#3090 RHOSLC S611 Part Two: Crazy Rich Explanations

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode 3090 RHOSLC S611 Part Two: Crazy Rich Explanations

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: November 26, 2025

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Episode Overview

Ben and Ronnie dive into the latest Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC) drama, focusing on the aftermath of tense group dynamics, emotional family relationships, and the ever-hilarious eccentricities of the cast. Using signature irreverence and Bravo-savvy analysis, they break down storylines ranging from brutally honest therapy sessions to the saga of a truly horrifying mattress and bonsai metaphors about growing up and letting go.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Heather's New Life & The Infamous Mattress Funeral

• Heather's Office Glow-up:
  The episode opens with Heather showing off her new office, boasting about Wayfair furniture and her "unrecognizable" new life.

  "I'm like, girl, you and me both… Now I have this huge house with my own office, with a pool, and three daughters going to college … three times on the NYT bestseller list. God, I don't recognize myself." (Ben as Heather, 03:08)

• Bird Binoculars & Creepy Pool Boys:
  Heather’s daughters tease her over bird-watching, which morphs into a running joke about “winter pool boys” covered in soot.

  "I can see pool boys … these are definitely winter pool boys. You know, another cigarette on you? Back to the mines." (Ronnie, 03:23)

• Mattress Moving Ceremony [10:21]:
  The hosts cackle about the dramatic send-off for Heather’s old "marital mattress" which is covered in disturbing stains.

  "I didn't want to keep the marital mattress for 20 years because of a sentimental feeling. I was just frozen in time—like my face..." (Heather via Ben, 10:21)
  "Rest assured, these are not sex stains. These are sisterhood stains. Not one sperm was spilled on this mattress." (Ronnie, 12:08)
  The hosts then go off on oily-bodies and TV shame:
  "I'm an oily bro." (Ben, 12:08)

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2. Meredith, Whitney, and the Never-Ending Feud

• At the Nail Spa [03:50]:
  Meredith refuses to remove her boots for a pedicure and bemoans lack of support from Heather and Whitney.

  "She was the judge and jury. She was the screenwriter of Crazy Rich Asian People. Just Asians." (Meredith via Ben, 04:14)

• Mental Health Rumors:
  Meredith is furious that Whitney is questioning her mental health:

  "Why is she sitting there trying to judge me, my mental health and my drinking? These are damaging false rumors." (Meredith via Ronnie, 04:54)

• Whitney’s Armchair Diagnosis [13:27]:
  Heather and Whitney muse on Meredith allegedly blacking out, triggering memories of Heather’s dad.

  "When someone blacks out, it's usually a combination of drugs or alcohol or a bad combination of prescriptions." (Heather via Ben, 13:32)
  Ronnie is quick to mock the armchair diagnosis:
  "Sherlock Holmes over there." (Ronnie, 13:43)

• Quote Hall of Fame:

  "She was going to sit Meredith down and have the talk ... but then I wouldn't have gone to lunch had I known that little coward Bronwyn would run right to her like a venomous, hungry platypus." (Ben as Heather, 14:07, with Ronnie correcting the animal fact)

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3. Family Therapy: Brittany & Olivia’s Emotional Reckoning

• Therapy Session [16:14]:
  Brittany and daughter Olivia meet with therapist Ashley, confronting years of neglect after Brittany prioritized her new relationship over her kids.

  "She put all of her time into celebrating the step kids wins, but not our wins." (Ben, 17:21)
  "Brittany ... has learned nothing but to keep her mouth shut, let her daughter say what she needs to say, minimize the damage, and get the f*** out of there." (Ben, 18:03)

• Generational Trauma:
  Both mother and daughter admit to feelings of unworthiness and pain.

  "I spent so much time being unlovable, ... like your mom not loving you kind of does that. Once they get close, I’m afraid they’ll leave me again." (Olivia, 19:04)
  "It's reassuring that you realize what you did was wrong... To hear accountability makes me feel better." (Olivia, 19:27)

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4. Bonsai Family Bonding: Bronwyn, Gwen, and Muzzy [21:01]

• Comic Relief at Bonsai by Me:
  Three generations—Bronwyn, her mother Muzzy, and daughter Gwen—struggle at a bonsai shop. Muzzy is unimpressed by the trees; Gwen wants to breed her chameleon.

  “Muzzy is like, what’s the point of growing a small tree? … I see no beauty. Can I go home now?” (Ronnie, 21:32)

• Letting Go and Growing Up:
  Bronwyn is emotional about Gwen leaving for college and Muzzy contemplating moving out.

