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Welcome to a moment of Zen with Virgin Voyages. As you know, the Real Housewives of Miami took a trip on a beautiful Virgin Voyages cruise this season.
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But everyone should get a chance to do that. You, me, and the ladies of Salt Lake City.
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We're joining Heather and Bronwyn from the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City as they stretch out at one of our complimentary group fitness classes. That's right. At Virgin Voyages, everything from Wi fi to wellness is included in your fare.
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No hidden fees, just pure relaxation and rejuvenation. Whether you're sailing to the Caribbean or the Mediterranean, you'll find plenty of ways to unwind. Now, let's see how Heather and Bronwyn are balancing their chakras. Mm.
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Mm. Wow.
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Wow. Down, dog. Okay. Okay, Heather, I'm so glad we're taking this yoga class together.
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As a sisterhood, it is our duty to not just show up for a downward dog, but be an upward prediction presence for all of each other.
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Okay, touch. Touch your toes. Okay, we're going down. We're going down. Okay. It's a little hard to do this. Could someone have told me not to wear an inflatable dinosaur today? Because that's making this a little bit difficult to reach my. My toes.
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You know, as. As a sisterhood, we can come together and we can take this inflatable thing off of you. But just know that when we do this, we do this as a sisterhood together. And furthermore, I have written three books. Just want to throw that in there.
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What are you saying, Heather? What are you saying? Are you saying you would prefer me without my dinosaur costume? Well, I'm sorry, but I use these because I have trauma, and I'm just trying to make my husband happy at an airport. Well, excuse me for living, Heather.
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I'm just trying to relax with my yoga. So if anyone doesn't mind, I will be distributing some copies of Bad Mormon to everyone to use as yoga blocks. Okay? Please enjoy.
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Oh, so now I'm a bad Mormon. Now I'm a bad Mormon. Oh, that's great. That's great. Oh, I suppose I'm a fraud and a con as well. Okay. Okay, great. Oh, what are you leaking? What are you leaking, Heather? Are you leaking my information?
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I am doing nothing of the sort. This is a sisterhood, and really, all that I am concerned of is making sure I can stand on one leg in this beautiful yoga class. And I'm just going to meditate.
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Receipts, proof, timeline, screenshots, everything.
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Get me out of this thing.
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Who cares what happens when there's so much that.
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Well, hello and welcome to Watch what crappens. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one, guys, it's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one. Okay, it's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show. Okay, let's go back to the scene. So she's like, I'm best known for my never ending coffee cup, rich as fuck, which helps women redefine their relationship with money and manifest stuff when it inadvertently has given me the nickname the Money Queen. You call yourself the Money Queen.
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I know your boyfriend gave you that. Your boyfriend gave me that on Santa Monica Boulevard. He's like, hey, money queen. Oh my God, he's the one.
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So she's like, what are you guys doing this weekend? And so it's like, well, we're going to a party. It's a small party. It's at my friend, my friend's house, Jennifer Tilly. Okay? It's the boho cheek sitting a chair party. She just sits in chairs. Just what she does. So look, it's Sip and Dr.
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Draw.
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Okay? You ever heard of that? Manifesty fest.
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This is the first time we've actually just seen sit and draw. Normally we see the painting, but this time they're like, we are not getting paint on our clothing. It'll be a colored pencils. That's it. So Amanda's like, so where are you from? She's like, augusta, Georgia. You know? Oh, my God, I'm from Sand Springs, Oklahoma. She says it like, oh, my God. So close. And you see something, be like, those places are not close to each other whatsoever.
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You are not going to compare Georgia to Oklahoma.
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Okay?
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That's one thing we're not going to do today. Missy. Missy Manifesto. Okay.
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Yeah.
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And she's like, well, yeah, yeah. Sand Springs, though. You've heard of it, right? She's like, oh, stop it. I only know Oklahoma when you stop to get gas there. And Amanda's like, what? Oh, right, because it's in the middle. Like, you stop in the plane between Oklahoma. Okay, I get it.
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Sutton's like, yeah, I'm. Because she's clearly. Amanda's trying to do a. We're both from the south or we're like, we're in the south or red state or trying to do some sort of, like, alliance Southern. Yeah. And sun's like, yeah, but I mean, the posh south. And you're in the flyover Exxon for airplane South.
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Maybe you can find someone who's having a painting party that's from Missouri or something. Okay.
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Hold on. I'm gonna go talk to Kyle, and then I'm gonna come and talk to you for one second and then go back to talking to Kyle. We call that stopover. That's. That's what your state is.
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But no one's really nice to Amanda at first, which cracks me up. I think Kyle's like, this, who tore up my floors Is coming on the show. You guys. What are we gonna do? Well, we'll shame her for only getting gas where she comes from. I got your back, bitch. I got your back.
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Well, remember when Vicki Gunvalson got into so much trouble for calling Oklahoma a flyover state? She's like, why would I go there? Like, why would I go. Why'd be had to go to Oklahoma? You just fly over it. I just look down on it. Like, you just fly over it. Why would you ever stop there? And everyone got so mad at her.
