31:18)

I feel terrible for Bronwyn. Last year she opened up to the sisterhood to about the vulnerabilities in her marriage and it doesn't seem to be improving. Oh, God, I feel terrible for her. And isn't it funny that I like Bronwyn now? Now that she's dealing with so much shit. So do you want time or are you done? What do you think? Bronwyn?

Ronnie Caram (31:39)

Well. Well, I haven't spoken to him for a few days and he was texting me. He wanted to talk. He wanted to talk, you know. And you know what? I stayed with it because I said I needed time, so I stayed with that. But you know what? What embarrasses me, it's the humiliation and you know, it's the secrecy because you know what? It's not a marriage ending conversation, but it is a life changing one. And to be able. It isn't working and I want a different thing. And Todd and I don't have an arrangement. But if we did have an arrangement, you know what? I would be an adult and I would talk about it. I would have an arrangement. Maybe I'd have an arrangement. Do we have an arrangement? I don't know. Watch last week's scene and see if you can figure out whether or not we have an arrangement. Yes. No. Yes. No.

Ben Mandelker (32:20)

Wow. It's like. It's like renovating. Renovative, renovative, Reinvent, reinvent me. It's like reinventing Britney's.

Ronnie Caram (32:33)

Like, I'm ding, ding, ding. If you get Rid of some of those rings. Can I have one?

Ben Mandelker (32:39)

I think someone needs to tell Todd about privacy screens. I'm not encouraging his activity. But first, you were caught dming with a woman by your stepdaughter because you were doing it on an iPad, which is a larger screen than a phone, and you did it. And you're. And your stepdaughter saw you doing it because you're sitting there on the couch. You didn't realize. Now you're on a plane and doing the same thing. Sir, you have to be better at this. If you're gonna. If you're gonna be flirting. If you're gonna be flirting and cheating, you at least gotta, like. At least attempt to be discreet about it. But, like, he keeps getting caught in the. In, like, very obvious ways. What is wrong with him?

Ronnie Caram (33:20)

Messaging. Never trust it. Never trust it. And get some Snapchat. I mean, that shit disappears, right? Isn't that the point of that?

Ben Mandelker (33:28)

But no, the problem was that he was like. But he was texting, like, a woman on. He was sitting on his. On a flight. And I think we all know. Okay. That when you're sitting on a flight and you look through the cracks of the seats and you see someone texting, you're gonna see like. Like, I'm gonna look like I'm looking.

Ronnie Caram (33:47)

Yeah.

Ben Mandelker (33:47)

I don't really care what they're texting, but I'm always like, what's going on over there? I got nothing else to do. I want to read what you're writing to Nancy. Oh, did you water those plants? Because as far as I could tell, this person is very concerned about it. You better get on those plants. No. So I'm always gonna be like. And especially if you're someone who's known. Honestly, if you're known, like, someone's gonna. If you're texting and they have view of your screen, they're gonna. They're gonna take a look.

Ronnie Caram (34:12)

Yeah. So next we go to a real fun scene. Mary and Robert Jr. Pulling up to her church. I think it's time to put Robert Jr. To bed. As far as the show goes, I don't know that we need to keep dragging Robert Jr. Out. Something is clearly wrong. I mean, we know that he's got problems. He's in jail again right now. Did you know that?

Ben Mandelker (34:30)

Yeah.

Ronnie Caram (34:31)

Or he got arrested.

Ben Mandelker (34:32)

He's, like, out day nine or 10.

Ronnie Caram (34:34)

I think he's just not healthy enough to be on tv. Like, we just need to take him off. So they go into the church and they've Renovated. And Mary is like, wow. It's like opening the doors to a new home.

Ben Mandelker (34:44)

Home.

Ronnie Caram (34:44)

And there's no place like home. And, you know, we know how that turned out. Wizard of Oz. Someone got a house dropped on them. You know, that's not the thing you want to be quoting when you walk into a church. So she got.

Ben Mandelker (34:56)

Also got a major movie franchise and Wicked for Good, in theaters this Friday. Everyone. I'm just kidding. We have no time to that. I know some people, like, wait, they go to bravocon. Next thing you know, they start spouting off NBCU bullshit.

Ronnie Caram (35:15)

So she's checking it out. Robert. They're both in red, which I guess is their church color. He's even got red Timberlands on, which are nice. And so they come in and check out the church. And he's like, wow, you're just a natural interior designer, Mom. Wow. She's like, yeah, you know, and sometimes I can be critical, you know. You want to sit in our seats? Let's make sure nails aren't still coming out of these. Okay?

Ben Mandelker (35:38)

No, that's how I was thinking the entire time. Like, what. What? Nails are poking through those cushions because I am not convinced that they've all been taken care of. That's a lot of cushions and a lot of nails.

Ronnie Caram (35:49)

Now that this cult documentary is coming out, I'm wondering if it's just built into the seats, like, to give people the stigmata. You know.

Ben Mandelker (35:59)

You just get so suspense. Are they still stigmata if they, like, happen in your back?

Ronnie Caram (36:06)

Well, he was nailed all over the place. Like, you can be holding a Bible or something, and then you nails pop out and puncture you and then disappear really quick, and you're like, oh, my God, it's a miracle.

Ben Mandelker (36:18)

So, Robert, they have a. They have a very nice and frank conversation about his struggles. He talked about having gone to Malibu, to rehab in Malibu and learning about higher power, having a higher power, and that other people are struggling with it and how he wasn't. He didn't really talk about spirituality with other people who are in rehab. And Mary's like, well, but you have to. That's actually when you have to, because, like, you don't want to go dark on people when they sort of need that. And Mary's just talking about trying to sort of help him get out of his loop. And, you know, it's. It's really. It's. It's very heartbreaking to watch knowing that he's in jail right now, knowing that he's. He's in a Real, Real deep struggle. Like, it's a very scary struggle that I think we're all hoping he's able to pull out of. But, like, it's. It's.

Ronnie Caram (37:13)

It's.

Ben Mandelker (37:14)

It's very concerning.

Ronnie Caram (37:15)

Yeah. And she's like, you know, I'm gonna open the church back up, and she's inviting her friend group, and she's like, I've just never seen a group of women who act like little kids. I've just never seen it. And I'm just like, you need God. And then Lisa's pop. Wait, you need God? And Lisa's face pop up. Whatever. Whatever faces were popping up. She was saying, like, you need God. You need help. You need Jesus. You need the Lord. And then at some point, she says, and you need your mind back. And it pops up. Lisa's face.

Ben Mandelker (37:46)

Yeah, it was hilarious. So now this is. By the way, this is an episode of Serious Conversations between People, which It's. It actually was good tv because they were, like. They felt very real. So here comes one that was pretty intense, and it's Lisa and John Barlow. And Lisa's like, oh, my God, I'm so excited to see how this dynamic with Jack and Henry is. When Jack gets back, I feel like they'll get along so well, and I'm so excited that we're gonna have a scene talking about our children and nothing but our children. Okay, your turn to talk, John.

