#3097 RHOSLC S612 Part One: Boston Pee Party

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #3097 RHOSLC S612 Part One: Boston Pee Party

Podcast Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Air Date: December 3, 2025

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Episode Overview

Ben and Ronnie dive into Season 6, Episode 12 of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC), reveling in the episode’s central spectacle: the Housewives’ Boston Tea Party–themed showdown. They gleefully dissect the antics, costumes, and delusions, especially focusing on Whitney’s MLM business woes and Bronwyn’s citizenship-themed “community theater.” Both hosts bring their signature humor and Bravo expertise, offering commentary that is equal parts affectionate roast and sharp critique.

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Key Discussion Points & Segment Timestamps

1. The Community Theater Housewives

Timestamp: 05:41–07:04

• Ben and Ronnie immediately note how the episode hit peak “community theater,” with Housewives donning “cheap costumes,” wielding quill pens, and literally squabbling on a warehouse stage.
  • Ben: “This was an episode where the women got into cheap costumes and sat on a stage in sort of like a V formation, cheating out to the audience... They were literally putting on a scene for us at, like, a community. Like, a warehouse.” [05:41]
• Ronnie points out the hilarious visual of Housewives brandishing quill pens during shouting matches.

2. Whitney Rose’s MLM Business Meltdown

Timestamp: 07:04–38:54

• Ronnie skewers Whitney for blaming husband Justin for her failed MLM (Multi-Level Marketing) cosmetics venture, “Wild Rose Beauty.”
  • Ronnie: “Whitney Rose... pretending she didn't understand what MLMs were and blaming everything on Justin. What a dick this lady is. What an absolute piece of work...” [07:04]
• The hosts break down the murky details of Whitney’s failed business, her claim that she could’ve gone big with Sephora, and her deflection of blame onto Justin.
  • Ronnie: “Does anybody understand what the fuck Whitney is talking about in this scene? I actually had to do research at the end of this...” [25:24]
  • Ben: “Even if you do get it back, people are gonna see Wild Rose and just associate it with whatever thing it just got associated with. Start fresh, Whitney.” [26:50]
• Both hosts highlight the pattern of Housewives launching beauty brands to “cash in on fleeting fame,” suggesting Whitney try something authentic, local, and non-predatory instead.

3. Ben’s Twitter List Drama

Timestamp: 12:12–15:55

• Ben recounts how his list of favorite Housewives (introduced on Patreon, later tweeted publicly) lit up Twitter and drew fierce fan backlash.
  • Ben: “People are unhappy that I put Dolores so high. People are really unhappy that I put Dolores and Sutton so high... They’re pissed. I’ve made the people angry, but I think we’ll all survive.” [14:58]
• Ronnie and Ben riff on Bravo fan intensity and the subjectivity of Housewives power rankings.

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4. Bronwyn’s Sloth Costume, Bobs, and the Vanishing Dogs

Timestamp: 08:10–12:02

• The episode opens with Bronwyn greeting Todd at the airport in an inflatable sloth costume, to his visible annoyance.
  • Ronnie: “The best part was just watching Todd at baggage claim... the amount of annoyance and perturbance on his face... Perturbitude.” [08:10]
• Tangent about the prevalence of bobs in Bronwyn’s household and a conspiracy about the disappearance of her dogs.

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5. The “Boston Tea Party” – Heather’s Themed Intervention

Timestamp: 19:42–38:54; 53:10–61:02

• Heather, inspired by her citizenship ceremony, plans a “Boston Tea Party” to air grievances and “form a new constitution.”
  • Heather: “To celebrate my citizenship and becoming an American, I was thinking of having a Boston Tea Party... get all the gossip out and come together.” [20:13]
• The cast arrives at a loading dock in colonial drag, some half-heartedly (Lisa Barlow does not do costumes).
  • Ben: “Angie K. Arriving at, like, a loading dock... dressed like Betsy Ross... standing on this industrial loading dock in the middle of a parking lot. She’s as confused as we are.” [53:10]
  • Ronnie: “It’s not Real Housewives of Salt Lake City if someone’s not filming something at a U-Haul rental center.” [53:37]
• Ben and Ronnie roast the group’s lack of historical knowledge and commitment to the theme.

6. Mother-Daughter Heart-to-Heart: Bronwyn & Muzzy

Timestamp: 43:00–52:59

• Bronwyn and her mother, Muzzy, pack Pride flags to protest Utah’s ban on LGBTQ+ flags at government buildings, leading to awkward but uplifting exchanges about acceptance and generational cycles.
• Touching moment as Muzzy struggles to vocalize her pride in Bronwyn.
  • Muzzy: “I need to hear it.”
  • Ronnie: “...for her to be willing to say it to me is a huge step for her. And I think that, like, sometimes you just have to hear it.” [52:18]
• Commentary about navigating difficult family relationships, with Ronnie drawing from personal experience.

7. Miscellaneous Moments

• Air fryer craze hits the Housewives:
  • Heather: “The first one is that I bought an air fryer. It’s changed my life.” [41:17]
  • Ben: “...the thing I’m most disappointed is that it took her this long to get an air fryer because she just has air fryer energy.” [41:34]
• School color debates, pastels vs. scarlet-and-black (University of Tampa vs. University of Utah), and forced symbolism with the “bob” haircut.
• Quips about predatory business models and alternatives for reality stars:
  • Ronnie: “Don’t open a business that’s predatory on women trying to make a living, which is what MLMs for the most part are. I’m not going to feel sorry for Whitney, who’s an MLM head.” [37:22]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Community Theater Energy:
  • “This was as close to your description as we could possibly get. I mean, they were literally in a warehouse doing a scene...” – Ben [06:06]
• On Whitney’s Business Blame Game:
  • “What a dick this lady is. What an absolute piece of work this woman is. And you know what? I found it absolutely hilarious.” – Ronnie [07:04]
• On Bravo Twitter Outrage:
  • “People are not happy... They're actually, like, very angry.” – Ben [14:58]
• On Real Housewives Business Failures:
  • “Don’t throw good money after bad... Sometimes you make things and then you move on. It’s okay.” – Ben [27:28]
• On Muzzy’s (Bronwyn’s Mom) Redemption Arc:
  • “...sometimes you just have to hear it. That’s why you get a bob so you have less hair in front of your ears. You can hear the things.” – Heather (impersonation) [52:18]
• On the Bob Haircut as Family Heirloom:
  • “What’s the opposite of generational trauma? Generational bob, Ma. Okay, that’s what we have.” – Ben [50:47]
• On Lisa Barlow’s Non-Costume:
  • “Lisa is not dressed properly as usual. Lisa refused to do the costume.” – Ronnie [59:54]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Community Theater Housewives Theme: 05:41–07:04
• Whitney's MLM Meltdown: 07:04–38:54
• Heather’s Themed Party Planning: 19:42–20:13
• Ben's Twitter Scandal/Housewives List: 12:12–15:55
• Mother-Daughter Pride Flag Scene: 43:00–52:59
• Boston Tea Party / Warehouse Confrontation: 53:10–61:02

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Episode Tone

The episode is lush with inside jokes, theatrical recaps, and quick-witted banter. The hosts maintain a playful, slightly irreverent tone, blending deep Bravo lore with affectionate mockery. There’s sincere discussion about family and vulnerability, but most of the recap is drenched in sarcasm, humor, and Bravo fan camaraderie.

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Summary Takeaway

Watch What Crappens delivers a detailed, joke-heavy deconstruction of RHOSLC’s “Boston Pee Party” episode, from faux-historical shade sessions to the pathos of MLM failure and awkward family reconciliation. The recap is essential listening for any Bravo fan craving a blend of sharp wit, genuine insight, and plenty of “bob”-related wordplay.

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[Ben]

Watch what crap. Watch what happen. Who cares what happens when there's so much.

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[Ronnie]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben Uni over there. Hello, Ben. How are you?

[Ben]

I'm great, thanks. How are you doing?

