#3091 RHOP S10E09 PART ONE: Case of the Ex

Summary

Watch What Crappens – RHOP S10E09: "Case of the Ex" (Part 1)

Podcast: Watch What Crappens
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Episode: #3091
Date: December 1, 2025

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Overview

This episode dives into Part One of the Real Housewives of Potomac (RHOP) Season 10, Episode 9 recap—titled “Case of the Ex.” The hosts, Ben and Ronnie, bring their signature wit and irreverent humor as they dissect the ongoing feuds, shade-throwing, and alliances among the Potomac cast. The central focus is the fallout from accusations that Stacy violated “girl code” by allegedly passing information from Monique to her ex-husband Chris, alongside the perennial drama about who has a man, who doesn’t, and what counts as loyalty in this ever-evolving group.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Ongoing “Husband” Burn (04:48 – 07:33)

• The episode opens with the running insult: "I would never trust you around my husband," to which Stacy snaps, "You don't have one."
  • Ronnie: “And they just really drilled it in how much Kierna lost that fight. I was just cracking up.” (05:55)
  • Ben: “It’s like one of the big disses… a trope diss on this show.” (05:55)
• Kierna tries to fire back with “What about Teemo?” but the hosts agree the moment demonstrates Kieran’s insecurity and inability to land a comeback.

2. Kieran and Angel, the ‘Ambassadors of Hot Guys’ (08:35–09:24)

• Hosts lament that “the worst” cast members are bringing attractive men onto the show but feel stuck with Kieran and Angel as their vessels.
• Crack up over the fanbase’s sudden thirst for Kieran’s unnamed brother.
  • Ronnie: “Goodness gracious. Kiera's brother, he doesn't even have a name…Wow.” (09:09)

3. Mean Girl Energy and “Girl Code” Debate (09:24 – 14:01)

• The group piles onto Stacy about allegedly betraying Monique’s trust.
  • Ronnie: “Tia's coming a little too hard for Stacy. And I don't like it.” (09:24)
  • Ben: “Now we're putting her on Megan's list…What are you making her out to be?” (10:41)
• The “girl code” debate unfolds: Ronnie takes Stacy’s side, arguing she couldn’t have violated a code with someone she barely knew, while Ben pushes back mildly.
  • Ronnie: “I don't see where Stacy violated girl code here whatsoever…” (11:31)
  • Ben: “I do. I mean, I do think that that's a violation…” (12:42)
• Ronnie notes this has become a tired storyline and that the stakes are overblown.

4. Phone-a-Friend: The Chris Call (15:16 – 17:47)

• Cherise calls Chris for a on-the-spot fact check. Chris, apparently baffled, denies any knowledge of the drama.
  • Ben: “So Stacy's like, well, we called, and here we are. You made a phone call. And still she rises.” (17:09)
  • Ronnie: “Still I rise. Talk about drama. Talk about cell service, talk about clarity…” (17:22)

5. Relentless Accusations and the Groupthink Spiral (17:39–18:17)

• Despite Chris’s denial, the group doubles down on doubting Stacy. Giselle leads the charge, declaring, “Nothing would convince me that she did not tell him. Nothing.” (17:47)
• Stacy reaches a resigned peace with her outsider status.

6. Comic Relief: Shrimp, Cheese Trays, and Awkward Parties (25:16 – 54:38)

• The hosts delight in mocking the Housewives’ lackluster attempts at party catering:
  • Jazzy’s shrimp cocktail “precariously placed” on her white sofa: “Those shrimp didn’t look good. …they looked like they were threatening something. I was like, ‘Don’t jump!’” (50:24)
  • Angel’s spread gets blasted: “She has supermarket cookies, supermarket cubed fruit, supermarket cubed cheese. …This is a bravo audience. You have to really up your game here.” (53:06–54:09)

7. Angel vs. Wendy: The Battle of Dismissiveness (26:19–31:20)

• Giselle stirs the pot by bringing Angel and Wendy together to air grievances. Angel accuses Wendy of being dismissive and gaslighting her.
  • Wendy: “It’s a one-sided beef. …Like, if you don’t want to be dismissed, stop being dismissible. Get some evidence.” (28:42, 31:04)
• Ben and Ronnie cheer Wendy’s calm, rational response, crowning her the season’s “people’s hero.”

8. Stacy’s Departure and Giselle Overplays Her Hand (34:23–36:23)

• Stacy, fed up, announces her exit at Giselle’s celebratory podcast party, prompting a pointed confrontation at the elevator:
  • Ben: “This woman has done nothing to you, and now you’re following her to the elevator…Like, you lost, Giselle. How many stupid storylines are you going to lose until you shut up?” (34:54)

9. Family Interludes: Pizza & Parenting (37:16–41:16)

• Recap detours into enjoyable lighter moments: Stacy makes pizza with Teemo and Arabella, subtly referencing how she’d rather be home with her family than fighting about “girl code.”
• Ashley and her own mother, Sheila, discuss bad men and family dynamics, with a side of comic piano playing by the kids.

10. Housewives’ Divided: Pescatarian Summit versus Mean Girls Meetup (51:18–58:04)

• The show splits between a supportive pescatarian-friendly get-together (Jazzy, Wendy, Stacy) and a more caustic, gossip-fueled “Mean Girl” gathering (Angel, Tia, Giselle, et al).
  • Ben and Ronnie roast the food, the energy, and the hypocrisy of gossiping about Stacy being “untrustworthy.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the infamous shade, replayed thrice:
  • “I would never trust you around my husband.”
    “You don’t have one.” (Kieran & Stacy, 05:38-05:48)
• Ronnie, lampooning the “girl code” narrative:
  • “You’re the ladies who cried ‘girl code.’ And I’ve had enough.” (14:01)
• On Chris’s phone call exonerating Stacy:
  • “You made a phone call. And still she rises.” (Ben, 17:09)
• Mocking the sad party platters:
  • “Those shrimp didn’t look good…they looked like they were threatening something. I was like, Don’t jump.” (Ben, 50:37)
• On Angel’s listless grudge with Wendy:
  • “If you don’t want to be dismissed, stop being dismissible. Get some evidence, ma’am.” (Ben, 31:04)
• When Stacy finally snaps back:
  • “You look like a troll.” (Stacy to Kieran, 33:43)
• Roasting Giselle for her aggressive ejection of Stacy:
  • “Like, you lost Giselle. How many stupid storylines are you going to lose until you shut up?” (Ben, 34:54)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• “You Don’t Have One” Shade on Repeat: 04:48 – 07:33
• Kieran’s Brother Thirst & Ambassadors of Hot Guys: 08:35 – 09:24
• Mean Girl Pile-On Begins: 09:24 – 14:01
• The Chris Exoneration Call: 15:16 – 17:47
• Accusations Persist: 17:39 – 18:17
• Comic Relief: Shrimp Cocktail Insanity: 25:16 – 54:38
• Angel vs. Wendy Confrontation: 26:19 – 31:20
• Stacy's Elevator Showdown with Giselle: 34:23 – 36:23
• Family & Home Life Segments: 37:16 – 41:16
• Divide: Pescatarian vs. Mean Girls: 51:18 – 58:04

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Tone & Style

Ben and Ronnie’s playful, sarcastic, and judgmental banter defines the recap:

• They mock housewives’ low-level shade (“That’s like a bookend for one very tiny book!”).
• They champion “fan favorite” Stacy and Wendy while delighting in the failures of perennial pot-stirrers like Giselle, Kieran, and Angel.
• Food and furniture choices are roasted almost as thoroughly as the cast.