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So now we go to Bose's house, and it's a sweet scene with her daughter Lael. She's like, where's my brush? And Lael has it. Okay, let's have a hairdoing scene. So they talk about how Bose wants to be proposed to or whatever, and they talk about boys and stuff.
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Lael wants Keely to ask her first before he proposes to Bose. So that's. That's what she wants. And Bose Is saying how the three of them have developed a really sweet little relationship together. And, you know, and she's. And she's like, I love that you want him to ask me your permission. Like, oh, you're my dad. That's great. And she's really proud of Lael for being like, I want. I'm proud of her for taking this stance, but I really hope the answer is yes, because if she says no, mama's not gonna be happy.
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Yeah. Could you imagine? I want him to ask my permission so I can say no. And she's like, well, just make sure before he proposes that I've gotten my nails done. They need to be fresh within the past couple of days, so it's pretty cute. And then we go over to Erica's, and she's getting glam, and I just. It cracks me up how Erica's energy is just so different when she's around the gays. When she's around the other women, she's.
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Like, hello, I'm doing fine. Thank you very much. Going through a traumatic time. And when she's with the gays, like, oh, yeah, wow.
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Like, everything about her is just so different.
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She's like, we're going to Tilly's house, and we're gonna paint a draw. You know, I can't do that shit. Come on, gays. What do I.
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He's like, oh, my God. Are you gonna have to, like, abstract. Have it, like, an abstract approach to it? And they all crack up. Like, it's the funniest thing.
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Like, oh, yeah. Abstract drawing. That's hilarious.
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So now at Rachel's house, she's in her glam, and the guy's like. Or whoever the makeup artist is is like, will there be, like, a naked man that you're drawing? She's like, oh, my God, I hope not. Like, I die, because, like, if it's Raj. Oh, my God, if it's Raj naked, I'll literally die. I'll be, like, paralyzed. I. I can't. I definitely can't. I'm, like, not gonna draw that. Like, what is this? Like, the Titanic?
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Yeah. Like, what is this, the Titanic? I'm literally frozen to death underwater. Like, I can't. Yeah. So Dorit's house, she's like, I'm bringing vintage McQueen. And her stylist is like, please don't wear that little boo boo. Please. Like, who? Why don't you like me? It's like, that's the only way to keep PK close to you. Dorit, just let it go. We see A shot of it. And it does look like pk.
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Yeah. I am so excited for a few years from now when people look back at the Labubu craze and just like laugh at all the wealthy people who put these stupid things on her other Hermes bags.
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I hope that whoever invented those comes on Real House of Beverly Hills. Like, I'm the queen of money. I got a bunch of idiots to buy ugly stuffed animals for like a thousand dollars. Now I'm rich as hell.
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Like, it's one thing, like, I get like toy fads. Like, that's like, I get it. But it's just so funny that. That these people are so status driven that they are like, I am going to attach this stuffed goblin onto my Hermes bag. It's like this little, little pointy teeth and like a, like a face. Like, it's like a. Where's the wild. Where the wild things are. It's like a Maurice Sendat, like, stuffed plushie and people just attaching it to their Hermes bags. It's like the funniest concept. And you know, when everyone looks back at their pictures of like, this was me and my peak and look at the glamorous life island. It's like, why do you have that strange thing attached to your bag? It's like, you're not talking about that anymore. Yeah.
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Oh, le boo boo. So now we go over to Jennifer's.
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And she's like, well, I really wanted to have a party, like, to kick off the summer, you know, because I did miss Kyle. Summer, whatever. Party outside doing crafts sore. I don't know what it was, but I know my last party at Caviar Caspia did not turn out so well. So I'm gonna have a drawing party because everybody loves art. So I have a little surprise for the girls. Actually. It's a big surprise.
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It's nice to have her back.
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What a welcome. God. Well, thank God. What a breath of fresh air.
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So her assistant is like, oh, well, there's some caviars.
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What? Oh, God, am I made out of money? Apparently.
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So Erica arrives and Rachel and Jennifer.
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Is like, I've met. I've met Rachel socially and I've gone to some events that she's at and I've had. I'm a little bit in awe of her because she's one of the most famous stylists in Hollywood. So I'm a little bit intimidated by how super cool she is.
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I just would love to have see Rachel have like a face to face with a chunky doll because I feel Like, Rachel would, like, not know what to do. She's like, literally that. That doll is like. It's like, I die. It's not gonna kill me. Like, is that Raj? Is that Kais Kaiser? Are you there?
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Speak to me.
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Guys, I think you could do with, like, pleated pants. Slick. Trying to give advice to Chucky. I'm not against Pugs for men, but maybe, like, a middle. A little more subtlety would work. So she comes in, and then Bose and Sutton come, and Kyle, and then Amanda comes.
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Oh, a stranger is going to come into our midst. Sutton invited her friend Amanda.
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So then Rachel's looking around, and she's like, wow, I think everyone did boho chic, like, really differently, which is her way of being like, you guys all did it wrong.
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Yeah.
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You guys all look like, I'm the expert.
