#3089 RHOSLC S611 Part One: Crazy Rich Explanations

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #3089 RHOSLC S611 Part One: Crazy Rich Explanations

Date: November 26, 2025
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

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Overview

In this Thanksgiving Eve episode, Ben and Ronnie dive into episode 11 of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC), titled "Crazy Rich Explanations." The duo delivers their signature blend of adoration, satire, and deep-dive analysis as they recap the dramatic, tension-filled fallout from the cast's explosive trip—and the legendary “Vaulters” lunch showdown. The main themes include redemption arcs, Housewives’ conflict resolution (or lack thereof), and the increasingly comedic ways the women attempt to explain away their on-camera antics.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Scene: Post-Church & Pre-Holiday Recap

• Housewives on Hiatus: Ben notes they’re taking Thanksgiving weekend off, so this RHOSLC recap is extra juicy and thorough for Bravo fans in withdrawal.
• Ghostly Encounters: The hosts launch with playful banter about a mysterious white apparition crossing Ronnie’s screen, spiraling into a bizarre thread about haunted pianos, Elvis’s ghost, and chopstick-playing spirits.
  • “Come on ghost, get off your lazy…maybe the ghost will play like Heartbreak Hotel.” – Ben (05:35)
• Season's Pacing: At episode 11, Ben observes, “It feels like we’re just getting underway,” noting multiple ongoing arcs and unresolved drama. (09:53)

2. The Vaulters Lunch – Housewives Showdown

• Lunch of Legends: Nearly the entire first 20 minutes of the episode are spent at Vaulters, as tensions simmer from the disastrous trip.
  • “Is this gonna be a bottle episode?…this entire show might take place around this table, which will actually be amazing television.” – Ben (07:17)
• Redemption for Muzzy: Ronnie and Ben highlight Muzzy’s (Mary) notably softer approach, dubbing it a “redemptive episode.” Even her eyebrows, they joke, seem “kinder.” (08:13)
• Whitney's Fumbled Storyline:
  • Ronnie: “Whitney cannot do a Storyline. Right. I mean, it’s classic Whitney, you know, just bungling every storyline she’s got.” (09:06)
• Feuding Tactics: Ben applauds Meredith’s classic move—dodging accountability for the airplane incident and pivoting to a feud with Whitney instead. It’s “high-level housewifery.” (10:24)

3. The Plane Incident: Blame Games & Gaslighting

• Airplane Aftermath: Each housewife tries to rewrite history regarding Britney’s meltdown and their respective roles.
  • “Do you feel bad that you hurt Britney?” – Heather (33:46)
  • Meredith: “Well, I already told you, I feel bad…[but] Britney does not feel badly at all that she hurt my feelings, so there’s nowhere to go.” (33:48)
• Movie Alibi Olympics: Meredith and Lisa fumble through trying to prove their innocence by insisting they were “asleep or watching Crazy Rich Asians” during the commotion.
  • “I watched two movies, so it was not five hours. Okay, try again.” – Meredith (27:49)
  • Notable running gag: Neither Lisa nor Meredith can recall the movie plot, resulting in wildly incorrect summaries and Lisa’s peanut-allergy tangent.
  • “I think someone went crazy, and there was someone who’s rich, and possibly there was someone who was Asian. But the specifics elude me at this moment, your honor.” – Ben as Meredith (29:09)

4. Global Entry-Gate

• Lisa’s Customs Conundrum: Lisa claims she “forgot” to use her Global Entry at the airport, which the hosts (and the cast) find deeply suspicious.
  • “It’s like a lie. It’s like, so obvious that she’s lying...You don’t add global. Like, you don’t add global entry to your ticket. It’s like something you just have.” – Ben (38:19)

5. Alcohol Storyline Pivot

• “She Doesn’t Remember”: A subplot emerges around whether Meredith’s memory lapses are due to substance use, anger issues, or “hatred in her heart.”
  • Whitney: “Either you have hatred in your heart…you have an anger problem…or you have mixing with substances problems.” (45:57–46:09)
• Bronwyn’s Meddling: Bronwyn is called out for stirring the pot by relaying gossip about Meredith’s drinking, triggering shifting allegiances and fresh conflict. (44:21–48:44)

6. Comic Relief & Housewives Logic

• Sound Effect Mayhem: The hosts highlight the Bravo editors’ liberal use of dramatic sound effects, amplifying the tension and absurdity.
  • “First we had a boom…and then at one point, there was like, a snake rat, like…” (35:05)
• Betta Fish Gifts: The symbolism isn’t lost: “Betta fish are fighting fish. Like my friends.” – Heather (17:17)
• Metacommentary: The hosts constantly break the fourth wall, critiquing Heather's hypocrisy, housewives’ selective memory, and Bravo’s editing tricks.

7. Personal Arcs: Bronwyn’s Citizenship Journey

• Bronwyn reveals she’s not a U.S. citizen and is going through the process, prompting both supportive and tongue-in-cheek commentary from the hosts about jury duty and immigration. (50:14–51:20)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [07:01] Ben: “This episode of Salt Lake City is so good...Maybe Andy Cohen got confused...I thought this was tremendous."
• [08:13] Ronnie: “No woman in America is as hated as Muzzy right now.”
• [10:24] Ben: “Meredith did a classic Meredith thing...start up a feud with Whitney to distract away from it...That’s high level housewifery.”
• [17:17] Ronnie: “Betta fish are fighting fish. Like my friends.”
• [24:51] Meredith: “I was reacting to her very malicious actions, and her reaction was not right time. My reaction was not right time, not right place.”
• [29:09] Ben (as Meredith): “I think someone went crazy, and there was someone who's rich, and possibly there was someone who was Asian. But the specifics elude me at this moment, your honor.”
• [38:19] Ben: “This is like a lie. It’s like, so obvious that she’s lying…You don’t add global entry to your ticket. It’s like something you just have.”
• [45:57] Whitney: “I think it could be one of three things...Either you have hatred in your heart...you have an anger problem...or you have mixing with substances problems.”
• [46:40] Ronnie: “She took door number three.”

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Important Timestamps

• [09:53]: Discussion about the pacing of the RHOSLC season, signaling ongoing unresolved drama.
• [16:02]: Arrival at Vaulters, the symbolic and literal battleground for Housewives drama.
• [24:51]: Meredith’s refusal to take responsibility for the plane incident.
• [28:04]–[31:30]: The “Crazy Rich Asians” movie alibi comedy of errors.
• [38:19]: Suspicion around Lisa’s Global Entry excuse, and the cast’s investigatory antics.
• [44:21]–[47:16]: The pivot to the “alcohol problem” storyline; Bronwyn’s role in fueling conflict.
• [50:14]: Bronwyn’s citizenship subplot offering a breather from the central battle.