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Closing

This episode is quintessential Watch What Crappens: a gleeful, detail-rich roast of Real Housewives drama, with special attention paid to the absurdity of petty arguments, the comedic value of shady comebacks, and the all-important role of catering at every Housewives event. Listeners get both a hilarious play-by-play and thoughtful (if cheeky) analysis of how alliances shift—and why the ongoing “Case of the Ex” is, at its essence, both tired and deeply funny.

For Part Two of this juicy recap, check the next episode drop!

Transcript

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[Ben Mandelker]

Well, hello, Banoons. How you doing, buddy?

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm feeling refreshed and wonderful after taking a very long Thanksgiving weekend. How are you doing?

[Ben Mandelker]

Good. I'm back in Texas, so it's good because look who is behind me on the couch. It's Bueller sleeping, having his little nice piglet life back there.

[Ronnie Caram]

Look at the glorious be living the life. Well, I'm sorry that you're in Texas because that means that tomorrow I'm going on Jeff Lewis for the first time without Ronnie because Ronnie's in Texas.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know.

[Ronnie Caram]

So I know it's, it's, it's crazy. But Julia Cunningham, it looks like will be on with me. And we love, love, love, love, love, Julia. So I'm looking forward to that. Go listen to Jeff Lewis tomorrow.

[Ben Mandelker]

Also, I was on morally corrupt with Ms. Rachel Lindsay last week, so go check that out. I forgot to plug it on the show, but that was a really fun episode. Yeah, she's a good chick. So go listen to that over on her podcast, Morally Corrupt. Okay.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And I don't know, we have, we're doing Amazon Live today and we also are doing Crappy Hour, so. So we have a whole bunch of stuff that's happening later this afternoon that's going to be live, live, live, live, live. So come join us for all of those things. I think there was something else, plus.

[Ben Mandelker]

An insanely busy week. I mean, we've got Southern Charm is back. We've got Vanderpump Rules returning. We've got Real Housewives of Beverly Hills returning. We've got Mary to Medicine return, and we're going to check in with that one, do a couple recaps of that bad boy. So, yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot happening in our world. It's like rest, have some, you know, carbs for the, the holidays, and boom. Welcome back to 10 shows a week, baby.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, it's going to be, it's going to be a wild one. So anyway, to that effect, let's dive into it. Let's get into Pomic, which was so good and so hilarious. Where we last left off, Stacy was just handling Kierna. KA was trying to take down Stacy. And what I thought was so funny was that There was this line, this very funny line that the last episode ended with, which is Karena saying, you know what? Like, I would never trust you around my husband. And Stacy says, you don't have one. And it's hilarious. And what I loved is that basically when I turned on Bravo last night, I heard it three times within. Within the span of 60 seconds. Cuz you turn it on and you hear the end of the replay from last week. So you turn on, the first thing you hear is, I would never trust.

[Kieran]

You around my husband.

[Ronnie Caram]

You don't have one. And then previously, I would never trust.

[Kieran]

You around my husband.

[Ronnie Caram]

You don't have one. And then this episode starts.

[Kieran]

I would never trust you, my husband.

[Ronnie Caram]

You don't have one. They just really drilled it in how much Kierano lost that fight. I was just cracking up.

[Ben Mandelker]

And you know, that line is spoken on every Housewives show at some point, right? It's like, oh, she doesn't have a husband. Ooh, burn. You know, and it's usually so annoying. Like, who cares? Why do we all have to have a husband? You know, there's more to life than having a husband. You know, there's all that that usually goes on because it's been happening since the dawn of the show. That's like one of the big disses. It's like a diss trope on this. A trope diss on this show. But just the way Stacy did it and just knowing how much Kierna cares, you know, about it, because she cares. She really identifies. She really needs that for her identity. Like, it really bothers her that she's. And so that's why it burned so bad. And it was good. And it's also good just because it's fun seeing a QVC host pissed off. I mean, if there's one person trained in this world to not get pissed off, it's a QVC host. I mean, Buddha would yell before a QVC host.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, it's. It's really a very special thing to witness. And it was just. It's. It's great. It's great work. So that's where we start up again. Oh, by the way, do you hear this?

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's the sound of silence. Because guess what, America? I finally got my chair fixed. So no more creaky chair in the background of the podcast. I'm sorry for everyone who had to.

[Ben Mandelker]

Deal with that, but, oh yes, there will be, because I didn't fix my Texas one. So I'll be squeaking plenty. Don't you Worry everybody. It'll be still be.

[Ronnie Caram]

Some will be squeaking at all times. Okay, so we start up with Ka again saying. Again saying, I would never trust you with my husband. And Stacy saying, you don't have one. And Karen goes, and guess what?

[Kieran]

You don't have one either, bitch. What about Timo? What about Timo?

[Ronnie Caram]

Which, you know, this got to be killing Karen because, like, in her mind, she was probably watching last week's episode and being like, but I said something back. They made it seem like she ended me, but I said something back.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, you said something, but it doesn't count, babe. I mean, she had Teemo, which is more husbands than you've ever had. And Timo. She left Timo and then took him back. So she's had a husband twice.

[Matt Ford]

So that's.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, it's even sadder. Kierna, just drop it. You know? And Kieran is also just still going too hard. It's every episode that Kieran is trying to start something with somebody and it just falls flat every time. And it's getting more and more fun because her face is getting crazier by the day, too. Have you noticed? Like, I think she's just pulling. She's just getting so stressed that she's, like, pulling her hair back tighter and tighter and it's, like moving her eyes back. And she's just getting a crazier face now, too, to go with all of the fail. And it's just. Just delicious, you know, because it's so well earned.

[Ronnie Caram]

I know. It's like Kira and Angel, they're just like, they. They are just. They're just, like, the worst right now. And what's so frustrating is that they're bringing around the hottest guys ever to this show. And it's like, why can we. Can we get, like, someone who brings hot guys who's actually interesting to watch? Why, like, why do we have to have these two be our ambassadors? Because it's like, we know if we say, okay, get rid of Karen and Angel, we lose Bobby and Kieran's brother. That's just not fair to us.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. Kieran's brother. Good Lord. I wasn't expecting that. Like, happy thanks season.

