#3092 RHOP S10E09 PART TWO: Case of the Ex

Summary

Watch What Crappens #3092: RHOP S10E09 PART TWO "Case of the Ex"

Date: December 1, 2025
Hosts: Ben Mandelker (as Ashley), Ronnie Karam (as Brianna)
— recap and comedic commentary of The Real Housewives of Potomac, Season 10, Episode 9 (Part 2)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the fallout from the dramatic “reasonably shady” party and the escalating mystery of who leaked information about Monique and Chris’s breakup. Ben and Ronnie (as always, irreverent and playful, often riffing as different Housewives or their own comic personas) break down the tangled web of relationships, backstabbing, and the Housewife-style detective work in play. They navigate messy friendships, botched confrontations, and debate the authenticity of various receipts and accusations—all with trademark affection and snark.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Monique & Chris Fallout / Tia’s “Victory Lap” (03:04)

• Tia feels vindicated in her longstanding issues with Monique, now that Monique and Chris have split.
• Hosts question if Tia is saving face now that Monique “won” their feud:
  Quote: “It’s actually a way to save face because Monique comes back and she doesn’t have to resurrect the feud because she knows she already lost it.” (Brianna, 03:16)

2. Bullying Metaphors & Childhood Anecdotes (03:37 - 05:21)

• The hosts riff about parental advice on dealing with bullies, contrasting childhood strategies with Housewife feuds.
• Ronnie shares a personal story about standing up to a bully (that went hilariously wrong).
  Quote: “I got my ass kicked...and there’s a picture of me, it was the day of school photos…fluorescent yellow shirt, covered in blood, split lip.” (Ashley/Ben, 03:37)

3. The "Sit Down" Setup: Orchestrating Drama (05:29 - 07:11)

• Ashley is orchestrating a sit-down with Stacy and Monique, which the hosts skewer as “an ambush.”
• Candace (impersonated) is suspicious about whether Monique knows she’s about to be ambushed.
• The panel pokes fun at the so-called impartiality and motivations behind these meetings:
  Quote: “You won’t try to manipulate the situation whatsoever. Yeah, totally. Sounds great.” (Brianna, 07:06)

4. Kierna's Condo Drama (07:39 - 13:22)

• Shift to Kierna’s storyline: Her ex Greg wants to buy her condo, leading to debates on independence and intent.
• Hosts point out the contradiction between Kierna’s supposed independence and Greg’s financial involvement. Quote: “She kind of made everybody think that she bought this condo, it’s like this big proud moment, and then it turns out just to be another Greg thing.” (Ashley/Ben, 12:34)
• Comic sidebar: Ben gets distracted by a bird imprint on his window, riffed as a metaphor for being “stuck” or the melodrama of the Potomac women (11:41 - 12:12).

5. Wendy’s Family Wounds & Money Dynamics (13:37 - 16:20)

• Wendy’s family scene: grappling with her father’s absence, her mother Susan’s focus on success and money.
• Standout quote from Susan: “Your father can only have one Wendy.” (Susan, 15:10)
• Hosts note how what was meant to be a triumphant moment ("look at me enjoying your money!") now comes off as cringy.

6. Main Event: The ‘Leak’ Mistrust Lunch (16:26 - 36:43)

• Who leaked details of Monique and Chris’s split to Chris? The big confrontation at lunch is Ashley, Kierna, Monique, Stacy, and Wendy.
  • Ashley and Kierna hype up the “ambush”; Monique is suspicious but staying chill.
  • The hosts lovingly mock Monique’s “Crown Royale bottle” hair and her signature oils (17:39).
• Ashley & Kierna try to pin the leak on Stacy:
  • Monique rightly notes the blame might belong to others, like Cookie and Chris, not just Stacy.
  • Stacy presents her text receipts, showing Chris contacted her (not vice versa), undermining the core accusation:
    Stacy: “He sent me a message. He said, beautiful. I did not answer ... He continued, 'Thank you would be appropriate.' I still did not respond...” (25:50)
    • Hosts agree these receipts look fairly solid, and Ashley’s attempt to catch Stacy out fizzles.
• The case of deleted texts:
  • Ashley claims, “Everybody knows how text messaging works... you can delete that fast, quick, and in a hurry.” (28:50)
  • Brianna throws shade: “Well, maybe you’re just describing how you move.” (29:00)

7. Detective Wendy & The Leak “Suspects Roundup” (29:15 - 34:51)

• Wendy (and hosts) play armchair detectives, flagging suspects:
  • Kierna & Cookie: Unreliable narrators; Kierna has a “historically unreliable memory” (30:41).
  • Angel: Potomac “wag” gossiping with her husband who knows Chris.
  • Giselle: A perennial pot-stirrer, cozied up with Cookie.
  • Stacy: Still in the mix; has fudged the truth before.
• Ronnie: “Straight men are so much messier than women. That’s the thing...” (31:43)
• Hosts appreciate that this “leak” storyline is more interesting and contained than previous social-media/blog drama.

