#3098 RHOSLC S612 Part Two: Boston Pee Party

Summary

Watch What Crappens, Episode #3098 Recap

Episode Title: RHOSLC S612 Part Two: Boston Pee Party
Podcast Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Release Date: December 3, 2025

Overview

In this exuberant second part of their Salt Lake City recap, Ben and Ronnie (in effervescent, irreverent Crappens style) pick apart the latest episode of "Real Housewives of Salt Lake City," focusing on the cast’s hilariously misguided “Boston Spill the Tea Party.” Amid wigs, J-Dogs, blue tarps, and a group urine test, the podcasters revel in both the absurdity and the sharpest drama of the episode, lampooning cast conflicts, memorable misstatements, and Bravo housewife logic with their signature blend of affection and biting wit.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Opening: Setting the Scene at the Boston “Tea” Party

[01:03–02:20]

• The ladies of RHOSLC, led by Bronwyn, are throwing a Boston Tea Party–themed event. Wigs are donned, and the logic behind the party (“spill tea, then clean it up and move forward”) is, as Ben and Ronnie gleefully point out, questionable.
• Bronwyn's explanation: “They spilled the tea into the harbor and then they cleaned it up. What kind of protest is that?” (Tommy, 02:01)
• The spread includes local Utah “J Dogs” hot dogs, mystifying the hosts.
  • “Do hot dogs go that far back? Are they BC? I’ll take McDonald’s at this point!” (Mary, paraphrased; [03:51])

Housewives Take on U.S. History

[04:24–06:18]

• A group quiz on American government reveals shaky knowledge. The cast struggles to recall the Bill of Rights and the number of U.S. senators.
  • “Our constitute… our constip… constipational rights.” (Bronwyn, 04:52)
  • “I was the saladictorian!” (Heather, 05:55)
• The Crappens hosts revel in these “brain farts,” dubbing the scene “Founding Flounders.”

“Spill the Tea” Ceremony: Grievances and Denials

[06:38–10:55]

• Each housewife tosses a symbolic “tea box” labeled with someone they've talked about behind their back.
• Angie accuses Lisa of fabricating her Kentucky Derby horse (“You better not question my second horse!”—Tommy as Lisa, 08:28)
  • “If Lisa buys something, she’s gonna post it and brag about it. I haven’t seen any photos…” (Casey, 08:50)
• Whitney and Heather’s fraught friendship comes under scrutiny, sprinkled with side commentary from Mary (“Electra’s gonna ride Lisa’s horse in the Olympics!”—Casey, 09:33)

The Flirtation Fallout: Whitney, Jared, and Joao

[10:42–13:39]

• Britney confronts the group about rumors regarding her flirting with Joao. Mary, ever distant, feigns unfamiliarity with Joao.
  • “Who’s Joao?” (Mary, 10:47)
• Layered accusations and defensive denials ensue around who started or perpetuated the rumor.
• Bronwyn outs herself as the “original bone carrier,” breaking up the potential for fake secrecy within the group.

“Old Tea” & The Todd Rumor Revival

[13:39–14:32]

• Heather dredges up (again) the infamous “Todd making out and farting” rumor.
  • “Do you not feel like that’s absurd? Throw the fucking box over..." (Tommy, 12:28)
  • Ronnie notes that Heather’s bringing up old issues is a calculated effort to redirect Bronwyn’s anger.

The Drug Test Stunt

[22:01–26:40]

• In a Chekhov’s prop twist, Meredith passes around group drug test kits, challenging the women to prove they’re not substance abusing after rumors fly.
  • “I've never in my life taken a drug test. Where does one go for seven drug tests last second?” (Brittany, 23:12)
  • “Mary goes, that's a lot of urine…” (Casey/Narration, 23:27)
• None of the women take Meredith up on the public urination challenge.
  • “Are you supposed to pull up my skirt and pee on it?” (Whitney, 25:14)
  • “Pee on it, Papa Squat… Lady, I love this.” (Tommy riffing, 25:30)

Throwing Accusations, Deflections, and Trauma

[16:17–29:00]

• The podcasters track the classic housewives spiral: allegations of substance abuse, counter-accusations of lying and betrayal, and the weaponization of trauma.
  • “That’s a whole sack of bullshit… You can't do that to people.” (Tommy, 21:10)
• Heather and Whitney direct “alcoholic” and “liar” bombshells at Meredith and each other, ultimately referencing their own histories (“Mormon trauma”).
  • “Calling me a liar triggers me so depthly because I felt like... I’m a very honest person to a fault.” (Heather, 18:45)

Prop Comedy & Costume Absurdity

[14:04; 27:11–29:13]

• The podcasters repeatedly highlight the absurdity of the group’s props: boxes of “tea,” blue tarp as the “harbor,” founder wigs, and oversized quills.
  • “Throw your cardboard box into a tarp,” (Casey, 14:34)
• “Pointing that feather at Meredith…” (Casey, 33:54)
• Costume changes mid-fight—from Founding Father wigs to costume cleavers in Meredith’s head—are comedic gold for the hosts.

The Constitution Dress & Friendship Amendments

[36:23–39:12]

• Bronwyn emerges in a massive Constitution gown and proposes a “friendship constitution” with amendments for group behavior. Each housewife tries to offer an amendment, with comical results:
  • “Hear ye, hear ye: be a woman of your word…” (Heather, 37:03)
  • “Hear ye, hear ye: there are topics that are off limits: business, marriages, and children.” (Whitney, 37:26)
  • “Hear ye, hear ye: stop the reactive abuse!” (Meredith, 38:04)
• The Crappens hosts predict these rules will collapse within minutes of the next episode.

