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Brandy Howard
Well, hello. How are you doing, Ben?
Ben Mandelker
Look at that sexy afternoon shade. What is it called? Afternoon five o' clock shadow. Five o' clock shadow, yeah. Welcome to your podcast, Ronnie. We are here today to talk about Below Deck Med. What an episode. Before we dive into that, thanks to everyone who showed up to our various live things yesterday, including the inimitable Allison Roman. That was so cool that Allison Roman came and dropped by Crappy Hour, our last one of the year. If you missed it, don't worry. It's. It's, it's here. It's gonna be. It's on our feed if it's not already and it's on YouTube. So go check it out. And in the new year, join us for future crappy hours and then also join us on Patreon patreon.com Watch what crappens. Weekly bonus episodes, video discord, community, all that great stuff. So thanks to everyone who supports us over there. Thanks everyone who comes to watch to the the Crappy Hour. Thanks anyone who just listens to this show, to anyone who subscribes. What a great year we've had. And we're winding down, but that is basically that for that. What is going on with you, Ronnie? How are you feeling? What's. What's new?
Brandy Howard
Good, Good. Everything is good over here. Just getting ready for Christmas, doing a little shopping, et cetera. It's. I'm in Texas. It's cold. It's wintry over here. It's like 45 degrees. It was 45 degrees today, so it was nice and chilly. It's good to wear a jacket.
Ben Mandelker
Well, we. I missed you because this morning I also went on to Jeff Lewis's show on SiriusXM. So thank. Go listen to that. If you missed that one, in your place was actress Elizabeth Rome. So, you know, she. She held down the fort even without my, My beautiful Rondela there.
Brandy Howard
But. Well, that's fun. How's she?
Ben Mandelker
She's awesome. She's so cool. She's beautiful. Also, I was like, I was sitting next to her trying to be cool. I was like. But internally I was like, you're so pretty. But I tend to do that a lot with. With women or just ladies just like, wow.
Brandy Howard
Yeah. Yeah. She is very beautiful. My gosh.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, she is. But anyway, thanks to Jeff and Shane and that whole crew over there for having BE back on.
Brandy Howard
So that's in Law and Order.
Ben Mandelker
Okay. I don't think there's anyone else I have to thank. I'm giving like an Oscar speech this morning. I want to thank below.
Brandy Howard
That was a good morning. Yeah, it's a good morning when you show up and you're like, I'd like to thank you all. Thank you all just for being a part of my story. All right.
Ben Mandelker
Thank you.
Brandy Howard
I've been a part of my journey.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, thanks. I had a croissant afterwards. You know, the. The SiriusXM is right next to tartine. So I was like. I always act like I just came out of the dentist office. I'm like, well, I deserve a croissant after being on the radio. So I went and had a croissant.
Brandy Howard
There is no croissant that leaves more evidence all over your body than a tartine croissant.
Ben Mandelker
I know.
Brandy Howard
Those are the crumbliest croissants. I always get them all over myself. So, yeah, that's good you did it after because you can't walk into Jeff Lewis covered in carbs. He'll be like, ew, we're eating carbs. Yeah. I don't eat carbs. I hate carbs. We hate carbs here, don't we, Shane? Shane would be like, yeah, we hate carbs.
Ben Mandelker
Well, they're always so nice over there. They. They offer to get me breakfast. So this time I said, no, I'll take an avocado toast. And got this delicious avocado toast. But it was like covered in. In like chili crispins, like oil and all this stuff. I was so messy and like. And then like, people come in. I'm like, I can't. I'm especially. I'm not going to touch Elizabeth Rome with my chili oil fingers. But I was a mess before the show started and I was so embarrassed.
Brandy Howard
That's funny. We get quite a morning avocado toast croissant. Wow. It's like an orgy over there. It's just bedding.
Ben Mandelker
I can't believe I've already gained back half the weight I lost with my no carb October. How did that happen?
Brandy Howard
No wonder you showed up. Like, I think it might be time for a no carb January or whatever.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, I need to. I mean, it's been. It's been it's been pretty intense since.
Brandy Howard
It's been pretty calm. Well, that's good, but. Well, today is our carbs below deck. Med Season 10 Episode 12 the Forbidden.
Ben Mandelker
K wow, what an episode. What an episode.
Brandy Howard
This is nice to see that Joe comes from a. From a hashtag boy mom. Because he 100 does. We got to meet Joe's mom today. He's like, oh, darling, whatever you want to do, it's the woman's fault. Just do whatever you want. Did she trick you into it, darling? Did she?
Ben Mandelker
Did she trick? Yeah, I know. It's like you just see how it happens. You see how this, all this. This is how people like Joe are made. What a piece of trash he is. What garbage. But we're not surprised. We knew this would happen. But when you actually see it happen and then you see him crying over what he's done and you. But you also see how. And also Kizzy, I mean, these are just two obnoxious people. This is as close to blow deck ever. We'll get to a scandal moment, so, you know, we gotta enjoy it. But. But like, I don't know that I'd say that.
Brandy Howard
I mean, that was.
Ben Mandelker
Well, I mean, you have a.
Brandy Howard
That was such a big deal because those two people were so together forever and everybody believed it. You know, I mean, Tom Sandoval was shocking because he was such a dope on the show. But I don't know, he was always kind of. You were always kind of rooting for him because he was always against Jackson. All. You know, I mean, it's not like he didn't have any faults, but it was a shock that he did that. But this was not a shock. No, this was not a shock. I'll tell you who's going to be shocked. That girl's sinuses. V. She's going to be. Do you think you're sad now? Your grief is going to be tripled after this. Her sinuses are going to fall out of her nose. We're going to need to go put straws in there for her because this guy's a. And yeah, Kizzy, too. I mean, Kizzy, like, we both knew. We knew that both. Both of these people, that they're just trash and they're going to bring nothing but trash to whoever they're involved with. And Kizzy got engaged to that dude that she's. Tommy. Or whatever, whoever she's been calling all season. And have fun, Tommy, because your life will be filled with trash now. You know, Trash. Garbage person garbage.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. Talk about a future Divorce. What? She's like 23. I don't know how old Tommy is, but you guys will be divorced soon, so congrats on your future divorce. It's not even a wedding. It's a pre divorce party that you'll be having.
Brandy Howard
Yeah.
Ben Mandelker
And, you know, good luck to both of you all. You're. You're interesting. I. The reason why I said it was like as close to blood I could ever get to scandal is that you have one girl who is, like, going through shit and her best. Her quote. No, well, not. Maybe not best friend, but her friend sort of quote unquote cheating with her Sandoval type. It's just as close as the show can really get to that kind of. Yeah, but I was so happy. Honestly, I was. I really enjoyed the episode because I was very invested in this stupid situation. And coming off of last season where I just did not give a. About any of the romantic hijinks, it felt good to be annoyed, you know.
Brandy Howard
And it's also nice, like, you know, for a super judgmental person like me, when things come true, you know, like when you're. You know that someone's a piece of shit and they're pretending they're not a piece of shit and. And then they turn out to be a piece of shit. And it's just. It's comforting to know, like, it's comforting to know, like, there are pieces of shit. That's not comforting. But, you know, the fact that you still got it, you know you still got it. Not that this was a difficult case or anything, but, you know, Joe, people like Joe can fool people. Even like, Asia, who's like, well, I don't know. I mean, it is Joe, but he does seem to have changed. No, we did not fucking change. We even get the glorious tears of them.
Ronnie Chieng
How could I? I didn't. I've made a mistake.
Brandy Howard
Oh, now I'm the victim because I made out with somebody.
Ben Mandelker
Oh, it's just glorious. Yeah. I feel like, you know, I feel like we are like, I feel like we are a gay couple who have trained a seeing eye dog. Like, we. We are the one who took in the dog for three years, trained the seeing eye dog. And then you send the seeing eye dog out in the wild and you say, oh, I hope all our training worked and the dog does the right thing and then the dog crosses the street at the right time and you're like, yes, our training worked. It's like we put in the time. We put in the time to study these people on Bravo and then we're like, okay, let's see if all of our hard work has paid off. And it does. It paid off. We totally see. Or maybe this is the way an FBI profiler feels like after they spent all that time profiling, and then they have, like, a. A case, and they're like, ooh, well, if my experience profiling all these criminals is correct, then this person, Buffalo Bill, has Jody Foster in a well. And then it turns out Jody Foster's in a well. I'm like, did it?
Brandy Howard
Yeah. I knew it. And it's not like being a fan of Buffalo Bill or anything. We're not cheering for that. Like, yes. You put somebody in a well.
Ronnie Chieng
Yes.
Brandy Howard
Give them the lotion. It's not that. It's just, like, called it, you know? So, yeah, it feels good.
Ben Mandelker
Put in the work. We put in the work to be able to. To recognize these things. And it's, like, nice when, like, to know that that work was not all in vain.
Brandy Howard
Yeah. So we open with Kizzy on the deck with. With David. Oh, God. The. The charter guest, the David that she's gonna. And you called this, too. Because I really thought she was gonna go through with it and bang him, but she didn't. You were right last week. You said, she's just gonna chicken out and be like, no, no, no, no, no. And you were right. So that's what she's doing. He's like, are you afraid? You afraid of getting in trouble right now? Oh. For following your passions. Oh. On the deck of this boat? And she's like, yeah. He's like, well, I don't want to get you in trouble. Bad girl.