8. Who’s the Leak? Hosts’ Theories (around 33:18)

• Ronnie (Brianna) reasons that the timing and content of Stacy and Chris’s messages support Stacy’s innocence.
• Ashley raises the provocative point: “Why is Ashley not implicated in all this? Maybe Ashley is the leak, and this is the big misdirect...” (35:13)

9. Monique’s Final Advice & Emotional Exits (36:08)

• Monique, surprisingly generous, warns Stacy about getting too close to Chris:
  Monique: "My concern is the fact that I just want you to be careful with the situation, because here's the thing. Like, Chris is messy, okay? ... Be very careful with Chris, okay? He's the one to be scared of, not me." (36:08)
• Kierna excuses herself from the scene, later wiping away tears, which the hosts amuse over:
  Ronnie: “Why are you crying? Are you sad that you got pushed out of a scene by your own doing?” (36:35)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “You can't manipulate us like this... You're paying for this whole condo to have this women empowerment storyline, and you're still failing at even that.” — Ben (Ashley), 12:34
• “This is a leak I’m actually invested in because I feel like I know all the players... It’s so much more concrete and contained within the world of the show...” — Ronnie (Brianna), 36:43
• “It’s a mystery I don’t know that we’re ever going to get an answer to, which is annoying.” — Ben (Ashley), 37:10

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Important Timestamps

• 03:04 — Tia saving face after Monique’s split
• 05:29 — Setup for the Monica-Stacy sit-down drama
• 07:39 — Kierna’s brother and Greg’s condo offer
• 13:37 — Wendy’s family scene; focus on parental wounds
• 16:26 — “Leak” lunch showdown setup
• 21:33 — Stacy presents her texts; the confrontation turns
• 29:15 — Detective Wendy’s suspect roundup
• 36:08 — Monique’s warning to Stacy about Chris
• 36:43 — Wrap-up: hosts invested in the “leak” mystery

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Tone & Style

• Highly comedic and affectionate; frequent asides, exaggerations, and improvisational role-play as Housewives.
• Ben and Ronnie's banter blends pointed commentary with genuine investment in the RHOP cast’s narratives.
• Trademark “mock because we love” mixture of shade, sharpness, and celebration of the show's absurdity.

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For New Listeners / Episode Takeaway

This episode epitomizes Watch What Crappens' fun, layered approach to recapping Bravo drama: detailed analysis meets biting humor, weaving in personal anecdotes and light roasting of both cast and each other. The “leak” storyline is positioned as a high point for Potomac, with the hosts bringing detective-level scrutiny and the kind of tongue-in-cheek theorizing that delights both casual and die-hard Housewives fans.

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[Ashley]

So Tia's like, she's recasting it as, see, I was right the whole time about Monique. And now that Monique is not with Chris, then I can be friends with her because it was. It just all had to do with Chris. And my judgments were right the whole time.

[Brianna]

Well, also, like, Monique destroyed her at that reunion famously. And this is her. It's actually a way to save face because Monique comes back and she doesn't have to, like, resurrect the feud because she knows she already lost it. So this way she can actually, like, be like, okay, feud's over. You won. But I don't have to be like, you won. I can be like, oh, I like you because it's a new you.

[Ashley]

It's like, if you're ever getting bullied in school, which, I mean, shocker, I was all the time. And parental advice is like, hit them back. All you have to do. When a bully is coming after you, you hit them back. And every bully's a wuss. And the second you hit them back, they're going to go run crying and they're never going to mess with you again because everybody knows you're gonna hit back. So I just wanna suggest not doing that. Cause I did that as a kid and I got my ass kicked. And there is a picture of me. And it was the day of school photos. And there's a picture of me. I'm wearing this fluorescent yellow shirt, it's covered in blood, and I've got a split lip. And you can tell I've been crying. Cause my eyes are really puffy and I've got big claw hair and it's. I look like this, like, big slit lip covered in blood. So maybe don't do that. But in this case, it worked. Giselle. Giselle changed her tune.

[Brianna]

Maybe Texas is not where that works, but in other places it does. I feel like Texas hitting back is like, now you got a situation.

[Ashley]

Well, to be fair, I went for a kid that wasn't even really the bully. It was someone. He was messing with one of my friends on the playground. But probably later I realized he was probably just joking around. But I was like, okay, he pushed my friend. So if I hit him, he's smaller than the bully. So if I hit him Hit him. Everybody will know that I hit people who push people. And then the bully would leave me alone. So it was kind of my own terrible planning.

[Brianna]

And the bully. And the bully came and punched you and then.

[Ashley]

No, this kid. The kid that I hit. No, the kid that I hit. Punch. Kicked my ass. Yeah, I kicked my ass. But then the bully was like, haha, you got beat up, loser. And then pushed me into a locker. So it just didn't work. But if you go to the top, hit the actual bully. Don't hit somebody else.

[Brianna]

Yeah, hit the bull. Yeah, don't hit the deputy because the bully loves that when the deputy gets beat up. So Tia's like, can I ask a question, Ashley?

[Candace]

Did you ever beat up a child in Texas?

[Brianna]

Oh no, that was Ronnie.

[Candace]

Does Monique show?

[Brianna]

Does Monique know about any of this?

[Candace]

And as she's like, no, I feel like it would be nice if like you can have like a sit down, you know, like, reasonably shady. Was like a little hyped.