  “It’s just hard because the best days of her life are coming up and these were the best days of my life, being with her.” (Bronwyn, paraphrased by Ben, 25:14)
  Debate ensues on parental guilt versus sentiment:
  "You love your child ... that's lovely and beautiful. I just think ... you should be careful when you say those things." (Ronnie, 26:42)

• Memorable Moment:

  “I’m going to Tonya Harding both of you.” (Bronwyn, via Ben, 27:52)
  This sparks a Bravo-wide discussion:
  “That’s the second time Tonya Harding has been used as a verb on Bravo this week … She should be a Real Housewife.” (Ronnie, 28:26)

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5. Britney & Meredith Make Up…Sort Of [30:11]

• The Bridge Summit:
  Britney and Meredith have a tense park-bench conversation to resolve their plane and TikTok-related drama.

  "Thank you for coming here today … I would never want to do that during crazy wealthy Asian people doing things." (Meredith via Ben, 30:42)
  "If she apologizes, I'm more than willing to own my part of it … Well, thank you. That means a lot. I still feel hurt and traumatized, but I am working on forgiveness lately." (Brittany, 31:53)

• Resolution:
  The two agree to move forward civilly, with Meredith shifting her rage from Britney to Whitney:

  "Luckily for you, I've decided to move my rage over to Whitney Rose … I'm gonna move on in peace." (Meredith via Ronnie, 33:36)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Heather’s Mattress:

• “Rest assured, these are not sex stains. These are sisterhood stains. Not one sperm was spilled on this mattress.” (Ronnie, 12:08)
• “I just want a mattress that’s not stained with 20 years of broken dreams.” (Heather, paraphrased, 12:32)

On Housewife Diagnoses:

• “When did Whitney get her psych degree?” (Ben, 05:12)
• “What is she, watching Psych on USA because she like knows psych now?” (Ronnie, 05:20)

On Family Trauma:

• “It’s like, your mom not loving you kind of does that. So, like, getting to know people’s hard, and once they get close, I’m afraid they’ll leave me again.” (Olivia, 19:04)

On Letting Go:

• “Grow those wings. Find chameleons.” (Ronnie, 26:17)

On Housewives Drama:

• “I love that Meredith… always starts a feud mid season and carries it to the next. She’s like a student in college who starts in January.” (Ronnie, 05:47)

Tonya Harding Verb Alert:

• “I’m going to Tanya Harding both of you.” (Ben as Bronwyn, 27:52)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:50] – Meredith’s spa scene and perspective on the lunch drama
• [10:21] – Heather and Whitney’s mattress “funeral”
• [13:27] – Whitney’s blackout theory, Heather’s reflection
• [16:14] – Brittany, Olivia and family therapist Ashley
• [21:01] – Bonsai shop with Bronwyn, Muzzy, and Gwen
• [25:14] – Letting go, generational guilt and joking on family ties
• [27:52] – Tonya Harding used as a verb, Bravo-verse references
• [30:11] – Britney and Meredith’s bridge make-up scene
• [33:36] – Resolution: Meredith moves her grudge from Britney to Whitney

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Tone & Style

The episode is bursting with trademark "Crappens" sarcasm, rapid-fire pop culture references, and lovingly savage Bravo commentary. Emotional moments receive comic deflation, yet there's room for empathy, especially when discussing generational neglect, healing, and the challenges of personal growth.

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In Summary:
This episode expertly weaves satire with heartfelt reflection, capturing the absurd, emotional, and iconic highs and lows of Real Housewives life. From guilty mattresses to fractured friendships and anxious parents, Ben and Ronnie's recap ensures even non-viewers can revel in the outrageous spectacle that is RHOSLC.

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Hi everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. Subscribe so that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that. Let's get right back into the episode. So now we go to Heather's house and her daughters walk into Heather's office and like, oh my God, mom, it looks so nice in here. Where'd you get all this stuff? I ordered it from Wayfair. All from the same price. I was like, oh my God. My goodness. Shills for Wayfair. Anyway, we're gonna take a commercial break now. We'll talk about Wayfair.

[A]

We'll talk about the new things we got from Wayfair. I love that Wayfair. Like somewhere in Wayfair's meetings, they're like, you Know who our people are? Bravo people. Those are our people. Just get every Bravo person in our chairs.

[B]

They got it. Heather says, I can hardly recognize myself right now. I'm like, girl, you and me both. She's like, I lived in a small home. No kidding. Like something.

[A]

Do you have any tips for the rest of us? Geez.

[B]

She's like, I lived in a small home for 20 years, raised my kids there. Now I have this huge house with my own office with a pool and three daughter's going to college in a stack of books that are on the New York Times bestseller list three times over. God, I don't recognize myself.

[A]

I even have bird binoculars now. Look, Daughters. And she has binoculars on her desk. And they're like, that's kind of creepy. She's like, no, it's fulfilling and rewarding. I can see pool boys. And we flash forward and. Poor thing. I mean, these are definitely winter pool boys, you know? Another cigarette on you. Well, I guess just get back to the mines, you know, they're all covered in, like, soot. Like, they've been out of the mines.

