#3143 Married To Medicine S12E05: OctoPurse-y

Summary

Watch What Crappens #3143: Married to Medicine S12E05: OctoPurse-y
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: January 5, 2026

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Overview

In this lively episode, Ben and Ronnie recap and dissect Season 12, Episode 5 of Bravo’s Married to Medicine (“Baggage Claim”). The focus is on fallout from Toya’s explosive party, marital dynamics (especially Simone and Cecil’s struggles), newly forged friendships, and the group’s endless drama over handbags—both real and fake. Ben and Ronnie’s signature mix of sharp observations, biting humor, and genuine affection for the cast generates a thoroughly entertaining breakdown.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Toya and Eugene’s Marital Drama (02:39–13:24)

• Aftermath of the Party: Toya tried to humiliate Eugene with a body-shaming party game; when he refused, she berated him in front of friends.
  • “It’s typical Toya. She never gets it. Toya never learns. Toya never changes. Toya gets worse.” – Ronnie (03:41)
• Family Meeting in the Basement: Eugene, attempting reconciliation, apologizes for misreading the party’s significance. Toya, in turn, offers a halfhearted, self-serving apology.
  • “Thank you for your apology.” – Toya, breezily shifting responsibility (11:50)
• Mockery of Communication Styles: The guys note Toya and Eugene's unconventional relationship dynamic and Toya’s penchant for never being satisfied or learning from mistakes.
  • Hilarious comparisons to car dealerships when describing the awkwardness of Eugene’s family summits.

2. Brandy, Angel, and Mimi’s Mom Club (13:30–20:41)

• Single Parenting and Clichés: Angel, a single mom, is prodded about her dating life.
  • “Being a single mother doesn’t come with a manual.” – Angel (16:59)
• Name Games: The group jokes about Angel naming her children Heaven and Savior, making snarky “pyramid” and religious puns (16:06–18:11).
• Friendship Dynamics: The women discuss being targeted by the OGs and how newcomers are often confronted, possibly as a twisted “welcome.”

3. Simone & Cecil: Kids, Money & Marital Friction (22:01–38:29, 44:45–46:03)

• Simone’s Strain: Simone vents to her sister Carmen about feeling unsupported and carrying the emotional and financial weight of parenting.
• Cecil and His Brother: Cecil justifies wanting to provide generational wealth and not making his children struggle—but his lack of discipline is called out.
  • “When your wife is upset, the first thing you do is create a united front.” – David, Cecil’s brother, plainly illuminating the core issue (26:45)
• Simone’s Exhaustion: She feels unappreciated and is left to seem like the “villain” despite working hard to provide.

4. Quad and King—IVF Struggles (39:23–44:42)

• Tension Over IVF Journeys: Quad and King prepare for another trip to Ghana for egg retrievals, revealing cracks in their optimism.
  • “You told me you don’t mind ... all we gotta do is make more money. What’s happening?” – Quad, calling out King’s shifting attitude (40:49)
• Support or Sarcasm?: The hosts notice subtle red flags in King’s “support” as cracks emerge in their relationship, especially on camera.

5. Bag-Gate: The Fake Purse Saga and Bag-Making Event (45:00–64:06)

• Handbag Wars: The group’s obsession with real versus fake designer bags unites and divides them. Toya is relentless in her campaign to expose Heavenly’s “fake” purse.
  • “If we can’t be shady about a bag, what are we doing?” – Ronnie, encapsulating Bravo priorities (45:00)
• Heavenly’s Calm, Toya’s Shade: Toya brings Heavenly’s bag as a prop for their craft event, aiming to publicly shame her.
  • “We always think it’s fake. Yeah, but we always think yours are fake too.” – Ronnie, pointing out hypocrisy (46:50)
• Contessa’s Fashion Marshmallow: Contessa arrives overdressed, prompting jokes about her consistent lack of event-appropriate attire (51:03).
• Scott’s Side Hustle: A revelation—Scott funded med school by selling knock-off Coach bags (55:27).
• Group Chat Fallout: The ladies rehash text message threads and accusations; Heavenly insists her Father’s Day text wasn’t shady, Toya reads it as pointed commentary on her marriage (47:15–61:31).

6. Men’s Cigar Chat: Atypical Accountability (52:02–58:02)

• The men discuss their wives’ drama, with Eugene attempting to blame other wives for Toya’s stress. The men gently push back, noting Toya’s own role.
• Reiterated: “Men, right? Men are pretty sane. Women, crazy.” The hosts underline this tongue-in-cheek Bravo (and cast) worldview.

