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Well, hello and welcome to Crappy Hour. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben over there. Hi, Ben.
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Hi, Ronnie. What's going on?
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Tell us what's going on tonight with you, you little buttercup.
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Well, I am very excited because a, it's always fun to do Crappy Hour. This is our Last 1 of 2025. Another year has passed, but we are sending out the year with a big bang. A big old bang. First of all, there's actually some really good headlines, which we will get to a little bit later. But first we have to welcome to the stage a very important person. Please welcome writer, cookbook impresario, and general icon, Alison Roman. Hi, Alison.
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Hi. Hello.
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Welcome to Crappins.
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I'm so happy to be here.
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Yeah, we're so excited to have you. I own. You're one of the only cookbooks I own.
C
What a thrill. What prompted you to buy one cookbook?
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Well, because I got obsessed with you over Covid and learned how to cook so many of your recipes. And also I had started so late with you that I got to see so much of your evolution. Your different apartments, stressed out in so many different tiny kitchens.
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I will be stressed out in any. Any four walls. Put me anywhere and I'll stress out, and it sucks.
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Nice stress room.
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Big.
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And I guess we should. We should promote your new cookbook. By the way, you didn't even ask us to do this. But I'm doing it. Especially because I, coincidentally am wearing the matching book.
C
You're both, like, matching it.
B
Actually, this was not even planned. I just put this on because it was like the closest sweater to put on today. And then I was like, guess what? I'm wearing the colors for something from nothing, which is like the sweater. But this is your cookbook that just came out like about a month ago, right?
C
Yeah, it's like basically a month ago, which feels like it's been out for 5, 000 years because you talk about it for so long, but like, yes, it technically speaking came out November 11th.
B
So just fun fact about this, this book came out November 11th. And then like two days later, we went off to BravoCon and I literally brought this to BravoCon. I'm like, you know, my new Alison Roman cookbook is here. And I'm just like, not going to go off to Vegas and let that thing sit back there. So I was literally on the plane to. With like, cast members. Like, like Nick, Danny and Nia from the Valley were on the plane. And like, there were some other people. Jen Festler from Real House House, New Jersey. I'm like, I don't care that there's Bravo liberties on this plane. I literally brought this on the flight to Vegas and I sat there reading it to get my.
C
Makes me so happy. I. You know, it's funny. I feel like there's probably no place safer for me than like bravocon. Like, I can't. I feel like the. The crossover is. Is nary. You know, like you are the crossover. Like this. Is this the center of the Venn diagram. But like, most. Yeah, most reality, like celebrity genre type people, I feel like are not dipping into my. Whatever. You know what I mean? What I have to ask. Yeah, my, uh.
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I think there's like a lot of Bravo fans that are Alison Roman fans for sure.
C
Yeah. Bravo fans for sure, but not Bravo le. What do you call them? Bravo liberties. Yeah.
B
Well, the whole reason why we, like, created this while we. While we reached out to you is because I saw a picture of you with Heather Gay from.
C
I was gonna say Heather Gay is the one exception, but I think she sort of found out who I was, like, tangentially, like through friends and was like, she seems awesome versus, like, oh, my God, the stew. You know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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So you might.
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Which I'll take. She took my breath away. I mean, really. Yeah. She's amazing. I love it.
B
Yeah. So no other Bravo liberties have ever really reached out to you or anything like that?
C
No. But did. I probably didn't. I don't think I said this at the LA show, but where. Ben, you were famously. But I did. I was Approached in, I want to say, summer of 2020 or 2021. It may have been 2021. Yeah, 2021. I was approached to. I was asked if I would consider perhaps auditioning.
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Yay. I was going to ask you. You would be perfect for this cast.
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It's not. I would be so bad.
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No, you would be perfect because this one isn't like loony, cartoony older women like it has been for years. This one's like, they're like younger influencer, cool chicks.
C
Yeah. But I would. I would so not fit in, and I would get in so much trouble because I just would not. I couldn't. I don't think I could handle it.
A
No. That's what it's about. Yeah. They break you down, Allison. They would break you down because you'd get too rattled and then they'd build you up. You'd. You'd become a superstar. Telling you, do it, do it.
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Do you think. Do you think you'd be too honest and you'd hurt people's feelings, or do you think people would be, like, mean to you and you would cry?
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Probably neither. Because I. I'm smart enough to not, like, quote, be too honest. Even, like, in the, in the, like, room, or it's just you and the kid. It's like, no, of course that's not. You can't say anything there either. You can't say anything anywhere. But I think that I would. I would quickly, like, get worn down in the spiritual level. Like, I would be like, this is not. And I can't be myself. And I'm a bird with wings that are clipped and I have to fly, and I can't fly here.
A
No. They clip your wings on that channel and then your wings come back bigger and stronger.
C
You know, maybe, you know, Honestly, in like 20 years, maybe that's my final form. But. But right now I have too much living to do. I have too much living to do in our current whatever, you know?
B
Yeah, it would. Bravo would definitely. You're right. It would. Like.
C
It would.
B
Bravo is not known for elevating people's spirits, like, making them spiritually grow. It definitely is like a one way direction that you go in once you're on Bravo. It's definitely like, spiritually downward, you know, downward spiral in many different ways. So it definitely requires a certain sort of fortitude. But like Ronnie said, if you can, like, get through that, you can.
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Yeah.
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As an interesting form afterwards.
C
Yeah. I think I would just stick out, really. I. I think it's like, I was kind of shocked. I wasn't insulted, but I was surprised that somebody thought that that would be a good fit for me.
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I wasn't insulted. You care?
C
I was.
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Yeah. I think it's like. I think it's like one of those movies about basic training, you know, like an army mov. Like, whatever, on your knee. And they'll, like, scream at you and, like, beat you and run through the rain. And then you come back and you're like, colin, what's his buns in that CIA movie where he's, like, all hot and then he can see out the side of his eyes.