Ben Mandelker
Well, the reason why I knew nothing was going to happen was because if they did kiss, they would have shown us that and then made that the cliffhanger. But if they don't kiss, then that means. Then that means nothing happened. Like, if, like, they're. They're going to do a cliffhanger trying to get you to think they might kiss, but if they've got nothing to show, they're. Yeah, if they got something to show, they'll show it and then make that the cliffhanger. So that was what I was going off of.
Brandy Howard
Well, you did it. Whatever.
Ben Mandelker
You did that.
Brandy Howard
You did it right? So she's like, I feel like I would get fired. Please, please don't get me in trouble. And he's like, oh, I would never get you in trouble. And she's like, oh, my God. You know, it's taken me close to. I had to get this close to kiss a child, I guess to realize that maybe I've taken it a bit too far. Asha would flip his shit if I started snogging David on the deck. I can't do it. Hot damn. I'm sorry. Do you have a girlfriend or a relationship that I can ruin then? I'm. I'm sorry. I'm not in competition with anybody. So this is a total turn off to me, which I think is probably what she really meant, cuz, you know, with her, it's like the conquest, the competition and the winning.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, exactly. He actually made himself a little bit too available too. So she's like, don't worry. I don't see myself being with someone from America. And he's like, oh, are you breaking up with me? She's like, I'm really so sorry to do this. He's like, it's like romeo and Juliet. I was like. And she. She's like. But they both ended up dead, so it's probably for the best, right? Oh, fuck my life.
Brandy Howard
Where Juliet just couldn't be with Romeo because he was American. She's like, gross. Okay. Get your country in order.
Ben Mandelker
And Juliet also can't wind up with Romeo because Juliet's part of the service that the waitstaff at the castle.
Brandy Howard
Yeah, I love some good American shaming on below deck. She's like, I will sleep with literally anybody but an American. Sorry. Get it here. Over there, guys. Learn to drive on the correct side of the road and give me a call, okay?
Ben Mandelker
I do. I do love that. Even, like, the worst of what Britain has to offer, they can still be like, yeah, but at least an American.
Brandy Howard
I mean, when we're being looked down on by the kizzies of the world, we're. We're really sunk over here.
Ben Mandelker
You know what, though? Like, you know, we did it to ourselves.
Brandy Howard
Yeah, no kidding. I mean, I can see your point. And I think he has a perfect attitude. He's like, yeah, sure am. I see the news too. I mean, I get it.
Ben Mandelker
So now I left my phone downstairs.
Brandy Howard
Like, who walks around without his phone? Now how am I gonna check texts? Just kidding. Go ahead.
Ben Mandelker
It's just weird. So Joe goes into the galley. Well, because he goes in the galley. That's where Joe is. And he's like, hold Good morning. She's like, good morning. Because it's late at night. It's a joke. Get it? Because it's like, lately. See, here's the way a comedy works. You say something that's unexpected. Like, if it's Night time. You say good morning. You just had to be there. So Joe's like, I can't wait for this talk honestly. And Kizzy's like, well, he hates me now because I broke up with him and I attract like a needy, emotional man. That's what I do, Joe. And he's like, that's me. She goes, oh, you got wifed up. So no, it won't work out for us, Joe.
Brandy Howard
And he's like, yeah, but. And she goes, you idiot. So now it's time for bedtime. It's 4:28 when they go to bed. And now it's the next morning. Captain Sandy's out there filming. She's like, wow, so peaceful out here. God, it's great. It's like Norma's phone waiting for Amanda call.
Ben Mandelker
It's so peaceful. It's like Norma's phone. It's on do not disturb except it naturally. She doesn't even have to turn the setting on. It's just quiet, no interruptions. What I'm trying to say is no one calls her.
Brandy Howard
So now everybody gets up and starts working in the morning and Nathan and Joe are talking and Joe's like, oh, Kizzy smells good, bro. And he's like, she smells good. Don't be stupid. Don't be stupid, bro. And he's like, what have I done? Because everybody knows what you're going to do. So later when you're crying and saying.
Ronnie Chieng
Oh, I just got so drunk.
Brandy Howard
No, you've been planning this. This was pre meditated.
Ben Mandelker
By the way. Now is a great time. I know we talked about this on Crappy Hour, but as long as Nathan's showing up here, in case you missed it, now's a good time to tell the audience that Nathan is actually complete garbage and racist. And if you don't know what that's about, go listen to Crappy Hour because it's really unsettling and it's really disappointing.
Brandy Howard
Yeah, Nathan, that guy. So in the galley, Max is attacking Kathy with a hug. He's like, oh. Kissing her cheek. And this week she's kind of softened to Max, which I was surprised by. I thought she was kind of grossed out by him. I thought she got the ick and she was just going to be done with him. But I guess she's giving her a go.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, she finally got her chocolate, so. Really softened up. Yeah, she got the ak, she turned.
Brandy Howard
The page and it's a new kitty on a new month. And you know what? She found the strength to keep going.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. Yeah. So he's like, you know, bouncing all over her, and she's like, it's too much energy. So then Sandy is like, okay, well, okay, Nathan, just so you know, it's really tight in here. So. Okay, Max is. We're going to. We're going to park in a different parking spot. So Maxing, do something else. Okay? We need him to do puppetry, so I need him to do some hand. Some shadow puppets, okay? And he's going to take his. He's got to pretend. He's got to show me how big he says his penis is. And then he's got to demonstrate how big it really is. So go wide and then go small with his palms. That's what I need to do. Big and then small.
Brandy Howard
And they cut to Max on the swim platform, and he's just throwing towels up in the air like. And she's like, okay, well, listen, this is America's cup, and our original Marina is full for the rest of the season. So we got to go to the new one, but it's more challenging because it's real thin, right? You got to try and get in there. So we're going to try it, you know, and we got to swing, got to have ground lines. We got to know what we're going to do here. I need everyone on board that I can trust. I need to trust people. I need to know that the bow thruster gave way to the last dock. I mean, bow thrust. About trusting. Parking. Parking is very difficult. It's a parking monologue. Just get comfortable. It's going to go for a while. So now, new Marina back in my mind, I need the crew to be focused and calling distances perfectly. All right, now, why am I trusting a man on below deck? To be honest, about inches, I don't know. But let's see. Let's see how it works out. This much room matters. This much room matters.
Ben Mandelker
So the guests are waking up and go to breakfast. And then we see V, who has her quote of the quote of the episode, which is, AKA her blowing her nose. So she says, I know my body well, and right now, whatever I'm experiencing is like, so in the thick of grief.
Ronnie Chieng
Just.
Ben Mandelker
It's a lot going on. I hate being sad. So she's blowing her nose still. She's still sick. Yeah.
Brandy Howard
She goes off to cry. And then now it's anchor hauling time. So Max is asking Nathan. He's like, oh, what am I supposed to be doing as the boss of the bottle? And he's like, okay, you know, here's what you do. And Max is like, oh, it's my chance. My chance to become the lead that, you know, zoom, zoom, just, like, crash down.
Ben Mandelker
Why does he think he's getting a chance to be lead deckhand? Wasn't it already assigned? I. I don't know. Did they just, like, pull this interview from a different part of the season?
Brandy Howard
So.
Ben Mandelker
So Max is like. He's like, okay, I'm on position, and I'm at 2am and Nathan's like, oh, my. He's like, oh, that's scar. 2am so Max is like, this is not about Joe. It's about Nathan not being fair because you work hard and you're the best one. And then his best friends show up and just me over. It's like corruption, okay? In politics, this is corruption. I'm like, it's not that deep, bro. It's just a fake position on a show with fake deckhands.
Brandy Howard
If it's real, if it's truly, like, politics, there's enough room for every idiot. So just keep. You'll eventually get something. So Nathan is showing Max. You know, they're like, one meter. One meter. And she's like, I need to see your hands, Max. He's like, what? I don't have anything in the hand. She's like, no, I'm not accusing you of stuff stealing anything. You need to tell me how many meters there are before we go into the thing. Okay, I need to show. Just show me your hands. And he just gives her the flash, like, for 20.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, yeah. Because the whole thing is that, like, he has to be, like. Because of whatever. He just has to do some sort of, like, hand thing, and that's all he has to do. So V is still. She still has the stuffy nose. So Nathan's gonna talk to Captain Sandy about that. And then the guests are talking about being up late, and David's like, yeah, I got broken up with guys. Have to recollect myself at the. So tragic. Couldn't land it. Couldn't land it. And. And then meanwhile, back with V. She is still sick. So, yeah.
Brandy Howard
So, yeah, it's a lot of cutting to V being sick. So then a lot of stuff falls out of a cabinet and breaks. And below deck sailing was like, okay, we may be canceled, but we are not forgotten. Thank you.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, thank you.
Brandy Howard
Thank you for stealing our best moment below deck Med. Isn't it bad enough you guys canceled us without taking our action scenes?