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Everyone else is wearing a potato sack. And she comes in, like, this gold flowy dress. She's like, oh. So I guess we took this directive a little bit differently.
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So Jennifer is like, oh, Amanda, you know what?
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You looked like 1985 Chanel, where you had all the Chanel models and motorcycle jackets and the sort of ball gowns. It's a fabulous look.
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She's like, oh, my God, 1985. That was the year that I was born in pretty much the same state as Sudden. That's crazy.
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Oh, 1980. 85. Really?
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And she's like, yeah, 85.
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1985. I was in Hollywood selling sandwiches out of a hamper and 10 cents a sandwich, 25 cents a salad. So I would push the salads because I would make more money. While she was struggling to get out of the womb, I was just struggling, so.
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So then do Reach shows up.
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I like that. They make 1985 sound like the 1910s, not 10 cents a sandwich. What? Sandwiches were not 10 cents in 1985.
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What is this? Dorit shows up, and Kyle's like, hi, Dorit. This is Amanda. She bought my house in Bel Air for me. Yeah. You may have seen her destroying the iconic floors, you know, checkerboard floors. Remember her? Yeah, she's in my house. Yeah, she basically works for me at this point. Point. Yeah, this is her. Yeah, go meet her.
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Oh, well, how many kids do you have, Amunda?
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And she's like, I have four. And Rachel's like, you have four kids? You were, like, just born. She's like, yeah, well, I mean, the older two are my step kids, and they're nine and seven. And Bo goes, oh, so they're his kids? And she goes, well, I'm raising them. They're my stepchildren. She goes, oh, well, I don't know if I like that. I don't know if I like another woman calling my daughter her daughter. There's only one mama, and that's me. Bam. Coming for the step mom. I know, I know. Wow. I don't think that was cool. I mean, what, what do step parents say? Don't they say they're my kids?
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Yeah, I, I don't know. I, I, I don't know. I think some say they're my step kids, and then some will say it's a blended family. I think it depends on how, how long or how intimate the relationship is. Right. Because they're definitely step parents who just refer to their stepchildren as their kids. So I don't know.
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But just, wouldn't it be bitchy if you were like, how many kids do you have? And then she was like, well, I mean, I have two kids, but then, you know, I also have two other kids at my house. Like, I have step kids.
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Yeah, I agree. I think it's like, like, it's like you want to treat all the kids as, like, like they're, there's no difference. And so Bose is, you know, Bo's being like, oh, you mean they're not yours? I was like, oh, I feel like this will be a, this will be an issue going forward.
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It's going to be an issue. Amanda. You see it in Amanda's face. It's like, okay, the first time I'm on camera with them, they diss Oklahoma and call it a place to get gas. And the second time I'm with them, they dis me for saying I'm a mother of stepchildren. So you see, you see the points start tallying in that brain.
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So Jennifer's like, okay, well, the invitation said sip and draw, and we've already been sipping, so now it's to time. Time for the drawing portion, everybody. So let's go outside and look at some penises.
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And then they go outside and guys drop their robes and there's a lot of wieners hanging out. And let me just say, I'm glad we're not painting teeth or cheekbones, because these men were all about the wieners. Otherwise, it would look like a Labubu painting party.
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Yeah, yeah, it was, it was a lot. So make.
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It was a naked Labubu painting party.
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Yeah.
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So Erica's like, well, I'll take a bag of dicks over a bowl of fruit any day. Who cares about still life? I Was married to that for long enough.
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So then I'm still trying to get.
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A divorce from still life.
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They're drawing and Eric is like, oh.
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That one over there is not circumcised. And cars.
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Like, I mean, I've never had a mushroom, but, like, now might be the time to try one.
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So now there's drinks and stuff, and they're all cracking up and be like, oh, my God, penises. We are scandalized. So Amanda's like, so do you guys have a mocktail of some kind I can have? And.
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Because, like, oh, boo, you've gotta drink alcohol. I mean, Alyssa Kyle.
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She'S like, it's not exactly that I don't drink ever. It's just that I prefer not to drink. But I don't know who Erica is. Seth, think she could comment on my not drinking? Or am I going to be shamed for good life choices? Is that her mo? I was like, oh, I love that bitchy response. That was so perfect. I'm gonna be shame for good life choices.
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I'm gonna start making. I'm gonna start making a list of shit that Amanda is going to consider extremely rude. So living in Oklahoma Gas, I'm gonna put. Okay, what was the second thing?
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Stepchildren.
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Stepchildren.
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And then mocktail shaming.
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Mocktail shaming. I think we should start keeping a tally because, you know, this is gonna come up in a fight, and I wanna see how many we get. Like, our bingo card of, like, what is the thing that. She is gonna finally burst her. And then she's gonna list all of these other things.
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So one of the models is. Has taken this pose where he has put, like, his hand on the lower part of his arching his back. And, you know, and Jennifer goes, girl.
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Can we just talk about this pose? He sits on the chair backwards and then sticks his ass all the way out. It's like, is this. Is this a cherry? Boys, what are we painting here? Sir, get. Put your cornhole away.
