#3128 RHOP S10E12 Part Two: Don’t Let the Sun Go Down On Me

Summary

Watch What Crappens | Episode #3128 Recap

RHOP S10E12 Part Two: Don’t Let the Sun Go Down On Me
Released: December 22, 2025
Hosts: Ben Mandelker ("Tiffany") & Ronnie Karam ("Brandy")

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Episode Overview

This episode continues the hilarious and sharp-witted recap of The Real Housewives of Potomac Season 10, Episode 12. Ben and Ronnie dissect family tensions, home renovations, Bravo show tropes, and the unforgettable on-screen showdown between Wendy and her mother, Susan. With their usual mix of love, mockery, and side-splitting observations, the hosts deliver a breakdown that is as much about family dynamics as it is about reality TV absurdities.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Wendy & Eddie’s Home Renovation: The Never-Ending Story

[01:21 – 03:22]

• The hosts admire the improvements to Wendy and Eddie's house, especially the new kitchen island, though they notice imperfections in workmanship (“two shelves that were like totally crooked”—Tiffany, 02:00).
• They poke fun at how Bravo now ties up “boring domestic storylines” before the big trip episodes, only for new renovation plots to emerge.
• Quote:

  “It’s going to look great for the next family.”
  — Brandy, 01:57

2. Wendy’s Relationship with Her Father

[03:22 – 07:36]

• Wendy tries to reconnect with her estranged father, only to be met with indifference and cliché responses (“there’s no use crying over spilled milk”).
• The hosts tear into the dad for minimizing the family’s pain and Wendy’s attempt to build a storyline around it.
• Quote:

  “It’s always the ones who spilled the milk that said that. It’s like, well, it’s already spilled. Yeah, but you spilled it!”
  — Brandy, 04:56

• Both hosts sympathize with Wendy’s desire for a relationship but are firmly Team Susan (her mom), calling out the father’s absenteeism and emotional laziness.

3. Giselle’s Charity Scene

[07:36 – 08:53]

• Giselle boasts about $1.2 million raised at a Brain Tumor Society event. The hosts mock the implication that Giselle herself was responsible, joking that donations were likely to stop Ashley from singing.
• Memorable Moment:
  Brandy proposes GNA (Giselle and Ashley) should be paid to stop singing at charity events.

4. The Keiarna & Greg Condo Shuffle

[08:53 – 16:37]

• Keiarna is moving back in with Greg, but the hosts struggle to keep up with the shifting living situation: "Nothing makes sense. Nothing is interesting enough to make sense..." (Tiffany, 09:47).
• The hosts ridicule how the show's sets are indistinguishable and how Keiarna’s independence storyline fizzled out.
• Quote:

  “Are you ever going to consider being with somebody… who doesn’t help you move into their house? Like, that’s crazy.”
  — Brandy, 11:19

• The gift-giving scene is highlighted for its anticlimax: Greg gives Keiarna a jewelry store box that turns out to just have a picture frame, not jewelry.
• Further debate over shared property, with Greg dodging and deflecting on the commitment front.

5. Tia and Amira's Sisterly Reunion

[16:37 – 19:52]

• Tia meets with her half-sister Amira, both expressing regret their relationship didn’t begin earlier. They discuss family complexities stemming from their late father's infidelity.
• The hosts note a theme of the episode: forgiving absentee/cheating fathers while mothers get little grace.
• Quote:

  “The dads are getting a lot of forgiveness today on this show. We’re forgiving the dads a lot…”
  — Brandy, 19:50

6. Wendy's Family Blow-Up: The Main Event

[20:19 – 39:45]

a. Introducing Black Toilet Paper

[21:55 – 23:02]

• The hosts are both fascinated and repelled by Wendy’s choice of black toilet paper. They riff hilariously on its impracticality.
• Quote:

  “This is gross to say, but you’re used to what white toilet paper does, and it… gives you the temperature of what’s going on, you know?”
  — Brandy, 22:18

b. Confrontation with Susan & Ivy

[24:12 – 39:45]

• Wendy tells her mother and sister she reconnected with her father, reigniting old wounds. Susan (her mother) goes off, leading to a screaming match that forces Wendy to send her kids upstairs.
• Ivy’s offhand comment (“he gave birth to you”) triggers Susan, leading her to clarify in no uncertain terms she did all the work as a parent and refers to Wendy’s dad as merely a “sperm donor.”
• Quote:

  “I gave birth to her. I was the one in labor, in pain, right? Okay? He was just a freaking sperm donor.”
  — Susan (quoted by Tiffany), 25:14

• The fight escalates, with Susan standing her ground and ultimately storming out with Ivy. Wendy is left attributing her desire for a relationship with her father to being outnumbered in her own family.

7. Meta-Discussion: Was This All a Storyline?

[34:45 – 40:55]

• The hosts reflect, debating whether Wendy anticipated her mother’s eruption for the sake of a storyline, and note that while her father is getting a pass for absenteeism, Susan endures criticism for emotional outbursts.
• Quote:

  “You shouldn’t be yelling at someone like that in their own home. That’s crazy… But just to see the dynamic and just knowing, just knowing for years, or suspecting at least for years, that’s how Susan is… and then seeing her do it, it’s like, ‘Oh yeah, there she is!’”
  — Brandy, 39:51