Ronnie Caram (38:19)

Yeah, I don't know, because when I came back, I was still a dick to my brother, so who knows? I'm just like, oh, you. Yeah, you're like a douchebag. You were like a douchebag, right?

Ben Mandelker (38:29)

Yeah.

Ronnie Caram (38:29)

Yeah. You know what? You irritated me so bad the other day in the car. You, like, really irritated me, John.

Ben Mandelker (38:36)

Which time?

Ronnie Caram (38:37)

Yeah, like, when I was trying to, like, tell Henry my thoughts.

Ben Mandelker (38:40)

Oh, were you telling Henry your thoughts, or were you telling him how to think? Slash throwing mother the new watch I gave you out the window.

Ronnie Caram (38:47)

Yeah, but, like, I was telling him my thoughts. Okay. And then you were like, oh, you should say it like it is. You should say it like this. You should say it like this and stop saying it like that. That just bugged me so bad, John. It bugged me real bad.

Ben Mandelker (39:01)

Yeah, things are, like, off with. With John. So I gave Henry advice, and then John corrected how I gave him advice, and I'm like a grown woman. I'm a mom. I'm someone who goes to parties with, like, Blake Lively and Ben Affleck, and I don't want to be corrupted with how I speak to Henry, but it's, like, not about, like, one specific instance or one specific thing. It's just about the fact that I go to really cool parties, and lately in our marriage, I feel invincible.

Ronnie Caram (39:27)

Yeah. So she's basically saying, you know, she's trying to talk to Henry, which we know how she's talking to him. She's like, no, Henry, here's what you should do. And John is like, no. Well, Lisa, maybe he can do what he wants. How dare you? How dare you come for me? Which is what this whole conversation sounds like. And it's every conversation that John tries to have with Lisa where she can't understand anyone else's point of view but her own. And, you know, most of this I look at as John's journey, because it's like watching John learn how to speak in his relationship, which is crazy, because I don't think he's ever stood up for himself until the past couple of years, because now he is. And she doesn't even know what to do with it, you know? And he's like, yeah, but you have an opinion. And I also have an opinion. And she just blinks, like, what?

Ben Mandelker (40:13)

He keeps smiling, too.

Ronnie Caram (40:15)

I'm sorry, could somebody order an opinion for John? Because I've never ordered that.

Ben Mandelker (40:20)

Okay, I'm sorry. Opinions aren't on the Wendy's menu, so I don't think you can say that. He's like, so should I just not say anything? She's like, no, but I just, like, don't want you to tell me how to talk or how I should be thinking. Like, that's what I do to you, but not. You don't do it for me. I'm the one who's on a TV show. John, he's like.

Ronnie Caram (40:37)

He's like, I don't. He's like, I don't tell you how to talk or how to think. She goes, yeah, you did. You did the other day. And he goes, well, it was probably not telling you how to talk, but maybe telling you from a guy's perspective. She's like, really? I'm going to tell you it from Guy Fieri perspective, because I know him. Okay, you know what?

Ben Mandelker (40:55)

I just.

Ronnie Caram (40:55)

I was just trying to tell Henry to go to Flavortown, and that's it.

Ben Mandelker (41:00)

I think, like, what hurt me is that I didn't feel validated in my feelings because, like, Flavortown's actually, like, a really good restaurant, and I hate when people do that. I'm, like, around a lot of girls that are committed to not Seeing me, like, not understanding me and not hearing me, and, like. But with John, it just feels, like, so much bigger and, like, so much more triggering. She's also in her cowboy outfit, which is in her confessionals, which is, like, very distracting.

Ronnie Caram (41:23)

Yeah. You know what? I want you to see me, feel me, hear me, touch me. Okay. I think that's just Tommy. Whatever. John, since once you listen to musicals. Who is this John? Can I please have my cracker back? My just saltine cracker? Can I have him back?

Ben Mandelker (41:40)

Oh, he said pinball wizard. Sometimes you don't listen. Actually, a lot of times I don't listen. I think, like, 90% of the time, I don't listen what you're supposed to say. Of course I listen. But you're admitting you don't listen. That's not right. I think you guys always put that on me, and I feel like I'm, like, a good listener. Like, for instance, remember the other day when you said you wanted to go to Nicaragua? I said I wanted to go to Paris. I'm pretty sure you said Nicaragua.

Ronnie Caram (42:06)

Paris, John, you know what? Don't even do that. Like, for real. Are you kidding me? You know what? I'm a great listener, and I'm, like, really good at. Like. You're a great listener? Yeah, I'm a great listener. Are you kidding me? Say something. Okay, well, you see, I heard that. I heard that. God, John. So he's like, oh. Oh, really? This is you listening? Scroll, scroll, scroll. Oh, really? Did you say something? Oh, yeah. Scroll, scroll, scroll. Really? So now you know what? You're so annoying right now. You know, I just feel like we used to always have to. We were always on the same page. You know what? And you, like, you didn't even have to, like, finish a sentence because I already knew what you were saying. That's the point. He's never finished a sentence. Do you even understand? That's, like, literally his point?

Ben Mandelker (42:51)

And John goes, well, I feel like you want me on your page, and that's it. Like, if you want to get into the nuts and bolts of it, if we're not on the same page, it's because I'm not on your page. That's the way it feels. You don't see it.

Ronnie Caram (43:04)

Yeah, but I hate that you always put it on me. Like, why does it have to be your page? Like, it's just a page. Why can't it just be a page? Why can't we just both be on a page? Picture this.

Ben Mandelker (43:20)

You're standing on the beach when you Notice something strange. The horizon doesn't look right at first. All you can see is a thin white line stretching as far as your eyes can see. Then the line starts to rise, but it's not the horizon at all. It's a wave, a 30 foot wall of water, and it's racing straight toward you.

Ronnie Caram (43:40)

On the day after Christmas in 2004, a 9.1 magnitude earthquake hit off the.

Ben Mandelker (43:44)

Coast of Indonesia, triggering a devastating tsunami.

Ronnie Caram (43:48)

It struck Thailand without warning.

Ben Mandelker (43:50)

No alarms, no cell phone alerts, no evacuation. In this season of against the Odds, experience one of the deadliest natural disasters.

Ronnie Caram (43:57)

In history through the perspectives of those.

Ben Mandelker (43:59)

Who did everything they could to survive. Follow against the Odds on the Wondery app or wherever you get your pilot podcasts. You can binge all episodes of against.

Ronnie Caram (44:06)

The Odds Tsunami in Thailand early and.

Ben Mandelker (44:08)

Ad free right now on Wondery Plus. By the way, who is telling us, was it on this show or did someone tell this. Tell us this over this past weekend that they were talking to John Barlo and he just like, stopped mid sentence because he's so used to getting cut off.

Ronnie Caram (44:27)

That was me.

Ben Mandelker (44:27)

You were the one.

