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Welcome to a moment of Zen with Virgin Voyages. As you know, the Real Housewives of Miami took a trip on a beautiful Virgin Voyages cruise this season.
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But everyone should get a chance to do that. You, me, and the ladies of Salt Lake City.
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We're joining Heather and Bronwyn from the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City as they stretch out at one of our complimentary group fitness classes. That's right. At Virgin Voyages, everything from Wi fi to wellness is included in your fare.
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No hidden fees, just pure relaxation and rejuvenation. Whether you're sailing to the Caribbean or the Mediterranean, you'll find plenty of ways to unwind. Now, let's see how Heather and Bronwyn are balancing their chakras. Mm. Mm.
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Wow.
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Wow. Down, dog. Okay. Okay, Heather, I'm so glad we're taking this yoga class together.
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As a sisterhood, it is our duty to not just show up for a downward dog, but be an upward prediction presence for all of each other.
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Okay, touch. Touch your toes. Okay, we're going down. We're going down. Okay. It's a little hard to do this. Could someone have told me not to wear an inflatable dinosaur today? Because that's making this a little bit difficult to reach my. My toes.
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You know, as. As a sisterhood, we can come together and we can take this inflatable thing off of you. But just know that when we do this, we do this as a sisterhood together. And furthermore, I have written three books. Just want to throw that in there.
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What are you saying, Heather? What are you saying? Are you saying you would prefer me without my dinosaur costume? Well, I'm sorry, but I use these because I have trauma, and I'm just trying to make my husband happy at an airport. Well, excuse me for living, Heather.
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I'm just trying to relax with my yoga. So if anyone doesn't mind, I will be distributing some copies of Bad Mormon to everyone to use as yoga blocks. Okay? Please enjoy.
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Oh, so now I'm a bad Mormon. Now I'm a bad Mormon. Oh, that's great. That's great. Oh, I suppose I'm a fraud and a con as well. Okay. Okay, great. Oh, what are you leaking? What are you leaking, Heather? Are you leaking my information?
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I am doing nothing of the sort. This is a sisterhood, and really, all that I am concerned of is making sure I can stand on one leg in this beautiful yoga class. And I'm just going to meditate. Receipts, proof, timeline, screenshots, everything.
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Get me out of this thing.
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Namaste, folks. At Virgin Voyages, you get a perfect blend of relaxation and excitement. While we can't promise your your yoga sessions will be as eventful as Heather and Bronwyn's, we know you'll have a fabulous time.
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Guess what happens when there's so much.
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That happens.
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Hi, everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that, let's get right back into the episode. So Heather's like, last time I heard about Todd, he was looking at lingerie pictures on his iPad and sleeping at a hotel. So now they're happy, monogamous, and Bronwyn would never dare clutch my pearls thinking of hooking up with a Greek man. I just, I can't keep it straight.
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So she's like, well, let's be fair. She said, bronwyn, I noticed you're not wearing your wedding ring. Is there something you want announced? And you were like, well, Todd moved out. And I was really hooked into that story. Bronwyn, are you taking back the story? I really loved it.
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Yep. Huh. And I'm not wearing my wedding ring today. And I don't wear it a lot of times because I wear different jewelry all the time. So I don't really know what you're trying to prove here.
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B
So that was all a ruse that, that whole conversation you had with Whitney?
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No, no, no. You might have added two plus two and gotten five. There so, you know, maybe it's your math that's off when you're just trying to repeat the things that I said. I think you got your math wrong. Two plus two equals five. Yeah, unfortunately. No.
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B
Well, just to be fair to Bronwyn, the conversation to. To be fair to her, the conversation really was Bronwyn saying, we don't have an open relationship, but I'm open to having an open relationship. But even in that conversation, she was so wistfully waffly about what she was saying. Sounded like she did have an open relationship, but wasn't ready to admit the open relationship. And her and Whitney were kind of talking around the fact that they're both probably fucking other people at this point. But they wouldn't. They. They wouldn't go that far on camera. So the whole thing was kind of confusing. But also, even though I think Bronwyn's being a liar and she's being ridiculous and it's getting on my nerves, I still am like, heather, it's not really your business. Like, she can that when she wants, you know, it.
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Agreed. And you're right. Bronwyn said, we are open to being open. We're open to having. I'm open to having a conversation, but that's just too nuanced for the likes of, like, Heather and Whitney. They just hear, like, open. That's all they hear. So it just. I guess it's funny because sometimes she's tonally inconsistent. Sometimes where she's like, like, girlfriend, here's how it is. And I said to Todd, you better get to the motel. Am I right? High five, everyone. And then suddenly she's like. She becomes muggy. She's like, we're not going to talk about that.
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It's true.
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Everything's fine.