• Ronnie (Brandy) speculates that Wendy uses these moments for screen time, whereas Ben (Tiffany) suggests this was more about showing personal growth.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [02:19] Brandy:
  “It’s never done because now she’s like, okay, I can have a storyline for next year, too. Should we do the pool or the basement?”
• [04:56] Brandy:
  “It’s always the ones who spilled the milk that said that.”
• [14:33] Brandy (on the picture frame gift):
  “So he took the mom and brother to the jewelry store and ended up buying her a picture frame. Can we please get footage of him doing that in front of the mother?”
• [25:14] Susan (via Tiffany):
  “I gave birth to her. I was the one in labor, in pain, right? Okay? He was just a freaking sperm donor.”
• [32:12] Tiffany:
  “And then Ivy and Susan both start chanting, ‘bring Eddie out, bring Eddie out.’ Mocking them with their own stupid T-shirts.”
• [39:14] Tiffany:
  “I mean, I love those scenes when it’s like, I didn’t feel like she was yelling to have a reality show moment. She was yelling because she had, like, years of pent-up anger around this situation that come tumbling out.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Wendy & Eddie’s Renovations: 01:21 – 03:22
• Wendy Calls Her Father: 03:22 – 07:36
• Giselle’s Charity Scene: 07:36 – 08:53
• Keiarna & Greg’s Condo/Fakeout Gift: 08:53 – 16:37
• Tia and Amira’s Reunion: 16:37 – 19:52
• Wendy’s Family Blow-Up: 20:19 – 39:45
  • Black Toilet Paper Digression: 21:55 – 23:02
  • Confrontation with Mom and Sister: 24:12 – 39:45

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In Summary

This episode is a masterclass in how Watch What Crappens dissects not just the dramas of Bravo, but the underlying family dynamics, motivations, and reality TV conventions. From superficial home improvements to deep generational wounds, Ronnie and Ben use cutting humor, empathy, and Bravo-lore to keep listeners laughing and thinking. The brutally honest, often uncomfortable showdown between Wendy and Susan is given the full Crappens treatment—never losing sight of the absurd side of it all.

If you missed the RHOP episode or just want to relive every cringeworthy, over-the-top moment with a side of snark, this recap has you covered.

Transcript

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[Tiffany]

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[Brandy]

Then we go to Wendy and Eddie's house and we see their new remodeled house and it looks really nice.

[Tiffany]

Oh, I was so happy with what they did with the kitchen island because I never really liked their triangle island that they had. And it was also kind of dark in there and, and now they got like a full on like long white marble kind of island. Did they even get two of them? I'm not sure. But it does look really nice. I mean like, yeah, I, I liked it. The living room looked nice. No longer, it was no longer like all white. Now it has these big sort of like black squares and everything. And it looked good. Well, it's kind of funny.

[Brandy]

It's going to look great for the next family.

[Tiffany]

I really will. At one point, Eddie was saying how he loved the cabinetry and he loved all the gold accents on it and they show a close up and it was like, it was like crooked. I don't know if you saw it, but it's like two shelves that were like totally crooked and like not aligned. And I was like, oh, oh no. Okay.

[Brandy]

No.

[Tiffany]

Can I all be winners?

[Brandy]

Yeah.

[Tiffany]

Well, so, but it, but you know.

[Brandy]

I was like, people are. It's like, yeah, we're done. You are not done. And then six months later they'll return and then Try and charge you another thousand dollars to fix the shelf they up in the first place.

[Tiffany]

We have to imagine that the finale is going to be happening in on this Colorado trip, right? Because they're starting to tie up all the loose ends at home. Like, I think I'm. Now, this is the new pattern on Bravo because it used to never be the finale at the trip. I actually, I like the finale after the trip, personally, because I like seeing the fallout from the trip a little bit, but whatever. But now what happens is, like, as we're about to approach, like, the end of the season, they like, tie up all, like, the stupid domestic storylines before they. They fly off. So that way, like, it's like, it's all complete. So this is this, this is where the. Where we're going to put a pin on. Not a pin. We're gonna. We're gonna close out this one, which is the construction storyline. It's revive. It is all not revised. I, like, I can't even talk. Can you tell that the holidays are coming up? Like, I. I can't even get the words out. Construction is done, the renovation is done, the house is done. And now we're here to look at it.

[Brandy]

It's never done. It's never done because now she's like, okay, I can have a storyline for next year, too. Should we do the pool or the basement? And so they vote to do the pool. So now they're going to build a pool which is going to be at least 100 grand. And that's a lot of Birkins to pretend that we're stolen. I don't know how they're going to pull this off, but I can't wait to see it. So now they're talking about how they're starting a new chapter, but let's talk about my dad again. She's like, you know, I don't want anything to happen. I didn't reach out, but I just wanted to call and see what happens, you know what I mean? And so she tells us her father backstory again, and she's trying to make this a thing. And so now she's gonna call her dad. So she calls her dad and they have a little conversation. And she's like, well, you know, I wanted to talk about how we went to Camp the Nigeria and then we didn't get to see you. And he's like, there's no use crying over spilled milk. And she's like, well, but I bought my whole family. And he's like, I don't care. It's like, thanks for calling me this. Is this costing me minutes or you. Because you wouldn't even be talking to me right now if I had to pay for this.

[Tiffany]

He kind of placates her with sort of easy things like, well, there's no. There's no need crying over spilled milk. And I miss you. I miss my daughter. I miss her so much. Let's not dwell in the past. I miss you. I haven't seen my daughter or my grandchildren. Oh, hopefully we can work something out. I miss you so much. Hold on. I'm getting a phone call on the other phone. Hold on one second. Oh, I'm breaking up, breaking up.

[Brandy]

Bye.

[Tiffany]

Bye, bye.

[Brandy]

Also, I hate when people say there's no use crying over spilled milk, because it's always the ones who spilled the milk that said that. It's like, well, it's already spilled. Yeah, but you spilled it. And if you don't want me to cry over it, then why aren't you holding a towel in your hand?

[Tiffany]

This was also, like, not. I would actually be really mad if it was reduced down to spilled milk. Like, oh, sorry, I haven't seen my father in 20 years. And here at the grandchildren you've never met, and we're finally. We crossed an ocean, and we're here in your country, and we're here for a few weeks and you can't make it, and you're gonna say, oh, well, don't cry for spilled milk. I was like, that was milk that was sacred, restorative milk that gives you eternal youth. That was not just any other milk. Okay? Like, don't. Don't minimize, like, just my existence into spilled milk. No, no, ma'. Am.