Final Thoughts & Bravo Logic

[40:03–end]

• Ben and Ronnie look forward to the cast vacation, noting RHOSLC women “do vacation pretty big” after so many seasons on “regional jets."
• Quick aside: Jen Shah's imminent release from prison is mentioned, foreshadowing potential future podcast fodder.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Founding Father clean-up:

  “I feel like if there was a cleanup, all of our mothers would remind us of that growing up … I think that’s a lie.”
  — Tommy, [02:32]

• On the group intelligence test:

  “Our constit... our constip... constipational rights.”
  — Bronwyn, [04:52]

  “I was the saladictorian!”
  — Heather, [05:55]

• On the horse-buying confusion:

  “You better not question my second horse!”
  — Tommy as Lisa, [08:28]

  “Angie’s mad because … horses are kind of like my family storyline, so please do not try to get in on this.”
  — Casey, [08:50]

• On the “tea ceremony” and Housewives logic:

  “Your sin is so funny. Okay, well, I'm gonna go next. Okay.”
  — Tommy, [14:36]

  “Throw your cardboard box into a tarp.”
  — Casey, [14:32]

• On the group drug test reveal:

  “Wait a minute. Multi drug, urine test, cup. Oh, my God.”
  — Angie's discovery, [22:57]

  “Are you supposed to pull up my skirt and pee on it?”
  — Whitney, [25:14]

  “Pee on it, Papa Squat! Lady, I love this.”
  — Tommy, [25:30]

• On trauma, projection, and weaponizing personal history:

  “That's a whole sack of bullshit. You can't do that to people. And it's also shitting your father, by the way. … I'm so glad she's showing her ass today.”
  — Tommy, [21:10]

• On Housewives dynamic:

  “Notice that nobody else is jumping on this train. If everybody else on this plane was so horrified, why is it only Whitney and Heather screaming and crying in every episode?”
  — Tommy, [35:12]

• On the coming constitutional crisis:

  “These ladies are all going to be heading into a constitutional crisis within 15 minutes of the next episode because none of these amendments are going to be followed.”
  — Casey, [36:55]

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Segment Timestamps

• 01:03–03:12: Boston Tea Party event set-up and food tomfoolery
• 04:24–06:18: Group American history knowledge failure
• 06:38–14:36: "Spill the Tea" ceremony covers group drama and rumor recaps
• 16:17–29:00: Explosive drama, trauma accusations, and the build-up to the drug test stunt
• 22:01–26:40: The group drug test challenge and no one taking it
• 27:11–29:13: Costume hilarity and further argument escalation
• 36:23–39:12: The Constitution dress and “friendship amendments”
• 40:03–end: Preview of next week’s cast trip, shout-out to Jen Shah, closing remarks

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Summary Tone and Conclusion

Ben and Ronnie stay true to their snarky, Bravo-obsessed tone, lampooning the Housewives’ attempts at symbolism and sincerity while reveling in the petty feuds and missteps. The episode’s recap is rich with quotes, playful impressions, and delighted mockery at everything from prop choices to housewife hypocrisy—making it a treat for fans of both Bravo and offbeat, affectionate satire.

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For New Listeners

This episode is ideal for those who want to keep up with the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City’s most outrageous moments, chaos, and shifting alliances—without having to parse through every second of the show. With memorable quotes, context, and bite-sized analysis, the Crappens boys ensure you’ll be up to speed and thoroughly entertained.

Transcript

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[Casey]

Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens?

[Tommy]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one, guys. It's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one. Okay, it's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show. So Bronwyn's like, okay, I would like to welcome you to my version of the Boston Spill, the Tea Party. The colonists were very angry because they were being taxed without representation. And many of us in this group often feel like we are not represented correctly. So on social media, in private conversations, in arguments.

[Bronwyn]

And so we are going to have.

[Tommy]

A little similar enactment of what the Boston Tea Party is.

[Casey]

Mary shows up and she's like, what the hell? And then she looks at the wigs and she's like, I know I'm not putting any of these on my head. But then she's like, luckily I have my own. It's like, I got my own.

[Tommy]

She just whips one out of her purse.

Just gotta have your emergency founders wig. Never know what's going to happen. So Bronwyn explains that they had the protest, they spilled the tea, and after the mess was made, they cleaned it up and were able to move forward. I didn't know that was part of it. They spilled the tea into the harbor and then they cleaned it up. What kind of protest is that?

[Casey]

I don't remember them cleaning it up. I mean, maybe they naturally cleaned up like some of the mess they made on the boat or wherever they were. I don't see. I just remember them spilling the tea. I think that's like the biggest takeaway I don't remember.

[Tommy]

I don't remember the cleanup. I feel like if there was a cleanup, all of our mothers would remind us of that growing up, you know, like, oh, really?

[Bronwyn]

You don't clean up. Even the founding fathers cleaned up their protest or whatever.

[Tommy]

We would have been shoved down our throats. I don't remember that. I think that's a lie. But they made the constitution, and that applies to us as friends, guys, so get something to eat and then we're gonna judge the fuck out of each other with wigs on is basically the goal here, right?

[Casey]

And so she also has, like, a spread of, like, looks like egg salad sandwiches and scones, but also J dogs, which. What are J dogs? I should have looked this.

[Tommy]

I don't know what that means.

[Casey]

Like, instead of hot dogs or J dogs, It's a fast casual hot dog restaurant chain, primarily in Utah. Oh, well, there you go.

[Tommy]

There you go. They got some. They got some fast food J dogs. So Mary comes in.

[Casey]

Whitney, you could be making hot dogs. Look, stop worrying about the skincare. Make some hot dogs and soda.

[Heather]

Come on.

[Casey]

The food, the money is right there.

[Tommy]

W dogs.

So wit dogs. So Mary comes in and she's like, is this real food? What is this? It's like. It's clearly hot dogs.

[Casey]

She goes, they're like. It's. They're a hot dog. She goes, do hot dogs go that far back? Are they BC? I'll take McDonald's at this point. I'll even have a fish filet because I know what that is. Speaking McDonald's. This coffee brought to you, Bob, from McDonald's. See? Must draw as evidence.

[Tommy]

Far be it from me to explain to the woman who is a professional on the Bible what BC means, but that shit was funny. So Bronwyn's like, okay, let's bring our plates. Okay, there's a quill and there's a book with your name on it.

