Ben Mandelker (3:37)

Watch what crap. Watch what happen. Who cares what happens when there's so much crap. Hello and welcome to Watch what Happens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today, the one and only Ronnie Caram. Hi Ronnie, how are you?

Brandy (4:05)

Hi how are you buddy?

Ben Mandelker (4:08)

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Brandy (5:12)

I sure am. Let's do her, buddy.

Ben Mandelker (5:17)

So this episode is called the Players Ball. It's about parties. It's about. I got worried. I have to say, I got worried halfway through because we spent 15 minutes at Contessa's party where nothing was happening. And I was like, oh, no. Marriage of medicine is falling in. Falling into some bad patterns. But then it sort of like pulled out the plane, like, lifted its nose and went back up into the sky and. And we had a really good episode. But for a moment there, I was like, okay, we're spending five minutes watching people arrive at the party and they all get funny little names. And now we're spending another five minutes watching everyone comment on everyone's outfits at the party and then talking about what it was like in the 70s. I was like, why are we still at this party? Nothing is happening. But. But the episode was actually a really good one, despite all that.

Brandy (6:00)

Never trust a party thrown in like a Marriott meeting room. Like a conference. No, that was weird. Like, oh, my God, this huge budget party. Welcome to the, you know, best Western in conference room with.

Ben Mandelker (6:16)

It was such a thing. She spent so much money on this elaborate balloon wall, which looked great, but then the whole thing was like, blatantly some business hotel conference room. Like, there's the carpeting. You could see those walls. There was like. It just. Nothing looked good. It didn't look like. It wasn't, like, immersive. Like, why are you not at a club? Or something like that? It was such a strange choice for a party.

Brandy (6:44)

Yeah. So we start off with Heavenly. And Heavenly's reminding us that no matter what you might have heard lately, her son doesn't talk to her. Etc, she is a good parent. And she's talking in her baby voice and she's talking to her son and she's like, am I going to get some grandkids, baby? Am I going to get some grandkids? And he's like, well, to be honest with you, Mama, I don't want to get this the wrong way, but I don't want, like. Like a lot of girls. She's like, no, get one good one for you, like your mama. Just get. Just get a good one like your mama.

Ben Mandelker (7:16)

No, it takes one girl. One good girl.

Brandy (7:18)

You need.

Ben Mandelker (7:19)

That's all you need. He's like, no, but I'm trying to. What I'm trying to say is I don't really like a lot of girls.

Brandy (7:25)

I don't want to hear any more of what you're trying to say, just get one girl and give me a grandson. Thank you very much. You're not gonna come out while I am running for office on a most likely very conservative platform. Do you understand me?

Ben Mandelker (7:39)

And then we have Simone asking a patient if she's taking her iron tablets. And then we have Brandy doing some stuff with lips and everything in her cosmetic urology practice.

Brandy (7:51)

You know, she's like, wrong lips, wrong lips. I came to the urology department.

Ben Mandelker (7:58)

Still don't understand the connection to urology, but I will accept it.

Brandy (8:01)

She's leaving with Lala mouth on her vagina. She's like, wait a minute. What did you people do to me?

Ben Mandelker (8:09)

So then we go to Contessa, who's dressed, you know, in 70s garbage. She's meeting up with Toya, which is so funny because these two used to hate each other. And Contessa's like, do you like it? Do you like my look? You know, we're like, We're 70s babies, baby. We're 70s. And Toya's like, yeah, we are, but we're not gonna tell anybody. And Toya, by the way, gives Contessa the stink eye through this entire scene. And I'm like, contessa, you realize that Toya is not really on your side for this, right? She's going to come.

Brandy (8:34)

Toya literally hates your gut still. And so good luck with this. Toya is only being friends with you so you can yell at Heavenly for her. And if you're not going to do that, she's got very little patience for you, I can tell you right now. Also, it's funny that Contessa is showing up in her 70s garb for this, but she won't show up to 70s garb for her party, which is 70s themed.

Ben Mandelker (8:53)

So I don't know.

Brandy (8:54)

I don't know if she just got one Amazon outfit that she. It's like it was used up or what, but damn.

Ben Mandelker (8:59)

Also, like, I think. Also, I think we're all entitled to throw ourselves a really nice party, especially for, like, a milestone birthday. It's just really hard to start this episode with her planning this massive party for herself on the heels of last week when she was like, I emptied out all of our savings. I cashed out all of our stock options, our 401k, just to get this building up. It's like. So I'm like, what do you want me to feel for you right now? What are the emotions you need me to feel? Because last week you wanted me to feel sympathy for you for not having Any money left. And then this week, you want me to be like, yes, spend that $40,000 on your birthday party.

Brandy (9:34)

Yeah, it's a lot of money to spend, you know, but, hey, I mean, it's housewives also, so maybe it didn't really cost that much. And she's just saying that. Yeah, because, I mean, Marriott.

Ben Mandelker (9:43)

Yep, Marriott.

Brandy (9:45)

So I don't know. So she's like, well, I want to do a purple carpet or a red carpet. And Tori is like, back in the day, do a carpet. They did a Soul Trade line. And she's like, well, but, you know, at the Players Ball, they had a carpet, baby. Okay, look at the space. It's so beautiful. God, just imagine someone talking about advertising revenue over there. Someone showing a pie chart over there, a free coffee bar, possibly some croissants, maybe powdered eggs in the morning that are free if you're staying here.

Ben Mandelker (10:16)

Well, you know, the Players Ball refers to an annual flashy gathering of pimps, according to Google AI, as many people probably already know, this originating in Chicago in 1974. And what few people realize is that this gathering of pimps often happened in a Marriott conference room.

Brandy (10:38)

I know about the Players Ball because I have seen the musical the Life, that's. They all went to the Players Ball, and I loved it. It was Lilia Sweat at her best.

Ben Mandelker (10:48)

Whoa.

Brandy (10:50)

For the oldest profession. She was a tired, tired hoe in that one. And that was the best song.

Ben Mandelker (10:58)

She's great. So Contessa is saying that, you know, it's just like, okay, so she's saying hi to the. The. The party planner, and she's like, I'm a 70s baby, so I really want to do a 70s party. So I chose the theme Players Ball because I want it to be a lot of activities. I want people to come in in their 70s best. Their furs and their suits and their amazing clothes, and let's just have a good time. That's really what it's all about. And if they want to throw a PowerPoint up on the screen, I'm not going to stop them.

Brandy (11:27)

So she says, this is going to be like the movie Casino, because that was in the 70s, didn't end well for those of you who haven't seen it. And, you know, so she just wants to have fun, as I said in my invitation, roll that beautiful bean footage. And so we see it, and it's. She has an invitation that's like, hey, baby, you're gonna come to the Players Ball. And then they open a box and it shoots out Paper money at you all over your floor. Yeah, I did not see him bend down to sweep up your floor on the way out. So I would not be happy with this invitation. It's like when someone sends you a gift, but it's in like a whole thing of confetti and then there's confetti all over your kitchen. And then you finally get down to it and it's like a Snickers bar. Like, really? Now I have to clean my kitchen, you cheap fuck.

Ben Mandelker (12:15)

Yeah, it's like those. Those boxes that open up that the fake butterflies that come flying out. It's like, oh, that's fun. You startled me. And now I've got to clean up your invitation somehow. Littered.

Brandy (12:25)

Yeah, so mouth murder as well.

Ben Mandelker (12:28)

Yikes.

Brandy (12:30)

Thanks for the butterfly genocide in my kitchen.

Ben Mandelker (12:34)

So Contessa is like, this is gonna be my first birthday party ever. And Toya's like, oh, you thought it for yourself. Yes, I waited almost 50 years to throw myself. Or if someone throw me a party and just never happened. Well, I don't know if I should be sad or happy for you. I'm going to choose sad. That's more fun for me.

Brandy (12:54)

I'm going to talk about all the part. The rest of the episode. I'm going to hit that. Eugene has thrown me really big parties.

Ben Mandelker (12:59)

Has he?

Brandy (13:00)

Have we seen Eugene throwa really big parties? Have we? I mean, I guess we have.

Ben Mandelker (13:05)

I mean, I feel like we have. I feel like there was some like Greek gods and goddess party that they had and one of their recent houses or toy.

Brandy (13:13)

He did it.

Ben Mandelker (13:13)

Okay. I think so. I think so. I think, I think, I think Eugene is pretty good with this sort of stuff. So Contessa is like, what I'm thinking is we have a super long Runway in the dance floor over there. And then we could also. Where are we going to set up the coffee machines if anyone wants to have like a little bit of a coffee break or buy the water coolers?

Brandy (13:32)

What?

Ben Mandelker (13:32)

Like, what are we going to do here? So they're going to have like, you know, this is party planning. Balloon wall, four decades of life presentation, carpets, buffet.