[Brandy]

And I said, it wasn't even spilled milk. She's like a glass. And you took the milk from the house and just left. She never got the milk. You know, like, that glass wasn't even.

[Tiffany]

The glass wasn't even like you, but you actually created the milk and then you abandoned.

[Brandy]

You abandoned the milk.

[Tiffany]

No one. No one said there needed to be milk. And then you made the milk, and then you're like, oh, wow, whoops, I spilled it.

[Brandy]

Oh, Well, I have to say, watching this, I can understand where Wendy's coming from because she lost her stepfather. You know, we know that. And I can understand her wanting her kids to meet her dad and wanting to have a relationship with her dad. I think that that's a totally understandable and relatable thing, however. Fuck that, dad. He abandoned you. He didn't do shit. And then he didn't even come meet you and your grandkids, so what the fuck are you doing? Like, it's hard to not. It's hard to support this. I mean, I'm teen mom. I'm kind of teen.

[Tiffany]

Yeah. And he gets to do the easiest thing, which is to smile and be like, oh, my God, I miss you.

[Brandy]

And.

[Tiffany]

And, you know, I appreciate her very mature take, which is like, look, I know my dad has his limitations. Like, he's never going to be the dad that I want him to be, but I can at least, like, I'll just meet him where he is, and I'll just try to have a nice relationship with him, even though he's always going to, like, flake or he'll always say these nice things, and he's never going to follow through. And she's decided that she's just going to make that work, and that's fine. I totally support that if she decides that that's what she wants, because it's more important for her to have this relationship in her family, knowing that the. Like, she's sort of compartmentalized. Not compartmentalized, but she's accepted that this person will never. Will never follow through on their promises. Like, that's fine. But this guy, it doesn't mean we have to accept it. And I think for this guy just to be like, oh, I'm just going to smile. I'm on. I'm on camera right now. I'm going to just seem like this wonderful, happy guy. I'm like, don't, don't. Why? Why is it on her to come see you? Why don't you make some effort to see your own daughter?

[Brandy]

You know, that said, I mean, if you're not going to get anything from your dad and you know you're not going to get anything from your dad, you may as well use his ass for a storyline. So I guess that's good on her. You know, she's like, well, I can just make him look stupid on national tv, so I'll go. I'll go that route. So then we go to Giselle, who is talking to chief development officer of the National Brain Tumor Society, and she's like, whoa, I'm so super happy we were able to catch up. And, God, I haven't seen you since the 5k. So how much did the Brain Tumor Society raise raised that day? $1.2 million. Wow. Wow. We did great. You did not raise $1.2 million, Giselle. Stop it with your organization, with your GNA T shirt. I Know, and she didn't say she personally did it, but I feel like it was kind of put up there to sound like she. Yeah, it was put up there. It's like, no, your. Your GNA T shirts did not do this. And you're actually singing Coffee in Love or whatever.

[Tiffany]

The people were paying. People were donating the charity just to shut Ashley up. They're like, we will pay $500 just so you can kill that microphone right now.

[Brandy]

That is what GNA should be. It should be Giselle and Ashley. Ashley starts singing, and Giselle takes dollars in a cap until she's got enough to shut Ashley up.

[Tiffany]

I know. So then we go over to Kierna and Greg because, by the way, nothing else happened in the scene. It's just like Giselle talking about the charity. So Kieran and Greg. Kierna's moving back into this condo, which I think is different from the condo last year, but it's whatever. Or whatever. This. The structure is house. Whatever it is that Greg's living in, she's moving back in. So she's moving in. And he's being all friendly. He's like, oh, wow, you got your poochie on and everything. Like. Like he knows what poochie is. I'm sure. She's like, remember to mention my capuchin camera. So he mentions the poochie, and.

[Brandy]

I'm sorry. I'm very confused. So we just saw a scene at the potluck where they said, so does this mean that she's moving back in with you? And they said, no, not yet. And then the next scene, she's moving back in with him. What happened to the apartment, the condo that you bought yourself that later it turns out that Greg bought you? What is going on? On this?

[Tiffany]

Nothing makes sense. Nothing makes sense. And nothing is interesting enough to make sense because all the houses that we ever see them in are these generic. Like, they all look like the same thing. It looks. It reminds me of when I was a. It reminds me when I was a kid. Yeah. When I had. When I got my. My parents got me a camcorder when I was in ninth grade, I started making little movies, and I'd be like, scene one was gonna be at the office, and it'd be like, in the living room from one angle. It's like, now I'm at the town hall, and it's just like the living room from a different angle. You know, it's like you're still in the living room. It's, like, blatantly still in the living room. But because I turned the camera around and showed a different wall, it was like a whole different location. And that's what all these houses look like to me. They just look like the same generic house. But I just. The only way I can tell the difference is that the one that Kierna was staying in by herself, that she's so proud of, had the panoramic view of the highway. That's the only way I can tell a difference.

[Brandy]

Yeah. So, yeah, I thought they were the same place. I couldn't even tell them apart. I thought, oh, so he's moving into her house. And then I didn't notice, like, the wacky chandelier that she has, like, the big ball chandelier. So I was like, oh, okay. I guess it's Greg's. I don't know. Either way, you know that they're good together because their taste is very, like, basic box store.

[Tiffany]

It's like, yeah, it's like Z Gallery. So Kieran is like, so this is my second time moving in with Greg. Like, clearly we're after a better start because he helped me move in with the boxes this time. And we see footage of last year when she moved in, and he just sat there while she brought in all the boxes. And, like, this year, the big remarkable thing is that he actually stood up and brought boxes in. Like, we're going to give a trophy to this guy for doing, like, the base level thing that any human should do for someone who's actually moving into this.