[Bronwyn]

So everybody get that.

[Tommy]

And Mary's like, this feels like play. Are we going to stand up and, like, declare things? And Heather thinks she's going to win if there's a test. So the producer starts testing everybody, and they're like, what do we start calling? What do we call the first 10amendments to the Constitution?

[Bronwyn]

How do I not know that?

[Heather]

Rumors and nastiness.

[Casey]

Lisa's like, oh, the Declaration of Independence in one days.

[Bronwyn]

Our constant. Our constitue are constip. Constipational rights.

[Heather]

The Bill of Rights. Bill of Rights. Bill of Rights.

[Tommy]

And how many U.S. senators are there? I want to say 50, but I think there's more. Okay, there's one French fry in every container that represents a senator. That 23 french fries.

[Casey]

Let's see. There's one in every country. So 51. It's like, I don't know what NGK is where she even went with that one.

[Heather]

And Heather's like, well, oh, my goodness. Let's see, Senators. Well, I'll tell you one thing. In this sisterhood, there's a lot of sinners. So I would say there's a lot of senators. Sinner sisters.

[Bronwyn]

Constitution, Constip. Constituch. Constipational rights.

[Casey]

Brittany literally goes.

[Heather]

I mean, I got a 4.2 in high school. I was the saladictorian, but it's all just gone now. It's gone.

[Casey]

Not the saladictorian.

Not the saladictorial. Oh, my God. And she said it totally earnestly. She was not trying to be funny.

100 senators. The correct answer is a hundred.

[Tommy]

Yes, because there's two for each state, and there's 50 states, so 100. So Bronwyn got it. And she's like, okay, everybody, we're gonna have our own private Boston spill the tea party today. So behind your chairs, you'll find your own little ceremonial tea. You can throw it into the harbor, and you're gonna label it with the name of the person you have maybe spilled the tea about.

[Bronwyn]

Okay?

[Tommy]

Okay.

[Heather]

Well, I think the. The forefathers might have been smarter than me because. But I'm using something out of their playbook.

[Casey]

So you got to break all the.

[Heather]

Crates of tea wide open and pollute the. Out of that harbor, and then, you know, fight for what you want and what it is. And, you know. You know, honestly, I. I can only.

[Casey]

Do so much connecting these. This theme to our TV show today. I. I think I've.

[Heather]

I think I've done enough. Do I have to really keep explaining this?

[Bronwyn]

Bronwyn, do you not remember Puerto Vallarta? Apparently, Bronwyn didn't get enough of a beating the last time we tried this.

[Casey]

And we see flashbacks to Brahman. Reading that text message about, like.

Todd'S got one foot in the grave and one foot on the. On a. On a banana peel.

[Tommy]

So Lisa's like, why do you seem so stressed, Heather?

[Bronwyn]

She's like, well, because I haven't even thought about it yet.

[Tommy]

So they're trying to figure out who to spill the tea about, and so Angie's like, okay, well, who have I spilled the tea about? All right, Lisa.

[Bronwyn]

When Lisa made her announcement about her horse.

[Tommy]

And we see a flashback to Lisa being like, yeah, I'm gonna go to the Kentucky Derby, so I bought a horse.

[Casey]

Which makes no sense. Like, you're going to the Kentucky Derby so you buy a horse.

[Tommy]

Sandy's like, well, I wanted to believe her even though I heard otherwise. So I did spill the te about that, But I talk to other people about you not buying the horse. Their confession done.

[Casey]

Well, yeah, I own a horse. It's, like, not anything grand. It's just, like, for me, it's like my own horse. And I'm, like, looking to get a second one. It's like, what would you do with a second horse? That's nobody's business. No one needs to know about that second horse.

[Tommy]

Why are you questioning my second horse? Who does that? You better not question my second horse. You better not question it. You made an announcement. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. Yes, you did. No, you made an announcement. No, you made an announcement that you bought a horse. Nah. No, I didn't.

[Casey]

And just, like, you know, if Lisa buys something, she's gonna post it and brag about it. And I haven't seen any photos circulating of her riding off into the sunset on a horse. Angie's mad because she's like, horses are kind of like my family storyline, so please do not try to get in on this, because I know you're faking it.

[Tommy]

She's also like, my daughter is, like, into horses because she's more into my husband's side of the family now. This is giving her an opportunity to be into somebody more than me again. You know, like, now her daughter Electra is going to like Lisa more because Lisa's into horses, and that leaves Angie kind of out in the rain even more. You know, imagine for Angie if the daughter ended up liking Lisa more because they go horseback riding together. That will kill Angie.

[Casey]

Elektra's gonna be like, hello, mother. I've decided I will join the Olympics as an Olympian for not Greece. And I'll ride Lisa's horse. How could you do this to me?

[Tommy]

I'm riding Vita. Vita. She's so fine, Mom. In the American Olympics. How dare you?

So then Heather's like, okay, so that tea is spilled.

[Bronwyn]

So then you throw it in the ocean, Angie.

[Tommy]

So she throws the box over, and Lisa's like, I'm still irritated. So irritated me.

[Casey]

You know, that's what people do.

[Tommy]

I need that.

[Casey]

You can either say yay or nay. And I say nay anyway. You know, at this point, I'd rather be at the actual Boston Tea Party. And as a New Yorker, that's saying, like, a lot. Lisa tried to do some weird Boston Tea Party burn. So Brittany.

[Tommy]

Like, if someone from Poughkeepsie were way above Boston.

[Casey]

So.

Lisa would hate to be at the real Boston Tea Party. She's like, I have to pick this up. I have to pour it out. Like, I don't want to. I just, like, got this. Like, I just got this dress, like, steam ironed. Yeah.

[Tommy]

So Brittany's like, okay, I'll go.

[Bronwyn]

So I don't have anything I can.

[Tommy]

Think of that I've spilled the tea about.

[Bronwyn]

So I would like to know who.

[Tommy]

Spilled the tea about me flirting with Joao. And Mary goes, who's jaw?