7. Jackie’s Monologue: Group Therapy via Proverb (62:13–64:06)

• Jackie delivers a solemn “group monologue,” calling for less pettiness and more support:
  • “If you throw a rock at somebody and you get a boulder back in your face, you’ll still go to jail for being the one that threw the rock.” – Jackie, on escalation (62:13)
• She mourns the decline in group cohesion: “I just think it’s sad we’re at a place where we can’t even make bags that look like unfilled raviolis without yelling at each other.” (63:27)

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Toya:
  • “Toya never learns. Toya never changes. Toya gets worse.” – Ronnie (03:41)
  • “Thank you for your apology.” – Toya (11:50)
• On Marital Support:
  • “When your wife is upset, the first thing you do is create a united front.” – David to Cecil (26:45)
• On Bag Drama:
  • “If we can’t be shady about a bag, what are we doing?” – Ronnie (45:00)
• On Support Versus Enablement:
  • “There’s a difference between trying to support your kids versus enabling spoiled brats.” – Ben (31:39)
• On Group Dysfunction:
  • “Don’t get mad at the mountain after you threw a rock at it.” – Jackie, as summarized by Ben (62:21)
• On Realism in Friendships:
  • “You started it with the first comment.” – Jackie to Toya, keeping it real (61:49)
• On Contessa’s Outfits:
  • “No matter where Contessa goes, she will dress inappropriately.” – Ronnie (51:13)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Toya & Eugene’s Recap & Reunion: 02:39–13:24
• Brandy, Angel & Mimi Friend Scene: 13:30–20:41
• Simone & Cecil Family Drama (pt. 1): 22:01–38:29
• Quad & King IVF Tension: 39:23–44:42
• Bag-Making Party (Bag-Gate): 45:00–64:06
• Men’s Cigar Lounge Chat: 52:02–58:02
• Jackie’s Group Monologue: 62:13–64:06

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Tone and Language

Ben and Ronnie’s tone remains irreverent, heavily sarcastic, and affectionate. They alternate between theatrical mockery, faux outrage, and moments of genuine insight about marriage, friendship, and family, always punctuated by playful banter and Bravo in-jokes.

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Summary Statement

Episode #3143 of Watch What Crappens delivers a hilarious yet incisive look at the ongoing chaos of Married to Medicine: marital miscommunications, materialistic squabbles (with purses as the new battleground), the trials of parenting (and being an adult child), and the strange Bravo alchemy that turns petty drama into compelling, communal viewing. Through their skillful recaps, Ben and Ronnie ensure that every bizarre scene, sly insult, and emotional reckoning is savored, roasted, and ultimately, celebrated.

Transcript

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[A]

Hi, Ronnie. How's it going everybody?

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[A]

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[A]

Doing just great. Happy to be back. Happy to be on the microphone and talking some marriage medicine. How about you?

[B]

Married to medicine. Me too. Love this show. I don't want a life without Heavenly. You know, when this season was starting back up and they said Heavenly was only going to be a friend of, I was not happy. I'm still not happy, to be honest. But God, she makes me so happy when she's on my screen just dragging Toya. He was quite deserving of dragging, by the way. A lot of times it's Heavenly's fault this time? No, it's Toya's fault. And I love every Heavenly second I get. I want to move so I can vote for Heavenly.

[A]

Yeah, Heavenly is hilarious. And where we left off, they, you know, Toya and Eugene had just had this party where Toya had a meltdown, and she sort of went at Eugene and sort of all sorts of things, said all sorts of insulting things like, be a leader, leave the man. Because she just wanted them to play a party, a party game where she was going to humiliate Eugene of, like, who has, like, who can get into the best shape for going to the Caribbean. So now it's the aftermath.

[B]

Yeah, she wanted to have a game where she could humiliate Eugene with, like, a sports thing and hula hoops. And then he didn't want to play it, so she humiliated him by screaming at him in front of all their friends and cursing him out. So it's typical Hoya. It's typical Toya to do this. She's done it season after season, as we see in a clip later today. And she's an asshole. And I love that she never gets it, because that's something else that's really good about Toya. Toya never learns. Toya never changes. Toya gets worse. I think with every year. She doesn't get better, but it gets more fun to watch. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, she is. My favorite thing is the opening credits. More in the interstitials where you just see Toya standing with the group, like, hunched over, like, how she's like, dent in my car door. That's. That's the look in her face. She's like, who was wrong with crayons.

[B]

On the dining room table?

[A]

Avery, did you leave this milk out here? Like, she's just ready to scold us. She's trying to be sexy and like, and be like, ooh, me. And there's, like, one shot where, like, when I, you know, when they're, like, doing. Going to a Toya scene, they have, like, a close up on her face, like Toya, and she just is, like, trying to serve a look, and it's just not working. And it actually really reminds me of season two of Top Chef or season three of Top Chef. This was, like, the origin of our Gail and Padma joke, because in the promos for that season of Top Chef, they would show Gail Simmons, and they had, like, a lives, like a wind machine in her hair, and she was, like, trying to, like, look at the camera, like, I'm Gail Simmons, Top Chef is coming back. But then Padma will come and be like, hi, I'm Padma Lakshmi. I'm a supermodel looking for a girl. She's trying to serve sort of c u n. You know what the rest of that is? And she just can't do it. Too bad. And that's like, what's Toya is serving Gail Simmons? Yeah.

[B]

And it's hilarious.

[A]

It's.

[B]

It's menacing. I will say, it's.

[A]

It's a.

[B]

It's a bizarre choice that they went with on this opening. So Eugene has set up pool down in the basement. He's also, like, waiting at this sad little table, and he calls her down, and she's like, why are you sitting at this table? And he's just at the sad table, like, family meeting.

[A]

Looks like he looks like he's at the part where. Where he's already test driven his.

[B]

The.