[Ronnie]

Good. Everybody, welcome back to Watch what Crappens. It is Vanderpump Rules Day for all those who celebrate. We will be covering that after Salt Lake City, so come back later for little Pumpy rules. We're back, darling. Better than ever. I don't know if the word better than ever, but I'll tell you what, the Philips hue bulbs are still a burning in that place. A lot of pink lighting. Okay, that's coming up Monday. We have an Amazon Live join us for that every Monday at 4pm Pacific Time. And that's it. Really? Right now? You know what?

[Muzzy]

That's it. Okay.

[Ronnie]

We're getting ready to record with the Reality Gaze, our Christmas movie for the year. We finally decided it will be the Secret Santa, which is a really stupid movie on Netflix. An incredibly stupid movie on Netflix. So get.

[Ben]

You watch it already?

[Ronnie]

No, I just watched a preview and I was like, why? Why do we do this?

[Ben]

You know, I believe it's called My Secret Santa. Not the Secret Santa, just My Secret Santa. Just really make sure we're, you know, we want to. We want to honor the form.

[Ronnie]

So it's about a girl who decides to pretend to be Santa. So she gets some gays over, I'm assuming, and they do all this, like, CGI and makeup on her. And so she becomes Santa. So guys, hilarity will ensue. Okay. We'll be doing that during Christmas week.

[Ben]

Oh, yes. I have to say, first of all, thank you to our listeners for listening to our show because all this Spotify rap stuff started coming out and so we looked at ours and the. The numbers were crazy. And it said that our listeners on Spotify Listen to 230 million minutes of us. So thank you, thank you, thank you for spending that time. That is crazy. So thank you very much.

[Ronnie]

Yes, and thanks to all the partners and husbands out there. Wives, we listen dogs who are forced to listen.

[Ben]

Suckers.

[Ronnie]

We look forward to torturing you for another year at least. But today, we are torturing you with these sweet screeches of Real Housewives of so. Salt Lake City Season 6 Episode 12 First Amendment Rights and Wrongs.

[Ben]

You know, Ronnie, you've often said that Salt Lake City is the community theater of the Housewives, and this was the closest that that has come to reality, because this was an episode where the women got into cheap costumes and sat on a stage in sort of like a V formation, cheating out to the audience. And we're, like, literally putting on a scene for us at, like, a community. Like, a warehouse.

[Heather]

Like, it was.

[Ben]

This was as close to your description as we could possibly get. I mean, they were literally in a warehouse doing a scene, and they were.

[Ronnie]

Saying, literally, like, for anybody who's ever done community theater, we've heard these lines in rehearsal before. You know, like, when you're sitting around and you're going through notes and somebody gets all mad because they keep getting a note and they just can't ever get their scene right or whatever.

[Muzzy]

And then you just hear, alcoholic pill popper.

[Ronnie]

We've all been there.

[Ben]

All been there.

[Ronnie]

What. What an episode.

[Ben]

And what was also great is that, as we will get to, they all had quill pens, which meant that then when they started to argue, they couldn't resist shaking their quill pens at each other. So even though they were having very serious arguments and yelling and crying and. And making accusations, they were shaking these, like, frilly feathers at each other. And it just was such a hilarious visual.

[Ronnie]

And then my favorite piece of theater, Whitney Rose, sitting on her patio with a glass of wine, pretending she didn't understand what MLMs were and blaming everything on Justin. What a dick this lady is. What an absolute piece of work this woman is. And you know what? I found it absolutely hilarious. And just Justin's face, like, well, don't really. Don't really know what to say.

[Ben]

Was. Was a little. Was a little odd. It was. Well, we'll get to it. But it was.

[Muzzy]

Dare you force me to go into an animal M. I could have been in Sephora's.

[Ronnie]

No, no, you couldn't have, girl.

[Muzzy]

They wouldn't even take that shit in.

[Ronnie]

Lubies, and we all know it.

[Ben]

She's acting like she turned down, like, a Billion dollars. She's acting like she's gonna be the next Selena Gomez.

[Heather]

Like I was gonna be Selena Gomez.

[Ben]

Hilarious.

[Ronnie]

Okay, so we open with Bronwyn in one of our wacky outfits picking up Todd from the airport. This also. I mean, literally every scene in this, I loved. You know, a lot of people have been maybe complaining about this episode online. Just saying it's kind of boring. I did not think it was boring.

[Ben]

What?

[Ronnie]

I thought it was fabulous. I mean, even this first scene with her showing up in that airport in that sloth costume. But the best part, even though she's in an inflatable sloth costume, the best part was just watching Todd al. That baggage claim. Just the amount of annoyance and perturbance on his face. Her perturbatory.

[Ben]

Just being, like, perturbitude. He was already.

[Heather]

He was just angry.

[Ben]

He was angry from flying. He was angry for being at the bad carousel. He was angry that there was cameras capturing him from two different angles. And he knew that every single time a bag came down, that. That, like, conveyor belt, he was like.

[Heather]

Well, it's another bag that's not mine. What a day this is. What a day of travel.

[Ronnie]

Wow.

[Muzzy]

How am I gonna be the first person off the plane and the last person to get their luggage? Someone call the manager.

[Heather]

What do you mean? I had to discard my Werther's Originals. It's not even a liquid.

[Muzzy]

You can bring that through the security detectors. What's wrong with that? You can't even bring Listerine on a plane anymore. Did anybody blow up a plane with Listerine? Please point me to the news headline when that happens.

[Ben]

Yeah, he already looked pretty grumpy or post grumpy from his flight. He's probably grumpy because he can't look at all the things he wants to look at on an iPad anymore. When he's sitting there in his. In his seat, he's like, damn it.

[Heather]

Gotta just read the headlines.

[Muzzy]

Hi, Todd. Todd, honey, what'd you do on the plane? And he's like, well, I watched some videos on the iPad. I had to not watch any boobies on my text is just in case any your lady spies are behind me. That was great.

[Ben]

Yeah, he. He literally says.

[Heather]

He.

[Ben]

He's like, yeah, I watched some stuff. I. I looked at some stuff I downloaded onto my iPad. I was like, todd, just don't even. Don't talk. Just don't mention the iPad.

[Ronnie]

Don't.

[Ben]

Don't bring that up. Don't imagine things you downloaded. Just say. Just say you Watch crazy rich Asians. That is the catch all for the show.

[Muzzy]

Now, I don't remember the ending, though. How come no one knows the ending to that movie?

[Ben]

I honestly don't remember the ending of the movie either. I just remember the mahjong scene, and then that's it. After that, it's a blank.

[Ronnie]

But then again, was the best. Yes. With the mom. When she finally, like, won the mom over in the mahjong scene. Yeah.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Heather]

Why have we not gotten a sequel?

[Ben]

I feel like we've been sitting here waiting dutifully for, like, years and years. We get sequels.

[Heather]

Yeah, we get sequels to every other.

[Ben]

Inane movie that's out there. But, like, no, but it's a rough.

[Ronnie]

Economy, and no one's. No one's crazy rich anymore.

[Muzzy]

Yeah, we were crazy rich till we saw our Netflix bill. Now we're crazy poor Asians with Netflix with two decent shows on it.

[Ben]

It's true. Honestly, everything's so expensive. It's. You know, you're right.

[Muzzy]

How many times I said I watch Wednesday in a row?

[Ben]

Yeah, it's like.

So Ron's saying that basically, you know, like, she and Todd are married, and, you know, it's okay. You know, they are having issues, but doesn't mean she doesn't want to be married to him, you know, and that their relationship can. Can withstand the good times and the hard times.

[Ronnie]

She's basically like, yeah, Todd's still.

[Muzzy]

Todd's still grumpy.

[Ronnie]

And Todd is also still very, very rich.

[Muzzy]

I'm staying.

[Ronnie]

Like, I'm staying.

[Heather]

I. I had a week with just Muzzy and Gwyn, and, like, once we all got our matching bobs, we sort of ran out of things to talk about, so decided I'd bring Todd back into the mix.

[Muzzy]

I can't quit.