C
Yeah, that's me. Which one am I? Am I the guy with.
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You haven't got the basic training. Well, you've kind of been. Because you've had controversy before. I mean, you had to weather, like, a total shitstorm, and you came out stronger after that, it seems.
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Yeah. And I think, like, having, like, knowing what the Internet does to you no matter what you say. Like, I wrote a newsletter once about, like, feeding my baby lentil soup, and the comments section were like, of course you're feeding it. I was like, what? Like, what are we doing here? Like, you'll take the most lovely thing and, like, turn it into whatever. Like, do you remember that? Remember that? The woman on Twitter that was like, I love having coffee with my husband in my backyard every morning. It's so nice. And everyone's like, oh, must be nice. Like, cool life lady. Like, people were so mad at her, and she's like, what are we saying.
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To post in this economy?
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Exactly. Yeah. So, you know, God bless. God bless anyone. We wouldn't know anything about the arena. I. I'm in the arena not because it's where I want to be, but because of. It's where I am.
A
Yeah, it's just where it's where you were meant to be. Yeah. Because I was going to say the comment. Just reading comments on YouTube videos, on cooking videos, and not just yours, but I think universally people just are so nasty. Even cooking vlogs that are. Some of the nicest people you see are like, I made this brownie for my children.
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Like, your brownie sucks. You're killing your children.
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You know, they're horrible. They can be horrible, you know? Yeah.
C
I think that it's, like, a very interesting place that we are at as a society because it's very freeing for people to be their worst self when there are no consequences. And the Internet is a playground of no consequences. Like, you can hop on and say the worst things you've Ever thought. And no one even has to know that it's you. You can. You can be the worst version of yourself publicly. And some people, like, I guess, really need that release. Yeah, I personally don't feel that way.
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You know what's freeing is when you can be your worst self on the Internet and people do know it's you. That's what I do every day.
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It's yourself.
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Because that's.
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I can be. I have been at times. Yeah.
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I am jealous of people that, like, feel that way and, like, behave that way. Not that I'm not, like, fighting, like, terrible impulses, but it's more just like my whole, like, I. I feel like in another life, I would be a restaurant critic because I feel like I have really good opinions on restaurants and what makes them good or bad, but I could never tell people why I think a restaurant is bad. I could never think.
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If you were to, like. Yeah, if you were to. If you were to, like, weigh in on some restaurants, people would just be like, you think. Because you've already established yourself as a food writer. People. It's like, actually, like, incredible poor form. It's like, well, how. How dare she say that?
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Because.
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No, no, no, no. I just think. I think it has. No. Nothing to do with me. It has everything to do with just being a person on the Internet to have an opinion. And if you're like, here's what I think. People will be like, well, here's why you're wrong, or, here's why that's insensitive. Or, here's why you're not considering X, Y, and Z. It's like, okay, you know, it's. It's like a battle. It's like you have to, like, mentally prepare yourself for, like, the most intense battle of your life. When I did Subway Takes, I. I thought what my subway take was, was, like, pretty unimpeachable. I was like, I need to have a Subway take so ironclad that, like, nobody can, like, come at me for it. Like, nobody can. Can find a way to turn it into something negative. And my take was, we know too many people.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And. And what I. Of course, what I meant by that is, like, there's. There's too many open channels. I mean, you guys, this. This is a. The show is a great example. We know too many people. Like, we. We have so much information about so many people's lives that, like, it floods our brain. And, like, would we be better off if we.
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And what was the bad. What was the bad response? Like, what were the.
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Oh, I mean, most. It was honestly, like, overwhelmingly positive. It was honestly best case scenario. Most people agreed and was like, yeah, it's actually great take. But of course, some people are like, that's just the. What? What is it? There's like a Ferber. Not fervor. That's the cry baby cry. There's like a sort of like.
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Like a fervor.
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No, it's like a. It's like a theory. Like a person's theory that's like, we're only meant to know a hundred people and it's a very old. Someone's like, well, that's just that there. But repack it. And like. But of course you're talking about social media, but not about, like, real community. We get to know your neighbors. Go talk to your neighbors. It was like this whole thing and that's horrible.
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I've neighbors, trust me, it was terrible. Don't take.
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Was it.
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I like, for the most. For. For a lot of. A lot of. A lot of them. I mean, some of them are cool, but a lot of them are like, no. And I don't want, you know, any knowing anything about me. And I don't want notes in my mailbox about where my trash is. You know, like, it's too close.
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Where is your tr. Oh, yeah, we don't.
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Like, when.
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That's how I find out that sometimes the trash isn't getting picked up that next day. Because my neighbors.
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I definitely, like, in terms of, like, knowing too much about too many people, I definitely have to say, like, it makes me sad that, like, I feel like I know more about someone who's on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season 5 through 7 than I do anything I learned in college. Like, there's so much. So much.
C
That's what I'm saying. Our braids are.
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Yeah. I used to know the best stuff are cocktail parties, and now I do find that I go to a cocktail party and I'm kind of like, nodding along and like, waiting for someone to mention something about Bravo or Love Island. Yeah.
C
Like, yeah, we're aging.
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Yeah. Aging. Yeah, there's that.
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And it doesn't matter how old you are. We're all aging. You know what I mean?
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Yeah. And I'll meet anybody at this point, as long as I can just sit down, like, I'm fine with how many other people there are. I mean, the whole thing about don't know too many people. I actually kind of like the oversaturation because I'm finding that the more people, you know, the more you realize that everybody's kind of the same, like, there's maybe 20 different kinds of people, you know, and then, you know, we have like, little things that switch us up. But I think it's almost easier to understand people once you realize we're all kind of similar. No. Or do you not think we are?
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No, I think we are. But I think that that's when you get into a trap of like, clocking someone immediately and being like, well, you're this type of person and you're the type of person.