Brandy (13:42)

Yeah. So she gives them 40 grand. And Tori's like, what? That too budget. She goes, that's too little. Do you think? She's like, that's too high. And she's like, yeah, contestant needs to finish off that office. How about that? Do that. Yeah.

Ben Mandelker (13:55)

She's like, we're supposed to have an office in your office, so put your money towards that. And I agree, like, this is a Lot of money for such an uninspired space that, like. And also, she, like, spent all her money clearly on that balloon wall because she was not able to mask the conference room of it all by putting up curtains or even some mylar anything. I mean, a junior prom can make. It can make a space look better than this one.

Brandy (14:16)

Yeah. So she's like, it's my party. I don't have to answer to you. And Toy's like, well, I think this is great, but I don't want to have drama at your party. So I think it should be positive energy. Okay. Which is why you're doing it in the conference room with phones that are still on cords, I guess. I guess. It's so 70s. It's so players ball, so casino. So.

Ben Mandelker (14:39)

Yeah. So she's saying contest is saying that they, you know, people wearing 70s outfits are going to make. Make the party have lots of positive energy. And Toy's like, that's not true. She was like, no. Well, you have very low expectations of others because what fuzz are you talking about? Okay. Because you're not inviting account group. Okay. Because they're not going to bring positive energy.

Brandy (15:00)

It's like, I'm inviting everybody. But Tori does not like the Heavenly's invited. And she's like, last time I saw Heavenly, she was crazy. Okay. And I hope her energy is good because that energy was stank the other day. Yeah, but you were also starting with her. I love that Tori is always like, I don't understand why Heavenly was so mad at me. Like, she comes in full guns ablaze in the first time she sees her. Anyway, nobody wants a peaceful Heavenly, Okay?

Ben Mandelker (15:25)

No one does. Yeah.

Brandy (15:26)

Yeah.

Ben Mandelker (15:26)

So Contessa is like, well, I would like to think that our group can put all their differences aside to celebrate me for the one time in my life I've asked them to do that. No resting bitch faces. Like, you're on Bravo. No one understands the concept of putting aside their issues to celebrate someone on the cast, especially not you, Contessa.

Brandy (15:44)

And Contessa is also one of those people who's like, the one time I throw myself a party, I've never done this before. Like, oh, gosh. So she has that extra thing of like, just, poor me. I've never had a party before. Me, Contessa never had a party. You've never had a party? Why don't I believe Contessa store? I. I know it's not even that big of a deal. I don't doubt that her husband has never thrown her a party. But I just feel like, is that true that you've never had a birthday party?

Ben Mandelker (16:09)

I do not believe. Sounds. Sounds curious. I also always. After all these years, I always get the sense that no one on the cast actually enjoys Contessa. I feel like they tolerate her and they respect her as a professional, but, like, given, like, if there were no show, none of them would ever deal with her or talk with her. I feel like they just are like, ugh, it's Contessa.

Brandy (16:29)

I don't think so. And I think that they're so bored with her this year that. Because Contessa came back this year with a very positive energy. Was she online? She was on last year.

Ben Mandelker (16:38)

She was on last year. Yeah.

Brandy (16:39)

So, I mean, I watched the whole thing, but, like. And that was an honest question. I really don't remember her there. But anyway, she comes back, and so they gave her her grace year of coming back, where they didn't really come for her too much. And she was very positive about her whole relationship because she spent so time on the show being negative about our relationship. So this time she's like, I love Scott. Everything's great with Scott. Not bitching about Scott. I do not want this to be about me and Scott. And they're not going to let her have that. They're like, okay, you're boring us. You've given us nothing. We're going to make you fight about your relationship status from four years ago. Okay, Buckle up.

Ben Mandelker (17:13)

Yep. I just had a flashback to when they went to the Caribbean once, and, like, was it that? Was it. Contesta was a Toya, where, like, Toya saw a dead crab on the sidewalk and, like, lost her mind. Remember that?

Brandy (17:25)

Oh, good.

Ben Mandelker (17:29)

So, yeah, Contessa is, like, hoping people can put aside their drama to celebrate her. And so I was like, yeah, yeah, I hope they could do that, too. And Contessa's like, don't come in critiquing everything. She's like, yeah, just come in here to have a good time. It's gonna be so fun. You just, you know, you just gave me a moment where I just thought back to, like, wasn't everybody high back then in the 70s? Was everyone high? Can we get high before we come in here? I think that's the only way we could enjoy being in this conference room.

Brandy (17:54)

Yeah. So now we go over to Quad's house, and Quad is still very happy in her relationship. And I just see things that she's happy about right now in about five years that are not going to be fun. Anymore. Like this scene where she's like, so, baby, are you getting something to eat? And he's like, mm. We see him sitting down with food and she's like, as long as you don't eat my food. Like I don't eat your food. She goes, oh, but you do. What do you have to say about that? And he's like, nothing. She goes, really?

Ben Mandelker (18:25)

Why? Because you eat my food.

Brandy (18:26)

And he's sitting there with a whole plate of like, fish and rice. And she's like, you are eating my leftovers. And she says, this is the thing with leftovers. Don't assume that there's one refrigerator and this is my girl and everything is ours. I'm eating leftovers. That's what I'm gonna eat. What am I gonna eat now? And he's just sitting there with his leftovers, like, fuck with me then. Tell me I can't eat this. Tell me.

Ben Mandelker (18:48)

Yeah. He's like, guess what? I have a healthy appetite. You want it 15 times a day? Feed me. Feed me quad more. And quad's like, well, he just shut my mouth up it. I had that same thought, which is like, she's laughing off everything. And in a moment they have a talk about like a bad breath situation. And in five years it'll be like, he eats all the leftovers and leaves nothing behind. What am I, chopped liver? I know I'm not even chopped liver, cuz he'd eat that too.

Brandy (19:15)

He comes in smelling like a garbage disposal and expects me to love him. Can't wait. I can't wait till it turns. Because right now she's like, oh my God, I love this. Maybe we'll get married, maybe we'll have a baby. And then we start talking about the baby and she's taking hormone shots every day because that's no easy feat getting prepped for this. It's crazy. And she has to give her shots, I think a couple times a day. And. And he's like, well, you're gonna take a shot. Well, I think you need to just take your shot because your hormones are already like, crazy. And she goes, oh, does the shot make me have mood swings and rage? And he's like, yes. He goes, not rage. I find myself crying a lot. That's not me being enraged. It's me wondering, where did my fish and rice dish from yesterday go?

Ben Mandelker (20:03)

King and I are trying to get pregnant and we have a friend who basically got pregnant at 46 with triplets. And I said, wait a minute, where's the doctor? And she was like, oh, the doctor's in Ghana. And when I heard that, I just felt like that's where I need to be. So basically she's doing all this, this in vitro in Ghana, but she's having Jackie sort of do her labs and stuff stateside, which. That sounds very intense to me. But you know what? Live your life.

Brandy (20:34)

Yeah, I mean, I think they do it the same anywhere, right? Is there like some special trick they use in Ghana?

Ben Mandelker (20:39)

Like, I don't know, maybe.

Brandy (20:40)

What if they do differently?

Ben Mandelker (20:41)

Spiritual connection? I don't know.

Brandy (20:44)

But I heard someone in Ghana had triplets. Take me to Ghana. Well, I mean, a lot happened in other places. I don't know, I'd stay home.

Ben Mandelker (20:55)

Personally, I was, I was just like that. Just maybe she's just like really aiming to hit status on an airline. I'm like, that just seems like unless I'm massively uninformed, which I will, I'm going to give a 75% chance that I am. I just feel like that's a really far way to go. But I understand spiritual connection. That's.

Brandy (21:13)

I've just always wanted a literary child. And I'm gonna have a Ghana girl.

Ben Mandelker (21:21)

That's so stupid. So he's like, I spent my whole life trying to dodge this bullet. It's not a bullet. It's a blessing. It's a blessing in the shape of a bullet. No, it's a. It's just a straight up blessing that has no perceivable shape. You ever played Super Mario Bros? Of course I played Super Mario Brothers. Ever see the bullets with bills? And they are blessings coming from Mario. What is your issue?

Brandy (21:51)

Next you're gonna try to eat the plant eating plant. That was my plant eating plan. So he's like, okay, just get your shot going so I can get ready for the next 24 hours of hell. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Grappens commercial.

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Brandy (23:22)

She's not gonna love this smart ass. And I'm telling you, yeah, in five years she's gonna be going crazy with this attitude.

Ben Mandelker (23:29)

She's not gonna like, isn't this also kind of regressive too? It's like, well, ladies, PMSing. Watch out, ladies. And their hormones can't control them. I love when, I love when guys do this whole narrative as if like guys are the most level headed people on earth. I'm like, hello, does anyone want to look at any of the wars that are around the world?