[Ronnie]

I can't quit my husband until he's got a bob. Everyone in my household will have a bob. Like, we don't even see the dogs anymore. And, you know, they're walking around with little bobs. Why don't we see those dogs anymore? What happened to all the dogs? Like, I get it, you know, you. You got shamed for all the dog poop in your house. So now what you do? Slaughter the dogs where the dogs, like, fed to people under a bridge. Where are the dogs? I'm worried about the dogs now.

[Ben]

Is the reunion being taped right now, by the way? I think it's happening today. Yeah, I think Andy. Andy sent out that bat signal last.

[Heather]

Night saying, like, whoever has any questions, ask them.

[Ben]

And I was trying to Come up with a really good and funny question about Bob's. But I. I got distracted. Also, I'm. I'm currently being dragged on Twitter, which is, like, very fun.

[Ronnie]

Really? Yeah.

[Ben]

Oh, yeah.

[Ronnie]

What did you.

[Ben]

Because I posted that stupid list of housewives that, like, best house. I was like, here's my work in progress of best housewives who were cast from season five or later. But it was. Well, I did this right before we did our bonus episode.

[Heather]

Oh, yeah.

[Ben]

So shout out to our bonus episode. Among other things. We talked about this list. We talked it through, revised it. We both agreed that I had initially put Porsche way too low.

[Heather]

I don't know.

[Ben]

Like, I did the list. Initial list was like, 2:00am and I just, you know, you start to overthink things. And I was like, well, I like Porsche. Portia's great. But I don't know. Is she overrated? Is she not overrated? Sometimes she checks out. So I put her at number seven, which is still very high. And then we moved her up to number five. Like, you. You made a very good point of, like, she should definitely be top five. Well, the initial list is out there on Twitter, and people are not happy. And. Well, but then again, people are not happy about literally every single thing. Like, people are like, where's. Where's this person? Where's that person? That person? Too low. Rena should be number five. Rena should be number 12. How could you say this? You said Dr. Tiffany Moon, but you didn't say Dr. Wendy Osefo. It's like, everywhere. It's actually hilarious.

[Ronnie]

Doctor title on accident.

[Heather]

Well, because I.

[Ben]

Well, it was by accent, but also I'm thinking like, medical doctor. And I'm also, like, I always feel like we always call Tiffany Moon Dr. Tiffany Moon, but we never say Dr. Wendy Ocefo. It's a fair point, actually. I mean, she's still a doctor. She deserves her doctorate. But either way, it's like I'm getting it left and right. But it's fun. That's like, I've never.

[Ronnie]

Housewives opinions. That's what you get.

[Ben]

I know. I know.

[Heather]

Exactly.

[Ben]

It's just funny because I've never gotten such hostility before, but I. But it's fun.

[Ronnie]

It's, like, really fun to get toughening up over there.

[Ben]

Geez, I know. You gotta go through it once. Well, our friend, remember Eric Williams from GAS Podcast? You know, he posted that Halloween costume he did back in October? You know about this?

[Ronnie]

What was it? Just for people who don't know.

[Ben]

So he. Since he has a A passing resemblance to the dad from Inside. Inside out from Pixar. He posted. He made that, like. He did, like, a sexy version of that where he basically just, like, stuffed his crotch. And he put that on Twitter, and it got 9 million responses from basically gays saying that he, like, wishes he looked like that.

[Heather]

He's like, no.

[Ben]

All the gays just attacked him. Nine million gays attacked him.

[Ronnie]

Oh, my gosh.

[Ben]

Nine million. He had, like, nine million responses. It went viral. It's hilarious. Mine, I've had, like, 40. I'm like, oh, my God. He had 9 million.

[Ronnie]

Wow. You should have. You should have had the COVID The COVID image of your list of housewives with you just with your junk stuffed.

[Ben]

I know. I should have. People are unhappy that I put Dolores so high. People are really unhappy that I put Dolores and Sutton so high. Which. I get it. I get it. But it's like. But they're, like, angry. They're actually, like, very angry.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Like, it's your personal list. You know, everybody has their own list. You know, you make your own list. Okay. Make your own.

[Ben]

I know, but people are, like. They're pissed. They're pissed. I've made the people angry, but I think we'll all survive. But it's also kind of funny. That's kind of a red badge of courage, so.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I like it. A red badge of courage. It is. Yeah. I made it through this.

[Ben]

I made it.

[Ronnie]

You're gonna make it through.

[Ben]

40 people. 40 people were angry at me.

[Ronnie]

You're gonna make it into 20, 26. So much stronger because of this. Ben, you did.

[Ben]

It is a work in progress, and I. And I will. I. I did it.

[Muzzy]

Right?

[Ben]

And I did post the revised version from Patreon on Twitter as well, so. But no one seems to care about the revised. No one cares about the revised version. They only care about the initial rough draft.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, well, you know what? We're all a work in progress, everybody. You just keep putting one foot in front of the other. Let's just keep on moving. Keep it moving. So Todd's like, so how was your.

[Muzzy]

Week while I'm gone? Let me guess. You bought a bunch of expensive clothes and threw sheets over dog shit on the ground instead of cleaning it up.

[Heather]

Well, yes. And also, my week was, like, not that good. I'm in big trouble. I. I released a rough draft of a list of housewives on Twitter, and.

[Ben]

People are not happy about that.

[Heather]

And also.

Additionally, can you guess the.

[Ben]

Other reason why I'm not in good mood? In good.

[Heather]

In good Graces right now.

[Muzzy]

Maybe because you put satin too far up when she's a ding bad, do nothing. Gold digging hump or nothing.

[Heather]

Well, I think that people have to realize that, like, yes, she is that. But like, when she has her meltdown, they're pretty famous and she has a lot of famous lines and I don't know, people need to reconsider that. Oh, I don't want to talk about something.

[Muzzy]

What'd your friends do? Okay, well, now one more thing. How could you put somebody on a list who got rid of who betrayed black girl missing?

[Heather]

Well, you know, I mean, like, yes, I'm not saying that she's like, doesn't have to be our hero. She can be our villain. But like, you know, she's. She's still worth being on the list there. And she revitalized Real House House of Beverly Hills when it was definitely in its rut and it's post Lisa Vanderbump rut. So, you know, I think this deserves credit for that too. But I really want to talk about my friends. Todd.

[Muzzy]

I'm unfollowing this newspaper. What do you call them now? Go ahead about your friends, Bitch about the friends I told you to stop hanging out with.

[Heather]

Well, just so you know, it's called Twitter, but now it's called X. I don't want to talk about my ex. How many times I tell you?

[Muzzy]

Why are we still talking about my texts?

[Ronnie]

So she's like, well, what did you.

[Muzzy]

Advise me to do before you left when we went to get coffee?

[Ronnie]

And he's like, well, not get involved.

[Muzzy]

With the situation on an airplane. Snakes on a plane. That's the last thing I'll talk about in any situation on a plane. I don't want to talk about airplanes no more.

[Heather]

They bring nothing but bad news to this family.

[Muzzy]

Whatever happened to horses?

[Heather]

Remember the days when you would put in some headphones like that were a stethoscope and plug them into the armrest?

[Muzzy]

Those are.

[Heather]

That's what it's called. Twa. I miss that airline.

[Muzzy]

Well, what do you think I did? I'm sure you got involved with a bunch of dingbats in the situation on a plane. And I'm sure it turned into a show.

[Heather]

Well, yep. Huh. That's true. That's exactly what happened. So. Well, I was trying to do the right thing, and Whitney's mad because I told Meredith what she said, and I'm. I'm really bummed out because Whitney's not going to trust me and she's not. And she's going to be mad at me.

[Ben]

I'm like, yeah, but that's because Whitney said that thing, and you went and told Meredith, so of course she's not going to trust you. Bronwyn.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, anyone has an idiot to trust. Bronwyn. She's the worst. I mean, and that's saying a lot, because this is Housewives, and that's a normal thing to, like, hear one thing and then go, I mean, she's even worse. Heather. And Heather is the worst of all the franchises. Until Bronwyn. But Bronwyn. Yeah, I wouldn't trust her. So Todd's like, well, this group needs.

[Muzzy]

To sit down, have a Kumbaya, and drink some fiber, because you're all. You're all constipated, every one of you.