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Yeah, it's true. And the reason I'm going to still kind of stay on her side, even though I think she's full of shit. And they're right, is because once again, here we have someone kind of refusing to do what they want her to do. And so they're going to turn on her in public, right? So we have Whitney, who's like. Because now she's mad at Bronwyn for releasing the. The information about the relation, the conversation she had had with Meredith. So it's just what they did with Meredith. They're like, meredith, you want to come against Lisa with us? And she's like, no. So then they turn on Meredith and say she's a drunk on a plane. Then you've got Whitney going, okay, well, I'm going to talk to you about this thing I'm about to do to Meredith, accusing her of being a drug addict. And then she goes and tells Meredith. And so now we're going to get to you about your open relationship, because there's. They could be asking Whitney the same thing, like, who you fucking. You were sitting there talking about an open relationship, too. Yeah.
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I also think that there's probably an element where Bronwyn does not want to discuss any of this in front of Lisa Barlow, because Lisa Barlow was the one who was like, Todd's, like, cheating and, like, farting while making out. And I don't think that she remember because that was like, that broke the truce that they had made. So I also think that, like, maybe she would be down to, like, go into this more if it was just like, Heather and Whitney and Mary or I don't know, or whatever. But I think knowing that she's in the presence of Lisa, who's going to, like, use anything you say in her mind, use anything you say against you. She's like, I'm not talking about this here at this table. This is. This is not up for discussion right now.
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B
Yeah, well, I mean, don't bring it up. My gosh. So Whitney's like, well, yeah, but at this point, it's not so much about the details or the story. It's what is Bronwyn want us to think? Because she put all this out there about a relationship and now she's backpedaling. So I'm just kind of like, what happened? And what's real?
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Whitney picks up a pillow. Is this real? What about this chair? Is this real? It's like, okay, you don't have to question if everything is real. Am I in the metrics?
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So Mary, who's oddly the voice of reason this season, which is super weird, but I'm into. Because she's so funny, but she's like, so Bronwyn, you can't pretend like it didn't happen. I mean, when you say stuff and you put it out there, it comes across as there's trouble. And then you come back and you bring it back up. Like, you can't pretend like you don't know what we're talking about or you don't know what Heather's saying. And she's like, but I know what Heather's saying. But I didn't say to Heather that Todd moved out. I didn't say that we separated. I didn't say that. I didn't. I didn't. I just insinuated.
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Your words were, I asked him to leave, and you didn't say it in Greek, which I did not appreciate, but that's true.
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I mean, she is kind of playing the Meredith fight, where she's like, well, I didn't technically say that. She didn't. She didn't say they separated, you know, and she didn't say he moved out. She said she kicked him out when she got mad at him and he had to stay in a hotel. So Angie's, like, trying to harp on it, and Heather's like, but you said it to the whole group. Am I reading it wrong?
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Well, this is just, like, so weird. This is so weird that I came to you guys, like, I came to you guys, like, really honestly, and I don't have to explain anything that happens in my house. I'm like, that's the point is that you came to them honestly, and now they're trying to, like, kind of be gal pali. Kind of like, hey, we're following up on what you said, and now you're acting like you never said in the first place.
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Yes, and that's true because it's just crazy because they're all wrong so many times. This isn't even true. But again, this is Heather being like, I'm gonna take one thing you said and now make it sound like you're gonna be openly guys in Greece. You know what I mean? She's taking like, I got mad at Todd, and if Todd wanted an open relationship, I'd be down for that. She's taking that into, like, why, you know, who do you want to fucking grease? She's taking it to a whole nother level. And then when you don't agree with her, she's like, am I the only one hearing crazy pills? Well, kind of, because you're exaggerating something that's not the truth, Bronwyn.
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I was not there, so I didn't hear any of this. I also am hard of hearing. One can't just want to remind everyone. But I've stood in your shoes, so I support the position that you're in. But from my past experience, this is probably not the end of it with this group. I'm just telling you that that was my experience. And maybe next time, you might want to pack an easy breezy blazer. That's it.
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Not only will it not end, you're gonna start seeing tick tock dances about Todd wanting to look at porn on his iPad.
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There was no judgment on my end. I mean, you were very open about it. Oh, no, you can judge me. That's fine, too. That's fine. I'm totally, like, chill with you judging me. As you can see, I'm totally, totally chill. Well, what I want to know is if Lisa Barlow is going to hook up with the Greek guy. God, look at that. Bringing levity to situation that I made tense.
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And Lisa's like, you know what? John is Russian German Joe, and I'll just stick with that. That's like, enough. That's like three different kinds of guys that can buy me a Porsche.
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I'm, like, so sick of Greece. So now they go back to the villa, and they have to be ready at 6:45 because they're gonna go shopping and go to dinner in, like, in town and everything. So everyone's getting ready, and Heather knocks on Mary's door. And Heather's like, okay, all right, let's close the door for this conversation. I don't know what's going on with Meredith. For someone that I feel like I have such a good relationship with in this sisterhood, it blows my mind that she can you have make little cutting comments and call me a liar and never really, like, truly apologize and make it right. We just move on like nothing ever happened.