Brandy (23:46)

As you eat my driven by men, you're like, why are women so angry as he eats the leftovers? Yeah, yeah, but this is married to medicine. And that's how they roll on this show. They're like, well, you know how women are. You get a bunch of women in a room together, you better duck and cover, buddy.

Ben Mandelker (24:06)

Yeah. So Quad is by the way, right? No, I get it. Everyone hide in my basement bar. So Quad is talking about the, the process and that's like exhausting. But despite all the side effects, it'll be worth it to be a mom. Which is interest because when the show began, like, she did not want to be a mom, but she was also connected to Dr. Gregory. And I don't know if I would want to.

Brandy (24:31)

Well, you want a little Dr. Gregory running around or doctor or a little whatever this guy's name is. Yeah, this guy. Definitely. I want this guy. He's gonna come out with like a full, you know, six pack. This baby.

Ben Mandelker (24:44)

I know. It'd be like, like have like a smoky voice, like, hey, mama, like some milk. You're like, Whoa, yeah, baby doctor.

Brandy (24:52)

Dr. Greg's baby would be like, I'm a baby man.

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Ben Mandelker (25:04)

So King is like, well, if we get the results that we were seeking, it's definitely be worth it. If not, I could have bought another car. Okay, great. So then quad is doing the needle thing and she's like, I don't. I'm not scared of needles. I just don't like other people doing it. Now let me smell your breath. It smells like fish. Go brush your teeth for real. And he's like, well, you got a problem. You're projecting it on me. You better stop. Is he saying that she has the bad breath?

Brandy (25:34)

Yeah, you've got a problem, and you're breathing it all over me. Brush your teeth, King.

Ben Mandelker (25:40)

You just had all that fish. Brush the fish away.

Brandy (25:44)

I wonder if Quad takes it as a sign when she's driving along, happy in her relationship, trying to have baby with this guy, and she passes signs everywhere that says no, King. Is it like Brittany, like, seeing that sign where it's just like, don't do it, Britney. She's like, how dare you? How dare you? But then it ended up being correct in the end.

Ben Mandelker (26:08)

I think that Quad is diplomatized. That's what I'm assuming, but I don't have any.

Brandy (26:12)

I haven't even seen his dick. But I really like him. I'm just prepared for her to hate him, because I know I actually have.

Ben Mandelker (26:17)

No problem with the King whatsoever. He seems all right. He's like. And I like that he. He went after Dr. Gregory. I love that he basically stood up for quad with Dr. Gregory because Dr. Gregory is such a little twerp. So now we go to Brandy meeting up with contestants right before the party. And Brandy has, like, her party makeup on, but she's still, like, in her regular clothes. And Brandy's like, hey, happy birthday. Because they're both, like, arriving at the hotel, and she's like. She's like, oh, my God. Like, how's it going? And Contesta's saying because Contest is already in her outfit. She's like, I said, let me get myself into, like, into my party mode, and then the universe will feel it like, yes, yes. I love it. Oh, my God, you're fabulous. Where are you going? It's, like, very much like, we are friends, and I'm here to support you for your party. And I'm highlighting this because it doesn't seem to go the other way around later on in the episode.

Brandy (27:08)

Yeah. And Contessa's like, isn't this amazing? Look at. There's a record, and it has my name on it. What?

Ben Mandelker (27:15)

What?

Brandy (27:15)

I'm 50 years old. I've never had a record with my name on it before.

Ben Mandelker (27:22)

Oh, it's so great to have my. My name on a current piece of media. So Contessa says, you know, it would be so great if Scott was like, what can I do to help? It just doesn't connect for him in that way. He's a smart guy. He's just. He's book smart. He doesn't have any common sense or seem to love me. I'm just saying. So Contessa says, can I give you one piece of advice? Brandi, how long have you been married? She's like, 10 years. Okay. Don't ever say, I got this. Because, like. Like, no, you don't have to. That's too much. Because once you do that, you're kind of like, oh, okay. Brandy's like, not sure exactly I know what you're talking about.

Brandy (27:57)

But, yeah, she's saying, never say I got this, because you're creating a monster who will never do anything for you. And so she's like, okay, well, step up your underwear. Because they say panties for girls, so step it up in your underwear. She. If you talk to Scott, basically, she's saying, so Brandi's like, oh, yeah, I'll talk to Scott for you. I'll talk to Sa. So Contessa's of setting it up with the girls and us in the beginning of this episode, like, yeah, I threw my own party. But, I mean, Scott's not gonna do it. I mean, sure, I would have loved for him to do it. He's just not really that kind of a guy. Wouldn't this be nice if my husband helped me? Let me tell you something. Don't ever tell your husband he doesn't have to do anything for you, because he won't. And then later, when they're like, why doesn't your husband do anything for you? She's like, how dare you? How dare you?

Ben Mandelker (28:42)

I know.

Brandy (28:43)

So Contessa does kind of set herself up for this all the time.

Ben Mandelker (28:48)

Yeah, I got a little distracted because I heard a very loud bird. And I was wondering, is that bird on the other side of my window, or it's on the other side of Ronnie's window? And I literally got lost in that thought about, where is the bird? And then I started to realize, well, that's a typical cadasta scene. You start thinking about birds instead.

Brandy (29:06)

Yeah, well, you know, you would have known it would have been in my house, because I would have been like, it's a bird. Oh, my God. I'm gonna take a picture. Let me try and stream the bird Right now, everybody.

Ben Mandelker (29:17)

Birds never do anything for Contessa. So now Mimi and Angel are getting ready, and Mimi is like, are you excited about the party? And Angel's like, I am, but I don't know what to expect. And Mimi's like, well, just expect the unexpected because of Big brother, right? And Angel's like, well, did you grow up in the 70s? She's like, what? No. How dare you shame me like that. I am from the early 2000s.

Brandy (29:39)

I was born.

Ben Mandelker (29:41)

So then Jackie and Heavenly are getting ready. And Heavenly's like, okay, so you got.

Brandy (29:46)

Your bell bottoms on, Everyone, do you.

Ben Mandelker (29:47)

Have your bell bottoms on?

Brandy (29:48)

I'm just saying my high pitched voice.

Ben Mandelker (29:50)

Because I'm just gonna be a fun.

Brandy (29:51)

Sweet lady running for her office right now.

Ben Mandelker (29:52)

Put on your bell bottoms.

Brandy (29:54)

I have got my bell bottoms on, honey. Boom, boom, boom. Let me see the shoes.

Ben Mandelker (30:01)

Can I see the shoes?

Brandy (30:04)

It looks like we're back in the 70s, right?

Ben Mandelker (30:07)

No, no, no. Jimmy Choo.

Brandy (30:09)

What are you doing with Jimmy Choo? No, it doesn't look like that. I really like the way people dressed in the 70s. I think they should bring. Bring that back. The platform shoes, the makeup, the Afrocentricity centricity of it all. And so Jackie's like, well, I was Young in the 70s, but I do recall it was free love, honey. We were very free sexually back in the day, but so was herpes and chlamydia, hepatitis. So we paid for that freedom. Jackie, can we keep anything nice? Can we just have a nice party?

Ben Mandelker (30:42)

I know. Jackie's like, let me just make sure all my patients feel shame when they come in if they've compared to any of these diseases. She's like, you know what I love?

Brandy (30:52)

Stigma.

Ben Mandelker (30:53)

So Heavenly. Heavenly's like, well, I got a waist trainer just in case.

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Mimi.

Ben Mandelker (30:58)

Oh, I need that.

Brandy (30:58)

What?

Ben Mandelker (30:59)

What are you gonna do? And Jackie's like, that's cute. Why are you speaking in such a high pitched voice? I don't even understand what you're saying right now.

Brandy (31:08)

How many pecunwits? So then we go to the party and we. I knew you were gonna have a problem with this episode when this started. When they started doing the.

Ben Mandelker (31:20)

And I. I actually was, okay. I was. I held space for it because it's like they show up and like, there's Steve. He's Silky Steve Supreme. And Mimi Lady Silk Supreme. I'm like, okay, they're gonna do the names. I was like, you know what? Just be chill with it, Ben. Rather than, like, just. Just enjoy it. Let it lap. Lap over you like a wave. The waves lap something. Just let it cascade over you. And so I was like, okay, this is fine. But I'm like, wow, this is a big cast. And they all have husbands. So this went on for A long time. I'm like, okay. So when we finally get through it, I was like, okay, we got through it. We got through it. 20, 25. Ben is not going to get himself annoyed about things that don't have to be annoyed. Just enjoy it. Enjoy the typeface. Enjoy the consideration that the posts appreciate department put into the fonts and the colors and everything. But then comes the. Remember the 70s segment. I was like, oh, my God. Now we gotta listen to everyone talk about the seventies. Oh, my God.