[Brianna]

It's like, because you guys made it hyped, by the way.

[Ashley]

Yeah.

[Brianna]

So Ashley basically is like, you know, I don't think we made much progress. And Cookie, you know, Cookie was getting really froggy and so now they all make fun of Cookie. Don't punch a finger at me.

[Ashley]

And Giselle's like stomping and doing the Sophia stomps. And she's like, oh my God. I was like, what are you doing now? She says, yeah. So there wasn't real opportunity for a conversation. So, you know, it would be nice if you were open to come sit down with Stacy and me. And I'm also inviting Monique. Oh wow. A sit down with completely uninvolved parties. Parties. Like you're the total starter, Ashley. Why should you be there?

[Brianna]

And Ashley's saying Monique is coming to.

[Candace]

The situation and I haven't had a chance to talk to her yet. So it's gonna be like I'm gonna ambush her first and they'll ambush Stacy second with Karena. So it'll be great. So she doesn't even know what's been discussed with Stacy and Chris. And then when she finds out the facts, she can do with them what she wants. And this is just like Monique's battle to fight.

[Brianna]

Oh yeah, sure. Just get up. You just can give her the, the facts. There won't be any sort of editorial comment or sort of swaying or setting up to do anything. Sure.

[Ashley]

And you'll do it in a totally fair way where everybody's there and, you know, Stacy hears the Facts. The facts, quote, unquote, that you're giving out. And you won't try to poison the well before she even arrives. Sure. Right. Sure.

[Brianna]

Yeah. Yeah. You won't. Yeah. You won't try to manipulate the situation whatsoever. Yeah, totally. Sounds great.

[Ashley]

Yeah. So back at the other house, Wendy's like, well, I would like for you to meet with Monique. So if Monique's okay and she doesn't have an issue with this, she can move past it. Okay. Other lady should be able to do the same. And she's like, well, I will, but I don't want to meet with Kay because I'm not comfortable with her. And she's like, okay, so. And I've had enough. So now we go to Kierna's condo where her haughty brother Brian arrives. And I don't know anything really else that happened in the scene.

[Brianna]

I don't know what happened in the scene. I was just looking at Brian and he, like, at one point, he sits on the side and his titty comes out. And I was like, what is happening here?

[Ashley]

And he.

[Brianna]

I mean, he is fully showing off for America because again, last season he showed up in a polo, and he looked hot in the polo. Well, I mean, hot people look hot no matter what. But I was like, he already looked great in a polo. As we say Dianu, that would be enough. But now here he is, everything's hanging out, and they're just talking about Greg. I guess the mom comes over also. So these three beautiful people are sitting here having. Having some pow wow. And they're talking about, I guess Greg. Greg wants Karen to move back in. And then I guess he's going to buy the condo. Is that the.

[Ashley]

Is that the thing?

[Brianna]

And the mom was like, he's going to buy a condo before the ring.

[Ashley]

So weird. Okay, so Greg has asked me to move back in, which is great, because you know how much moving out hurt me. So I was sharing my purchase process with him, and he was like, you know what? I want to purchase the condo. Okay. So I guess he wanted her to move in, but decided to buy her a condo instead. And then he said, okay, well, we should go look at ring. But you know, what's a priority to you, a ring or a condo? Because you have to pick between a ring and a condo. So he said, okay, well, then the condo's a priority, so you don't get a ring. Which it's kind of showing what kind of guy Greg is. Like, oh, really? Okay, well, I don't have to marry like, he's getting out of marrying her by getting her a condo, but also she's getting a condo out of it. Like, why are we hating on Greg? I think Greg's doing a pretty good job. Like, Greg. Look, Greg is taking the notes, right? He was. Everybody hated him last year. So now this year, he's coming back and just being very nice to everybody, which, I mean, I guess I call that an effort, even if it's. Listen, the man bought me a condo, okay? Let's stop being mean to Greg.

[Brianna]

I don't know. And also, by the way, they're in, like, Greg's house. I guess he's in a new house now, but it looks just like the condo, but it doesn't have a view of the highway. I don't know. You know what? For some reason, I don't love the idea of him buying the condo. I feel like that her getting her own condo was supposed to be an independent thing. And the fact that he's gonna buy it for her.

[Ashley]

I told you I didn't buy that. Right in the very beginning when she was doing her whole. Oh, see, this is empowerment. Everybody didn't like Greg. So now look at me supporting myself, doing whatever I want because I own my own business. And Greg bought that condo.

[Brianna]

Yeah. I don't know. It's just like, I understand if he's like, I don't have the. I can't afford to buy both right now, but it should be more like, I'm gonna get you the condo, and then the next thing will be the ring. Or I'll get you, like, maybe not as expensive of a ring. Like, it's still can be. That's okay. You don't have to get.

[Ashley]

Or how about your engagement ring? Is your condo. I don't know. Or how about rent a place if you need some space. Why don't you rent a place and let's get engaged? And then. I don't know. I don't know.

[Brianna]

He's like, I've got a ring for you. It's a little bit more modest. It's made of polyester. It has a collar. It's a polo shirt. It goes around your body. Here you go. You want to wear the polo shirt for my. For my job again?