[Casey]

Even though Mary was fully on the yacht with everyone else. And Britney's like, well.

[Heather]

Cause, you know, when I got home, Jared and I broke up over it.

[Casey]

And Mary goes, oh, God, not Jared, Joao.

[Bronwyn]

But you were broken up before the trip.

[Tommy]

Lisa's like, yeah, but you kissed Joel. No, I didn't.

[Bronwyn]

Yes, you did.

[Tommy]

It was on the floaty thing. Remember? You were on the floaty thing. You kissed Joelle.

[Heather]

Well, I kissed him on the cheek. I mean, Jared got this. This memo that was, like, making out with Joao.

[Casey]

And Heather's like, memo?

[Heather]

We don't even have memos in this sisterhood. What do you mean? A dm, a text, a call, a song by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. They lie, you know?

[Bronwyn]

Well, I was the one who told Justin that she deserves to flirt. So there's the answer. There's the answer to the T. We already got it.

[Tommy]

And we see a flashback to Whitney doing a voice detects for Justin going.

[Bronwyn]

Brittany is living her best life flirting with everyone. She's flirting with Joel. She's flirting with the guy who's holding a camera. She flirted with fish today.

[Casey]

Probably true. So Brahm was like, okay, all right.

[Heather]

Can we just throw this tea over?

[Casey]

I'm sick of talking about Jared.

[Heather]

Okay. So then Heather's like, well, I'm ready to do my tea. Are you ready for the big B word? Okay, in the spirit of full disclosure, I have to stand for what I have been spilling the tea about. And I think you probably know what it is. Brahman, because I am deeply fascinated by it. But the rumor about Todd making out with someone and then farting. Do you not feel like that's absurd?

[Tommy]

Throw the fucking box over. Okay, Just throw the box over. Just throw it.

[Casey]

All of a sudden, Bronwyn is not happy with her game I thought that was so funny. I was like, bronwyn, you could at least try to pretend to be like, oh, whatever. Like, Bronwyn got so serious, it was like, not having it whatsoever.

[Tommy]

Well, I think the reason she got so serious is because it's supposed to be. You're spilling tea about something that the tea hasn't been spilled yet. So this is old tea. And Heather's purposely bringing this up to remind Bronwyn that she's supposed to be mad at Lisa because Heather and Whitney are gonna be going for Lisa and Meredith in about two seconds. So she's reminding her. Remember, you're pissed off at Lisa, and I think that Bronwyn's like, I know what you're doing, Heather, you fucking asshole. Okay? And not only are you doing this with me and Lisa, but you're bringing up my husband farting all over some sloot. Okay, just throw it overboard.

[Casey]

Heather's like, okay, well, I'm. I'm gonna.

[Heather]

Can I apologize?

[Casey]

I want to apologize. I'm sorry.

[Heather]

I'm sorry.

[Casey]

And Mary's like, good, Heather.

[Heather]

That was great.

[Tommy]

Heather is just so transparent. Oh, my God. So Brom was like, okay, well, I didn't find it funny, but you've spilled it, and we've heard it. Okay, throw it overboard.

[Heather]

Okay, well, I'm gonna go next. Whitney, you and I had lunch, and in an effort to try to be a good friend to Meredith, I wanted to warn her about something that I.

[Casey]

Think went too far, but it has.

[Heather]

Upset you, and I want to apologize for spilling the tea that I should not have spilled. So I'm going to throw mine in the harbor.

[Casey]

Which, by the way, we also have not pointed out that this quote unquote harbor is that there's, like, a little, like, blue moat area that they've painted. Tarp.

[Tommy]

Yeah, it's like a tarp.

[Casey]

So their chairs, they just. They're throwing boxes that have been wrapped in, like, brown paper into, like, blue tarp. Like, that's what this show is like when we have, like, when we have, like, you know, Real Housewives of Miami goes off on a private jet. Like, we have an entire season of Miami, it feels like arguing about who gets to go on a private jet to go from Sevilla to the villa in the south of Spain, and who gets to have a seat. And this one, they're like, okay, it's.

[Heather]

Time for you to throw your cardboard.

[Casey]

Box into a tarp.

[Tommy]

While wearing a Party City founders wig. Your sin is so funny. Okay, well, I'm gonna go next. Okay.

[Bronwyn]

Whitney, we.

[Tommy]

Okay, you already did that. Okay, so Whitney's like, but wait, why.

[Bronwyn]

Didn'T you stop me mid conversation then and say, whitney, stop saying that?

[Tommy]

Okay, well, I did question you.

[Bronwyn]

Nuh, you laughed.

[Tommy]

And then we see a clip of Bronwyn going, well, okay, well, she's gonna scream at you for five hours if she hears that you said that about her.

[Bronwyn]

Okay.

[Tommy]

For sure. You are incoming rate. Oh, okay.

[Casey]

I. That is. I mean, it is so sneaky of Bronwyn to be like, well, if she hears that, she's going to be so mad. I'm like, you're the one who tells her.

[Tommy]

I know, but I do think you know Bronwyn. I said earlier how Bronwyn is one of the worst about carrying the bones, like taking one thing and then going to the other person immediately. But in this case, she is talking about Whitney spreading that you're an alcoholic and a pill popper behind her back. So.

[Casey]

Well, that's the other thing is if you say those things like, for sure someone's going to. Someone's gonna give Meredith a heads up.

[Tommy]

Yeah, I think it's good to give her a heads up, you know, because Whitney was just mad because she didn't get to do to out Meredith and call her an alcoholic in her own scene.

[Casey]

Yeah. And also, like, let's not forget who was the original bone carrier. Whitney Rose. Whitney Rose also is. My friends use like a sieve. Like, things like information just pass. My friends used to always call people sieves, like information. Like, it does not. It does not. It's not retained. The information goes right through someone to the next destination. So yeah, like, you know, like if you call someone. If you call someone an alcoholic and a pill popper on tv, it's definitely going to get back to them.