[B]

I know. They're really going at it. We have tense music, and we go to a place called M. Vince Nail Spa. I'm like, m. Vince. That's very exciting. So Meredith is sitting in a chair, but she has, like, her boots on. It's like, I will not be getting a pedicure on television. You will not see my toes. I'm sorry. You don't get to see that.

[A]

Yeah, I was like, oh, you know what? Is there someone who can do my fingernail, too? Because I broke one. Yeah, I had to do, like, regular entry, not global. It was so hard. Don't even ask. Okay, you know what? So, like, all this nonsense with. With lunch, like, I'm just, like, on the plane. The lunch after the plane. Like, I'm just. It's like, weird, right? Yeah. Well, I'm most surprised, my Heather. I mean, I didn't expect her to take my side, but at least give me some support as a friend. I mean, she was leading the charge against me. Me. She had the biggest problem. She was the judge and jury. She was the screenwriter of Crazy Rich Asian People. Just Asians.

[B]

Oh. I didn't realize that. I was just weird. And quite frankly, not as big of as an issue as Whitney. Whitney Rose. Why is she sitting there trying to judge me? My mental health and my drinking. These are damaging false rumors. And I would like to say nastiness. Desperate about somebody.

[A]

Yeah. Like, when did Whitney get her psych degree. Like, when did she get that? She's not a psych.

[B]

What is she watching Psych on usa because she like knows psych now. Like psych. That's crazy psych.

[A]

Well, from someone who's on every journey from under the sun. From Kenning. Did she say Kenning?

[B]

Hilling.

[A]

Hilling. Oh, I reminded three times I said what I thought. She's like canning from healing to religion or whatever. I think she should focus on herself. Why?

[B]

So producer asked Meredith, how do you plan to move forward with. With Whitney? I know, and I love that Meredith. She always starts a feud mid season and carries it to the next mid season. It's like she's like a student in college who starts in January, you know, like always like one semester off. It's always fun.

[A]

I feel like most seasons everyone is always complaining through the first half of the season. Like, Meredith doesn't do anything. Meredith is so boring. Meredith is just blah. She just shows up and eats and that's all she ever. No. And by the second season, she always owns the show, you know, but she's just that kind of person. To me it seems like she comes on, she's like, I'm going to keep it classy. I'm not going to be down to these women's level. I'm not going to fight and act like an idiot. And then they just keep poking, poking, poking and then she just fucking loses it. And then she never lets it go. It's like once you piss her off. So you've got like five years of pain ahead of you.

[B]

Yeah. Well, it seems to me that they are trying to exacerbate the situation. Britney. Yeah, I had a conversation with Britney, by the way. She feels like emotionally like she experienced like a lot. So we have a flashback and it's Lisa and Britney and Britney is like, I've just been hearing like, what I've just been hearing with you is that like you just don't feel like you contributed to it. No, I don't because I didn't and I won't and I never will and I never have and I don't. She's like, yeah, but like, I just feel like you were like absolutely as complicit as the person accosting me.

[A]

Well, you know what? I think that your recollection of what happened on the plane is inaccurate. And I feel like I was trying to help you, like whether you want to believe it or not, but I was.

[B]

But it was like literally the sixth worst thing that has ever happened to me. In my entire life. The sixth worst, six worst. Okay, that's really high. Like, statistically, that's very high. Like, if you have a top 10 hit, that's like a big deal.

[A]

I feel like I was helping. Oh, no, sorry. That was Lisa's line. I mean, is there anything that you can say that's like, hey, Britney, I'm sorry, You know, anything like that?

[B]

Yeah, well, I did apologize to you and I feel badly that you didn't feel like I was supporting you when I feel like I was with the apology I gave to you already. Okay, sorry, I gotta listen to more Kendrick Lamar now.

[A]

So we cut back and Lisa's like, yeah, I feel like we're in a good place, but like, we're never going to agree about what happened on the plane. But you know what? I feel bad that she was hurt. Yeah, she was hurt.

[B]

Well, here's the thing, Lisa. As far as it goes with Britney, I'm sorry for her. I'm sorry for her as a human being, period. That's why I'm going to be the bear person and move on. I mean, has she been horrible to me? Yes. But do I feel sorry for Britney that she can't hold a relationship, that she struggles professionally, that her hair sometimes looks very bad and does need care of assess. I mean, Angie was correct about that. 100%. Yes. It's just kind of like. She's just kind of like a sad spot specimen.

[A]

Yeah, well, she asked how you feel and I said, you know what? You should talk to Meredith about it.

[B]

Well, thank you. I'm happy to talk to Britney now that I've reframed her as a helpless nobody and decided to focus my attention on Whitney.

[A]

So then we go to Whitney driving a U Haul and.

[B]

Or she calls it, I'm here with a wall.

[A]

I love that Whitney is like so cosmopolitan. She's like, so. She's such a woman of the world. It's like a Whitney.

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

So Whitney is like, hey, lady on the phone, call Heather Gay. And I won't say her name because of course every one in my house went off and was like, who, who, Which. Which Heather? Which Heather would you like to call?