[Brandy]

Are you ever going to consider being with somebody, man or woman, who doesn't help you move into their house? Like, that's crazy. Like, who sat there and watched you move in boxes? Wow, I forgot about that. That was sad. So she's like, oh, the other one's heavy. You need to use a trolley. Ha. So she says that her mom wasn't on board with this, but they're two adults and they know what's best for them. And whether it's his house or a condo that she pretended to buy and then pretended that he bought, but apparently nobody bought and isn't even really a thing. I mean, what the hell? So, you know, people around them have to respect that you are a liar. Okay? You're lying constantly on tv. Now go yell at Stacy about being a liar more, please. You guys are such hypocrites on this show. I can't. So Greg's like, well, let's talk about the plans. I know you've been an independent lady for a while. When you bought her condo. What are you guys talking about?

[Tiffany]

And she's like, well, what's your plan? And he's like, well, my plan is just to smile every day and be quiet, America. Like, a little ding appears on his teeth. So Kieran says, I decided to move back in because Greg and I made a newfound commitment to each other. And for me, it's like the ring symbolizes the next step. And I just feel like you have to, like, love and understanding and be rooted in that. And, like, the ring is like the cherry on top. It's like, none of this makes sense. You were just, like, so much better than. Than Greg. Look, Kieran kind of sucks on this show. Let's be honest. We all agree Keanu kind of sucks, but even her sucking is still much better than Greg. You know, at this point, I don't.

[Brandy]

Even know, because at this point, like, have some self respect. I mean, your storyline was, I'm gonna move out because Greg won't give me a ring. I can't believe I moved in with him without getting a ring. So now I'm gonna move out. I'm gonna do this by myself. I'm gonna buy this place by myself. Oh, whoops. No. Greg bought it. Okay? And now I still don't get what I. What I need in this relationship. So now I'm just gonna give him what he wants to move back into his house so he doesn't have to pay for like, what are you doing over there? We're trying to root for you, ma'. Am.

[Tiffany]

Yeah, yeah. So they're making some banter, and he's like, all right, babe, I got you a nice gift. You know, it's like a little move in gift, you know, like, you know, like Mr. Biggs from the show, except you got Mr. Diggs. And she goes, oh, yeah. And he's like, you know what the D stands for, right? And she's like, no. So he's like, okay, here's the gift. So he's like, I tried to disguise it. So that's why it's in this big brown box. It's in a giant brown cardboard box, like the kind you get from Staples. I was like, wow, this master of romance over here.

[Brandy]

Yeah, Big gift in the. So he gets her a box, and inside, he's just pretending that they're moving, but it's really flowers. And it's flowers. Some roses. And he's like, because I know red roses are your favorite. Basic. You were so basic.

[Tiffany]

I know. So basic.

[Brandy]

So those two. Those are your favorite.

[Tiffany]

Really?

[Brandy]

And Then there's a box from the jeweler, and he's like, you know, she goes, oh, my God. You went to. You. You went to Radcliffe. Oh, my God, I see that. And I go crazy. And he's like, you're getting excited, huh? And she opens it, and it's a picture frame. I wish I was there. This is the jewelry store, right, that he got this from? Am I reading this wrong?

[Tiffany]

You're not.

[Brandy]

That shit's hilarious. So he went. He took the mom and the brother to the jewelry store and ended up buying her a picture frame. Can we please get footage of him doing that in front of the mother? Because I would love to see it.

[Tiffany]

Can we please get footage of the person working in the jewelry store watching him buy a picture frame at the jewelry store? That's not even something you get at a jewelry store, is it?

[Brandy]

No. After they just showed him a $2 million diamond. So she's like, wow, where's. We're to Sagittarius, baby. We're there to fire. We're fire to each other's fire. You are basic to each other's basic. I'm sick of hearing about you. You both need to leave this show. So she. Now she's going to try and change it. So she says, so you're totally fine with the still being the way it is because the condo is still K's condo, and my name completely, is a gift, but it's ours. And he goes, yeah. And she goes, so then the house, because you purchased the home, do you think that'll ever, like, change the deed? Are you going to change the deed once we get married?

[Tiffany]

And he's like, yeah, if. If you get married, it's like, they're both properties. And she goes, if. When? He goes, when? I should say. She goes, no, I'm saying, like, no, it's not. It's not if. It's when. And he's, like, not getting it. He goes, okay, so when you get married, they're both properties. And she goes, well, so we wouldn't change the deed. And he's like, no, I don't think neither one is necessary. I don't plan on being here the rest of my life. So he's saying, we're not going to bother changing the deed because this will only be a temporary residence anyway.

[Brandy]

No, you see, he has not changed. He does not want this. He's not gonna. This is whatever. I mean, how much can you harp on the same thing? But I think he's saying, like, okay, I got one in your name. And I have one in my name. Like, what do you want from me? She's like, but mine is gonna still be in my name. But yours is gonna be in both of our names, right? So he's trying to say fuck no, but he's doing it in the most uncomfortable way possible. So then she's like, well, you said we were moving five years. And he said, five to six. And he goes, you're gonna hold me to that? She's like, yeah. And he just swigs his drink, like, oh, God.

[Tiffany]

So now we go to have lunch with Tia and her half sister Amira at Flores Cafe. So this is like a very. I don't know why. It's like. It feels like very much like a D.C. restaurant. Like, I feel like the restaurants on this show have a certain look to them that just sort of is so amusing to me. I can't describe it, but it's like every time they go into a place that all the restaurants kind of look the same here. So they are there. And she's like, how's your dead leg? Are you exhausted? And Amina was like, I am, but I'm wearing off a bit. It's not too bad. Oh, do you feel like my kids remembered you from last year? I was like, look, there's my half sister. It's like, yes, I think they did, because your son kept on trying to kiss me and said, you don't look like the mirror. And I didn't understand what he meant by that.

[Brandy]

Just, you know, it was so nice. There were so many hugs and warmth.

[Tiffany]

Yes. I'm so sorry about that.

