#3096 Below Deck Med S10E10 Part 2: Who’s The Boss?

Summary

Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens – Episode #3096

Episode Title: Below Deck Med S10E10 Part 2: Who's The Boss?
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Release Date: December 2, 2025
Podcast Description: Ben and Ronnie passionately (and hilariously) recap everything Bravo, with a special focus on "Below Deck Med" this week. This episode delivers their signature mix of wit, affectionate ridicule, and insight as they break down the latest yacht drama.

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Episode Overview

This episode is the second part of Ben and Ronnie's recap of "Below Deck Mediterranean" Season 10, Episode 10 – "Who's The Boss?" The hosts dive into the fallout after a high-stakes docking, crew management drama, shifting relationships, and love triangles, all with their trademark humor, Bravo references, and running jokes about gay bosses, tartines, and 1980s TV icons.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Nathan’s Redemption and Captain Sandy’s Praise

• Ronnie and Ben open the content segment lauding Nathan for handling the stressful docking situation, with Captain Sandy commending his leadership (02:23).
• They riff on the "pressure makes diamonds" leadership cliché, with Ronnie mockingly pitching a parody audiobook of Captain Sandy's motivational sayings (05:04).

Ronnie (on Captain Sandy): "Pressure makes diamonds. Or in this case, pressure just makes a... a smaller version of the rock." (05:31)

2. Farewell to Problematic Guests – Imran’s Exit

• The hosts express relief as disruptive guest Imran leaves, mocking the empty apology given to the crew after his appalling behavior (06:00).
• They imagine Imran driving a cybertruck and continue their comedic evisceration.

3. Max’s Performance & Love Life

• Max turns to Joe for romantic advice about Cassie (07:13). The hosts are skeptical of Max's sincerity, suggesting his actions are performative for the cameras.
• Ronnie observes that while gay men can be “pigs” too, there's generally more honesty:

Ronnie: "Gay guys will just tell you to your face: 'Listen, you don't ever call me again. I don't want to know your name.'" (08:23)

4. ‘Gay Boss’ and Workplace Dynamics Parody

• Ben and Ronnie launch into a meta-tangent about "gay bosses," poking fun at reality TV’s obsession with leadership and boss metaphors (09:15).

5. Tip Meeting & Deck Drama

• Captain Sandy delivers her infamous “compliment tartine” to the deck crew—praise sandwiched with sharp criticism for needed improvement (10:20).
• Ronnie jokes about the tip being enough for Nathan to finally get a haircut (10:47).

6. Lead Deckhand Conundrum

• Nathan is tasked with choosing a lead deckhand, but is uncertain as none of the candidates, Joe or Max, particularly stand out (13:46).
• The hosts question the need for the title this late in the season, highlighting the arbitrary nature of these "part-time" promotions (13:41).

7. Getting Ready for Crew Night Out

• Asia’s quirky wardrobe choice sets off more banter about yachtie fashion (17:48).
• Nathan’s “boss move” of hoarding hairspray for himself is dissected, with Ben noting its pettiness (18:21).

8. Messy Crew Romances

• Nathan & Kizzy: Nathan tries to play both sides—texting his ex Gail while cuddling up to Kizzy, drawing the hosts’ ire for insincerity (19:51).
  • Josh: "Now you're being a fuccboi… you’re being a boy because…you wish [Gail] was here, but you’re about to make out with Kizzy." (20:15)
• Joe & V: V is enchanted after Joe sends her a selfie with his mother, which Ben and Ronnie dissect as manipulative Bravo-dude behavior (24:14).
  • Ronnie: "Or is it even his mother? We have no proof." (24:41)
• The hosts predict doom for these new relationships, foreshadowing heartbreak in classic Bravo fashion (25:13).

9. Emotional Vulnerability and Bravo Archetypes

• Asia counsels Nathan, drawing on her own difficult first season as Chief Stew. Ronnie and Ben praise how Below Deck now allows for more emotional nuance among department heads (26:06).

10. Kathy & Max—Flirting Fatigue

• Kathy rebuffs Max’s intense, overbearing advances. The hosts dissect his “Pepe Le Pew” energy and speculate on the cultural and gendered expectations at play (28:07).
• Ronnie: "He has creepy energy."

11. Makeouts, Partying & Comedic Observations

• More couples emerge: Kizzy/Nathan, Joe/V, and plenty of awkward, performative makeouts—eliciting comic disgust from the hosts (35:18–36:06).
• Ronnie (on club makeouts): "I see so many ugly people kissing ugly people. Please stop." (36:06)

12. Reflections on Trauma & Red Flags

• V reveals her ongoing emotional struggles, saying, “[I] need a guy who’s not going to be afraid of all my traumas,” alarming Ben and Ronnie (39:57).
  • Ronnie: "'Who says that when they're wanting to date somebody? ...I'm okay with some of them, but like, why is that a thing we're gonna have to do?'" (40:45)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the tip meeting:

  Ronnie (to the deck crew): "You suck. You're terrible. So, yeah, you did great today... but you suck. And that's the meat on top of your tartine." (10:20)

• On Bravo archetypes:

  Josh: "They can be cutting like Kate, emotionally raw like Hannah, flustered like Daisy, or kooky like Asia, but as long as they know how to lead and deal with the chaos, that’s what we like." (26:48)

• When analyzing the relationships:

  Josh: "He’s gonna have you sobbing your face off." (35:18)
  Ronnie: "I just don't care this much about your... Below Deck hookups. Enough, already." (36:06)

• Parodying Bravo meta-references:

  Ronnie: "Gay boss. Gay, gay, gay boss." (09:22)