[B]

Oh, gosh. And you have to be careful with that. So actually have that number in my head.

[A]

What if it.

[B]

Could you imagine it actually calls her during the podcast. Ronnie Caram.

[A]

She's like, are you ready to apologize finally?

[B]

This is a sisterhood, Ronnie. You've lost the privilege to speak on your podcast.

[A]

That would have been funny.

[B]

I know.

[A]

So. Yeah. So she called. So, you know, Siri gets all upset and confused in my house, so she goes over to Heather's house because they're going to move this mattress out. And Heather is dressed in a black lace dress and a Chanel belt to unload this truck. And Whitney's like, are we going to a funeral or what?

[B]

Yeah, because it's. It's the death to the mattress. And Heather's like, it's a funeral for the mattress. I didn't want to keep the marital mattress for 20 years because of a sentimental feeling. I was just frozen in time. Like, my face. Look, this is not a mattress tossing. It's a funeral for the life that is now gonna go on forever or is gone forever. One of those two things. Sorry.

[A]

So they move the mattress wackily. You know, they lift it. They lift it off the box spring. And Heather's in, like, stiletto heels or something. She's like, I think I broke the box spring with my heels. Oh.

[B]

And then they're like, moving the mattress out so you can see all, like, the. The body oil stains that are.

[A]

That is deep mattress. That mattress is nasty. And listen, I'm a boy, and I've moved a mattress or two, and they, you know, they're all nasty. But why would you put that on tv?

[B]

This mattresses collect oils. What can I say? I wish I could say that my mattress will look better than that, but I.

[A]

That did not look like just oils. That looked like a horror show. That was a horror movie. Don't put that on camera.

[B]

Different chemistry. As someone who has body oils himself. You know what I mean? Sorry. Sometimes, I mean, mattress looks like that as well.

[A]

Okay, you know what? Body oil all you want to. Don't put it on tv. There are some things you just need to keep to yourself.

[B]

I will never move my mattress on tv because I do not want people to see how that looks. My body. I'm a. I'm an. I'm an oily. I'm an oily. Yeah, it's nice, huh? It's fun, fun, fun. Thought to think of.

[A]

So I'll just let everybody sit with that for a minute.

[B]

Yeah, I said with that. Everyone, marinate in it.

[A]

On this Thanksgiving, as you're all driving home to your family's house, just think of that. You're thinking of basting your turkey. I'm an oily.

[B]

I'm an oily bro. Heather's like, rest assured, these are not sex stains. These are sisterhood stains. Not one sperm was spilled on this mattress. God, does not like waste. And I was a good. I was good in my marriage. It's an emotional moment. It's goodbye to a mattress. I understand.

[A]

I'm still in the oily phase of this podcast. I'm just kidding. So she's like, this mattress has written two books. It's born two babies. It spent 14 years in the marriage. This mattress is finally free. I just went to sleep on. Not stained with 20 years of broken dreams. I just want a mattress that's not stained with 20 years of broken dreams.

[B]

Can we stop talking about the mattress now? She's like, sure. Well, lunch. Meredith was a solid friend for years, and I never have been at war with her or been in a situation where I don't know how to defend her. But now she's put me at odds with the future of our friendship.

[A]

I'm her scapegoat. I realize this. She just has to have someone to blame. Whitney, you're an asshole. Okay, I'm team Meredith against anything. Whitney for sure. But I feel concerned for her because I really think she blacked out. Because sometime it reminds me of what my dad was like.

[B]

That must be so triggering. Another reason why we should be angry at Meredith.

[A]

Yeah. Because when someone blacks out, it's usually a combination of drugs or alcohol or a bad combination of prescriptions. And by not taking accountability. What?

[B]

Sherlock Holmes over there.

[A]

Wait a second. What are the comment. What are the reasons for blacking out? Stuck in traffic. Happens.

[B]

I just realized usually if you black out, it's because a combination of drugs or alcohol. It's like, yep. Or prescription.

[A]

You're on one today. That's for sure.

[B]

Figured it out.

[A]

So she's basically saying it reminders. Reminds her of her dad because he said that he didn't have a problem for years too. And she was gonna sit Meredith down and have the talk with her, and that was gonna be her storyline. But she's like. But then I wouldn't have gone to lunch had I known that that little coward Bronwyn would run right to her like a venomous, hungry giraffe. No, venomous.

[B]

With him. You could do it. You can do it, elephant. Oh, no.

[A]

Again, platypus.

[B]

Actually, I think you just stumbled into that one correctly. Platypuses are actually venomous. So you got it, Whitney.

[A]

That she would run to her like a venomous, hungry platypus. Good job. See?

[B]

No, the wit.

[A]

The.

[B]

Oh. Oh. I was gonna talk to her about it. It's like everyone else. Like, you had time. You had time, Whitney.