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Conclusion

This recap chronicles the best of RHOSLC housewifery: deflection, redirection, and the never-ending battle to control the narrative. The hosts’ razor-sharp wit, relentless call-outs of hypocrisy, and pitch-perfect impressions turn Bravo’s drama into high comedy—making this a can’t-miss episode for any Bravo fan.

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End of Part One. Tune in to the next episode for the recap’s continuation!

Transcript

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

Well, hello Ben Uni. How you doing baby?

[Ben Mandelker]

Doing just great over here. We are about to do our Salt Lake City recap and then we're off until Monday. So that means there will not be a Southern charm recap. Apologies for that. We are taking Thanksgiving weekend off completely. So.

[Ronnie Caram]

But just in case you guys want to know what happened, the guys looked like angels while they were getting ready to fuck over a bunch of women for the season.

[Ben Mandelker]

That is correct. That is correct. And half of them still don't have jobs. So. And by half, I mean all I.

[Ronnie Caram]

Was gonna say, what half are you referring to? The only one on that show with the job is Randy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And Craig sort of on Monday.

[Ronnie Caram]

Craig has a Jerry who does jobs.

[Ben Mandelker]

He has a Jerry.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's sweet, Sweet Jerry. Monday we're back. You're also bringing back marriage medicine to our roster. So we're excited about that. So I can't wait. Can't wait, can't wait. In the meantime, if you're like. But we need content, guess what? There's so much on Patreon. We do bonus episodes. If you've never listened to a Patreon bonus episode, guess what? There's like hundreds, hundreds of bonus episodes out there. And this week was a free bonus. Actually, it was a trailer trash breakdown of the valley Persian style.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, it wasn't free. It was only free for a second because we streamed it live on accident.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, it's been unfreed. It was unfree to the people who happen to be on YouTube that day. But yeah, married to medicine. And then we also did our final dwell. Hello. So, yeah, we still did five shows.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

What do you are about?

[Ben Mandelker]

Some crazy thing just flew across your screen.

[Ronnie Caram]

What was that? Was it behind me or in front of me?

[Ben Mandelker]

Ghost. It looked like a ghost.

[Ronnie Caram]

I hope it's a ghost. I know that it was somewhere in this house and I want to know. I want to meet the ghost. Where is he or she?

[Ben Mandelker]

I have sworn I saw something. But you know, sometimes there are these things, like if you make like an L or something.

[Ronnie Caram]

Where are you at? See me, I've been wanting a go. I'm the only person who wants the ghost. I've been looking for them and they never talk to me or anything.

[Ben Mandelker]

I cannot wait to go back and like, maybe, maybe it was me. Like, I could have sworn I just saw a white thing go floating across your screen.

[Ronnie Caram]

Do you mind?

[Ben Mandelker]

Also, but also like, we know your camera. Sometimes, Ronnie, you're talking and your camera will just give like a thumbs up. It'll just float up across. So it could have been that.

[Ronnie Caram]

No, I think you would have known if it was. I hope it was a ghost. I even the piano I got was from the year this house was built, which is 1956. And so I was like, maybe if I get a piano. The year that the house was built. Whoever died in this house from 1956 will play the piano. I don't know something because you know, no one can. You know what am I trying to say? No one can stop themselves from playing a piano even if they can't play it like me. They'll like sit there and like chopsticks or whatever. Anytime someone comes in here, they start chopsticking or Mary had a little lambing it or heart and souling it. So come on ghost, get off your lazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Maybe you'll. Maybe the ghost will play like Heartbreak Hotel or like switches. Cuz 1956 is the year that Elvis became famous according to my very quick searching.

[Ronnie Caram]

Really well you know the song I practice every day on the piano is I can't help falling in love with you by Elvis. Well made popular by ub40.

[Ben Mandelker]

Also I think would love it if Elvis decided to haunt you. That's such a amazing find for like most people just get ghosts of sad children or like people.

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't want Elvis. I have enough of an eating disorder without Elvis over here out peanut butter banana sandwiches and you know, doing his coke on the. I've stopped. I'm trying to stop all that.

[Ben Mandelker]

You don't need.

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't need Elvis.

[Ben Mandelker]

You don't need Elvis also nagging you. You ain't nothing but a hound dog. Stop it. I'm actually much more than that.

[Ronnie Caram]

No, I described Elvis and I was like. Actually I think I just described my past decade. So I'm like Elvis without the fame and fortune. I'm just, I'm just that one. I saw it too. Was that it? There was something that flew behind me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Did you see? I was looking at a different screen. I swear to God I was on different screen. You saw it?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I saw it.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was like a white. It was like a white thing that flew across.

[Ronnie Caram]

What was it? A ghost of a bug. That's not a ghost of a bug. What if I just have a ghost of a bug? No, it was like a white ghost thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

It could also just be a bug.

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't have bugs.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like an actual. Like a bug that's floated by the camera that look looks much bigger because it's on camera.

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't have bugs.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like this is like the Today show for a bug. They're like, oh my God. Hi mom. Anyway, let's move on. This episode of Salt Lake City is so good. I'm wondering that when Andy Cohen teased that the next episode of Salt Lake City may be his favorite of the season. And then we got last week's Episode, which was nice. Maybe he really meant this episode. Maybe he got confused with the order, because this episode, I thought was tremendous. And in fact, about, like, 20 minutes into it, I was like, is this gonna be a bottle episode? Is it all gonna take place at Vaulters? And I actually got very excited for that because really, truly, for the first 20 minutes of air time, not. Well, not including commercials, we were in or 20 minutes we were in Valters, and I was like, oh, my God, this entire show might take place around this table, which will actually be amazing television. It didn't, but it still was amazing television. I was. It was that. It was.

[Ronnie Caram]

It was. It was good. And I was really, really happy for Muzzy for having a good episode. I mean, Muzzy kind of had a redemptive episode, which I thought was very nice, because, you know, no woman in America is as hated as Muzzy right now. And the. The Real Housewives watching Community, I mean, she's really taken.

[Ben Mandelker]

Gretchen Rossi is sort of up there these days, huh?