• On Reality TV apologies:

  Ronnie: "You just tried to whip your penis out and called us servants, but a little sorry, and it's all okay? Bye, loser." (06:27)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:23] – Nathan gets praise from Captain Sandy: "Pressure makes diamonds"
• [06:00] – Imran’s non-apology and exit
• [07:13] – Max seeks Joe’s advice about Kathy
• [08:23] – Ronnie on honesty among gay men
• [10:20] – Captain Sandy’s “compliment tartine” tip meeting
• [13:46] – Deck crew struggles with choosing a lead deckhand
• [18:21] – Nathan hoards hairspray
• [19:51] – Nathan texts his ex while getting closer to Kizzy
• [24:14] – Joe sends V a selfie with his mom, hosts debate its meaning
• [26:06] – Asia offers Nathan advice on leadership and Bravo archetypes discussed
• [28:07] – Kathy rebuffs Max’s advances
• [35:18-36:06] – Club makeouts overload and hosts' comic exasperation
• [39:57] – V talks about her “traumas” as potential relationship dealbreaker

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Tone and Style

Ben and Ronnie blend sarcasm, affectionate snark, and topical pop culture references. Their style is playful, irreverent, and packed with inside jokes for Bravo fans. They oscillate between deep dives into crew psychology, rants on “Boss” culture, and outright impressions and sketches.

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Takeaway for Listeners

This episode deftly recaps Below Deck Med’s ongoing leadership, romance, and crew drama while simultaneously lampooning reality TV conventions. Listeners are treated to a playful but insightful look at the interplay of authority, sincerity, and performative relationships on reality TV, all through Ben and Ronnie’s comedic, queer Bravo-fan lens.

If you’re looking for smart, hilarious Bravo commentary, plus reality TV relationship analysis with a side of ‘80s nostalgia and tartine metaphors, this is a must-listen episode!

Transcript

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[Josh]

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[Ronnie]

So Nathan is so thankful that Captain Sandy stayed focused as a boss and pulled them through this dark, dark time. So he's like, what a job. That was like, yeah. I mean, honestly, it was like fine. Then the thruster stopped. The button stopped working. Okay. I think it may have overheated. I don't know. It's like Norma seeing a picture of MacGyver.

[Josh]

She loves that Richard Dean Anderson. So she's like, yeah. Seeing Nathan show up Give direction to his team and dodge vessel. And he's.

[Ronnie]

I laugh because I don't know who that is. Yeah. Who's Richard Dean Anderson?

[Josh]

Well, I don't know. Maybe you might recognize him from his work as the icon in Norman's life known as MacGyver. No, these people are actors. They do work.

[Ronnie]

No, that guy's name is the guy with the mustache. That's Tom Selleck.

[Josh]

Yeah, well, that's not MacGyver. I'll tell you that much. That what you're thinking is Magnum P.I.

[Ronnie]

Ah, you're right. God. Who the. Isgyver. MacGyver.

[Josh]

MacGyver's Richard now. MacGyver. Macgyver has one of the great theme songs of all of the 1980s TV shows. Norma sad. Norma sad. Norma sad. Norma. No. Norma Sad.

[Ronnie]

Okay? I just looked him up. MacGyver is not. He's, in fact, not Tom Selleck. So you heard it here first. He's some other guy. I don't guess. I never watched MacGyver. I don't remember this guy. I think Tom Selleck's hotter.

[Josh]

Yeah, well. Yeah, well, MacGyver back in the day was really hot. MacGyver. Now I'm seeing some images, you know? You know, time. Time takes its toll.

[Ronnie]

Well, I'm gonna judge on that. There's also someone named Bruce McGill in the movie. So I think definitely, yeah, he played Jack Dalton, the great Shadrach.

[Josh]

You know what's so weird? I just looked this man up two days ago.

[Ronnie]

Really?

[Josh]

So weird.

[Ronnie]

Did you have a boat?

[Josh]

Yeah, I was. No, but I was watching. I was watching. I was like, you know, sometimes you just wind up. You click on some IMDb and then you wind up. You look at, you click on some other actor, and I clicked on Bruce McGill's, and I did this whole thing where I looked up Bruce McGill's IMDb like, two days ago. That's crazy.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, that is crazy. God. Well, Bruce McGill, his Google rankings are going up. That's for sure. He's at home, like, yes. Nailed it. Something I'm doing is right. Finally. My. My. My creative visualization's paying off.

[Josh]

Well, yeah. You know, Bruce McGill's biggest fan. Her name starts with an and ends with an arma.

[Ronnie]

So, Nathan. Yeah, so she's like, yeah, you know, so, Nathan. Nathan. I told Nathan to show up. And guess what? Nathan showed up. He gave direction to his team. He docked this vessel. He did it in this. In these conditions. I'm so proud of him. I know I've been tough on n. But this Proves pressure makes diamonds. Okay, don't forget that, guys. Pressure makes. That's a free one. Okay, you want the rest of them? Buy my books on tape. Free. Pressure makes diamonds.

[Josh]

Pressure makes diamonds. Or in this case, pressure just makes a. A smaller version of the rock. That was before the pressure was exerted. I don't know if we're at a diamond yet, but, you know, it's like a small. It's a more compact rock, you know, it's great. Great for him.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So now it's time for the guests to leave. Thank God. And Max and Kathy flair. And Asia's like, no. More flirting, more working. So go away, Max. Please. Just go.