Brandy (32:16)

Yeah. So they do that and everybody comes and they get their names and quad is quadraphonic. And Toria is talking to Simone. And of course, Damon arrives, not dressed, shows up. He makes zero effort. I mean, if we're going to talk about a husband who makes zero effort, it's that one. I mean, my God, come on. Didn't even get a wig.

Ben Mandelker (32:39)

I literally, when I was watching it, I just rolled my eyes like, daddy. And then I thought, wow, I just had daddy to the cv. So then he's like, at least he didn't wear scrubs.

Brandy (32:47)

I'm surprised he didn't. And be like, I'm a doctor. The doctor from the 70s.

Ben Mandelker (32:54)

Unfortunately, the invitation says, we don't want no scrubs. So Toya was like, well, I spoke to Contessa. Do you know how much she spent? 40 grand. 40 grand. Which is funny. Toya, of all people, who, like, just will burn money in a, like, you know, in an uni oven just because she can, is now shaming someone who's.

Brandy (33:14)

On her 12th house in 12 years. It's like, I believe it. And Simone's like, that is a lot. If this is the first time she's throwing a party check. Well, everybody's saying that because just because it's your first party, you got to spend 40 grand. Spending 40 grand with, my son's about to graduate two, three years. No, we. We need two green eggs. Two, two. Every appliance we need two of. But not a party, though.

Ben Mandelker (33:41)

So Simone basically says that she spent 5, $5,000 on the graduation party for Miles and Michael. And she says the most Simone has spent on a party is $5,000. Miles and Michael's graduation. And we don't need any damn balloons. We don't need. We don't need a photographer. We don't need any of that.

Brandy (34:08)

I like that. This show's kind of anti housewives in a way. It's like they're bragging about how much money they didn't spend on a party.

Ben Mandelker (34:14)

I know. Well, it's it's like you have the professionals who are like, we are not doing that. Although Contest is a professional. It's just sort of like you have Toya, who is, like, of the housewives world, and then you have Simone, who is, like, of the pragmatic world, Simone and Jackie. And, like, they come together. Like, what are you thinking? Although in this case, they are aligned. It's like, well, Toya is not normally going to be the one to shame someone for spending $40,000, but she will shame Contessa because she probably has heard it 10 times more than we have about how much Contessa has no money and how the building that they bought is taking forever to do.

Brandy (34:50)

Yeah, it seems like a pretty petty thing because they seem to be building it throughout the episode. But then I realized, oh, they're just teaming up to get at Contessa because they're sick of Contessa coasting. I think they feel like Contest is coasting, so they're like, okay, Heavenly's not here. Let's fight with Contessa.

Ben Mandelker (35:05)

Yeah. So Brandy's like, oh, my God. You know, I told her, I said, girl, you could have had a little wedding. And Toyo's like, yeah, I mean, my wedding was 75, 000. And Mimi's like, in what year?

Brandy (35:17)

Such a goddamn math. All right, everybody. All the pimps and players in here. I want to make a lot of noise and give a round of applause to coffee service. We've carafes of decaf, but they will be coming around. Also, Contessa's behind the coffee. Contessa. Hello, Contessa. Did you take any more soaps out of the soap dispenser thingy? Stop doing that when you pass the towels. Okay. The housekeeping wanted me to ask you. It's Contessa.

Ben Mandelker (35:46)

The emcee is like, all right, everybody. Oh, your turn, your turn. Oh, no, you. Oh, okay. I'll go like. Sorry. The MCs used to doing conference calls. This is new territory for him.

Brandy (35:57)

Dempsey's, like, Contessa is here. Can I please have your Marriott Rewards number, please? That would be great. Do not enter it on sign up.

Ben Mandelker (36:07)

Just want to remind everyone to put your hands in the air because there are snicker bars in the lobby you can charge to your room.

Brandy (36:16)

You will be charged for every towel missing from your hotel room. Just to let you guys know, Energy.

Ben Mandelker (36:23)

For Contessa, there is a business center where you can print documents for a nominal fee.

Brandy (36:31)

Yes, Starbucks is, For some reason, $3 more expensive per drink than it is everywhere else. Enjoy, Contessa, everybody.

Ben Mandelker (36:41)

And just remember that after the party is the after party, which happens at the gym, which is 24 hours. The peloton is broken, though.

Brandy (36:49)

Must have a room key. So Contessa comes and she's like, this is the party of my dreams. Really? Who dreams of that? Who dreams of a. Of a conference room party? I can't. I can't with this.

Ben Mandelker (37:10)

You know what it's like with this party? Like, it just. It was. It was just the car. I could just see too much of the carpeting, too much of the. It just was. I was hoping that when they. When people arrived and there was the balloon wall, I was like, okay, this definitely looks like, you know, a conference room exterior. But when they get in there, it's going to be. They'll be transported to a different world. But when they went in there, I was like, this is. This is where you have a seminar. It was definitely like a seminar. Seminar room. Like, someone should have been up there talking about growth strategies.

Brandy (37:44)

Yeah.

Ben Mandelker (37:44)

Something or something. Synergies.

Brandy (37:48)

Scott is like, well, the price of the party was extensive. I mean, we could have cut the cake price in half. Probably the food budget in half, too. And she's like, yeah, and then if we listen to you, we'd be doing it in the living room. So maybe the best thing for you to do was to stay out of it, which you did. And this turned out exactly how I wanted it. And he's like, okay, yeah.

Ben Mandelker (38:06)

All right. We should also mention that Scott is wearing, like, this wig that's like a little bob, this little like. Like, it was almost like an, like, what's it called? Clockwork Orange Bob under his hat, which was. I know what look he was going for, but it was just the wig was not really. I felt like really knocking it out of the park.

Brandy (38:27)

Yeah, a lot of the wigs were. Were rough on this one.

Ben Mandelker (38:31)

Yeah.

Brandy (38:32)

So Scott goes to talk to Cecil, and, you know, all the guys are basically talking. And Scott's like, well, I tried. Troy goes, oh, you did really good, all this party, Scott. And he goes, yeah, you know, I tried to help out as much as I could. And she goes, oh, really? Really? You did. You set this out? And Cecil's like, yeah, that was shade. She's. She's not being serious. She goes, no, no. I love all the parties that you met. Throw. All of you bed throw great parties. And they're like. Scott's like, well, guess what? We cut the checks.

Ben Mandelker (39:01)

Okay.

Brandy (39:02)

Which was not really the right thing. To say. And she's like, oh, okay, I'll. I'll go and ruin your relationship now. Have fun. Have fun at your party.

Ben Mandelker (39:11)

I know. And then Scott says that he went and picked up the cupcakes today. So Heavenly's like, well, I'm gonna let you all know that these 70s hoes have done a whole lot that you probably can't do them.

Brandy (39:22)

This area here got it.

Ben Mandelker (39:23)

They got it all up. And Jackie's like, yeah, it's really up.

Brandy (39:27)

When we bent over for a minute, we'd bend over backwards for our man. You know, they don't want to do that anymore. These young girls don't want to do that. And I'm going to run on that platform, which is bring back bending over for your man. Yeah, Heavenly. I love Heavenly coming back with a very modern platform to run on. Women need to be more like they were 50 years ago. Okay, I know. Just take women.

Ben Mandelker (39:50)

Women need to bend over for the men.

Brandy (39:52)

Heavenly time machine.

Ben Mandelker (39:53)

Yeah.

Brandy (39:55)

And Angel's like, well, I bend over backwards for my man, and if he was a good man, I've got no problem with that. Bend it over. Bust it wide open.

Ben Mandelker (40:05)

I think in a good relationship, both people are bending. It's just essentially like rhythmic gymnastics up in there, you know? So contessa now has an outfit change, and she has long hair, sort of like share hair. And Curtis is talking to Eugene, and he's like, hey, Gene, how's it going? And Gene's like, I'm good. I'm good. He's like, well, we missed you at the thing the other night. I love. I love Curtis and his specificity. And Eugene's like, yeah, well, I've been working out of town. You know, I go to town, I work, and then I come back, and then I just got back yesterday, and then I'm working. I'm working at five different hospitals right now, and they're all, like, two hours away. And, you know, there's all, you know, all these different hospitals, but, like, at every hospital, the nurses are like, hey, can you come work here all the time? And I'm like, no, I can't, because I can't afford to do that. I need to carry five jobs all at once. For. I'm not gonna say why I have to earn all this money, but let's just say house number 12. House number 12, yeah.