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, seriously. So meanwhile, the. The docking is still happening, and it's a lot of Max, like, I. Here's what I understand. Literally, Captain Sandy is, show me your hands. And then Max, like, puts his hands in his pockets. That's literally the opposite thing that you're supposed to be doing.
Brandy Howard
Yeah. And Max is, like, doing push ups and sitting down. And she's like, max, I'm gonna need you on your feet, all right? Need you alert. And he's like, oh, yeah. So he gets up, and then Kathy is so glad they only have three charters left. And Josh is like, oh, it's a bittersweet. And then, you know, it's just docking measurements, hands, etc.
Ben Mandelker
And for nothing.
Brandy Howard
Nathan's asking for distances, and Max is like, oh, she's on with. She's on. She's with me on the bill. Nathan, relax. And he's like, don't tell me to relax, bro. So, like, some fighting on the radio in addition to the mayhem, which I'm sure she loves.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, it's a lot of back and forth because, you know, as we know, the bow thrusters went out last time and there were lines in the water and there's America's cup and, like, there's a Red Bull sponsorship happening. It's just a lot of scary things happening. And I think if we don't get this, I need to see some hands. If we don't see some hands, we're gonna crash. We're all sink. We're all gonna die. Oh, we docked. We docked.
Brandy Howard
We're back. Everything's great.
Ben Mandelker
We're fine.
Brandy Howard
Okay.
Ben Mandelker
Okay. Good job, everyone. Good job.
Brandy Howard
Meanwhile, Max has just been acting like an idiot. He hasn't been doing anything right. And he's like, fuck, what do they want from me? And Nathan says, what the fuck are you doing, Max? Just because you aren't Leadeckhand doesn't mean you get to your hands in the air and say, I'm not going to do my job. Go back to your own country.
Ben Mandelker
You probably did say that, to be honest.
Brandy Howard
It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin commercial.
Ben Mandelker
Okay.
Brandy Howard
All right.
Ben Mandelker
Well, we made it.
Brandy Howard
We.
Ben Mandelker
We docked, so we're all safe. Okay, so let's get back to you guys being stupid. So now it's Kizzy. Kizzy's walking by Joe and sticks something in his butt cheeks, and he's like. Clenches it in his butt. And she's like. So you know, the sexual chemistry is off the charts.
Brandy Howard
Best finger in the butt action. Yeah. So she's like, well, that was a little harder than it needed to be. And yes, I Am talking to you, Joe. Okay, I can see in the cameras, but good job, everybody. So then Kathy asked Kizzy how the night was, and she's like, oh, my God.
Ronnie Chieng
He was like, why are you breaking up with me? Can you believe an American wanted to marry me?
Brandy Howard
Now it's time for the guest to depart. And David just shakes Kizzy's hand very professionally. And Kathy's like, I knew it was just going to be a handshake. I knew it. And so they're. They're really sweet. They're like, oh, we appreciate everything you guys did. Thank you so much. I'm going to go get arrested now for fraud. Was it Cameron who got arrested for fraud?
Ben Mandelker
It was Cameron who's having fraud issues at the moment.
Brandy Howard
Your lucky tip before I got arrested for fraud because I borrowed this from 20 different family members, and I'm never going to pay them back. Okay, thanks, Shaw.
Ben Mandelker
Squad for life. So time to turn the boat around. Okay. And so they're going to. They're cleaning everything. V is coughing. So Nathan's like, hi, Captain. How you doing? Nathan, what's going on? Have any progressive views on people from different backgrounds? View?
Ronnie Chieng
No, I don't.
Ben Mandelker
But with V, she doesn't feel so well. So I just wanted to let you know. You know, V has been through a lot this season already, and I feel like it's a combination of being fatigued and sick and just also having sex with Joe. That can really do a number on your body. So also the anniversary of her boyfriend. So, vij. So it's in a good place physically or mentally right now.
Brandy Howard
Well, you need to have your team. You know, I get it. I get it. So don't worry. I got you. I got you. I'm going to find something great, and I'm only going to bring professional vibes to the boat because I'm very about professionalism. Gosh, how can I do this in the least dramatic way possible? Do you have anybody you absolutely hate in your life? Okay, maybe someone that hates you. Okay. An ex girlfriend that you've recently fucked over on camera. I'll get right on it. Okay. Go back to work.
Ben Mandelker
Well, I just want to know what PA on the production staff went and coughed and blew their nose all over V's pillow to make her sick. So that way she'd be removed from this boat. So that way all these plot complications would happen. Because this. This is just so convenient. This is so perfect. They're like, oh, let's take her off the boat. What could possibly go wrong? I Mean, Yeah, it's like. It's kind of amazing.
Brandy Howard
Yeah. So she's texting deckhand number one, and she might be in need of a tech dim pant. Deckhand. God damn it. For one. For one charter. Okay. He wanted to see if he could fill in for a few days in Barcelona. And then we see. Oh, I might. I might be in need of attempt deckhand. Oh, Then we see someone being like, maybe. I don't know. So now we go back to Max and Nathan, and Max is like, can I show you something? Just so we are clear on the board? You tell me to speak with Captain Sandy. So I'm on bow. She is there. I'm seeing her. Like, we see it, you know? Like, really. Come on, Nathan. And he's like, so you tell her. Anyway, she told you to stop sitting down and to pay attention. If I can hear Captain Sandy over that radio, I know you aren't paying attention. So you need to pay attention and do what she says. Simple as that. Now you'll be on the stern from now on. You've been grounded from the bow.
Ben Mandelker
And what we call that as a stern talking to gat. So then Max is very. He's pouting, of course. And he's like. He's like, sure. Yes, sir. And he does like a. To us. He does like a middle finger salute. He's like, first bye bye to the lead deck position. Now we can take the bow. My Max, you are the fuck up here. Okay? Stop acting like the system is working against you. You literally. All you have to do is show your hands to Captain Sandy. And you couldn't even do that.
Brandy Howard
I don't.
Ben Mandelker
I'm sick of it. Yeah.
Brandy Howard
And he's. Nathan's like, I'm sick of him. He's lying through his teeth. And now he's getting argumentative. I'm not having it. I'm not having it. And return for revenge. I'm gonna go walk around with a monk haircut.
Ben Mandelker
There you go.
Brandy Howard
Gotta get him with this one tip meeting. I wonder how Vy's doing. She's dying. So how do you think the charter went? Asia.
Ronnie Chieng
She's like, oh, my God. Smashed it once again. Wonderful job, girl. In fact, one of them actually almost smashed it too. Literally. But thankfully, she has her own psychological issues, which causes her to sabotage her own work. Sabotage. Very convenient.
Brandy Howard
So V can barely speak. She's like, I'm sick. And Captain Sandy's like, well, we're gonna talk on the bridge after this. Okay. All right, everybody. It's a great tip. 20 grand. So, you know, I mean, mediocre, I guess. Great. I don't know. We can be made 41 time. Remember that? That was fun. It's over now, but, you know, still not so bad. And something else I want to say tomorrow. Guess what I'm gonna say my favorite word of the week. Alingi. Okay. We're going to the Alingi Red Bull racing team headquarters. Isn't that exciting? I don't know if I'm more exciting to meet the Alingis, the reds or the bulls. Love them all. God. Communist bulls. Really into it.
Ben Mandelker
You ever seen a bull racing in the water? So thrilling, especially the red ones. Wow. So I know everyone's really excited, so get ready, because it's going to happen tomorrow. And then we see. They were seeing, like, a lot of stock footage of this America's cup and this team. I'm sure it's like, a very big deal, but to me, I'm like, okay. Like, it's fine. I don't need to see all the stock footage. I get it. So Asia's like, oh, Scott would kill to see this.
Ronnie Chieng
Oh, my God, we're so lucky.
Brandy Howard
All right, what I want you to do is work real hard and turn the boat around. This is full of passion. Okay? I'm gonna call everybody's significant others and try and get a lot of fingers in the hole. Okay. Fingers through the hole. Going on in my boat. Okay. Yeah, yeah.
Ben Mandelker
So now Kathy starts getting drunk, which is fun. And then Joe is like, hey, Kizzy, how you gonna get drunk tonight? Can we shake on it?
Ronnie Chieng
Let's get drunk.
Ben Mandelker
So then V is, like, blowing her nose. So. And then Asia's texting Scott. They're just all doing their, like, you know, afternoon stuff after they're done with the charter. And Nathan is telling Max to use a scupper for something on the deck. Or the scrupper. The scrupper or the scupper, whatever is. Oh, but the scrapper is the better way to do it when they are dry. And he's like, yeah, that's why you need to flush the scrappers, to get the shut out of it. It's like, yeah, dude, I just want to be rebellious. Like, I don't care. Just ease it out of him. Because my grandfather would be so proud of me to be rebellion. My grandfather was a war hero, one of the resistance of World War II, who lead a lot of people take a cocktail Molotov and throw it from the windows of, you know, Paris. And his blood in My veins. That's why I have a bit of a problem with authority. I know. Boss on the plan is going to give me that. You like, wiping down a window is just really not the same level as throwing a Molotov cocktail at the Nazis. I'm just gonna say that right now.
Brandy Howard
Although it is an interesting rip for him to talk about bombing the racists.