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, she's at least got a lot of the country behind her. But Muzzy, I mean, everyone. Republican, Democrat, no matter what you feel about gay people and trans people, everyone agree, can agree that Muzzy's been an asshole. But, yeah, I was happy for her for having a nice kind of redemptive episode where she was somewhat kind. Her eyebrows even looked better. Do you think it was the. It was the kindness?

[Ben Mandelker]

I think so. Maybe she's in the holiday spirit. I know that someone I believe on Reddit, it could have been Twitter, but I think it was Reddit said that they went to a thrift store and they found Muzzy's T shirt, the one that had that frazzled cat saying, everything's fine, Everything's fine. I was like, oh, it all makes sense now. Muzzy graduated. Muzzy, like, found warmth in her hat, and she was able to retire her. Her souvenir T shirt. So the. That the arc has been completed. Muzzy has found warmth, happiness. So good for Muzzy.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, good for Muzzy. Well, yeah, for this episode, you know, we'll see. So we also got to see Gwen, which we don't see Gwen very often. Gwen with her matching mom hair, which was weird, and her gecko obsession, like, I'm leaving you, mother. So that was fun. But, yeah, overall, a pretty good one. And we also got the moment we all knew, which we all knew was coming, which was Whitney's Meredith is an alcoholic storyline, which we knew that was coming. And it was stymied because Whitney cannot do a Storyline. Right. I mean, it's classic Whitney, you know, just bungling every storyline she's got. But damn it, it got out there. So congratulations to Whitney on starting her season one, part two, or, like, second half of the season. Storyline going good for her.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. You know, it's crazy. We're already on episode 11 of the show and it feels like we're only reaching, like, 1/3. Like, we. We just hit the 1/3 mark for the season. It feels like there's still so much ground to cover. So it's wild that, like, we're already at episode 11 when realistically there's probably like four or five episodes left. But then again, we also did kind of like Muzzy had a oh, look, Muzzy is nice now thing. So they're starting to tie up some things and we also had, like, some resolution with Brittany and her daughter. But I just feel like. I feel like the season just started. I know that's crazy to say it, but I feel like we're just getting underway. But also, Meredith did a classic Meredith thing, which is she did not ever accept responsibility for anything that may or may not have happened on the air plane. But what she has done is decided to start up a feud with Whitney to distract away from it and sort of like do this, like, quick patch up with Britney and move forward. I mean, that is a pro if you've ever seen one. That. That's just like. That's high level housewifery.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. I think Meredith at one point was like, why am I letting Britney become the star of this show? I'm dropping Whitney and I'm going to come for the real me, Heather and Whitney, because those two. And I saw an interview with Meredith, I don't know, some red carpet thing or whatever, and she was like. They said, well, who's giving you the problems in the second half of the season? And she's like, well, it's the Shitneys. You know? You know who they are. Whitney and Britney the shit. Oh, here she goes.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's so funny, Mom. That's hilarious.

[Ronnie Caram]

I designed that for her.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's just great. Marriage. That's funny. That's a funny. That's a funny bit.

[Ronnie Caram]

Tell them the one about being a pansexual.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, it's so good.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's so good.

[Ben Mandelker]

That joke is so good. I want to be his dad. Oh, God. I want that joke to call me for advice.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, episode 611, Ladies who Lunch, the sequel.

[Ben Mandelker]

So we are actually driving away from. From Mary's church. This is like. We are continuing. We're picking up almost directly from where the last one left off. We start with Lisa and Meredith in a car. At least. It's like, oh, my God. Are you, like, ready for launch? Yeah, I'm starving. Mayto my toe. Oh, whoa. There's a fly in the car.

[Ronnie Caram]

Look at that.

[Ben Mandelker]

There's a flying in here.

[Ronnie Caram]

Right after I was going over the bug in my house, and I got it. It wasn't a ghost. It was a bug. It was a mosquito. And guess what? The mosquito is now a ghost. Bye, bitch. Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, that follows a very similar arc to the bug that was in Lisa's car. Because Meredith lowers the window and goes by fly, you can't leave.

[Ronnie Caram]

Mary's service was beautiful. Was made. It was so beautiful. It's like, oh, so nice. So beautiful. Yeah. When we first got to the church, though, like, any. Everyone's energy, it was, like, so off. It was like, just so off. Their energy.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, they were basically like, why are you here? Basically. And then we go to Heather's car where she's driving with Whitney, and Heather's like. I mean, they come in, they're all smiles. Nothing's happened. Nothing has gone wrong. I'm like, well, how did you guys greet them? By, like, frowning and crying and pointing fingers in their faces. You guys smile, too. It's called being polite at church.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, they were kind of awkward when they walked in. They were like, oh, my God, look who's here. Oh, my God, they're totally here right now. What do we do? So when he's like, yeah, then pretending nothing happened was what really bothered me, because I think they're going to try and spin it where it's someone else's fault. It's gonna be our fault. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, what do you think is like. Well, if they're. They try to spin it, that's just absolutely impossible. So now we go to Vaulters, and Angie K. Is walking down the street, down the red carpet, and Mary explains to us that after the plane ride, everyone is not forgiving and everyone is not healed. So Lord help us all. So, Vaulters. I wish they had put up a card, by the way. I think it's, like, overdue. A card that said, you know, Vaulter 1920 something to 2021. Or whenever he passed, they did.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, when Walter passed, I think they did. At the end of the episode, I think they were like, we dedicate this to Vaulter. That sounded like a gun again. No, I did a rigatoni Like Valter or something. I think they did an rip for Valter. I hope so.

[Ben Mandelker]

They probably did. They probably did. I just want more. Just want rips. But an rip for Cina Toscana because we haven't been there in forever. Is that place.

[Ronnie Caram]

We haven't. What happened to that restaurant?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know.

[Ronnie Caram]

I miss it. But there are still all the doormen. You know, Mary still has, like, the red carpet in front of the vaulters for entering for all the ladies and all the guys standing outside, like, it's so fancy. They didn't do a Met Gala thing like they did the first time, though. And I think that was a very important part. And Mary also didn't get everyone, like, really extravagant gifts this time. She got them all betta fish.

[Ben Mandelker]

Didn't she do that already? Didn't she already do that? Wasn't that, like, what she did the first time?

[Ronnie Caram]

No, the first time she got them, like, crazy extravagant gifts. Didn't.

[Ben Mandelker]

Didn't she watches?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, like, yeah, I think it was watches and crystal boxes or something crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Let me see.