Brandy (40:54)

And Curtis is like, whoa, only the nurses. What about the patients? Why are the nurses? And Cecil's like, yeah, I want to see the nurses. I just. I want to see the nurses who are saying this. And he's like, guys, you're feeding into that. Listen, nurses know how you behave and who they want to work with. And they're. But they're all hinting like, oh, Eugene has got some game with the nurses. That's why they're big. Yes, guys. The nurses are all creaming their pants over Eugene across state. They're just like, yes, give me some more, Eugene. They're all passing Eugene in the hallway, like, hey, Doctor.

Ben Mandelker (41:32)

But also. I know. But also like, why are these guys trying to act like this is scandalous? These are potential co workers, okay? In. In an ideal world, the patient is out of there in like, three or four days, okay? If a patient's like, can you please work here all the time? Then that's not. I mean, we don't want the patients to be in there all the time. We want it. The people who are going to be in that hospital are gonna be the nurses. Look at me taking up for Eugene. I'm like. I'm like, excuse me, people, please do not. Please do not try to create scandal around our sweet Eugene. Eugene.

Brandy (42:04)

They're just trying to make it sound like Eugene is, like, you know, lusted for by all the nurses. They're just giving. But Eugene takes it very seriously. He's like, no, guys, Seriously. Seriously. They're like, right, stud? He's like, no, guys.

Ben Mandelker (42:16)

Really? Yeah. And I like that. Like, Toya is like, what? What? What nurses? And he's like, well, he's like, well, you might like to know that some of them are men. And she's like, excuse me, what are their names? He goes, paul. There's a guy named Paul, and he likes me and he wants me to come back. And Cecil knows him.

Brandy (42:36)

So there. So there.

Ben Mandelker (42:38)

Paul. Bring Paul on the show.

Brandy (42:41)

Paul. Casting Paul. So Scott gives a speech. It's super romantic. He's like, hey, hey, guys. Hey, guys. Thanks so much for coming. I don't know if my wife has mentioned this, but she's never had a major birthday party in her whole life. It's not crazy. Let me tell you. She did so much to get this party going. It was great. It was just inspiring to watch it from the couch. You know, she's a really strong force in our household. I did just kind of call her a right now in the speech, and I celebrate her for that. Okay, so also, I want to share a really important story with you guys. Long time ago, before my mother passed away, we would watch movies together. And she said, you got yourself a Rose from the Titanic, she would just let you die in an ice storm. Her in a iceberg, I think. Drown, I think. So have fun with that.

Ben Mandelker (43:31)

I think my mom's specific words were, she's almost as slutty as that woman Rose, who took her top off to be painted by a stranger on a boat.

Brandy (43:44)

So I couldn't tell if the mom was like, yeah, your wife's gonna let you drown while she goes off with Kathy Bates in a survivor boat. But he said, she's like, rose would jump back on the boat for your ass, just like she did on the Titanic. She didn't jump back on the boat, did she?

Ben Mandelker (43:59)

Did she?

Brandy (44:00)

No. Is that an alternate ending? I think she just.

Ben Mandelker (44:02)

I don't remember. I think once people were off that boat, they were off that boat?

Brandy (44:06)

Pretty sure, yeah. Like, she stayed with him for a while, but then when it was time to go, they only had room for the rich people. So she got on the rich people boat, and then he flew. He floated away on driftwood until he drowned and died.

Ben Mandelker (44:16)

Well, maybe what it was. I haven't seen the movie in a while. Was that weren't the wealthy people gonna get onto a lifeboat? And, like, Francis Fisher was like, we're. We're doing this. And she was like, no, gotta go back and save Jack. Maybe that's what the vibe was. All I know is, I love when quad was like, why. Why do we have to, like, go through duress to be seen as, like, a decent option? Like, like, why can't we just. Why can't we just be awesome without having to, like, suffer through the Titanic?

Brandy (44:45)

Yeah. Like, why are you bringing it back to the Titanic? Yeah, it's awkward speech. Like, you're not doing great. You could have at least written a decent speech, sir. Okay. Because this one, I was like, so your mom hates Contessa? Because I really don't think any mom would be like, rose. Let me tell you one thing Rose did. She did right by Leo.

Ben Mandelker (45:05)

Yeah. Is Rose considered, like, a. A feminist icon or, like, an icon of strength and fortitude? She threw the jewel back into the ocean at the end. I mean, that was obnoxious. People are looking for that thing. And it's also worth a lot. And you could have secured your. Your children's. Your grandchildren's future by just selling it for auction. You just throw it into the ocean.

Brandy (45:26)

I know Rose looks all nice, but we didn't see her grandchildren's, like, crippling student loan debt, you know? I know.

Ben Mandelker (45:32)

She just throws away, like, $10 million.

Brandy (45:35)

Yeah.

Ben Mandelker (45:36)

God, I hate rose.

Brandy (45:44)

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Brandy (47:05)

And it is funny. She showed up in a prom dress. Like, she shows up in the sparkly, like, ice skating dress.

Ben Mandelker (47:10)

It's like, why?

Brandy (47:12)

You just look crazy. It's different if you tell everybody to wear white and you wear black or something. But it's.

Ben Mandelker (47:19)

I liked. I have to say, I did cuckoo. It did. I did like her in that long. I actually like both of her wigs, to be honest. I sort of thought, like, when she has her, like, like the big hair, I kind of. I. I actually enjoyed that look for Contessa. And then when she had the long, flat hair, I also.

Brandy (47:32)

So.

Ben Mandelker (47:33)

I also enjoyed that. So I was really happy with the wig work personally. But Contessa's definitely. She's taking victory laps at her own party right now. She's like, this is a great party. Right, guys? You guys having a good time? And Angel's like, did you. Did you want your husband to throw it or are you okay with it? She goes, well, I just said, this is my last year of my 40s, and I'm not gonna leave my 40s in this first half of My life, like, with any regrets. And I think I just had a vision in my head. I said, Marriott, generic carpeted floors, coffee machine, good WI fi for zoom calls that can be put on a big screen. I was like, boom. 50th birthday party.

Brandy (48:12)

I wanted people to leave here and remember the glamour of a continental breakfast, you know? And I think I've accomplished that, you know? And I don't know if it would be if. If I expected. If somebody else planned it for me, you know, like, if he did something in the backyard. I mean, no, I want people. I want it to be somewhere where people can drinks and food. And Tori's like, but why did you just tell him that and then make him do it? She's like, well, I mean, you know, look, I've been waiting 20 years for him to do something, so I just.

Ben Mandelker (48:43)

Would be afraid it would wind up at a Holiday Inn. And I'm more of a Marriott gal, okay? I just want to take the age out of Bon Voyage. Hence merit Bonvoy, okay? And Simone's like, well, don't you all believe that from the beginning of the relationship, we teach the men how to think and contest.

Brandy (48:58)

Okay? Remember that you just said you told everybody in this whole group that you teach a man how to treat. You just remember that for a couple of scenes ahead because you have egg on your face, ma'. Am. Dry, powdery, continental breakfast eggs.

Ben Mandelker (49:14)

Please don't remind me of so many Hyatt House breakfasts that I refuse to eat. In fact, I'm not gonna act like I even endured them. I'm like, I shall not. So Simone is like, if the bar or expectation is low, they can jump right over that. And they don't move the bar. And we have to move the bar. Sorry, I'm just getting my late in the season Caribbean couples counseling ready to go. So she says that her first Mother's Day, Cecil didn't have a card for her. And she's like, I got this little sucker over here and sucking on me, and you don't have a card.

Brandy (49:50)

So the contest is like, okay, well, we can reevaluate our marriages after the party. Party, okay? Because why are we coming after my marriage? And Tori is like, no, no. Reevaluating our marriages, that's major. And she's like, well, he knows. He knows that I handle shit, okay? And so he just was waiting for me to handle it. And I did handle it. And so I had a great party, and I'm happy. And look how sexist you guys are because now you're waiting for the patriarchy to do it for me. Instead of saying, why can't a woman do something on her own? And they're like, oh, geez.

Ben Mandelker (50:19)

And quads. Like, you better flip it. Because they're like, okay, that was well played. Make it seem like, okay, that this is. We're all being sexist.

Brandy (50:25)

You.

Ben Mandelker (50:26)

That was good. That was well played. So Contesta's like, it's my party. So they, like, you know, it actually. It was actually fine. It was not a tense moment. And she's like, don't worry.

Brandy (50:36)

We'll try again the next scene. Okay. But, yeah, fun. It's like, I'm stomping off now. Like, oh, we're gonna get her at the next one. Don't worry, girls.

Ben Mandelker (50:45)

Yeah. Also, poor Contessa. She throws herself a big 50th birthday party. And it's only, like, in segment two or three of the episode. Wow. Oh, sad. You don't even get the final segment. So now we go to Cecil. Simone and Cecil head to their sons. And, you know, I love their kids. I love. I always thought they have, like, just the sweetest kids, but. But those kids are also a little dumb because they're about to walk right into the. They are about to do some dumbass, and they're gonna. They're gonna find out what happens when you do dumb stuff.