Ronnie Caram (44:28)

We were talking to Lisa and John and by the way, who are both very nice, you know, so we were talking to them and I was talking to you and I was talking to John. John. And I would be like, so, John, you know, how's the weather? You know, and he'd be like, well. And he would stop. And then I was like, go ahead. He just kept stopping after one or two words and I was like, wow, you literally cannot even finish the sentence. I was dying.

Ben Mandelker (44:53)

We ran into John Barlow every single day of BravoCon and like, the two people and Seth and I'll tell you, John Barlow is when I tell you, this man is such a sweet man. He is so sweet and lovely. And he was always like, hey, guys. And he wrote a little message like, great meeting you guys. He was so adorable. He is so lovely, that John Barlow. I mean, we'll still make fun of him if we need to, but let me tell you, everyone, he was adorable.

Ronnie Caram (45:20)

Yeah. So he's like, you know, you're always talking about feelings and how you feel and this feel, but you don't know how I feel, you know, and all we talk about is business and there's nothing else to talk about at this point, I don't think. And she's like, oh, my God, dude. Like, felt that for real? Do you, like, really feel that for real? Is that Philly for really?

Ben Mandelker (45:38)

Like, what.

Ronnie Caram (45:38)

What do you. Is that Ral. Is it Ral, John?

Ben Mandelker (45:41)

It's like, yeah. I mean, how do you. How do you not feel that? I actually. You know what? My heart broke for her in that moment a little bit, because that's a real tough thing to say if the person that you love says, we don't have anything to talk about, we just only talk about business. It's like, that's a little bit of a dagger in the heart moment. And you can see, you know, when Lisa. When Lisa's, like, really hurt, like. Like, she gets this frown. She gets this real big frown where it really comes down. Like, her mouth really just does, like, a classic frown, like, emoji style. And she, like, looks down a little bit, and then she starts. If she finds. If there's something nearby that she can start to fold, she starts to fold it in her fingers. She's like, wow. And she starts. Like, she starts to fold a tissue or a napkin, you know, like, she's gonna use it to dab her eyes, but she never quite gets there. So she starts doing that, and the producer's like, so what do you feel when she. When he says that to you? And she's like, that hurts my feelings.

Ronnie Caram (46:32)

Yeah, but, like, I don't feel that with you. Like, I feel like we talk about everything, you know, like, you know, like, maybe we're not doing that as much anymore. You know, like, you don't hug me as much.

Ben Mandelker (46:43)

You don't hug me as much. Yeah, I mean, we talk about a lot of things. For instance, hey, did you ever send out those invoices? Or, like, hey, do we get any of those boxes from Uline? Or, like, hey, do we pay all our vendors? You know, things like that? That's business, Lisa. No.

Ronnie Caram (47:02)

Oh, I've made a pie chart, and it's going to show us, like, how much you've talked and how much I've talked. Okay.

Ben Mandelker (47:11)

Well, I don't. It feels like. I'm not sure that is business technically, but it feels like business. No, it's not business. And then we do a PowerPoint afterwards and a conference call, and we're gonna loop people in and put on our conversation, but it's about us.

Ronnie Caram (47:26)

I think we both just feel like we're really not seeing each other right now. Like, right now, you look like a breadstick. Uh, you're literally talking to a breadstick. Oh, my God. No wonder it won't hug me. You know what? Get some arms.

Ben Mandelker (47:38)

Stupid breadsticks. Don't just throw it on the floor like that.

Ronnie Caram (47:45)

So then we go to Britney and Jared at a park, and they see each other and they hug each other very long, and it's very nice.

Ben Mandelker (47:54)

Yeah. He goes, mmm.

Ronnie Caram (47:56)

They both do a deep breath into each other. She's like, oh, God, it's been three days. Three days, Jared.

Ben Mandelker (48:05)

Yeah. Jared and I are still on a break, but I'm still reeling from what happened to me on the plane. And it really means a lot to me that he reached out and is thinking about me. And frankly, it gives me some sort of glimmer of hope that for the future for us, there were cameras. So that's all that you needed to know. So he's like, well, I'm still trying to put my finger on exactly what happened.

Ronnie Caram (48:25)

She's.

Ben Mandelker (48:25)

Oh, with the flight and stuff, which is the reason why you came here. No, I went to Justin's house, and he's like, oh, yeah. Britney's flirting her butt off with Captain Jason and the all sorts of guys that are on this boat and cabin boys and things like that. So he's not even there to check in on her about the. About. About the flight. He's just like, I heard you were talking to other men.

Ronnie Caram (48:44)

Yeah. And so we see a flashback of her flirting with everyone. Like, hello, muscles. Oh, hi. Do you actually drive the boat? Want to do it with me on your lap, grabbing everybody's arms and stuff? And he's like, I was under the impression that we were trying to work through stuff, and clearly we're not. She's like, oh, my God. It's just so confusing. I'm just so frustrated. I mean, okay, I'm not trying to minimize what you're doing here, but, like, I literally thought I went through the most traumatic experience of my life, and you're not even here to talk to me about that. You're here to ask me about flirting with boys.

Ben Mandelker (49:22)

Oh, no, I care. I care. I'm sorry. I care. I care. I care. But here's the thing. The last two years, I have just.

Ronnie Caram (49:30)

The last two years, you haven't even committed to me. I get it. I get it.

Ben Mandelker (49:34)

Brit, you run every five seconds. What I'm looking for is someone that's stable.

Ronnie Caram (49:39)

Oh, whoa, so now I'm not stable? Why don't you just shake my seat and pull my hair and spill some champagne on me?

Ben Mandelker (49:47)

Truth. You are a ride until it seems difficult. You're a ride or die until it seems difficult or, oh, this might be a problem. And then you are, I don't know, a freeze, a flee, a run. That's who you are. It's like I throw up a red flag and suddenly you want to leave. I don't understand. Like, why can't you just be stable and hang out with toxicity?

Ronnie Caram (50:06)

Clearly, I've laid it out so many times. I want a committed relationship that doesn't make me unstable. Because he can't comm.

Ben Mandelker (50:13)

Can he ever.

Ronnie Caram (50:14)

Stop the mind games.

Ben Mandelker (50:18)

What are we doing? Can we please just cut to the chase? What do you want to do, Jared?

Ronnie Caram (50:23)

Well, you want a definitive answer when you just got off a boat? I mean, you're on a 30 day. What? How's that going? A fast from me, a 30 day fast from me and Osmond. And how's that going for you? Are your bones weakened?

Ben Mandelker (50:38)

So he's holding her coat. So she reaches for it. He's like, no, he pulls it away. Just please let me have my coat. Can I just please have it? I'll take my 30 day break and I'll just go, okay.

Ronnie Caram (50:49)

Okay, if that's what you're gonna do, you're gonna walk. Well, good luck in those shoes, honey. And she's like, wah. It's like big wedges.

Ben Mandelker (50:57)

She stumbles all over the place. She's like, this is exactly why I want to break up with you. Because you took me to a rocky area when I don't have the right shoes for it. I'm out of here. Bye. I'm tired of it.