[Ronnie Caram]

Are you looking at it?

[Ben Mandelker]

A fish? Yeah. On the computer, Mary Cosby. Does anyone have a clip of Mary Cosby saying this is on Reddit? Does anyone have a clip of Mary Cosby saying she doesn't need fish because we'll start a fish family in her stomach? Okay. No, that was not it.

[Ronnie Caram]

So succession music is playing. I don't know why, but we're at Walters. But they do in my succession theme. And Heather and Whitney come in, and Heather's like, I love beta fish. I love betta fish sisters. All of these betta fish are sisters. And Whitney's like, wait a minute. Why isn't this fish moving? They're like, oh, yeah, they don't move. And Angie says, he's a snooze fest. This one. We should call this one Meredith. Ha ha ha ha ha.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so they're all saying hi, and then, then Meredith and Lisa walk in, and Andrew's like, oh, your guests are here. And Lisa's like, oh, my God, I love this. This is so sweet. Oh, my God. Betta fish. Oh, my God. Are you kidding? Do I have to go home with a fash? This is crazy. What do I do with a fash?

[Ronnie Caram]

I love that. Lisa said, wow, you know what, Mary? Like, your. Your service, like, that was so amazing. That was like, so from the heart. When Mary's service was like, you are soulless. What was she saying? Like, she gave them each thing. And when it got to Lisa, she's like, you, you with no souls, with no humanity. You with the long black hair. Satan. I see Satan in you. And Lisa's like, wow, that was really good. That was so good, Mary. Yeah, that was good.

[Ben Mandelker]

Now they're all making, they're making jokes about the betta fish. Bronwyn's like, I mean, a goodie bag is usually a gift for me, not a responsibility. And Heather's like, the more the merrier. I'm an empty nester. Doesn't mean I can't care for a fish. I mean, we are a sisterhood of fish that we keep at home. As long as that fish doesn't bother me while I'm writing a new novel, which I'm writing. New York Times bestseller.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, but betta fish are fighting fish. Like my friends.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was the, that, that, that punchline was the Las Vegas of punchlines. When you're driving down the highway, you see it many miles before you arrive.

[Ronnie Caram]

So before she even saw it, she's like so proud. Every time she gets to the end of a line, it's so funny. Like she does this like, little nose, this nose scrunch and like, wow, she makes her eyes like that. Wow, I did it. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Way, sorry to interrupt. Did you see that, that montage that someone made of Angie K. Doing slow burns? I never even realized. I've noticed that she does them and I always laugh when she does them, but I didn't realize the degree to which Angie K. Will, like, rotate her head very slowly and look away from something, and it is amazing. And she does, like 10 during the scene. She's like, I am looking away slowly and flaring my eyes.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like a camera in your house. You know, she's like a ring camera that just kind of moves. Whatever. Those little cameras are so good. So they sit down and it's quiet, and everybody's giving soap opera looks. Bronwyn is giving, like, the telenovela, like Angie's giving hers. And then Heather's like, okay, well, so wait a minute. Is this Dom from 2003? Remember, everybody? That was a hilarious season.

[Ben Mandelker]

And we get the flashback where Mary told the story about how there was a heat wave that killed 5,600 people but made the best grapes of all time, which I forgot about that.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Heather's like, should I be. Should I be looking for the tears of the deceased?

[Ben Mandelker]

Mary is like, well, I invited you all because this was an important day, and I felt like I needed a group of around me of real friendship. And if you notice the ones that are not here, which is Brittany, I did let her know why she wasn't invited. So five hours earlier, Mary calls Brittany on the phone and goes, I just wanted to let you know that I'm having an event today, and I did not invite you because you told me that I was the most ungodly person you ever met.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's like, well, I mean, I meant that in the moment because it felt like you were super mean and God wouldn't be mean, but it was hurtful, and I'm sorry. I'm sorry. God wouldn't be mean. Have you read the Bible?

[Ben Mandelker]

I think a pharaoh or two would like to have a word like, what? I wore my best suit today, and a frog fell on me. Where'd that come from?

[Ronnie Caram]

God's unhappy. He's like, okay, you know what? I'm pissed off at them because they did something to me. So just go slaughter the whole village. What do you mean you kept a cow? I'm slaughtering you and your whole family, too. Listen, the word smite comes from the Bible, okay? Don't fuck with God. It's not just some nice little mambi Bambi you can push around, okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

God's like, I was just reacting. I was venting to a friend. And I'm sorry that you overheard my plague.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, God was. God was mean. But then he saw all the tweets about him, so then he changed it up for season two, which is The New Testament. So he came back with, like, you know, a little Botox and some fillers, new boobs and, you know, a weave. And then tried to be nice for a season. But don't you worry, there's always season three.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Mary is saying that she's like, hey, you know. You know, Britney apologized and she meant it. And, you know, she's like. And my mouth hit the floor and I looked at the dog and I said, should I invite her? And I was like, give me a paw if I should invite her. See a footage of the dog. And just like, the dog just tilts.

[Ronnie Caram]

His head and doesn't know what to do. So it just lays down. She's like. And he didn't give me his paw, so I didn't invite her. So if I could. I feel like if she could apologize, you know, then we should be able to come together and understand why we're hurt and what happened and, you know, who didn't or didn't apologize. Okay. I love that Mary is trying to, like, be preacher Mary this season and just be sweet and, you know, we're all falling for this nice, kind, new version of Mary. But I'm sorry, you just preached a sermon at church, and now you're coming to this fine dining restaurant that costs a zillion dollars and refusing to invite a girl that you don't like. So please spare me the forgiveness talk, okay? Please.

[Ben Mandelker]

But actually, I think it was good that Brittany wasn't there, because I don't think they would have had as productive a conversation. It would have gone. It would have gone. Left. It would have been like the yacht all over again.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, it would have been about Britney.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah, it would have. It would have been a mess. So Mary is like, you know, we're just, you know, just say, I'm sorry if that offended you. And Heather's. Oh, my gosh, that's the magical sentence. Are you listening, Lisa? Are you listening to what Mary's saying? At least? Like, are you listening to what Mary's saying? Mary's like, is this a fight? Should we be in fight mode?