Ben Mandelker
I know. I appreciate the legacy, but, like, maybe aspire for something greater than, like, ah, this beautiful rebellion is within me. That is why I should be in service for wealthy people.
Brandy Howard
Yeah, I know. It's like, wow, my grandfather, such a rebel in the world. He's inspired me to clean deck. I know.
Ben Mandelker
I will not flush the scoppers just because I'm rebel like grandfather.
Brandy Howard
So Asia is texting Scott, and I.
Ronnie Chieng
Was like, you'll never believe it. We're going to the Ilingi Red Bull or something or other. You can't believe how many times Cap Sandy said lingy. I mean, it's just hilarious.
Brandy Howard
And he's like, I'm so jealous. I wish I could be there. So now we see V and Sandy in the bridge, and she's like, okay, listen here. I see your eyes, I see your sad eyes don't be discouraged because I realize this song's really long, but you've got bad sinuses. I want you off my boat because I'm gonna get some people here to give some deep throats. Nugget out. Go, go. Go be sick somewhere else, okay?
Ben Mandelker
Why are you lifting that boombox over your head? In your eyes I see you're tired. In your eyes, you've got a sinus infection. Don't say anything, V. It's from a different generation. Your elders would appreciate it.
Brandy Howard
All right, well, you're sick, you know, so. You know what we do on charter when people are sick? We give them lethal injections, watch them squirm for a bit, and throw them overboard. But since we're on camera, we're just going to replace you for a while, so. You know what? Get out of here, kid. Go. I'm sure there's a continental breakfast. Get everyone at a hotel sick. Bye. Get out.
Ben Mandelker
Sending her off to the hotel now. Normally when people get sick on the show, they just are in their bed and then they just sit there for three days. Let's never forget when Kyle had, like, a toothache.
Ronnie Chieng
Is it Captain Sand?
Ben Mandelker
I don't think I. I unfortunately cannot.
Ronnie Chieng
Did I work at all, Captain Sandy? So I'm going to lay in bed.
Ben Mandelker
For three days with my toothache oh.
Brandy Howard
Everything with that guy. Remember, it was a toothache and an ankle and, like, he always had something going on that one.
Ronnie Chieng
It's trauma.
Brandy Howard
So he was out, Frank. So she's out. And Captain Sandy still loves her. She's like, he has such a good work ethic, you know? You know, the way she's just so willing to take a nap when I tell her to? That's really what I'm looking for in somebody, you know? I can't believe I'm kicking someone off the boat who's taking this many naps, but here we are. So I'm. I'm the one who has to say, go, take a break. You know, you never have to say that around Norma because we're always around KitKat bars, and she's always taking one, okay? Otherwise, she wouldn't do it. Okay?
Ben Mandelker
So she's like, yeah, when you come back, the job is yours. It's 100 yours. Nothing could ever change that. Okay? She goes, well, I'll come back with an iron fist. Thanks, Captain Iron Fist. I don't think this has anything to do with iron fist, but whatever. So V is, like, telling everyone I'm going to the hotel, and Joe's like, oh, I'm so sad to see you leave. And then he's like. Like, he can barely contain the smile on his face, which says a lot because it's a big smile.
Brandy Howard
So he's like, yeah, it's like, such an emotional day approaching, you know? It's great to know that Joe's gonna be so supportive in there for me. And he's like, I'm shy to see her gone, but what's going on right now, it feels so serious. I'm just in this weird headspace. It's crazy how much her illness is really affecting me.
Ben Mandelker
Why is he in a weird headspace? He's like, it'll be good for her to get off the boat and recover, and then when she comes back, we can go back to 100. Like, so Kizzy then goes to Kathy, and she's like, I have to tell you something. Like, last night, Joe and I were really flirtatious. I don't want to do anything because I know she really likes him. Like, okay, just because you're laying the groundwork now does not let you off the hook later. This is all. She's trying to lay it on thick so when. No one would ever accuse her of being a shitty friend.
Brandy Howard
But you're gonna be a. Yeah, that's not gonna happen. So V walks in right at that time, but doesn't hear them talking. And she's like, okay, I'm going to be sure to take care of my boy. He's my Joe Mance. Okay? Take care of him and kiss. He's just rolling her eyes like, oh, God. God, now I'm gonna fuck him in every hole, you know?
Ben Mandelker
Yep. So Kizzy's like, kathy, are you going to shag Max? She's like, no. Disgusting. I hate that man. She's like, do you think he likes you more than him? She's like, well, let me answer that with an eye roll, a scowl, and, like, a little vomit in my mouth.
Brandy Howard
And she's like, well, I'm not even thinking about whether I like him or not. I just, you know, I want to kiss you. I want to kiss you. If I don't, I don't. It's not that big of a deal. And it's because. Backstory, backstory, backstory, backstory. My parents broke up when I was four years old. Here's a picture of me at four years old, looking exactly like I do now with less mascara. How does every picture of her look exactly like her? It's weird.
Ben Mandelker
I know.
Brandy Howard
She says that she had three parents growing up because she had her mom, her stepdad, and her biological dad. And because of my split family, I'm very much a realist when it comes to dating. It's been holding me back with my relationship with Max. No, what's holding you back is that Max is annoying as fuck. Okay? And you're trying to tell yourself it's not Max, it's you, because you're broken somehow inside. No, Max is annoying. You're not broken. Okay? You're paying attention.
Ben Mandelker
Also, like, I'm booing this. Boo, boo to Kathy. What? You're going to give us some backstory, and your backstory is that your parents got divorced and, like, one of your parents remarried. Hello, this is below deck. Okay? You. You start off on a good note. Last week when you told us that you were raised in a taxi company, I'm like, can we get Danny DeVito into this story? What about Mary Lou Henna or Tony Danza? It's not like you can't just come on this show and be like, my parents got divorced, okay? There needs to be a commune. There needs to be clown school. There needs to be fraud. There needs to be a baguette. There needs to be so much more. There needs to be a grandfather throwing Molotov cocktails at the Nazis. But you're like, oh, wow, My parents got divorced. Excuse me, ma', am, this is a yacht. This is not a Starbucks. Okay? Have a better backstory.
Brandy Howard
Yeah, give us more. I mean, make something up about your stepdad. I don't care. I have a stepdad, and he was a clown revolutionary who threw bombs at Nazis. I don't know. Okay, that works. That's fine. It's not the most.
Ben Mandelker
There we go.
Brandy Howard
But that's fine. Just take everyone else's backstory. My grandfather, my stepfather was a clown, a Nazi, and drove a taxi that talked like Herbie.
Ben Mandelker
Okay, yes, yes, yes. That's what we're talking about. But, like, oh, I have commitment issues because my parents got divorced. I mean, what are we in, like, normal life? No, I don't think so. This is. This is below deck. You need to step it up.
Brandy Howard
So Nathan goes to talk to V, and she says she's going to the hotel. And he says, to get better now, they have to turn over the boat. Vy goes to the hotel, and she get. The vamp stops for her, and she gets in the van and goes as that driver. You know that that driver was like, really? You've even got the door open. Could you stick your head out the door? I know you're sick, okay? I don't need to have it all over my face, all over the back of my neck.
Ben Mandelker
It's just shocking how much people are disgusting. You know, they just will. Like, we are raised. I think globally, people are raised. Cover your mouth when you cough. Okay? Now, I know that masks have gotten politicized, and now if you have a stance on a mask, it's a whole. It's a lightning rod issue, which is literally the stupidest thing in the world. But, like, it's just an extension of that. Like, cover your fucking mouth. Like, don't cough in my face, okay? If you've got a cough, keep it buried. Like, even cough into your shirt. Do something. But don't just step into a car and just cough onto someone's ear.
Brandy Howard
B. Yeah, V. So Nathan comes. Oh, no, I've already done that. So now Joe is cozying up to Kizzy already. I mean, this woman has just walked off the boat. And he's immediately like, oh, you look lovely, don't you? Oh, yes. You just look so lovely. Ah, God, I can't remember the last time I said that. Oh, about five minutes ago. With voice. Yeah.
Ben Mandelker
Max, meanwhile, tells Kathy, oh, you look like Marie Antoinette. Oh, yes. That's a big compliment for me, because I'm a rebellion. You know what? I hate I hate. I hate people in power. Which is why you are the beautiful Marie Antoinette. I'm like, you know the story of Marie Antoinette, right?
Brandy Howard
I know. Is this your subtle way of asking for head, get out of here? And of course, she doesn't know. She doesn't know who that is. She's like, I don't know who that is. So now it's a boys van and a girl's van, and the boys. Max like, bro, did you see the boobies? She got boobies on hell. And Nathan's like, well, if you want me to look, I'll look. And then we go to the girls van, and Kizzy and Asha are just texting. Then kiss is like, oh, there's just. There's something going on between Joe and I. Genuinely, I don't think I've ever got on with someone as well. I get on with Joe, I think.