[Josh]

And Nathan is approaching Kizzy in the mess, and he. They're, like, hugging and being flirty. And then Imran hugs Kathy. Everyone's leaving now, so they line up. So Imran's like, sorry if I offended you or bothered you. Like, this is like, oh, okay, everything is forgiven. You just tried to whip your penis out. And we're obnoxious and called us servants and made our lives hell. But, oh, sure, just a little. Sorry. Okay, bye.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, you're gross, Imran. Hope you get a lot of hatred on the Internet. Bye, loser.

[Josh]

Yes. Enjoy driving your. Your. I'm sure he's driving one of the cyber trucks. He's like, you know, he's. He is going to be the one charging up at the Tesla diner nearby.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. He's, like, in a cyber truck. And it's, like, wrapped up.

[Josh]

Yeah. And it's parked over two parking spots diagonally in front of, like, the office, the handicapped.

[Ronnie]

So let's see. Joe is like, oh, do you need anything out of the bathroom? I'm about to myself. And that's nice.

[Josh]

I've never done this before. I've taken a. This is a new experience for me. I've never felt this way. It's like, Joe, you don't have to say that about everything you do. Okay, good.

[Ronnie]

So Max comes to talk to Joe. He's like, oh, I got to tell you, man. Cassie, I'm just scared because I like her more and more. I'm like, oh, this is a woman that, you know. I could go through my dream, you know, but because she is thinking the same. So I'm like, maybe. What do you think, huh?

[Josh]

He's like. He's like, oh, don't hurt yourself. Communicate very clearly with her and, like, say what you want and what she wants and things like that. And then tell yourself, I've never done this before. And he's like, yes. Yeah, I'll do that. Just like you did. Like you, Joe, master communicator. He's like, yes. Because guess what? She's changing me now. Like, I want to caught her now, bro. Oh, like, okay, so you, like, you're getting, like, you expect some sort of, like, ceremony, some sort of trophy for doing the bare minimum of what you should be doing if you like someone.

[Ronnie]

He's also just such a liar. I just don't believe him. He's like, here's what you need to do. Tell her exactly what she wants to hear, and then she'll give you some. And then cheat on her and dump her. And then say, well, I told you I wasn't worth it in the first place. I warned you. Hey, bro.

[Josh]

Yeah, he's. This is all presentational. It's all performative. It's all for the audience to be like, I'm not a boy. Grandfather not raise a boy. No, you are. And this is all fake.

[Ronnie]

We know, sir. We've watched this show and Southern charm for long enough to know what you bought someone else and summer house. We know. I made a couple rules, and life lived our life. Okay, so Max is. I just. You know, there is something about gay guys. I will have to give us some credit because we are men and we're pigs, too. Okay? So it's not like gay guys get to escape, you know, because I think sometimes we sit from this. This, like, ivory tower of, like, straight guys. Am I right? They're so gross. Gang guys are gross too, but gay guys will generally just tell you to your face, like, listen here, I'm. You don't ever call me again. I don't even want to know your name, okay? I don't even want to see what door you exit out of. Do you understand?

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Okay. You know, there's more honesty there. I feel like it's mean. Yeah, but it's honest. Because, you know, hurtful, but it's honest.

[Josh]

You know who's honest? Bosses. Bosses are honest.

[Ronnie]

Gay bosses.

[Josh]

Gay bosses.

[Ronnie]

Gay boss. Gay, gay, gay boss.

[Josh]

The only time bosses aren't honest is when they're going undercover.

[Ronnie]

But gays are even honest under the COVID I mean, how many times you've been under the COVID with a guy and he's gone? Wow, I didn't realize you had in a muffin top until you laid down.

[Josh]

So that was a wise man. A wise man once saying, shake down, break down, you're busted, boss. That was the bus. Gay boss.

[Ronnie]

So they start cleaning, blah, blah, blah, and now it's time for a tip meeting and interior. You pulled it off, okay? And actually, you know what, Boss baby Joe, you pulled it off too. We've all got it on camera, okay? There are cameras in your beds, all right? But you pulled it off. So the guy, Josh, the guy that has the hardest job on the boat, God, killing that, the father of that family, that pig. Good job. Good job. What a boss.

[Josh]

He did a great, great job. And deck team, God, today's docking was great. I really see your effort. And just when you. You thought you were getting a compliment sandwich. It's a compliment tartine. I'm not going to sugarcoat it. No sugar added to this tartine. You need to get better, okay? Because you actually suck. You suck. You're terrible. So, yeah, you did great today. That was the bread on the underside, but you suck. And that's the meat on top of your tartine. Enjoy.

[Ronnie]

Hopefully. But good news is, you got enough money to chip in for Nathan to get a haircut. Okay? That's 22. 7€27. Okay, that's $25,000 u. S. Okay. Don't ask me about the conversion. Oh, you're right.

[Josh]

727 was almost two sitcoms back to back. Wow.

[Ronnie]

That's right. What is 2 7, though?

[Josh]

27 is the working hours for a boss from 2:00am to 7:00am It's a big shift. This is such a good tear. Probably because the guy's like being scolded by Kathy. Thanks for the money, you kinky rich freaks. Hey, you sure you have to stop laughing now? We gotta move on. Hilarious. Hilarious. This, like, French music is romantic. French music is playing as Max goes up to Kathy and he's like, oh, you know, maybe tonight is special. You know, like, maybe you and me, I've got some jills. And she's like, no, he's giving Pepe Le Pew energy. Yes.

[Ronnie]

I mean, it's not just the accent. It's the whole being all over at all times, you know?

[Josh]

He's also very peppy.

[Ronnie]

A portly man starts to come down the steps with the plate, the notes.

[Josh]

That's our note taker observed.