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Oh, yeah.
C
You know what I mean? Like, it feels like, but, but the older you get, the more you allow yourself to be surprised, I think, by like, oh, you know, I had a really nice time, or like, oh, you know, who's really cool, so and so when you don't suspect that you're going to allow yourself to have your heart, be open to any more connections and.
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Then think though, that like, as we get older, we also kind of naturally pare down the groups of people that we're in. Like, when I was younger, I was. Well, I just wanted it. I was like, I want. I was like, it was so exciting to have friends in all these different groups. I was like, oh, my God, I know these people and I know these people and I know these people. And I was like, so excited to be welcomed in by all these groups. And then as you get older, you sort of realize, like, the people that you just want to hang out with are the people you want to hang out with and that. And like, your circle gets just shrinks. And like, that's actually, to me, has been my favorite part of like actually being in my 40s is learning that, you know, like, it's nice to have all these people in your life, but the ones that really matter are the ones that you're going to be like, calling up on like a Friday night and that's all you really need.
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Yeah, we know too many people.
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Yeah. So shut it through that. Well, we really got, we really got into. Well, speaking of friends, I do actually want to like, talk about TV related things because you, you actually have not watched too much. Bravo. You're a love is blind girly, right?
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I am, yeah. Which is not right.
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But that's, you know, it's, it's still like of the, of the universe tv. And so what I, I really wanted to ask you questions about when you do have those friends over, like, do you have any recommendations on, like, putting out a spread for TV watching?
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How many people are you with?
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Well, let's say, let's start with like just a group of like three to four people. Let's say it's just like a standard episode and you're just coming over on like a Tuesday night and you want to. You just have some friends over, but you want like a little bit of food for them. Like what kind of vibe do you think you're going for?
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Well, my question to you is, are you, is this dinner? And that has to be the question you ask yourself. Like, is this like an. An 8:30pm start, meaning you've already eaten and that's not my problem. And I'll just have some like, maybe some like cute popcorn and like a cocktail and like whatever. Or is this like a 6 o'? Clock?
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I think it's. I think it's 8:30. I think 8:30.
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No dinner.
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Start time.
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No dinner.
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Dinner.
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Yeah, yeah, but you need a color first of all.
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Tell them, you know what?
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Yeah, you know what I mean, I'm.
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Too late for my food.
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Just be like, come, don't come hungry. Like feed yourself, don't come hungry. You know, say it in a nicer way than that. But if I was invited over to watch TV at 8:30, I would be like, are we eating together or not?
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Because what time do you normally eat dinner, by the way?
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Anywhere from 6:30 to 8:30. But 8:30 could be like if people get off work late, et cetera, et cetera. It's like, yeah, come over at 8:30, we'll order pizza or takeout or I made a roast chicken or whatever or. So do you come over at 8:30 for TV and some snacks?
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Yeah, sort of snacks. Do you think is that like a crudite moment? Like a vegetable moment? Like a.
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Because nobody wants crudite after dinner.
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Yeah, that's really.
C
You want like a little popcorn and like, like a Tony's Chocolonely bar.
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Oh yeah.
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You know what I mean?
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Love that font. I love the on that bar.
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And like several types of beverages. So alcohol, non alcohol. We need like lots of fizzy water and perhaps some wine. Yeah, yeah, we don't need any hard cocktails. It's Tuesday, for Christ's sake.
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Yeah, I think we keep saying Mongolian cashmere so much when we're talking about Quince that that's what I went for too. I got a Mongolian cashmere hoodie, like a camel colored hoodie. And it's comfortable and it is.
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Yes, there's dip, there's. Then there's vegetables and crudite. There's like one to two types of chips. There's like cheese. Yeah, I don't need like a ton of meat at that hour. But like, cheese is nice, especially if.
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There'S still going to be like a dinner option.
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We don't need some like olives and peppers and anchovies and like little potato chips would be really nice.
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Oh, you love your anchovies.
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You know, that was gonna make an appearance yeah.
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Yeah.
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You love them.
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Yeah.
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You also got me really into dill.
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And leeks and leaks. Okay.
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Yeah. I make a potato leek soup that you.
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That's right. You do.
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All the time.
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I'm so glad.
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And bullion.
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I use better than bullion. Yeah. I'm trying to work with them. I'm like, do you guys wanna figure something out yet?
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That's crazy.
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Some brands either don't care, don't have the money, but mostly don't care. Like, they're gonna be doing just fine without me. Like, they don't. They're not like, oh, wow, Alison Roman wrote about us. Like, they're.
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Yeah. But, like, you're here pretty huge, and you're a huge champion of that stuff. I use it all the time now. It's, like, different.
C
It's like, it takes, like, one person on their team to be like, we should pay attention to this and do something.
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Yeah.
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That's wild. I mean, you literally wrote it in your book about it in your book, and this is, like, a.
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For no money. That was a free advertisement. Because I truly am passionate about the product.
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Yeah.
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I am. I am a recent better than bullion convert from last year when my. My parents were in town for Passover, and we were gonna make. We had. We needed to make chicken stock, and, like, something had gone wrong, like, too many carrots in the chicken stock. So it was, like, very sweet. So we had to get some better. Yeah, I know. I know. It was terrible. And so we had to get some better than bullion. And I was like, this stuff is so good, and I've been using it ever since.
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Yeah.
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It's like, to me, there's no replacement for, like, chicken broth, chicken stock, for, like, mozzarella soup and chicken soup, but for other soups where, like, there's tons of other stuff going on. Don't waste your nice chicken broth for that.
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Yeah, Yeah. I. I. Well, I have to. I have to say, your salad from Nothing Fancy, that's. That is. In my group, we just call it the salad, which is your baby jam. Baby jam with the lemon and pistachio. Pistachios. Like, that's the salad. That's just pretty. That's just it. Then, like, literally been eating it for, like, five years straight. I just want to know you've made a huge salad contribution.