[Brandy]

She was like that. And it was disgusting.

[Tiffany]

Yes.

[Brandy]

Well, I remember when I was first explaining to them that you're coming, and then they said, huh? So, yeah, yeah. She goes, so how did you explain that? And she says, well, I just explained that my dad had two other kids, but they haven't really figured out the timeline, so they just think he got hit, think he got remarried or something. And she's like, well. And Amir goes, yeah, I guess family's family, irrespective of, you know, the order and stuff. Seems Amira seemed very uncomfortable. She's like, why are you dragging me onto tv?

[Tiffany]

Yeah. And Tia's like, I remember my mom calling us into the room saying, your brother and sister are coming around. And I was like, huh? And Amir's like, brother and sister? She's. Yes. Apparently I had seen her when she's born, but then I came home and told my mom, and I saw a Baby today. And you know, my mom's a lady, so I mean, she's better than me. I would have burnt the whole house down. So they order some food and Tia's. They're just joking about, like, oh, she's like, happy, the big sister with the alcohol. I'll have alcohol in my drink. So they're talking about growing up and everything and talk about how, you know, Tia's regretting that the relationship took so long to start. She wished that their relationship would have started a lot sooner. But, you know, I. But like, again, when their dad died, that was the first time they, like both halves of the kids started to communicate a little bit more. And they just realize. And they realized that they came together because of that. And that was like the first time that Tia ever called Mira was during the funeral preparations.

[Brandy]

And I thought it was nice. She called her and she said, I just want you to know that you're loved. Which, that's so sweet. Even though she didn't really mean it at that moment, but. But it was still nice. So they both start crying and Tia's like, well, when my father was alive, he really, really wanted us to be close. Yeah, you went and had kids on your mom. Wasn't he still married to the mom when he had the kids? Yes, the dads are getting a lot of forgiveness today on this show. We're forgiving the dads a lot of on this show today, but I'll suck it up for the sake of this show. But yeah, it's not the kid's fault, you know, which I'm glad she finally realized, like, Amira.

[Tiffany]

Yeah, they're It.

[Brandy]

Yeah.

[Tiffany]

I think what she realized is that like, yes, her, her dad may have cheated and everything, but he loved his children and he just wanted all his children to be together. Which is, you know, like. Yeah, that's. It's an interesting. It's a. It's a multi faceted situation that is happening between them. So that was the scene. Commercials. Here comes one.

[Brandy]

Right?

[Tiffany]

So now we go back to Wendy Netties for the main event because this was. This was amazing scene right here. So Wendy and Eddie's and the kids are of course all like the, the kid, like the sons.

[Brandy]

They're.

[Tiffany]

I think they're all wearing their bring out Eddie's shirts, which is just so embarrassing. It's so, so cringe.

[Brandy]

It's cringy. Like, stop.

[Tiffany]

This wasn't a thing. It wasn't a thing.

[Brandy]

Bravo.

[Tiffany]

Like, put it in the trailer for, for. For the reunion. But it was Not a thing in pop culture. Stop trying to make it a thing. You're trying to make fetch happen and you're. Then you're trying to sell fetch. It's not.

[Brandy]

It's embarrassing. So, yeah, so they're. They're all wearing these. And she's like, okay, when. When my family comes over, we're gonna say welcome to our home. And Cameron's like, jazz hands. So they come over and they say, welcome. Well, only Wendy does. She's like, welcome. So they're showing off the renovations, and she says, my mom has a lot of opinions and, you know, I'm sure there's certain things I've done in the house that she wouldn't have done, but I hope she's proud of me. I hope she's proud.

[Tiffany]

So Susan liked it. She's like, this is beautiful. It's beautiful. And Iris is like walking around just sort of getting stink eye to everything. And they're going from one place to another. They like it. So they are walking around, they're looking at everything. Wendy's showing off her little spice drawer and everything. And Susan's like, like, you really cook? And she's like, I do. I do. I don't know why you think I don't. Sometimes it's like, well, no, I cook all the time. I had to. I had to peel okra with that woman from the other TV show you made me go on.

[Brandy]

She goes, oh, my God, I've never seen black toilet paper before. And she comes out holding black toilet paper, which is hilarious. She's like, wendy says, there's a different vibe with black toilet paper. Paper touches your ass.

[Tiffany]

I don't know if I approve of black toilet paper. I think there's certain. I think there's like, it's more just like, I think there's like, functional reasons of why it's white.

[Brandy]

Yeah. I don't know. And just also, we're used. I mean, this is gross to say, but you're used to what white toilet paper does, and it kind of gives you the temperature of what's going on, you know? Exactly. Anything wrong? You know, it's like a litmus test, if you will. Black toilet paper.

[Tiffany]

No, you need to see contrast a little bit more to see, like, is it time? Have you. Have you reached the finish line or is it time to like, maybe go. Go at it a second time?

[Brandy]

Okay.

[Tiffany]

You need to see.

[Brandy]

You.

[Tiffany]

You need to see. You need to see all. You need to have, like, the full picture. And I'm afraid that black toilet paper Won't do that for me. So I appreciate the aesthetic appearance of it.

[Brandy]

I'm never even gonna say. I think I've only seen it for, like, novelty things, like for your birthday party, you know? I don't think I've seen it. Yeah, Gross.

[Tiffany]

I've never. So, you know, So I just did. I'm sorry. I just did a search. I was like, black toilet paper. And the first thing that came up was some thing called Renova. It's a black toilet paper, and it says, renova, the sexiest paper on earth. Sexy toilet paper.

[Brandy]

Wiping my butt.

[Tiffany]

Just so sexy.

[Brandy]

Do not go in there. But when you do, check out that sexy toilet paper.

[Tiffany]

Yeah. I don't know if I feel it, but I appreciate what it's trying to do.