[Heather]

Yeah, you're stupid. Okay, well, you know what? That was unnecessary, Todd, that last remark. You don't have to approve of what we do, but you don't have to call us stupid. But you know what? I'm starting to think it's. Maybe we can't seem to move forward.

[Muzzy]

Because, well, there's a news flash. Hold on, let me roll down the window. Hi. News flash. My wife is starting to think.

[Heather]

Well, I think that everybody's worried that everybody still has something that they don't know about. You know, does that make sense? So I was. Have I had this idea? Well, my first idea was everyone should get a bob. And then I realized people are not going to do that. So I thought, well, to celebrate my citizenship and becoming an American, I was thinking of having a spill of the Boston Tea Party, which is funny because I'm pretty sure no one in the cast knows what the Boston Tea Party even is. They probably think it has something to do with brewing some Lipton and then knocking it over and saying, go, socks. But that's okay. Yeah.

[Muzzy]

It's a Boston Tea Party. So I want to get all the gossip out and all of our animosity out. And then I think we come together and we form a new constitution. Todd, what do you think of that?

[Ronnie]

And he's like, wow.

[Muzzy]

God, now they hang the traitors in that area. That's what they did. You gonna hang them? What, are you gonna hang Lisa Barlow from a scarecrow post? Dare you.

[Ronnie]

Get away from me, crows. You're disgusting. If I only had a bride.

[Ben]

So then we go to Whitney's house, and now here's serious Whitney staring off into the hills of her.

[Ronnie]

Of her staring off into the freeway. Whatever the hell. The freeway. By a pond. She's just Sitting there with her glass.

[Muzzy]

Of wine like, I am so mad. I'm gonna have a scene about it.

[Ben]

She looks at the the lights of the Paneras coming on as the sun sets.

[Muzzy]

So Justin's like, nothing calms my nerves like meditating while I stare at people parking at Jersey Mike's.

[Heather]

People come, people go, they get their subways and I stay here in the same place because I failed.

[Muzzy]

I failed. It's time for a commercial.

[Ronnie]

It's time for a crappin's commercial.

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[Ronnie]

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So Justin comes out there and he's.

[Muzzy]

Like, oh, hey, Whit.

[Ronnie]

And she's just staring at the Panera and he's like, so what are you.

[Muzzy]

Thinking about there, Whit?

[Ronnie]

What are you thinking about?

[Ben]

A question no one has ever asked her. What are you thinking about, Whitney?

[Ronnie]

Do you have a blank whiteboard?

[Ben]

I feel like what she thinks about is like, I feel like she's still trying to figure out a puzzle from like classic concentration in 1987.

[Heather]

It was an I, but then there was a C and then there was a sheep. What does that mean?

[Ben]

I see you.

[Heather]

Thank you for understanding. We can't. Still can't figure this out though.

[Muzzy]

Well, I just saw a large transfer from our bank account to one of our vendors and that hurt.

I don't say tease at the end of words. That hurt.

[Heather]

Yeah, I had to lose all my teas because I. Because I failed. I lost the right to use the tease.

[Ben]

So then Justin is like, I like that she's saying that like, oh my God, he is like he's making payments without her. Like, consent. And then he's like, well, I just felt like we have to make things right with people we owe money to. She's like, but why.

[Ronnie]

This woman who was just screaming at Lisa Barlow for not paying her bills at the beginning of the season and screwing people over in the in business wants to screw people over in business? I mean, this is just so fucking hypocritical, Whitney. It tracks. It totally tracks.

[Heather]

I was really hurt when you paid.

[Ben]

The vendor we owed money to.

[Ronnie]

I think we should really pay all the people that we ripped off.

[Ben]

I'm assuming what she meant is, like, it's just a reminder of how much they failed, is that they had to pay all this. It's like more money going out the door.

[Heather]

So she's like, it just sucks because my intuition going into this knew not to do it, and I didn't listen.

[Ben]

I'm like, is it about your hair color? We all understand it was for a good cause. It's okay, Whitney.

[Ronnie]

Is it that top?

[Muzzy]

We took woolrose. We took woolrose.

[Ronnie]

I kept thinking she was saying Valders. Like, she has such a weird way of pronouncing. Did you notice that? She kept going.

[Muzzy]

We took Waldrose Beauty and we merged it into a new. And unfortunately, I made a really bad decision. And right now I'm trying to get out of ownership of this company. I'm fighting to get my name off it, to remove me as an owner and to get back to my biggest asset, which is the name, the brand, and the inventory.

[Ronnie]

I was like, so the whole thing. Does anybody understand what the fuck Whitney is talking about in the scene? Because I actually had to do research at the end of this. And I used to actually follow Whitney's businesses quite a bit because they were always in trouble. You know, Whitney has been in trouble for years. Ever since she's come on this show for her businesses being MLMs and everything else, them coming for Whitney for this. And there was a big TikTok scandal last year in October of last year, which I know because I looked it up about this business, and I still don't understand what the hell's going on. I still don't. And I'm trying, you guys. I'm making an effort. But apparently she had an MLM with Justin's MLM because she met Justin doing MLMs. That's when they started their affair. He was running an mlm. She was working for the mlm. They had an affair. They. On both their spouses. Whatever. They left their spouses. Fine. They're having Fun. Now they're happy. But they've. He's continued to do MLMs. That's the company that he left after their chocolate sex spanking scandal. That is now the job that he has again. So the fact that Whitney's just pretending, like, what?

[Muzzy]

You talked me into an mlm, I never wanted to do that.

[Ronnie]

It's crazy, right?

[Ben]

Well, also, when she's like.

[Heather]

She's like, I need to get back my biggest assets, which is my Wild.

[Ben]

Rose Beauty name, I'm like, is that your biggest asset? Because you just said it's like, it's.

[Heather]

Just a big failure. It's nothing but failure.

[Ben]

I'm like, even if you do get it back, people are gonna see Wild Rose and just associate it with whatever thing it just got associated with. Start fresh, Whitney. I mean, cash in on your fame for sure, but Start Fresh, it's okay. There are other names out there. You can make other words with Rose, it's all good.

[Heather]

I say leave it behind and.

[Ben]

And start something new. Like. Yeah, this is too much work. Too much work.

[Ronnie]

I mean, her third one since the show started. It's her third business, which is great. Yeah.

[Ben]

Don't throw. Don't throw bad. Good money after bad, you know, like, after TV gasm, I. You know, look, I left TV gas, and that was something I had started, and I was like, you know what? Moved on, and you just move on.

[Heather]

You start something new.

[Ben]

You just go forward, you know, like, it's sad to leave your babies behind, but, you know, well, luckily my baby was in the hands of you, so it was in good. It was in good stewardship.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

It wasn't really your fault, but either way, the point is that, like, sometimes.

[Heather]

You make things and then you move on. It's okay.

[Ben]

Come on, Wild Rose.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I moved on to crappings.

[Muzzy]

You see.

[Ronnie]

Well, I moved on to trash talk tv and then. And then crap ins. It all. It all works. It all works out.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

So now business advice for your aunts. Yeah, Your aunties. And a lot of them will fail. And that's okay. Failure's fine.

[Ben]

Okay.

[Ronnie]

Just keep going. So Whitney is saying she doesn't feel like she was being told the truth with Justin, because I never would have fucking done this. My vision was to go to Sephora and Ulta and Target and to get away from mlm. And then literally the week that she made a decision to go direct selling MLM was the week that she met the buyer of Sephora to get Wild Rose Beauty into big box stores. And then Justin and The partners flash numbers in front of her and she felt like she had no other choice but to go mlm. And so she did it because she trusted Justin and she's really mad at herself. Okay, Whitney, if you had. Go ahead.

[Ben]

Did they flash numbers in front of her face or was she taking a selfie with a timer? And I was saying, three, two, one.

[Ronnie]

They were throwing SpaghettiOs at your face, okay? Because you wouldn't get out of the way of the projector. Okay? And those were letters, not numbers.

[Ben]

You're just looking at the speedometer on your car.