[Tommy]

But.

[Casey]

But I thought, but I did think it was like, I actually thought it was nice of Bronwyn to apologize. She basically is like, my bad, I shouldn't have done it. And Whitney is like, not letting her have it.

[Heather]

Whitney is like, no, that's not fair. Do you. I thought I was confiding in you in front of a camera, in front of the nation in a private conversation.

[Bronwyn]

I was confiding me trustworthy Whitney Rose, who never lies about anything. Lisa gave blowjobs for jazz tickets just for jazz.

[Tommy]

Brahm was like, well, then you should take that up with her because I'm not the keeper. I'm not the keeper of Meredith Swine.

[Bronwyn]

Well, I'm not the keeper either, but I'm the keeper of a Private conversation between you and I. And you broke that trust.

[Heather]

Mm.

[Casey]

Well, and that I can apologize for.

[Heather]

But now you're making me look bad. You're making me look horrible in front of Meredith.

[Casey]

But you're. Well, you said was gonna look bad. No matter what, it's gonna look bad right now. Or it could be addressed. Or it's gonna look bad when Meredith watches it on tv.

[Tommy]

Yeah, and you're doing nothing but making yourself look bad in front of Meredith. All you're doing is coming for Meredith every single year. Bronwyn's like, well, if you're uncomfortable with her knowing about it, then you probably shouldn't have said it now. Not tell me behind her back. Now it's really between the two of you. Okay, I'm gonna just keep nodding until you stop talking to me.

[Casey]

Okay, I apologize. Now you two get to fight about it. I mean, because, like, most people will say, well, anything I say behind your back, I'd say to your face.

[Heather]

But Whitney's like, now you're making me look bad. So you think I'm gonna call a belligerent woman two days after we land?

[Bronwyn]

If you want to go there, let's go there. Okay, Whitney, because everything I said was the truth, so stop with your lies.

[Heather]

What? That you didn't yell on the plane? That you didn't taunt her for six hours?

[Bronwyn]

No, I did not.

[Heather]

Can I. Can I have the crazy pill that y' all took? Because I would love it.

[Tommy]

Yeah, apparently, you're already taking it. Yeah, that was a good one. I can't wait to tell horse number two that one.

[Heather]

Well, of course your easy read out is that I'm a liar, because anything I say or experience isn't true. But guess what? You had other witnesses there, Meredith, so you can't call me a liar.

[Bronwyn]

Oh, well, you are a liar. So here we go. Let's talk about Whitney.

[Heather]

Calling me a liar triggers me so depthly because I felt like. I feel like I'm a very honest person to a fall. And I feel like anytime they're lying, they just gaslight me and say you're lying. And she never takes accountability.

[Tommy]

Yeah, you are a liar, though. You've lied a million times on this show.

[Bronwyn]

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[Casey]

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[Tommy]

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[Casey]

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[Tommy]

Oh, and a lot of the equipment was unusable.

[Casey]

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[Tommy]

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And so she's like, you want to go there?

[Bronwyn]

If you're going to call me a liar, let's do it. Alcoholic pill popper.

[Tommy]

I was like, okay, you know what? And who are you, you fucking hypocrite? You, who has all these reports about being so wasted at BravoCon, you almost fell off the stage and were wasted the entire weekend with your buddy Heather, who just pissed all over herself and barfed all over herself on camera multiple times on, most notably at that drag queen bus thing that you guys just did. You two are something else.

[Casey]

Well, the other thing is that, that Whitney talks about, like, how this is all triggering for her because of her situation with her dad, which is very real. But also like, given that you have had so much experience and firsthand, like, have been impacted firsthand by that stuff, it's crazy that then she would just yell at someone, alcoholic pill popper, like, weaponizing it against them.

[Tommy]

So, yeah, because if you really believe that she is an alcoholic and a drug addict, for you to do that to her, like go on camera and spread it and then scream alcoholic. And pill popper is really a destructive thing to do. And another destructive thing to do is to go on and compare your own trauma from your father and put that on somebody else. That's a whole sack of bullshit. You can't do that to people. And it's also shitting your father, by the way. It's like, why do we. Why are we. She's just a shithead, this Whitney Rose. I'm so glad she's showing her ass because I think she's had a whole season of people buying into her bullshit. And I'm really glad she's showing her ass today because this is gross. And then don't worry, Heather's gonna do the same thing in Just a minute. Where she's gonna turn her trauma into. And make that Meredith's fault, too. We'll see. We'll wait for it. So Meredith first is like, well, I.

[Bronwyn]

Have some presents for you.

[Tommy]

So she gets up and she walks and she grabs some bags. And Whitney's like, well, I'm sick of.

[Bronwyn]

You being able to throw around character assassin asking things about me.

[Tommy]

What did she say about you? They. What did she say? What did. What was said about Whitney this season? I don't remember.

[Casey]

Well, she's. Well, meaning that, like, she's saying that Whitney's a liar. So Whitney is like, that's characters.

[Heather]

That's. That's like a. That's like an assassination. Oh, you know what it is? It's almost like when two men dress up, like, what was the name of that musical? And they shoot each other, and one of them shoots the other one first. It's like an assassination, but of a character. Yeah, exactly, Britney. You got it exactly right.

[Tommy]

Yeah, but she's calling you a liar because you're doing character assassinating things against her that she's calling lies. So you can't call the victim when you're the aggressor. She's so crazy.

[Bronwyn]

So Meredith is like, all right, well, I've got presents.

[Tommy]

And she passes them out. And everyone's like, thank you. Thinking they're real presence. And Angie's like, wait a minute. Multi drug, urine test, cup. Oh, my God. And Brittany's like, I've never in my life taken a drug test.

[Heather]

Like, where does one go for seven drug tests? Last second.

[Casey]

I'm like, I don't think it was last second. I'm pretty sure this was planned.

[Tommy]

And also, I like that she thinks that every store has just one drug test.

[Bronwyn]

Where did she get seven?

[Casey]

Mary goes, that's a lot of urine.