Ronnie Caram (51:09)

So she walks away, but then she stops on the path. So catch up. And he's like, I'm walking slower because I respect my shoes. So please give me a moment. And the.

Ben Mandelker (51:21)

They're doing this. And like, like they'll. It's like a very serious moment. But then, like, if someone in like jogging shorts goes by. At one point, someone with a bike went by. And I know post production it dinged. I was like, they did not ding in real. That was not a ding dong bike. Post production. So funny having this bike going. I mean, they are.

Ronnie Caram (51:40)

You just see a stop. A sobbing woman standing in the middle of a path. It's like.

Ben Mandelker (51:46)

I was like that. I guarantee that 10 speed bike does not have like the same little dinghy as like the. The little girl's bike with the ribbons on it. But it was so funny. I don't know why it was so funny. Just. You know what's so funny? Because you know how amused that editor was in that moment. That editor was just like, I'm gonna throw this ding, this little bike bell on here. And they're just chuckling to themselves. I'm just like laughing for them.

Ronnie Caram (52:12)

I believe it happened. You know, we're used to Britney. I don't believe it happened. Yeah, we're used to Britney. So to us it's no big deal. But to someone on a bike, you're just like, oh my God, there's really bad weave and tears flowing out of a crazy person in wedges. Just make sure she doesn't walk in front of the bike, you know, bring you our love.

Ben Mandelker (52:33)

So.

Ronnie Caram (52:36)

She walks up there and she just stands there and gets bringed at and he's like, what are you doing? What are you doing? She's like, oh my God, please, I just need a 30 day break, okay? Oh God. So he comes up to her. Finally he makes it up to her and she's like, this is why I break up with you. I'm so tired of this. I'm so tired. And he goes, awesome, Brett, awesome. What? What doing? Brit, what are you doing?

Ben Mandelker (53:05)

I just want to know what we're doing. I just don't know what we're doing at any time. I just want to feel. I just want to feel safe.

Ronnie Caram (53:13)

I just think that's unfair. That's all I'm saying.

Ben Mandelker (53:16)

How is it unfair? Every single time I ask you what we're doing, you're just like, I don't know, like, what would you do, Jared?

Ronnie Caram (53:24)

Well, I would just like to make a decision once and for all. And here's my decision. I would like us to figure this out.

Ben Mandelker (53:34)

Jared never gives me a straight answer to what are we? Where would you see this going? And always some roundabout gaslighting answer that makes me feel like a crazy person for even wanting to know.

Ronnie Caram (53:46)

What do you want? What do you want from me? Do you want to be exclusively my boyfriend or do you not want to be exclusively my boyfriend? I can't tell. I just can't tell. It means like you. All right, here's what I want. I want to be exclusively deciding on where to go.

Ben Mandelker (54:02)

Here's. I have decided that I am going to commit to knowing that you are very confusing. You are very confusing.

Ronnie Caram (54:12)

Okay, well, no answer. That's my answer. That's my answer. Do you want me to be your boyfriend? How about you be stable for a little longer than five minutes?

Ben Mandelker (54:22)

I'm so sick of this.

Ronnie Caram (54:25)

So they. Walking down sobbing everywhere. The wedge broken.

Ben Mandelker (54:35)

You know what I hate about the you are loved thing is that like about nine months ago I was listening to the moth on the radio, which for people who don't know is like A storytelling show that's on NPR and, and Ronnie was on it, that they do local things. Just want to point out, shout out Ronnie for being on the moth. So there was a lady who told just an absolutely beautiful story. She's like in her. She was. She's in her 80s, she met a guy in his 80s, they sort of fell in love and they had this whirlwind five year romance maybe before he passed away. And he would do all these lovely things and among the things he would do is he'd always leave like a note like for her that said, you are loved. And I was just like, oh, it was so beautiful. And I was like, you know what? I'm gonna do that for Dom. I'm gonna leave a little note for him one day that just says, you are loved. And I was like, oh, I can't wait. I'm gonna do that. It'll be so lovely. I never actually did it because I like, I always forget. I kept forgetting to write the little note, but I was, I'm like, I'm gonna do that. I'll do that tomorrow. I'll leave the note. And then here comes Jared fucking Osmond with you are loved in the unicorn. And now it's all ruined. Now I can't even do my romantic gesture that I was too, too disorganized actually do in the first place. But he ruined the you are love thing. And I'm so mad about it because I was gonna do it at some point.

Ronnie Caram (55:54)

I don't like, you are loved because I feel like it's just so non committal. It's like, oh, hey, you're loved by who? You. I was just so, like, you're basically love. Like, I'm sure someone loves you, you know, not me.

Ben Mandelker (56:05)

If you heard, let me tell you.

Ronnie Caram (56:07)

Something, it's an, it's a you are loved. Like, what the hell, bro? You can't even say I love you. We've gone on two dates.

Ben Mandelker (56:15)

I'm telling you, if you heard this story from the moth, you'd be like, that was the most beautiful thing you'd ever heard in the context of the moth. It was so beautiful and it was so sweet. But the thing was, I was in New York when I heard it. So then by the time I got back to la, it was like, like, if I had been in LA when I heard it, I would have been like, written it down right away. But then every time I think about it, I'm like at the gym or something. I'm like, I have to Write that note when I get home. I never wrote the note. I'm like, I'm gonna do it though. And when I do it, it's gonna. It's gonna hit. It's going to hit so bad. And now Jared Osmond has ruined literally the most beautiful romantic gesture that I theoretically was going to do one day.

Ronnie Caram (56:49)

So romantic. All right, so let's go over to Bronwyn and Todd at their place. And Todd is writing on a little post it, you are loved. And then he puts it on the TV over Matlock's face.

Ben Mandelker (57:05)

He's written it on his Palm Pilot buddy.

Ronnie Caram (57:07)

All right, hold on.

Ben Mandelker (57:09)

I'm gonna just. I'm playing Minesweeper on my Palm Pilot. I'm just gonna.

Ronnie Caram (57:14)

If I.

Ben Mandelker (57:14)

If I hit the bombs correctly, it'll say, you are loved. Hold on one second, Bronwyn.

Ronnie Caram (57:19)

So Bronwyn tells us, you know, after I asked Todd for a little space, he was reaching out to me and telling me that he misses me and thinking about me. And then we see one day earlier, Todd calling Broadwin while she's in the car. And he's like, good to hear from you. This is crazy. I can hear you out of this soup can. They should really make these in every office. Could you imagine just being able to pick a soup can tied to a string and be able to talk to whoever you want?

Ben Mandelker (57:46)

You know, Todd, you could have just texted me all this time. I know, but you know how annoying it is to tap three times just to get to the sea, you know?

Ronnie Caram (57:53)

Well, Ty, I don't trust a Morse code. Do you know how many subs were sunk due to Morse codes being misunderstood?

Ben Mandelker (58:05)

So Brahmin's like, well, I saw your text this morning and saying that you want to come home tonight. And I think that if you are ready to come back, I've come down. It's probably a good time to come back, but I do expect to talk about this in person. Okay, baby girl. I don't like it when you call me baby girl. Then we're gonna have an issue.