Brandy (51:17)

This is not played well by the kids.

Ben Mandelker (51:19)

Kids.

Brandy (51:19)

I will say that none of them played very well. Not play this scene very well at all. So they're having family dinner night. The boys have ordered them food as kind of a thank you for their celebration, as a thank you for their graduation party. And so they get together, and Cecil's, you know, praising, like, the smallest effort. He's like, wow, you guys got food. That's amazing. And they're like, yeah, we're gonna microwave it. He's like, whoa. Wow, you guys, you know how to use a microwave. You're doing so great. Aren't they doing great, Simone? She's like, so now how does it feel to have one less thing off of your plate now that you've graduated?

Ben Mandelker (52:10)

Oh, you talking about because we put the food in the microwave? No, not the literal plate we're talking about. It's a metaphorical one. Please keep up.

Brandy (52:18)

Up. So they're like. Michael says, well, you know, nothing. I mean, it feels like nothing. So, you know, I mean, look, let's talk about this. In high school, I got the Jeep, right? The sheep was cool. But now we're starting to teeter towards the Jeep not being so cool. She's like, oh, really? What makes a Jeep not cool? I mean, she's just ready. She's like, really? You're gonna start a scene by trying to trap me into buying you a car on national television, and you think that's gonna work out for you? She's like, oh, hell no. You can already see it. Ra. She's like, no, no, sir.

Ben Mandelker (52:52)

This was such the worst way to start your plea for everything that you're about to ask for by saying, like, what you got. It was cool. Then it's not cool anymore. You say it's. What you do is. It doesn't. It's not driving as well. It's. It's not. It's not efficient. We're spending a lot of money on gas, and also, it's going to the shop a lot. And I'm concerned about the safety ratings. And I'm afraid that if I were to get into an accident, that I might die, whereas in another car, I might be safe. I don't know. You. You appeal to parental things. Don't say it's not cool. Simone is, like, looking at him like, are you kidding me? The. The amount of time I waited for you and your brother to get your degrees. Although, actually, I think that. I think Michael, like, he finishes in four years, But Miles took. Took a little. Took a little time. She's like, I have been paying for your asses for years and years and years, and now you're going to complain that the Jeep that I got you, that I didn't even need to get you when I could have gotten you a Toyota Corolla? You're going to say that that's not co Anymore. And she's trying to keep her cool. She's trying to be like.

Brandy (53:54)

And he goes, well, I mean, it's cool still, but I'm just tired of seeing it. I know you're tired of seeing it. We're all tired of seeing it. Let's just get me a new car. And she's, like, tired. Well, what we have to look at, though, is your financial situation to see if you could afford to make payments. Now, listen, I put some numbers on my iPad. I ran some figures for you. So let me grab that.

Podcast Host or Advertiser (54:18)

That.

Brandy (54:18)

And he's like, whoa, whoa. I just want to say, whatever you bring that iPad out, just make sure whatever's on it, it's not going to cause me to pick up your pasta off your plate and feed it to the dogs. I was like, oh, no. Every line you are saying is the wrong line.

Ben Mandelker (54:34)

Yeah. And what I loved is that she's like, okay, you want to have this conversation? I've already crunched the numbers. I'm more prepared than you think I am for this. This situation here. Yeah, I knew this day would come, and I'm ready for it. So she basically is like. She wants them to take care of themselves financially. Right. Which I don't think is unreasonable. And so Simone's like, okay, what I did was just calculate the Chase bill for the last year, month by month, and in January. And Miles goes, mom, can I. Can I just stop you right there? Like, oh, no, you. No, no, no, no, no, no. You opened up the Spandora's box. You're going to hear about all the money that you kids have spent.

Brandy (55:14)

It's like, why does this have to be negative? It's factual information. Michael spent over $60,000 by himself on his card. Whoa. That's crazy. That's a lot of money for one year for a kid in college.

Ben Mandelker (55:29)

A college. What are you doing in. Like, that's a car. I mean, what. How are you. Like, I just. How do you spend basically $5,000 a month in college? In college, if you're. Maybe rent. Would you say Uber eats?

Brandy (55:45)

Uber eats every day. All their bills and all that stuff?

Ben Mandelker (55:48)

Yeah, I mean, like, I get it. Like, if you're living off campus in an apartment, that's. There's money there, too, but still, 5,000 is huge.

Brandy (55:56)

Well, she bought. They bought them an apartment. Remember? We saw them buy them that apartment they moved into. So.

Ben Mandelker (56:02)

So.

Brandy (56:02)

And a car.

Ben Mandelker (56:05)

I don't understand this. This is. This is. Is crazy.

Brandy (56:08)

So he spent 60 grand, and he needs to have a clear understanding about the value of money and the value of swiping just a credit card. So he's like, whoa, the Chase bell. She goes, if I were you and I wanted a car, I wouldn't be arguing with the person you were asking to buy the car, but that's me. So have you been thinking about where you want to go to law school, how you're going to finance your education?

Ben Mandelker (56:38)

He goes, well, I do have a mother who makes pretty good money. I'm like, sir, this is not the time to be cracking jokes. And she goes, and Simone's like, well, I don't feel like I should be footing the bill for anything other than the roof over your head. And Cecil's like, well, when you start thinking about law school, graduate school, and so forth, if you're not getting any support. Right. If no one's helping you to do that. It sounds like, based on what your mom is saying, that what your ideal situation would be, and someone's like, the only one here at the table with an actual doctorate degree is me. And how I did it was I got scholarship money and loans. And actually, she's. She's still very calm. She's just like, listen, I'm just telling you, you know, there's. You're gonna. You have to figure it out. Like, do the work, get the scholarship money. Like, apply for it, Get a job. Like, you can do this. I did a it. You can do.

Brandy (57:32)

Seems like where she really loses it here is with Cecil, as we'll see in a minute. So I'm seeing he transferred from IT to real estate, and he is involved in business ventures, notably the Kids Force app, which I don't think is a Anymore. Yeah, I'm looking for Cecil to see if he is doing stuff like what he's doing for his job.

Ben Mandelker (57:55)

He has like.

Brandy (57:56)

Like a. Why are they coming up for Simone? Like, why is this all. Asking Simone about her money? Like, where's Cecil's money? Weren't we talking about that? You know?

Ben Mandelker (58:05)

Right.

Brandy (58:06)

So.

Ben Mandelker (58:08)

So. So basically, she's like, get the. Like, she's like, like, what about, like, scholarship money? And Michael's like, well, your mom wasn't able to do the things for you that you are able to do for us. I mean, what about all the rich white kids? Their parents pay their way to go for everything, and then they get out of college debt free and are millionaires. I'm like, I actually totally understand what he's saying there, but the thing is, you spent $60,000 on the chase card, and you're sitting here asking for a new car. And, like, you, like, like, clearly, Simone's like, you need to. You need to learn how to figure stuff out on your own. Like, if he hadn't. I think that if he hadn't been ringing up huge amounts of money, you know, in college and, like, showed sort of. And some sort of like, like, initiative to be like, I want to work towards this, but I need some help. She'd be like, okay, it'd be like, my honor to help you. Like, this is what we work for. Is that like younger generations, but he's just sort of like a kid who's just earning.

Brandy (59:01)

He's a dumbass. Paid for. And now it's just like, more money. Bought you a car. She paid for your college. She paid for your house. She paid for your house that you Live in. Which is crazy. She's paying your credit card bill. So for you to come in here and be like, well, you're making money, you're going to pay for it is just. Yeah, that's dumbest move. I mean, you need to come in and be like, I really want to go to graduate school. I. I don't know how I'm going to work, school and this at the same time, you know, you know, what's your advice? Should I get a part time job, a full time job, you know, whatever. Like, work until she says, like, well, I can help you if you do xyz, you know, like a map.

Ben Mandelker (59:37)

Your education matters to me. But like, don't. And also don't lead with the Jeep. Don't lead with the Jeep. Not cool anymore. So I need a new Jeep. Lead with. I'm thinking about my next steps. I would love to go to law school. And I was wondering if I could get some help. And then she could say, well, you need first get a job. You don't have to go to law school right away. Start building up for your future. And then what happens is do that. And then I'm sure if you show initiative, I'm sure they would come in and be like, we're so proud of you that we are going to help you. But the fact he's just like, yeah, just give me the money. She is like. And then you're gonna be on tv, you're gonna be like, you're gonna put her in a position where she's gonna look like she does not want to contribute to generational wealth. That's what he's basically doing. Like, you can see she's like this little punk that I raised. Oh, my God.