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So Jennifer's like, I really like your pose. Can you. Can you hold that for a long period of time?
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And he's like, no, it hurts.
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It hurts.
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Amanda was really funny with them. She's like, okay, so wait, I just. Sorry, I just accidentally scrolled. What did she say? Okay. She's like, so what about. She's like, has anyone ever ogled you in a way that made you feel uncomfortable? No. Have you ever gotten a boner? No. Have you ever considered your life choices? No. Have you heard of Oklahoma? Yes. Okay, I will draw your penis Are you a stepchild?
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So they. They, you know, pencils down, hands up. So everyone's showing each other their drawings. They're just laughing. And Erica's like, you can tell who's.
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Not having sex based on these pictures.
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Erica's like, balls dragging like a mile behind the guy.
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Jennifer's like, I definitely do not think that we have unearthed any artistic geniuses. None of these girls are particularly going to be the next Monet.
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So they pick Rachel as the winner. And she's like, wow. Literally just flatlined. So then they go inside to get dessert and catch up. So Jennifer asks Bose how his man is.
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Oh, such a cutie. And Kyle, are you dating now?
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And she's like, what? What?
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Am I being dating? That's crazy. No, I'm not. No. What? Dates. I love dates. The fruit, that is. I'm not a fruit. Wait, that's like, no. Wait, what?
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Huh?
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So Bo's like, yeah, you have to.
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Be such a freak. Every time they ask her, just say, no, not right. Like, I'm. I'm lightly dating, but nobody important right now. Like, why does she have to. She's like, oh, my God. Dating gets this head deer in the headlights look, and then it's like, oh, my God. Why is everybody asking about me? Because you look like you're about to have a heart attack every time they ask you.
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Yeah, she is so unprepared for the nosiest questions that she, by the way, always asks everyone else all the time. So Bose is like, here we go again. Why can't we just get to the heart of the matter? Everybody's seen the pictures. We've heard the rumors. Like, you know, either kill it all together or admit to it. So Kyle's like, dorit, have you gone on any dates?
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And she's like, no, because my husband is too busy torturing me. Just this morning, an entire package of chicken salad arrived at the doorstep. Why does he keep buying it and sending me the bill and then sending me the chicken salad too? It's crazy, the demented games he plays.
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Oh, is he back in LA right now? Because I haven't checked my location today. Oh, yes, he's back in love. He came back after being gone two weeks in Europe. My kids are supposed to go to Florida with their grandparents and they're so excited to going to Florida. But now pk I got a letter today from the lawyer saying PK is gonna blow Kit. What?
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From going. From going.
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Yes. Yes, this is true.
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Just to be mean. God, I love that man. I love that And Dorit's like, yes.
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Just to be mean. And Jagger has been walking around like he's got the weight of the world. Have I mentioned the weight of the world yet today? Weight of the world. I don't see my son anymore. I just see a world and two little feet under it because the world is on top of him. Do you know how heartbreaking that is for a mother? And he's been asking for my. For dad, and. And he's asking for my dad and not his own father. For my father. Saba, just like the hummus. And you know what? Five minutes after him arriving, Jagger came into that. Into, like, the same boy that I've been familiar with. Do you know what that's like for me? And going to sleep every night thinking, my God, how are they going to be affected?
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Gee, I don't even recognize my son anymore. He went from being little sweet jigger to the monopoly man and the go to jail card. It was so sad. But then he heard Saba and he's back to normal, like, okay. And Kyle. So Kyle hugs her, and Sutton's like, well, I'm just breathless watching Dorit crumble in front of everybody. This is good. She's like, this is. The emotions are taking me back. It's like a time machine. I want to cry with her. It's just. It's just heartbreaking, but also really fun. It's like Beaches basically breaks your heart by the end, but you want to watch it over and over again.
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Guys, my kids, they need love and support and just to be around family. And this is the first time I'm seeing the impact of mine and PK's divorce, and it's ripping my heart out of my chest. It just feels like whatever I'm doing is not enough. Some would say he has the weight of the world on him.
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So he just wants to be around family. But, I mean, PK's his dad. Like, isn't the. Like, isn't part of the argument that she doesn't see that he doesn't see the kids? So I guess he's wanting to see the kids. But, like, pk, you're gone all the time, and you were just in Europe for two weeks. They can go to Florida.
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Okay, Exactly. I think the point is, like, yeah, he's the dad, but, like, suddenly. Suddenly he wants to step up to the plate. Right. When she's planned something nice for the kid. And the kids go to Florida with grandpa.
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Yeah.
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And then suddenly PK is going to swoop in. No, like, we all know it's a game. It's manipulative. By the way, I may make fun of Dorit, but, like. And I think I speak for both of us probably that were like, 100% team to read on this.
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Oh, we've said get rid of that man for years.
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Yeah, 110,000%.
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Yeah. I can't wait for PK to go to jail someday. I know it's gonna happen.
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It's gonna happen.
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Oh, it's gonna happen. Although Dorit's pretty full of shit herself, but still. Team Dorito for pk it's time for a commercial. It's time for a grappens comm.