[A]

The Honda. And now he's ready to sign some paperwork as they've put him at a table, and they're gonna make him wait a little bit before someone comes and helps him. Like, he's ready. He's ready to decide what he's gonna add on to his model. His, like, his crv.

[B]

I actually just went through that experience getting my niece a car. My niece needed a car, so we were getting her a car. And, man, they are so nice to you when you're on that lot. And the second they sit you down at that table, they just start. They bend you over, and they just start po you. Yeah, every single. Oh, by the way, the interest rates are 10. Get the out of here. I just spent six hours here, sir. You waited until six hours later to tell me this?

[A]

And they have that tech. They do. I sort of got it. I think it's purely just some sort of negotiating lever that they pull. I don't think they ever have to do this. They'll be like, oh, so wait, you said you want air conditioning in your car. Hold on one second. And they leave with a little circular table for 25 minutes. And then they come back like, yeah, looks like we can add air conditioning to your car. I'm like, we. I know you can have air conditioning. You just let me sit here at the table for a long time. It's like some sort of tactic. Feel like you sit at that table for hours and hours and hours.

[B]

Yeah, we were. We wanted the car for, like, 4, 000 lesson. Well, you know, whatever we did, the. The numbers and all that, we're like, we can get this car for 4,000 less somewhere else. And so they were like, okay, okay, we can do that. Are you sure you can do it? Yeah, we can do it. So we sit down at the table, and of course the little guy comes up. It's the same price. And I said, this is not the price. And he said, oh, well, you see, normally what we do is when we sell you a Toyota of Round Rock, by the way, is who I'm talking about, you dumb asses. When we actually sell you the car, we charge you $4,000 above this for all this stuff, like a coating on your car and a tinting on your car. This other $4,000 package, which we didn't order anyway, said, we charge you this on top of the car, but we won't put that stuff on, so we'll leave that off. I was like, okay, so you're gonna give us a bunch of stuff that we didn't ask for, but you're still not gonna give it to us, but you're not gonna charge us for the stuff we didn't ask for and keep the car the same price. Goodbye. Goodbye. And they're like, well, is there anything we can do? And I was like, yeah, you could tell me what you told me six hours ago instead of making me sit here like an idiot. I would rather drive across town than ever do this with you again. And they're still texting me, like, oh, you coming back? No, I'm not coming back, you jackasses. You. You're tinting. Get the fuck out.

[A]

Crazy. That's.

[B]

So, yeah. The point is, Eugene is having a family meeting with Toya at the pool in the pool room. So they're gonna play pool. And he's like, I was making margaritas to make up for yesterday. You might notice I have two margarita machines. Sure, we just need one, but who cares?

[A]

We'll make you some margaritas without actually any, like, margarita glasses? Well, actually, no, he's got tumblers. That's okay. But I. So. So she.

[B]

That you're ready to. You're ready to bring them down for their glass choice?

[A]

Well, because they have a whole little scene with their glasses. They. They seem like they don't. They don't know what to do. Right? Like, they sort of. Like, they've never made margaritas before. It seems like even though they just did in the last episode outside. But they look. They have, like, a debate over what sort of glass it should go into. And it's actually hilarious because, you know, Toya's like, what about a tumbler? What about a Mason jar. We can use a mason jar. He's like, well, what about a cock? Let's do a cocktail glass.

[B]

She's like, a cocktail glass.

[A]

Like, she's never had a margarita in a cocktail glass. She's like, Toya's horrified. She thinks it's the craziest thing she's ever heard. So anyway, Eugene, you know what they.

[B]

Need on this channel is they need a hookup with decent pina colada machines or margarita machine, frozen drink machines, because they just suck on this show on this channel. We just saw it on Southern Charm. They couldn't make them on this. This one. It was all watery as well. I mean, come on. Somebody's got to step into this market.

[A]

And make it look like slime. Yeah. So Eugene's telling us that he doesn't like having conflict. He likes to resolve things quickly. And she's like, well, I actually handle things. I handle things head on. And if I see. What if I see that they're going in a certain way, he's like, yeah, like a collision. She's like, yes, exactly. Absolutely.

[B]

He's like, okay, well, I'm starting. You know, I started to think, what did I do wrong? Just though, though. Because usually then, like, it. Like, if something else happens, like, he'll put it right on top of that. And then he blows up. And he's like, I think you're projecting because Eugene did not blow up ever. We've never seen Eugene blow up, Toria, you blew up. So he's like, okay, let's get the heavy lifting out of the way where I apologize for doing nothing wrong. And then you nod and accept it. He's like, so, one, I've been doing a lot of thinking, and I want to say I'm sorry I misjudged what the party meant for you. But I do feel like you need to take a little ownership with what you said in front of people who we don't even feel safe around, because there were a lot of emasculating jokes. Okay, the emasculating joke was about your penis size. And that comes from Toya complaining about your penis size to all the ladies. So why are you blaming Heavenly? Toya did that?