[Ashley]

Oh, my gosh.

[Brianna]

That's what his ring will be.

[Ashley]

What's happening? I just.

[Brianna]

There's something out there. Is it Kieran's brother? Is he out there?

[Ashley]

Well, first I thought I saw an angel, and I was like, why would there be an angel in my house? And why isn't it moving? Like, I love that an angel would come. And just like, like pause. And I was like, well, maybe it's a reflection of something in the glass. But there is nothing that it's reflecting. But now that I'm looking at it, it's a bird. It's a bird that came up and I guess because you know, in this house sometimes that happens where a bird like runs into the window. But Ben, its wings are outstretched. Like you can whole outline of the bird. It's so sad. And I had those little sticky things. Cuz someone on this show told me to get little sticky things that are reflective that you put for the. And I had them. But I think when they were cleaning the windows, they took them off. I don't know if they thought a little kid was here.

[Brianna]

So the bird crashed in the window and left a mark of the actual like splat of the wings and everything.

[Ashley]

Well, it's white. It's not like bloody. So it's not disgusting.

[Brianna]

No, I know, but it's the full.

[Ashley]

Outline of the bird.

[Brianna]

Like the right. Because it squashed the dirt. That's so I'm like embarrassed for the bird because it's such like a cliche way.

[Ashley]

I know, it's so.

[Brianna]

I hope they crash into windows. When most birds crash in windows, they leave sort of like a little circle. But to actually leave an imprint of your wings. I wanna.

[Ashley]

I wish I could show you. I wish I could take my camera up there and show you guys because it's something.

[Brianna]

It's like. It's like. The only thing that could have been funnier is if you actually saw like a coyote pressing down on the TNT box.

[Ashley]

That's terrible.

[Brianna]

Anyway, you can see how compelling this scene was that it caused Ronnie to gaze off into his.

[Ashley]

I'm sorry you guys, it's Monday, I'm just back from break, so.

[Brianna]

No, the scene. The thing is this Kierna. We give Karen A on this show because she's trying so hard and she keeps trying to start fights and she's. She's just. It's just she's overcompensated too much for last season. But regardless of that, she deserves better than Greg.

[Ashley]

She deserves better. She does. Yeah, she.

[Brianna]

She deserves better and she can do better. So she needs to move on.

[Ashley]

And the whole reason. I'm just saying we should forgive Greg. I'm just making jokes because I just want a condo. I just want a free condo. Like I don't ever get anything from men, you know? So I Just want a condo. I would. I would brag about that. I'd be happy. But also, the thing that's annoying about Kierna is that she's full of shit. You know, she kind of made everybody think that this was like, she bought this condo. It's like this big, proud moment, and then it turns out just to be another Greg thing. And I feel like she's not only doing well on the show, she's already trying manipulate, like a pro housewife. Like, she's trying to manipulate the audience like a pro housewife, and she's not a pro housewife. And so she's even failing at that. Like, you can't manipulate us like this. And it's not. I hope it was worth it. Like, you still suck. You're paying for this whole condo to have this women empowerment storyline, and you're still failing at even that. Like, come on, man.

[Brianna]

No, it was worth it because we got to see our hot brother. So you know what? That's true. If you're going to do these. If you're going to do these stupid scenes, if you bring your hot brother, I will forgive each and every one of them as long as he wears that type of shirt or less. So you know what, Kieran? I keep doing this.

[Ashley]

All right, so now we go to Wendy for a family scene, and she's wearing yellow heels. And her kid's like, I don't like those yellow heels. I told you not to wear them. And she's like, it's for a pop of color. And she's like. She said, did you just roll your eyes at me, Cam? And she just rolls her eyes again at her.

[Brianna]

So Ivy comes over. That's Wendy's sister. And they're going to. And Wendy announces that she's also invited her mom to come over, who will be arriving later. So they go outside to catch up. And Wendy's talking about how she's still really upset that her dad didn't, like, reach out to her for her birthday. And she also tells a story about how basically the entire family went over to Nigeria, and Ivy hasn't even seen her dad in 20 years. And they're all over there, and the dad's like, oh, sorry, I don't really feel well. I don't think I can make it and see you guys. And Wendy's kind of like, what the. Like, that's crazy. Like, and she has this feeling of, like, you know, maybe if. If he saw me and saw that I turned out great, he'd be like, okay, I Want her to be in my life. And Ivy's like, yeah, he knows. You're doing great. You're on tv. He knows.

[Ashley]

Yeah. She said, it's not that he doesn't want you, Wendy. It's just that he's learned to live his life without us in it. And so it's sad, you know, it's like a loser dad. Dad being a loser. And Susan comes in and here's part of this. And she's like, well, I was just saying I was hurt because I didn't get to see dad. And she goes, he's miserable.

[Brianna]

And then I was like, well, I don't know. It's like, hold on, Missy. Like, shuts up Ivy. She's like, hold on, Missy. Susan's talking. A star has arrived. Your father could have 200 children if he wants, but you know what? Your father can only have one Wendy. And I was like, that's right.