Ronnie Caram (58:24)

And he. So he's just sitting on the couch with his arms folded right under his.

Ben Mandelker (58:27)

Nipples, sliding off slowly. You know when you slowly slide off a sofa.

Ronnie Caram (58:34)

He'S just looking all miserable because he knows what's coming. He's like, oh, God, here we go. Relationship scene on the telly.

Ben Mandelker (58:43)

So she's so, Todd, what's going on? Moving and grooving. But enough about my bowels. Tell you one thing, Fiber one does magic. What's going on with You.

Ronnie Caram (58:55)

Well, obviously I was really upset last week, Todd. He says, yeah, well, so was I. What do you think about that? So was I. And she's like, well, you were upset too. Okay, I can see that. And uncomfortable with what was said on Twitter. Okay. But the bottom line is I ended up feeling that I wasn't good enough. Okay? That's how I felt. I just felt that I wasn't good enough. Todd, I'm gonna stop you right there.

Ben Mandelker (59:17)

I'm gonna stop you right there.

Ronnie Caram (59:18)

What's Twitter? Todd kept something from me that made me question how important I was to him. Okay. And so we'd see a flashback to last season where Bron was telling the girls that there was infidelity and Gwen caught him texting somebody. But then we don't see in the reunion the clip of her saying, no, there was no infidelity. That was I over. I blew something up or whatever she said. Like, I was kind of. I just got upset and I was over what? Exaggerating. What did she say? She said something like that. And I wish they had included it all for completion to sake.

Ben Mandelker (59:59)

Okay, well, it was like emotional infidelity, maybe. But she says, you know, you start to spiral and think, I'm not pretty enough, I'm not fun enough, I'm not sexy enough, I'm not there enough, I'm not willing enough, I'm not baby girl enough. I don't know what it is, but you just start thinking that I'm not enough. And by my partner's looking for something different. And that is just like, you know, it's not him violating my trust, but it does stir all that up again. And she goes, no, Todd, I am as in this with you as I can be. And I love you as much as a young woman can love an older man who loves to have his arms crossed and is slowly sliding off of a sofa. And I'm as open to whatever would make you happy that is possible for me to do. But if you wanted to do something different or have an arrangement or be open or whatever else, I would. I would consider it. I mean, if you need me to dress up like a life size where there's original, I will do it.

Ronnie Caram (60:51)

Well, look, here's the thing, okay? You and I have been together 11 years. That's about a tenth of my life. And we've had a lot of ups and downs. We've had a lot of leakies, a lot of leaks. But, you know, turmoil, challenges. Remember that time you tried to get me to go pee pee? On pads in the bedroom. That was hilarious. But the thing is, we've always been able to talk through it, and this time, we didn't even talk. I had to go to bed, mess my own carrots.

Ben Mandelker (61:21)

You know how hard it was for me to walk up that little staircase up to the bed with a frown on my face? Todd, that's for the dogs. Well, I use it, too.

Ronnie Caram (61:32)

I paid for this scratch post, and I'm gonna scratch it.

Ben Mandelker (61:40)

Do you know how hard it was for me to get myself out of that big circular ball that was running around the house? And, Todd, that was for the hamsters. Well, it was for me, too, and I liked it.

Ronnie Caram (61:50)

By the way, where are our dogs? Where are they? Has anybody seen our dogs? This is crazy. I like that she is so embarrassed by her dog scenes last year that she's just like, get rid of the dogs. Get rid of them. Put them all down. Or they're, like, stuck in a room somewhere. You know, it's like, keep the dogs out of here. Okay? Let the dogs put. Lock the dogs up and bring out Muzzy.

Ben Mandelker (62:13)

I'm pretty sure. I feel like. I feel. I feel like Muzzy probably scared the dogs away. She's like, oh, really? Whatever. Muzzy's weird voice is like, get in the closet. Entered her into Tia. That. You know, that's just the way it is.

Ronnie Caram (62:27)

So listen, I. Listen, we had to talk the other day. We both came in. Hottest Pop Tarts in the morning. But we. We. I can admit when I was wrong. And I was wrong, okay? I never should have been texting duties to somebody, okay? But I figured she showed me her boobies, I should show her mine. Yeah.

Ben Mandelker (62:48)

So that's why. That's why. That's why I did it. You keep on going because I got lost.

Ronnie Caram (62:54)

I just want you to know I'm very happy being with you in the relationship we have. Check. Well, what I was trying to make very clear is that there's no weirdness or shame around figuring out what works in your sex life. And he's like, oh, jeez, could we stop? I've already. Already got my pinchers on my nips. I don't want to talk about this on television.

Ben Mandelker (63:14)

And I also wanted to tell you I did have a good conversation with Whitney, and I talked about you and I's sex life. That's nobody's business, okay? I don't know why things related to.

Ronnie Caram (63:26)

Me can't be left in this house.

Ben Mandelker (63:27)

Why do they always have to be.

Ronnie Caram (63:29)

Shared with a group of untrustworthy Friends.

Ben Mandelker (63:31)

Now excuse me while I take my oversized Palm Pilot it and flirt with someone in a public space.

Ronnie Caram (63:38)

I don't know what to say about that, Todd. I just don't know. Okay, you know, just to discuss this part really quick, look again. Todd, I think, is a grumpy asshole. If Bronwyn left Todd and was like, listen, I need someone who's going to be more open, be on TV with me, whatever. I think that that's completely fair for Bronwyn to want that. And if she wants that, I think she deserves that. That, you know, like, she can get on my nerves sometimes on the show, but I think she's a good lady and I think she's great on this show, and I think she deserves the best from a man. But I think that what he's saying is, like, we're not. Why are we talking about. Like, we agreed to not be talking about this shit on tv, and now you're going to Whitney and having a talk about our sex life? Like, are you. Come on, man. Like, how much of this. How much? It seems like a lot of the partners on this show do back out of doing it, and they're like, I'm not doing this. You know, this is embarrassing, and I'm not doing it. So I'm not sure why he's not just backing out of this and being like, I'm not. I can't do this. Like, no one wants to think of my FUPA on national tv.

Ben Mandelker (64:41)

I know. Yeah. I. I am a little concerned for these two because I think that Bronwyn has a right to be able to talk to a friend and share and connect. And I do feel like her scene with Whitney was a genuine scene. It was not a scene scene made for reality tv. They were. She. I think she was, like, really trying to connect about this real issue that she's having. And they were. They really were bonding. And that's why so many people in the audience responded so well to it because it was such an authentic scene. So she's fully entitled, I think, to be able to reach out to her girlfriend. I also think that Todd is entitled to be like, hey, you know, when we started our relationship, like, these were our parameters. We kept certain things behind closed doors. And now suddenly this is not only just be like, not only are the closed doors open, they're open and the whole world has come in. And I'm not comfortable with that. That's tricky, too. But also, so, like. So I actually do have sympathy for him on this. I have to imagine that there was a conversation and. Or I would love to know what their conversation was before embarking on this show. When she said, hey, they want me to be on the show. This is something I'd like to do. We're gonna. Like, everything's gonna be out there in the open. Was there a moment where he said, yes, but I don't want to talk about these things? Or did he say, okay, I'm an open book? Like, I'm curious to know what that was like, because it seems like it's. They are not. They're not aligned, and that's gonna be a problem for them. That's a fundamental problem for them going forward.