[Ronnie Caram]

We saw him last season in a polo shirt and he was hot then. And then this time he was like, oh, I want to show America what I'm really working with. I was like, oh, my goodness. Goodness gracious. Kiera's brother, he doesn't even have a name. He's just Kiana's brother. Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. Yeah, what a. What a handsome feller. So, yeah, she's screaming, where's Teemo? Where's Timo? Stacy's like, here you go. Acting a fool. She goes, oh, really? And that's a great defense mechanism. Well, what. And someone's like, well, someone here told Chris. Tia who? You know, look, I like Tia on the show. She's a great addition, and I'm never going to not like her, but I'm not liking her. Jumping on the bandwagon. Tia's. Tia's coming a little too hard for. For Stacy. And I don't like it because especially later in the show where they all have the mean girls, like, gang up. Like, they're like, let's have a girl. Let's have a meeting just to talk about Stacy. And Tia's there, you know, lisping away with them. And I just don't. I don't like it. It's not a good look for you.

[Ronnie Caram]

I know. It makes me. It makes me very upset that. That Tia is on the wrong side with this one. You know, Tia's just so wonderful. But that is the mean girl side, and it's the losing side. I would like to also add. So Stacy. So Tia's like, somebody here told Chris about what happened. And Stacey's like, well, I don't talk to Chris. Giselle's like, yeah, this one. This one does. Doesn't know girl coda. She's not to be trusted around husbands or children. Nah. Or anybody else.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, now we're putting her on Megan's list. I mean, seriously, she's like, she cannot go within 30. 30ft of a school or a church. Like, what are you. What are you making her out to be some child molester for now? Giselle. Jes Christ. Giselle. And let's not forget, Giselle was the one spreading that Chris was trying to, like, sexually assault her in some dressing room or something. Then, oh. Made or made her feel uncomfortable using language that would hint that he was, like, kind of assaulting.

[Ronnie Caram]

Giselle is going hard. I. I love Giselle. Giselle can also be disgusting. They can be two things at the same time. Giselle's always been one of my favorites.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love disgusting things.

[Ronnie Caram]

So wrong.

[Ben Mandelker]

Listen, I eat peanut Ms. Out of my belly button. Do you think. You know what? You think I'm gonn kick you out of the car if you're disgusting? I'm not, okay? I'm a human being. I pick my nose. I have poop.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know what? You know what? You're welcome at this table. But the thing is. The thing is that I think Giselle is going hard on Stacy right now, because Stacy. Stacy sort of has Giselle's number about the football player that Gisele went on date with. She basically used Giselle's tactics against her in Nevis, and Giselle's not happy about that. So she's gonna go extra hard. Because as we've discussed many times and as I will always bring up, just in case someone is just brand new to our podcast, I don't see where Stacy violated girl code here whatsoever. She going on a date if. Whether or not she went on a date with Chris, it doesn't matter. None of that is a violation of girl code because she only met Monique two episodes ago, so there's no violation there. If she has a preexisting relationship with Chris because they're already friends, and then she sits at a table with Monique, and Monique says, yeah, the reason why we got divorced is because he treated me like a piece of meat. And you already know. You don't know this girl, but you know, but you have a friendship with the husband. It's not out of the realm of possibilities. And it's definitely not a violation of girl code. Even just to text your friend and be like, hey, just so you know, I just met. I'm. I'm at lunch with your ex, and she's saying these things about you. Like, I just don't think that's a violation.

[Ben Mandelker]

I do. I mean, I do think that that's a violation. I think that if. I think that dating him is not. But I think that if she called him and. And filming information and made it, you know, said what Monique said, which Monique did say, like, what we hear isn't exaggerated. Monique did say that, you know, that he treats me like a piece of meat and stuff.

[Ronnie Caram]

But, by the way, not a crazy. I don't think these are salacious details. It's not like. I mean, Monique was sort of like. It's when she said, don't enter me. You can never enter me again. That's definitely like a. Ooh, like, you know, moment. But it's not like she was revealing a very. Well, I mean, it was. It was important. It was an intimate story, but. But I don't think that, like, when someone's saying, you know what? And then, like, we had, like, we had sex, and then he, like, gave me a cold shoulder afterwards, and I was like, I'm done with him. I don't think that's, like, a crazy Thing to be like, hey, your ex just said this. I don't know. I just don't, like. I understand. Like, it's maybe not cool, but I think when we're talking about girl code, when you don't know this person. I don't know. I don't think it's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, still a girl. So I think, like, dating him would be. But girl code. With girl code, if you, like, turn around and tell the guy every thing that she said at the dinner. But we don't know.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, so technically, I mean, I think. I think technically, yes. I just don't think that it deserves this level of scrutiny.

[Ben Mandelker]

No. Because they were already giving her this level of. Of crazy, you know, this level of pushback the whole season. So this is just one more thing. And it's like, you guys, you're like the ladies who cried wolf, you know? You're the girl. You're the ladies who cried girl code. And I'm. I've had enough.

[Ronnie Caram]

Is Giselle going to ice out Cookie for talking to Chris?

[Ben Mandelker]

Exactly. Well, that's the big thing here. Why is nobody mad at Cookie for being friends with Chris, But. Except Cookie and Monique are not friends, so that would not be a violation of girl code because she hates. They hate each other. But why are we trusting Sophia? I don't. I don't know her, so. And everyone's like, well, she's friends with Karen, though. Yeah. And Karen's one of the messiest people on this show. Are we forgetting? I like that Karen has, like, you know, gone to prison, gone to jail for the dui, and everyone has elevated her to sainthood now. It's crazy. It's still Karen. Come on, now. So Stacy's like, well, why don't we call the person accusing me of a lie then? And Wendy's like, oh, who can call Quiff? You know Quiff, don't you? Dun, dun, dun. Hoverboard. It's me. Tha. Tha. I'm Hoverboard. Cerise just hoverboards in from the sky. And it's like, here, meet the wreath. Anybody need me to be methy? Is that a pun?

[Ronnie Caram]

It's a pun. Yeah. We didn't even mention that Cerise was in this scene last week. And I remember, like, over the course of the week, I was like, ugh, we forgot to call out that Cerise was in the scene. And then I thought, do we have to call out every single time Shareese shows up? We don't have to. But then, guess what? Cerise plays a role she's like, guess what? I am the eldest wag in the room. So I have all the phone numbers of all the football players as the.

[Ben Mandelker]

Eldest wag of all the wags. So Shareese calls. She's like, I'll call Quiz. So she calls him. And actually, that's kind of more Wendy. Therese is more like this. You're like, I'll call right now. So she does, and it rings and rings. And she's like, hi, Quiff. This is thw. Is that a pun? And he's like, what do you.

[Ronnie Caram]

What can I do for you, Cherise? The cell phone is like the size of a Tic Tac in his hand. He's like, hello there. So she's like, okay, Chris, I'm just imagining. He's just like.

[Ben Mandelker]

You'Re right. I was holding it like this. But for Chris, he'd be like, hello there.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's like those mini microphones people use. He's like, I'm good. What is happening? I smell the blood of a housewife's fight. What can I do for you? Okay, Chris, I'm good. I'm actually filming, which I know, thank you very much. And we had a situation where Cookie was made to look bad. And I know you and Cookie are very good friends, and I just want to know if Station communicated with you about a conversation that was. How about Monique? That's it. Yes and no, Chris. Yes or no? So he pauses. Or at least they make it seem like he pauses. And then he goes, I don't know anything about what the y' all people are talking about.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, have a good night. So Stacy's like, well, we called, and here we are. You made a phone call. And still she rises.