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Well, it's too overwhelming to think about everything. So if the most immediate thing right now is getting your kids to Florida so they can have a good time, let's solve it. Get those children to Florida. The Florida mandate.
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The only show where people are trying to flee to Florida right now.
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I know, right?
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In today's climate, like, oh, let's get to Florida. So, yeah, Dorit's like, yeah, he called up, he spoke to Phoenix, and he said, okay, well, if they're going, then daddy's gonna come to Florida too, and we'll. We'll all stay in a hotel and you'll be with me. And Kyle says, well, maybe by him going, I mean, if you have to meet in the middle. Like, if he wants to go to Florida and stay in a hotel, then, I mean, why can't he do that?
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It's like, I don't think you understand, Coyle. I'm not dealing with someone who's like, oh, let's meet in the middle.
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Yeah, but he's saying, if he's gonna go to Florida and, like, get a hotel, I mean, let him do that. I mean, that's kind of a win. Like, they can go see there and see the grandparents and see him.
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Kyle. Kyle's such a great friend. Sometimes I forget how good of a friend Kyle is until she steps up in moments like these. Gosh, what I would do to have a Kyle in my life.
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Yeah. It's like, but they don't want you, Kyle. It's like, I'm just trying to find a way, like, to be in the middle, like, meet in the middle. She's like, he's doing it to hurt me, Kyle. Okay, like, look, we're not saying. I mean, look, maybe he is, maybe he's not. I don't know. Like, Kyle. I mean, even if you think that, look, I think any reasonable advice would be like, okay, well, the complaint is. Okay. I'm not going to call it reasonable. I would say. I was thinking. Okay, you're. You say the dad doesn't want to see the kids, so he does want to see the kids. If he's offering to go to Florida, that doesn't have to be so. But I don't think the actual advice of it is that terrible, but I.
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Do think it's her tone, right?
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It's. I don't think the advice is that terrible, but you're clearly in a position. You're in a bad position with dorit already because you were cozying up to her husband and kind of taking his side, which appeared to be taking his side over her. And now she's freaking out over this last thing after he hasn't seen the kids for God knows how long. You don't even talk to her anymore, and you're going to try and be friends with her, and this is the way you're going to do it. I mean, whether you're right or you're wrong with your advice, sometimes it's best to just say, how can I support you? You know what I mean? Because this is crazy.
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And the thing is, what Kyle needs to do, which is what the rest of them do, is you can. You can kind of give the same advice, but you do it in a way that's like him. You say, well, then you know what? You know what, Dorit? Then you send those kids to Florida, and if he wants to show up in a hotel, he can do it, and that's his choice. But you send your kids to Florida, which is essentially the same thing. But Kyle. Her tone is more like, well, dorit, let's not be unreasonable here. Let's not be crazy. You don't know if he's trying to hurt you. Like, you're take. You're taking this out of could. Like, out of context, which is so dismissive. And, like, you want your girlfriend to be like him, and if he wants to do this, then him. And it'll be on him. But you keep doing what you do because this is your life and you're an independent lady now. Like, that's the vibe that, like, Dorit wants from her friends and what she deserves. But Kyle's just, like, treating her like an imbecile, which, I mean, Dorit is an imbecile, but you don't want to hear that from your friend.
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Yeah. I mean, wow. And especially when you see it going bad and that she's getting upset to be like, oh, well, Is he doing it to hurt you? Maybe, maybe not. You know? No, no. Like, there's a time you just back down and say, she's really upset. How do I support you? That's it. That's all you need to do here. It's not that hard, especially in front of a group of people. You know what I mean? Like, if you're having a conversation, if you're with a friend who's going through divorce. My sister went through a divorce last year. And so there's a lot of discussion about divorce and like, what's the right way to deal with this? And what's. What's the right way deal with this, you know, without villainizing the guy to the kids. And like, how do we go about this in the best way? And there's advice maybe she didn't want to hear, but there would never be a time where I would be in front of anybody doing that to her. You know what I mean? It's almost like you support your partner in this situation. My sister, you support your friend, always publicly. And if you have anything where maybe you're going a little wrong or maybe you're overreacting, you do it in private. I mean, what the hell? And I shouldn't have to teach a girl this. This like, girl code.
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Yeah, well, don't forget Kyle's kind of having the best divorce in history. So like, like, she leads by example. So, you know.
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And also when you haven't even spoken to her, Kyle, like, that's the other thing. Like, you're coming to this after not even speaking to her since the last season, after you took his side then and you're coming back and you're immediately taking his side again. Like, oh, just.
A
Well, I think in Kyle's mind, she's. She's saying what you really need now is like a cool head and don't leave the worst in your ex because like the. The way to get to healthy co parenting is to actually have. Give people the benefit of the doubt, don't villainize them, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But that's not what. That's not what Dorit wants or needs right now. And I'll just being a shitty friend to do once again as she has been for the past three seasons.
B
So dorit like greed.
A
Yeah. Dorit's like, really?
C
You could actually have the audacity to say, well, maybe and maybe not. Do you know how to.