[A]

Yeah. And Toya's like, well, at that party, I was like. You looked at me like I was one of them. And I'm like, when did I become just one of them? Because I said, to be a leader. Believe the man. Be. Be that person. Be. Be. Be a wonderful leader. In history, I should be able to use words like leader. He's like, yeah, you didn't really say it like that. The way you said it was hurtful. He's like, yeah. He's like, okay, here's what I. I played too much. I should have left you alone because I do know that you need to have some space. I. I shouldn't have. I shouldn't have cursed. I shouldn't have let your friends get in my head because I don't like it when they talk about me. I shouldn't have been upset when your friends that I had small dick. And then I shouldn't have been upset when you wanted to further emasculate me by making me do a hula hoop thing and then take off my shirt. I shouldn't have been upset by those things. So now what did you do? She's like.

[B]

Thank you for your apology.

[A]

I'm sorry for throwing a really good party that you ruined. Yeah, I don't really know what else from there. Yeah, I like that.

[B]

She just goes, thank you for your apology. She's okay, well, what did I. Okay, I was being pushy and what I did. Second, I shouldn't respond when people pull me into a negative scenario. No, you are the negative scenario. What are you talking about? No one did this to you. You did this. And she's basically blaming him. She's like, I forgive. I forgive myself for letting myself be negative because you made me.

[A]

Yeah. So she's like, I definitely could be better at feeding you more words of affirmation because I do it for the boys. And I take it for granted that sometimes, you know, like, you know, you're working really hard and, like, I guess it's nice that I can depend on you. She, like, sort of had. I think she went to chat GPT and was like, what should I say to Eugene right now? It's like, one thing you could do. That's a great question. One thing you could do is you could say, thank you for supporting me. I really do appreciate you. And I sometimes forget to appreciate you. Okay, great. That's what I'll do.

[B]

She's like, even though you all got a lot. He's like, okay, you can leave that part out. But I use chat ugteen, so sorry. And he's like. She's like, but, man, you know, it's nice that I could depend on you. And he goes, okay, and you appreciate pool. And she's like, yeah, but I would like it if we could play spades more. And he's like, no, because, you know, every time I play spades it turns into a fight, and she's like, honey, that's what all black people do.

[A]

So now we go to Brandy's house, and she is giving.

[B]

If it helps, I've never played a game of spades. That hasn't turned into a fight either. Maybe it's the game. I don't know. It's an evil game. Hearts also sucks, so that's also just.

[A]

Well, hearts just doesn't really go anywhere interesting, you know? So Brandy's house. Brandy, one of our new cast members. I really like Brandy a lot. I think she's giving a good Greek chorus energy. So she's giving pizza to her, to her kids and everything. And angel and Mimi come over. It's sort of like a newbie scene. So Brandy, you know, the kids are all there, and Brandy's like, you know, you. You know, you could have brought Stevie. And Mimi's like, yeah, I'm not gonna do that to you. Okay. Like, my baby, he's kind of. He's like broken TVs at people's houses, and they're like, oh, yeah. And so Mimi's just saying, like, there's lots of twists and turns when parenting a child with special needs. And Stevie were here, I would have to have one eye over there and one eye on him. And just basically like, yeah, this is. We're gonna leave them at home in this case.

[B]

Yeah. And they're talking about how long they've been married, both about 10 years. And Brandy says it's been 10 years for her. And she's like, and, you know, we miss out on all the gossip. Like, I need to know what's going on on the streets, so you guys need to tell me. And they start laughing, and she's like, I mean, I could be at least be entertained, you know, because I have single friends. And I'm like, what? That's a thing. Which is true. I'm single, and I still hear from single friends. And I'm like, what the fuck? You did what with your where?

[A]

Huh? Yeah.

[B]

What does this app do again? This app locates you in whatever bath you like. What? What?

[A]

Angels. They basically are like, all eyes on angel, the resident single girl of this group right now. And they're like, so, angel, what's it like out there? What's happening? Do you want to date someone? Do you want to date? What do you. Tell us all about them. Show us pictures. Do you want to swipe? Let's do some swiping. So Angel's like, you know, my. My life is just it's just so wrapped up into working and taking care of kids. But like, I do want a date. I would love to. I just. I. I would love to find an amazing man that could just come in and ignite my softness, which. That's kind of a funny turn of phrase. I just want someone to come in here all exciting and full of energy to make me soft. Okay, sure.

[B]

But Angels. Angel's kids are named. Okay, she's angel. And I forget what their. What? I forget their names, but it's like angel worship and church or something. It's like angel worship and Bible. Okay.

[A]

Daughter named Heaven. So angel in Heaven.

[B]

It's also a little wings. My children, Pearly, Gates and Psalms.

[A]

Are we playing pyramid with our children right now? Okay, Angel Heaven. Okay. We. I have a new. I have a son named Pearly and I also have a dog named Gates. Come on. Is it.

[B]

I have a stepchild named Satan.

[A]

He is named Aiden. Okay. Is it purgatory? Yes, that is correct. That is correct.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

What the next is my one.

[B]

This is my niece. You better pray. Okay.

[A]

Like, what's the next round? It's like there. There's another round. I mean, I. Our names are permanent. Yeah. Yeah. We're doing more than one round of pyramid. Angel. Right? You do have more children for this game, right? I don't.

[B]

So she says that being a single mother doesn't come with a manual. I like when people say that.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

It's not easy being a parent. It doesn't come with a manual. Well, neither does being a kid. Okay. Nothing comes with the manual.