[Ashley]

Yeah. So she's like. And let me tell you something. He feels like he's the odd man out. And you guys are so successful. You're doing so well. Look how. Look how you're taking care of me. Look at me. I'm the one enjoying your money. Look at this money. Look at this purse. Look at this outfit. She's, like, doing twirls. She's like, that guy. You don't have enough money to take care of both of us anyway. Him. I'll send them pictures right now of this purse.

[Brianna]

It's a very funny moment that maybe did not age as well from when it was shot.

[Ashley]

It really didn't.

[Brianna]

I love your money.

[Ashley]

Oh, yeah. I really didn't. Cause she's, like, bragging about the money, literally twirling around. And then she goes inside where there's workmen everywhere, and she's like, oh, just put the expensive stuff in it. Wendy's got the budget, baby. Wendy's got the budget.

[Brianna]

It's like, oh, now we see. Now we see where it all started.

[Ashley]

Ooh.

[Brianna]

So that's one of those. It's one of those nice, cringy scenes that wouldn't have been cringy six months ago. So now we have here. Okay, here it is. Main event, everyone. Lunchtime with Ashley, Kieran and Monique, Stacy and Wendy. This is the. This is the big, big event. So Ashley and Kieran arrive first, and.

[Candace]

Ashley's like, well, the big thing today is that I just want Stacy to hear us because, like, at a reasonably be. At the reasonably shady party, it was all, like, very loud and was just much commotion. So I thought the message kind of got lost in translation. I thought it'd be more fun to, like, humiliate her in a public space with strangers around.

[Ashley]

Yeah. She's like, well, we keep trying to get Stacy and we can't get her, so we're going to try again today, this time in a different formation at lunch. So Ashley's like, you know, I don't know if she's going to be upset or clock Stacy and check her. I don't know. So they're all excited about this. So Monique comes and Monique's like, yeah, I don't know what I'm walking into, but if memory serves, they're starting some shit with me. So. But listen, I'm maintaining my peace. I've got a hairdo like the top of a crowned royale bottle and I'm ready. Ready for whatever. We haven't even talked about her hair. It's in braids that come up to like a crown.

[Brianna]

Yes.

[Ashley]

It's crazy.

[Brianna]

I love it. It's got height, it's architectural. So Monique comes in and she is wearing her oils. So already they're already buttering her up because Kieran is like, oh, I need those. I really need those oils. Your oils are so great. It's like the first time ever that someone actually complimented her oils that she's been pushing. She's like, it's my signature scent. So it's. It's very calming.

[Ashley]

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[Ashley]

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[Brianna]

Follow British Scandal wherever you listen to podcasts or listen early and ad free on Wondery Plus. So then Kierna is. Karen was like, if the oil's gonna help me. I'll take it. So she goes, I want.

[Candace]

She's like, I want to talk to you. Because, like, you were a topic of discussion. Giselle's party.

[Brianna]

And Monique's like, well, I don't really know what the story was. I mean, the first thing that comes to my mind is, who. Who was it? Tia. You know Tia. She asked like, what. What was the moment that you knew it was. It was done with Chris. Like that. That's all that happened at that lunch. Right? And Karen was like, yeah, well, that was so genuine of you to even share that with us. And then I left the event, and we were all. That we were all together at. And I'm on the phone with Cookie, and she's like, hey, Stacy just called and said that Monish. No, Monique trashed him today. And I'm like, this is crazy.

[Ashley]

Yeah, she said he. That Stacy immediately called Chris. Well, it looks like Cookie immediately called Chris, so why is Cookie immediately calling Chris after? This is all crazy. So Ashley's like, well, you were so vulnerable, and you trust. And then to go call Chris, of all people. How could Stacy do that? And Monique's like, well, I mean, I don't even know the truth, because you're dealing with people who twist truths. And Stacy could have called Chris, and she could have said exactly what was said, and then he could have spun it and said, oh, they were talking about me. And then you add Cookie into it with her lying ass. You know, So I liked Monique here. She's like, okay. She's like, okay, There's a lot of people I don't trust in this story. Two of them are Cookie and Chris. Yes. So you want me to be mad at this other chick, but I've been crossed many times by the other two, so I'm not sure why you want me to be mad at this lady.

[Brianna]

Yeah, exactly. Modi kind of sees it the way I see it. I think that you say it as well. It's like, yeah, maybe Stacy did say something. But for sure, it probably gets, like, amped up to horrifying, you know, horrifying levels by each. Each messenger from Chris to Cookie. And let's not forget Kierna, too. So Monique is kind of like, yeah, I don't really. Like, maybe she said something. But, like, those who are the ones that, like, you shouldn't be trusting. Yeah, you're going after Stacy, but Chris and Cookie are the ones that are, like, the unreliable narrators here.

[Ashley]

And she says, you know, you can tell them what was Said, but don't twist it. I mean, tell them exactly what was said. But here's the thing. If it was Stacy, she did tell him what was said. You did say the piece of meat thing, and that's all we've heard that she said. So who knows? So then Monique is. Let's see. So who comes in here? Wendy comes in.

[Brianna]

Wendy comes in next. Yeah, they all complement each other's boobs. And then Monique is like, well, they do. They do.

[Ashley]

That's how Ben and I start lunch, too. We're like, oh, those boobs are boobing. Ben. Looking good, baby.