Ronnie Caram (66:14)

And it's like they're talking so much, but they're not talking at all because we really don't know what happened. You know, there was the thing last year which I've already mentioned, which is he had an affair. Okay, he didn't have an affair, but he did something. Okay, well, maybe he was talking to. We never really found out. And then this year, it's. He was on the plane looking at pictures of somebody. Like, sexy pictures of somebody. Okay. And that was seen by somebody who put it on Twitter. What were the pictures? Who was he talking to? Was it an affair? Was it him looking through an. Only fans? Like, what was it like? We still don't know. So it's really hard to nail down what's going on here and pick a side, because normally my side is automatically going to be Bronwyn's because he's like some grumpy old asshole, and I'm like, well, you're on TV and you need to buck up and stop whining. And also, if you're cheating, stop fucking cheating, you idiot. Like, yeah, I'm not going to choose his side if he's going out and having affairs. My point is, I don't know what he's doing. No one's telling me. Just tell me what he's doing. It's always a hint, you know, I feel like what she does is she hints at something and plants a seed and then lets it grow wherever it is. And then later, she apologizes and says, well, that's not what I meant, and I didn't mean it to be taken that way. And I just want to know the truth. Just tell me. Just tell me so I can rest easy at night. Okay. I don't like not being able to sleep because I don't know whether or not Todd cheated.

Ben Mandelker (67:34)

Mm. Yeah, I think.

Ronnie Caram (67:36)

Could you imagine?

Ben Mandelker (67:37)

That's my Life, Danny, you're like me.

Ronnie Caram (67:40)

What's happening here?

Ben Mandelker (67:43)

I think these two really need to. To need to figure some stuff out, because, like, this.

Ronnie Caram (67:48)

This is.

Ben Mandelker (67:49)

This. This is. I mean, that's hard. This is hard. This is, like her career, and this is, like, her moment, and she needs to be. She needs to be honest with everything that's going on in her life. But also, you know, it's hard. Like, you know, you never want to make your partner feel uncomfortable, you know, and you want to respect their privacy and their wishes, and your partner should always come first.

Ronnie Caram (68:10)

First.

Ben Mandelker (68:10)

But at the same time, it's one of those things where, like, she. She has, like, you want her to put, you know, her partner's wishes first, but he also has to put her partners, his partners, which is first. And her wishes are that she can flourish in this. On this platform that she now has. This platform, this platform, this stage, this world stage. But, you know, it's like, it's hard, so they're gonna have to figure that out. Otherwise, it's not gonna last.

Ronnie Caram (68:32)

Because it seems like she's. It seems like she's coming on this show to divorce him, right? Like, kind of.

Ben Mandelker (68:37)

Of.

Ronnie Caram (68:37)

To me, at least, it seems like she's coming on here to be like, okay, here's all the evidence. Here's why I want to leave this, you know? But then at the same time, I'm like, I don't think she's going to leave him because I don't know. Yeah, she seems to like him, so I don't know. And just tell me if he cheated. Just tell me with who, where, what happened?

Ben Mandelker (68:58)

I just want to know exactly. I want to know what he was looking at, who it was. And by the way, who is. Who's the person who is, like, hot for Todd out there? Just please make yourself known. Who is hot for Todd?

Ronnie Caram (69:12)

Admit it.

Ben Mandelker (69:13)

Who's like, oh, yeah, landed this guy.

Ronnie Caram (69:16)

Yeah. All right. So he's like, well, what matters is we've talked about it and we're moving forward. Okay? Please don't cry. She's like, oh, my God, can I even cry on Grooty Gucci? He's like, I guess you can. It's just fabric, after all. Now, if she didn't leave him after that, she's not going to.

Ben Mandelker (69:34)

I know. So now Mary arrives at her church. The door is locked. So she's like, lenny, Lenny, Lenny. So she comes in. She. Big Joe is there, her cousin. And so earlier we talked about how it's. It's sad. It's hard to watch Robert Jr. Because we know he's actively in real time in jail right now as of this recording. It's really sad because we know his struggle is. Is still going forward, and we. You know, you'd like to think that everything is fine, but it's such an ongoing process. What I was not expecting is Mary saying that she got in the car with Robert, and Robert was saying how he was really excited to come to church. He was really, really excited. And she was saying how they got in the car, and she looked over at him and was like, oh, you're high. And she's like, I'm not letting you come to church. And I was like, my heart just broke because I just didn't think it was going to happen that soon. Soon. Within the same episode, within the same kind of, like, little arc there. And, God, it's so tough. It's really tough to watch. And she says that she's crushed, and, you know, she's just hoping that. She says, I have to keep on trusting and believing that his time will come, and when it does, he'll be ready.

Ronnie Caram (70:45)

So then we see Whitney and Heather in a car, and Whitney's like, well, I never thought I'd be invited back to Mary's church because I didn't think I'd see the day, but I'm so grateful, and I cannot wait to see her back in her element. And she's like, yeah, I mean, I might ask her, depending on who's in the congregation, if Lisa and Meredith are coming. And Heather's like, do you think they're gonna show what they show the church? I don't know how I feel. Are they even part of the sisterhood?

Ben Mandelker (71:13)

And at this point, I was thinking, like, maybe Meredith won't be showing up because we hadn't seen her all episode. And some people online were saying, like, after the airport thing, like, oh, Meredith is probably suspended from filming or something other. So I thought, oh, yeah. Out.

Ronnie Caram (71:27)

Wow.

Ben Mandelker (71:28)

Maybe it's true. Maybe Meredith really is. Maybe. Maybe icon Meredith Marks has been suspended. But they're all. They're all wondering and. And Whitney says, I don't know, if they walk into the church, it'll be like two horrors burning. Horrors burn in church, right? Isn't that. Isn't that a saying? Like, no one sweats more like a. Than a burning in church. It's like. I thought the saying was like. Like, you're sweating more than a.

Ronnie Caram (71:55)

In church. No, you're. She's sweating like a hoe in church. Yeah.

Ben Mandelker (71:59)

Sweating like a hoe in church. But not like the ho, but the horse. Not, not burning.

Ronnie Caram (72:04)

Not burning, Right.

Ben Mandelker (72:05)

She's just like. I think the idea is that, like, you're such a sinner that you're sweating out of guilt. Right? Like, I think that's. But when he is like, horse catch on fire.

Ronnie Caram (72:15)

Yeah.

Ben Mandelker (72:16)

She's like, has some sort of supernatural thing that she's attached to it. Watch out. Watch.