[A]

So, yeah, And I love that Whitney. Whitney's gonna claim, like, I was never gonna suggest that you were an alcoholic. And she's like, yeah, I was gonna sit her down privately and tell her I thought she was an alcoholic who blacked out.

[B]

Yeah. Would not have gone over well. So now we go to a serious place called like, purple therapy or something like that. And Brittany enters with Olivia. And they are sitting there, and Brittany is. Brittany tells us something that actually makes no sense, but you would just go with it. She goes, I'm still recovering from what happened on the plane ride, and I'm very raw. But it gave me clarity on what I need to focus on Olivia. I don't see how those are connected. And also, you know what should give you clarity on what to focus on? Olivia. Olivia should give you clarity on what to. On how to focus on Olivia. Like, why do you need. This has nothing to do with the air. The airplane.

[A]

Also, this is your second season and you shouldn't be traumatized a week later after a housewife scene on a plane. Yeah, like, come on.

[B]

Much worse.

[A]

So. And also you talking about your trauma with. After what you've put Olivia through. Seriously. So, I mean, I think it kind of goes to show who this lady is. So Brittany. Olivia's there and she's obviously. And we see the Ashley therapist. The lady the therapist named Ashley. What the fuck is wrong with me? The therapist's name is Ashley. And we see her, and she's one of my favorite Bravo therapists. I believe that she's a therapist. And I thought she was pretty good. What do you think?

[B]

She was pretty good. I mean, she seems so young. I was like, gosh, gosh, G willikers. Depending on my therapist is like, really old. But she was good. I actually. This was actually a really moving scene. It was actually moving and compelling. I thought so.

[A]

Yeah. I want a therapist who's going to tell me this. Nothing's really your fault. It's all your mom's fault. Forgive yourself and go home. Okay. Take my money.

[B]

Yeah. And she basically, you know, Olivia says that when Britney married this new guy, she just, like, threw herself in this new relationship and we were no longer a priority. And it's almost like she just wanted this guy to love her so much that she ignored us. And, like, the other kids seemed to be more important. And so I moved to my dad's and it was like seven years of. Of her neglecting her kids.

[A]

Yeah. And she's like. She put all of her time into celebrating the step kids wins. But not our wins. And she says the hardest thing is that she still feels a connection with her mom. And she's like, you know, and you haven't made the best decisions, but I still want a relationship, but my brain is telling me I'm gonna get hurt. And Brittany's like, well, but I just wish I could tell you that I've grown and I would never do that again. And I would never allow myself to be put in a cage where I couldn't be a mother to my kids. Okay, that. That right there is where there's a huge red flag that shows me Brittany has learned nothing because she's still blaming other people. She was put in a cage so she could. It was the husband's fault that she couldn't be a mother to her kids. She was put there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Nah. So this lady has learned nothing, but she has learned how to keep her mouth shut, let her daughter say what she needs to say, minimize the damage, and get the out of there. So I'll give her credit for that.

[B]

So Ash is like, well, that's trauma. You know, it's different, but it feels the same. And, like, what's the goal? And Britney's like, well, I don't really want anything right now. Maybe a steamer. Remember the steamers at Olivia? No, she still doesn't remember the steamers.

[A]

Anyway, I just dry cleaner for my unicorn. Oh, my God. It just got the cutest little unicorn. Olivia, wait. It's got a message for you.

[B]

You are love, baby.

[A]

Good night. I'm related to Donny Osmond.

[B]

The therapist is like, okay, well, Brittany, that's not how their family therapy works. You are deserving, too. Are you saying that I am loved? Yes, you are. Well, sorry, someone else told me, so I'd like my money back, please. Okay, well, you know what? You are deserving of getting what you need to move on in your relationship. And Brittany just basically says she doesn't feel like she's worthy of anything because she, you know, basically damaged her daughter so much.

[A]

And Olivia. Well, yeah, for some reason, I feel the same way, Mom. She goes, what? She goes, yeah, because, you know, I spent so much time being unlovable. You know, like, your mom not loving you kind of does that. And so, like, getting to know people's hard, and once they get close, I'm afraid they'll leave me again. And she's like, oh, my God, it's so heartbreaking because if I just made different choices, my kids wouldn't have that trauma. Yeah.

[B]

And so Brittany feels really guilty and Olivia is like. She's like. Oddly enough, it's reassuring that she realizes what she did was wrong, because I feel like your response is to shove it under the rug. Usually because you like to act like it's perfect. So to hear accountability makes me feel better. And Britney is happy and she goes, you're a real unicorn. Which reminds me, Jared got me a unicorn. Did I play it for you, Olivia? She's like, yes, mother, yes.

[A]

Yeah, she didn't really say the unicorn thing, but that shit would be funny.

[B]

You're a real unicorn, Olivia. I remember that. Sorry.

[A]

I wrote that. And there's a note for myself.

[B]

Thank you, Olivia.