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I'm just saying that there was no apology. And, Lisa, you didn't apologize to me, and I was just trying to tell you what Mary said, and I was deeply offended. Please, Heather, you chased Lisa around drunkenly on a boat for two days, screaming and yelling that she betrayed everybody with no proof. What does Heather even. All what is ever Heather ever talking about on this show. I like that Heather shows up all innocent, like, I deserve an Apology too.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, and I love that. Like, she's literally the last person who deserves apology in this situation. And Mary's like, wait, what are you hurt about? Because I was hurt that this really great, amazing trip ended up in Britney being corralled off of a plane by us. A sisterhood sobbing. Well, she was sobbing. Not the sisterhood. The sisterhood was laughing. Angie can't even stand Britney. And Mary can't stand Britney. And they were caressing her and helping her. Gosh, that's terrible. And Angie's like, it was really bad. And Greek. It was anti Greek.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I never said nothing happened. And then we see a clip of Lisa, and she goes, I said nothing to Britney, and I'm not apologizing. So. And then we cut back. The editors, they're so good. So then we cut back, and Heather's like, it's called paraphrasing, Lisa. Well, we never even discussed what happened, Heather, so I don't know what you're talking about. This is me calm, Meredith. Just being calm in a restaurant.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, tell me what happened that warranted our trip ending horribly with one of our friends never wanting to be in the same room as you or the same room as you or you, because she holds both of you equally accountable.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's weird.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's weird.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, that's really weird.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know why I was reacting to her very malicious actions, and her reaction was not right time. My reaction was not right time, not right place. And that's all I was doing. Doing something at the not right time, not right place.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, listen here, girlfriend. It was more than the wrong time in the wrong place.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ah. I'm Meredith's friend. I feel like Meredith was beyond upset. You ever have a Beyond burger? She was the burger, and it was beyond.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, yeah. And Whitney's like. But what we witnessed was different than what you were saying because it was like you were taunting Britney and calling her names. Nuh. Meredith didn't even talk to Britney. I did not speak to her once. Not even once. I would say, waiter, could you please pour a glass of champagne over the dirty whore that nobody loves that's in front of me? I mean, is there something wrong with that?

[Ben Mandelker]

She had over the ear headphones and a movie on or something like that. I wasn't really sure what the movie was about, but I saw a lady crawling out of a television that looked like an adorable rom com. It was the ring. Well, I don't know what that is.

[Ronnie Caram]

But it was all in earshot and she could still hear You. Meredith was actually diabolical on the plane.

[Ben Mandelker]

There would definitely be brief moments of peace, and then it would slowly pick up again, and it would crescendo. Could someone let Whitney know what crescendo means? Thank you.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, Meredith has ranges of emotions and volume, and we were in the diabolical and disgusting range for two hours. Oh, two hours or five hours, because you guys change your story, like, every two seconds. And did you see when they were interviewing Mary at Bravocon on whatever carpet they have over there, the blue carpet, whatever. And they were asking her about this fight, and Mary said, no, no, Meredith wasn't yelling. She wasn't yelling or screaming. She was just, you know, spiraling.

[Ben Mandelker]

Did not see that.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, that's why we're all believing everything that Mary says.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Lisa goes. The fact that these girls exacerbated us and made it something that it wasn't is kind of like Meredith is like, well, I vented on a plane to a friend for, I don't know, 30 minutes, 30 seconds. I. It was basically like I just batted my eyelashes and I communicated through eye signals, and suddenly I'm the man guy.

[Ronnie Caram]

And now Meredith, Time changes, too, because before it was 10 minutes, and then maybe, okay, maybe it was 15. Now she's like, all right, well, maybe it was 30. 30 minutes. Okay, well, we were all there. Mary. Mary is saying, we were all there, and we heard it, and if it's not lining up with what she said she did, and we all heard it. I mean, well, then. Well, here we are then. So Whitney is like, yeah, and Brittany's hair was wet, and she was hyperventilating, and she was terrorized for five hours.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, well, I slept and I watched two movies, so it was not five hours. Okay, try again.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, really? What movies did you watch then? And I started cracking up because this is so. This show. And Meredith is like.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, it was obvious. The movie I saw was. Crazy Rich Asians. Yes, exactly. Crazy Rich Asians. A documentary about the rise of income and wealth and wealth disparity in China following the rise of. Of certain things like battery operated cars and special minerals. No, no, no, no, Meredith. No, no, no. It's a rom com. It's with Henry golden called Henry Golding, of course, who is a CEO of a. Of a tech company.

[Ronnie Caram]

No, no, no.

[Ben Mandelker]

Henry Golding and Michelle. Yo. Yeah, yo. No, you were not in it. No, no. Michelle. Yo. No, no, I'm. I'm not Michelle. Michelle, Yo. I'm not Michelle.

[Ronnie Caram]

Are you trying to say Michelle Me? I'M not really sure what you're going.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, no. Oh, Michelle. Yo. Not Michelle. No, no, Yo. Huh.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, there was also another movie, and I don't recall the name of the movie. Okay, then what happened at the end of Crazy Rich Asians?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Are we really doing this? Are we really doing this? Come on, you guys.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I don't remember. I mean, I think someone went crazy and there was someone who's rich, and possibly there was someone who was Asian. But the specifics elude me at this moment, your honor.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, it ended with an Asian person being dragged out of a board meeting for turning crazy. He was very.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, no, no, no. I got this, man. I got this. Okay. There's a big party. Oh. Because a toddler came out with a tracksuit in China. Oh, it's a great movie. Very heartwarming.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I usually remember movies I see. Oh, do you? Wow, look at Angie movie. Remember, Crazy Rich Asians has a really big moment at the end. Think about it. I saw it with my daughters, who, thankfully are out of my life now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I honestly don't remember. I mean, was it something with mahjong at this point? Actually, that was surprisingly close. Mahjong, which, of course, is the name of a very important fashion designer who was featured in the movie. Oh, now she's off track again.

[Ronnie Caram]

Did you watch it, Lisa? She's like, I did. Okay, then you tell us what happened. Then we get a timer of Lisa trying to, like, a timer and a score chord come up on the camera, and she's like, okay, there was this guy. I think it was Asian, but, like, who am I to say? So he goes on this plane and then he stops everyone and he's like, oh, my God, I wanna marry you. Why can't we have peanuts anymore? Because, like, it's crazy. Like, when I was growing up, there weren't peanut allergies on planes. And so we could eat peanuts. But now all of a sudden, people are gonna die. Like, seriously. So I can't have a peanut because you have an allergy? You know what I mean? I don't want pretzels. I don't eat carbs. Well, unless they're Wendy's. But Wendy's doesn't serve pretzels, so why am I gonna eat that? What, are Asian people only into pretzels now? Do Asian people still eat peanuts? Can I get them on this plane? I don't wanna marry anybody who has pretzel breastfeeding.