A
To ever show up?
C
100 ever. I'm broken.
A
What more proof do you need?
C
Little jabs. Little jabs. That's all I get. You have known me almost 10 years, and how many times have you seen me this way?
A
Well, to be fair, like, literally, like every episode.
C
Dorit's like, and then I went to get a yogurt and they were sold out. Could you believe it? They went. There were so much.
B
I said to the tv, like, for four years, what are you talking about? And it's like, sue, if you're going to help me out, put yourself in me shoes. You have a nine year old and a something year old. That girl I'm not sure around there. And they're leaving in 48 hours and you're telling them they're leaving and you're telling them to stay with your daddy. See your daddy?
C
And they're crying and says, begging and saying, no, not pk. He tried to call me a funyun and eat me whole. Please not. Did he? That's what you think I should do, Coyle?
A
And Boo's like, well, you need to let him be the bearer of the bad news. And Amanda's like, yeah, let him either show up or not. Manifest that. I'm putting that on a glass.
B
And Jennifer said, yeah, this was the best advice. If he wants to be the bad guy in this situation and change everything up, then that's great. Let him do it. It's not your responsibility to do it. You're the primary caregiver because he's never there. So you do what you're going to do as the primary caregiver. And then his asking, go ruin their dreams.
A
Absolutely.
C
And Jennifer's like, oh, there's crying and now there's yelling. And this party has really taken a turn for the worse.
B
And Amanda says, well, just prep them. They. They're going with the grandparents and they're staying with them. And then dad might stop by.
C
And Erica's like, yeah, let him bear the responsibility of those children. He's not gonna do it. He won't do it.
B
Come on.
A
Yeah, I'd like to pile on. Please call his bluff. Like, send them to Florida and be like, when you get there, you're gonna love Florida so much. You'll be like, paralyzed. You'll be like, dead. Like, look at that flamingo. That flamingo is dead and you're dead. And we're all dead in Florida together because it's so amazing. And he's not gonna show up. And if he does, it's like one night on the way to, like, San Trope, which, by the way, San Tropez. I die. I love it.
B
So much so everybody. Dorit's furious. She's just yelled at Kyle and everybody's like, okay. And Kyle just gets up and she's like, yeah, I don't want to talk about this. I don't can talk about that situation anymore. And walks away. And Jennifer's just like, okay, well, I.
C
Guess another party's over. Another successful party. I would like to thank all the penises for coming, whatever.
B
And you just see that one of the guys still out in the back swimming in the pool, kid, like, doing butterflies angels.
A
So Kyle, of course, makes herself the victim in this. She's like, dorit responds differently to me whenever I make a suggestion versus the other ladies. But, like, the other women have never met PK and whatever Dorit says, they just say yes. Like, what an asshole. What a narcissist. I can't help that I have, like, met this person, have had experiences with this person and see him in a different light. That has nothing to do with you being a good girlfriend. Like, we've all met people who we've liked, and then our primary friend breaks up with them. And you take your friend's side. Sorry, that's just what you do.
B
Yeah. Stupid Kyle. So now we go to Kyle and Erica over at Kyle's house for the Kyle sat the Kyle pitty scene. So Erica comes over. Who really is who you want when you want to talk about something emotional.
C
You know what?
B
Get Erica. Get Erica over here immediately. So they sit outside in rocking chairs, and Kyle's wearing, like, pilot glasses, but clear. And she's like, so, you know, go ahead, Ben. What?
A
Oh, I just said I liked them. That's it. I just added an editorial comment.
B
Yeah, so like, I was telling her, like, you know, about guys taking off their robes, and she was like, so you had to draw a wiener? And I was like, it's been a long time since I've seen any, so.
C
Huh. Well, you're right, it has been. But that can all change now that you're single. So there you go. Am I setting you up to discuss anything now?
B
I'm just so sick of people asking about my dating life. You know, like, Erica, like, if you were seeing someone that you cared about very much, that specifically says, you know, like, please, like, you know, I'm not part of this group. And, you know, like, be respectful. Like, would you betray that person just because people are curious?
A
She was literally married to that person. Did you not watch your own show, Kyle?
C
Erica's like, I will protect that person for sure.
A
She's Like, Well, I mean, like, I've always told everybody just to be honest, and I'm always an honest person, you know, And I'm not a liar. But, you know, I don't know what people want from me. I'm single now. Okay. Like, you know, I was just. I was seeing someone who I cared about very much. But.
B
So this is the other thing. She's like, well, you know. You know, I'm not a part this. If you were seeing somebody that you cared very much about, that says to me that she's still with this person and she can't talk about it. But then she's like, well, but then we broke up, I guess. So from this, we're taking that she was seeing Morgan. Morgan didn't want to be out of the closet, so Kyle had to keep it in the closet. And then Morgan, date Morgan dumped her anyway because she's on a show, I think.
A
No, Morgan was out of the closet. I think it was that Morgan was uncomfortable with being thrust into the spotlight or maybe didn't anticipate it.