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Could you just make that shorter? Sure. So I'm coming into your room to enlist you to have a fight with Meredith by proxy so I don't have to.
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Oh, okay. Got it.
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Yeah. Jesus, I'm bored. He's like, oh, my God, this fight's so stupid. So Meredith has pulled Heather aside. She wants to talk one on one, but Heather's not interested in one on one because she says that Meredith will twist and turn anything she says in private and make it into something else, which is what I've been accusing Heather of this whole season. So I'm like, okay, yeah, Heather wants.
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Witnesses, and she also wants to have, like, the primary fight of the episode. So.
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Yeah, and she wants everybody to fight Meredith for her, because if it's just her, you know, she's. She's not going to win. She needs everybody there, you know, beating the one person down. That's how she rolls.
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So Heather's saying basically. Basically, like, by not engaging with me, she's actually dismissing my friendship. And Mary says, well, okay. Well, then say it to her face. I mean, you need to be more direct and tell her how you feel, because she listens to you. She goes, well, I don't know what to say to her because I've been so direct. And she takes it as a personal attack. I mean, every Single time I tell her that she's, you know, totally unreliable and she's a monster on a plane and she should have been locked up by tsa, she just take that as a personal attack. It's ridiculous.
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It's crazy. I like how she says meredith won't engage. She's engaged with you every single time you brought it up. You just don't like the answer, which is you're a liar. And so Mary's like, well, I was raised to tell people how I feel and be honest, but I don't think that these women are capable of being able to just say how they honestly feel just because they worry about things that don't matter, like other people's feelings.
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Just kidding.
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I'm a preacher. Did I just say that?
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Okay, so now everyone's ready except for Lisa, and Angie's ready to go because, like, and they. Angie wants to go out to the town. The sun will be setting, it'll be beautiful, blah, blah, blah.
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And.
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But Lisa is still in glam. Andrew's like, we are on the other side of the world, and you've got people here to powder your nose. It's a reflection of what Lisa feels is the most important in life. Not what's on the inside, but what people see on the outside. This is Angie's new thing that she's doing this episode. Like, she says it, like 10 more times. She cares about the outside, not on the inside, but doesn't. Don't you realize the best part of spanakopita is not the philo. It's the spinach and the feta.
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So they all get into a golf cart, and meanwhile, Lisa's just in glam. Like, make it Greeker. Give me the Greekest makeup you can. I just, like, put Suzuki on my eyes. I don't even care. I want to be the Greekest person at dinner.
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Lisa's never been happier. She is sitting there, she's getting someone's putting makeup on her face, and she is, like, so happy. She's like, oh, I love that. Show me your brush. That's a nice brush. That's a really nice brush. Wait a second. What do you have there? Is that a pencil? Can I see the pencil? Oh, my God, such a nice pencil. You have a Cartier watch. I know you didn't cuz you're not a copycat. I love you so much.
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So they just leave Lisa, and now they're walking down the street in Greece. And Whitney's like, should I put my thumb out? Wait, maybe that's Offensive in Greek.
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And then she just falls.
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She just falls.
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She wipes out. Like, actually, I am impressed that a. She didn't rip anything. She didn't have any, like, scrapes or was. Wasn't bleeding. I mean, that was like, she wiped out half on asphalt, half on gravel. I mean, I feel like. And. And of all the times that Heather could have made a joke, be like, wow, she's so unsteady in Utah. We should have known that when she came to Greece. Wow, where are the Greek gods to help her now? I mean, she was sliding down to Hades with the way she felt. I mean, like, this is like a Heather moment. She didn't even say anything.
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So some hot guy comes and helps her up. And Whitney's like, heather, a Hawkeye came and saved me.
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If you were driving, if you're one of those motorists and saw Whitney wipe out for no good reason on the side of the road, like, could you even imagine. Could you even imagine just seeing Whitney wipe out on the side of the road?
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I would honk.
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She's like, I want to you wait, everyone, I wanna. I wanna do. This is my new visual presentation of what happened to Wild Rose Beauty. Ah.
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Why haven't we mentioned prism? Where's that? So I'm just curious. Why haven't they mentioned that yet?
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Prism part of Wild Rose?
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No, because Wild Rose Beauty is a beauty products. And then Prism was the jewelry line where she's buying everything from Alibaba and then marking it up times 200 or whatever. That was last year's thing. So anyway, Angie's like, Or two years ago. I don't remember. So Angie's like, I wonder what Lisa's doing now. She's probably still in Clem. And Heather's like, how long does it take to do glam? And they're all like, oh, my God, it took me two seconds. And Whitney's like, yeah, I did my own glam with Heather's makeup. Like, oh, yeah, you guys are all so ridiculous. You all do glam. Just stop.
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Well, to be fair, Whitney does look like the joker. She has, like, her lipstick going up to her cheek.
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Yeah, I know. I don't know that I would trust all of your own glam. Anyway, look at Brittany. Brittany looks like she's doing kabuki theater over there. She's got, like, a completely white face, and then the rest of her is, like, tan.