[Ben Mandelker]

Lisa. Lisa. That didn't happen in the movie. What are you talking About. Oh, sorry. Okay, so he was like, I want to get married at a pond or something like that. The big extra or something like that. And like. But, like, that didn't happen, but they have a big party for them, and Mary's like, oh, is this a good movie? It's like, yeah. And there's, like, synchronized swimmers, and it's, like, very exciting. And, like, it's a beautiful moment.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I must have been asleep by then. I. I don't. I must have been asleep then. Fine. Oh, wait. Then were you sleep talking? Because I could hear it for the entire fly. That was 10. Two hours, five hours? Six hours?

[Ben Mandelker]

Three.

[Ronnie Caram]

I was sleeping. I wasn't sleeping. No one was sleeping. I heard everything.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, that's impossible. I wasn't saying a word because I was either asleep or I was so captivated about crazy rich Asians that I was speechless. So I think you better rethink that, Whitney Rose.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I heard you yelling for five rows in front of you. Well, that is impossible. She was sobbing. Who was. Angie was sobbing. How did you hear that? From where? No, I wasn't sobbing. Britney was sobbing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I admit the movie was emotional. It was very sad when that crazy rich Asian came in and killed the cow. I mean, talk about a crazy thing to do.

[Ronnie Caram]

Who wants a movie to end with an Asian person in love about to get married and then dying from a peanut allergy because Lisa couldn't help herself?

[Ben Mandelker]

Meredith, please stop. Please stop trying to act like you saw this movie. Well, I did. It was about someone who went into a Chinese restaurant and then went crazy. I mean, it's in the title.

[Ronnie Caram]

But she was sobbing. Well, then you should have supported her. You were screaming. You lost it. We all saw the same thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

We all saw crazy rich Asians.

[Ronnie Caram]

I think that Meredith has. Has the right to lose her shit sometimes. Oh, no, not to friends. Not to friends. I would just like to point out again that Heather literally followed Lisa around screaming and yelling while she was sobbing and on the phone with her husband and followed her all the way to the edge of a swim platform where she could have jumped off on a boat. Like, I'm not even denying what happened on this plane. I have no idea. I wasn't there. All I know is that Heather, as the messenger of being all that's good and calm and how we treat friends and how we treat friends is fucking hilarious to me. And the fact that they just let her get away with it every time cracks me up. So Heather's like, well, this requires an apology. Do you Feel bad that you hurt Britney?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I already told you, I feel bad.

[Ronnie Caram]

I.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I feel badly that I hurt Britney's feelings. Unfortunately, Britney does not feel badly at all that she hurt my feelings, so there's nowhere to go. And at the end of the day, you get nothing for nothing, especially if you're trying to watch a movie. You fall asleep during it, and that becomes the keystone of an argument against you. So she doesn't like me. I don't like her. We don't need to be friends. Everyone can move on.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, you know, feeling bad, that's. That's a different. That's different from saying sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay?

[Ronnie Caram]

You feel. You feel bad. That's different from saying sorry, so. Well, I am sorry that she heard me venting, and it hurt her, so. Yes, I am. Oh, so you're not. So you're not, then.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, well, I am. I am very sorry that I said I would ever sit in behind her, because that was obviously a mistake, because she could overhear everything that I was gonna say. So I take her full responsibility for my sitting choice. And that's an apology about seats.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yes. And you know what? I'm entitled to my feelings. Yeah, but you lost your right to cry when you harassed her on the plane, Meredith.

[Ben Mandelker]

I lost my right to my feelings. And then the sound effects go.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like. The Oz went out of control on that.

[Ben Mandelker]

We had so many sound effects. First we had a boom, like, throughout this conversation. First there was a boom, and then at one point, there was, like, a snake rat, like. And then this one was like.

[Ronnie Caram]

And then later on, trying to solve a mystery, like. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love the one that sounds like it's. You're in, like, a deserted towers. Meanwhile, by the way, while they're having this.

[Ronnie Caram]

I like the one where they do that door creek where it's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, someone says something, and then it goes.

[Ben Mandelker]

And meanwhile, while this whole fight is going on, there's, like, a waiter behind Meredith, like, squeezing lemon onto plates. Like, ooh, Yeah, I like that.

[Ronnie Caram]

The waiters at Valters know by now that not even affected by any of the fighting. Well, you lost the privilege to speak about it. Look at me, Meredith. And she's like, oh, well, stop talking to me, man. I lost the privilege to speak. Now, why are you talking about, Like.

[Ben Mandelker]

A little bit more wine, please. Thank you so much. Samara goes, you told me I lost my privilege to speak, so why should I even speak? Just hang on one second. This is time for. It's time for a speech. Okay, Hang me on the four Words that I spoke. I'll explain why I said those words and I'll explain it to this whole sisterhood. I said that because I feel like we got on the plane having your back and whatever happened on the plane, swap that right on its head. And it went to you and. And Lisa looking like bullies and you were mad and you were telling us all to take notes and you left the plane and you left the plane and you guys did not seem upset at all. Britney had to be physically carried to customs by us the remainder of the sisterhood. So for me to say you lost your privilege to hang your hat on the victim, you did. Because whatever happened, the plane on the plane tipped the scales and you are in the wrong. Now the scene is over. Because I had a great speech. Oh, it's still going to go on? Okay, sure, fine. I just thought it was a really good speech.

[Ronnie Caram]

You may have been watching Crazy Rich Asians, but the rest of us were watching fine. Crazy financially stable Caucasian Meredith just shrugs and then they have a stare off and everyone's looking at each other and we hear a couple of booms. America's like, say something. Well, I lost my privilege to speak, so that's fine for her not to give me the benefit of the doubt and to show me grace is wrong and she should be a human being and not be such a judgmental bitch.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. Icon mother. Oh, my God. She just chopped you.

[Ronnie Caram]

I got literal mother.

[Ben Mandelker]

Lisa's like, it's okay for you to be upset. And Mary says, lisa, if I had treated you like that on the plane, would you have thought it was okay? I think that she thought that was a nightmare. I don't know how I'm going to navigate myself out of this.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's not what I thought. I did not think that. No, I didn't.