B
Really. No. Yeah, she's not. She's not gay or bi. She's just. She doesn't. She refuses to talk about it in her own interviews and stuff. I think the last time she ever talked about a relationship was a boyfriend who's in her band. He's, like, one of the guys in her band, and they used to be in a relationship, and that ended, and that was when she was younger. So she hasn't talked about it. Yeah, she doesn't talk about it. So, yeah, she's closeted. That's what Kyle says. Like, I'm dating a. I'm dating a closeted person, and they don't want to be out of the closet, and so shouldn't I respect that? That.
A
I mean, that does. In my mind, that does add, like, a wrench into all my previous pontificating. Because you don't want to out someone. Yeah, that's a. That's a. That's a real humdinger.
B
Change what I was saying, because, I mean, I already knew that. So to me, it's still the same thing. It's like, okay, but you're. You're the one who doesn't want to talk about it. But you still brought it on TV and then did that video where you were, like, in a bathtub and making out with Kyle and then doing all that. So, like, I get it, but it's like, you're having fun with the hinting about it, but you don't want to talk about it, but this is like a reality show where you talk about things, so.
A
Yeah, I mean, well, it affects what I said before when I was like, wow, she can't. Kyle can't even say that she's, like, in a relationship with a woman. Okay, I understand that. I understand not wanting to out someone, and I think that's. That's. That's fine. But I. I'm. I'm surprised. I was. I thought. I. I always thought Morgan Wade was an out and proud lesbian and not realize that she is actually, like, we don't know what her sexuality is.
B
Oh, yeah, yeah. She's still closeted. So she says that when she was married, when she was separating from Mo.
A
You just said she's still closeted.
B
She is.
A
No, it's funny because it's like, we're not gonna out anyone. We're not gonna. She's still closeted because that's.
B
That's what's talking about.
A
That's.
B
That's what's so ridiculous about this whole thing. It's like, oh, my God, you guys. We can't talk about Morgan's being gay, but we all know that she is at least bi. But we can't say that. Like, it has to be. It's like this. It's like being in the. Being out in the clock. It's like being out of the closet but not having to suffer the repercussions of it in some way. It's like. Okay, I don't know how to explain it, but obviously she's talking about Morgan, so she still is talking about this relationship. Like, everyone's not stupid. They know we all know what she's talking about. But by not saying Morgan, she technically didn't out her. So it's okay.
A
It's like, what is this?
B
You're already talking about it.
A
No, I'm just laughing at the idea of, like, being, you know, like, respectful. Being like, hey, it's. It's not up to us to out someone, and everyone's on their own journey, so we are not going to speculate on someone's sexuality because she's still closeted. Well, I know closet is basically saying, like, we know what you are, you know?
B
Well, because she's saying it because it's on the show. It's just how they're presenting it. And that's what I was saying at the beginning. Normally, my stance is like, we shouldn't out people. You know, Like, I go with that stance. That's like a pretty normal stance in our community. But this case is different because they themselves have presented it differently. And now it's this big word salad that we're all supposed to say so that you don't actually suffer the repercussions, even though you guys are the ones who did it. And you guys are also making it sound like being gay is this huge villainous. It's becoming worse. In other words, like, you not talking about it is making it worse for everybody involved.
A
Like, at this point, just for fuck's.
B
Sake, just say we dated, but we don't want to talk about it because, like, at this point, you're just making us all do somersaults over your stupid decisions. I know.
A
I will also say, like, if you. If you happen to be someone who is in the closet and you decide to date a reality star, maybe don't do that if you're still.
B
You're not going to be in the closet anymore.
A
I respect someone, like, coming out on their own terms or even never coming out at all. But, like, also, like, you know, consider these things. If you want to stay in the.
B
Closet, maybe don't make, like, videos with you where it's about.
A
You know, just. Just. Just consider. Consider these options.
B
Don't do scenes where you're, like, feeding each other on camera and giggling with your arms around each other. Like, if you're. If you're not worried about it. But yeah, so she says, since separating from Mo, she was in a relationship. And she was. And by the way, it was before separating from. Just to correct the record. And she's like, and I was at a very vulnerable place. And her. She was at a very vulnerable place, and she fell really hard. And, you know, she's in love with somebody. She wants to share that because she's an open person, but it doesn't mean the person she's with feels the same way. So I'm guessing what happens, all my judgment aside, I'm guessing what happens, she starts. She starts DMing this chick on Instagram. They start hanging out. They start flirting. They start maybe hooking up now and then. And it was a fun, flirty thing, like, oh, there's all these rumors about us now let's make this music video just making fun of the rumors, because that would be fun. And then it backfires to where everyone's like, oh, my God, Morgan's a lesbian. And then it has to become this big PR thing because she's in country music. And then it becomes this nightmare for her. And. And then it's like, okay, well, let's just not talk about it anymore, which didn't work because that was a whole year of people questioning it. And so, I mean, I get how it would be a conundrum for Kyle.