[Heather]

Look at all those numbers.

[Ronnie]

Okay, you had a meeting with Sephora. Did you get into Sephora? Because this is the thing. You can have a meeting with people. But if your goal was to get into Sephora, I think that's a great goal. I mean, look, of course I'm saying, like, ain't nobody want that in Sephora. Okay, that's my opinion. But also my opinion is if that's your goal, that's a great goal to have. That's a cool goal. But to give it up the week that you have your first meeting, it's not like you had already sold it to Sephora.

[Muzzy]

I don't know.

[Ronnie]

I have a problem with her blaming everything on Justin. I have a problem with it because this is very, We've watched from the very beginning, Justin had his job, then he lost his job because of the stuff they were doing on camera. Then that was rough on her, and then blah, blah, blah. Then she took all the money out of their account to put it into this business. And that was another big thing between them that she did that. And now she's blaming him for losing everything. And I, I, I don't know. I don't think that's fair. That's wrong to me.

[Ben]

I, I, I'm okay with blaming some of it on Justin. If she had a vision and then he, like, pressured her to go his route, I mean, look, you know, she's her own person and she should, she can make her own decisions and her choices. She learned the hard way what happens when you don't. I think, like, she's allowed to have some resentment towards Justin if, like. But we're assuming that her story is completely true. And I'm right now it's Whitney, but I'm taking it at face value.

[Ronnie]

But I don't. Because they leave all this stuff out. They leave all this stuff out about all this MLM stuff. Here's what I can see what happened now. First of all, my opinion is Based on only what we're seeing on the show and what I found on the Internet, there is no concrete truth to this. Nobody really knows what happened to the business. She's saying that they got wrapped up in a Justin company, the company failed, and that's it, from what I see happened. They took Wild Rose Beauty immediately into an mlm. It was never anything else. So they took Wild Rose Beauty. They had all those openings last year that we. That we saw for Ambassador for Influencers and all of that, which were basically people to build. Build the pyramids, which is what MLMs are. Then she got called out. Then it became a huge thing on TikTok because people who work there were talking about what a ripoff it was and how they were all getting ripped off from this thing. It turned into a PR disaster, and then that's when it went south. So I think she's trying to blame all of that that we know about on the Internet on Justin, and I just don't think that's fair. They've been. They've been in. They've. These two have been involved in mlms for years and years and years. So I don't think it's like Whitney.

[Muzzy]

Just didn't know it was an mlm, and she could have been in Sephora's.

[Ronnie]

I just don't buy it. But that's all I'll say. But I've already monologued for an hour about it.

[Ben]

To me, what's. I mean, I think all things. Things can be true. I think. I think. I think. I think she could still have pressured her, and I think that. That she still knowingly went down that path. What I do think, though, is what I was kind of chuckling about the entire time. And, you know, it's. It's mean to chuckle at someone's business, you know, going down the tubes, especially.

[Heather]

Because businesses are off limits, which, by.

[Ben]

The way, they're not. Businesses are not off limits on a Real Housewife show. I think they are totally on limits. Children, fine. Because you can, like, you can cause trauma in their. In their development, and they could lead to, like, terrible, terrible things in their lives.

[Heather]

But businesses, yeah, come on.

[Ben]

But I do think there was a part of me that was chuckling every time she was sort of like, implying, like, she had her sliding doors moment, and if she had just pivoted in one direction instead towards this buyer at Sephora, like, she would have had, like, billions of dollars. And I'm like, I don't know if that's guaranteed, to be honest. You never know. You never know who's gonna, like, make it big in these spaces, but I'm just not sure Whitney was, was the one who was gonna break through at Sephora.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, well, she says you.

[Muzzy]

The minute you had an opportunity to take my baby, you said, let's make a billion dollar company. And that's why I said yes. Because if Justin believes it and we're working together, then it can't fail.

[Ben]

Well, so then this is where I thought it was strange. Her whole thing was like, you've never, ever, ever taken an interest in my businesses, and I really resent you for that. And then you finally did and then you ruined it. That's kind of what she's saying. I'm like, so are you. Are you saying that you were unhappy that he came in, or are you saying that you wish that he had? Like, are you happy? Are you unhappy that he never paid attention to your business? Are you unhappy that he did pay attention to your business? In this case? Like, I'm sort of like, I couldn't quite get the through line there.

[Ronnie]

Well, I think she wanted him to do the MLM thing with her business years ago, and he couldn't because he had non compete clauses with his job. So he couldn't help her in that way. But now that he can help her, he did bring it into an mlm and then it failed. And they also had another partner in the mlm. So if this was failing or failing, as she says, as a bigger thing within an entity, they're going to cut that one off. Right. You know, especially if it has all this bad press and everybody's dogging its name. You can't really win that back online. If everyone on. If everyone on Tick Tock's like, this business sucks and it's robbing people and it's ripping people off, it's an mlm. There's really no coming back from that, you know, so.

[Ben]

Which is why it's funny that she wants to keep her Wild Rose name. She's like, that's the most important asset that I have.

[Heather]

A tarnished brand.

[Muzzy]

All I want is to be able to come out and call my store Blockbuster.

[Heather]

It's like, oh.

I've decided to rebrand and my new company's name is Enron.

[Muzzy]

Bp.

[Ronnie]

So Justin's like, well, I don't really know what to say except saying, sorry for getting you involved. I mean, he looks so confused. He's like, really? You're gonna. You told me this was gonna be a scene of at the Panera closing down. And now it has to be now. That's you dogging me on tv. God damn it.

[Ben]

We were supposed to make a wish at 11:11 over the lights of the Panera. And now instead you're making me have to explain the situation.

[Heather]

So she's like, I'm trying not to resent you. It's just hard to separate you from that.

[Ben]

And so the producer says, is there going to be a change in the marriage, or has there been one?

[Heather]

Because in the beginning, when it was all crumbling, I did bring. It did bring Justin and I closer, and it's really making me struggle, because separation from the business and the marriage, it's all become, like, one. And now I can't. I don't know.

[Ben]

She literally, like, runs out of steam while she's doing her confessional. Like, come on, Whitney, you can do it. You can make it to the end of your monologue.

[Heather]

Yeah, I'm just kind of there.

[Ronnie]

And he's like, well, I mean, look, I made a mistake. Like, obviously, I feel the resentment, but, you know, like, I always know your company is going to be successful. I just thought it was a way we could work together, babe.

[Muzzy]

She's like, yeah, but that was my everything. I had that company for two weeks.

[Heather]

It was everything. And now it's gone.

[Ben]

Listen, why don't you just go to where the real money is, Open up a soda shop. You're there in Utah. Your daughter will be there. Her. Her gums will be on the spigot, you know, with all of her classmates. Just go to where the kids are, okay? Give them the caffeine and the sugar that they want.

[Heather]

That.

[Ronnie]

No, you can't become a heroin dealer when your daughter is an addict, okay? That's bad family advice. And we all know that Bobby is a soda addict. We've seen that little drunk at the skating rink when she's like, I have.

[Muzzy]

Whatever soda I want, Mama. I'm gonna get me some sprite and some Dr. Pepper. What you gonna say about that witch?

[Ben]

I know. I say, like, join in. Do it.

[Ronnie]

Riding off, speeding off in her golf cart, running over a baby in the street. Girl, that girl look drunk. This is so drunk.

[Ben]

Everyone's trying to be Bethany Frankel. Everyone's trying to come up with, like, a business idea. They're trying. They're trying to capitalize on their fame on these shows. And I get it. It's very American to do that. And everyone's like, I. I can. I can be the one that pushes through, and I can do. I Can have a huge success, yada, yada, yada, I get it. But like, I don't know, like go, go for something a little bit more local. Like open up a soda parlor, open up a, a bowling alley. I don't know, like, not everything has to make it to Forbes.

[Ronnie]

Also, don't do like a predatory business maybe, you know, don't open a business that's like predatory on women trying to make a living, which is what MLMs for the most part are like. I'm not going to feel sorry for Whitney, who's an MLM head. Those, those are known for being monstrous businesses. And now she's acting like a victim. Well, haha, maybe come up with a real idea that doesn't, that doesn't, that doesn't involve, you know, hurting, hurting women. Ma'. Am.