[Brianna]

Yeah, my man boobs are extra perky after Thanksgiving. So Monique is like, they were just catching me up on some of the drama, and. And they. They're talking about that. And Wendy's like, you know. You know, I met with her, and she's very adamant that she did not call Chris. And I'll let her speak for herself. But actually, I also told her that I wanted her to meet with. Meet you so that you and Kiana, you guys can have a conversation. Oh, I wanted her to meet you, Monique, to have a conversation. And she basically is. So she. So Wendy says what Stacy also said was that when Shareese was on the phone with him, and Monique goes, charisse. Like, wait, how did Charisse get in this? She has this look on her face like, now I'm confused.

[Ashley]

I know. It's so funny because they're trying to make Stacy messy, but they're the ones talking about her and her marriage constantly and calling Chris. So she's like, what the hell? So Ashley's like, but we wanted to call Chris just to see if it was valid. So when there's made the phone call there and asked him, did Stacy call you? Yes and no. And Quiz said, no. And so Wendy's like, well, when I met with Stacy and Jazzy, she mentioned that she is willing to have a conversation with you, but Karena, she doesn't want to have a conversation with you. And Karen is like, well, I have zero desire in fake fraud ass bitch. So. And then Stacy comes in.

[Brianna]

It's like, you're being the fake one. You're the one who actually attached yourself to this lunch. It has nothing. I guess maybe it has something to do with Kieran, because Kieran received the call from Cookie, but still. So when. So Stacy arrives, and Wendy's like, well, I'm so glad that you came. And I spoke to the ladies, and I formed them of the conditions in which you wanted to speak to Monique.

[Ashley]

Like.

[Brianna]

What sort of spy swap is this? It's like they're acting like it's literally like 1987, and we're like, exchange. Like, US and Russia are having some sort of, like, negotiations.

[Ashley]

Yeah. They're sitting on a park bench, just staring ahead, pretending they're eating a sacked lunch or something. Yeah, it was pretty ridiculous. But also, I think this is unfair that it was. Okay, let's get earlier call times for the people who want to make their case against Stacy without letting Stacy hear what they're telling Monique. You know, that wasn't cool.

[Brianna]

Yes.

[Ashley]

So Stacy comes in, and Monique's like, listen, we come in peace. It's okay. You don't have to be nervous. And Stacy's like, okay, thank you. But, you know, she's still very reserved. And so Wendy's like, well, I informed them. In which the. Just. Just to repeat it again, because it's so funny. I spoke to the ladies, and I informed them of the conditions in which you wanted to speak to Monique, and you did not want to have a conversation with Kiana or Ashley. She goes, well, I would like to sit with you and Wendy to talk, but I will not. I do not want to sit at the table as it is.

[Brianna]

And what it's like, okay, well, I want to make sure that I'm getting all the information, and I don't want to do the whole back and forth thing.

[Candace]

And Kieran's like, you know what, guys? I want to actually go to the bar. Ladies, it's been fun.

[Brianna]

So Kieran, like, leaves. That's her favorite thing to do. She leaves. And Ashley looks so upset. Ashley's like, but. But you were supposed to get messy, and you were supposed to fight with Stacy. Why are you leaving?

[Ashley]

Yeah, let me produce. Let a producer produce the show. So Ashley's like, well, okay, Monique, do you have the facts? Do you feel like you have the facts? Were they related to appropriately? Have you been told that you have the right to an attorney if you'd like to? And Kierna is saying, well, I choose to believe because, A, I leave because, A, I already don't give a shit, and B, I already know you're about to lie. And C, this is a Monique and Stacey conversation. And the fact that you're acting like I'm the threat when you're the scariest bitch in the room is crazy to me.

[Brianna]

Like, you are the one who always starts up, Stacy, every single time. This is not scary.

[Ashley]

So Monique's like, okay, what happened at the table after Pride? Okay? Because I was being vulnerable. I didn't know you were still in contact with Chris. And I don't associate people who associate with my ex husband. And she's like, I've never dated Chris. She goes, okay, well, I thought you dated. I thought that's what Chris said. And she goes, I've never dated Chris.

[Candace]

Never.

[Ashley]

And we see flashbacks to her telling the girls when Ashley's like, have you ever dated Chris? And she's, we've hung out. Yes. And so Ashley's like, well, that's not the word on the curb.

[Brianna]

Yeah. So Stacy's like, I did not call Chris. When he received the magazine Potomac Lifestyle with. With me and my daughter Arabella on the COVID he sent me a message. He said, beautiful. I did not answer because I was not talking to your husband. And he continued, thank you would be appropriate. I still did not respond. And then he. And then he said, said, hey, hit me up. I've been hearing that my name is coming up in filming. So I think that's. Those are pretty good receipts in my mind, personally. Like, even if she deleted some responses, if he's saying thank you would be appropriate. You don't say that unless someone's not responding to you. And then if she's just said something to him and he would not say, hey, hit me up. I've heard that my name's been coming up. If she's the one who told him that. Unless they, like, hashed a plan to clear her name, which I honestly don't see that. I don't see him doing that. Honestly, I think that's too much work for him.