[Brandy]

So now Susan's like, well, remember when you wanted to go buy a new house and I told you, don't buy a new house? And she's like, okay, well, thank you for advising me, mother. Okay, so last time you guys were here, we talked about that. Okay, Wendy. Immediately I said, no, no, no, no. You do. You know that they don't want to talk about this. Why are you talking about this again with your mother? What do. What are you expecting from her after.

[Tiffany]

The last time you work out?

[Brandy]

Well, you just did this to her on camera, and she didn't like it, and she faked her way through that scene. She's not going to fake it again, ma'. Am.

[Tiffany]

She tried. She tried for. She tried to. You can see she was biting her tongue. She's like, oh, God, this is going to be a long duck. Let me have a seat. So she sits down, and when he goes, no, it's not going to be long. I just want to let you know, I called and I called dad, and I'm really happy I did. And he was very warm and very apologetic and very optimistic about the future. So it's a great conversation. I'm really happy I called him. And Ivy's like, I don't know. As long as you feel good about it, I just don't want you to get your hopes up. She's. No, no, my hopes aren't up because. Because he's notorious for being a disappointment. So don't put him on a pedestal that he's not. That he's gonna be that dad, because he's just not. And, yes, he gave birth to you, but he's, like, not gonna be that fatherly. You know what I mean? And then when he said, when Ivy. That's the trigger. When Ivy Says he gave birth to you. Susie goes, he gave birth to her. I gave birth to her. I was the one in labor, in pain. Right? Okay. He was just a freaking sperm donor.

[Brandy]

Oh, gosh. And she's.

[Tiffany]

And she's right, by the way. She's right. 100% right. You know, like, he gave birth, Ivy, you should know better.

[Brandy]

Yeah, I mean, I was pretty much team Susan until she just went too far off the rails. But I was like, I mean, she's not wrong. And why are you bringing this up? Like, you literally did not have to tell them this. If you're going to do something that you know is going to hurt your mom's feelings, of course it's her right to call her dad. I'm not saying she shouldn't call her dad or that she should, you know, hate him because Susan wants her to, but, you know, this is going to do nothing but piss off your mom, who had to raise you when he abandoned you. At least if the stories that you guys are telling us or what happened. So why are you even telling them? Why not just call him for your own peace and forge a relationship on your own? Why. Why are you having to bring it up to them in this way? It seems like she's with them to me.

[Tiffany]

I actually think in a way, if Ivy had not said anything, like, if Susan just said, okay, that's fine, moving on, it would have been fine. But Ivy. Ivy started talking. I mean, actually, what Ivy said wasn't even that bad. But with the moment that she said, like, I. The moment that she said he gave birth to you, which I don't know why she said that, but the moment that she said that, then it was over. Because Susan can't stand this man. Susan's probably. Probably like, I worked two to three jobs to put these kids through college, to make them the successes that they are, to get them to have advanced degrees, to get them on television, I did this. I mean, she basically said, these are my. These are my children. Like, the grandkids, right? Like, she's. She's like, I made all the sacrifices. And, like, I think what she's afraid of is that this guy just does nothing. And he comes in and he smiles. He says some nice, empty words on camera. And now he gets, like, credit, and he gets all the love that, like, without doing any of the effort that I did, you know, And I had to go through all that hardship and. Yeah.

[Brandy]

And I'm in here acting like, oh, I'm just a good dad. It's like, I'M the fun dad. Yeah, but now he gets. He's gonna get all the love and possibly some of my allowance money. And that is not.

[Tiffany]

And so she's not gonna give him a shred of credit, even if it's an Even metaphorically, by saying he gave birth to you, she is not gonna let him have.

[Brandy]

Well, because, I mean, it's also just a bad turn of phrase probably, but yeah. So she's like, well, mom, you will marry. So I don't think it's fair that you. You say he's a sperm donor. And Susan's like, well, he didn't take care of me or you and even turn back to see how anybody's doing. That's why I gave him the title of sperm donor. And her mom's doing this thing where she's standing up and just, like, going all. You know, she's going off. And so Wendy's like, okay, give me a second. Quiz, Cameron. Upstairs. Upstairs. Not in front of the children, Mom. Not in front of the children. And she points at her, and she's like, don't do that to me. Do not do that thing where you pointed me. So she's pointing back at her. And when he's like, but you. Then you don't do that. Because you could talk to me, but I'm gonna protect my kids.

[Tiffany]

Clues.

[Brandy]

Take your sister upstairs for me. Close your eyes in the closet, Rock each other back and forth and say, bring him out. Bring him out until we call you back downstairs.

[Tiffany]

These kids would not do very well in a horror movie because they're taking a very long time to get upstairs. I'm like, get upstairs soon. Like, she's about to blow. Guys, get out of there. Clear.

[Brandy]

The kids are like, you kidding? I don't want to be gone. I want to see this. This is amazing. Grandma's about to lose her.

[Tiffany]

So Susan's like, yeah. Like, you've not done worse things. Where did you put my bag? Because I want to go. And Wendy's like, okay, come on. Can you get your brother upstairs? Can you get your brothers? I was, like, going.

[Brandy]

My.

[Tiffany]

I was, like, going crazy. I was like, kids, get. Get upstairs also. Eddie, where are you? Get the kids upstairs. Come on, Eddie.

[Brandy]

So he's not getting away in the way of that mother. That's what Eddie's.

[Tiffany]

He goes into his office.

[Brandy]

Yeah. He's like, bye.

[Tiffany]

He's like, playing minesweeper. Yeah.

[Brandy]

He's like, I'm gonna be coming up with some happy, edgy Eddie fidget spinners. Okay? I'LL be in the office.

[Tiffany]

I am not in your friend group. Don't do this to me. That's disrespectful, okay? Don't do this. I gave birth to you. You can do that to your child, but not to me. I'm already pissed off, so don't piss me more off. I came here to see your renovation and not to hear some upd. The person that abandoned me and the children. And I had to work four jobs, okay? So come on. You know how much money I paid to put you through school? I mean, she's having like, she's great monologue. She's. She is just. Just laying into Wendy right now. I was like. Even I was like.