C
I'm so glad.
B
Household. Yeah. Which is. It's a very big deal. It's a very, very big deal.
A
Allison, are you still on tour?
C
No, thank God.
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You just finished.
C
Yeah. You can My voice is still kind of gone, but I. I got back last Sunday, and so this past weekend was the first weekend that we were home.
A
Oh, nice. Congrats.
C
Thank you.
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Congratulations.
C
Where am I? What time is it? Like, how is December? Halfway over.
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Like, yeah.
C
I'm so tired.
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Like, a nice ending right before a new beginning, new chapter.
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Yeah, I. I was sort of like, okay, I'm gonna, like, really, like, cruise into December and like, instead of December being super crazy and manic, I'm like, feel like I'm on vacation a little bit.
A
That's good. You're, like, chilling. Chilling through. This has been amazing talking to you. I really love talking to you. Thank you so, so much for coming over.
C
Are we breaking up?
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Thanks for visiting.
A
Yeah, we're done.
B
No, this is just. This is. This is not good.
C
Like, was I bad? I'm just kidding. I was like, I'm tired. Goodbye.
B
No, no, no. Like, you're. You're like, this. I wasn't supposed to have any more press to do then. This is one more thing.
C
No, I wanted to do it. I love you guys.
B
We totally appreciate you coming on. I think it's so awesome that you are killing it with these cookbooks and, like, your recipes are amazing and everyone should go check out something for nothing from nothing. And also your sub stack.
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And yeah, it's not something for nothing.
C
Do people be like, and I left sub stack. But you could still. It doesn't matter because you can still just subscribe to the newsletter. Yeah.
B
Well, I love this actually, by the way, at your LA show, which was awesome, you talked about, like, cookbooks now versus when you first started and how, like, a lot of the recipes are digitally are. Are digital, but they're in here. And I think, actually, I love. I love having a cookbook with the recipes in here because I cannot stand having my phone in the kitchen and you're trying to follow a recipe and then the phone goes to sleep, and then you got to wake up your phone and you've got. You got on your finger and sleeping your phone to wake up. It's like, no, just give me a book.
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Yeah, you're like, where that recipe? Like, am I searching my inbox? Am I googling? Is it behind a paywall? Like, what the hell's going on here?
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Yeah, I appreciate.
B
So, yeah, love this. I might actually have one last question, which is you had a. You dressed up as Ina Garten for Halloween. Did Queen Ina reach out to you at all?
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She did not reach out to me, but we share a Publicist for our publisher. She's really her publicist, but she's. I guess she's mine too. But really she's Ina's and she's also my neighbor. And so I ran into her on Halloween and I was like, oh my God, you got to send a picture. She's like, I will send her a picture. And apparently she wrote back. Haha. I love it.
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Just saying.
C
I think we're pretty close now.
A
Yeah.
B
You know, I once saw Miguel, her florist in lax, and I literally stopped him. And I was like, I love your show.
C
I'm just that. You know who that is. Like enough to say.
B
Exactly. Exactly.
C
Incredible.
B
Anyway, thank you so much for being on here. We really appreciate it. Everyone go check out Allison's books, of which there are many, and we hope you get some nice rest and relaxation.
C
Going to sleep right now. 9:00 clock over here.
B
Thanks, Alison, so much.
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Thank you.
A
Bye. Bye.
B
Well, that was fun.
A
How lovely.
B
Oh my gosh, you guys, I think I controlled myself. I think I did not think.
A
Did a really good job. Yeah, you did. You did a. You were very nice and chill. Although I know you're probably looking up listings in New York to go move for a while.
B
I'm like, she lives next door to Ina Gartens. Like, whoa. The amount of greatness in that. In that little space right there.
A
And Ben is out of here, everybody.
B
Well, one thing that we didn't mention, which we. Which we didn't mention, is that like, she said that she has a lot of friends who listen to crappin. So shout out to Alison Roman's friends. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening to our show because that's. That's super cool. But anyway.
A
All right, so everybody, thanks. This is, you know, we do talk Bravo news and stuff, but I mean, come on, you. You get a chance to talk to Alison Roman, you take it. You take it.
B
Yeah. Also, I love. I love everyone in the. In the comments, like, you did great, Ben. You did great. It was like everyone was like, it's like, you know when, like, you know when you see parents with like a kid and there's like a famous, like a quarterback or something, and the parents put their kid forward to meet the quarterback and the quarterback like signs it like, I feel like you guys are all my parents, but like, go ahead.
A
You're doing great, Colleen. All right, let's get on. That was some Bravo news for the day. Shall we? One of the big things that happened in the past couple of weeks is that below deck star Fraser Oleander says he was rushed to the hospital after suffering a heart attack because of vape poisoning at BravoCon. So glad he's doing okay. I mean, I got to hand it to the guy. He. He almost died, but he's posting thirst traps all over that hospital. I haven't seen one picture of him that's not like. Or like, shirtless, showing off his six pack.
B
I've never seen so many hospital thirst trap photos, especially after a heart attack. It's very impressive.
A
Yeah, it really is. He's looking hot with the heart attack. No one with a heart attack has ever looked this hot. Actually, I would say I'm going to show you this picture that I've just.
B
Got to show it.
A
Oh, go ahead. You show yours.
B
You show it, you show it. Yours is probably farther along than mine are shirt.
A
Mine isn't like one of the shirtless ones. But this is the TMZ on. On X picture that he posted.
B
But then click through. Click through onto tmz and there's like another thirst trap that he has.
A
Oh, I clicked the picture. Okay, let's go look at it tmz.
B
And then scroll down. My vape gave me a heart attack.
A
You know, but also, it was bravo con. And I know a lot of those guys were, you know, doing more than just vaping. So let me just say I don't want to villainize the vape even more than it needs to, as I've got one sitting right here. It's my life support animal. Okay, so I'm kind of mad at this vape slander, but, you know, if he almost died, then whatever. You. You look great, though. I mean, just hot. I do not believe it was just a vape, but you.