[Ronnie]

So that's a real life worker, guys.

[Josh]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bajarka. They're like, get off camera. But jerk. It's not your. No, you're, you're. They're still here. You gotta wait for them to go onto the land before you show up in the galley. Get out of there, Berger.

[Ronnie]

Listen here, Old Navy. We're still trying to make the audience think that this book The. The cast of this boat actually works Here. Get upstairs.

[Josh]

Get up. Get out of there. But jar.

[Ronnie]

Scares been Jack. Get in the dark.

[Josh]

Nathan. Nathan. Hey, Nathan. Get over here. Okay. Hey, so remember at the beginning of the charter and I said, you have to get your together again. Remember when I said that? Remember? Guess what?

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I do.

[Josh]

You got your together.

[Ronnie]

Oh, thank you, Captain. Oh, thank you so. Thank you so much.

[Josh]

Yeah. Yeah. So now we got to keep that energy moving in the right direction. Okay? It's like. It's like what I always tell Norma, Okay? Step away from the dress, Barn. Go in the right direction. Okay? So think about it. It's time to pick a lead deck hand.

[Ronnie]

How does she tell the whole. How does she tell the deck crew they still need work and they kind of suck? And then she gets him. She's like, great job. Great job. You did great. So now to make it less stressful, she's going to make him choose between these people. I see no reason to choose. Nobody's really proved themselves. Why does he deckhand? Why?

[Josh]

And they said, there's only four charters left. And she even said, let's end on a high note. So at this point, why do you need the lead deckhand? The lead deckhand is. Is ceremonial at best, right? Like, what's the point of the lead deckhand? You never even see the point. It never works out. So why even do this?

[Ronnie]

Yeah. If you don't have one for this long, I don't think you need one either. But you know what? I'm no boss, so Nathan's like, ah, thank you.

[Josh]

You know?

[Ronnie]

Well, look, V's obviously green. Max, from the start, was a support. Joel's come in. He's a support. I just don't want one of them to get unmotivated. And, oh, you've managed people more than I have. So I'm asking you, who would you pick so I can blame you when I do it?

[Josh]

Well, if Steve Gutenberg were here, I'd probably choose him. Enjoy his work.

[Ronnie]

You know, I always think, who do I want on my lifeboat? Geraldine Ferraro. Not available. So you know what? That's what you're gonna have to do with next charter.

[Josh]

Rest in peace, Geraldine. Okay. You know, in the beginning of the season, Nathan couldn't appoint a lead deckhand because we didn't have the crew. Okay, let's show more footage of Christian and Tessa being total nincomboops. Okay, look, there goes Christian floating off again. At this point, he has a strong team. Now I want him to point a Lead deckhand. And I'm hoping that Nathan chooses based on who actually deserves that title.

[Ronnie]

Park.

[Josh]

Overall, she could be in my. My.

[Ronnie]

Nathan, I just wanted to give you a little bad news before you chose floor from the television show. Alice is not available, unfortunately. She was in my lifeboat, but good luck.

[Josh]

She just passed last month.

[Ronnie]

She died. She's in a dead boat. She's in my dead boat now instead of my life.

[Josh]

But, you know, she and Geraldine are in a lifeboat up in the. Up in the sky, I'm sure. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

You know, I'd put in my lifeboat if they'd fit the rock. What a boss. But unfortunately, it didn't fit, so you can't pick him. Okay, get out of here. Go pick somebody.

[Josh]

Cheryl Teagues. Oh, she's so good.

[Ronnie]

What a good one. That's a good one.

[Josh]

I love. You know what she loves? Yogurt. Love that about a boss.

[Ronnie]

Listen, whoever you get on your lifeboat, make sure they enjoy probiotics. That's my only request.

[Josh]

Okay.

[Ronnie]

Get out of here.

[Josh]

Get out of here.

[Ronnie]

Okay.

[Josh]

Like. Well, I don't know what to do, honestly, with Joe. I know his capabilities, and I know I can rely on him, but Max has been working really hard this season, and I'm worried if I don't pick him, things are going to blow up. I don't know how to make this decision without being hurtful to anyone. Oh, my God, what am I going to do? He's probably just give it to V and avoid all the male egos.

[Ronnie]

I think he's gonna give it to his best friend, and then Max is going to have a fit. That's what I think is going to happen. But I think the reason he's having a hard time deciding is because neither of them deserves it. Like, neither one of them is doing better than the other one. So who do you give it to? I mean, I guess you can give it to the best friend because Max drove the. He gave the tender to the guy. So he can point to that.

[Josh]

Yeah, he. Yeah, that is probably what he will. He will use. I love the way that he has to be so concerned about these men's emotions. But, like, with the women, it's just like, well, whatever.

[Ronnie]

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[Josh]

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[Ronnie]

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[Josh]

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[Josh]

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[Ronnie]

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[Josh]

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[Josh]

So now they are. It's time to get ready to go out. Time to time to get. To get dressed. So everyone's getting dressed. Asia puts on a real interesting dress with, like, big poofy shoulders. It was not what I was expecting at all, and I didn't get that either.

[Ronnie]

It looked better once they were out, but when she was putting it on, I was like, what the hell? Everyone else is getting like, you know, putting on a crop top or like a little slinky dress.

[Josh]

And then she's like, oh, my girl.

[Ronnie]

You know, these big farm girl going to church type sleeves.

[Josh]

So funny. Kathy doesn't feel well. And everyone's just getting ready. And Kathy asks Nathan for hairspray and he's like, I don't have any hairspray. He closed the door. It's like, I do have IR spray, but only about 10 squeezes left. I'm not giving it to her.