[Heather]

How about.

[Ben]

Yeah, call it. How about multi level milkshakes?

[Ronnie]

Now that I'm into.

[Muzzy]

Yes.

[Ronnie]

Suddenly I'm a Whitney Rose fan.

[Ben]

Yes.

[Ronnie]

Whitney for president.

[Ben]

Yeah. Just like, you know, I think my general note for the housewives who are trying to cash in on their, on their fleeting fame, my note is stop trying to come up with things we've seen a million times on Shark Tank. Skin care, pet food, all that stuff. Like, like address a real need. Not. I'm sorry, I shouldn't say a real need.

[Heather]

Obviously.

[Ben]

Pets, Pets need their food and, and people need their skincare. That was totally the wrong wording. What I really meant is like come.

[Heather]

Up with something like address something like.

[Ben]

That'S, that's like not being addressed. So like the kids want their soda. I don't know.

[Heather]

Like just.

[Ben]

There's, there's a world outside of, There's a world outside of doing your fashion line, of doing your skin care, of doing this. Like just do something different. And it does. Don't, don't try to be like a nationwide brand right out the gate. Just, just baby steps.

[Ronnie]

Get good at something and then do that, you know, but who knows? So we go over to Heather's house and we just leave Justin's teeth behind because Justin is really like.

He'S just like confused and we just see the top row of his teeth and gums. He's like, what the fuck?

[Ben]

The Cheshire cat.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So then we go to Heather's house and she is decorating her daughter Annabelle's room in Tampa college colors, which are red and black.

[Heather]

Who knew?

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I didn't know. I feel like Tampa would have like more Miami type colors. Right?

[Muzzy]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Pastel.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Ben]

I'm actually a little disappointed in Tampa like, you're. You're in Florida. Like, that gives you licenses to do, like, all sorts of, like, fun, bright colors. But red and black is a little. Little gloomy, a little bloody, you know?

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And I'm in Austin, and so I see that color, and I think of the Aggies, you know, And I don't even know anything about football, but I know we're supposed to hate them. So every time you see maroon people crossing a crosswalk, you have to rev your engine like you're about to hit them, you know. Wow, look at you. Like, you. And then you do Longhorns in their face, and you speed off and you roll your window down and goes, yes, suck that, Aggie.

[Muzzy]

Suck it.

[Ben]

Although, now that I think about it, isn't red and black. Also University of Utah. My nephew goes there and I. And I got. He gave me a sweatshirt that I believe was red and black, but I don't know, like this. This Tampa red. And I don't know, I think that gets fine for Utah to be red and black. I just think that Tampa should be like flamingo colors, you know?

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Black.

[Ronnie]

I think so, too. And like. Like flowers, you know?

[Ben]

Flowers.

[Ronnie]

Or like a leopard print or something. Yeah, something.

[Ben]

Every school in Florida has to have colors that would. That. That. That match, that scheme. Like, no primary colors. Just pastels.

[Heather]

Pastels.

[Ronnie]

And like, Robert Goulet should be the principal.

[Ben]

Yeah. Yeah. So that's. I. I just want 100. He can do it. I just want the University of Tampa to take notes. If that's a University of Tampa. Tampa is Tampa State University.

[Ronnie]

Tampa State School colors. Yeah. Scarlet and black.

[Muzzy]

Here comes one right now.

[Ronnie]

So they're decorating and they're making small talk. I really don't care. This is. This is super boring. Except it was fun when Heather said.

[Muzzy]

I have had two major changes in my life this year.

[Ronnie]

The first one is that I bought an air fryer. It's changed my life. And then we see her making what she calls. What do they call it?

Oh, they call it like an all in the tub. A mixed bag.

[Ben]

A mixed bag. Yeah. I have to say, I'm, like, a bit shocked. I'm actually. Of all the things I've been disappointed with. With Heather Gay, you know, as once our fearless leader on the show, you know, I think the thing I'm most disappointed is that it took her this long to get an air fryer because she just has air fryer energy. Like, I would have actually thought she just had an air fryer this entire time. And I would have thought, like, the best part about Heather Gay is that, you know, you could probably, like, hit her up and be like, like, what are the air fryer recipes? And to know that she's a newbie with it is, like, shocking.

[Ronnie]

It is, but I love air. I love that Heather is just catching on to air fryers. Like, it.

[Ben]

I know.

[Ronnie]

It does kind of track, you know? So she talks about air frying, and we see how excited she's been. Can't believe they cut that, because that. That. It looks like she planned on that being her storyline for the season, and they're just fitting it in episode 12 in a flashback. And I felt kind of for her.

[Ben]

I would have preferred that, to be honest. Like, that's actually a storyline I would have 100% gotten behind. Like, if every episode she was trying something new, she's trying new recipes, she's developing an air fryer cookbook. Like, I'm into that. Like, watching kids go to college is. Well, it's not that we're watching the kids go to college. It's. It's just that she's sort of just talking about how she redid her office. That's basically it.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So they talk about that, and they talk about her going to college, and I don't care. So then we go to. Do you care? Can I move on?

[Ben]

I care deeply. Let's go through every single detail of this scene.

[Ronnie]

I'd rather talk about all the other useless crap we've talked about for 45 minutes. So we go to Bronwyn's house, and she's full of pride flags, guys. And she's putting them in envelopes, and she's asking Muzzy to bring her a spreadsheet, and she explains, I'm a big.

[Muzzy]

Supporter of the LGBTQIA community, and I.

[Ronnie]

Was horrified when there was a passing of a law in Utah that pride flags could not be displayed at any government building.

[Muzzy]

So I just thought one way I could show support is just mailing people.

[Ronnie]

Pride flags if they need one. So my mom and I have made.

[Muzzy]

You know, multiple trips to the sex store that also sells pride flags.

[Ben]

So, yeah, she's dragged Muzzy. Muzzy got some sort of media training where they were like, muzzy, we don't care how you feel about any of these things. Just smile and get along. Otherwise, America will destroy you.

[Heather]

So she's like, okay, I'm at the sex store now. This is quite bulky. This is interesting.

[Ronnie]

Muzzy, you are currently being stoned to death in public opinion. Go to the gay sex store.

[Muzzy]

Okay. Anything that'll work.

[Ben]

So. So they're looking at something, and she's.

[Heather]

Like, oh, look at this. Oh, this is like a penis.

[Muzzy]

Don't say that word.

[Heather]

She's like, I already did say it, Mother. And it's not a bad word to say.

[Ronnie]

So she says, mom, you know, you.

[Muzzy]

Coming and doing this with me, I know it's a big deal because you're.

[Ronnie]

A huge homophobe and hate gay people.

[Muzzy]

And I know that this is, you know, how you feel politically and stuff. This isn't your lane. And, you know, I know sometimes it's very hard for you to support gay people. Okay, look, everybody. That's my mother. She normally doesn't support g. Gay people.

[Heather]

Mother, I. I know this is. It's.

[Ben]

This is not politically what you are.

[Heather]

Into, but your eyebrows say otherwise. So I'm going to say they do have a big.

[Ben]

They.

[Heather]

I did. I don't know if you heard this, but your eyebrows have been hired to be a guest judge on RuPaul next season. So congratulations.

[Muzzy]

Well, as long as it helps you there. I don't care. Now, if you ask me to go to a strip show, I might draw the line there.

[Ronnie]

Okay, we've had enough line draw all over your face. It is just those eyebrows. I seriously can't. I'm not going to help you, though, because it's very important for me that America hates you while they see me being kind to you.

[Heather]

Well, one of the reasons why I haven't fixed my mom's brows is she said, you can either have the brows or the bob. And I chose the bob, so she gets the bob. Give her the bob. She has to keep her eyebrows. So, you know, it's sacrifices that we make.

[Muzzy]

She's.

[Heather]

Well, you know, I love doing crazy things that I wouldn't do on my own. Crazy, crazy things.