B
This happened. Actually. Look at this. He's ridiculous. I've never. I've literally never seen such, like, hot heart attack photos.
A
It says heart attack only fans to people who are, like, really into, like, I don't know, hospital porn or whatever. Why is this doing this?
B
I mean, look, I. I think I'm You. You do you. Everyone does what they want in their lives. Everything that I've heard about, like, vapes has not been great, personally. Like, it sounds like there's a lot of stuff that comes into your body, but, like, this is. This is wild. This happened. It says he. This happened. And he had. He suffered spasms, which reduced blood flow to his heart, and he suffered a heart attack. This is what is reported in tmz. And he was in London, and medical specialists in London told him the vape Was the culprit after spending a week in the hospital, severe chest pains and difficulty breathing. Is this something that's, like, known about vaping? Is this, like a thing that happens with vaping? Because this.
A
I just smoked for so long. I smoked for so many years, and that was, I mean, there's just such a noticeable difference for me. I'm not like, hacking up all the time. You don't think. I mean, it's just a huge difference to me. But that is someone who's smoked for years and years. So to me, it's, it's better. But, I mean, I don't know what it does to a nice pair of clean lungs. Who knows? I mean, who knows? But, you know, he's okay now, so that's all that's important. And he's hot, so I guess that's what really counts.
B
Guys, someone in the comments says, ronnie, life is horror and pain at this point. If the vape takes us, it's how our ancestors would want us to go. So.
A
Amen. You know, there have been worse things to be taken by. So next up, let's see. What do you want to talk about? I already said one.
B
Wait. I, I, I, you know, I, I hate to do this, but I feel like it has to be addressed because we've gotten so many messages about this. We just have to face it head on because it's the worst thing. This weekend was, like, the worst weekend. And every time I turned on the news, something else terrible happened. We just have to address it, which is the horrific. Sorry. I know I'm sitting here with a smile on my face because I'm, like, trying to be like, we're fun. We're a fun crappy hour. But, like, the Rob Reiner situation is so tragic. And then, of course, everyone messaged us. Being like, the first thing I thought about was the Valley. And I felt terrible because the first thing I thought of was Michelle Lally. And I was like, I am a terrible, terrible person. But, like, wow. Yes, it is. We acknowledge that there. We, like, of course, like our one random celebrity ongoing joke. But obviously we're not, like, we're not the victims here. But that is so sad and so terrible.
A
Yeah, we joke that the director that Michelle was supposedly sleeping with at the Chateau Marmont was Rob Reiner. Like, that was just our joke. So, you know, we made this joke now for two years, and then it comes out that he passed away and what a horrible way to go. I mean, they were killed by their son. Their son, I guess, has had A lot of problems with drugs and stuff like that. And I guess the whole thing's terrible. Kill them. Yeah. We don't want the president comes out on a huge rant against him calling being horrible, you know, since this world. I can't.
B
It's just. It's awful. We don't want to dwell on that because that's like real life news.
A
Yeah, thanks, man.
B
I know, but I feel like people are going to be like, people have been like messaging, like, you're gonna say something, you're gonna say something. So we are acknowledging and like, yes, we are aware of the Michelle Lolly and the Michelle lawliness of it all, which is not a real thing. Just.
A
It really does show how selfish I am though, because I read the story and I was like, oh, my God, that is so sad for us. I mean, what the hell? Like the darkest show on tv. Now we can't even joke about that, you know, but it does. I feel like in a way we hurt him because it was the, you know, we joked about that on the darkest show on tv. Which can't be good luck. But, you know, God bless them, you know.
B
God bless. Yeah. There are many tragedies this weekend, but, you know, just highlighting that out because the random ass connection to this podcast. So now let's go.
A
Hell, while we're on one. Why. Why not just keep it depressing. We'll go to the Nathan post after what happened at Bondi.
B
Yeah, like, okay, bye, Alice, it was great talking to you about snacks. Okay. Frazier had a heart attack from vap. Guys, don't vape. Rob Reiner died and there was a horror. There's a terror attack in Bondage.
A
The world is a dark place right now. What do you want from us? So Nathan from below deck Med, for those of you who don't watch it, he's like sweet seeming kind of not great on there. And you know, there was a huge attack Bondi beach. And he posted something pretty gross on Instagram. He posted, brought people off the beach and headed to the sea. Terrifying and disgusting behavior. Anyone who thinks it's okay to let these people into any other country than their own can go fuck themselves. Unfortunately, these acts paint a picture for all of them. And that picture has been painted out of every country out of Europe and out of Australia. So he's taking a lot of people. Rightly so. Bro, isn't the world gross enough without you being a hateful fucking bigot on top of it? My God.
B
Yeah, that is. That's like. Does not help the Conversation whatsoever. He is now. I was just saying, not to mention.
A
A Muslim person is the one who stopped the shoot. Tutor you dick.
B
Yeah, not to mention that, like, Australia does not belong to white people anyway. Like, not Andrew places. Yeah, exactly. It's so stupid. And. And, like, shame on him. Really? Shame on him for. For saying that during, like, a horrific tragedy and like, just, you know, people need to get a grip, okay? Yeah, people need to get a grip.
A
Yeah. But someone said on here, B.W. watson said, now is not the time for me to quit smoking. And you know what?
B
That's. That's. That's fair.
A
We're driving this car in this crazy world, and I agree. You know, just roll your window down.
B
Why don't we pivot into two. Two items. Quick items that pertain to Below Deck Med, but are not depressing. Yeah. So first is the current charter guy. The guy who is charter chartering. That's the. The boat. Guess what he has Fraud charges.
A
Oh, no.