[A]

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Oh, a minor detail. And having said that, she had nothing to do with that profit. Repeatedly. She then goes on national television and says that ho and her children are actually in line to receive nearly 30 million pounds as a result of it.

[A]

To find out the full incredible story, follow British Scandal wherever you listen to podcasts or listen early and ad free on Wondery Plus, Ronwin is going to a store with her mom and her daughter. It's a triple generation day trip. They're going to a store called Bonsai by me. It's not funny. Ron was like, do you get it, Muzzy? Get it. Bonsai. Buy me. Get it. Get in, Muzzy. Get it. She's like, yeah. Still? Hell yeah.

[B]

Did they go here on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives? I feel like I've been here to this place before. So Muzzy is like, what's the point of growing a small tree? It's too late. It's too late. Who cares about small tree? It's not gonna help anything. So this guy's like, all right, guys, Banzai is about the beauty you see in the tree, so let's make a mess. Muzzy's like, I see no beauty Can I go home now? This is what I call an oops.

[A]

Gwen wants a plant for my chameleon and one for me. And Brom was like, well, I'm not a Zen person, but, you know, with everything going on with my parents and Todd, I need Zen. I should have worn my Valentino, though. Am I right, girls?

[B]

They. Their. Their first order of business is that they had to pull up these little bonsai trees. They had to take a chopstick, and they have to, like, poke the chopstick into the soil to loosen the roots. And Muzzy is like, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo. But, like, she just tears apart her bonsai, like, okay, Muzzy. All right, Muzzy. Okay, that's just eight decades of rage that she's got going on there. Put the chopstick down, Muzzy.

[A]

So Bronwyn's like, okay, well, how many. How many chameleons can. Because Gwen is talking about breeding Fezzy. This true.

[B]

I don't want to breed him, Mother. I just want to give him your haircut. Well, we. We can see if Christian will make him a small little Bronwyn wig, but I think that's the best we can do.

[A]

And Gwen's like, he's looking for a mate, Mother. I'm not trying to mate him. And she goes, well, how do you know he's looking for a mate? She goes, because he sticks his penis out and walks around. Well, I do that. And I'm just looking for the remote control, you know, don't think you can read everybody.

[B]

So then Gwen says. She says, I want to find her. And, you know, I want to find her. I want to find her like this chameleon's girlfriend. She's in Portland, and I think it's a cool place, you know, because you told me you didn't want to go to be to BYU and you wanted to go to New York and have a new experience, so I want to do that too. You know, you can't stay in the same spot forever, am I right? Unless you're Todd. I. He always just sort of sits there on the sofa and is always looking at that iPad. You're not looking at the iPad, are you? No, Mother, I. I really don't want to ever look at his iPad ever again.

[A]

And Brahm was like, well, I've just never been alone, and I think it's past time I was an adult by myself. But I just wish she wasn't so excited to leave. It's a daughter leaving me scene.

[B]

Oh, but it's a double. It's double Elimination. Because Bronwyn then looks to Muzzy, and she's like, so, but you're staying, right, Mom? I mean, I hate you, but I would love it if you could stay. She's like, ah, no. Not leaving. Yeah, I mean, but I should find my own place. You know, I can only stare at that hideous living room of yours for so long before I just want to faint from embarrassment.

[A]

I was thinking of staying here for a little bit longer until you got those couches that look like Willy Wonka's hemorrhoids. I'm out of here.

[B]

Is it Todd? Because I'll get rid of him. Joking. Not joking. And she's like, well, I think Todd's gonna get rid of you first. Hashtag oops. Am I right?

[A]

Don't tempt me with a good time, Mother. Honestly. I know we're laughing, right? We're all laughing.

[B]

That's hilarious.

[A]

But, you know, it's really uncool that you two have planned this at the same time. You're just leaving me at the same time. And Gwen's like, no one hates you, Mother. Okay? We just need things. We need new things.

[B]

It's just hard, sweetie. You know, I just. You know, I don't want to leave you, but it's hard to come to a bonsai shop and watch you nod so hard you poke a hole in your forehead with the tree. Okay, so let's. Come on, now. Keep your head up. Literally, Roma's like, well, it's just hard because these. These are the best days of her life are coming up, and these were the best days of my life, being with her. And I just know I want her to do everything, and I just feel fine. G. Bronwyn. Way to just, like, drop all that baggage on your poor daughter. I mean, let the girl go out and live her life. Oh, my God. What is wrong with her?

[A]

Are you kidding? I can't tell. You sound like you're being sarcastic.

[B]

No, I'm. I'm not kidding. I'm like, I don't think you should put that onto your child. You should not. I don't think that's. I don't think that's right. I'm sorry. I think this kid is, like, 19. She's about to go in the world, go off to college, experiencing new things, and I think independence is super important. And I don't think it's, like, very helpful if a mom is like, oh, no. But now I'm all. I'm left behind. I'm gonna be. You may feel that I'm not saying you can't feel that, but don't put it on to your child. Tell it to your therapist or tell it to your mom or tell it to Todd. Oh, go tell it to the mountain.