[Ben Mandelker]

Why didn't you? Well, why didn't you go through customs with us? Tell me. Explain this to me.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know what is so funny? Because I actually have global entry and I should have used it, but I forgot that I had it. It's not funny. It was, like, hilarious because, like, I have it, but I didn't remember because it wasn't, like, on my app or anything. That was so good.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait a second. Yeah, wait a second. This is, like a lie. It's like, so obvious that she's lying. Like, you don't add global. Like, you don't add global entry to your ticket. It's like something that you just have. You're, like, identified as, like, this person. It's not like you don't, like, forget to enter the globe because you're on the globe. So how could you enter it? It's just like, it doesn't make sense.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, this was so good because Whitney is. Whitney was giddy. Like, she, you know, when Whitney solves a mystery on the show, she's always thinking she's solving a mystery, and she's like, yeah, because, like, it's just like, who you are. It's like Global Entry. And then they put a. Like a diagram on her face and started moving it around like an alien ship. And she's like, yeah, because it's not on your ticket. And then they show a ticket on the screen and they circle something. But we had a screener, so it was blocked. What they circled. I don't know if they circled Global Entry or TSA Pre.

[Ben Mandelker]

Probably like TSA Pre. I mean, I will say this, like, largely, Whitney is right. But if someone. If someone else books a ticket for you or something like that, like, it can get left off and then you have to speak to a gate agent or something like that. So it is possible not to have it. But I think if you don't have it, fly. If you're Lisa Barlow and you fly to the scribbling island and you don't have TSA Pre when you get on the plane because it's going to go on both sides of the ticket, you're definitely calling someone to be like, where's my global entree? You have to add it onto my ticket. Absolutely. So, like, this was a bit like. I don't know about that. I think that you were. She was avoiding the pack.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Well, they scan your face if you're in Global Entry, and then you go through the thing. Like, you don't really have a card. Or, I mean, you can have a card, but it doesn't matter. They scan your face. But, yeah, I think she was clearly just avoiding being with the other ladies going through. The only other person that didn't have Global Entry, apparently, was Britney. So she ended up still having to go through this line with Britney. So.

[Ben Mandelker]

But then stayed away from Britney back there. So. So now, like, they go from prosecuting crazy rich Asians to global entries and just like, why didn't you use it? You didn't not use it to stay back with Britney, but then you stayed in line by yourself for five hours and didn't use it. What happened?

[Ronnie Caram]

You know what? Don't worry about it, Angie. Okay? No, because why didn't you stay by Britney? If You. If you were there with Britney. Because I needed space, okay? Like, I had my airpods on and I was listening to Kendrick Lamar. Yeah, I love him. I'm a Kendrick Lamar.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kendrick Lamar. And she just starts laughing. Yeah. No, I love Kendrick. Yeah, I love it. I love. Yeah, I love when he sang the song about cups and like. And like, was in the acapella movie. It's like, that's Anna Kendrick. Oh, that's not Kendrick Lamar commercials.

[Ronnie Caram]

Here comes one right now. Lisa, we were all there. Mary's like, I can't imagine having to sit next to Meredith in that moment of rage. And I'm not attacking you, Meredith. I know you're not, but I love you. You and I care about you, and you were hurt. And I know that she like, well, I didn't have a lot of support at that point, so I don't know, maybe, you know, but I didn't feel your support.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, meredith, we love you. We support you. And Andrew says, I supported you in that moment. I did not like what Britney did to you. And I think everyone would agree. And you basically said to me, if I pick Britney inside with Britney, then when. When I'm. When you're hurting, then we're done. And I don't want to feel like that. I don't want to have to take sides like that.

[Ronnie Caram]

I didn't say we're done. I said, noted. As in, if you take Britney's side, I recognize you take Britney's side. And I will take note of that.

[Ben Mandelker]

But that's exactly what Britney said to you. Lisa, if you're going to side with Meredith, Meredith goes, well, that's not what she said to Lisa. Lisa was threatened, and she said, I'm going to come for you if you don't agree with me. Yeah, yeah. She said, if you're. I'm gonna have a problem with you if you don't agree with me. Are you sure that Kendrick Lamar didn't sing the cup song? I'm pretty sure it was Kendrick Lamar. We circle back to that. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

But you know what? One thing that Meredith did say is that I'm gonna have a problem with you if you don't support me. But you know what? She. You know. Yeah, she did. And Meredith's like, no, I didn't. And Heather's like, okay, thank you, Lisa. And Angie's like, well, it did. It occurred to you that some of the things that. That your friends say came out of your mouth, maybe came out of your mouth. And she's like, Well, I. All I said that. You said that. I said was, show me the TikTok, show me the tick tock. That's all I said. Very.

[Ben Mandelker]

Why does. Why does Mary, Heather and Whitney have the same story and then you have a different story? I'm just trying to understand. I just. Look, it's like Jerry Maguire said, show me the TikTok. Show me a TikTok. Right? Let's stop thinking.

[Ronnie Caram]

Let's stop playing a game of Clue. Okay, you know what? Mrs. Peacock was a crazy, rich Asian. She got killed by a candlestick in somebody's library or something. Okay, Just say you don't like her behavior. And they didn't like that you were upset, because that's the bottom line. Just say that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, and Mary's like, yeah, but it is. But you didn't. You just never stopped. Well, it's just not possible because. Because I slept. I was sleeping. I mean, you all heard. I never saw the end of that very exciting action movie about the crazy people. And, you know, but it put me to sleep. It was so exciting. I fell asleep. And that's just how it is.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, and Mary says, you know, the thing is, the fact that you don't remember concerns me, and I don't think you remember everything. And she's like, well, I'm not going back and forth. And I know what you're saying behind my back. Whitney. So let's not go there. Whitney. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Suddenly she just pivots to Whitney, and Angie's like, she's not saying anything behind your back. I have not said anything behind your back at all, except voicing my concern about the situation. I guess I have misinformation, perhaps. Wait, there's one person that I talked to camera on Bronwyn, who said something to Meredith, who. And then suddenly Bronwyn's in the hot seat.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, but this was. This didn't come out of nowhere there because Merit. Because Mary was saying, listen, I'm concerned for you because I don't think you remember. So that was Meredith, like, okay, so now they're going to pivot to my alcoholism, which I know they're going to pivot to, because Bronwyn told me that Whitney's trying to start this behind my back. Right. So Bronwyn's like, okay, well, I'll tell you, okay, if Meredith doesn't want to, then I will. You and I had lunch, and I talked to Meredith, and I asked for her side, and I said. It was told to me that you said you were seen drinking in the lounge. And then we see the clip of Bronwyn asking Meredith. So, Meredith, were you drinking? And she's like, yes. So Bronwyn twisting it to be like, yeah, it was said to me that you were seen drinking in the lounge. And Bronwyn's like. And it's being said that maybe you don't remember what you said. What? You. You don't remember what you said? Okay. It's like, well, I do not have a substance abuse problem. Whitney goes, I didn't say that, though, while it was implied. It was implied.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Brawin. What were the implications? You walked away with your conversation with Whitney, and she's like, well, you were drinking heavily and you didn't remember. And you said something how you thought my mom's T shirt was really awesome. And I said, sure, I can get you a copy if you want. Yeah, well, because everything is. Everything is fine, and everything has been fine, and it was fine on that flight. So Whitney's like that. You know what? You know how I feel? I'll tell you. I think it could be one of three things. Okay. Okay, three things. Either you have hatred in your heart.