[Ashley]

And also, what was the date of hey, hit me up? I've been hearing that my name is coming up and filming. Was it that day right before she called? Because they said that she left the event and immediately called Chris. So did he just happen to know they were filming and then texted her right away to get the. The information or. I mean, dates are important, but I think so far that's pretty much out of the realm. Yeah, I think pretty much. This sounds like she's saying, like, you said you wouldn't say, hey, thank you would be appropriate if you were texting him.

[Brianna]

Yeah, I think that. I think these receipts are pretty strong. I. They could have been manipulated, but I think they're pretty strong. And I think that Monique's explanation of how things probably went down was pretty strong. So, like, so far, this has been a big flop confrontation on Ashley's part, I think. Because I think that, like, I think it looks Pretty good for Stacy in this situation.

[Ashley]

So it's funny how everybody hears one thing and takes it their own way. So Monique takes it this way. She's like, oh, so you're saying he's stalking you? Stacy's like, well, he sent me these messages June 1st. And Monique's like, okay, well, that's before. Okay, so that. Disregard everything I just said. So she's like, yeah, okay, well, that's before I even met you. So that means he's been finding out stuff prior. And Stacy's like, exactly. Thank you so much. Be the rainbow in someone else's cloud. Exactly what I was trying to say. And now she's like, oh, but you had his number. Okay, okay.

[Brianna]

Ashley, they're friends now. I will say, I think Chris saying thank you would be appropriate. Like, that's a weird thing to say to a friend. That's definitely someone you would say to someone who, like, you had some sort of, like, romantic thing with, where it, like, maybe kind of fizzled out. But there was, like, some weirdness. I don't know. Like, so it. It's no matter what. It's a rude thing for him to say.

[Ashley]

But Stacy said she's talked to Chris and that she's friends with Chris and he's a wonderful guy and this and that, but they're just not dating.

[Brianna]

Yeah. So either way, Ashley is like. Ashley thinks she's onto something about it. But you had his number. And they said she's like. She said she's friends with them. So ever.

[Candace]

Ashley's like, everybody knows how. Knows how text messaging works. You can delete that fast, quick, and in a hurry, and no one would be any wiser. So fraudulent receipts, like.

[Brianna]

Well, maybe you're just describing how you move. I don't know if that necessarily implicates Stacy, but, yes. That isn't that. That isn't.

[Ashley]

Well, she's right. But even if there were deleted texts in there, the. The way that he was responding would imply that it is what it is.

[Brianna]

Exactly. So when he's like, so Chris knew about the conversations happening in the group. That means that there's someone else and Monique is, like, leaking whatever information to him. And, ladies and gentlemen, a new leak on Bravo has arrived. It's a leak storyline. It's a leak. But I think this is a good leak. I think this is a good leak storyline because it's like, not to the mass media. It's just to someone in the group, and it's like, kind of a messy situation. So I support this leak.

[Ashley]

Yeah. It's not a blogger leak. So Wendy is like, child, let me put on my detective wig and narrow down the suspects so she gets her clean moment and she's like Kiana, prime suspect number one. Because why are you even taking calls from Cookie? Both Kiana and Cookie don't like Stacy and maybe the twine, the implicator in the scene of the crime.

[Brianna]

And also, we know that Kieran remembers things incorrectly. This has not been brought up. But earlier in the season, Kieran. Karen has said that she chin checked angel, and then she denied that she ever said it, but it was clear that she actually said it. And she also remembers that Wendy made the catfish comment, which was incorrect. It was Giselle who said it. So Kieran has an unreliable memory. And it's possible that Kieran and Cookie were talking about things and then somehow, like, like the lines get crossed in her brain and maybe she actually, like, says something and then she somehow was like, how did cooking. I don't know. Like, I just. I think Kierna is not a very reliable source. In general.

[Ashley]

Yes, suspect number two, Angel. Because we know that Angel's husband and quit Samuels know each other. Wag. Wag. Maybe angel told Bobby and Bobby and Bobby went full quiff. And then this.

[Brianna]

This is.

[Ashley]

Yeah, that's. That could. That could have happened, but that's doubtful.

[Brianna]

I think that's the strong. I actually think. No, I think that's the strongest one, really. Angel tells bot a hundred percent. Because angel, we've seen angel calls up Bobby after any. Any little moment, like when. And Nevis, when she's, like, upset after the cat, she calls up Bobby. She's. She's crying on the phone. She tells Bobby. Everything is totally. If Chris is Bobby's mentor and it's in the wag circle, I think that's a totally viable explanation for how it gets back to Chris.

[Ashley]

But the guys made it sound like they remember when they said mentor in the beginning of the season, but it was like, oh, yeah, we know him, but not that well. So I just don't know that they're going to be that, like, two big sports guys are going to be messy enough to do that. But maybe.

[Brianna]

Oh. Oh, my God. Straight men are so much messier than women. That's the thing that is the. That. That is. That is the. The biggest lie is that women are gossips. Like, primarily the gossips in, like, the world. It's. No, it's. Straight men are the biggest gossips, and everyone knows it. And if you think for one moment that Bobby Massey did not text Chris and say, hey, I hear. I hear they're dragging you into the mess of this show. Haha. How do you deal with this? Is this gonna happen to me? Like, I 100. Like a little text like, that comes up and Chris is like, what do you mean? And then it, like, comes out, like, I 100. See how this happens? Very cleanly and very quickly.