A
Yeah, 100%. And that's why it, like, throws a wrench into everything that I was thinking and saying earlier, because before I was thinking that Kyle was in a relationship with an out person. And so her being, like, cagey, like, did not really make sense. But if her coming out then makes. Forces someone else out, that is a much more delicate situation. So I have to, like, I have to, like, go back into. Into my fortress of solitude and consider my stance on this, because I think it's actually. It's more. It's more complex than like a sort of like a flippant, off the cuff, hot take, you know, deserves. Or. Or I should say not deserves, but, like, then it deserves more than like an off the take, off the cuff take. But I'm like, I'm clearly, like, so surprised about this. Like, I really cannot believe it. Anyway, so Kyle is going and she's saying. She's like, all the speculation, all the talking is what ultimately ended it. And I could have weathered the storm, but this is not for everyone. I'm like, well, yeah, the speculation. Yeah. I guess what bothers me is I hate how she turns it on us. Like, we destroyed this thing that she had.
B
That's what's making me crazy. Like, stop making me feel bad that you did this. You did it. I don't care if you're gay. I literally don't care. I mean, if Kyle came out and Morgan came out, I would be rooting for both of them. Even though Kyle makes me crazy. Like, I would. I think that. That, that would be ballsy. The way you're doing it is not ballsy. And it's not like you have a responsibility to come out and all that stuff. But you're the one who set this up, and now you're making us feel bad about it. And that's. I just don't like that. Like, stop criminalizing everybody else. You guys did this to yourself. Now just proud already. And stop. And if country music is going to be that way, it's too late. You can't put the toothpaste back in the T. Okay? So country music to the off and get on with your life. This is to. Don't live in fear like this. It's crazy.
A
And stop trying to appease a community that you are think will not accept you. Because, you know, like, that's no way to live either. So Kyle is like. She's like, well, I don't understand. It's like people think they're. Oh, they're owed an answer, and if it was only me, I would give all the answers that they want. But it's just like, not only about me, just.
C
Well, there are two people here, not just one person.
A
Thank you, Erica, for half listening to whatever Kyle's saying and giving that very perfunctory amount of advice.
B
Yeah. But also to what Kyle's saying. You. You've got a choice to make. You're either gonna go for the love or you're gonna go for the. For the. And I'm not saying, like, you should do it over someone you're just dating. Like, I'm not saying she should have done this years ago, but if it's to the point now where you can't be a reality star because you can't talk about your life or you can't be with like, the love of your life, like, choose one. You know, just choose. Or maybe she did and that's why she's sad. Yeah.
A
But Kyle is the one who's often pressed people for answers for years and years and years. And now she's like, people want answers and sometimes there just aren't answers. I'm like, well, that's what's also frustrating because you're being inconsistent with us. So Erica's saying, imagine getting out of.
C
Close to a 30 year marriage, unexpectedly fall in love with someone, but you can't talk about that love because you decided to put it out in front.
A
Of everyone, but you can't talk about it.
C
That's a really hard place to be. Even though this relationship is over, the women are still going to question cards. She addresses it once and for all and clears everything up.
B
So Kyle's like, I mean, if this person weren't so afraid of public scrutiny and life under a microscope. And Erica's like, well, when you love.
C
Someone and you're projecting someone, it sucks because you can't be free.
B
And she says that until she says, Kyle is the most honest with herself she's ever been and she's open and understanding and finally willing to be vulnerable.
C
You're in the rock and the hot place, Kyle.
A
I don't really know what to say in these things. I'm just gonna kind of just say something.
C
That's the way the cookie crumbles. No soliciting. I read that one on the door once. I really like that.
A
Which means wet floor.
B
Yeah. So I don't know. So this was the coming out of coming out as being in the closet episode, I guess is what we can call it. I'm out of the closet about being in the closet. Where's my float?
A
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Podcast: Watch What Crappens
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: December 12, 2025
Episode Description: Ben and Ronnie dissect, lampoon, and lovingly mock episode 2 of The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season 15. The ladies hit up Jennifer Tilly’s “Sip & Draw” party, Dorit reveals more about her tense split from PK, Sutton introduces new friend Amanda, and Kyle dances around questions about her rumored relationship — all with the sharp banter and affectionate sarcasm fans expect from Watch What Crappens.
This episode continues the recap of RHOBH S15E02, focusing on the ladies’ boho-chic “Sip & Draw” party (with, yes, naked models), ongoing adjustments to new cast member Amanda, and the emotional fallout of Dorit’s divorce from PK. Kyle is in the hot seat regarding her personal life and the speculation around her (potential) relationship with Morgan Wade, and the hosts dig deep into the show’s group dynamics, calling out awkward faux pas, humor, and “classic Housewives” moments.
Jennifer Tilly’s Party: The hosts delight in the absurdity of a Beverly Hills “draw the naked man” event. Each cast member’s interpretation of “boho-chic” is (naturally) critiqued.
Amanda’s Introduction: Sutton’s new friend Amanda, who also bought Kyle’s old house, is thrown into the lion’s den and is quickly “sized up” and gently dismissed by the others.
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Ben and Ronnie remind listeners to check out extra content, hint at ongoing drama, and wrap with their trademark sponsor shoutouts — skipping ad reads and outro banter as requested.