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So Heather says, I mean, I would hate to be crippled with that type of insecurity about my physical appearance that I would arrive alone. But clearly, confidence and insecurity are not a problem for Lisa Barlow. I'm like, heather, have you, like, you're.
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On your 30th face?
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I don't.
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I want to support people doing what they want to do for the. For their faces and their insecurities. But, like, stop acting like. I mean, we've heard your story about the bolero jacket, okay? Your entire. Your entire. Your entire Persona is about insecurity and how you've meant been made to feel insecure by the Mormon Church.
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Your whole industry is built on insecurity. Your entire empire is built on. Just stop. Just stop it right now. I was cracking up at that.
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Just Heather, like, with that face.
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Wow. Like, people's insecurity. So sad.
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A
Now this here's what I will say. I do love that, by and large, they, you know, like, Roni, Salt Lake City, by and large, the glam is not a major presence. Like, on Roni, they didn't even have glam squads, really. I don't think until Ebony showed up and she had like a glam squad that, remember, in the basement, like Ramona's basement or something. But like, I, you know, as opposed to Beverly Hills, where it's just like endless, endless glam squad, you know, the glam squads, I believe, single handedly ruined Beverly Hills. And.
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That'S really all I have to say about that. I don't really have anywhere to go with that except, like, let's.
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B
Well, it's like, I think you're saying, like, normally it's, you know, you would be complaining about the glam stuff too, if it's overdone. But, like, in this case, it's hilarious because Lisa's so attached to it. And like, when they showed the clip of her being in Palm Springs and refusing to, you know, not bring her glam person being like, I have a glam person in Saint Tropez. I have a glam person in Capri. I have a glam person in Angie's Porsche. Like, everywhere.
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It feels sometimes like it's what she has. Yeah. Like, let her have it. Let her have it.
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Yeah. So.
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Well, it's also funny. Like, like, it's one thing if you say, like, I don't like that Lisa is putting glam in front of, like, this friendship moment that we're all having. We're all gonna go out together and she's putting glam before us. I think that's totally valid. But to be like, she's so insecure that she has to have glam, I'm like.
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Please secure people. Don't go on Real Housewives in the first place. Let's all. Let's also be honest. So Heather, Whitney, Britney. And I say this as an insecure person myself. Hello.
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Well, I'm insecure.
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A
Do I need to talk about the flat feet again?
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B
I'm. I'm going to Botox tomorrow. I'm on the Ozempic. Like I've got my. My upper left done. Listen, I think we all have it to a degree. It's just hilarious that someone who's had that much work and it's done to the point that it's gotten now where it's to the point now it's like self harm, you know, at this point, it's like you're looking like a child's toy. Stop it. Stop doing this to yourself in the name of insecurity.
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You know, people who live in glass med spas shouldn't throw Restylane.
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It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Grappens commercial.
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A
Anyway, they are. They. They're walking around Santorini. They come around a corner where there's this really scenic view where you can see across the island. It's like this beautiful shot. The. The lights are coming on and everything. And Heather decides that she's gonna cry because she knows it'll make a nice moment. And Angie's like, heather's the friend that you want to take on a trip because she values the moment and she feels it so deeply and she is so grateful and she just takes it in. Meanwhile, Heather's like, there's the guy with the flamingo.
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B
I see him down there.
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I.
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That guy.
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B
No, you didn't.
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She's just so grateful and she just takes it in. And that's what I wanted for everyone. That's what I wanted for Lisa. Oh, yeah, you really wanted this nice moment for Lisa. Then why are you on her ass every scene of every episode? I wouldn't come early if I was Lisa either. I'd stay nice and cuddled up with my glam girl too. You guys are relentless. Fight with somebody else.
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A
And also, don't forget her glam girls from Athens. So pretty cool. Yeah. So then Meredith Bronwyn and Mary are shopping, and Mary's like, meredith, Meredith, I feel like you and Heather have hit a rough spot. Well, I don't know. I mean, I have to presume everything's fine. I mean, I. Because I called her after last week and she didn't call me back. So if she wanted to talk, I would think she Would call me back. And I said something to her also today, but she hasn't seemed to want to do that. So it's okay. Like, if she doesn't want to address it, that's fine. We can move on. But as far as I can tell, I'm kind of a bucket shaped face trying to reach out to another bucket shaped face. And she's acting very square face at the moment, if you know what I'm saying.
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And she's like, you need to be vulnerable and talk to each other. And so then we go to Heather and Whitney and Angie and Brittany, and Lisa comes up and she's like, oh, my God, look at you guys. Hi. Hi.
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How are you?
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Love that. Guess what? I'm basically Greek now. I am Greek. I've been all over Greece. It was amazing. Did you guys see the sunset? Look, I took selfies in the sunset. And it's so funny because while they were showing the ladies, like, oh, my God, we're bonding. And leaving is so shallow. Not bonding at all. It kept cutting to Lisa walking by herself, just taking selfies at the sunset or like taking selfies in the store, just having the best time of her life.