[Ronnie Caram]

Still I rise. Talk about drama. Talk about cell service, Talk about clarity. Talk about a reliable network. So no one believes this, though it seems like most women feel like Chris is covering for Stacy. That's the implication, because, you know. Then Karen is like, well, then how.

[Kieran]

Would he know that there was a conversation? Like, how would he know about that?

[Ronnie Caram]

And Stacey's like, well, you called, Chris, and you still want to accuse me of being a liar? He just told you?

[Ben Mandelker]

No. Yeah. Everyone's like, you're a liar. You're a liar. And Giselle's like, nothing would convince me that she did not tell him Nothing. Yes. I'm leaving Stacy. And also, I believe that pigs fly. Of course, I don't believe.

[Ronnie Caram]

Princess Ben. So Stacy is like, it's very clear to me that no matter what I do or what I say, Everyone is always questioning me, so fine. But I could care less.

[Ben Mandelker]

We may encounter many defeats, but we must not be defeated. All right, Maya, take a seat.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, so Jassy says hi to Greg, walks in. So Jassy waves hi to Greg. She's the one who does it. I guess they all, like, draw straws.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, Greg comes over. He comes over.

[Ronnie Caram]

Just walks over.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Whatever. It's like. It's like. I don't know. It's like saying a turtle walked in the room. It's like, okay, fine. That would actually be more.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was gonna say. That would be amazing. We'd all be like, oh, my God, I love that video where you became friends with the chicken on the dodo.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Giselle's gonna celebrate her 10 million listens for her podcast and st Trying to. Like, she's sweating, so she's just trying to wipe down. And Wale is having a conversation with Ashley Wale from Love Hotel. And he's like, your eyeshadow looks good. Everything looks amazing. Because now he's gonna be nice. He can pretend like he wasn't ignoring her before.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Wale, you're so thirsty. And he was much cuter on Love Hotel, right?

[Ronnie Caram]

He was really cute.

[Ben Mandelker]

I remembered him being cute on Love Hotel. I don't. He wasn't cute on this, but maybe it's because he's got, like, the thirst filter on, because wherever there's a camera, there's Wale just trying to get into the camera, you know, into the shot or whatever.

[Ronnie Caram]

And so I honestly, I have to say, I kind of love the strange trickling of Love Hotel men throughout these shows. Now, like, in Orange county, we had, like, Phil came back, and so did that one guy without, like, the chin. And then now we have Wale. They're kind of, like, all floating through, and it's just, like, fun to see these awkward men kind of, you know, getting a second chance in the limelight for, like, one second.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Cherise lost, right, because she called Chris, and that was a big lose, but she still wants to get one for the winning team. So she's like, okay, girls. Well, last time she and I went out, we met these guys, right? And they're all married. And the guy that she likes goes to the bathroom, and the other guy says to her, oh, I can see you guys are into each other, but he's married. And this trick looks at him and says, what does that have to do with me?

[Ronnie Caram]

Boom.

[Ben Mandelker]

So everyone's like, oh, my God, Stacy's a whore. Stacy's a whore man's feeling alive.

[Ronnie Caram]

Suddenly you can't make jokes. Suddenly you can't, like, be. Have, like, a funny, shady joke. I mean, I don't know. I mean, whatever. So I'm like, I'm gonna defend Stacy no matter what.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know, But I also work around. I just also love the thought that when the cameras go down, Stacy just turns into this, like, sex hungry vixen. You know, it's like suddenly she's like, okay, cameras are down. She's like, what are you doing tonight, Married man? Yeah, I sold a camel sweater today. Me in every orifice. Let's go. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, then, yeah. So, I mean, I kind of feel like sort of with the logic of, like, this is not really how I believe what I think, but part of me feels like if you're going to use the logic that these women are using, then what? Charisse, what were you and Stacy doing that going out with two married men in the first place? You know, like, I think they were.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just talking to people at the bar, right? Because she just said they were with. I mean, I'm assuming that they were just people they were talking to at a bar. I don't know.

[Ronnie Caram]

Now, that being said, I. I do fully believe that the Stacy who's on camera is very different than the one when the cameras are off. And I love that for her, it's.

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Put it on my knuckles. And so, you know, then we cut back to Greg and Greg's like, no one spoke to me, everybody. I got a little jealous. And Jazzly's like, well, we spoke to you. We. We said, there's Greg, remember? And then we just decided to keep arguing. So sorry about that, but we are working.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Vivian.

[Ronnie Caram]

I wonder how Greg feels, by the way, going to this party. And it's like, you know, the men always have to stand by the side and watch their. Their women fight. And it's just like. Like, Greg. And then you got Darius and Bobby. Like, he's like, flight. I mean, I. I kind of feel like Greg has the energy of someone. He sort of has that, like, Napoleon energy of. Of. Of someone who's trying to exert power on his women because he feels, like, inadequate in other parts of his life. And I can't imagine that that standing between two, like, giant football players made him feel any better about himself, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. It's like using bookends, but you've only collected, like. Like, you know, one really small book.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's not even a book. It's just like a trinket. It's like a yo, yo. You found. It's a Rubik's cube. So then there's Vivian. Vivian's talking to Tia, and they're bonding over the fact that they are Nigerian, which is cool. I love that. This show has really become. It's like half the cast is wags, half the cast are Nigerians. I think that's such a fun combo.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I like that. Vivian's like, oh, you don't like Stacy? Great. I'll make dresses for you. Let's get together. So they talk about being Nigerian. And then Angel. Giselle. Giselle, who said she's gonna go enjoy her party. Of course it's not. She's not gonna do that. Cause it's Giselle, right? So she's like, oh, by the way, Wendy, just so you know, angel was all in my face talking about how she got smoke for you. So come over here, Angel. Come over here, Angel. Get some smoke for Wendy to her face, Lisa. And, you know, then we see the conversation that angel had where she's deciding to be upset with Wendy now. So Wendy goes, okay. So she's like, okay, make it make sense. Angel, you got smoke for Wendy. The smoke is smoking hot. It's smoking hot. Everybody gather round. Next fight. Next fight. Let's keep it moving, people. Audition season. Let's keep it moving.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Angel. Angel's like. It just feels more like. I feel like you just don't treat me right. I mean, I feel like once you get to know me, you'll see me as a different person. But. But you haven't had a chance to get to know me. I was surprised she didn't say that. That's like her line this entire season. In fact, I was surprised she didn't say that the entire episode. Even later, when she had people over to her house, I was shocked. Angel was like, guys, I'm really glad that you're finally getting a chance to know me. I'm like, oh, God, if she says that again, the Wendy's like, I don't treat you white. And she's like, no, you don't. You're dismissive and snide. Like you're being right now and passive aggressive. Well, what do you want her to do? Like, give you a hug after you accuse her of something she didn't do? Like, of course she's gonna dismiss you because it's an outlandish thing that you're doing. It's crazy that you're bringing this up yet again, that you're still upset about something that was discussed and dealt with weeks ago. And it was also primarily Giselle who did it. And now all of a sudden, you're gonna resurrect it to be mad at Wendy. And you now you want her to not be snide to you because of it? I don't think so.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Wendy's done a very good job. I think this season in general, she's having probably her best season. And with Angel, I think she's being very patient. She seems to be like, okay, it's a new girl. She's gonna try and start a fight with me, whatever. And she's just keeping it kind of calm, cool, and collected, you know? And in this one, Wendy's like, okay, you want it? Okay, I'll just give it to you. But she does it in such a bored way, which is so funny. And she's like, oh, no, I'm being direct. And let me just tell you this, I'm not the one to have a problem, okay? Because I don't have an issue with you. It's a one sided beef. It's a one sided beef.