[A]

Just.

[B]

I don't know, read some books. There's plenty of manuals for being a parent anyway. There are manuals actually, now that I think about it. There's like, love your kid harder or whatever they're called. Like tough love.

[A]

Or have you read some of the manuals lately that are coming in with some products? The manuals are not helpful.

[B]

Yeah, man.

[A]

It's just.

[B]

It comes with an L ranch. Your kid comes with an L wrench and something called the Florida Jerk.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. There's some arrows and then there's some broken English and you just have to just do the best that you can. Okay? We're all in the non manual land at this point.

[B]

Oh, here's our children's name. So Heaven's dad played professional basketball and Savior's dad. We were engaged. I think Savior is just a lot to live up to.

[A]

I wonder if they're religious.

[B]

Also. Savior just keeps disappearing. They're like oh, my God. When is Savior gonna return?

[A]

Well, we just want him to work at Complex magazine just for the pun of it all. That's really it.

[B]

So she is the mom and the dad, and so Brandy is all about the cliches.

[A]

She really is. She's like, being a mom doesn't come with a manual. I'm basically the mom and the dad. That's the way the cookie grumbles. I'm not gonna cry over spilled milk. I wish there was a lot in my household.

[B]

Two. Two and a hand are better than two in a bush. Am I right, Savior? So Brandy's like, what's the most important thing you're looking for? A man. His wiener? His brain. And she's like, no, none of that. I don't need an anaconda. I don't need that. So they're asking about the last person she dated, and she's like, I mean, it was weird. And they're like, you're in a safe space. You're actually with two medical providers.

[A]

That's so condescending, because she's. Angel's a registered nurse. They're like, you're with two people who have actual advanced degrees. We're. Bet you're with doctors, not nurses right now. Angel, you get to be with the. You get to sit at the. Be with the big dogs.

[B]

Yeah, I've been. I've been in. I've been in some conversations with some medical providers lately, and it seems great when you're in the office and then you get the bill where nothing is covered and everything's $90,000.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

No, I don't trust you.

[A]

Yeah, well, also, what's so funny is that, like, angel is being elusive about what she wants. And they're like, come on. You're. Come on. You're in a safe place. You can tell us. And Mimi's like, we can read between the lines. And Angel's like, yeah, everyone's. This is a safe place. This is a safe place. Tell us. And then this teeters into just gossip about the other women. I was like, wait, we didn't get to find out what angel wants in a man.

[B]

So she wants. Hey. They're like, why are you deflecting. Because she doesn't want to put all this business out on TV yet. She's not ready, I think.

[A]

And she's like, a friend of mine. Yeah.

[B]

She's like, I'm not doing that. I'm not being paid enough for this. I'm getting $5 a day to be on the show. So no.

[A]

Yeah. So they're like, yeah, this is a safe place, unlike the rest of the group. So they're like. And they're like, is anyone is like, who's safe to talk to? No one's safe to talk to. I don't know why I said to talk to talk to. So Mimi is like, yeah. At Toya and Eugene's house warming, there was some deflecting, and they called you out. And Brandy's like, yeah, I know. I was caught off guard. Why was I called out? This is the second. This is the second time in a row that Brandy's been called out out of nowhere. Because Contessa called out Brandy when Brandy was being nice to her. And now Toya called out Brandy. I feel like Brandy's so nice, and they just keep on, like, going to.

[B]

Going for her, I think just because they're new. So they're like, well, let's yell at the new people too, so that they can feel like they're included. I think it's almost being nice. Like, let's just yell at this rando. We'll give them a shot, you know? But it never really works. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial. So they're talking about this whole big thing, and they don't know why they were called out. And Mimi's saying, you know, you. You can tell when someone's trying to poke and poke. And the owner of the house said she was gonna kick out some hating ass bitches. But I'm not a hating ass bitch. And that was nighttime Mimi.

[A]

I forgot about nighttime Mimi. Nighttime Mimi. Mimi after dark. So angels, like, Angel's like, well, she felt like somebody was hating or somebody said some things that will affect her marriage. Mimi's like, well, if that's the case, that is imaginary. I mean, Siri, please play Drew. Sedora delulu Dalulu, everyone. Anyone? No.

[B]

How much did you get paid to say that? That was crazy to hear that song brought up randomly. I liked it. I was proud of Drew.

[A]

I actually thought that was funny, and I was proud of Drew. And it was nice for. For everyone to laugh and be like, who's that?

[B]

It was nice to hear everybody's Siri across the country go.

[A]

Yeah, I'm not familiar. So now we go to Simone having lunch with her sister Carmen. And Simone's like, it's always fun when we're together. We haven't had a trip together in a long time, though. And apparently they had a trip in January, which I'M gonna say is not a long time. I don't know when this was filmed, but I'm gonna say if it was within the calendar year. It's not a long time.

[B]

It's never a long time from January.

[A]

I don't know. I'm taking a stance on this. I'm like, guys, Simone says it's been a long time since they've had a trip. I think they've had a trip.

[B]

Simone is lying. Simone's a liar.

[A]

Hey, Siri, please play Delulu by Drew. Sedora talked about Delulu with her time.