Ronnie Caram (72:23)

So everyone's showing up and Heather and Whitney show up, and Whitney's like, we're going to church together. Can you believe it? So now they're like, oh, my God. None of them have been to this place except Whitney. And Heather's like, oh, my God. Did she give you a heads up? Are Meredith and Lisa gonna show their faces at church?

Ben Mandelker (72:45)

What will happen with this sisterhood? Good. I want to point out that the phrase whores burning in church most directly relates to a biblical passage, Leviticus 21:9, which mandates that the daughter of a priest who becomes a prostitute must be burned with fire. Which is, I think, a very different context than what Whitney. Whitney says that if a whore walks into church, she just burned. Gets burned alive. But I guess in Leviticus it's like, no, if you. If your dad is a priest and you decide to become a. You become a prostitute, then you must be burned with fire.

Ronnie Caram (73:15)

So that Bible is just one happy. Let me tell you the happiest chapter in the Bible.

Ben Mandelker (73:20)

Leviticus.

Ronnie Caram (73:21)

God, they just gave us real humdingers, didn't they? Good Lord. I think we.

Ben Mandelker (73:26)

I mean, honestly, after Exodus, it's all kind of downhill from like, let's be honest, right? Does anyone really remember the stuff that happens after Exodus? Leviticus. Numbers. Hello, Numbers. What's the most generic name for a chapter?

Ronnie Caram (73:37)

Well, Leviticus. I know, because that's the gay marriage. That's the gay. You know, gay man should not lie with man or whatever. I think that's Leviticus.

Ben Mandelker (73:45)

Another reason not to pay attention to that entire book, right?

Ronnie Caram (73:47)

Yeah, just the book.

Ben Mandelker (73:49)

Just give right to Deuteronomy.

Ronnie Caram (73:50)

You know, Leviticus should burn in church. That's who should burn the church.

Ben Mandelker (73:54)

I mean, they have a whole climax that happens on top of a mountain. Okay. In the middle of the desert in Exodus. That's an Exodus, right? It's Exodus. It's like, it's in the name.

Ronnie Caram (74:03)

I scrubbed it. I can't even remember a last season housewife storyline. I'm not remembering Leviticus and Exodus.

Ben Mandelker (74:12)

That's all. And after that, everything is so, like, I can't remember Anything that happens after that, sort of like little stories that float in and out. But, like, honestly, after. After the Ten Commandments happen, it's all just kind of anticlimactic after that.

Ronnie Caram (74:24)

It's all dead to me.

Ben Mandelker (74:25)

Yeah.

Ronnie Caram (74:25)

And so it's all Leviticus to me, frankly. So Brahm was like, well, I was trying to pry that out of her buddy over here, Angie, and ask her if they were coming. So she doesn't know either. Whitney's like, yeah, we don't know if we're coming. Should get our seats. Oh, my God. Here they come, everybody. Here they come. Get ready to ice. So here they come. Meredith and Lisa and Heather's like, oh, we were just discussing whether you guys would show up.

Ben Mandelker (74:54)

What a surprise. Samara says, tells us. I don't know why they're surprised to see me here. Maybe I should be surprised to see them here because I've been Mary supporter, being a supporter, in fact, for years.

Ronnie Caram (75:08)

How did you not know I was coming? Like, how would you not know? Because I'm coming, you know? You thought just you were coming. Why would just you come?

Ben Mandelker (75:17)

At this point, I don't care who likes me, who doesn't like me. I don't really give a fuck because, you know, I'm here for Mari and, like, maybe to have a little conversation with God and Jesus and, like, maybe get some Wendy's afterwards. And that's about it.

Ronnie Caram (75:32)

So they ask Meredith about her toe and she. It is sprained, so she's in a boot. And Heather goes, oh, is that from kicking Britney?

Ben Mandelker (75:42)

She never touched Britney. Neither did I, by the way. We're innocents.

Ronnie Caram (75:46)

Gotta love Heather. Trying to get a little raise in there. Remember when you kicked Brittany half to death? Oh, my gosh. Is your finger hurting from when you were holding that stone while you were stoning Brittany in first class?

Ben Mandelker (75:59)

By the way, who showed us? Someone showed. I'm like, there was a lot of drinking this weekend, but we definitely talked to a Bravo Liberty. I don't remember who. It doesn't even matter who it was.

Ronnie Caram (76:08)

Was.

Ben Mandelker (76:09)

But they're like. They're like, look at this picture. And guess who is staying in across the hall for me? And we looked and they showed us a picture, and it was. It was like a room service tray that had been, you know, when you're done. It was like, put out in front of the door. It was all Wendy's. And it was, in fact, Lisa Barlow. I was like, oh, okay. She is not. Did you see that photo?

Ronnie Caram (76:32)

I did, but I didn't know, it was literally Lisa Bar Lisa.

Ben Mandelker (76:35)

It was. I think it was.

Ronnie Caram (76:36)

L. Just a joke. That's funny. Oh.

Ben Mandelker (76:39)

I mean, it could have been. Imagine I'm spreading untruths about Wendy's takeaway.

Ronnie Caram (76:44)

That's pretty funny, though.

Ben Mandelker (76:46)

I think it probably was her.

Ronnie Caram (76:47)

The church bells ring. So they go inside and Lisa and Meredith take their own seats. And so there. Everyone's dancing. You know, it's a Mary church scene, so it's like very, like, dancy. And they have a full band.

Ben Mandelker (76:59)

Yeah, it's very exciting.

Ronnie Caram (77:01)

Yeah. She has a golden microphone and a bedazzled Bible.

Ben Mandelker (77:07)

I'm excited to see Mary in her element. I know her so well, but because the church was closed, I haven't seen the most important part of her non Greek life. So Mary. Mary gets on the mic and she's just saying that she's, like, rusty, and she's like, thank God for being here today. And I thank God for being saved. And I thank God with my mind that stayed on Jesus. And I thank God that he's kept me, me from another day. Just another day. And God gave me the right mind. God gave me love and peace and power. And this is our place. And everyone's, like, cheering and it's like. It's actually quite stirring. I was, like, getting, like, excited just listening and watching and then people are clapping and dancing. And it is fun to see Mary in her element. We've. It's been so long since we've seen her in church that we sort of have forgotten about this entire side of her.

Ronnie Caram (77:54)

I mean, listen, I love a musical. So whenever the band starts and everyone starts dancing, I don't even care what's going on, I'll be into it. So she's. She's saying that she feels she came into this world to be a messenger, a messenger for God. And she's like, yeah, I don't really plan what I'm gonna say. It just comes to me. I'm like, well, you know what? You might want to start making some outlines, because I'm confused. I need more of a story. I need more of a linear sermon woman. You know, I don't like, just like the. God loves us, we love us. We paid our rent. We're back. Yes, God, we have it. We paid the water bill. Oh, yeah. And everyone's like, yes. So then her next thing is she brings up her mom, which I thought was pretty ballsy. Her mom just passed away. But, you know, for. For people who haven't really taken any deep dive into this church or why it's controversial. You should, because it's crazy. But she brings up her mom and talks about how sad it was that she wasn't invited to the funeral. But you're, like, in the church that your mom considers stolen from her. So it's crazy. This whole scene is just Looney Tunes. And that's why I sign up for this show.