[Ronnie Caram]

So cold.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, well, see, this is dismissive and gaslighting. Okay, you said gaslighting. I can't. What are you, 20? Get out of here. Everything is not gaslighting.

[Ronnie Caram]

I know. You can try to psychoanalyze me if you want. I'm like, I don't think she even tried to do that. She basically was like, you're trying to have an issue with me. I don't have an issue with you. So go do this if you want, but I'm not going to engage in this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, by saying gaslighting. You're the psychoanalyzer, not her. What are you talking about? You're throwing out some bullshit tiktoks. You know, pop psychology. God, she's terrible.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Wendy's like, I don't. I don't need to. Okay, I can tell what you were thinking while you were talking to me. I could tell. And Angel's like, oh, because you're Ms. Cleo? Come on, Angel. So Wendy's like, yesterday, Tia told me that angel was upset because she saw me at the airport in Nevis and I didn't say hi to her. And you say that you saw me at the airport. Correct. Angel goes, I did see you. Yeah. So you don't say hi. Well, you didn't say hi to me either. So Wendy just like. Like, and case closed. You cannot complain about someone saying hi if you don't say hi. Also, like, you can say hi first. It's like, you know what I hate is when people say, you never call me. You never call me. I'm like, the phone works two ways.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. So now she's like, well, we addressed it. She felt like the whole catfish comment came from you. So did you originate the catfish conversation? And Stacy's like, how did the catfish comment come from Wendy? Wait, Giselle was the one who said catfish? Nothing condemned the light which shines from within. And Giselle's like, no, no, no, she didn't.

[Kieran]

Wendy said it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Wendy said it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, I said it. I said it. I said it. I did.

[Ronnie Caram]

Wendy's like, she wants to have a problem. And so now Wendy and Stacy are both saying like, giselle said it. And then we see footage of Giselle saying it. So Wendy's like, okay, instead of you coming for Giselle, it's me that you want to come for. And Angel's like, well, me and Giselle had a conversation, and this is just another example of you being dismissive. Angel, you literally walked into a conversation and put yourself. You did a self fulfilling prophecy. You went into a conversation, put yourself in a position where she would dismiss you, and then you got mad that she dismissed you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, you came up with a court case that was dismissed. You came up with a dismissible case. Okay, if you don't want to be dismissed and stop being dismissible, get some evidence, ma'.

[Ronnie Caram]

Am.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Wendy's like, no, this isn't another example of you falling flat. Angela's like, ooh, Wendy's coming out. And so Angela's like, well, I'm done. Thank you. I don't choose to engage. You started it. You literally chose to engage.

[Ronnie Caram]

I know. Wendy's like, you're saying, no, thank you. As if we want you here, girl. And she goes, it's fine.

[Kieran]

Kieran's like, are we still having the same chat?

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, I know Kieran. You're not the one who's gonna be complaining about the same chat. Storyline's coming up again. Should we go back to two seasons ago, where you spent an entire season talking about how no one paid attention to you while you had diarrhea?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, listen up, Scarface. So she's like, here comes her Siamese twin. Get on the piggyback. Get on her back. And I only say Scarface. Cause I don't see a scar. So I don't know where that thing is, but I still have a scarf.

[Ronnie Caram]

No, Scarface, you have more damage.

[Ben Mandelker]

Listen up, Al Pacino.

[Ronnie Caram]

Shut up. Shut up. Absolutely gorgeous face.

[Ben Mandelker]

Quiet down, model face.

[Ronnie Caram]

Shut up, cheekbones. Shut up. Cheekbones from a family that all has amazing genetics.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shut up. So Stacy's like, here comes her Siamese twin. Get on the piggyback. Get on her back. Then Karen is like, girl, you just got off the back. Cause they just ignore her. Because it's just another stupid, nonsensical Kieran line. So they just ignore her. And Wendy's like, okay, listen to me, Kate. Can you guys just stop? Just stop. Oh, well, of course. At Giselle event is going to be an eventful day. It should have been called the $10 million battle, though.

[Kieran]

Princess Burn.

[Ben Mandelker]

Princess Burn. Two.

[Ronnie Caram]

Two in the first 10 minutes, everyone. So Stacy is like, okay, well, what do you have to talk about besides me? And Karen's like, everything. She's like, well, what, for example?

[Ben Mandelker]

What everything?

[Kieran]

Everything. My life, my business, my condo, my man, my things.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, the only time you speak up is when it's about my names.

[Kieran]

Well, what do you have going on?

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I have a husband and a ring, and you don't. Which is, again, so funny, because, like you said earlier, I feel like Stacey's bringing this up mainly because she knows that that matters more to Kieran. I don't think that stays. I don't think this is a big deal for Stacy, but I think it's a big deal for Karen. It's an insecurity, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Karen is like, I don't want that ring. It's cloudier than a. She's like, oh, is it? Oh, really? Well, it's probably Cloudy compared to nothing. Go run after Greg.

[Ronnie Caram]

Go bag.

[Kieran]

Well, you can talk. Well, you gotta talk about a man. You pay. Did you pay tj?

[Ronnie Caram]

And Stacy's like, go back. That's old. That's last season. That's old.

[Ben Mandelker]

Don't do me.

[Kieran]

I know a tired asshole when I see one. You're a tired asshole from Detroit, and I know one when I see one.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, yeah? Well, you look like a troll.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love Stacy coming out. Like, finally, Stacy's like, fine, I'll just fight these bitches, you know, because for Stacy to be like, you look like a troll, that's a lot for Stacy. And she's like, don't do me.

[Ronnie Caram]

I like. By the way, I like her dedication to fairy tale insults because it was only a few weeks ago. She's like, you're an impression.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'll bet you couldn't even figure out one of the riddles from the sewing guy.

[Ronnie Caram]

I hope you get pricked and fall asleep for many years. A troll and an imp.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shut up. What are you, a little boy made out of wood?

[Ronnie Caram]

You're just a big bad wolf.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Stacy tells Giselle, okay, congratulations on a beautiful event and congratulations on your success. Yes. And good night.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Tia's like, st's like, bye. And J. J is like, but, Stacy, I haven't seen you since the wedding. She's like, okay, well, open your eyes, honey. I'm not welcome here. I've come to support her, and now I'm going to leave. And she's like, but why? She's like, I'll talk to you later. And Giselle's like, if you're gonna go, ah, please go. Please go. Please go. It's like I pushed it. I pushed the elevator button. She's like, please go.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Giselle. Giselle's really overplaying her hand. This woman has done nothing to you. This woman has done nothing to you. And now you're following her to the elevator, pushing the down button, and kicking her out of your event. Like, you lost Giselle. How many stupid storylines are you gonna lose until you shut up?