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I can't figure Lisa out. Like, what really matters to you? The glam and the material things or your friendships? I mean, you guys are all shopping right now. I don't know if you miss. You're, like, angry that Lisa's missing out on shopping in Santorinia. Like, I can't believe she cares about material things more than us as we chop material things. Yeah, exactly.
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I love that I got to explore parts of Santorini by myself because I found some killer Birkenstocks and there wasn't any negativity. You know what? I love a little me time. And it's great because the burks were, like, the only style that's ever been sold of this particular Burke. So I'm already. I've already got burks that are better than everyone else's burks. My burks are great.
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I love her Santorini Birkin stocks. So Lisa is like, yeah, by the way, like, look, I use this as, like, glam inspo. Like, look at this. Is this nice? Look, it's me. It's a selfie of me. Whitney's. Like, is that your wallpaper? Yeah, make it my wallpaper so we can keep seeing it. Isn't that great?
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Of course she has a selfie of.
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Herself as her wallpaper. Well, did you see any. Meet any beautiful views? Yes, I did. I just showed it to you. It's on my wallpaper, stupid. So Angie's like, I mean, the fact that she would be what, two, three hours late and then be in sunglasses, that's just odds.
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I mean, I do think that sucks. I don't, I don't like that Lisa showed up three hours later like a shooting. And also being with your friends like that is like, I think that you, I understand wanting to have alone time, but you use the designated time for your alone time. I don't know. I think three hours later, too late.
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I do that. I think three hours where I'm like, okay, I'll see you later. I'm going to do this other thing and then I meet up with my friends later and no one, no one yet has had a fit about it.
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I feel like on, on like a group trip, if I say, guys, I'm going to do my own thing, it's like, fine. I kind of feel like on a Real Housewives show just being like, I'm going to go. I don't know. I, I don't know. I think if you, if you're going to be like, I'll meet up with you and then you're three hours later. I don't know. I find that, that like, that's like o disrespectful versus like, hey guys, I'm just going to do my own thing for this afternoon cuz I need some downtime. I'm like, sure, do it, but don't make me feel like you're showing up like 20 minutes later but you're just going to be three hours later, you know?
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Well, if it was three hours, cuz first I said two, then it became three. It's you know, Salt Lake City timing.
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I'm just saying.
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Well, I think she was saying, I'm going to go to dinner, I'll meet you at dinner. So she met them at dinner. So look, I just feel like they're all ganging up all the time. So I'm just going to give levity because they're not at all ever. It's like constant. It's just constant. So I'm like, just do what you want. I don't blame you.
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A
I, you know what it is? I, I, I love when someone is like realistic with me about when they're gonna meet up with me. And if someone says, I'll meet you out there, if I'm like excited, like if I'm like, oh my God, let's all do this thing together, if I've arranged something for us all to together and someone says, I'll catch up with you. And then they don't show up for three hours or not at all. Like, that bothers me. It really does. And it doesn't take away from the fact that, like, I think there's a way to be like, I want to have. I'm just going to do my own thing. Like, I'm totally fine if someone says, I want to do my own thing, but don't let me think that you're going to be participating in the thing that I like, the thing that I'm arranging.
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B
Did she.
- [26:01]
A
And then do your own thing? Yeah, I think she did. I think she was like, I'll. I'll join you guys. Or like, if. If. If Angie said, we're going to meet at 6:45, and she says, okay, sure. But then she has no intention of it. Like, I don't like that personally.
- [26:16]
B
Oh, okay. So they go up.
- [26:18]
A
Did we see Lisa say that? She was. What did Lisa say?
- [26:22]
B
Nothing. She was in glam. She's like, bye. Okay, bye. They're like, we're leaving you. And she said, okay, bye.
- [26:29]
I don't know. I don't think it's that deep, but I can see where. I can see where you're coming from, how that would get annoying.
- [26:35]
A
Well, as someone who has been flaked around a lot by people in my life, I don't. It's a trigger for me.
- [26:40]
B
Okay, well, you're. You're allowed to be triggered. Okay. So then they go up to go to dinner, and Meredith is like, oh, well, Angie just wants to make sure we stay skinny.
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That's why we're climbing up this big hill to go have dinner. Easy breezy, beautiful blazer.
- [26:59]
A
Thank God for the blazer. So then.
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We see that Meredith has also bought a bracelet for Heather as a peace offering. This box, it's a necklace.
- [27:11]
B
You know what? It's scary because we all know what this means. This is an evil eye necklace. And anybody who watches Real Housewives of Orange county knows how dramatic this actually is.
- [27:20]
A
So this is what I was confused about, because we see in the flashback that she's getting, like, the evil eye thing, but then when she gives it to Heather, there's no talk about evil eye. And in fact, Heather's like, it's an H. So I wonder if she changed it up before she purchased.