[B]

Frames, so she talks about her sister Carmen being her best friend, et cetera, blah, blah. And I wish Carmen was on the show more. I like Carmen a lot.

[A]

She was awesome.

[B]

Why? Yeah, I really like. I don't know. It's weird. It's weird that we're just meeting Carmen and she's like, I tell Carmen, world is Carmen.

[A]

We're in the world.

[B]

Carmen San Diego, maybe. I tell Carmen everything. What I'm wearing, what I ate for lunch, and especially when Cecil is getting on my nerves. So they're talking about Cecil and she's crying and she's like, they're never. Cecil's never on my side, which. Which, it's a great point. And Cecil better watch his ass because this. I'm going to ask this every week. I know. I've asked this every week since the beginning of time. Does Cecil work? I don't think so.

[A]

I don't know. Cecil better get it together. Otherwise he can go from Cecil to Sausal. Okay, let's get this together. Also, one thing. See ya Soul that's better than Saw Soul. But one thing we never brought up, but someone in social media did a few weeks ago, is that when those kids made that dinner before they tried to ask for a new car and everything. What was so funny is that they had gotten takeout and they had put the takeout into, like, disposable pans and heated it up. Someone pointed out that when they poured the stuff out of the pans, the pan still had, like, the labels on them. They put the food in the oven on disposable pans that still had the plastic labels. And you guys want. And you guys want a free car when you can't even take the plastic label off of your metal disposable pan. Come on now. Come on.

[B]

Yeah, but also, like, do we blame Simone for this? Like, there are some things that I'm like, your kid just fed you plastic.

[A]

That's a.

[B]

Who's like whose fault is like, it's gotta, at some point we have to like blame the parents. You know what I mean? I know you can't blame the parent for every little thing. God knows my parents don't deserve every, you know, the blame for every crime I've ever committed, but some of them, they do. And I, I would like to think like if I put a fork in the microwave or something like that they would be blamed. Sometimes it's okay to, to criminalize parents is what I'm saying.

[A]

I think this is, I'm gonna, I'm gonna give this one to Cecil because I think Simone is off.

[B]

You know, Simone's busy. You're right.

[A]

Yes, Simone's busy. And Cecil is like allegedly had a startup for like, you know, hiring kids to do chores. So like he's literally in the space of overseeing children, being responsible. And so like it's on him. Watch the kids to take the plastic off of your metal tins before you.

[B]

But maybe he wanted to have that business where kids had to work because he couldn't get his own kids to do chores. So he wanted to hire neighborhood kids to do the chores because his kids wouldn't do them. It's all making so much sense.

[A]

Like, upset about this. I'm really upset about this pasta thing. So Carmen so basically venting about Cecil etc, and she says Simone's saying that like about how this all happened and you know, the whole fight and everything and how, how Cecil was very quiet. And basically we cross cut this scene with Cecil's brother David going down to Cecil's basement bar and Cecil's talking, you know, David just has gotten divorced and he's moved to Atlanta. And first they start talking about the divorce and everything. And Cecil then starts saying, see, a lot of times you and Simone and I were not even in the picture. And David's like, yeah, you know Simone, that's my sister. And I mean we've known each other since the 90s and like that's not an in law. Okay? She's. And she called me and she was hurting. And when you see your wife upset, the first thing you do is create a united front with your wife. Because at the end of the day, we know this for a fact. When these kids move on, they're gone. But the person that's going to be by your side is your wife. He's basically saying, you up, Cecil, you up.

[B]

Well, he's also saying, I just got divorced, so do, do you want to do what I did? Okay, then support your Wife. And Cecil's just like, no, I'm sitting here drinking free liquor in the basement bar she bought me. So no, I do not want to support her. And Cecil's getting on my last fucking nerve. And especially in this next clip where we get back to Cecil and he starts screaming and yelling about it when we've never seen this kind of energy out of Cecil ever. Until this. And it's like, you don't make that money, sir. That money comes from her. So please stop saying we, we, we. And rrr. That is her money. You don't do anything. Your kids app is a failure. Okay, what have you sold? What have you sold in real estate? Tell me. I don't believe you have a job and you don't get to be making decisions like this and not supporting your wife.

[A]

Yeah. The only reason why Cecil's getting any sort of grace for me is because I just love saying the name Cecil. God, it's so funny. Cecil. What? Like, Cecil is like. Is probably like a top 1% fun name to say, right, Cecil?

[B]

Well, isn't it like a cute mouse from a cartoon? I think he needs to keep that energy. I feel like the mouse would be supportive.

[A]

Here are the names. Here are two names that will give me that will like automatically get like a little bit of grace for me for no good reason, which is Cecil and Chauncey. I love those names. Those are just adorable. Yeah, I love Chauncey is like, I love. I love. I love a Chauncey. I love. I have a friend named Chauncey and I think I like him. I think a good portion reason why I like him is just because his.

[B]

Name is Chauncey and because he brings you alcohol while you're sitting in your drawing room. I mean, what is he, your butler? I've never known a real person named Chauncey. I thought that was like a butler name.

[A]

And one of our listeners went to college with him. She came up to me in Cincinnati and was like, I went to school with Chauncey. And I was like, you know, Chauncey.

[B]

Did he bring around her car often?