[Heather]

All right, well, I am happy to take a drunk test every single day.

[Casey]

Of my life because I'm very honest.

[Heather]

About everything that I do. And as I've said for years, I'll have a drink here or there, maybe an occasional gummy, maybe a teaspoon of my toddler's baby food. So if you have made an accusation against me for substance abuse, I think you need to take the test.

[Tommy]

This is gold. I love that she did this. And now let's watch how they turn this around so that they don't have.

[Casey]

To take the test.

[Tommy]

Because I was like, are they going to take this test? Because this is amazing, because, you know, half of these people are on coke. I mean, they're on tv. So Brittany's like, well, I mean, this issue on the plane has taken on a whole new life of its own. Oh, God, we've graduated from Britney. Plain drama now. We're getting a doctorate soon.

[Casey]

Saladatorian at work. She is so happy that she's at the. At the center of, like, the driving, you know, second half drama of the season.

[Tommy]

So.

[Casey]

So Meredith is like, so the one.

[Heather]

With the accusations is so quickly putting it away. Whitney Rose.

[Tommy]

Wow.

[Heather]

Is this like your business just being put away for no one to see? That's a burn. Sounds like a projection.

[Tommy]

I think it is, because notice Whitney didn't take this. I mean, we saw the Below Deck where Heather was on there with Angie Harrington and she looked coked out of her mind that entire time. She was completely obnoxious. Angie. Whitney. Heather. Oh, remember when she was on Below Deck with Angie Harrington?

[Casey]

Blow Deck Adventure?

[Tommy]

I do.

[Casey]

I don't really remember Heather. Like, what they did on that.

[Tommy]

She was so fucking obnoxious on that. She was. If anybody wants to go back and look at it, tell me that woman's not coked out of her mind. And then Whitney's like, well, what, am.

[Bronwyn]

I supposed to pull up my skirt and pee on it?

[Tommy]

Yes, Whitney, if you're going to be sitting here doing, you know, throwing accusations at everyone else, let's see what's in your bloodstream. Ma', am, I'd love to know because you seem fucked up in every episode to me. So bring it on. Pee on it, Papa Squat.

[Casey]

What's in your wallet? What's in your wallet of pee, Papa Squat? Lady, I love this.

[Tommy]

I wish Meredith just made him do it.

[Heather]

Well, well, let's see that. Okay, you decided that you wanted to.

[Casey]

Wanted to make this some kind of.

[Heather]

Spread rumors behind my back as you do almost every single year. No, you can't tell me what my intentions are. Stop talking. I'm talking right now.

[Bronwyn]

That's not my intentions.

[Heather]

Yes, it was. I was gonna have a very good monologue right now where I was gonna reference rumors and asking. This is my new board game and you kind of ruined that for me.

[Bronwyn]

You want me to talk about it in front of everyone?

[Heather]

I do, actually.

[Casey]

And again, at this point, this is where Meredith has her little flouncy.

[Bronwyn]

Her.

[Casey]

I'm trying to use this Velcro here as a. As a visual. She has this flouncy quill and she's.

[Heather]

Like, I do want you to talk about it.

[Casey]

It's like she's trying to cast spells, magic spells. It's like this thing is flapping in front of her. It is. I was laughing every time that feather bounced around on screen. I cracked up.

[Bronwyn]

Well, I'm tired of Whitney making false accusations on me. And they are damaging and they are hard to disprove, and she needs to worry about herself and her own projecting it on to me.

[Heather]

You do this every time you go to sleep, you wake up, and you get more mad. You did it to me on the boat.

[Casey]

And then we see a flashback to Meredith. Now we go from Meredith wearing a founding father's wig to Meredith with a cleaver inside her head. I mean, the way that this goes from costume to costume while they're having these fights is so funny. And we see that, like at night on the yacht when she's like, oh.

[Heather]

Well, okay, you looked at a tik tok.

[Casey]

And then in the morning, she's like.

[Heather]

Well, you brought up a tik tok. And the person I'm really angry at is Whitney Rose.

[Bronwyn]

Yeah, Whitney didn't warn me about the TikTok.

[Tommy]

So then we come back, and Meredith's.

[Bronwyn]

Like, well, I'm not allowed to think things over and realize that there are things that piss me off. She's like, you're absolutely allowed. But I'm describing my experience, and I've witnessed your behavior, and I recognize it. Oh, well, you know what? We're gonna backtrack to every single event this year, and let's see how much I've had to drink. Let's start over. No, because that's a way to deflect. I'm describing my experience. This is a sensitive subject. Okay.

[Tommy]

Okay. And so now she's going to bring on her dad drama as a way to deflect from her having to pee in a cup. Now who's deflecting? Pop your squat.

[Heather]

In the past, when I've witnessed people acting the way that Meredith has, it was fueled by drugs or alcohol. And I don't know what's going on with Meredith, and I hope it's none of those things. And I just wish she understood why I worry about.

Line.

[Tommy]

Yeah, you sound really worried. Screaming, alcohol, alcoholic billboard. You're just a real good girl scout over there.

[Heather]

Trauma. Trauma.

[Bronwyn]

I just care about you, and you alarmed me.

[Tommy]

Like, no, you don't care about me.

[Bronwyn]

Or you would come to me. No, you don't care about me. That's why you don't accept the fact that I love you.

[Casey]

That's a huge accusation that you love her. Okay? Because she's weaponizing her Me excuse experience. That's huge. Huge exp. Imagine your friend is emotional upset, and instead of having compassion, you label her crazy and a drug addict when all she's trying to do is watch crazy Rich Asians. Such a good movie, by the way. Like, what the is wrong with you guys? Like, what is wrong with you? Like, no wonder why she brought drug death.

[Bronwyn]

This isn't fair. Well, I was gonna have the conversation with you, and it got taken away from me by Bronwyn. You yelled at me, and I was upset. Upset. I did not yell at you on the plane.

Mar.

[Casey]

Mary tells us, yeah, this is exactly how I remember it.