Ben Mandelker
So here's what's obnoxious about this, aside from the base level obnoxiousness of anything that comes out of Kizzy's mouth, is if this guy is, like, with your friend and, you know they are together and you've said enough. Like, I would never do anything because she really likes him. And you know also that she's in a fragile place or whatever. The fact that she keeps on, like, going on about this to people, like, wow, there's just something between us is so shitty, I think, because she's obviously trying to advance a narrative and, like, shift things or whatever. And, like, if. I don't know, I kind of just feel like, even if you felt that way, I would just sort of keep it to myself. Or maybe I would, like, treat it with, like, a little bit more gravity, because someone could get hurt in that situation. Like, maybe pull Asia to the side and be like, I have a weird situation because I feel like there's something going on between us. But, like, my friend. But the fact that she just sort of, like, announced in the van, like, oh, my God, isn't that hilarious, guys? Knowing full well that something like that could just get back to V and be hurtful. Like, I just think it's just shitty. I just think the way she moves is shitty.
Brandy Howard
No, that's why she's doing it. She's. She's dedicated to her game, you know, she's like, even if I don't end up hooking up with this guy, I'm gonna make everybody think I'm going to, and I'm gonna make it get back to V. I'm gonna talk to literally every person on this boat just so I break it up. Yeah. Just to, like, hurt that. So Kathy's like, oh, he's such a nice guy. Hey, no. What gave you that idea? And Asha's like, I mean, I love.
Ronnie Chieng
Joe, but, you know, I really do.
Brandy Howard
Hate any guy that just always does this, like, doing his duck lips.
Ben Mandelker
Yes.
Brandy Howard
Try his, like, faux model thing. And Kathy's like, yeah, he does do that, doesn't he? Smolders, doesn't he? Yeah, he really does.
Ben Mandelker
Kizzy tells us the Kizzy puzzle is a very complex one. I'm like, no, no, you didn't get. That's not from in your life. And now you crave male attention. And the puzzle has been solved. It's a one piece puzzle.
Brandy Howard
Yeah. You're having. You're a male centered person who always loses the mail. And it's gonna happen again. You're gonna center around the mail to get what you want to hurt someone else's feelings. And he's still gonna cry and dump you later and then make you feel guilty about it. Have fun.
Ben Mandelker
Nothing complaining. It's not even a puzzle. It's just a square. It's like you opened up a jigsaw puzzle and there's just a giant square in there and it's done.
Brandy Howard
Here comes one right now.
Ben Mandelker
So she's like, but it's still. It's one that I'm still struggling, kind of struggling to put together myself. Maybe I need to do some self therapy. And so now it's like going back and forth between her, like, as a therapist and then her as a patient. She's like, welcome to therapy, Kizzy Kitchener. I'm your therapist, Kizzy Kitchener. By the way, I didn't realize her last name was Kitchener. And really makes sense what her profession is. She literally works in the kitchen.
Brandy Howard
I love that she's. But I love that her name is Kitchener. And she still won't the chef. And he's like, please. She's like, oh, I just think I wish there was one man I was compatible with. Just one person with a penis who God would fit with Kitchener. It's like we're literally in a kitchen right now. Nope, can't think of one. All right.
Ben Mandelker
Her last name isn't even kitchen. It's like, Kizzy Kitchener. The implications. Kitchener is like, she's someone who does kitchens. She's a Kitchener. She still won't do the guy in the kitchen. So she does this fake therapy thing, and it's stupid and nothing is solved.
Brandy Howard
I think it's amusing how Amusing. She thinks she is. And this audience probably just hates her. I mean, I don't read a lot of, like, below deck Reddits or anything. I'm assuming everyone hates her, but wow, I think so. So she's like, well, I'm not gonna do anything. And check out Kathy's like, okay, listen, a cheeky little flirt. Whatever. Just stay toxic, queen. Stay toxic.
Ben Mandelker
And because he laughs, Stay toxic. I'm like, no, she was. She was making fun of sarcasm. Yeah, that was sarcasm.
Brandy Howard
So they go to dinner, and Kathy's in a much better mood today. She says she needs a drink because she's feeling frisky. And then Joe pulls out the chair for Kizzy, and the boys go smoke. And Josh is asking Kizzy and Asia if either of them snore. You know, it's. We're seeing Josh's game, basically. He's like, so does anyone here snow?
Ben Mandelker
Anyone here have a deathly fear of clowns? Anyone?
Brandy Howard
Anyone ever tried growing broccoli in human? Anyone?
Ben Mandelker
Anyone wants to see the picture of me naked with just a butternut squash covering my privates because I was on commune? No.
Brandy Howard
Kizzy hates snores. And Asia's like, scott snores.
Ronnie Chieng
And I love it. It's just so loud and comforting. I miss Scott.
Brandy Howard
Well, she really does love him. I mean, the talk of how much she misses his snoring, she loves.
Ben Mandelker
And she starts to cry at the table. So everyone's like, oh, Aisha.
Ronnie Chieng
She's like, what I love about mine and Scott's relationship is we let each other go off and chase our dreams. But I do find that the older I get, I'm thinking about the future, and maybe it's not on a boat, because guess what? It's more fun to stick your finger up someone's bum when it's on land.
Brandy Howard
Yeah. So she's crying and she's leaving. She's going to be out of here soon is basically what she's telling us. So now, food, drink. Shot, shot, shot, shots. And Kathy's like. And a huck, huck, huck to a jolly good. Max is like, oh, she's so romantic. Oh. And then Joe and Kizzy go to the bathroom together. Super subtle, these two. So they go downstairs into kind of like the bathroom foyer. What would you call that? Like a little waiting room for the bathroom. And then, yeah, he. She sits down and he's like massaging her. And they're getting all sexy.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. Acting in a way that you wouldn't act if you've basically been talking to someone and saying that you want to.
Brandy Howard
You know, I'm thinking of nobody else relationship. Nobody else but you. It's only you. Only. Yeah.
Ben Mandelker
And you don't want to hurt someone, and you're talking about how you don't want to hurt someone. And then after the season's done, you want to, like, go off and do other things with them. Just acting a way that you wouldn't act when you say those things. But of course he's doing it. But the way. But acting the way you do act when you are just a paint by the numbers fuck boy.
Brandy Howard
Yeah. So back at the table, Nathan is talking to Asia and Josh and he's like, they want to fuck so bad right now from day one. And Josh is like, yeah, well, she still wants him. I know that. And he's like, 100. And listen, I don't want them to. I don't want them to.
Ronnie Chieng
I don't want him to either. And the way he's behaving is making V think that they're only with each other. And so if he did something with Kizzy tonight, it would be. It would be.
Ben Mandelker
So Nathan's, like, watching this flirtatious behavior between Kizzy and Joe. I'm just thinking about V, man. V has just got off the boat, you know?
Ronnie Chieng
Yeah. It just makes it even more complicated knowing that V experience losing the love of her life. This is probably the first time she's feeling any sort of romantic excitement since then.
Brandy Howard
So Nathan's like, oh, if they do that, it's going to create tension because I don't stand for that. He better not this up. And he tells them he's like a dog with two dicks.
Ben Mandelker
He's just like a dog with one dick. Honestly, I think dogs are not known for being, like, terribly monogamous. I think dog, a dog with one day can really get around.
Brandy Howard
Yeah. So now they go back in the vans, and Joe's like, what am I supposed to do, man? And Nathan's like, you can't do it. You can't do it. Please don't do it. And then the other man and the other van, Max and Kathy, she has her legs in his lap and he's like, oh. And she invites him to sleep in her cabin. And she's like, let's go to the hot tub first. And he's like, oh, I love your air like this. She goes, do you prefer it when it's wavy or like this? And he's like.
Ben Mandelker
Such a rebel. So then Asia still telling everyone in the van that she told Scott that she's so happy she gets to spend the rest of her life with him, which is very nice. And then they're just go. Now they get back to the boat, they get in the hot tub. They're. They're drunk. They're making out. Nathan's foot winds up in Kathy's vagina. You know, these things happen. And Joe and Kizzy are being really close and really flirty, and they're also very, very drunk. And Joe's like, I'm not very good, am I? She goes, no, it appears not.
Ronnie Chieng
Because, well, maybe.
Ben Mandelker
She'S like, I don't know what you're saying, but you're hot. So I'll just pretend like I do.
Brandy Howard
Yeah. So they're wasted and Asian and Nathan are side eyeing them, and he's like, this is up. I'm going to bed. And she's like, same.
Ronnie Chieng
Could anybody stand out my room? Stand outside my room and just sound like Darth Vader for a bit so I can go to sleep.
Ben Mandelker
And by the way, notice that, like, Nathan totally removes himself from that situation. Admittedly, Joe and Kizzy are adults, and they do not need tending after. But if Nathan was really concerned about what Joe would be doing. And also, even if Asher were. But I feel like it's a little bit more on Nathan, he would be like, hey, Joe, you should come to bed also. But he's just like, I'm out of your piece.
Brandy Howard
Nah, he already. He already knows what Joe's gonna do. He's known a million Joes. He's been yachting for a long time. He knows what's him. Sure. He's been a Joe many times. He knows what Joe's doing, and he's just like, I'm out of here. See?
Ben Mandelker
And try to get. No point in trying to help him out. It's too late.
Brandy Howard
Yeah. And it's not his responsibility. I mean, he's. That's the thing. Like, you're best friends with a douchebag. What are you gonna do? Like, get mad when they're a douchebag? He's a douchebag. He knows he's a douchebag. That's his friend. I'm. I'm the big. He's acting shocked.