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, many, many, many. And she's gonna come even harder at Stacy at the reunion now that Stacy has become, like, the people's champion, now that everyone is, like, obsessed with Stacy. Everyone loves her. So now that's gonna make Giselle even angrier. So Giselle's gonna just, like, double down. And Wendy. Wendy, really, she. She backed the winning. The winning. The winning horse here, right? Like, Wendy needed an amazing season given the scandal that she's In. She needed to comerge from this as, like, the people's hero as well. And Wendy's having a great season. She's backing, like, the one that we all love. It's just like, everything is turning up, up, turning up roses for Wendy, except for the fact that she may be facing serious jail time. But aside from that, it's a great.

[Ben Mandelker]

Look for her, not maybe is facing serious jail time. So Stacy's like, well, I pushed the button already. Well, I'm pushing it, too. I'm pushing the button. No, I'm pushing the button. No, I'm pushing the button. I'm pushing it. I'm pushing it. I'm pushing it. So Giselle's like, I don't like what I've heard, and I need to marinate on it. Like, oh, okay.

[Ronnie Caram]

So you could also just stop talking about it and let Stacy do her own thing at the party. And you can marinate later tonight, but that's fine.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Stacy and Jazzy get in the elevator and leave. And meanwhile, angel goes to Bobby, who's just, like, sitting there being hot, you know, and she's like, well, I told you I was gonna say something to her. And she was nasty, and she was dismissive. She was not nasty. She was dismissive.

[Ronnie Caram]

But, I mean, she was not nasty. She was dismissive with. And we court of Ben and Ronnie say, you know, we rule in favor of the dismissive. Yeah, I love that. We dismiss you.

[Ben Mandelker]

And we are.

[Ronnie Caram]

We sustain the dismissiveness.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, sustained. Exactly. So Bobby goes water. Bobby goes water off the duck back, Mama. I'm sorry. Was that dismissive? That was dismissive.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's dismissive. He's kind of like, you need to stop. He's like, remember when I told you last episode when I crossed my legs for America? You need to just chill out while I'm saying it to you again. Water off a duck's back.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. So now they're doing more cheers to Giselle's 10 million. And then it's time to catch up with the ladies. The party's over. So Stacy is with Harold Power. We're gonna make some pizza. She's like, do you want pepperoni, or would you like my favorite flavor? You are alone enough. You have nothing to prove to anybody. God, I love that topping.

[Ronnie Caram]

I was so proud of you, baby. You did so well. The first race that you won, how did you feel like, did you know that you were that much ahead of the other people? And she's like, yeah, sure did. So then Teemo joins them And. And Arabella's like, I literally tried my hardest, but we were only a second away. Oh, that's too bad. It's so funny. I remember when I was your age, I always won all of my swim meets. Oh, well, okay, Timo, welcome back to the pizza party. Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, as a father, there's one thing I would like to say about losing. You know, you lost only by one second. Okay. But still you lose.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, wait a second.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's not really a quote that we go by in this house, not the Timo quad. And still you lose.

[Ronnie Caram]

This is what we say in Germany. Close, but no schnitzel.

[Ben Mandelker]

Meyer schnitzel. Schnitzel says, still you lose.

[Ronnie Caram]

Still you lose. Schnitzelu. So Timo's like, it was pretty close. Who want to give me shovel? I would like shovel. Now is the time for shovel. Like, what?

[Kieran]

Pizza shovel. Is it time for pizza shovel?

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, oh, you mean the paddle.

[Kieran]

Whatever it is called, give me pizza shovel.

[Ben Mandelker]

The pizza shovel isn't that sexy? So he slaps her butt with the pizza paddle thing, and she's like, oh, you helped your father with taking that outside. Bella, take the. Set the table, please. And she's like, thank God I have people who love me and support me. As I walked out of that party and out of that negativity, I'm walking into everything that sustains me as a mother and a wife at home, I found that among its other business, its other benefits, giving liberates the soul of the giver.

[Kieran]

No time for poetry. Time for pizza shovel.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, well, Arabella, get in here. It's time for pizza shovel. So Arabella comes in.

[Kieran]

She's like, pizza, pizza, pizza, pizza, pizza. Now is the time to stop talking about pizza. Now is the time to eat about pizza.

[Ronnie Caram]

So they sit down, and Stacy's like, I am thinking about pizza night back at home with my husband and not on a date with anybody else's husband. Okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's talking about Teemo and how they're not putting labels on anything because we don't want to confuse Arabella. So we don't. We don't want. We just told her we got a divorce. We can't just be like, we're back together. So we just make pizza shovel jokes at each other and giggle.

[Ronnie Caram]

We just make pizza with pale crust and serve them to her and say, this is real pizza. And she says, why is it in the shape of a kid's drawing of a house? And we say, no, that's a circle. And she Goes, no, it's a house. We say it's a circle. We just gaslight her until she believes that everything's okay and she'll never watch television or ever find out about this situation.

[Kieran]

Ooh.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I've got a lot of things coming up this week for Shia. Mommy's gummies, Arabella. So I've got meet and greets where I actually go to dispensaries, and I meet people that are trying Shiao and eating Snickers bars off the back of their hands for some reason, or one time I saw a guy eating mayonnaise straight out of the jar.

[Ronnie Caram]

What do you think about this, Arabella? Arabella's like, yeah, I think it's cool that you have a gummy bear brand. And they laugh, and she's like, arabella doesn't necessarily understand cannabis, but she understands that Mommy has a line of gummies that are helping people feel happy and joyous. So what we like to do is we like to present information to Arabella and then lie about it right away. So she's at maximum confusion when the truth comes out later in her life.

[Ben Mandelker]

Now we go to Ashley and her boys, and she's like, oh, you saw a bunny in the house. Was it a bunny or a bug? Oh, I hope you took the bug outside. You know, we don't kill bugs around here. It's like, I would never kill a bug, mother. Don't you worry about it.

[Ronnie Caram]

I sent that bug off the kitchen counter and put it on the floor. And I said, you're not allowed up here. This. This space is for children only. So then at. So Mimi comes over, AKA Sheila, AKA Ashley's mom, and the kids are like, keyboard, keyboard, keyboard. So I thought this was funny. To me, I don't know if you had this thought, but, like, Ashley has this very nice little kind of keyboard situation for the kids and has, like, a TV screen attached where you can, like, learn lessons. So Dylan goes and he sits at this keyboard, and he puts his hands out on it. I was like, oh, my goodness, is this. I literally thought for a moment, like, this kid's been taking, like, little childlike lessons, and he may actually be secret. I thought he was gonna play something really good, and he's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Something moonlight sonata ing out. But no, it's like you said, which makes a lot of sense with Ashley's, you know, intonation problems. Yeah, I really.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she's trying to get him to play loving and surviving, whatever's called healing.

[Kieran]

And I'm thriving. I just survive.