- [27:36]
B
Yeah, maybe One of the producers was like, we've seen Orange County. Don't do it. So she's like, okay, I'll get her an age instead for hassle.
- [27:47]
A
Hassle for easy, easy. Hubrizy. A blazer.
- [27:52]
B
So hussy.
- [27:56]
A
For how do you know how loud I was on the airplane?
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B
And so Mary's like, it's a peace offering, Heather. And Heather's like, well, should I wait till everyone's here? Can I open it now? It's an age. And Bronwyn's like, yep, She's. She's trying to make up with you, Heather. That's what she's trying to do. And she goes, well, it's not gonna work, but it is a wonderful gesture.
- [28:20]
A
I feel like she's treating me like the woman who's been cheated on. Just give me a few gifts without being specific about what it's about, and we're going back to normal.
- [28:31]
B
Okay? So the waiter comes around and gives everyone a blanket, and they're like, oh, thank you for the play. I like that Meredith didn't take it. She's like, no, thank you. My outfit is pre chosen by Chloe. Thank you very much.
- [28:44]
A
I thank you for the offer of the beautiful blanket, but as you can see, I already have a blazer that's shielding me from the wind. Thank you very much.
- [28:52]
B
Oh, look at Lisa just getting all the love here in Greece. The Greeks are taking such good care of her. These are Greek blankets. Aren't they different than normal blankets? There's just so much more to see. Can you be on time tomorrow, Lisa? And she's like, okay, I can be on time tomorrow. I guess.
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A
I didn't know there were mosquitoes in Greece. And there's a big one across from me. I just want to smack it.
- [29:19]
Mosquito reference has nothing to do with anything. No one was talking about mosquitoes. But, like, it's kind of a funny joke if you think about it, right?
- [29:25]
B
Oh, so they eat in silence because they know it's fighting time. So they're all just. Bronwyn, especially, is just looking around like, okay, who's gonna fight? Please don't make it be me. Please don't make it be me. And so Mary is like, okay, well, Heather came and asked me to do this. So Meredith and Heather gay. Are you guys okay? You guys should talk. Do it now. Do it before appetizers. Just go fight.
- [29:47]
A
Heather's like, well, when I open my necklace and I put it on, which I love, Meredith. Bronwyn kept saying, it's a peace offering from Meredith. I did say that. Yep. Yep, I did say that. Well, you seem very. I. I don't want to use the wrong words, but tense with me. And I said, well, I'LL bring her a gift as a peace offering. Because if I do seem to remember, they gave many gifts in the feature film Crazy Rich Asians, which I did watch. And I think that's a nice thing. And if you don't think it's nice, then don't keep it. But it's up to you. I mean, I was just trying to be a nice person because I think we can all agree me, I'm a nice person on airplanes and on land.
- [30:28]
B
I love when Meredith does like her victim shrug thing where she's like, well, hands up. I was just trying to be nice. If you don't want it, you don't want to keep it. I'm just trying to be nice.
- [30:41]
A
You can, you can leave it.
- [30:44]
B
So Heather's like, well, first of all, I'm not rejecting the gift. I'm just saying let's talk about it first. Well, I wasn't looking to do it as a group. Heather and Andrew like, well, we are here and we are Greek. And Meredith's like, well, I called you and I reached out again this morning, so shrugging, hands off, I did everything that I could do.
- [31:08]
A
She wants to start this with the group to rile people up to start on me again. And it's clear that Heather doesn't have respect for our friendship.
- [31:17]
So she just stays calm.
- [31:19]
B
I was, she's definitely doing the wet.
- [31:21]
A
She's doing the, like, I'm just being a good friend, being innocent. Good friend, good, innocent. Meredith, she's totally doing that thing like, well, you know, I, you know, I tried to buy her a yacht and she wouldn't accept it. So what else can I do?
- [31:36]
B
I actually think Meredith is being fair here. I mean, she's. She tried to call Heather. Heather wouldn't call her back. Then she tried to talk to Heather, get time alone with Heather. Heather wouldn't give her the alone time. And then Heather's gonna be up here acting like Meredith hasn't even reached out to me. She hasn't even tried to make it ok, which is not true. She has twice. And you've ignored her and so now you're going to try and make her look stupid again in public. So I kind of like that. Meredith came with this attitude and she's like, I'm going to stay calm and the most I'm going to do is bug my eyes and struggle a lot with my hands up.
- [32:09]
A
I don't think Meredith is at fault on this at all, but I just think it's funny because last time she was just like, you all are liars. And here is a peacup. And you, we're going to see if you did drugs now. She's like, well, I just brought you a gift. And, you know, I tried my best. I just love, like, the pivot to, like. Like, I'm gonna be friendly Meredith now. So Meredith is like, well, Heather, it's not something I can address as a group. It's just not. That's when she goes from the shrug and the hands up to the. I'm gonna lean forward and tell you in my best legal expert voice. This is. Unfortunately, we cannot proceed right now. We're gonna have to have a special hearing. So, unfortunately, we can't do this in front of people.