[Ronnie]

Not giving it to anybody, actually.

[Josh]

That's a boss move.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, but dumbass, you could just ask her to get it with provisions. Hello. Now you ruin.

[Josh]

You notice that they're not even showing provisions anymore on the show, which is not good. I.

[Ronnie]

No, it's not good. I want to see groceries being carried in.

[Josh]

It always makes me tired because I imagine doing it like, I imagine it's like provisions and takes 20 minutes. That's hauling crate after crate upstairs and downstairs. It's just the worst. And as you're holding the crates, you like, you sort of like bump into a wall and your fingers get crammed between the crate and the wall and it kind of hurts. But you have to keep on going.

[Ronnie]

You know, I look at things a little more positively than you. As everybody knows. Just kidding.

[Josh]

As everyone knows. But I. Sandwich coming up. Hello, postmates. I've ordered a compliment sandwich. Please make sure it's not a tartine.

[Ronnie]

Thank you. You're great. But I watch that segment because I love to imagine other people bringing in the groceries, and that's why I watch it. You watch it because you imagine yourself doing it. I watch it because I imagine other people doing it. And that's how to dream, guys. That's how bosses. Dre.

[Josh]

That's that boss's dream. Bringing those provisions.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So anyway, the hairspray thing is kind of a dick move from Nathan, but it's also what we call a passmove. So now he texts Gail, and he's, like, going out with the crew right now. Wish you were here. Shut up. You know, Shut up with this victim act when you've been all over Kizzy this whole time and being like, oh, hey, kissing. Are you gonna get naked now? Or whatever he said to her earlier in the episode. And then he's like, I'll just miss Gail so much. I don't buy.

[Josh]

Yeah, I'm over this. I'm over this as well, because I actually thought he was well within his right to kiss Kizzy there. You know, he's broken up with Gail even though they text. That's fine. But now you're. But now once you text, I wish you were here. Now you're actually being insincere, and you're being. Now you're being a boy because you're saying you wish you were here, but then you're going to go out and you're going to, like, you're going to not only make out with Kizzy later, but you. If given the chance, you probably would have had sex with Kizzy had Asia not kicked you out of the room. So let's. Let's not do this.

[Ronnie]

And then we waste our time.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And then we get another guy telling V she looks lovely, and he's like, oh, you want to send a selfie to me, Mom?

[Josh]

Which. Okay, there it is. Boy 101. Boy 101 is bring the mom into it.

[Ronnie]

Introducing you, Mom.

[Josh]

I don't know why I'm feeling this comfortable with Victoria. Look, I call her Victoria. That's how much I like her. She brings it out on me. The way she looks at me. I feel like I can just open up. And let's go with Victoria. Have you feel like you can open. Have you actually opened up? Or do you just keep talking about how you can open up because you said you haven't shared anything nice or like there's been nothing that you've said to her?

[Ronnie]

It's taken us two years to learn that. You liked bread one time. And you probably stole something from a real estate company when you were slightly chunky.

[Josh]

Oh, this is out of my comfort zone. I can't even believe that's coming out of my mouth. I'm shocked as well. By the way. It looks like they did have sex last week. You. You said that they had sex, and I was like, I thought they were just making out. But he does say, like, this is a master step for me because, like, you know, I'm not used to anything post coitus. I just shock and leave. Oh, wow. Okay. So I'm sorry again. You don't get any special medals for doing, like, the human thing that he's.

[Ronnie]

It's a massive step for me. Like, this is well out of my comfort zone.

[Josh]

And this.

[Ronnie]

I can't believe it. I can't believe what's coming out of this mouth. Like, I'm shocked as well. I really am, which is why my teeth are touching and my. My lips are wide open.

[Josh]

So then now they're in the van.

[Ronnie]

He always looks like he's tiptoeing, trying not to wake up the kids.

[Josh]

Like, he is like the embarrassed emoji. Yeah. So Nathan. They're in the vans, and Nathan's telling Kathy that he sees a connection between Kathy and Max. She's like, yes, there is. If the connection is disgusts, absolutely.

[Ronnie]

It's like, I don't know what that connection is exactly. It feels like an umbilical cord that wasn't really earned, if you know what I'm saying. I just feel this pair of eyebrows behind me sucking away all my nutrients. Is that the kind of mean.

[Josh]

It's a taxicab air thing.

[Ronnie]

So he's like, well, so you're saying that you're actually scared of things progressing? She's like, well, unfortunately, there's just no men left here. I mean, you've got. You've got him, you've got Joe, who's taken. You've got Nathan. God knows what's going on with him. No one is left. Not one single man in the world.

[Josh]

Right. Have you done a full tally? Well, I guess there's Bajork or whatever his name is. Baja Bajork. And there's that guy Ben. Not quite my physical types, but, you know, I do feel like they'd bring me some cold cuts once in a while for that deli they hang out in, so that's nice. But other than them, not a single man on the boat.

[Ronnie]

So you just want Someone to kiss and touch. Exactly. Maybe someone that's right next to you. Oh, God, that would be wonderful if just any man was right next to me. Any man at all, if.

[Josh]

You know what? I love it. Just a man who could just bring me breakfast in bed. He'd honestly just cook for me. I'm sick of doing all the work. That's all. I need a man to cook for me and wish there could be just one of those on the spin.

[Ronnie]

So now they go to dinner. Everybody's complimenting each other. Joe and Nathan go to the bathroom together to have some boy talk, which is a thing on Below Deck they like to do now. Like, look, boys have go to the bathroom too and talk. So Kathy talks to Kizzy, and so she's like, excuse me, what are the odds of you and Nathan kissing tonight? Oh, probably very high. And then we won't talk for the next three days. It's just how I am.