Ronnie Chieng
Actually.
Ben Mandelker
I'm gonna. I. I'm pushing back slightly. Normally, I would actually 100 agree with you. And I'm only gonna be 99 because I agree. At a certain point, you're adults. Like, you just make your choices. And, like, you know, when you're like, 23 you feel like, oh, my God, I have to protect, I have to step in. But, like, so normally I'd be like, you know what? You make your own choices. But in this case, Nathan is the boson, and he knows that this will cause an issue on deck. It'll be.
Brandy Howard
It.
Ben Mandelker
It will. He already says. He already said at some point in the episode, like, the last thing I want is for this to happen. Because, you know, they're both like, V and Joe, both on my team. So I think actually for the smoothness. Not smoothness, but for the tranquility of your team, you would be like, hey, I'm pulling you back to bed. Because I don't need drama on deck. So I think there's 1% I disagree with you. Where I think that.
Brandy Howard
Yeah, yeah. Just in terms of.
Ben Mandelker
As a boss, he could have stepped in.
Brandy Howard
Yeah. So now everybody goes, what's that?
Ben Mandelker
I said, but I don't really care as much as I sound like.
Brandy Howard
Yeah. I mean, I just. I mean, honestly, my whole thing is like, I don't care. It's like arguing about what should be on top in a trash compactor. Like, I really. Yeah, they're trash. And I think that it's probably better for V to realize that she's with trash, because the whole thing, the whole danger was someone like V. It's like, if everybody protects her from this, she's gonna go around like, oh, my God, he's such a good guy. And I finally broken a man. You know how she. She's been doing. And I think it's better that she just separates.
Ben Mandelker
Learns the hard way.
Brandy Howard
Yeah.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah.
Brandy Howard
Because he's a good faker. So it's like they're putting him in a situation where he's not going to be able to fake his way out of this one, which he'll still try to do by crying and being like, it was just drunkenness instead of premeditation, which I talked to this girl about her for two days, you know. So then Joe and Kizzy, of course, stay up. Everyone else is drunk eating downstairs. Nathan's going to bed with Lucky Charms, which is just. I think if we wrote that, it would be, like, so, like, racist. Like, of course he is. And then we go back to the hot tub, and Kissy's like, oh, I think we should probably go before we fall in love, eh? And he's like, yes, before this turns in to a problem because we're having too much of a laugh. Am I right? As I rub your neck.
Ben Mandelker
So they all go to. They're all getting out of bed and out of the hot tub, etc, and then Kizzy and Joe are at a table and his legs are on her chair and he's like, I'm going to bed after this. I can't deal with you. And she's like, it's your choice, not mine. But it's nice that we can be so stupid. But I still find you sexy. But just like. So then Joe was like, oh, that's the fucking thing. Oh, I can't. I can't get with you because of the cos of Victoria. And she's like, no, no, no, of course not. Because we've got V. No, no, of.
Ronnie Chieng
Course not, of course not.
Ben Mandelker
And it's not even on the table, babes. No, we're not. Where's the camera? Can we make sure the camera gets us saying, it's absolutely not on the table, babes, that we're gonna get together?
Brandy Howard
Yeah, Victoria, she doesn't deserve, like, disrespect from me. Yeah, let's go to bed. Because you're trouble and you're wearing me jumper. And so they get up and he's like, oh, there's just such a massive battle between what I want and what I don't want and what I know is wrong and what I know is right. So Kizzy goes around the corner, they see the camera where the camera is and they go and they hide behind the camera so the camera can't get them. And then they start making out and then they. They show a close up of water dripping into a bucket, which I didn't get. Did you see that?
Ben Mandelker
I was confused. I was like. I was like, trying to discern what they were trying to show us. I was like, what?
Brandy Howard
Huh? Yeah. I was like, is there a reflection off something? Is this supposed to be like a leaky wiener? Like, I don't know what it was supposed to be, but it was funn. And so then she purposely, like, kind of like, oh, whoops, I'm making out too far now the camera's catching us.
Ronnie Chieng
Whoops.
Brandy Howard
And then she looks up at the camera and it's like she got caught. So you see, it's not just V you. No one can trust her. Like, I'm telling you, this girl is just making trouble just to make trouble. Like, why do you think she's gonna. Like, she's not even a good cheating partner. You know what I mean?
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, like.
Brandy Howard
And not that I'm saying, like, oh, that would be better, but at least have some skill in what you're Trying to do. You know, you can't even be a good villain. You're just. Just like. You're so bad at it.
Ben Mandelker
Yep. Yeah. No, she's trash. So then they're like, oh, no, what.
Ronnie Chieng
Are we gonna do?
Ben Mandelker
So then. Then of course, my favorite is the cameraman who comes bolting down because, you know, they told the cameraman, okay, stay back. So that way they think that they're alone. And I'm like, okay, they're caught. They know they're not alone. Go, go. Swarm. Swarm, swarm. This cameraman goes running down there and.
Brandy Howard
They' because he didn't cover the camera or something. They did something to the camera.
Ben Mandelker
They tried. Joe tried to move the camera out of the way, but at this point the cameraman was already there. And then Joe's like, oh, Kizzy just fell. She just fell down here.
Ronnie Chieng
I came to save her. She just fell. You didn't see anything?
Ben Mandelker
Like, okay, yeah.
Brandy Howard
So now they. They have to go to the galley. And she's like, oh, God, just don't talk about this ever. Don't talk about it ever. And he's like, okay, so then let's see, Max and Kathy go to bed together. And he's like, oh la la. They start doing the deed. And then Nathan sees Joe and he's like, what the happened tonight? And he's like, I can't remember, but it might cost me her.
Ben Mandelker
So now it's the next morning and Joe wakes up and he's very depressed looking, which shows that he does remember he's very, very depressed. And Kathy and Max are still in bed and she's like, like, what if every single person knows that we've just.
Ronnie Chieng
How embarrassing.
Ben Mandelker
He's like, oh, I will not say anything for a few hours.
Brandy Howard
So yeah, right. He's gonna come out of there high fiving everybody.
Ben Mandelker
Like, yeah, I know. Yes. We punch in the air like he's rocky. So Josh sees Kizzy in the kitchen. He's like, okay, give me the gossip. She's like, literally no gossip. He's like, no way. No, seriously, there's no gossip.
Brandy Howard
So then we go to Max and Joe, and Max is like, oh, do you remember how we come back? And he's like, I do, actually. No, No, I don't. And so they're saying, joe, do you remember about last night? He's like, absolutely nothing. I'm claiming the old blackout defense.
Ben Mandelker
Bits and pieces. What I remember is a blur. So he's. He just says that he remembers having fun. So. Sure. What's so what? I Like about this is that they are both really shitty. Both as a partner and as a friend. And then they both are very comfortable lying. So great. Great episode for both of you.
Brandy Howard
Yeah. So kiss. Josh is still giving Kizzy a look.
Ronnie Chieng
And she's like, stop giving me that look.
Brandy Howard
Okay? Just deny. Tonight, tonight, tonight, tonight. And I don't tell V. Tonight, tonight. So now Captain Sandy comes to get him because. Guys, guys, it's time to go see the Alingi Red Bull Race. Okay? Alingi. Alingi. Alingi. Alingi. Alingi. Alingi. I'm gonna say Alingi as many times as I can. Okay, let's go. So they go into some Red Bull branded boats, and they go to the Alingi. The Alingi Little Tiny Boat Race Festival.
Ben Mandelker
Linky Tiny Little Boat Race. So guess what, everyone, we're here. So the Lingi Red Bull racing team headquarters. It's very exclusive. You know, Norma can't even get within like a 10 mile radius of this place. It's so exclusive. But that has to do with just the fact that she stalked the owner of it for many years in a row, and they became very alarmed with her presence. So anyway, to be able to be part of this is super cool. It's just one of the perks of. Of yachting is getting to go check out Alingi. It's the Roger Federer of boats, basically.
Brandy Howard
Yeah. So they get like a little tour of this place, and they're like, oh, my God, it's so amazing. And they see it and they're. And then guess what? Matchmaker, matchmaker. Make you a match, find you a fine, Catch you a cash. It's me, matchmaker. Turn some butter. Okay, Because I've done it. Alicia. I mean, Aisha. I have a very special present for you outside. Something Norman's never had a date show up. Okay, Go out there and check it out. And it's scotch.
Ronnie Chieng
Like.
Brandy Howard
The Alingi headquarters starts, like, crumpling.
Ben Mandelker
It's Brigadoon, just disappears for 12 years. Scott is dressed like he is someone who works at a lingi. And so when he turns around, she's like. And so she cries and it's lovely. And Max, like, who is that? This is crazy that she falls in love so quickly with some of them. A Lingi like, no, that's Scott. He's like, no, me. So everyone's like, oh, this is so sweet. I'm surprised Kizzy wasn't like, hey, Scott, I like the way he looks. I kind of feel like, we have a vibe together.
Brandy Howard
Gosh, Scott won't stop flirting with me. So he found out when her day off was and called Sandy, and they hooked it up. And so it's, like, really romantic. And Sandy's like, Captain Sandy. More like Cupid Sandy Lingy.