[A]

No, I think it's nice to, you know, make your daughter feel. She's like, I'm gonna miss you. I think she's just saying, like, I'm gonna miss you.

[B]

Say, I'm gonna miss you. I love you. But, like, don't. Don't be like, you know, my. My best days are now officially behind me. I, like, I. I feel left behind. Oh, my God. I feel like that does such a. I think that's, like. I think that does such a trip on kids. Then they feel obligated that they have to come back. And it was like, no, live. Be exciting.

[A]

Grow.

[B]

Grow those wings. Find chameleons. To me.

[A]

Yeah. We were raised so differently. I'm like, this is pretty safe. This is pretty.

[B]

Wait a second. You're the one who's always like, you know what, kid? Erase that. Erase your mother. She's toxic. I thought for sure you'd be like, yes, Ben. I'm the one being like, shut up. Let the kid go.

[A]

I know. I thought it was nice that she's, you know, she's sad for her kid. I don't know. To me, it's just, like, kind of a typical thing, you know, looking like.

[B]

Sentiment is nice stuff, because the sentiment is nice because you love your child and she misses her child. Of course. That's lovely and beautiful. I just think. I think you should be careful when you say those things. Yeah. I'm not a parent, so who. But who the fuck cares? I just think, like. I just think it's like. I feel like I've seen people in my life who could have flourished but didn't because their parents guilted them into, like, staying, you know, close by or just kept a leash on them. And I just don't think that's healthy.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, I think if she was doing that, that would be bad. But she's like, you know, I understand. She has to go. It just hurts kind of thing. But, you know, this is also a Bronwyn scene, so of course it's like, Bronwyn's gonna be the victim at the end of the day, you know, she's like, I just feel left behind by you leaving. And she's like, well, I mean, I just put so much into helping my mom when she was sick, you know, and now we've settled Into a good place. I mean, we've just been so giggly. Could you look at the clip where she does a Ricky Ricardo line? And then we cut to her mom going, wow, you should really be like, lucy, I'm home. And then they laugh. And I was like, where. Where did this Muzzy come from? Because a couple weeks ago, they showed her on here, and she was an emotional terrorist.

[B]

I know, I know. So, yeah, she's. They're like, bailey Bronwyn's, like, really sad. She's like, I can't believe you guys are both leaving right now. Gwen's like, mother, I'm working on my banzai, and you're crying. It's so embarrassing. And she's like, well, guess what? I'm going to Tanya Harding. Both of you. Which is funny because that's the second time Tanya Harding has been used as a verb on Bravo this week. The other time was Kizzy on Below Deck.

[A]

Yes, yes. People brought Tanya Harding up twice this week on Bravo. What is going on with Tanya Harding? Is she going to get, like, some NBC special or something?

[B]

She should be a real housewife. At this point, I think we can.

[A]

All agree with that.

[B]

I mean, she really. She's kind of like Real housewife of. I don't know where she's living these days, but, like, Podunk. But she would be a really good real housewife. If you want to hear all of our thoughts on Tanya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan, tune into our Below Deck mad recap, because I'm not kidding you. We talked about it for five minutes. We, like, went down memory lane about that. So, you know, go listen.

[A]

Yeah. So problem was like, oh, God, now I'm even getting along with my mother and she's moving out. And so Muzzy's like, well, when you were coming back from back and forth from San Francisco and Utah on the weekends, I knew someday you'd move, and it was hard. I said, God, sometimes it's easier knowing where your failure is than just knowing it's out there, lost somewhere in the world, you know? Thank you, Mother. Thank you.

[B]

Failure in the hand is worth two in the bush. And again, isn't that how we got in this situation in the first place?

[A]

The mother. You knew it was hard on me, so why are you doing it to me? And so now everybody's crying. Well, Gwen's not really crying, but the moms are crying, and Gwen's like, I'm working on my bonsai. Okay? So Gwen says, yeah, Muzzy just wants to bring her secret boyfriend over it's like, oh, I would support that for her. Muzzy, do it. Muzzy.

[B]

Muzzy's like, Bronwyn, a wise person once said, everything is fine. Everything is fine.

[A]

Frazzled cat. Then we look at her bonsai tree. It's like stabbed to death. All the leaves have fallen off. The trunk is black. And like over the end, over the. Over the edge of the pot.

[B]

The branches are just going every direction. Everything's fine. Everything's fine.

[A]

So.

[B]

So now we go to Britney. Speaking of, she's now going to this. She's walking across a bridge in some park and Meredith is sitting on a bench. And it's very dramatic. Britney's saying that she, you know, Meredith reached out and I'm here and I want to see if she'll own what happened. Because if she apologizes, I'm more than willing to own my part of it. Well, thank you for coming here today. It's really pretty. And thank you for taking time out of your job to come here. That was a joke. We know you don't have a job, so I'm sorry for that.