[Josh]

And then V is whispering to Asia. She's like. She's like, asia, I don't think Joe usually does this. He sent me a picture of him and his mom, and I was like, oh, my God, you like me. You like me. She's like, hey, following for the simple traps always. How does that make you feel? I just feel so honored, like, because he's very protective of his mother. So it's like, you like me. I'm like, is he protective of his mother, or is he just say that stuff to make it seem like he cares about women on a deep, profound level?

[Ronnie]

Or is it even his mother? We have no proof that that's his mother.

[Josh]

Yeah. You know, so it's like a picture of Sally field.

[Ronnie]

It's a WhatsApp that, you know, is really Nathan or something.

[Josh]

Is that. Is that a production still from the film Lincoln? Just Sally Field dresses Mary Todd Lincoln.

[Ronnie]

I think he really likes me. She's like, well, I've still got reservations because it's Joe, but I'm happy for you.

[Josh]

And that's cute.

[Ronnie]

You're gonna look so cute sobbing in a couple of weeks.

[Josh]

You know, I've been very skeptical about Joe's indention with V, but it's. If it ends up that this is a real thing, I'm more than happy to be wrong about it, even though I won't be. You know, seeing Joe like this, it's genuinely amazing to see how long he's put up this facade.

[Ronnie]

So now she's asking Nathan about his season, and he's like, I suck. I'm enjoying it. But like, this. This is crazy. And she'. You know, it's hard because you're a head of department and you can't be yourself. And she reminds him. She's like, my first season was rough, and I forgot how rough it was until we see clips of the Below Deck down under first season. And it was bad. I mean, she had it really bad. So, I mean, it gave me some hope for him. God, that chef was really a piece of shit, wasn't he? God, he was the worst.

[Josh]

Oh, he was the worst. The worst of all time. Yeah. So. But yeah, gosh, she's really grown so much. It's so funny because Asia came on and she was like this young, young newbies, and now she really is like an authority figure and she has, like, wisdom and she sees things. It's so wild.

[Ronnie]

I like the way she's brought kind of a new vibe onto it where it used to be standard. Like, they have to be kind of in some way like that. They kind of tried to do the Kate and Hannah thing with everybody, and it didn't always work, but they've always tried to cast that of kind, that type. And they. They ended up with Asia, who is completely opposite of that type. And it's fun to see, you know, like, a different wacky type succeed.

[Josh]

Yeah. I think it's just, like, they have to express some sense of authority for us to respond well to them. So they can be cutting like Kate. They can be sort of like, emotionally raw like Hannah. They could be flustered like Daisy, you know, or they could be sort of like, like, very emotionally sort of. I don't know how to describe Asia, but, like, you know, kooky the way Asia is. But, like, as long as they be. Get the sense that they are good at their jobs and they know how to lead and that, like, they're dealing like that. That they are competent and that's the people under them that are, like, ruining their lives. That's what we like.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So now they do cheers and stuff. And now Max gets on Kathy. He's like, madam was there, Kathy. You know, when you give, I give it. You know, I give so much. I give to you so much of me. She's like, yes, you do. Actually, you've got quite a bit on my cheek. If you would just move your face a little bit back while you speak.

[Josh]

I think that maybe, like, as too much, you know, like, and that is my problem. Like, you. You know, it's like. It's like this. This power is, like, too much like that can make me fall. It's on me. And, like, you're so amazing, you know? Like, I like you. Okay. She's like, yes. Could you maybe like me, but silently in a different part of the room, though? That would be great.

[Ronnie]

Oh, I just want to kiss. You know, like, I say I want to kiss you. You know, I'm just feeling like. Because you tell me you feel. You know, this is how I am. Used too much.

[Josh]

No, I have energy. I've got power, willingness, you know, like, it's dangerous because I kind of give a lot. Come on.

[Ronnie]

Can I be honest with you?

[Josh]

Yes.

[Ronnie]

I guess that I'm, like, holding back a little bit.

[Josh]

But why. Why the would you hold back?

[Ronnie]

Because, you know, I was trying to keep it not so pressurized for you, but, like, I really feel poorly right now. Like, I'm feeling dizzy. Like, I need to go to bed. So please just stop talking.

[Josh]

Oh, you are lovesick. Is that what you're saying? You'll sick with love right now.

[Ronnie]

She's like, this guy's a lot. And I am relaxed and cool. Like, he needs to stop and he won't stop. And he's like, oh, no. When I start, I'm like, green flag, green flag. Oh, the race is on, you know, full spe.

[Josh]

It's like, look, it's not you, it's me. I'm sick. I'm nauseous. I don't want to say hi to anyone. I've dealt with. I've had to deal with Imran's penis. I just want to go back, don't take it personally. Yada, yada, yada. Whatever you need to hear. This is British for get out of my face, goodbye.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And she goes, I'm not very good with these chats. Like, I do everything I can to avoid these chats. So I'm. I'm trying, but today is just not my day. And he's like, cool. Okay, thank you. Now I'm trying to be smiley for everyone else, but inside I'm grumpy. He's like, oh, can I give you some energy? Let me pick you up. Like, oh, my God, leave me alone. Leave me alone.

[Josh]

So now Kizzy goes up to Nathan. She's like, it's interview time. You ask me a question, which we'll get through. And then you ask me a question. And then that's the real fun part. Okay, let's do it.

[Ronnie]

So he asks if she's still talking to her. Exactly.