Ben Mandelker (79:04)

Yeah, it was great. And, you know, everyone's like, kind of choking up in the audience, and not the audience, but in the. In the congregation and. And the cast members are. Are choking up. And Bronwyn, they're all. They're all. Also, because we've seen a whole episode of the women going through things, they are now finding some sort of salvo in this spiritual moment. So Bronwyn's saying that, you know, she's been having a lot of worries in her life about her parents and Todd and everything. And she's like, I think I really needed to hear from Mary that I'm gonna be okay no matter what. And I think there's peace on my horizon.

Ronnie Caram (79:40)

Mm, mm, mm.

Ben Mandelker (79:42)

And also some Ovaltine. You know, to be fair. Some Ovaltine. And Mary's just going out. She just is preaching and preaching, and they're all, you know, they're all responding. This is like. I think churches all have one similarity. You're going to go to fill a void because, like, you have a need, and I think you can, like, find joy in all faiths and, like, join all religions except for the Church of Satan. But we do make donations to them, too. Yeah, what they say. What?

Ronnie Caram (80:07)

Just. Yeah, for real. Like, the Church of Satan, if they ask for tequila, we're like, sure, yeah. We don't discriminate. I don't know.

Ben Mandelker (80:18)

The Church of Satan was a real thing. I've always heard of Satanist, but I didn't know the Church of Satan was a real, real thing. And I did not know that they needed tequila.

Ronnie Caram (80:27)

The Church of Satan. Yeah, it's not literally Satan. They. It's basically created to say, you know, morality isn't created just because you're with Jesus. I mean, they're actually kind of a good church. It's kind of a smart response to all the Christians in the world. It's not literally Satan. It's just saying, like, there's religions, you know. Cause religions get a lot of protection from taxes and stuff like that. So it's just kind of a way to protest real religion. But I think they're kind of. I think they're kind of like peaceful atheists poking jabs at regular religion and.

Ben Mandelker (81:05)

That suddenly they need tequila.

Ronnie Caram (81:06)

They drink tequila. Hell, yeah. So Mary's, you know, basically, she preaches to all the girls, and everybody cheers. And Mary's like, bless every single one of them. And Heather's like, wow, the first lady of Faith Pentecostal can dance. Look at her go.

Ben Mandelker (81:24)

And Angie's like, it's a spiritual experience. Oh. One thing we didn't talk about is that when they all arrived at the church, Angie knew, like, everyone. Angie's like, oh, Auntie D. Oh, Paulette. Oh, how are you? She all. She knew all the aunties. It was amazing.

Ronnie Caram (81:43)

So Lisa. We cut to Lisa and she's like, I. I'm gonna die a heat stroke. I'm practically on fire. And then Whitney's like, see, I called it two horse sweating in the church.

Ben Mandelker (81:56)

I have to say, that is two prophetic moments on the show. The other one being the horse that suffered an injury, but it was a toy horse. So Mary is like, says, church is where you find peace and it's what you're looking for. And, like, she just hopes that people get answers. And then they all gather around as a group and they do a group prayer together.

Ronnie Caram (82:19)

And.

Ben Mandelker (82:21)

And Mary asks the Lord to touch their hearts. And they all start going, touch, touch, touch. So it was a. It's hard to, like, recap that whole scene in church because it was just basically like praise, you know, but it was. But it was actually a. It was like a nice episode. It was a very nice episode.

Ronnie Caram (82:39)

I mean, it was fine. But this was not the best episode of the season or of a housewives. Stop trying to attract me. Because then you just get me in here and I'm like, wait, what the hell? This wasn't the best anything. I feel robbed.

Ben Mandelker (82:50)

Last week's was the best of the season.

Ronnie Caram (82:52)

I thought.

Ben Mandelker (82:52)

Last week's was. I thought excellent, but this was a good one. It was good. It's perfectly good. You know, know, no duds on Salt Lake City, but that is it for this week's recap of Salt Lake City. Thanks, everyone, for being here. And catch us on the next episode of Watch what happens. Ronnie and I are going to go to church right now and do a group prayer. Bye. Watch what Crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors. Ain't no thing like Allison King. It's always a party on Allison. Block our ways.

Ronnie Caram (83:24)

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Ben Mandelker (83:25)

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Ronnie Caram (83:33)

Get on the right foot with Chrissy Offutt we never miss her call It's Diane Call Big yay. It's Emily Gaultier Aaron McNicholas she don't.

Ben Mandelker (83:41)

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Ronnie Caram (83:51)

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Ben Mandelker (83:56)

Trot she's our favorite streamer Caroline Peacock.

Ronnie Caram (83:59)

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Ben Mandelker (84:21)

Berg this is Living with Michelle Vivian.

Ronnie Caram (84:24)

I love Aya Olivia Williamson, she sure.

Ben Mandelker (84:27)

Is swell It's Raquel yes, we can. It's Savannah Cast a spell with Shannon Spellman let's share with Sharon Eldridge Darn.

Ronnie Caram (84:36)

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Ben Mandelker (84:39)

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Ronnie Caram (84:43)

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Ben Mandelker (84:48)

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Ronnie Caram (84:54)

With Caitlin o' Neal Put us on a stretcher It's Charlotte Fletcher don't get salty with Christine Pepper can't have a meal without the Emily sides who, what, why, where?

Ben Mandelker (85:04)

And Gwen Pentland Lens Go into the woods with Guy Tubbs Nobody holds a candle to Jamie Kendall Hail the cork master the master of the cork Jennifer Corcoran we got our wish It's Jen Plish she's not harsh She's Jill Hirsch My Favorite Murdo Karen McMurdo She's a.

Ronnie Caram (85:22)

Total knockout It's Katie Manok we love.

Ben Mandelker (85:24)

Him madly It's Kyle Pod Shadley in the study with a candlestick It's Leslie Peacock G It's Lisa H. We're ride or die for Lisa Ryder Baron She's a whiz It's Liz Sarthi Always killing it It's Lola Al Kalani the incredible.

Ronnie Caram (85:39)

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Ben Mandelker (85:48)

For Sandy Maximoska she's the queen bee. It's Sarah Lemke.

Ronnie Caram (85:52)

We cannot tell a lie. It's Sarah tell of son Shannon out.

Ben Mandelker (85:56)

Of a can and Anthony please don't stop. It's solely and pop. Let's take off with Tamla Plane.

Ronnie Caram (86:02)

We're obsessed now with Tessa V. You'll.

Ben Mandelker (86:04)

Always get the full story with Tori Parsons.

Ronnie Caram (86:07)

She ain't no shrinking violet.

Ben Mandelker (86:09)

Coutar. We love you guys.

Ronnie Caram (86:15)

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