[Brandy]

This is where she starts losing me because she's just too much. Like, she's just too much. And I was like, oh, my.

[Tiffany]

Loud.

[Brandy]

I can imagine. You know, she's screaming and yelling and Wendy's upstairs. It's too much, you know? You know, I have a pretty mother, so a lot of this was just like, oh, God, mom, please, not here, not in the restaurant.

[Tiffany]

I just, you know, I just was more concerned about the kids. Cuz even though the kids are upstairs, they can hear the screaming, you know.

[Brandy]

Concerned for the kids. They're fine.

[Tiffany]

I was kids.

[Brandy]

I'm just saying, what are you gonna.

[Tiffany]

Do about kids today? Just you wait and see, you know.

[Brandy]

I mean, grandma's crazy. They probably love it.

[Tiffany]

I guess they're probably used to it. So Wendy's like, well, the feeling is still very deep for my mom that to have carried that weight for 40 something years by herself. And I'm sure she has a lot of resentment towards my dad. Oh, you're sure? What gives you that idea?

[Brandy]

And so Ivy's like, okay, well, fine, the kids don't need to hear what's going on, but your presentation was off, Wendy. Okay, Putting your hand in mom's face. And now all of a sudden, we're protecting the image of the grandfather. And Susan's like, oh, the grandfather who has not seen. And she stands up and it's like, I've not seen. Seen the grandchildren. Excuse me. Do not interrupt me. They flew across the world to see him and they. He never showed up. And Wendy's like, okay, well, now you're doing too much because you want to have your moment. And that to me, I'm not doing well, Wendy, you are doing this on TV because you want to have your moment of, like, pity with your dad and all of that in the storyline. And you want to poke Your mom at it on TV with it. You want to poke your mom with it on TV to have your moment, and now you're getting your moment with their mom. I mean, you asked for this. So.

[Tiffany]

So Susan's like, I am not doing too much. She's like. And you know what? She either you know what she's doing. Oh, get lost. Don't insult me. I'm your mom. I love her saying get lost when she's like, in Wendy's house.

[Brandy]

I mean, the gall of this mother. So Wendy's like, who insulted you? She goes, you don't have to call me an idiot to be an insult. And she goes, who called you an idiot? It's like, I'm here to talk to you, and you walk, okay, so now I've insulted her by walking here. This is disrespectful. And you don't know about African culture. Are you coming here to defend your wife? Because now Eddie's coming up, and he's like, no, no, no, no. To go stand with her. Then he's like, it's just the voices are a little elevated. And she goes. And then Ivy and Susan both start chanting, bring Eddie out. Bring Eddie out. Bring it. I was, like, mocking them with their own stupid T shirts.

[Tiffany]

He's like, the voices are getting elevated. And what was so funny is not funny, but was so interesting because now Susan's, like, sort of holding Eddie's hands, and she's quieting down, and she's like, oh, I'm. He's like, I'm just saying, calm down the water. Because I'm saying. And all I'm saying is this. Don't tell me what I said. And she starts saying how he's like the man of the house at one point, and it's, like, sort of interesting how, like, Susan is this very strong woman, very strong, very opinionated woman who does not suffer any fools. But it's still interesting that, like, she still defers to, like, the man of the house, right? Like, that Eddie is like, Eddie comes out of the man of the house. And she starts to calm down a bit. I just think that's so fascinating. Oh, no, no.

[Brandy]

She was. I don't think it was. I mean, I just read it differently. But I think what was happening was she was saying, okay, Eddie, listen. You know, she's messing with me. And as the man of the house, you need to take care of your woman. Because she's, like, losing her mind. Because she tells him, okay, you're the man of this house, and your Wife is out of control. And she's like, well, I'm out of control. So I think she's just trying to pull Eddie to her side for the fight and be like, as the man of the house, you need to step in and take care of her. Because she has lost her mind talking to her mother like this.

[Tiffany]

Well, either way, it was so fascinating to me how that like, she suddenly like, quieted down for Eddie. And Wendy's. So Wendy's like, are you kidding? Am I in the twilight zone? He's like, okay, I just want everyone to calm down. The conversation is just getting very exacerbated and I think we all need to take a beat. Well, all this started because she was talking about how she was talking in front of the kids. And I was. I'm just so upset. Like, you guys, all you guys always do this. You guys always start yelling in front of the kids. Susan goes, shut up, shut up, Shut the up, Wendy.

[Brandy]

But I just like to point out, no, it didn't start this. It didn't all happen because of how she was talking in front of the kids. This all happened because you brought up your dads pity story again to try and get pity off two people who hate this man. What are you thinking? What are you doing? I mean, and it's interesting because I'm thinking of it differently today, talking about it than I was watching it. Because when I was watching it, I was like, oh, hell no. They need to just kick that mother out of the house. Like, you need to just be like, this is my home. You can't talk to me like this. Get the hell out of here. Because she's out of control. I mean, that's. Her mother's acting ridiculous. And you know that they have to deal with this all the time and you have to have a boundary. And all of this. You know, that's what I was thinking watching it. But now reading it back, I'm like, but wait a minute. Like, reading how this is all happening sequentially. Wendy's with them, right? Because this is just crazy. They're not trying to laugh on you.

[Tiffany]

I think Wendy's trying to have a storyline where she's showing growth by meeting someone where they're at, which is her. Her dad, and she wants them to co sign it. And the mom is like, like been biting her tongue probably all season. And just the moment that Ivy said that one comment, it just. All the mom just was like, no, I cannot. I can't do this anymore. I can't. I know you're Trying to have some sort of personal growth storyline. I don't think that Wendy was there trying to, like, make them, like, make her mom. Like, I don't think she's trying to make a moment out of her mom. I think Wendy was just trying to do a story arc for the producers, and the mom was. Was sort of like. And then she just. And then she saw red. There's just too much. There's too. Too many years of, like, drama and. And frustration with this man that she just can't keep it in. But I also think, like, Susan, you got to keep it together. There's kids in the house, and you're literally screaming, shut up at your daughter. Like, that's not like, you got to get out.