[Josh]

No, not really. Do you talk with your ex? He's like, I'm trying, I'm trying.

[Ronnie]

I just can't it up. I can't it up, can I?

[Josh]

She's like, great. She's like, he's really in his head about this girl, which is quite sweet, but quite sad for him. Not. Not for me, though.

[Ronnie]

So he says that since he broke up with Gail, he's just been putting up a barrier because he's just too afraid of getting his emotions hurt.

[Josh]

Oh, please. You're the one who's hurting. You're. You're the active hurt. Er. Like, don't. Don't complain that you're gonna get your emotions hurt. You're the one who's doing this.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And she's like, well, I don't want to be thinking about my ex boyfriend. I just want to have a bit of fun.

[Josh]

So then he's asking.

[Ronnie]

Kissy is just like a car that is trying to start every morning. You know, the neighbor with that car that's just like, every morning. You hear. That car never goes anywhere. It never goes anywhere. Change the car, dude. Fix the car, okay? Because nobody's driving it.

[Josh]

She needs a spark. She also needs a plug. That's. That's her issue. So she's basically once again, like, he's like, so I noticed you seemed a bit down this charge. She's like, yes, I've been down. Oh, come on. Like, it was one day you were down doing laundry. Like, it's time to get over it.

[Ronnie]

Like, what does she want? She wants compliments from everybody. Like, are people supposed to just pass by you in the hall and be like, oh, my God, the fold you did on that toilet paper. I mean, that was amazing. I almost wiped my ass. I thought, is this a rose?

[Josh]

I know. So she's complaining again. So basically, Kathy takes over the. She. She kicks Nathan away. She's like, all right, what's going on? I just overheard. Is there anything else that you want to clear up with me? If there's anything with me, please, because honestly, I would rather talk to you than I would Max right now. That's how bad the situation is.

[Ronnie]

No matter how annoying you are, at least you're not trying to get into my pants. So please just tell me that you hate me. Anything.

[Josh]

I don't even need a compliment sandwich. Just give me the meats.

[Ronnie]

And she's like, no, no, for me, it was just a big change. You know, my ego was hurt. I was like, oh, God, I'm. I'm just not good, because you're sick at your job, you know? And you love it. That's really. Actually admirable. So admirable.

[Josh]

Even though last week she was like, oh, she's a yacht person. So, yeah, now Kizzy's happy.

[Ronnie]

But that's how she is. Kizzy is nice to your face and then slams you behind your back.

[Josh]

Yep. That's 100, right? And now she's saying that she's actually grateful, you know, because they could air it out. And, like, it's not even a Kathy problem. It's just, like, she's just searching for whatever she needs to do to be stronger or whatever. So basically, she's like, talk. And then once the person she talks about is like, what was that? She's like, oh, no, nothing. Everything's fine.

[Ronnie]

I love you. You're amazing. You know what I'm feeling about and bad about that. You're so amazing. God, you're amazing. Okay, good talk. God, I'm glad we had that talk.

[Josh]

Yeah. So now Kathy's in a bad mood, so she wants to go back. And then Asia's asking Nathan what's going on with. With Kizzy. And he's like, I have no idea, because I'm talking about my ex. And I'm like, oh. I'm like, sakes, here we go. Rehashing emotions. And this thought. What do I do with myself? I'm like, you either commit to being, like, being broken up with Gail and having fun on the boat, or you don't. But, like, don't do this half thing.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So everybody parties. Nathan and Joe. I mean, V and Joe are flirting and stuff. And then Kathy and Max go home together and. Or to the boat, whatever. And then we go to the club, and Josh and Asia are doing mime robot dancing together. And then Joe, you know, it's a bunch of wackiness stuff. And then we get more Joe and V flirting stuff. And he. She's like. He goes, this is nice, huh? She goes, it's very nice. And he goes, it's different. It's different for me. Like, what is it? What is different? You're. You're all over some girl in a club. This is like, every night of your life. How is this any different? Sure.

[Josh]

I know. So they're making out, and Josh sees it, and he's like, sad clown. Literally sad cloud. We see him in his clown makeup. Be like. He goes, I see you. I was like, okay, it's this poor Josh guy.

[Ronnie]

You're doing it to yourself. You know, it's just one of those, like, you're doing it to you Energy is coming through.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And there he's talking to V about how it's funny that Kizzy and Nate are making out because they don't even talk during the day. Like, he completely ignores her in the day and then just talks to her when he wants to get some. And Josh is like, yeah, she loves it.

[Josh]

So you know what I'm wondering about? I'm wondering if this is new for Joe and V. Victoria, this is very new for me.

[Ronnie]

Jesus. This is like watching the Titanic where you just. Well, I guess it was like the real Titanic where you just want the boat to sink. Like, just get to the boat sinking part. Just kill everybody. I'm not sitting here for two and a half hours for nothing. Just kill them all.

[Josh]

So she says, I know. Do you like it? Very much. It's like, I like it too. Yeah, because it's very new. What are you doing after the season? I was like, oh, don't. Don't do this. You know, you're not gonna do anything after the season with this girl. What are you doing? She goes, what am I doing after the season? Because I'd like to bring you to where I live. So I'm gonna make this promise now. And now that I've hooked you in, I could be like, you're crazy. She's all into me. She's going too fast. I want to go slow. This is new for me. I can't do it no more.

[Ronnie]

Yep, exactly. So she's cheering. She's like, I broke a man. Yes, girl. I broke him. Which, no, he's gonna have you sobbing your face off. So then more partying, blah, blah, blah. And then we go to the van where V and what's her. What's his face are making out. And then the other couple, Nate and Kizzy, are making out, and they're, like, really making out. And Asia and Josh are just sitting behind them like, oh, God. And it makes it worse because Asia's in those poofy sleeves and Josh is just a clown.