[Tommy]

Like, no, she says it's not exactly.

[Casey]

Oh, not. I'm sorry. Not exactly. But she does say, meredith did yell at Whitney. I heard it with my own ears. I saw it. Like, why is she denying it? And we see a flashback to VS in here where. Which I don't think we saw this part. But Mary's like, don't you remember when.

[Heather]

You were like, you're an idiot. You're a gracious.

[Casey]

Just like a Meredith Marx impersonation.

[Heather]

Like, you're an idiot. Whitney, get off the plane. Whitney. You're ruining this movie for me. Whitney.

[Casey]

I love Mary doing Meredith, but trying to do it in a tender way.

[Tommy]

Yeah. And she's like, wow. It's almost like she wasn't there or she doesn't remember. So Heather's like, well, Meredith, you trust.

[Bronwyn]

Me, and believe me, I was on the plane. And you said the same thing to both of us.

[Tommy]

So they're having the same fight over whether or not she said, if you stay friends with Britney, we're not friends. And Meredith said, I did not tell.

[Bronwyn]

You our friendship was over. She goes, lisa, what did she say? You've already said what she said before, so just try and say the same story. Lisa.

[Tommy]

I was like, well, maybe stop calling someone a liar. That you're trying to get onto your side. Like Heather. You think that Heather would be better at this by now, so.

[Casey]

Lisa. Yeah, I wasn't there for that.

[Heather]

I don't know.

[Casey]

I don't know.

[Heather]

It's like, no, that. That's a very different story than when.

[Casey]

You said at Valters and we have a flashback at. At Valter, as Lisa said. Yeah, Meredith, you basically said, it's like me or Brittany. And so Heather's like, yeah, you said.

[Heather]

That if your friends with her were done. Well, I never turned to her and said, we're not friends. I would never say that. Yes, you did. You said it. No, I Didn't. You did. Why'd you apologize to me, then? Why'd you send me a text message to apologize?

[Bronwyn]

Well, it wasn't what I said. It was my tone, and that's why I sent you the apology. I mean, what did I. What did I say? The apology. Sorry I snapped at you. That's what I said.

[Heather]

No, you wrote something completely different, and I can say that because I'm an author. Words matter to me. You said, sorry if I snapped at you.

[Bronwyn]

Okay, well, maybe I said, if I snap.

[Heather]

You know, I know I'm not lying. And in fact, she's the one who's lying.

[Tommy]

Oh, okay. So you were sleeping, then you weren't sleeping, then you slept twice, then you kind of heard it, then it was six hours of pure screaming. You're. You're lying. You are lying. Ma', am. There is something going on, I think. Meredith. You know, I don't even want to get into it because it's like the 20thousandth time we've had to have this conversation.

[Bronwyn]

And Whitney's like, well, she's so fanatically defending herself to the point of bringing props and drug tests for all of us, that this is projection. Because why would she want us to take drug tests?

[Tommy]

Because she wants to prove that you're on something, Whitney, which you probably are.

[Bronwyn]

Take the test.

[Tommy]

Test. Prove her wrong. They love.

[Casey]

They're both accusing each other of projecting and deflecting.

[Tommy]

And she's willing to take it, too notice. So let her take it, too. Take the test, Whitney. Go ahead.

[Casey]

Heather is like, I. Meredith, I have.

[Heather]

Been a very, very good friend to you for a very, very long time.

[Bronwyn]

Well.

[Heather]

And you lied. You lie, you lied, you lied. You lied and all said. You all said horrible things about me that didn't happen. I have a toddler that I'm raising and you would say those things. What happens if I get taken away? Who's gonna slice the lemons? We all know you need five people, and if we only have four, that lemon is not getting sliced.

[Bronwyn]

Are you fucking kidding me right now? I know that only my teeth move, but you're calling me a liar? I am crying right now, people. Do you see these tears?

[Tommy]

Nobody?

[Bronwyn]

Well, they're there. They are there. Tears are clear. Get off my ass.

[Casey]

What's going on?

[Tommy]

Heather?

[Casey]

What's going on?

[Tommy]

Heather, Come on.

[Bronwyn]

I'm furious. I'm furious, that's what. Because you sit across from me and tell me, Heather Gay, that I lied.

[Heather]

I. I didn't say that.

[Bronwyn]

Yes, you did. Yes, you did. Did she not say that you knocked like me.

[Heather]

I was watching Crazy Rich Asians. I've been watching it this whole time. I was watching a very good film. I. I maybe talked about this subject for five minutes max.

[Tommy]

I'm watching a film, Heather screaming about gaslighting when she drunkenly screamed at Lisa running around a boat trying to escape.

[Bronwyn]

Her, saying, just admit it. Just admit everything that.

[Tommy]

Notice that Heather has to do that a lot.

[Casey]

No, no. Even worse, Heather went around chasing Lisa around that yacht saying, I'm being a good friend for you. Why are you so mad at me that I'm being a good friend to you right now? And I just accuse you of always being the one to leak things. But also, again, I don't want to harp on this point, but let's please acknowledge the comedy of Heather crying about being what she feels, gaslit while she's in this wig and she's pointing that.

[Tommy]

Feather at Meredith Parks.

[Heather]

You gaslight me.

[Bronwyn]

She's like, well, I know what I said, and you misunderstood what I was saying. No, you're doing it to me still, and I'm upset because of what you did. You're questioning my loyalty, you're questioning my friendship, and you're questioning my air fryer. I was there.

[Heather]

I am quite familiar with someone telling me that, like, the entire history I've been told my entire life was true, when in fact, it wasn't. Mormonism, get ready. I'm bringing the weight of the church into this one. Meredith, you may have a toddler. I've got a religion. Get ready.

[Tommy]

So now Meredith is the Mormon patriarchy. I cannot with this show.

[Bronwyn]

This is a big trigger for me, especially growing up Mormon, leaving the church and having Mormons tell me to my face that the church I left was.

[Tommy]

Not the church that I lived in, and it was.