B
He. Yeah, guess what? He has some sort of, like, get rich quick thing. And I hate to. I hate to be the. The bearer of bad news. It's a fraud. So that's. That's his issue. But actually more intriguing to me is this guy Billy. I feel like we. Did we ever talk about this guy Billy? On Below Deck Med, There was. There was, like, these gays that were on for like, twice, and there was this one guy named Billy, and I'm gonna bring up his picture because once you see his pictures, you know, you'll. You'll recognize him. And he was just the worst. He was very prissy and he was very bossy, and he was just a pain in the ass the entire time. The entire time. He was just like. Just, you know, and he was always like, I'm so sorry, but, like, where. Like, oh, my God. Where's. Like, where's my cocktail? He always claimed. Do you remember. Do you recognize this guy?
A
I remember you. I do, but not.
B
Guess what I mean.
A
You know, below deck, I just erase out of my mind with every new season, so not really.
B
Well, guess what? This guy. Arrested for double murder. Can you believe it? Double.
A
Double. She's lots of double murders in today's crappy hour. I know.
B
Wait, I'm sorry. I was like, this will be funnier. I don't know why it's like, funnier when it's like some abstract, like, they're.
A
Like, let's move on to something light. A double murder.
B
I just realized as I said it, it's like, not funnier But I'm just like, what the Billy from below deck Med, where did this come from? But I think it was a hit and run. He did a hit and run. So this guy. Piece of. And now officially piece of. So those are my little items from the world of below deck guests.
A
Yikes.
B
I guess I didn't really turn the thing. I didn't turn the beat around. Did I turn the beat around?
A
So let's see here. Us new Vanderpump Rules cast addresses backlash and negativity surrounding reboot. You know, there has been a lot of negativity. I just like to tell the new cast, just chill and don't address it. Don't talk about it. Don't get involved in it. Because it's natural for a Bravo show to get negativity. We're Bravo. We're a Bravo loving audience. We're negative people. The first thing we're going to do is complain about you say how much we hate you say how much the other one was better. You need to give people six months, and then they'll, you know, six months to a year and you'll be fine. But just ignore it for now, guys.
B
Just ignore it. Well, actually, the. The first of all, I'm LAUGHING Because Dolphins Girl 253 just joined us. Hi. And she says, just made it. What did I miss? I'm like, girl, you don't even want to know. You don't want to.
A
Really. The saddest things in the world.
B
And. But also a guest spot from Allison Roman. But I. I will say, Ronnie, that the. The article was actually, the vibe was more like, people are being negative to us, but there's actually so much more love that it's outshining the negativity, which is nice. That's what Audrey says. She says, honestly, the amount of negativity has just been overshadowed by all the love. And it's been so surprisingly overwhelming to feel that. And I have to say, when I've talked to anyone about the new Vanderpump Rules cast, everyone's been positive about it. Every single person that I've talked to has been like, I actually kind of like it. And I. In fact, I tweeted out last week and I said I actually kind of like it. And, like, everyone responded back saying, yeah, I like it too. There wasn't a lot. There was no one that was like, oh, this. This is so boring. How could you even say that? What's wrong with you? So I'm wondering if, like, I think that, like, that those seem like good early indicators, right?
A
Yeah, I think it's happy, I guess. Yeah, I guess you could just look for. You can look for positive or negative anywhere. You know, if you just Google your opinion, you'll usually find people to agree with you. So I don't know. I hope it's positive. The ratings suck. And Andy went on a whole thing about how ratings don't matter and all of this. I mean, obviously they do, but I guess they're different. You know, they're different now, obviously, how they count them, but we can't, like, tout something for getting a million viewers a week and be like, that's amazing. And then when something gets 200 a week, we're like, no, it doesn't matter. It's basically like getting a million. So I hope that people kind of come around to it, because I like it.
B
Yeah, I like it, too. And I think it's doing well on Peacock. So it's just.
A
So. It's just like, you know, when you live in LA for a long time and you just see yourself and your friends on there, meaning just young, poor, hungry for something that isn't really defined and willing to do so many, like, probably wrong things, like. Like veering, teetering on the edge of human trafficking, as these people often are. And they're closer to the edge than they know, working at one of those restaurants because, you know, I still think Pump was a trafficking ring. I always said that since the beginning. I always thought it was. We would go eat there, there would be all these hot people. They would be gone by the next time you were there and replaced by a new crop of hot people. It's like, where are they all going? Are they being shipped off? And, you know, commercials.
B
Here comes one right now.
A
So you're seeing them, and they could go in the Jack's way, or they could go in a, you know, very innocent way. I couldn't think of an example from that show for innocence. But, yeah, you know.
B
Yeah, that's what. There's a lot of talk. There's a lot of talk in the comments about Paulo and him being in the hospital. I think he's out of the hospital. I think that happened a few months ago. So I think from what I heard that he maybe you told me this, that he went back to work at the restaurant. I think he's like, back at the restaurant.
A
Oh, really?
B
But he was not there. So a week ago, I went to the Vanderpump Rules publicity thing that they had, where they invited content creators and everything, and I went and Paolo was not there. Everyone was asking for Paolo. He was not there. Hilary Baldwin was there, which was hilarious. Hilarious. Ken was there. Honestly, a great honor of mine was that there's Bravo TV posted a photo of Ken Todd from sir over the weekend. And I was in the background of the photo and I was like, I've made it. I really made it. Photobombing Ken Todd. It was a. It was a. It was a great honor. Thank you, everyone. But yeah, I think it's. I think the show's gonna be good, so. Looking forward to it. What do you want to talk about next?