[Ben]

Like. Like mailing pride flags. Like, whoa. Normally people. When people say that, it's like bungee jumping or, like streaking across the town square. It's like touching a pride flag. I love doing crazy things.

[Ronnie]

And, you know, she's probably, you know, taking a sharpie to those flags and just writing fix yourself, and then mailing them to the gay kids in Idaho or whatever.

[Ben]

You could be better.

[Muzzy]

So she says, well, you know, dear, I don't worry about what other people think anymore. Like I said, used to, because I'm a grown up now.

[Heather]

Are you? So do I have to wait until I'm 80 to be a grown up? Because, you know, I very much worry that what other people think of me.

[Ben]

I'm like, well, listen, you do show up at the airport dressed as an inflatable sloth. So if you're concerned about people viewing you as a grown up or not, you know, there are some ways you could adjust that.

[Ronnie]

You dress like a melted crayon. Okay? So. No, you don't. You have more confidence. You have more confidence than you lead on. And she's like, well, I do care.

[Muzzy]

What other people think about me still. I very much do, mom. And I very much worry about what you think of me. And she goes, well, I think you should, to a certain extent.

[Heather]

I don't care what people think about me because I'm pretty awesome. But you, maybe you should think about.

[Ben]

That a little bit.

[Heather]

Shame does have its upside.

[Muzzy]

Well, mother, you know, in the past, you and I have struggled because I was making choices that you didn't really agree with. And you were very vocal about those. Those lessons, mother. And she's like, well, I told you that I learned my lesson, Ron. When I told you, she goes, well, we have moved through it.

[Ronnie]

And I actually think that it's very.

[Muzzy]

Interesting that the thing that you were most mad at me about was having Gwen. And now that you love. The thing that you love best about me is Gwen.

Now.

[Heather]

Well, you've been a great mom for Gwen, considering your setbacks, know, your personality, your needs, your neediness, all those things. But you need to be proud of what you're doing because you're doing a great job. I mean, everything you're doing is, is. Is really great. Except for all this insane flag bailing we're doing. I don't know. And since when do we add the L word, Eldon, to the word? I don't understand this.

[Muzzy]

So these are for care Bears, is that correct?

[Ronnie]

This, you know, all that aside, this is nice to see. You know, I know Muzzy has pissed us all off, including me, but this is actually very nice to see the scene. I really like it. It's. It's two weeks in a row where Muzzy has had decent scenes. I'm not saying the best. I know she called her an week, but, you know, some of our moms just talk to us that way and it's. It's their way of being cute. But it's nice seeing it, you know, and as someone who's always had a up and down, mostly, you know, when I was younger, mostly down relationship with my mom, I have a very difficult mom. And I can be very difficult as well. And I've you know, talked about it on this show for years.

[Muzzy]

I.

[Ronnie]

Me and my mom have come to a place and a lot of it has had to do with us both just letting go of shit from the past and also just letting go of from the present. Because there's just not anything we're gonna do to change. And it has been worth it to me because there have been times where I think we both could have just cut each other off and gone no contact and done all that stuff. And we've actually put in the work to not do that. And honestly, the biggest piece of that work has both of us has been both of us shutting our mouths a lot of the time. And it frustrates us both. But I think that it has worked. And so it is very good for me. I feel really good and I'm really happy with it. And I'm really touched to see it happen for Bronwyn too, because it's not easy, girl. And it's nice to see that on tv, you know? I know still. I know people still want to throw Muzzy overboard, but I'm gonna give it to her for this. This one. I feel for her.

[Ben]

Well, I'm proud of Muzzy because normally it takes two seasons to have these scenes. You have their season where you get like trashed by the audience. And then the next season you've, like, seen it all and you come back, you're like, this is the new me. I'm a nicer. And this is kind of like when they took Dancing with the Stars and made it like a one night affair. Like it used to be. They would dance on one night and then you get the results the next night. And then they decided, no, we're gonna do it all in one episode.

[Heather]

And that's like, basically what they're doing here.

[Ben]

She's like, you know what? Like, I was bad earlier in the season and I'm already having my redemption scenes in the same season and it's like they just accelerated it. So, like, good for her.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, she's all making out with Lynn in the corner.

[Ben]

Oh, Rip.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, so. Oh, he died.

[Ben]

Yeah, he died.

[Ronnie]

I stopped watching that show. So they have a nice little scene and she's like, you know, but I am proud of you.

[Muzzy]

And she goes, but I need to hear it.

[Ronnie]

And she's like, okay, Bronwyn, but I.

[Muzzy]

Am proud of you, you know, And I don't say it a lot because I just don't like saying stuff like that. It's disgusting, you know, But I've always wanted to make you.

[Ronnie]

Brom was like, well, I've always wanted.

[Muzzy]

To make you proud of me, Mother, and I've always wanted you to think I did something worthwhile.

[Ronnie]

And she's like, well, I am proud.

[Muzzy]

Of you because look at you. You've got a Bob.

[Ronnie]

Your daughter has got a bop, and I've got a bop.

[Muzzy]

What more do you need to say? I'm a winner.

[Heather]

What's the opposite of generational trauma?

[Ben]

Generational bob, Ma. Okay, that's what we have.

[Ronnie]

Operational drama.

[Ben]

Operational drama.

[Heather]

She's like, but, you know, you're. You know, yours, you know, and, you know, look, you always went around telling Gwen crazy things, like, you're the best thing or the smartest or you're so pretty. You know, things that you just would.

[Ben]

Never tell a child.

[Heather]

And you did it, and, you know, it's working out pretty well.

[Ronnie]

And you.

[Heather]

Well, we just did it different, Mom. Yeah, you did it the.

[Ben]

The.

[Heather]

The lazy, stupid way, and I did it the tough way. But I guess, look, she wound up with the Bob at the end of the day. So, you know, as they all say, at the end of the day, you get Bob for a Bob, and that's where we all are. So, you know what? I'm okay.

[Muzzy]

You did good, kid.

[Ronnie]

I like when she said, you know.

[Muzzy]

But you didn't like the way I.

[Ronnie]

Raised you being judgmental all the time, and so you changed it, and you changed the cycle, and that's great. Good for you, you know? Yeah. Your. Your.

[Muzzy]

Your confidence in doing things incorrectly is.

[Ronnie]

To be commended, Bronwyn. And look at the way Gwen just.

[Heather]

Rolled her eyes at you at the Banzai store.

[Ben]

It just goes to show, you can be judgmental or not judgmental.

[Heather]

They're still gonna hate you for it.

[Ben]

So might as well be judgmental and have fun with it.

[Ronnie]

And then Muzzy subtly reminds us that Bronwyn is bad in another way. You know?

[Muzzy]

She's like, well, I would give you a hug, but I know how much you hate that.

[Ronnie]

She goes, yeah, no hugs.

[Muzzy]

She goes, yeah, you pass that on to Gwen.

[Ronnie]

Look at her, your bobshield. Both of you walking around with a bob shield. She's like, yeah, I'm prickly, mother.

[Muzzy]

I'm like a hedgehog. Do not touch me. Okay.

[Ronnie]

Okay, we're good. I thought you were gonna. Thought you were gonna hug me, but okay.

[Heather]

I know that my mom sees that I've done things differently, but in a way that's been successful. But for her to be able to voice that, like, to be. Be willing to say it and be willing to say it to me is a huge step for her. And I think that, like, sometimes you just have to hear it. That's why you get a bop suo. You have less hair in front of your ears. You can hear the things. Things.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And she's like, I just.

[Muzzy]

This is all I wanted, Mom.

[Heather]

This is.

[Muzzy]

This is all I wanted. Was it to be Mom? And she's like, oh, God, there you go, off the deep end. Okay, well, now I'm finding out too, that you made the spreadsheet wrong.

[Ronnie]

And so the road or the circle.

[Muzzy]

Or the drive goes on the next line. Oh, God. You just screwed over all the gays. Good job, Bronwyn.

[Heather]

Producers, can we end this scene already? I think I've been nice enough to my daughter.

[Ben]

I don't know why you're still filming me.

[Heather]

I got spreadsheet content left.