[Josh]

So they're just like, yeah, it's. It's. It's a lot of gratuitous makeout sessions. I miss school. They're really playing up, up. Like, Asia misses Scott this season. They're really, like, leaning into that.

[Ronnie]

I just don't want. I don't care this much about your. This is below deck enough, like, homely people. I have to see it in the food court every time I go there. I don't need it here. You know, like Gary Shandling used to say, I went to a food court, and I saw so many ugly people kissing ugly people. Please stop.

[Josh]

Rip. Gary Shandling.

[Ronnie]

Oh, I'm bringing up a lot of dead people today. Geez, you really are every.

[Josh]

Every. All your references are dead people. You're like Geraldine Ferraro. Gary Shandling.

[Ronnie]

I'm just at retirement now. I think that's my way of saying I'm retiring.

[Josh]

Even brought up poor. What's her face flow? What was her.

[Ronnie]

I love her Kiss my mail.

[Josh]

Polly.

[Ronnie]

Polly Holiday.

[Josh]

Polly Holiday. Yes, my Grace.

[Ronnie]

So, yeah, I think that's her, Rip. Yeah, Rip. So anyway, it's a lot of flirting. It's gross. I'm sick of it. I'm tired of it. Really tired of it. Kathy and Max flirt on the deck now, and she's like, okay, I'm going to bed now. It's like, oh, this is the buy you give me. Oh, gosh. God, you're so extra. Good night, Max. Sleep well, my love. My family owned a cab company. I'm raw. Goodbye.

[Josh]

We've reached. Just stop Now. I'm off duty. The light is off.

[Ronnie]

So, yes, now we're making out some.

[Josh]

Or almost.

[Ronnie]

So V's in bed with Kizzy, and Kizzy's, like, in the thong and, like, a little belly shirt, and she's yelling for Nathan to come in because she wants a cuddle. And then Joe and V go into the cabin, and Nathan has just a towel on, and he doesn't want the lights on because, you know, he's gonna bone her. And he thinks that, yeah, it's gonna hide it or something. But then. Yeah. So now Josh. Josh and Max are talking, and he's like, oh, my God, I give so much. I just give too much, you know, because I am someone who gets a lot of energy. But the energy I get from Cassie is not the same. If the energy you got from Kathy was the same, you'd be like, two murders crossing America right now together. You'd both be nut psycho killers. No one should have the energy you have. It's creepy. You have creepy energy.

[Josh]

Much? Yeah, too much.

[Ronnie]

He's gonna hurt some. Like, he's gonna probably get arrested one day. I won't say hurt somebody, but possibly get arrested for, like, stalking or something.

[Josh]

No, I think he's just gonna. He'll find someone who. Who. Who likes that energy, and they're gonna have, like, a very suburban family life. Like, he's gonna. You can see him with his barbecue and everything. It'll be a whole thing. So, yeah, I do see that. So now Nathan is making out with Kizzy, but Asia comes in with her. Her. Her customary drunk noodles. She's like, you have to go. Bye. So he leaves and he's like, oh, God. With Kizzy, I just feel like I'm being self destructive. Like, pointless hookups is just something that doesn't bring me any fulfillment. It doesn't satisfy anything for me anymore. Will I go for them? Sure. Sure was. I only stopped because of Asia, not for my own willpower. Absolutely. But I don't like it. Oh, poor me.

[Ronnie]

So she. Asia, drops her bowl off the top, which is really funny. It's like. And then Joe cuddles with V and tells her that he's never felt this before.

[Josh]

I can't with this guy this before. Oh, my God.

[Ronnie]

He's like, you're so special. I'm so happy. And we just hear smooching. Sounds good. Yeah, he's definitely. She warns over.

[Josh]

Yeah. And she. Well, because she warns them, like, by the way, just in like eight days, it's gonna be like the anniversary, and I don't know how I'm gonna react. He's like, great, so now I know exactly the day when I can blame you for our demise. Great.

[Ronnie]

She did also say something. She also did give us kind of a clue into the. The fact that she might be crazy herself. Like, we're focusing so much on the guys, and she has such a tragic backstory that I don't think we're really clocking it. But definitely in this scene, you kind of. I clocked. I mean, I thought so. It was pretty obvious. But she's like, you know, like, I'm gonna really be going through it with all this stuff. He's like, okay, well, I'm so sorry you're going through that. And she goes, yeah, I just. I'm so sick of guys like that. Can't get used to my traumas. Well, she said something like that. Like, I just. I need a guy who's not going to be afraid of all my traumas. And I was like, oh, no, because we know about the one. But when you say, like, I need someone who's comfortable with all my traumas. Yikes.

[Josh]

That's not going to be Joe. I'm gonna say that right now.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, but also, yikes to you. Like, who says that when they're wanting to date somebody? Like, you know, I really need to find a guy who's okay with all my traumas.

[Josh]

The fuck? No, I'm not.

[Ronnie]

I mean, I'm okay with some of them, but like, why is that? Is that, like, a thing that we're gonna have to do? All right, your trauma's time. Bring them out. No, I'm busy. I'm very busy. All right, everybody, thank you for being here through our traumas. We sure love you guys. It's been fun.

[Josh]

I just want to say, also, Ronnie, thank you for podcasting with me today. This is all very new to me. This is so new.

[Ronnie]

Be a boss, everybody. Go forth and be a boss.

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