[Bronwyn]

And I don't want to be gaslit by Mormons, and I don't want to be gaslit by drug addicts and founders here either.

[Heather]

You guys have this ability to say what you think is the truth, and if we don't get it, fine, we're just fucking liars or crazy. And that's just not fair. Not in this sisterhood. I still feel very unsettled by this whole thing. I need you to say I'm horrified that what happened on the plane and I'm so sorry, and not look at me and say that I'm a liar.

[Tommy]

You are a fucking liar. And you know what? I'm so happy that Meredith and Lisa are just gonna stick to their guns. This Is now, what, the fifth time that they've tried coming out? And what Heather is saying, you guys have this ability to say what you think is the truth, and if we don't get it, if we don't fall in line, we're just fucking liars or crazy. That's exactly what you two have been doing in every single episode. Notice that nobody else is jumping on this train. If everybody else on this plane was so horrified, why is it only Whitney and Heather screaming and crying in every episode? Yeah, I don't get it. So she's like, well, there's no resolution.

[Bronwyn]

I doubt there will be today.

[Tommy]

And apparently nobody's going to pee in their comps, so I guess we should just move on. I wish you just said papa squat. Whitney and Heather, let's see what's in your system. I would just say that every other line, as I have been in this.

[Casey]

Recap, Mary asks the. The true question that's been going through all of our heads this entire episode. Is anyone else wearing a girdle besides me? Because it's cutting into my ribs.

[Tommy]

So now Bronwyn has a big surprise, and it's her dress reveal. She's got something bigger and better. So meanwhile.

She goes and changes, and she comes out wearing this huge ball gown with the Constitution draped down the front. And she says that she's had the Constitution this whole time, and now they're going to make a friend Constitution, and they're going to make rules and amendments for their friendship. So now they have to say, hear ye, and then they have to say their amendment.

[Casey]

Yeah. I'll just say right now, these ladies are all going to be heading into a constitutional crisis within 15 minutes of the next episode because none of these amendments are going to be followed.

[Tommy]

So lots of executive orders coming down.

[Heather]

A lot of ratifications.

[Casey]

So Heather's like, hear ye, hear ye.

[Heather]

Be a woman of your word.

[Casey]

I was like, that's a vague amendment.

[Heather]

So.

[Casey]

Okay, whatever. And these guys, hear ye, hear ye. To be the friend that you expect others to be. And also, like at Wendy's for your friends when they're, like, showing up places and stuff. That'd be really nice. Yeah, thanks.

[Tommy]

Mary wants everybody to hear each other, but also forgive. Okay. Because, you know, she's a preacher. So then Mary's.

[Bronwyn]

Whitney's like, here ye, hear ye. There are topics that are off limits. Business, marriages, and children.

[Tommy]

Whitney, you started this season coming after Lisa's business, and you have not let up.

[Bronwyn]

What are you talking about?

[Casey]

Hear ye, hear ye. In this group we need to be very careful about saying things about people without documentation. And I'd like to propose a second amendment. Everyone in this group must sign a petition to have Electra ride for Greece in the Olympics. Thank you very much.

[Tommy]

Britney wants everyone to see the best in people. And Meredith is like, hear ye, hear ye.

[Bronwyn]

Stop the reactive abuse. Not at all.

[Tommy]

I have to say, drops her quill.

[Casey]

I like. Her amendment is like a protest anthem. So Mary's like, what?

[Bronwyn]

Everyone's like, hug each other, love each other, stop and smell the roses.

[Tommy]

Stop.

[Heather]

My amendment is that love is love and I don't care if Michelle Yeoh doesn't approve. I was watching.

[Bronwyn]

I'm gonna have to Google reactive abuse.

[Tommy]

So she looks it up and she reads it.

[Bronwyn]

Reactive abuse happens when a victim of abuse respond reacts to an abuse in a way which could include physical violence or shouting of their own. Well, thank you for giving me a definition of your behavior, Meredith.

[Casey]

So like, okay, well, cheers. The new med man.

[Tommy]

I think she's saying that. I think like a person with a brain would like parse that a little more. Think maybe she's saying that you're using the alcoholism of your father to project onto other people, you ding dong.

[Bronwyn]

She's just like, you are.

[Casey]

So Whitney says, sorry, I was looking up reactive abuse. I was, I was looking up to make sure. I was like, let me just double check that what Whitney's definition is is actually the real one. So Whitney, Heather makes a joke.

[Heather]

Okay, no more farts.

[Casey]

And they're just like laughing. Oh my God. And Mary's like, I mean farting can go. Only go so far. And that's just no longer funny.

[Heather]

And Mary, Queen of gas.

[Casey]

So that's where it ends. And next week we are off to the. We're off to the, the cast trip without even any sort of like, there's no. They didn't see this. You just are jumping into it. Yeah. So I guess we're in the final. We're in the final act of the season. I'm assuming it's going to end there on vacay, so. Makes me a little sad.

[Tommy]

Probably not because there's at least four episodes left. So do you think they'll all be vacation?

[Casey]

I think so. This group, this group does vacation pretty, pretty big. Look, you know, it's a lesson to be learned. You keep people on regional jets for the first, you know, half of their tenure on, on tv that then when they finally get to cross borders and go international, they just, just, they go wild on their cast vacations.

[Tommy]

Yeah, well, let's see. We can hope. Well, I guess be sure because they will. This. This is going to be crazy.

[Casey]

And by the time we come back to talk about real house as a Salt Lake city next week, there'll be one other person who'll be able to listen. Her name is Jen Shaw. She's being released one week from today.

[Tommy]

So you don't think that they can listen in jail? Come on.

[Casey]

But she can listen freely. She can listen and put her feet up on the dash.

[Tommy]

All right, everybody, thank you so much for being here. This is a fun one. We will be back later with some vanderpump rules and then we've still got a full week Southern charm and the premiere of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills coming. Straight at ya, baby. We sure love you guys. We'll talk to you next time.

[Heather]

Bye.

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