Brandy (60:21)

Yeah. And there are plenty of rich kids that parents are like, we'll help you with xyz, but you're paying for your college and you're doing. I mean, you have to pass responsibility off at some point. Obviously not everybody does, but it's not unheard of that wealthy people make their kids work, you know?

Ben Mandelker (60:35)

Yeah. And then Simone says, well, what about all the white people who pay for their kids to go to school be debt free, and then they still aren't doing shit. Which is also, by the way, very fair point. So now, like, at this point, it's like a. It's still like a pretty chill. Like, she's definitely getting like annoyed, but like, it's a chill conversation. But then when Cecil's like, well, Michael's point is still a valid one. We are Blessed. We are in a situation where we can, like, you know what? You may feel that way, but save it for the conversation afterwards in the bedroom. Right now, it's like, you have to. You should have your wife's back, Cecil.

Brandy (61:08)

Especially when your wife is carrying the load. Like, this is crazy. It's like three against one attacking her for being cheap when she pays for literally everything. So she is. She does not like this Cecil jumping on his side. And she's like, if I'm dead before he finishes law school, then what? And he's like, well, I mean, that could happen because God might take you away. Oh, my God, they're so bad at this. I can't believe how bad they are at negotiating. And Michael's like, well, I'm done talking about this. And she goes, oh, I don't care. Be done. And she is pissed now. And she says, I'm tired of being the low man out. It's always three against one. Which has been a complaint of hers this entire series. And they're still doing it to her. And Cecil's like, well, I'm going to jump in now. She goes, do not fucking jump in. Do not, because you don't think like me. And he goes, well, after you speak, then I'll speak. And she's like, you don't think like me. You don't support me on shit.

Ben Mandelker (62:09)

And Cease goes, well, where did that come from? It comes from the heart. It comes from the heart. The bottom line is, you're so entitled is what this revealed to me. And then Michael, she's like, I'm done. I'm done. I don't know. And, you know, Michael is like. He, like, runs away because it's actually an interesting scene because you can also see the kids reacting to this. Like, Miles kind of shuts down, is just, like, staring at his plate. Michael just like, runs away. Like, this is not the first time that there's been, like, an explosive moment in this household. But also, Michael, you. You caused it. Sorry. Like, that was. You're. You're. You really messed up on this one. You really thought you were being slick.

Brandy (62:48)

You thought you goes to level 20. You know, she's like. Gets up and then she's kind of in the hallway or the foyer or whatever, so you don't really even see her on camera losing it. And she's like, I am done. I don't owe you a thing from here. I have given you everything that I have.

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Brandy (63:11)

I was like, damn, yes.

Ben Mandelker (63:14)

I'm just imagining I was cracking up.

Brandy (63:16)

And cheering in my house because I love when Simone lets them have it. It's like she stays there in this very. Like, what else would you like to add to this conversation? And she lets them get all their stupidity out. And she just. Just lays into them. It's my favorite.

Ben Mandelker (63:34)

I have to imagine so many parents were giving her a standing ovation. I just have to. I mean, it was. It was just so great. And like, I. I'm just. I'm just imagining Michael's friends just giving him so much today. Like, you're an idiot. Why did you ever think that was the way to achieve your goal? You're like, you don't mess that up.

Brandy (63:55)

Up.

Ben Mandelker (63:56)

Big time. Big time.

Brandy (63:58)

Dumb move, buddy. Okay, so we go to Mimi's house. I'm so tired. I don't even. I'm tired of Mimi. Honestly, I don't even really remember any of this. But then we go to quad, working out at home with her man, and she's doing a stair climber or something, and he's like, what are you trying to. She's like, what are you trying to do? Reverse the big back? And she's like, did you say my back is big?

Ben Mandelker (64:24)

I'm small in the waist and cute in the face with the Big Mac. And then we go to.

Brandy (64:29)

In five years, that's going to be clocked.

Ben Mandelker (64:32)

Absolutely, it will be clocked. Contested Scott setting up their backyard for something deeply uninteresting. And then Simone arrives at the. So the main event, which is we're at a hookah lounge, and Simone shows up and heavily joins her at the bar.

Brandy (64:49)

And she's like, you look good today.

Ben Mandelker (64:51)

She's like, girl, we had a family dinner that went all the way left. And I got attitude because I'm not gonna pay for law school. And I never said I was paying for law school.

Brandy (65:02)

I don't think you should.

Ben Mandelker (65:03)

And me and him were going back and forth, and Cecil was silent, too. And I just get tired of being the bad cop all by myself all the time. And I just got. I just need a break from the people that last night went so hard. I just. I just need a break.

Brandy (65:20)

I gotta congratulate hookah lounges for still being a thing. Like, how is that still something? That is a thing. Like, I can't believe that has lasted. Who knew? But you know what? I didn't believe bottled water would be a thing either, back in the day.

Ben Mandelker (65:35)

Yeah. Really? I'm very sensitive to the smell of, like, fruity things. I hate the smell of fruity. And the fruity smoke, it's like, a lot of incense is very, like, like, hard for me. And so a lot of. And hookah lounges are very, very fruity smelling. So I instinctively am just like, you know, and I just sort of like. I just like. It's like, I really have a hard time with hookah lounges.

Brandy (65:57)

So then Brandy comes, and it's her birthday. She's 42, and she's like, my hubby surprised me. He was like, invite your friends. I'm gonna pay for you guys to eat, drink, and have a good night. He's paying. Yeah. And it's like, oh, so your husband did this for you. But Contessa's husband did not do it for her. So do you think that you should tone it down a little bit in front of people?

Ben Mandelker (66:19)

What? She goes, look, I can't tone it down because my man is my man. I mean, I got a good man. But also, I think that she's like, guys, drinks on me, right? Like, I don't think this is a. A crazy, ostentatious moment. She's like, yeah, my husband said they're coming for Contessa.

Brandy (66:32)

They're just gonna lay down this groundwork the whole time. Time. So then the other ladies come, and Tori is like, don't. Don't feel at the dress, y'.

Ben Mandelker (66:42)

All.

Brandy (66:42)

You look just fine. Jackie. Look at Jackie. And she's like, some of us are.

Ben Mandelker (66:46)

Professional women because Toya's wearing, like, a Chanel. Like, a shiny Chanel shirt or something like that.

Brandy (66:52)

But it's not even. It's not even just that it's Chanel. It's literally sequined. Sequined logo. This is Chanel across. It looks like she bought that in Times Square.

Ben Mandelker (67:01)

It looks ridiculous.

Brandy (67:03)

And it's like, oh, I'm the only one who got labels now. And weren't you just complaining that somebody was spending too much money on their birthday party? You are wearing one of the dumbest T shirts I've ever seen.

Ben Mandelker (67:12)

Yeah, congrats on wearing your overpriced, expensive designer wear to a smoky bar that's designed to be smoky and, like, fragrantly smoky. So then. Because. So then Jack is. Well, some of us professional women have more places to go than a party. I was like, oh, so you're saying that the women that walked in aren't professional? She goes, I'm just talking about you, Toya.

Brandy (67:43)

If professional bees being you, then I want to be me. And she's like, well, I don't want to be you. Okay, well, that's all I'm saying. Okay, okay. We took over. It's Brandy's birthday, so look, first let's get off some shots.

Ben Mandelker (67:54)

Shots.

Brandy (67:54)

And Heavenly is like, well, her man is paying for this. So he said I can have all the shots I wanted. That's what he said. Sorry, Contessa. I'm sorry, Contessa, I'm sorry you didn't get any shots paid for you for your birthday. But I got some shots right now from her husband.

Ben Mandelker (68:07)

And Brandy is like, he did. He said, you can have all the shots. I love this. At Cadessa's party, I feel like we didn't get a chance to really kick it. And Cadessa's like, well, you know, that's the only negative about having a party is that you just don't get to spend quality time with everyone. That's why the next day I did a brunch and I said, if I didn't get a chance to hug you, please come to the house. And I literally cooked from like 10 o' clock to the morning until, you know, 9 o' clock in the evening. And they're like, what? And Toya's like, where was who do.

Brandy (68:36)

You know this stays at a brunch for, for 11 hours. My friends want to be at my house for 11 hours. You kidding? Who did you invite?

Ben Mandelker (68:46)

That was passive aggressive cooking. That was her being like, let's see how long I can cook before Scott offers to take over or to of, you know, ordering food. And so he of course did nothing. And so she sat there cooking until 9 o', clock, making pancake after pancake.

Brandy (68:59)

Yeah, but also, I don't want to celebrate you two days in a row. You know what I mean? Like, you had your party, glad it was fun. It's over now. Let's all go back to real life where it's not your birthday every day. So they said, well, where was Scott the next day? He can cook. And she's like, oh, he was outside smoking cigars, of course. But you know what? It's okay. I really enjoy taking care of people. Yeah, but who's going to take care of you? She goes, you know what? I think paying for that party was Scott taking, taking care of me. So that was his way.