[A]

Excuse me. Chauncey was ch. That Chauncey is. Is for RIP Chauncey on. On Southern Charm.

[B]

Yes. He was preaching. He was pre that Chauncey. Yeah. And post. You see, he's got life.

[A]

There's Chauncey Billups, the basketball player was just arrested as part of a giant, like gambling ring thing. And I was like, that's terrible that he participated. But his name is Chauncey, so I think you should let him go free. Chauncey. Chauncey Phillips.

[B]

Okay. I wonder if we ran numbers, like how many people in prison are even named Chauncey? Probably none. I feel like that's a pretty scot free name. You know, you get off with an adorable chance. Yeah, people just want you to serve. It's like a serving name. So we go back to Simone and she's talking about how her husband Cecil was raised in a very iron fisted home. His dad was really strict and now he's going the opposite way in raising his kids, where he is like the sweet one, the fun one and the nurturing one. And Simone now has to be Papa Whitmore. And so Carmen, the sister is like, well, you know, people of his generation, they overcompensate for what they didn't get from their fathers and they didn't get the affection. So now he's overcompensating. So, you know, you have to agree on the limit. And she's like, but we can't agree on limits if he has no limit. What are you looking at? Tesla's to buy my son.

[A]

I know. Which is where this all winds up going, by the way, for people who have not paid attention. So back to Cecil and he's like, look, okay, here's the beauty, here's the blessing from God. Our parents worked their hands to the bone so we wouldn't be in the same situation as them, so we would have more money so that our boys don't have to stand in the financial aid line, like I said, for three hours at Morehouse to get, to get, you know, mine, okay? And when I came up, I said, you know what? My boys are never gonna stand in the line for financial aid because that is something I'm gonna make sure of. Because that's the way it's supposed to be. We're supposed to be moving as black people. We get so caught up that we struggled and we struggled. So we. So we all have to struggle all the time because we are going to be struggling forever. He's basically like, look, we're trying to get general generational wealth and we need to like, use it. And I think, I mean, I think that like, there is a point to that, right? Like you, you work hard that way the generation under you can be better and better and better. But also there's something, I believe that like, the younger generation has to kind of show up too. So, like, if you've got a kid who's just like, buy me a new car that's different from Saying, like, I put in a lot of work. I've been like a good student. I've been working really hard, try to better myself. And then, you know, the parent says, I'm gonna help you along the way. But if you have the kids that are just relying on that, I think that's what Simone is like. No, no, no, no. There's difference between trying to support your kids versus enabling spoiled brats. And I'm not saying these kids are spoiled brass necessarily.

[B]

Well, he was acting like a spoiled brat in the last episode for sure.

[A]

They are definitely acting a bit entitled. And Simone's like, I'm not gonna do that. I think it's great. I think it's great when parents can. Can pay it forward to those generations. And I totally get why. What's Cecil's saying? But the truth was, ultimately Simone was like, I don't like this. And Cecil should have been backing up his wife in that instance. Even if he disagreed with her, they could talk about it later and say, look, your mom and I were talking and we decided that blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But right in that moment, you've got to support Simone, Cecil.

[B]

Yeah, and I agree with what you're saying, like, generational wealth and all that. And I can. I can see what he's saying as far as that being important and it's something new to him that he's glad to bestow upon his children and all that. But that doesn't mean giving your kids everything and making them do nothing. That's bullshit. It means, like, helping them when you can and teaching them to be responsible adults. I mean, we see so many kids in this world who are given everything and who turn into fucking assholes, you know, I mean, we're in la, we're surrounded by these people, you know, I think they're assholes or horrible people. And nobody likes them, okay? Nobody real likes these people. Like, you have to, you know, you have to teach your kids how to work for what they get in addition to, like, them having the benefits of getting help. And, you know, Cecil does this whole monologue and says, like, I don't want them waiting in the financial aid line and stuff like this. Okay, I get that, but he's making it.

[A]

It's.

[B]

First of all, it's not necessarily like that. From what I mean, applying for scholarships and stuff like that.

[A]

So graduates. Yeah, and he's graduate school different than college.

[B]

I'm sorry, he's just a little too lit up over this for someone who's not paying for it. And that's the end of the day for me. Like, that's what it is for me. At the end of the day. It's like, sir, she is the one out making all this money double because she's the star of the show too, or a star of this show and she's working her ass off. And it's not like you're doing all this stay at home dad stuff. You built yourself a bar, sir. You know what I mean? Like, she is doing it. You don't get to just go spend this money. And I know when you're married it's both of your money, but not to this degree.

[A]

I'm going to say let's just taking out the idea. Like, oh, she brings in all the money. Because I think if, if it were reversed, I would hate it if like the wife doesn't get a say just because like, like a stay at home mom who's.

[B]

Well, but just to amend it, just to amend it though, because in that situation, a lot of times the wife is the stay at home mom and she's doing all the caretaking, which is another job that's like a totally different thing. Cecil doesn't do that. Cecil's not sitting at home making their lunches, doing carpools and all of that shit. Those boys are away, they're at school. Cecil's not doing anything and Simone's still out there working her ass off. So that's why I think it's different.