Ben Mandelker
So Scott's gonna join them tonight on the boat, and they finished their tour. And Asia's just, like, so excited. She's so happy. And Joe is now talking to Kizzy, being like, I genuinely don't remember what happened last night.
Ronnie Chieng
I think we played Scrabble.
Ben Mandelker
And she's like, well, we were like, we, you should probably go to bed because this is gonna. This is going away, that it shouldn't go. And I went, oh, don't kiss me. Don't kiss me. And it was like.
Ronnie Chieng
Like, it was like a little teehee. Because I think you kissed me.
Ben Mandelker
Do you remember? So I think it's so funny that the way she's, like, jogging his memory to this thing that they're like, we won't say a thing. We won't say a thing. But she's like, remember though, that we did this though, right? Like, I want to make sure this is logged in your brain, because if you happen to gossip about it and then it comes out and then your relationship goes down the. Goes down the tube, then we could be together. That would be pretty fun. But don't say anything. Don't say anything.
Brandy Howard
Well, yeah, I mean, she has to get it on record that he knows what they did so she doesn't look like a liar later when she reveals what they did. So he's like, I can't afford to hurt Victoria. And she's like, that's why we don't say anything. So she's like, well, here's the thing. I don't regret having a kiss with Joe. You know, we've had great vibes from literally the day he walked on. But because, you know, her boyfriend died and everything, I shouldn't add more fuel to the fire because, you know, that would be shitty. That would be a shitty thing to do. No, it's shitty what you did. Adding fuel to the fire by telling her doesn't make it less shitty. Not telling her doesn't make it less shitty.
Ben Mandelker
Whatever.
Brandy Howard
So he's doing the whole, what the.
Ronnie Chieng
Fuck have I done, bro?
Brandy Howard
Just what you've been planning to do for two days. I will not accept the I am blacked out and it's all alcohol's faults. Like, I'm sick of it. Why doesn't Tito Sue These people, you know, they've got to be so sick of being blamed for everything. They're like, we're just a refreshing beverage. And you. You people use us for every excuse in the book.
Ben Mandelker
Like, it don't. Are you ever like, do people like this ever get embarrassed? I mean, do you ever think, like, isn't it so embarrassing that people see me and they know exactly what I'm gonna do and it doesn't matter what I say because they know I'm gonna do it and then I do do it like that. I'm so predictable like that. Like, when aren't you embarrassed that we see you come onto the show and we see. We say exactly what your story beats are gonna be like, aren't you mortified that that's how you operate in life?
Brandy Howard
Life?
Ben Mandelker
See, I know the answer. The answer is no. They're. They're not embarrassed. But, like, I would be mortified. So, of course. Now, first. First rule of boy ism, which is that you've got to align your image with your mother. So he calls his mom, and she's like, oh, yajao. And he's like, mom, I made a mistake.
Ronnie Chieng
Remember Victoria that I was telling you about? As she's. She means a great deal for me, which is why I call her Victoria. She's like, yeah. He's like, well, last night I got drunk, but there's another girl named Kizzy. Oh, Joe, you gotta do something about it. Yeah, Jo Jo. Why you crying, Joe? No, Joe, you're gonna make me cry, Joe.
Brandy Howard
But here's the thing. Vy's off the boat because she's not well, and V's got a situation that I can't even wish upon me worst enemy. And the first night she's not here.
Ronnie Chieng
I go and do this shit, Ma.
Ben Mandelker
I go.
Brandy Howard
It's like, oh, just be honest. Just be truthful. Cause, you know, she's not your girlfriend anyway, is she? What you gonna do? It's her own fault. It's her own fault for not locking you down, son. Boys will be boys.
Ronnie Chieng
He's like, huh? I just don't want to hurt her today. Jesus Christ. Such a good boy to get me so upset like this, Joe.
Brandy Howard
And he's like, I can't imagine the.
Ronnie Chieng
Pain that she's going through, Mom. She's like, oh, you've got me crying now, Joe. I'm the one going through the pain.
Brandy Howard
Knowing my boy is such a good.
Ronnie Chieng
Boy with feelings for somebody to felt the fact that you would feel like this for somebody else's feelings.
Brandy Howard
Joe, you raised a fucking asshole, okay? Get stronger on the phone. And you owe me an apology for raising that piece of shit. How about like, Joe, get your shit together and maybe treat women a little bit better. And treating someone like this and then waking up and crying to your mother to get some oddity and sympathy is not really a good, good look. So get your together and grow the up. You've barely got a hairline left.
Ben Mandelker
Okay, see, I genuinely like Victoria.
Ronnie Chieng
The number one thing is that I.
Ben Mandelker
Don'T want to hurt her. It doesn't matter how many times you call V Victoria does not mean you respect her. Okay? Just cuz you use the full name does not mean that you've afforded any sort of thoughtfulness to this, this, this girl. But now he's like, oh, I just.
Ronnie Chieng
Don'T want to hurt her.
Ben Mandelker
Like, I don't care how many times you say I don't want to hurt her. You already have done the thing. That's too late.
Brandy Howard
It's.
Ben Mandelker
You've done it. You've been a piece of shit. You lived up to everyone's expectations in the worst way.
Brandy Howard
Yeah. So now it's like a relaxing day. Asia's, you know, using scissors to cut a pizza as you do, and Max is talking to Scott and being like, oh, she loves you so much. Love? I love love. I'm French. The way she is speaking about you, I'm like, wow, you know, oh, it is like how my grandfather thought spoke of bombs that he was about to throw Nazis.
Ben Mandelker
I love love, but I also love rebellion. I also love waving a big flag and I love stealing bread for my family.
Ronnie Chieng
It's like, you're just doing lay miserable. I need to make a poo.
Brandy Howard
And Scott's like, oh, God, she's always talking about poo.
Ben Mandelker
So then in their room, Joe and Nathan are talking and Joe's like. And Joe's like, oh, he's like furious. He's giving him this look. Joe's like, it wasn't a. I just.
Ronnie Chieng
Was like, it was just like a quick peck.
Ben Mandelker
I'm like, you claim you don't remember, so how are you going to explain what sort of kiss it was? So Nathan is mad?
Brandy Howard
Yeah, it's like, I'm disappointed. It's clear the man doesn't learn from his mistakes. And now, I mean, didn't you just make out with Kissy two nights ago? What the hell are you talking. I mean, I know he's not technically with Gail or whatever, but you're still calling Gail and being like I miss you. I wish I could see you. He's like, so now to see him playing with V. It just doesn't float my boat. I don't think it's cool.
Ben Mandelker
So now they go out, and Sandy's getting. While they're going into their van, Sandy gets a response from a deckhand that says, hello, Captain Sandy. Yes, I am available to come on board. Oh, no. I dropped an anchor on my foot again. That's a gale.
Brandy Howard
It's gonna be a surprise. So now everybody wants to be as in love as Scott and Asia. And Max is like, well, Gabby is good, but she teaches me how to don't care. You know, just to and don't care. Which is good.
Ben Mandelker
It's good. So you fucked her?
Ronnie Chieng
Oh, no.
Ben Mandelker
Oh, no.
Brandy Howard
So now they go to this place that they're going to, and Kathy and Max are kissing, and they are at the Tableau de Carmen where they're going to see flamenco dancing. And Nathan. Nathan's like, I remember this place. I came here with Gail. Let's show a clip. Oh, gosh, I can't remember. I can't believe what a time it was. Now here I am, alone, having this memory without Gale. Gal, Gal, gal, gal, gal. Do you think he knows Gale's coming back?
Ben Mandelker
I mean, he's gotta know.
Brandy Howard
I suspect he knows because the whole thing, like, oh, I can't believe a boy is making out with a girl when she's. You know, when he's committed to some other girl. I think he's. He's trying to get on Gale's good side, I think, already.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. And I also firmly believe that the producers scanned his social media and saw that he went there and was like, we gotta put. We gotta do this here. We gotta go to the flamenco place. Also, an unsolicited review from our note taker, Shelby, who says that Tableau de Carmen is really cool. I went there on a trip in high school in 2010. So I wonder if Nathan was like, I remember when I was here in high school, oh, my God. I jumped into someone else's body. Oh, my God. So huge endorsements for Tableau de Carmen. So he's now having. He's spiraling because he's remembering what it was like to be there with Gail, you know, just that supermodel he pushed out of his life.
Brandy Howard
And so, yeah, so Max wants to kiss Kathy, and she's like, you make me feel like I'm the only person in the room and that there's only very little oxygen left, which you are currently taking up. And it just makes me feel like a million dollars. So that's romantic. I still can't believe she's into Max. It's weirding me out at this point.
Ben Mandelker
It is weird because he's very.
Brandy Howard
He's just so Pepe Le Pew, like just all over. He's like a, like a. A squirrel. Just like going around a tree over and over again, you know, climbing a tree.
Ben Mandelker
It's just. He just reminds me of like a 14 year old. He actually reminds me like a 13 year old. It reminds me of like when I went to my cousin's son's bar mitzvah and like all the little boys all like the 13, the man I shouldn't say 13 years old were like, you know, playing football on the dance floor and then they all like pile onto each other. They all like work themselves into a tizzy. I'm like, that's what Max is. Max is just like, he's just a hyperactive kid on a dance floor at a bar mitzvah. That's. And I'm like, how does Kathy like that?