[Ronnie]

The camera pulls back. We just see her strangling a gerbil in her left hand, just trying to make it through the scene.

[Ben]

So now it's time for the main event. We go to Angie K. Arriving at, like, a loading dock. She's dressed like Betsy Ross. She's got, like, a little bonnet in her hair, and she's. I think she has a. She has a flag. Maybe she has a basket. I don't know. I may be just misremembering a basket. There's probably no basket, but either way, she's there. And she's just standing on this, like, industrial loading dock in the middle of a parking lot. And she's as confused as we are.

[Ronnie]

Listen, it's not Real Housewives of Salt Lake City if someone's not filming something at a U Haul rental center.

[Ben]

Seriously. So Heather's like, I have no idea. Because Heather, Whitney and Brittany are in a car. And Heather's like, I have no idea.

[Heather]

What today is all about, but I love a theme. I love a theme as much as I love sisterhood, which is what we have. So she just said, get out of the loading dock, right? That's all we have to do.

[Ben]

Britney's like, well, we have to meet.

[Heather]

Her on a platform. And that part is just so confusing. A platform? What's a platform? Okay, someone settle down. Britney. Okay, you think that's the most confusing part? I thought I was dressing up like Hamilton was confusing.

[Ronnie]

So then Lisa and Meredith are in their car, and Meredith's like, what do.

[Muzzy]

We have going on? I don't know. You know, we're just going to some.

[Ronnie]

Warehouse place, I guess, like, where the.

[Muzzy]

Hell are we going?

[Heather]

You're.

[Ben]

Where are we going to? So now Angie's still waiting alone. She's like, I still don't know if I'm in the right place. I swear this is the address she gave me. Now, it's, like, no surprise that, like, in the previews for next week, they wind up going to Greece, because Angie K. Is probably like, yeah, I spent a lot of money on this outfit just to wear it at a loading dock, so I'm gonna need us to go to someplace nice.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I've had enough of this crap. So now back in the Whitney car.

[Muzzy]

She'S like, brittany, how are you? I haven't seen you since my. And she's like, well, I did meet.

[Ronnie]

Meredith in the park.

[Muzzy]

And Whitney's like, why the park?

[Ronnie]

Because you're on Salt Lake City. Where else would you meet? You've already gone to the two restaurants they'll allow you into in town.

[Ben]

Sorry, the parking lot with the mound of dirty snow has been booked, so you'll have to go to the park.

[Ronnie]

Sorry, the rusty chain link fence is busy today. I know.

[Muzzy]

Well, if Meredith called me to meet me at the park at high noon, I would say, no thanks. Length.

[Heather]

It does seem like a duel, right? Like, it seems like, walk 10, 10 paces and turn around and shoot. Like, isn't that, like, funny?

[Ben]

I love that. Britney, who is a child of musical theater dressed like Hamilton, doesn't even realize. Like, can't even make a Hamilton joke right there. She doesn't even realize the link.

[Heather]

She's like, it's really funny, right? It's almost like we're two founding fathers, but we're having a duel.

[Ben]

I got.

[Heather]

That's so funny, huh? Anyway, it seemed like she was just, like, not contrite enough to apologize when I talked to her. And then I said, okay, well, I can see that what I said was a trigger. It was shady because it was.

[Ben]

And Whitney's like, by the way, Whitney also did her. The makeup on her lip in such a way that her top lip looks like it's touching her. Her. Her nose. She, like, overdid her line. She, like, made it extend too high so she looks kind of crazy this entire scene. Just like.

[Heather]

So she didn't address verbally attacking you.

[Muzzy]

Then what did she apologize for? Hurting my feelings.

[Ronnie]

And they just roll their eyes. And so Heather, meanwhile, in the other car, Meredith is like, well, we agreed.

[Muzzy]

To treat each other with kindness and.

[Ronnie]

Respect, but that's not gonna last long.

So Heather's like, wait a minute.

[Muzzy]

So you Forgive her. And you guys are friends now. And she's like, well, maybe we'll never be friends, but I just don't want to.

[Ronnie]

You hurt harbor anger.

[Muzzy]

And Whitney's like, wait, you're gonna accept her apology like a step forward? Well, I'm proud of you because I don't think I could do it.

[Ronnie]

And she's, she's. They're mad of course, because they're pawn in this has now settled things, which means that they're gonna have to go into this fight against Meredith alone because Britney has now left their side. And let's also not forget that the reason they're in this fight with Meredith is because Meredith refused to join their side against Lisa on that point boat. Remember when they called Meredith in and were like, we're going to go after Lisa, you going to do it with me? And then Meredith refused. And then guess who they went after? Meredith. Immediately after Meredith refused to be their little bestie and film with them. They turned her into an alcoholic and a pill popper. Well, in rumors she's probably already an alcoholic and a pill popper list.

[Ben]

So Whitney is like, I'm glad I.

[Heather]

It made Britney feel good that Meredith gave her apology. But I would like Meredith to take accountability with everyone. Because Meredith accused us of ling about it.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, because you were lying about it. In my humble opinion, you were exaggerating, which is a form of lying. Okay, so now they arrive and Angie's like, I thought I was tricked into this. I thought I was invited to a.

[Muzzy]

Costume party and you guys were coming in ball gowns.

[Heather]

We pioneered all the way over here.

[Ben]

Oh yes, you are Mormon pioneer. So Heather. So Whitney starts putting on lip gloss.

[Heather]

And Heather's like, there was no lip gloss in colonial times. But you know what they did have in colonial times? A flask. A flask I was able to carry because my daughters are moving out of the house so I can have a flask. She's my new daughter now.

[Ronnie]

And then they show a picture of like George Washington on a bowl or some shit with a flask drawn in.

[Muzzy]

She's like, he'd be hard pressed to find a calm colonist without a flask.

[Ben]

So then now they're like, they're tasting, they're drinking from the flask and Angie K. Basically just sticks the whole thing in her mouth.

[Heather]

Like, no, you're getting your lips.

[Ben]

You're supposed to just pour it into your mouth, not suck from it.

[Ronnie]

So Meredith comes in and they all get quiet again. And so they're also pissed because Lisa is not dressed properly as usual. Lisa refused to do the costume. Do.

[Ben]

Lisa is. Yeah, she's sort of wearing a flouncy shirt or blouse that kind of suggests colonial times. But she's like, I'm not doing a costume. And Meredith is. Meredith is like wearing some sort of like sack shirt that's like bundled. It's. It's like a sack of money, but it's a shirt. It's like all bundled at the top with like a drawring. It's like this is, you know, it's up there with that. That crazy outfit she wore to the flower party. I don't know, she's. She has some real funky looks, this Meredith Marks.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Muzzy]

You can't just say that you're Hamilton. You have to be Hamilton. Well, maybe if you can cite the Getty Berg's address.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I'm sure if I can. If I pull it up on my phone. Four score and 40 years ago, Whitney was a. And she's still a. 40 scores later.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Heather]

Where's Mary?

[Ben]

So Mary's running late, but in the meantime, this door opens up at the loading dock and there's Bronwyn and she's in this giant black dress, which is actually kind of cool. And she is basically like, come on in.

[Heather]

She's like, well, I've been studying for my American citizenships test to become a US Citizen. So I love that everybody is humoring me with this. So if you follow me, come on in here and we're gonna play a game that I have constructed and I will get very mad at even though I knew all along it was a game. Okay, come on in.

[Ronnie]

Oh my God. Are you kidding me? This is all about citizenship. How did I not know this? I would have just called ice a season ago.

[Ben]

So Brahman is like, well, I think.

[Heather]

We have to really channel a founding father's look. So everyone have a wig?

[Ben]

So there's a. An array of powdered wigs out on the table for everyone to use. And.

[Heather]

And Brahman's like, I'd like to have you step back to 17, 1973.

[Ben]

And they're all confused because I feel like they don't even understand. Like no one knows.

[Ronnie]

No one knows what the fuck is going on. Which is great.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Congratulations, you've reached the end of part one of a two part recap for part two. Go look for the recap that says part two. See you over there, suckers.

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