[Ronnie Caram]

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Santa, did you get my letter?

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[Ronnie Caram]

Like, okay, mommy, will you be singing me a song?

[Kieran]

What type of song?

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't know. A song for the piano man. That's who I am, mama.

[Kieran]

Oh, okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'd like to sing you. I would like to play you a wonderful Elton John's tune called don't let the sun go down on me. Are you ready? Ready?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yes.

[Kieran]

All right, we're going outside.

[Ronnie Caram]

Honey, before you do that, I'd like to dedicate this. This moment from Mozart to you. Are you ready for a lovely bit of classical music?

[Kieran]

Yes.

[Ronnie Caram]

All right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, we're going outside now. So they go out and Sheila's like, okay, so. I'm so proud of you, honey. Oh, wow. Look at your house. Everything looks so good. Please don't cut me off. Like, Sheila always comes over with that voice. Like, please, honey, please. I'll do whatever you want, hon. Your piano sounds great. The kids are doing great.

[Kieran]

Your house is so clean.

[Ben Mandelker]

The yard looks so nice. Please don't cut me off.

[Ronnie Caram]

I know. And now she's like, well, I was.

[Kieran]

Talking to Uncle Lump the other day, and like, no. Uncle Lunk was like, you just gotta let Josh go. And so I let Josh go, and.

[Ronnie Caram]

We see a flashback of Uncle Lump. And I was like, you know what? I think it's time we need to do something for Uncle Lump. He's been doling out good advice for these two Ding dongs for over 10 years on this show, and no one listens to him every single year. He's like, you got to leave Michael Darby. You gotta leave Josh. You gotta leave your boyfriend. Sheila, you gotta do this, you gotta do that.

[Kieran]

And they're like, okay, Uncle, I'm great. Great advice.

[Ronnie Caram]

And then they go do the opposite thing. This poor man, he has to sit there every single season and just say the things that we are saying every single time, knowing that they're never going to pay attention to anything he says. Poor guy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And so she's like, well, why do you want to get rid of Josh, honey? And she's like, well, you know, I just feel like we need to be realistic. I mean, I don't want more kids. And marriage would be a plus because I've, you know, I've done that already, so I don't need it. But he hasn't even been married or have kids. What a loser.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And we see flashbacks, Uncle Lump being like, yeah, you know, like, don't. You gotta let him go. But then she's also says that, by.

[Kieran]

The way, Uncle Lump also said that, you know, like, you, I have to start expecting what you're gonna do, too.

[Ronnie Caram]

And you see Uncle Lump saying, like, ashley, like, you have to give your mom the liberty to live the life that she wants to. She may be happy as, you know, a pig. And, like, you just have to move on. Which I'm sure he's told her. Probably, like, A million times. Because, like, at this point, like, it sounds like. Like Sheila's boyfriend is. He sounds like a total deadbeat. It sounds like. And he sounds like he has some issues that are really affecting Sheila's life. It's really sad what's going on, but a certain point, you just have to let people live their lives. Lives. And it's like, just have to just. You have to let it go. Ashley, at this. Your mom's not leaving this guy. It's been 20 years.

[Ben Mandelker]

23 is 23 years old. She's like, oh, my God, this guy's such a loser. My mom's never gonna leave the guy. Well, Ashley, you fumbled her bag. You know, you got rid of Darby. Like, what are you gonna do? You gotta. You gotta replace one. In order for your mother to get over this one, you need to get under another one, okay? With a lot of money. So don't Beavis and make it happen.

[Ronnie Caram]

Sheila. You know, the thing is this. I'm. Maybe, maybe if someone else told this to Sheila, she would listen, but I'm just not sure she's going to take advice from the. From the person who married Michael Darby, then was with Josh, and then was chose what's his face from Love Hotel Ralph. I mean, like, Ashley, your picker is not so great yourself.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, you know, I feel for Sheila, but you can only feel so much. I mean, it's been years. I mean, and it's been 23 for Ashley, you know, but even for me for this 10, I'm like, oh, God, just who cares? Like, what are you gonna do?

[Ronnie Caram]

I have to. I have to say, to quote. To quote a great song from the 80s Oshila. So.

[Ben Mandelker]

Could you play that, kid? Sure. Hold on, please. Are you ready?

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, Sheila.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now we go over to Wendy, who is arriving at Jazzy's house, and Darius cooking for them. So sexy.

[Ronnie Caram]

Sexy cooking. So Jassy's like, I brought out the good stuff for you guys, girl.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so Jazzy's like, okay, guys, well, I hope you're hungry because Darius has something else in the oven. Oh, I'm sorry. No pun intended. I didn't mean that.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's not my oven. Something was formed in another oven during the course of our relationship.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was pre existing something pre existing in the island.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I was distracted in the scene because Jazzy put out a nice little spread, but she had this, like, plate of shrimp cocktail that she put on like an armrest in between two sections of her sofa. And that really, I couldn't stop looking at that. That, like, kind of stressed me out. Like, first of all, it just seems like a weird place to put your cocktail in general, but also, everything is gleamingly white or beige or cream in there. There. And you're gonna put this shrimp, this dippable shrimp with a bright red cocktail sauce, like, dangling, like, on a plateau between this two seating areas of your sofa. It just felt like, no, Jassy. Jazzy, don't do that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Those shrimp didn't look good. And I don't know what it was about the shrimp. Like, they looked very precariously placed on the rim of that cup. I just felt bad for the shrimp. They looked like they were, like, threatening something. I was like, don't jump.

[Ronnie Caram]

Don't jump.

[Ben Mandelker]

You have so much to live for. I was worried for the show.

[Ronnie Caram]

I wanted them to be larger. I wanted them to be larger. And I was going to say that they just didn't look right. But then we then went later on to angel spread, and that really made Jazzy look like, you know, Martha Stewart went in there. So.

[Ben Mandelker]

So shrimp just look, like raggedy. You know how shrimp. Sometimes they look like they're torn. Like they're. They're kind of too torn up. They just maybe over boil. Yeah, something. Something looked wrong with those shrimp, but they were there, and so they were there. There were shrimp there. And so this is a Stacy, Wendy, and Jazzy meet up, and then the other girls are having, like, kind of a meaner girl meetup.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, that. So there's Jazzy's. Like, I literally hated to see my girl all over the place at the event, because, baby, at the end of the day, I want my girl to know I miss her, and I'm grateful that she came to the wedding. And since we didn't really get to shoot too much in the wedding, we can pretend that this is kind of the wedding also. Right, guys? I just want to mention that I got married. Since Bravo doesn't seem to pay attention to it whatsoever. I'll wear a wedding dress in the confessional. I don't care. I will do that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Can we please get another wedding shot? So we see a shot of Stacy coming into the wedding and saying, hi, congratulations. So Wendy's like, oh, that. That sounds. That sounds like your girl knocking like that. You know, she'd be knocking like she's from the FBI. You would know.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, because it's Stacy. Yeah, so. Because Stacy's knocking. So Jazz is saying, I'm always banking on the beautiful side that I've gotten to see if Stacy. What Is it guilty until. No. Innocent until proven guilty. So I don't know what you did or what you didn't do, but I'm here to support you, Stacy girl. Also, I'm just happy to find someone who will shoot with me so I can be on the TV show. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she also got shrimp for her because she's pescatarian. So that is the raggedy astronaut shrimp. That's the low effort shrimp that was left out.