[Ashley]

Okay, so then suspect number three. Giselle. We know Giselle loves Smith, and she's been cozy with Cookie ever since Karen went to jail. And of course, we can't rule out Stacy. Stacy's lied in the past and she's lied in the present, and she's probably gonna lie in the future, which no matter how much you love Stacy, that shit was funny. And she's like, whoever it is, you can run, but you can't hide. So I'm gonna go with Kierna and Cookie cooking this stuff up. Although last week I kind of believed it was Stacy. So I don't know, because last week I was thinking, well, you know, the stuff is adding up against Stacy. But it's because they keep throwing shit at Stacy constantly. They won't stop throwing shit at her. So of course it's like today when they didn't win, then they come in with the. Oh, yeah. And she was also trying to bang a married man at a bar. You know, they're. They're constantly throwing stuff. So I don't know. I just don't know.

[Brianna]

I think that. So here's the other thing. Here's why I think Stacy may be exonerated. If Stacy called Chris and said, hey, they're talking about you. This is. This is what Monique said. And then Chris calls Cookie, and then. And then this all comes out. Stacy's confronted about this. That, like, oh, you were. You were telling Cookie. Whatever. That would happen a few days afterwards. If Chris texts her, I would like to not. I'd like to see the time stamp on when Chris texted Stacy to say, hey, I hear they're talking about me filming and filming. What's the deal? If there was a. If. If there was a situation where she called him and said, this is what they're saying, I don't think she would have had the foresight to say, now text me this phrase. So it looks like I didn't tell you, that way I can prove it to the women, because I don't think she doesn't know that it's coming out to the other women until after the fact. So if he's texting her that on that day. I don't think that she's hatched that plan. I don't think that she's texted him something and then said, hey, text this back so I can delete the text I just sent you. I just don't think she's operating on that level. So I think the fact that he said, I hear they are. They are talking about me in filming. My name came up. What's going on? I think that exonerates her pretty well. And I also think, let's not. Let's not also breeze over Giselle. It's totally viable that Giselle told Cookie, Cookie tells Chris, Chris calls Cookie back. Or Cookie text Chris, Chris calls Cookie back. She's on the phone with it. Like, I think Giselle is a very, very, very viable leak in this situation.

[Ashley]

Yeah. As. As. As is, you know, as much as Kierna, because they're both friends with Cookie. Right. Okay. So Ashley, of course, is like, okay, sorry, I'm going to go check on K. Because, of course. Messy, Ash Asley. Messy. You know what I'm trying to say? Messy. Why is Ashley has to run over and give Kieran all the information of what's going on at the table, by the way?

[Brianna]

Why is Ashley not implicated in all this? Maybe Ashley is the leak. And that's. This is the big misdirect because, like, Ashley's also friends with Cookie. They were all together at brunch at, like, the Tally Ho not so long ago. Right. So Ashley could have called Cookie. Yeah, he's the messiest.

[Ashley]

So Monique is like, well, I'm not a person that moves off of other people's experiences. I just wanted to know what happened and hear your side of it. And so Monique's like, I don't know who to believe. And Stacy's like, well, I don't want to be involved in your family. And she goes, okay, but let's be a hundred. I'm fine with that. And I'm not here to, like, start an argument or fuss and fight. My concern is the fact that I just want you to be careful with the situation, because here's the thing. Like, like, Chris is messy, okay? And he's pulling you into his mess. And I divorced him for a reason. And there's a lot of things that people don't know. And that's why I'm saying be very careful with Chris, okay? He's the one to be scared of, not me, basically.

[Brianna]

That was a. That was a nice piece of advice. Monique gave that. Now, that was Nice. And she didn't have to do that also. And the episode ends there. But one thing I just want to point out before we wrap this up, when Kierna went to the bar, did you notice? She's like, I'm going to the bar. I don't want to be involved in this. She goes to the bar and then she's wiping tears away like, Candace with, like, a cry angle. I'm like, why are. Why are you crying? What, are you sad that you got pushed out of a scene by your own doing? Like, what is wrong with you?

[Ashley]

She's ridiculous. She's acting all victimized. So, yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. But fun episode.

[Brianna]

So good. I actually love this, like, little detective moment at the end because I actually. This is a leak I'm actually invested in because I feel like I know all the players. I feel like I have a reasonable amount of, of, of evidence. I feel like I can make, like, reasonably shady guesses. And it's just, it's so much more concrete and contained within the world of the show than any talk about, like, who leaked what to what blogger and what podcasts. Yeah, I'm totally in it. I'm invested.

[Ashley]

But it's a mystery. I don't know that we're ever going to get a, you know, answer to, which is annoying.

[Brianna]

But, yeah, unless we hear from Chris.

[Ashley]

Yeah, we'll see, everybody. Well, thank you all for being with us. This has been a good time. We will be back later with a Married to Medicine recap. And then today we have both Amazon live and crappy hours. So we will see you for those and we'll talk to you guys soon. Bye.

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