A
Well, just because we are taught, you know, we've mentioned some old stars. You know, there is positive things to do with, like, older celebrities in this country. And one of them is Melissa Gilbert from Little House on the Prairie. You guys might know her as Kyle's friend on Little House on the Prairie. She played a friend of on Little House on the Prairie to Kyle Richards. And she posted on Instagram, she said, so the hubby and I had an interesting encounter with a couple of Bravo liberties hashtag the other day. Let me start by saying I'm a fan of Real Housewives. It started, of course, because of my sweet friend Kyle Richards. I love Real Housewives of Bravo. Now I've become addicted to oni Bravo at Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and at Real Housewives of Orange County. Okay, Melissa Gilbert, you need to learn to act better because who are you even talking to? Who are you talking to? These shows are my guilty pleasure. I find them to be so fun and entertaining. By the way, this is a Bronwyn length Instagram post and she said she met Brittany Bateman from Salt Lake City the other day. We were walking past the plot at the Plaza Hotel and I said to. At Tim Busfield. We just walked by at Brittany Bateman and Jared Osmond and then our husband. Isn't that funny? Did you know she was Timothy Bus Bus Field?
B
I don't think so. I don't think I. I didn't like, connect her to Amadeus, but sure, go on.
A
Wait, no, he's not Amadeus. That's.
B
His name's Amadeus.
A
That's Tom something. Tom.
B
You're right. Yeah.
A
Either way. Amadeus. Who played Amadeus?
B
No, Buzzfield always play. He.
A
Tom Holst.
B
Tom Holtz. That's right. Timothy Busfield is from 30something. Sorry. Yeah, there's like Tom Holtz. Timothy Busfield spectrum is very. It's like very small.
A
Is it Tim?
B
I think that they're basically two sides of the same coin.
A
No, Timothy Busfield is that ginger guy. He was on the Reddit, I guess I should say. What was he on?
B
Husband, 30 something.
A
Oh, 30 something. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, so they saw him and he took charge and he was like, oh, this is my wife, Melissa Gilbert from Little House on the Prairie. And she was like, big fan. And then Brittany was like. Since Brittany seemed a bit harried, like she wasn't really in her body as she thanked me for being a fan, and rightly so. Jared had lost his phone and a random woman currently standing in front of the plaza had found it. What's the story?
B
What. What I want to say to Melissa Gilbert. Don't feel upset that Britney did not recognize who you are, because I don't think Britney recognizes who anyone is, which is actually offensive because I think that Melissa Gilbert is a. She really is like a fashion icon for, you know, real houses of Salt Lake City. I mean, anytime they go and put on a bonnet that you can just trace that. Right. To a Little House on the Bridge.
A
Well, exactly. Especially, yeah, the old school Mormon for sure. Like the flower dress dresses and the bonnets and stuff like that. So then she's like. And then Brittany just ghosted me. She made an Irish goodbye and didn't even say goodbye to me. And I am from Little House on the Prairie Lake.
B
How dare you. Yeah, that's. That's a. That is. That is what you call smacking the hand that feeds you or biting the hand. Well, you could. It's a smack as well. Speaking of Salt Lake City, a lot of people want to want us to chime in about Bronwyn and Todd. I don't know if there's any more updates since then. Right. Nothing else has come out except that they are just. They're separated. Right. I haven't heard any more details. Have you?
A
Yeah, we had talked on the show. I just heard that they might be getting separated and then it was announced a couple days later. So. Yeah, I mean, that's just the news. They're getting separated. I don't know anything else other than that, do you?
B
Well, I'm just going around telling everyone who hears that Todd is someone who grabs the back of a seat to get up and out of his seat in order to go to the bathroom because that's what my brother experienced when my brother sat in front of him last week on a plane and Todd kept on grabbing his chair to get out and grabbing it. And like, I was like, todd, are you going to watch Crazy Rich Asians or something or Are you just going to create your own chaos on an airplane? Yeah, that's all I know about it.
A
Yeah, I guess we saw that coming. I don't know. I mean, good for her. I did see that she posted a couple of Instagrams about it, but honestly, I just cannot. With Bronwyn's Instagram, she. She does those photo tech photo text things where she writes all over the photo, but she writes 10 paragraphs per picture. And I cannot read it without, like, going in and making it bigger and then moving it around the phone to just read what she's saying. And it's just word salad. Every time I read it, you know, it's like, well, you know, people have been asking me about my divorce baton. I just wanted to say that, you know, it's been lovely, and there's been so many years. I love sidewalks because if you have sidewalks, you don't have to walk on the grass. And isn't that nice? Isn't that nice? You save the grass. And so that's really good. But, you know, I'm not really sure what to say about Todd, except I love love, and love is love and love. Flowers represent love, which is why I love flowers. All flowers are great. It's like, shut the up. Can we. Can we go back to the old Twitter days where you have to say something in 20 words? Just do that, please.
B
I like, though, that when she writes those big walls of text, after every 15 seconds, it shakes because that's, like, her head nodding.
A
Right now.
B
So many people commented. Like, so many people were making jokes and memes about the fact that, like. Like, she went to her lawyers as soon as he took that cherry off the. Off of her Sunday. Like, everyone went right to that scene of him taking. Taking the cherry off of her banana split that she was so excited for.
A
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I guess we'll be following that. It's hard to care about a divorce with Todd involved. You know what I mean? But they. On the show. I know. No kidding. Did she say on the show that they had a prenup or they did not have a prenup? I think she said they did have one. I think she said they did have one, but I don't.
B
I don't know. I. I don't remember either. One thing that actually caught my attention in these headlines is this article about Jazzy. Jazzy Rideau, who apparently cropped Stacy out of a group photo from her wedding. And when asked about it, she was like, did I crop her out? I Think you know that repost. It's just a situation where I didn't want anyone fake in my photo. So I just did what any normal person would do. So it seems as though Jazzy and Stacy. It seems like things are not going well. We were. We were watching last night's episode and talking about today in the recap, and it seemed like Jazzy was standing up for Stacy, and it seemed like they were trying to really work on Jazzy to turn her to be, like, Stacy. You know, Stacy wasn't gonna go to your wedding unless we all went to your wedding. Which is funny because it's like, were you guys gonna go to the wedding unless the rest of you guys were gonna go to the wedding. So whatever it is, Jazzy is now mad at Stacy. And I was, like, sad because I.