Brandy Howard
Yeah.
Ben Mandelker
But then we see this amazing flamenco. I love this flamenco. This lady was in it. She was dancing up a storm. And like.
Brandy Howard
And I just love the drama. It's like stamping, stamping, stamping. It's like.
Ben Mandelker
Yes, it was great. And Josh starts to cry. Cuz he loves the artistry of it. And he's like, I'm going to put this into my food. So next time you see an omelette, just know I swirled a few times and incanted from the my gut, like.
Brandy Howard
Why do we have skill in our eggs? Why? He's like, I stomped it. I stomped it. That's why he's like, I would like to would like you to enjoy your lobster Benedict.
Ben Mandelker
So Joe kiss is like, I don't know what the they were saying, but I sobbed at that trio. And Joe's like, he was going, you're.
Ronnie Chieng
The love of my life and I've done you wrong. And then she got like upset and.
Ben Mandelker
She'S like, that's hilarious. What a funny show.
Brandy Howard
So girls, we're just trying to think.
Ronnie Chieng
Of where Scott and I are gonna sleep.
Brandy Howard
And they're like, oh, just take the queen.
Ronnie Chieng
And she's like, well, I'm sorry because I know you guys made the bed in the first place. I'm so sorry.
Brandy Howard
So they get the, they get the main room and everybody's on the boat. So they do have to actually discuss it, you know, because it's not like most seasons where there's one couple who automatically is going to take it. And now V is texting Joe in the van, and she's like, I miss you, nose blowing emoji.
Ben Mandelker
And then Nathan afterwards is like, I'm gonna go see Gail after this boy. It's like, really? He's like. And they'll. And Josh is like, well, why the do you say that? He's like, well, you know. Oh, because Joe is upset because Joe doesn't like Gail. Because again, another beautiful facet of Joe is that he is. Was a dick to Gail for really no reason. Just because he's like, insecure guy. And Nathan's saying. Saying Scott and Asia and, like, how they were so happy seeing each other. And it's kind of just like sparked something in me, you know, how it makes you three think of what's important in life. And then obviously going to the flamenco thing. Oh, the memory just came flooding back to me. Flamenco, etc. So he's getting nostalgic. Also, it's that he's just not attracted to any of the girls on board. So he's like, oh, yeah, there was that super hot girl that, like, I was actually in love with, so maybe I should go back to that.
Brandy Howard
So now they go back to the boat and Asian Scott go get dirty. And Nathan, after just being so romantic, is like, smells like salami. And then Max goes with Kathy, and she's got a face mask on. He's like, what is this? Oh, are you robbing a bank?
Ben Mandelker
And actually, I think he said it was very funny. He said, are you robbing to blend the bank? So then V texts Kizzy and she's like, hey, thinking about you on the boat. How's it going? Because, you know, there was a producer that was like, hey, V, why don't you text your friends, see how they're doing?
Brandy Howard
Yeah? And she's like, yeah, thinking about you on the boat. Barf emoji. How's it going? Blow nose emoji. And then she's like, I feel bad. She's texting me. Yeah, because you texted her. Weren't you acting like she's just such a troublemaker, this one? And just like, oh. And he closes the door and she's like, I do feel like a really bad person. Well, that's good. Did cuz you are. And Joe's like, yeah, same. I'm gonna tell her. And she goes, oh, for sake. And he's like, no. And then he just leaves. He's like, Good night.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. And then Scott. Scott has to leave for the airport. So Scott, nature say goodbye. And a. Just like.
Ronnie Chieng
There have just been so many moments this season where I've just been like, gosh, I really wish that Skull was here. And so to actually spend time with him, like, is a moment that we'll cherish, remember forever. Remember the time you put on someone else's uniform and surprise with the air lingi headquarters.
Ben Mandelker
Oh, yeah.
Brandy Howard
All right. All right.
Ben Mandelker
Stupid Sandy.
Brandy Howard
Sandy. Yeah. Worked it. You just got stuck by the. The bow of Sandy. So she's like, nathan, Nathan. Bridge. Bridge. Okay, Nathan, I don't want you to go into this charter without another deckhand, okay? So I'm bringing in someone that you know. Oh, she's really gorgeous. She's a model. You fucked it up the first time. Okay, let's see if this time you can park the boat. It's Gail. He's like, oh, Jesus, I'm so nervous. I just burped up salami. No.
Ben Mandelker
You know, for a short, filling position like this, Gail's a perfect fit. She's familiar with how the boat runs, familiar with the team. And we can break her heart when we tell her that Nathan made out with Kizzy. And then. And then we can just send her on our way. So it's sort of a perfect match for us.
Brandy Howard
And she says that Gail's perfect for this because she already knows the boat, she already knows the team. And, you know, she's been working on vessels ever since. So she's gained even more experience. Wow. It's meant to be. Why? I just cupid it myself. Cupid got stung by his own arrow. Jeez.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, so Nathan's like. Goes up to Joan's like, bro. So V is not joining us as charter, but we have a replacement.
Ronnie Chieng
Do we? Who is it? Who can I fucking like?
Ben Mandelker
No, it's Gail. He's like, oh, you're taking the piss, aren't you? You're taking the piss.
Ronnie Chieng
What the.
Ben Mandelker
For the most part of last season, me and Gail, we were a good team until we started butting heads. No, you started butting heads with her cuz you were condescending and obnoxious to her. It's not old.
Brandy Howard
Yeah, cuz he always thought she was getting like an easy, the easier job cuz she's a girl. And he was like, yeah, we see the flashback to her being like, you're a princess. And she's like, and you're a dick. And so then Nathan is telling Max and Asia and Ace is like, oh, My God. So Kathy is asking Kizzy if she's gonna get a cabin mate or if she's gonna be alone. And I don't know. Who is it?
Ben Mandelker
It's Gail.
Brandy Howard
We already know. So it's raining and everybody's watching Nathan, who's freaking out because he hasn't seen her in 10 months and he doesn't know if he's gonna get a kick in the nuts or not. So let's see. But I love that Kizzy has set herself up now to be on this boat with both Gail and V, and I hope she gets her comeuppance.
Ben Mandelker
I know. And next week, it looks like Nathan is going to profess his love to Gail, which would be sort of sweet and lovely if he didn't make me hate him over the weekend. Oh, well, that's life. So we. We do have that to look forward to next week. And thanks, everyone, for being here. Be sure to follow us on Patreon and on Instagram and wherever else you may want to follow us. Or don't. You can live your life without following us. That's fine. It's fine.
Brandy Howard
Who are we?
Ben Mandelker
Thanks for being here and we'll catch you on the next episode. Bye, everyone.
Brandy Howard
Bye.
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"Below Deck Med S10E12: Kizz and Tell"
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: December 16, 2025
This episode of Watch What Crappens recaps and gleefully dissects Below Deck Mediterranean Season 10, Episode 12, “Kizz and Tell.” Ben and Ronnie deliver their signature blend of mockery and insight, focusing on this week’s drama—especially the scandalous (and not-at-all-unexpected) hook-up between Joe and Kizzy, just as poor, heartbroken V is booted from the boat due to illness. The hosts joke about the predictability of reality TV personalities, call out the cast's trashy behavior, and delight in having their Bravo instincts validated. There’s relationship chaos, backstabbing, tepid leadership, and much gossipy Schadenfreude—all served up with Ben and Ronnie’s witty banter.
On Joe’s Predictability:
“Aren’t you embarrassed that we see you come onto the show and we say exactly what your story beats are gonna be? Like, aren’t you mortified that that’s how you operate in life?”
—Ben (61:10)
On Kizzy’s Motivations:
“She’s dedicated to her game. Even if I don’t end up hooking up with this guy, I’m gonna make everybody think I’m going to and I’m gonna make it get back to V. I’m gonna talk to literally every person on this boat.”
—Ronnie (41:27)
On Max’s “Rebellion”:
“My grandfather was a war hero...his blood in my veins. That’s why I have a bit of a problem with authority. I know. Boss on the plan is going to give me that. You like, wiping down a window is just really not the same level as throwing a Molotov cocktail at the Nazis.”
—Ben (31:09)
On V’s Exit:
“Get out of here, kid. I’m sure there’s a continental breakfast. Get everyone at a hotel sick. Bye. Get out.”
—Ronnie (32:39)
Ben and Ronnie are in peak form: irreverent, catty, deeply judgmental, and thoroughly entertaining. Their tone is loving-hateful, both celebrating and eviscerating the cast's idiocy with vivid analogies, pop cultural references, and running gags. The show is rich with inside jokes, knowing nods to Bravo canon, and whiplash-inducing shifts from empathy to mockery.
This episode delivers a detailed, hilarious breakdown of Below Deck Med’s most predictable scandal yet. The hosts’ Bravo expertise shines as their “profiling” of Joe and Kizzy is vindicated spectacularly, even as they revel in the chaos and mock the “trash” left in the wake. Side plots with Max and the mini-arc of Aisha and Scott spice up the show. Looking forward, the return of Gail guarantees even more awkwardness and drama—much to Ronnie and Ben’s delight.
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