[A]

I came somewhere where we wouldn't have to argue over who's gonna pay since you can't. So thank you for coming to this park bench. Now I wanted to talk face to crazy face and tell you that I'm sorry that you heard me Innoc talking to Lisa on the plane. And it was the definitely the wrong place in the wrong time. And I feel terribly if I hurt your feelings because I would never want to do that during crazy wealthy Asian people doing things that they do because that was a good film.

[B]

So, yeah, whatever. That movie was about some sort of Japanese auto manufacturer. So I try to treat people with kindness and respect. And I don't feel like it's been an easy path for us, whether you way you've been over eavesdropping in on me, just venting to a friend calmly and casually during a very fine movie. And I'm hopeful that we can move forward and at a bare minimum, treat each other with kindness and respect the way Michelle yo did the entire movie to Constance Wu. Oh, my God. I remember the people in the movie.

[A]

I think I didn't catch the end. I'm hoping that the Michelle Wu lady was not one of the Busby Berkeley idiots, because I hate swimming. And Brittany. There's a really long pause and Brittany's just like slitting her eyes like she's not sure. She's like waiting to be yelled at and she's like, well, thank you that means a lot. I still feel hurt and traumatized, but I have been really working on forgiveness lately. So she's like, you know. And Meredith is just staring at her like, your turn. She's just like. There's a really long pause while Britney slits her eyes. And she's like, well, yeah, okay. Well, I'm not aware of the intricacies of your relationship, and it was a shitty thing to do to bring it to tick tock. And I realized that tick tock is a trigger for you. So I'm sorry as well.

[B]

Well, to be clear, the real trigger was that you came in like you were trying to help me when you were actually trying to hurt me. Which is funny because that's what Heather did to Lisa. But that's besides the point.

[A]

Well, also, this comes from something that happened. I don't know where I heard this. They said it on Watch what happens or something. What she's talking about is before the scene when Brittany goes and does the TikTok thing, she had just come to Meredith and Lisa's room and was like, oh, my God, are you guys doing okay? Are you okay? You know, like, acting like. Like she was their friend and saying, oh, my God, Meredith, you look so pretty. Everything's going to be great today. We're going to have a great day, like, trying to smooth it over. And then she gets up to lunch and is like, and I was on Tik tok. And so that's what she means, I think.

[B]

So funny, so shameless. So Meredith is like, well, I appreciate you being honest. I didn't expect that. And luckily for you, I've decided to move my rage over to Whitney Rose. So it's nice, you know, I apologize. And she apologized, so I'll take that. And I'm gonna move on in peace. And now we can have a pleasant little conversation.

[A]

Well, yeah, it's been hard because there's such contention because everyone's been really torn this week and it's been a really big deal, and I just don't want that to be a thing. So I don't know if we'll ever get there. But, you know, we could try some civility.

[B]

Civility. Anyway, well, let's set the bar low when we take baby steps. And now I'm gonna keep on walking back to my car while we talk because we know that apparently you can hear my voice over all the noise of a park, let alone headphones and an airplane. Am I right?

[A]

So I would just like to say, bye, Brittany. I'm saying in this Tone of voice. You don't think I'm yelling at you with your supersonic hearing and just know.

[B]

That this is a hug. It's not me shaking you and pouring champagne over your head, even though I did just do that. But that's a love, champagne, reconciliation champagne.

[A]

Ah, baby steps. So there you go. It's over. It's done.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

They've decided to move on.

[B]

What a beautiful sentiment before Thanksgiving. I give thanks to this show. This was an amazing episode. I'm sorry. This was a great one. And God, Salt Lake City, it's always in the pocket. Always there.

[A]

Yep. It's always a good one. So thank you guys. What a great show full of wonderful turkeys for us. Always make us laugh consistently. And thank you guys, the audience, for always being here for us and allowing us to do this with our lives, because God knows I couldn't live a real life. So thank you for this. You guys give us so much. And I don't mean monetarily, even though you do. But I mean just supporting and just allowing us to do this every day and your comments and coming to see our shows and coming to see us and meet and greets and writing us and everything that you do for us. You know, we know a lot of you really well and a lot of you were just getting to know lately, but you really do give us a special life. So thank you, everybody, and thank you, Ben. You're such a good friend and partner. I love you. I'm thankful for you.

[B]

I'm thankful for you, too. If there's anything that BravoCon taught me two weeks ago during that wild, overstimulating experience is that I am supremely grateful for our listeners who were so kind to us all weekend long and came to our party and came to our panel. But I'm most appreciative of you, Ronnie, because that was such a wild ride. And I don't think I could have done it without you.

[A]

I don't know.

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I don't know how anyone could do it without you.

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Oh, babe, I love you. All right, everybody, we love you. We'll talk to you next time. Bye. Bye.

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