[Brandy]

Well, I think that's all the time. I think one of the tweets that I saw the most last night after the show was justice for Neca, because that whole storyline of your mom calling to threaten me and your mom calling it, you know, all these threats, and when he's like, oh, don't talk about my mother. But we believed it back then. I mean, I 100% believe that back then. I remember online. Yeah, no, I'm not. I don't mean, like, whether or not I like neck. I'm just saying I believe that the mom did call and threatened her. I believe that 100% at the time. And so it's just funny that Wendy's was being so protective and always. She's always protective of her mom. Like, my mom would, you know, don't talk about my mom. Don't disrespect my mom. But then she's kind of, like, taunting her mom to do this to me, because her mom. This is not the woman's first time acting like this. And even Wendy says 100. Oh, you know, this is just another day of these two ganging up on me and my mom losing it at me. So I feel like she knew what she was doing. And I'm not saying it's like a Bronwyn thing where she's trying to. Where I feel like she's trying to get pity from the audience. I don't think it's anything like that, but I don't know. It's just like, what do you think is gonna happen? What do you think is gonna happen? Oh, my God.

[Tiffany]

Yeah. So Susan is losing her mind, and she's like, let me tell you why I'm so hot. You don't even give a right now about this girl. And when he's like, okay, okay. I'm upset. I'm upset. And Eddie's like, okay, don't be upset. Oh, because I'm sorry. Because at that point, Susan has been. Has. I think at this point, Susan has left the building. Susan and Ivy leave. It's so funny, because Ivy just like. Ivy's.

[Brandy]

No, no, they're not gone yet. They're still standing.

[Tiffany]

Left yet?

[Brandy]

Oh, yeah, no, no, they're still standing. They said they were gonna leave, but they're still standing there. And Wendy's just crying to Eddie. And Susan's like, what are you doing? Look at this girl. Why are you doing this? And she's like, I want. And she tells Eddie I want them to get the fuck out of my house. And I. Because, oh, really? You said you want us to get the fuck out of your house? And Eddie's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, she didn't do that. I gotta go draw some Fitches spinners. And Susan's like, is that what she said? Then he's a. Guys, let's just. And Ivy saying, okay, it's good. You know what? Do you have my key? Okay, y' all be blessed. Take this mic off me, please. I'm done. And then Susan goes off again. She's like, oh, yes. Well, last time you told us about your dad, we comforted you. And that doesn't mean we supported his stupid ass. Look how I am working how many jobs to help you with your kids. Quit my job to take after your kids, and you're here, but I'm not upset when he called me kiss ass for. Kiss his ass for all I care. Idiot. Look at this girl. Look at her. And then she's just, like, talking to herself. Is she putting on lipstick? She's like.

[Tiffany]

She's like, you like putting on lipstick, leaving the house? And Eddie's like, are you okay? She's like, I'm used to it because. And Eddie's like, you said you're used to it because, you know, this is. This is always. It's always this. Like, if I'm not on their train to hate them, it's a problem. Like, look, they even leave together. Look, they're together. And that's exactly why I wanted or yearned to be have a relationship with my dad. Because when it's the three of y', all, the two people always with each other, you're by yourself and you're like, damn, I'm always by myself. So that's also interesting. She's basically like, ivy and my mom always team up against Me. And so now I'm gonna get. I'm gonna have a relationship with my dad as I can you. So I need to have another ally, I guess.

[Brandy]

Yeah.

[Tiffany]

And I'm gonna rub it in my mom's face.

[Brandy]

Yikes. But Susan, out of control, man. But I loved it. And I was like, yes, you know, I love it.

[Tiffany]

I mean, I love those scenes when it's like, I didn't feel like she was like, like yelling to have a reality show moment. She was yelling because she had, like, years of pent up anger around this situation that come tumbling out. And I find that to be, like, very fascinating. I mean, it's. It's. It's uncomfortable because she's really. She's. She's shouting. I was uncomfortable because the kids were upstairs and they could hear it, and I did not feel like that was like, that concerns me, honestly, because the kids can hear these things. It's like, it's hard.

[Brandy]

It's hard even if they're used to it.

[Tiffany]

But, like, I don't. I don't think that's great.

[Brandy]

I just. You shouldn't be yelling at someone like that in. In their own home. That's crazy. And you shouldn't be yelling at someone like that at all. But just to see the dynamic and just knowing, just knowing for years, or suspecting at least for years, that that's how Susan is. And then seeing it, finally seeing her finally just unleash was fun. It was fun. It was fun as an audience member because it's been so long that it's like, is she. Are these stories true? And then to see her do it, it's like, oh, yeah, there she is. There she is. But again, you know, I just have to. It's like, Wendy. Wendy had to know this was gonna happen. Like. And also, I kind of don't blame Susan. I mean, I blame her for how she acted. But you've got this man who abandons your children, does nothing, then hurts their grandchildren's feelings after they go all the way over. Now you're gonna try and make it, like, why can't you guys just be nice to dad? Like, off. Like you can do that on your own time. You know, go be nice with your dad and have your own relationship. But to try and pull them into it and, like, try and get their support is looney Tunes to me. That's. That's nuts. You ain't getting it.

[Tiffany]

Yeah, it was a wild episode.

[Brandy]

Yeah.

[Tiffany]

Well, everyone, thanks so much for being here and for listening. And we will catch you on. We're gonna go record some marriage medicine now, so we'll catch you on that one. Talk to y' all later.

[Brandy]

Bye.

[Tiffany]

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