[Ronnie Caram]

Boom.

[Ben Mandelker]

You have a. You have an anger problem. I'll take anger problem for 200, please.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I don't have an anger problem. All right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Or you have. Or you have mixing with substances problems. I mean, problems of mixing subs. I mean, mixing. Hey, wait. Do you think it's fair that based on what I witnessed, that I would assume those three things?

[Ronnie Caram]

I like that. When she gave her three choices, the first two, Meredith is like, no, not that. Two. No, not that. Or you have a substance problem. She's like, well, I'm out of. So I'm out of things to pick. I'm out. What do I do? Like, there was a moment where Meredith looked like, oh, shit. I ran out of options.

[Ben Mandelker]

She wished her luck too much. She. She took door number three.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Brahman's like, look, it sounds like you were wrong on the plane. And I've tried to be supportive of you, and I tried to ask a lot of questions, and I tried to have your back because I thought that was a step too far. And I appreciate that. But then you added this at the table, our conversation. No, I gave her a chance to tell me herself, and she did it. And I never said a word. I never said what it was, and I never said who said it at all. I just said. Brahman just told me these things, but it could have been any Brahmin. You think you're the only Brahmin on this planet. It could have been anyone.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, now. Now I've damaged my relationship with Whitney and I was just trying to help you. Bronwyn gets all mad. Bronwyn? You were the one who took her out and started all this, telling her that Whitney thought she had a drinking problem. This is. She blacked out. So what are you acting all defensive for? Like, now you're turning on Meredith? You were the one these people. You know what? You know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I actually don't think it's so bad. I think. I think that Bronwyn's saying like, hey, just so you know, everyone's saying that you have a drinking problem. You should heads up is like not the worst thing in the world. And I think.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, then why is she acting so defensive? Like, well, Meredith, you know, I. Now you've damaged my relationship with Whitney. Yeah, but Whitney was the one that implied that. So why are you mad at Meredith now?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, that I can't explain. Well, she's basically mad because she's like, I told you something privileged. I gave you a heads up, and now you drag that into this conversation. It's all irrational.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, but. But Bronwyn is notorious for listening to one thing in a converse. Like she did to start this whole fight when she took Brittany to the store to get information from Britney. Went to the store, started asking her questions about people. Well, what do you think of Lisa? She's big sistering me and I don't like it. What do you think of Meredith? She looks like she's having a seizure all the time and then immediately goes, oh, really? Well, she said that you're trying to boss her around and that you have a. You have a. A epilepsy problem. You go into seizures or whatever, which is what started Meredith on this whole thing in the fir. On this ramp, this particular rampage in the first place.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Meredith is like Mary says, well, you do realize you were wrong, right? Somewhat. I was reacting to her behavior. I mean, what more do you want from me? I don't know what I'm going to do with Britney. So that's all I can say for now at least. It's like, you don't have to have the answer. It's okay, Meredith. It's okay. Yes, well, because now I'm going to be mad at Whitney instead, and she's an easier punching bag. So we'll just pivot that way. Great seeing everyone. Good job.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So now they're like, okay, let's make this happy and just make insane ha's everywhere. It's like, So then Angie and Meredith are working out. It's wacky. They're just being wacky. They're a wacky pair. Aren't they wacky, them working out together? And Andy's like, if you can talk, that means you're not working out hard enough. She's like, I do not agree with that.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, thank you. And then. And then we go to Bronwyn at home, and she's asking Muzzy for a utensil. She's like, can you pass me that? What's it called? A whisk? Yes.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, someone who didn't have a baby out of wedlock would have known what that's called. Mother. Do you have to really make everything about that kind of do. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

You should remember it's called a whisk because that's what we tried to have your baby, you know, whisked away and everything. Surely you remember that baby came out, her head was whipped before. Before she could even start crying.

[Ben Mandelker]

Unfortunately, we were a bit too literal on the whisking. We thought when they said, you whisking away, you had to actually literally turn them into meringue. Hey, what can you do? Everything's fine. Everything's fine. So Brahman's like, so I was emailing this morning with my attorney about my citizenship, and Muzzy's like, oh, so what's happening with that? She's like, well, she tells us, surprise. I'm not actually an American citizen. I was born in Brazil, and my parents are from the uk So I had dual citizenship in both. And a few years ago, I decided I want to become a US Citizen and get to vote.

[Ronnie Caram]

And.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I'm just so excited for. For jury duty. I'm like, girl, you're in danger. You're up here. You're gonna.

[Ronnie Caram]

This is a confession.

[Ben Mandelker]

Be careful. Be careful. The last few weeks that they're talking about criminal. Your criminal record, and now you're saying you're not even a citizen. You better be careful with this administration.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, Yeah. I. I was like, I don't always agree with you, Bronwyn, but I will still fight for you. Call me if you need me. But also, it's such an odd time, too, because everyone else is trying to figure out how to get the hell out of this country. Bronwyn's like, give me my citizenship. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Bronwyn. So basically, she's like. She's saying, you know, it's funny because, like, all my siblings were born here, and they all got their US passports automatically. And Lizzie goes. And then we had an oops. Okay, mom, you can't tell me an oops to my face. Oops.

[Ronnie Caram]

They're laughing. But I. I did. I couldn't be the only person who thought, oh, really, Muzzy? Not as judgmental now, are we? Okay, that's right.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's right. Talk about oops. Talk about oops. She did it again.

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