A
Seems like follower stuff. It seems like more follower stuff. Like I'm gonna do what the popular kids are telling me to do and just Stacy. So I. Between Jazzy and Stacy that we haven't seen. But I'm assuming that it's going to be what we saw on the show today that Ashley stood. The only reason she even went to your wedding is because she knew it was going to be filmed. And so maybe they'll fight about that, but I don't know. It's kind of tired. The hate against Stacy for no reason. The more fun stuff is watching angel lose it all over. She's just not having a great time with that cast. And she said, let's be clear. I am from Maryland. I know where the bones are buried, and I kept it classy. Done. Let's be very clear. She says let's be clear a lot in her post. That's how you know it's an actual post. She goes, let me be clear. So she says, let me be clear. No, this time, very clear. If I could have seen the cash shit talked about me behind my back week after week, I would have moved different. My objective was to be cool with everybody, but the three witches wouldn't let it let up. And now I'm done. And she's referring to Wendy, Ashley, and Giselle, which really don't see anything she's saying wrong. So far, I've read a million and one lives about myself, stories people have made up to feed a need, for whatever reason, to believe I'm some person. I've stayed large, largely silent. But last night's episode takes the cake. Giselle is lying. She has no word on the street because no one knew her on the street before joining this show. So you're saying she's only been famous 12 years? Is that really. How many years is this show? 10.
B
Like, 10. It's been. It's been on the air for about 10 years. Yeah.
A
No one knew you before a decade ago. Isn't really a good dis. When you haven't been famous longer than a decade. I don't think either.
B
Hey, no one knew you before a decade ago. That's, like, significant. Like, no one knew certain megastars before three years ago. Be like, you've only been famous for 10 years in a. In a fickle. In a fickle pop culture that discards stars after six months, and you've only lasted 10 years.
A
Well, how long have you been a wag, ma'? Am?
B
Yeah.
A
Has it been longer than that? Because I don't know, but it's a weird diss. And, you know, she says Giselle's lying. She had no word on the street. No one knew her on the street before joining the show. Wendy's mutual friend. Oh, yeah. That conversation never happened. I spoke with her. Lies. Ashley just needs to join in on a storyline line. So here's the problem with her is she's actually right to be upset with. And she's pretty much right to be upset, I think, with all the ladies. And she's writing what she's saying. It's just she's so bad at it.
B
That you still can still bad her. You know, there's another. Another article.
A
You've only been a celebrity for 10 years since you've been a television star. Loser.
B
There's an article in about all this stuff on Decider and the headline, which is not worth going into, but it's just. It's just. Just more funny stuff. It's Kieran Potomac star Kieran Stewart teases audiences will see a different side of Angel Massey later this season. That was. Yes. From yesterday. This article. I just love the perpetual, you know, teasing of what's to come with Angel. Like, don't worry. You're gonna get to know her. You're gonna get to know me. That's coming up soon. And I'm gonna get to know you. It's like, stop teasing this. Like, you'll see another side of angels. I'm like, I think. I think we've seen the sides.
A
We've seen it.
B
We're good. We're good.
A
We've seen it. All right, everybody, this ends the audio version of this. We will be moving over to talk to you guys on Vidya over on our YouTube. And so those of you who want to talk to us, stay here. The rest of you, we will talk to you in the new year. This was our final crappy hour for 2025. So thanks for another great year, you guys. We love you and we'll talk to you next time. Next time. Okay?
B
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Released: December 16, 2025
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Guest: Alison Roman (cookbook author, writer, food personality)
This festive year-end episode features a lively interview with food writer and cookbook superstar Alison Roman. The hosts chat with Alison about her latest cookbook, Bravo-lebrity encounters, the emotional toll of internet fame, and the fine art of TV-watching snack spreads. The latter half of the episode is a signature "Crappy Hour" blend of Bravo news, hot takes, and audience banter—veering from hilarious to heartfelt, sometimes dark, always sharp.
Ben (03:22): “I literally brought this on the flight to Vegas with Bravo-lebrities all around—didn’t care, I was reading your cookbook.”
Alison (06:04): "I would so not fit in, and I would get in so much trouble. ... I couldn't. I don't think I could handle it."
Alison (06:32): “I would quickly get worn down on a spiritual level... I'm a bird with wings that are clipped and I have to fly, and I can't fly here.”
Alison (09:47): “The Internet is a playground of no consequences... You can be the worst version of yourself publicly.”
Alison (14:30): "The older you get, the more you allow yourself to be surprised... you allow yourself your heart to be open to any more connections.”
“That’s dip territory: dips, vegetables, chips, cheese—and no one needs crudites after dinner!”
Ben (22:54): “Your salad from Nothing Fancy—in my group, we just call it the salad. ... You’ve made a huge salad contribution to my household.”
Alison recaps her recent book tour, sharing relief at having returned home for the holidays.
Alison (23:25): “Instead of December being super crazy, I feel like I’m on vacation a little bit.”
On dressing up as Ina Garten for Halloween:
Alison (25:14): “[Ina] did not reach out to me, but apparently she wrote back, ‘Haha, I love it!’ I think we’re pretty close now.”
Ben’s proudest moment: Photobombing Ken Todd at a Vanderpump Rules event.
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Endnote:
“Thanks for another great year, you guys. We love you and we’ll talk to you next time!” —Ronnie (52:25)
This show parodies the world of Bravo, offering both praise and unapologetic mockery—“We mock because we love.” This episode is a prime example, balancing genuine fan excitement (the Alison Roman interview) with no-holds-barred recaps and satirical takes on the latest Bravo-flavored drama. If you love high-energy recap shows with sharp wit and inside jokes, this is the podcast for you.