- [32:47]
B
And if you don't use your fork properly, you can leave the table, young lady. She's giving that look like, do you want to push Mommy at dinner?
- [32:58]
A
You assassinated my character after I assassinated your character, and that dejected our history and our friendship.
- [33:06]
B
No, I did not. I did not.
- [33:10]
A
You did. And my loyalty. You dejected my loyalty.
- [33:14]
B
No, I did not.
- [33:18]
A
I'm not sure how to speak to somebody like this. I've never been in a situation where it's just, like, a stone wall of denial. I'm like, jen Shaw.
- [33:28]
New, newly freed.
- [33:29]
B
Jen, your best friend of three years that you stuck up for till the second she was in prison.
- [33:35]
A
That one.
- [33:36]
B
And Meredith is like, that is not true either, Heather. And it's so funny watching her stay calm because you can see under, like, veins popping out. And Heather's like, well, that happened. That happened. You questioned my loyalty while I was trying to get Whitney to call you a drug addict. And she's like, well, I'm saying that my feelings were hurt. Well, my feelings were hurt, too, and I apologize. And you apologize. So I don't know why we're still talking about it.
- [34:06]
A
He was very, very. I was very, very hurt by you calling me a liar. Only I get to call people liars. Well, I did not call you a liar. Well, I felt like you called me a liar. But you know what? Everybody makes mistakes and friendships and, like, you can't, like, constantly hold people to this, like, crazy standard that you don't even hold yourself. And that's, like, exhausting. Are you talking to me, or are you talking to Heather?
- [34:33]
Whoever I'm not going to get in the most trouble with is who I'm talking to.
- [34:36]
B
Yeah, it's, like, a little ridiculous that Heather plays Judge Judy in every situation. She's like, you're the bad one. You did this you're awful, and I'm a better friend to you. And it's like, why the fuck are you judging her so harshly? Why are you peeing on her leg and telling her it's raining?
- [34:53]
A
Everyone preaches, I want good friendships, and I want to be God, and I want people to be good to me, but be good to everybody. Like, practice what you preach. Oh, my God. That was, like, as good as, like, when I said the thing about mosquitoes. Did you guys hear the mosquitoes thing I said was so funny. My Athens girl, she laughed so hard.
- [35:10]
B
So Lisa's like, well, why is it okay for you to express your feelings, but not Meredith? And Heather's like, I'm not just, like, being a yes, yes man anymore. Part of that trust is saying, listen, there's a huge problem. When have you ever been a yes man? You've been doing this the whole time. You just call yourself a yes man, but then you go against everybody and say that you're such a good friend to them as you're ripping them to shreds on national tv.
- [35:31]
A
Lisa's like, listen, I know how you feel. Heather. Wait a second. Can Meredith speak for herself? Yes. Yes. Yes, you speak for her. Yes, you speak for her, Lisa? No, I don't. But, like, you guys have, like. Like, you guys had, like, a miss over there. Like, you guys missed something over there. Okay? You guys had a mess.
- [35:47]
B
Whitney's saying, can Meredith speak for herself? You were literally just in her cabin asking her to go against Lisa for you. And Heather, so quiet over there. And by the way, while this is going on, Whitney is really working on her eyes. She keeps, like, pushing her eyes and, like, putting a napkin in her eyes, trying to muster up some tears. And I was like, what is she doing over there? Which we see soon. So then Heather has a monologue because it's Heather. So she's like, we, I ride hard or die for Meredith from day one. And when she brought up that TikTok, I completely defended you. And then the next morning at breakfast, you came in, guns a blazing, and I said, listen, you're freaking out over a TikTok, and there's much bigger bombs placed in your lap that you've chosen to ignore and look the other way. Okay, so now you're mad because she's mad over the TikTok when she hasn't been mad over other things? Why wouldn't she be mad about a rumor that her husband's fucking around that someone's bringing onto national tv? What bigger bombs are you talking About. And she's like. And then you chose to pick this TikTok as the reason to annihilate your friendship with me. No, you chose this TikTok as the reason to annihilate your friendship with her. It's just frustrating.
- [36:57]
A
Heather has this giant monologue Heather has this giant monologue about, like. And you're. No, you're using it to a n. I feel like you're using as a reason to annihilate your friendship with me, with Whitney, and with Britney, and you are celestial collective about what you have outrage for. So she has this whole big thing where she's, like, sticking the landing, and Meredith just looks at her and just goes, I don't agree with you.
- [37:20]
B
I don't agree with you. So she's like, okay, and if you want to hold a grunge against me over it, then that's fine. That's up to you. But, like, how are you flipping this on me? This isn't on me, Heather. This was something that happened between her and Britney. Britney, let it go. Everybody has let it go except you and Whitney, who will not stop. You will not stop. Let it go. Everybody's let it go but you. She's like, oh, my God. How is this flipping on me? I'm not holding a grudge. I'm not lying about you. You said you misspoke, and I misspoke, and we met in the middle. Well, I would never do that to you when you hurt my feelings the way that you did. I would never just be like, you misspoke. I misspoke. I thought we'd moved on, but apparently you're so petty that you haven't. You haven't.