[Ronnie Caram]

Low effort. No, but it will get low, low, lower effort at Angel's place. I like that. Stacy goes the shrimp of it all. That's what I'm gonna say when I walk into a room.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, the shrimp of it all. So now they start talking about. Stacy's like, well, can we talk about what happened after Giselle's event? I mean, what happened after I left? And when he's like, oh, can we talk about what happened? Why you were out at the event while you were at the event. Let's talk about that. And Jazzy's like, can we talk about.

[Ronnie Caram]

What happened before the event? How about, like, how about five seconds after the event? Like, which. Which time frame do we want to discuss?

[Ben Mandelker]

Can we just talk about events in general? I love them.

[Ronnie Caram]

Do you guys have pizza shovels? So then we. Now we cut over to angels. So angel has put out a spread that's, like, very supermarket coded. Like, she has the supermarket cookies, which. No snobbery. Those cookies are delicious. But she has supermarket cookies. She has the supermarket tray of cubed fruit and the supermarket tray of cubed cheese. And then she also has the supermarket shrimp cocktail, which is smaller and sadder than. Than what Jazzy put out. And also, it was like, really what we saw were, like, cookies and shrimp. And I was like, this is a. I don't know if I love this. This combo right now. I mean, I love shrimp cocktail. I love cookies, but I don't know if I want cookies and shrimp to be, like, my main offerings.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, we're all not home making things for our, like, little charcuterie things when the girls come over. But there's a better way to do it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, let's have some art in this. You know what I mean? Go to the face section and, like, get little containers of things and then place them beautifully. Like, why are you just unwrapping cookies from the store and throwing them on a dish?

[Ronnie Caram]

That's. Yeah, like, we see you. This is a bravo audience. You're gonna have to, like, really up your game here. Okay. Go to whole food. Like, Stop. Stop going to Albertsons for this. You need to go to, like, something nicer. Go to Whole Foods. Go to, like, if you have a. I don't know what the nice ones are out there in Potomac, but go there. Have them just do it for you. But, like, you're a wag and you're on Bravo. Like, you have to do better than this spread. I'm sorry, Angel. And this has nothing to do with my feelings about you as a cast member.

[Ben Mandelker]

It doesn't help.

[Ronnie Caram]

Relatively low. It doesn't help, though. Yeah, it doesn't help.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Angel's like, I have an announcement, everybody. I think I found the house that I'm going to buy. Wow. Isn't that great? Everyone's like, oh, great. Well, rich lady's getting a house. Congratulations. And she's like, oh, it's so move in. Ready? And that's a big difference. Yeah. It has nine bedrooms. Nine. It's a little big, but we can deal with that.

[Ronnie Caram]

God, bedrooms.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have a filter room. It's just a big room full of Vaseline. I just take all my pictures in there.

[Kieran]

It's great.

[Ronnie Caram]

We're gonna put. In each bedroom, we're gonna put a W, A, or a G, so it'll say wag. Wag. Wag. Because it's nine bedrooms, so that's nine letters. It's gonna be great.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like, someone asks where her kids are at, and she's like, hold on, let me get my binoculars. Oh, it's just that this property is just so vast. Hold on, let me see if I can see them. Oh, I can't see them. Oh, stop acting like you live in Yellowstone national park, for Christ's sake.

[Ronnie Caram]

I know. Pulling up binoculars to try to find Bobby down by the river. She just wants to, like, she wants to just brag again that she lives by the river. He must be down by the river, which we all care about. Out. I'm by the river, guys.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they talk about the house a little bit while everybody gathers. And Tia's like, oh, he sounds fascinating, doesn't he, Giselle? You should have him on your podcast. And she goes, everybody wants to be on my podcast.

[Ronnie Caram]

One thing Stacy is going to do is try to bring the group together. That's. She's going to bring the group together because we trauma bond over Cece. So when we get together, trash Stacy. It's a kiki. So she goes, so Giselle starts saying about. Oh, the party was. Oh, it was 10 million party, you know, for our listens and Everyone rose the occasion. There was only one Cheeto that came.

[Ben Mandelker]

Such a big deal. The co host didn't show up. Huge, huge deal.

[Ronnie Caram]

Huge, huge deal. So they're making fun of Stacy's dress, and Giselle's like, yeah, she's the kind of woman you cannot trust.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ah.

[Ronnie Caram]

And he is like, yes, she. She has just made this tangle web that's. That's we're in right now, which is so unnecessary. It's like, not. It's not the kiss of the spider woman. More like the lies of a spider woman who.

[Kieran]

Princess.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we go back to Jazzy's and Stacy's like, I don't understand why K was screaming at me over something that she heard from someone else. And I wasn't even given an opportunity to. To explain myself. When it comes to Stacy, K hypes up. Do you hear me? Do you hear me? If you find it in your heart to care for somebody else, you will have succeeded.

[Ronnie Caram]

So. And she's right, Kieran. The only time Kieran gets excited is when she goes after Stacy. So Angel, Beckett, Angels. Giselle's like, well, Kieran, I just saw you, and you were like.

[Kieran]

And she's like, yeah, I don't know why. Just, like, when it comes to me, like, Stacy, like, messed up Oliver Detroit, Oliver Hood.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's like, no, because you're always coming for her. Like, you are. Stacy is always just kind of like, oh, Arabella. And then you say something to her so she defends herself literally every single time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And so then we go back to Jazzy's and Stacy's like, oh, do you guys think that Kay is trying to have moments with me? And then we see flashes of the season, and everyone is Kay trying to come for her for no reason. And Wendy says, I think you are her favorite toy in the toy box.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, that means a lot to me, because to be the favorite toy, I mean, that will sell really well on qvc. Zell is like, what super bothers me about it is because y' all didn't know Monique when she was with her husband. And to see her be able to sit down knowing what they have gone and divorced and talking about it. It was just, like, refreshing to hear her story. I mean, Giselle. Giselle suddenly leaning into this, like, how special to finally hear from Monique as if she wasn't one of the people who drove her off the show, and.

[Ben Mandelker]

As if she didn't rip down Monique every second that Monique was on screen. For years. For years, every single season, Giselle was coming for Monique and trying to rip her down. Right from the very beginning, she didn't like that she had such a big house and that she was so braggadocious and all of that other shit. So shut up, Giselle. Giselle's like me as Monique's biggest supporter. Even the bodyguard I was using to hold Monique back from murdering me agreed that Monique was very, very raw.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I mean, I think she's trying to now recast it all by being like, oh, well, that was not the real Monique because that was the unhappy Monique who was with Chris. But now we're getting the real Monique and now she's being authentic. So therefore I love her.

[Ben Mandelker]

Congratulations. You've reached the end of part one of a two part recap for part two. Go look for the recap that says part two. See you over there, suckers.

[Ronnie Caram]

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