Ben Mandelker (69:26)

Brandy's like, okay, hello. Hi. Sorry. I. I just want to bring it back to me for a second. It's my birthday, you know. And Toy's like, no, not for a second. It's a whole night. It's your birthday. And she goes, well, my husband and kids are on the phone. So while everyone look and she brings up they're on FaceTime, she goes, this is my husband and all my kids. They just want. And so they want to say thank you. And everyone's like, oh, thank you, guys. And Contessa is like, happy birthday, Brandy. This is an amazing party. And Randy keeps on saying, like, thank you over and over again to, like, her kids, like, okay, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Which in my mind I thought was her way of being like, okay, we're gonna wrap this up. Thank you again. Okay, bye, guys. Bye. Bye. You know when you do that. But then they're like, why is she saying thank you so many times? What's wrong with her? She's saying thank you so much.

Brandy (70:16)

Well, she is. I mean, look, I will agree with Contessa that it is getting a little like, okay, I've got my whole family on the phone. Okay, say thanks to my family everybod. Because you're getting your free drinks and your free dance. Like, it is a little weird. It's a little over the top than just being like, okay, come to my birthday. And I picked it up, of course, because I'm hosting a birthday party for myself and I'm an adult. You know, it's like, okay, let's thank him again. Let's thank him. Let's keep thanking him. And part of me was like, well, aren't you. You own your own business, so it's not like you're poor and your husband's just giving you this money. Don't you have a joint account? Like, what's happening here? But I didn't think she was being mean spirited or anything, but it felt a little weird. And now they've been kind of attacking. Well, I don't want to say attacking, but they've been coming for Contessa and hinting at her relationship sucking. And so she's like, well, happy birthday, Brandy. Yeah, this is an amazing dinner party. But, you know, can we pray to God, or do we have to pray to your husband for thanking him for the food as well? And then heavenly gives her first evil heavenly hyena cackle of the evening.

Ben Mandelker (71:29)

It's like, it's so. It's so.

Brandy (71:32)

So. Hot dog showed up outside my house. I was like, go away, go away. It was so high.

Ben Mandelker (71:40)

It was very, very big. So. So she laughs because she loves that. Contessa just sort of clocked Brandy. And Brandi goes, okay, well, you're in your feelings. That's okay. That goes well, no we're thinking all these husbands a lot, and these husbands are getting a lot of credit for some basic. Like, he's buying you your drinks and your dinner. I think you can say thank you.

Brandy (72:01)

Not that. Don't do that, Contessa. Don't do that. I mean, we're in a strip mall, not a plaza. Okay. And she's like, well, here's the thing. My husband paid for this, and he's paid for everybody to come and have a good night. And my husband's amazing. So I give my husband props, and I'll tell anybody. So I'm sorry that you couldn't say that if it's a problem for you or anything, anybody else. And she's like, well, I think you guys are the problem because did you hear my husband complain one minute about how much money that was spent? And because the only thing that my husband did not do was plan it. But I'll be honest. If he would have done this for my first birthday party, I would have been underwhelmed. I mean, this isn't really even a birthday party, in my opinion.

Ben Mandelker (72:37)

Okay.

Brandy (72:37)

And that's where she just. Oh, no. They baited you, and you immediately fell in. They've been baiting you. Why are you falling into this?

Ben Mandelker (72:45)

Is. Well, I mean, let's. And also her saying that, like, if. If he had done this for my first birthday, I'm like, well, you're 50, so, like, the fact that he actually is not. I'll tell you what he did for your first birthday. Nothing. The past several years.

Brandy (72:58)

Yeah. So you were. You were underwhelmed and hungry. Yeah.

Ben Mandelker (73:04)

So. So, yeah, she totally. Now she's spiraling because she's obviously so unhappy in her marriage, and she's so unhappy that Scott did nothing. And she was trying to act like she didn't care, but now she's totally unraveling. And Brandy's like, okay, this is getting out of hand. Okay. This is a dinner. Okay. This is a dinner night. Brandy. Okay. Brandy spent zero. My husband paid for it. And Cadessa's like, oh, well, I just. I brought some money just in case. Don't worry. So I can pay for it. And she brings out, like, this change purse with, like, lots of cash in it, which means that she was already ready to get. She was already upset because she brought this cat. No one brings cat that much cash around unless they know they have a certain reason to spend it. This is. We're essentially in a cashless economy. We're moved towards that. And you're only Bringing cash out for certain specific things, I believe. And so I bring out a bunch.

Brandy (73:51)

I saw two twenties. I mean.

Ben Mandelker (73:53)

Oh, it looked like a. It looked like a lot more to me than that. I mean, I don't know. Maybe I just projected it.

Brandy (73:57)

Thanks for offering the 20 for the bill, Contessa. What the hell?

Ben Mandelker (74:01)

Thousand dollars. But either way, I was like, you were prepared for this? You were prepared to come up with a bad attitude? And so Brandy's like, well, why do you have that money? She's like, and so it's like, you brought. You brought all your birthday money.

Brandy (74:16)

And she's like, well, we have joint bank. Joint bank account. I have access. And Mimi's like, okay, put your point your coin purse back, okay? Nobody needs to see that. And Quad's like, the shade is real, baby. Quad's loving it.

Ben Mandelker (74:32)

And so. And Brandy's like, yeah, the shade's very real. Well, Contessa was upset. She goes, well, what was I upset about? About? About Scott not throwing a party for you. And I don't know why you forgot. You forgot that he didn't throw you a party.

Brandy (74:46)

Well, why is it this paternalistic world where some man has to throw some shit for me? I make just as much money as him. And so this is where Heavenly is like, okay, well, not only does Contessa complain about Scott to her friends, and then she switches her story and she gets mad at you, if you remember what she said the day before. And now I've learned to just accept. Accept it. Just stay out of her if you know any better. Now I just hint at other people to say it. Then I watch them fight. And Contessa's like, why are we focusing on the negative? Contessa, you start. You are the one focusing on the negative. Oh, no, you started it.

Ben Mandelker (75:21)

These. And so Toya's like, all we are saying is that at the end of the day. At the end of the day, you.

Brandy (75:29)

Get nothing for nothing. And that's all. That's all that daddy can say. For the love of the daddy.

Ben Mandelker (75:36)

That's right. I let you complain all the time about your husband. She goes, well, you complain all the time about your husband, and it's not right now. Can we move on? Where the. Is the cake?

Brandy (75:49)

So Angel's like, this might be normal behavior for everybody. I guess that's what I'm learning. And then they probably will just start hugging and laughing. And then sure enough, they're like, okay, hugs, laughs. They're all laughing like, everything's fine now. And so Simone's like, well, do you think that there is ever a time where maybe you are frustrated? And Emily goes, we all are. Just be quiet. Heavenly. Oh, sorry. And contest is like, listen, we've been married 20 years and if I spent all the time focusing on the negatives, I would be like, my girlfriends who are out here still singing single, which is the worst thing known to man, a single woman. So maybe at 30 years he's gonna do some of those things that I've asked for. And she goes, oh, I've been married for 29 years. He is not gonna do anything, trust me.

Ben Mandelker (76:42)

I was like, I was like, please enlighten her, Simone. Cadessa's like, so, yes, it would be nice sometimes if he bought me a Rolls Royce, you know, or something like that. But you know, I like the ring better. And quads like, well, some people here are married and don't even want to be married anymore. And marriages isn't that cuz Quad is like, I have them. I have the ring and the Rolls Royce, baby, baby. Simone's like, Simone's like, well, quad, who here doesn't want to be married anymore other than me? And they're like, what?

Brandy (77:17)

What?

Ben Mandelker (77:17)

Yes you do, Simone. You want to be married. She's like, you have no idea.

Brandy (77:22)

Don't say that. Don't say, do not make us spend another four hour reunion fighting about you and Cecil, please.

Ben Mandelker (77:32)

But Simone is like, oh, you don't understand how angry I am at this guy. And that's where it ends. Are they gonna get divorced? Is it heading to divorce again?

Brandy (77:43)

I don't know. I don't think they're gonna get divorced. But those I. I hope that she just goes back in there and calmly says, you have proven to me that you are a spoiled little. And guess what? I was going to help you out with college and now I'm not. So good luck getting your life together. And you're lucky I'm still paying your rent and your Jeep. So if you still want those, you'll shut the fuck up, okay? And get a job.

Ben Mandelker (78:05)

Well, that's where we end it. Everyone, thanks so much for being here. We will catch you later today and also all throughout the entire week. Have a great one everyone. Bye. Watch what Crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors. Ain't no thing like Alison King. It's always a party on Alison Block.

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