- [38:11]
A
I thought this was actually exactly how she and Whitney dealt with their fight in season three, but that's okay.
- [38:16]
B
So Lisa actually called you to go hang out and talk about this, so. No, she's not just saying I misspoke. You misspoke. Let's move on. She actually saw that you hadn't moved on and tried to make an effort. Further effort with you, and you refused so that you could have this little breakdown in front of everybody at the table.
- [38:33]
A
Honestly, people need to get crap is on demand because to watch you ranting and raving right now while Bueller's legs behind are stretching and doing some sort of, like, synchronized swimming over your shoulder is, like, the funniest thing of all time. You're like, add another thing about Heather Gay. She's saying this. And then meanwhile, you'll see these two little paws behind your shoulder, like, doing, like, V's and Y's and X's. He knows you're talking about.
- [38:57]
B
Yes, we are talking about you, gorgeous man. You gorgeous creature.
- [39:03]
A
All right, let's land the plane. So Lisa says, heather, I feel like you do things that are hurtful to me, and I don't know why you do them. Because I'm not doing anything to you. Huh? Cry. I'm invested in our friendship. And when you said things like that, that. You said it. Vultures. You know, mean things. Remember when you said mean things? And basically it was Heather saying, like, don't be bitchy. Don't be bitchy. Well, you don't be bitchy. Don't be bitchy. Well, you don't be bitchy either. Oh, I just would never do that to you. I would never do that. It actually hurt my feelings.
- [39:35]
B
So then Whitney. Now we see why Whitney's been working up her big fake tears. Because she acts like she's crying now, and she's like, wow. The bigger thing that we're dancing around is we're protecting something that happened. And I just feel like I see it so clearly. I'm watching my friends fight, and we're all fighting because of the way that you treated Britney on the plane. And I don't know why you can't just say I up. Because I just feel right now. I already did all that. Brittany and I spoke, and we worked it.
- [40:09]
A
Look at the table right now. Look at it. It's a rectangle. Isn't that amazing? A rectangle table. Okay. Do you want it to literally look at the table and the people, too? Look at it. Well, Brittany, did we work it out? Brittany, would you like to say something? So Britney's kind of like.
- [40:26]
B
Well, Brittany's like. I'm not saying. She's just sitting there, like, she's like.
- [40:30]
A
I signed a document that said, we are good. Okay.
- [40:37]
B
So Britain. So Whitney's like, well, what clearly has happened, Meredith, is you messed up, but we're all paying the price. What price are you paying? And she's bringing up every scene. Stop. And she's like, I recognize your behavior. So now she's gonna cry and, like, insinuate that it's a dad thing again because of alcohol. I mean, she's too much to switney. I can't. And what are you having to pay the price for? You're the ones who keep bringing it up. And every day, every scene. So Meredith's like, well, she's been the poster in the Screw from day One, she is the cause of every problem. She projects everything she does onto everybody else over and over again. And we let it go and give her a free pass because she's always on a healing journey.
- [41:21]
A
I don't think you have a problem, but I think you're the problem right now. And Meredith goes. While everyone at this table has done things probably much worse. And on that note, I am going to stand up and move this easy, breezy blazer to a different location.
- [41:41]
B
They're like, wait a minute, Mary, are you. Meredith, are you leaving? Wait, hold on, hold on. And Heather's like, well, I'm obviously in trouble for saying how I really felt. And she's not going to say anything because she wants to support her. And then Whitney makes a scissoring gesture. Like, yeah, because they're, like, scissoring.
- [42:00]
A
And then Brittany giggles at it. She's like, oh, my God, that was so funny. So. But now they're gonna reframe everything that just happened, and I'm gonna end up apologizing again for ever having an opinion. I feel worse now than I did when I came to dinner because I've been victimized by Mormonism and Meredith. Ridiculous.
- [42:20]
B
So she's like, yeah, you know, I just. This reminds me of where I'm at in rank of, like, importance. Oh, God. Poor, insecure Heather Gay. Here's where you're at. You're at a very high level of annoying. Get something else to talk about. None of this even involved you.
- [42:38]
A
Yeah. So that's where it ends. The first episode of the Greek trip. And I'm sure this fight will be revisited about 10 more times before truly.
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B
Oh, my God. Meredith on a plane. All right, everybody, thanks so much for being here. This has been a good time. We will be back.
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Are we doing. Oh, yeah, we'll definitely be back next week. Look at me, already making it Christmas break. I'm like, well, see you later. Seeing the new year, everybody. Goodbye.
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A
I wouldn't mind, guys. We're off for the rest of the month.
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B
But no, that is not the case. We will be back next week, and we'll be back the rest of the week with more recaps. We sure love you guys. Thanks for being here. Bye.
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