[A]

I think what's more offensive is that he's more, he's fired up about this. And I feel like he should have shown some energy to be like, don't talk to your mom that way. Not that the kids really.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

To her.

[B]

He did, he did, he did sass after her. But like she said, what do you, what are your plans to do this? And he said, well, my mom makes money. I hear my mom's pretty rich. Like, you're lucky I don't have a fly swatter.

[A]

Yeah. Also the thing is this, what I was gonna say before a little bit was that like, you know, paying for your kids college is one thing, but you know, graduate school, I think, you know, if a parent can help with something and, and they want to, I think it's great. I actually would, I would never, you know, I think it's, it's really, it's wonderful when, when a parent can support their kid if they choose to. But I think that with graduate school it's like there's a, there's a different cadence to that. Like there are a lot of people who go to work after college and they get experience and they, they earn money or whatever and then they, they do put themselves through graduate school. It's a little different than college. If a parent says, hey, I want to help you. You want to further yourself and your career, I want to help, that's great too. But I don't think it's, I don't think it's quite the same as college. I think they're with college. I mean, it's a big ask to. But it is something that people do, which is that like at 18, you pay for your own college. It's definitely something to do, but it's a big ask. So, like there are a lot of parents that will help out their kids. But I think graduate school, you know, you're sort of like stepped into adulthood now.

[B]

But I think the whole thing wasn't even really about if it's graduate or college. It was the, it was the tone of the conversation when he said, she's saying, well, we need to start talking about your schooling and what are you doing? And he's just like, oh, well, you're going to pay for it. Like his whole attitude. I think if she said, okay, what are your plans in order to get this car? What are your plans in order to go to this college? And he said, well, I want to work, but it's going to be hard for me to work full time and pay for the do all of this. I might need help. Then she would have said, I would be glad to help you if you're working. Right. That's where the conversation goes. She's not saying she doesn't want to support the kids. I mean, she bought them an apartment, she's given them all this stuff. It's not like she doesn't give them anything. So the whole. But this fight started because he smarted off to her and Cecil didn't stand up for him and is now acting like she should just pay for everything. And it's just like she's feeling taken advantage of. It's like I work my ass off. These people aren't even grateful. And then they turn me into the bitch when they don't get the first single thing that they want.

[A]

The first thing he asked for was actually a new Jeep. He was like, I had a Jeep. And that was cool, but now it's not so cool anymore. Now it's boring and a half, four years. So his priority was his Jeep. It was not the law school. It's almost like he looped in the law school to sort of almost seem like he had some responsible aspirations. And maybe he does. But again, these situations are also very subjective. They're a case by case basis. And you do have to look at the fact that they got him an apartment. They did this for him. They did this as well as the older brother. And that they've done. It's actually been a lot. They've used up a lot of capital and not just cash. It's like, you know, they. And so I, I think at this point, Simone's like, you just asked for a car and now you're going to tack on law school. It's like, at some point, it's like, it can't just be about asking for things. You got to go out in the world and start earning your keep. And like, I. And the fact that Cecil just sat there while she, what? She's getting really upset and he's not even saying, listen, you guys better apologize to your mother. Or you guys are being, you know, you guys are being really entitled. Because everything that Cecil said isn't necessarily wrong, but has nothing to do with the way that the entitlement that the kids were showing in that moment.

[B]

Right? Yeah. So Cecil's going on and how his dad was so rough and he's promised his kids are never going to have to struggle. And his brother says, yeah, but we grew up in the same. By the way, isn't it funny that he talks exactly like Cecil and they look like we grew up in the same. Yeah, they, yeah, so he's like, we grew up in the same house, I get it. But you're not, you know, you're not catching. That's like, your wife is amazing and you can't discount her. And he's like, you know, you're saying, I, I, I, and we've got the money, but you, you know, your kids are going to be all right, but you're going to be stuck with your wife that's the one who's your partner, so shut up.

[A]

Exactly. It's like it's. And again, it's not like they graduated college like the financial aid, like, they're fine. They will figure out a way to make this work. So when they're, once they're gone out, truly out of the house, you got to, you got your wife. So then Simone is, meanwhile, she's like crying and she's. Because she feels unheard, she feels unconsidered and it's really, really hard. And she's at her breaking point and she's exhausted, she's tired, and it's like too much for her. And so her sister is consoling her. It's like, really. It was a really good scene, actually. So now we go to quad and she's packing while King is watching her. And she's like, king, are you packed already? And he's like, the thing that. That doesn't look like her going for medical purposes. It looks like you're going for a party. Oh, why? Wearing Gucci to the hospital. She's like, oh, King, this little two piece is a comfortable little two piece. But it's Gucci. Bring Gucci to the hospital. It is what I've got, King, you.

[B]

Wake Gucci to the hospital. Yeah, shut up. Who do you think you're with? She wears Gucci to go get the groceries in the morning. Of course she's going to wear Gucci to the hospital. Who do you think you're marrying, sir? I'm sick of. I'm sick of King's smart ass over there, okay? And especially after this scene. So quads like King and I are.

[A]

Headed to Ghana for our third round of egg retrievals.

[B]

And so they. She talks about how the ladies had this supportive party for her, which there was no fights at, which is why they didn't show it. So we see a clip from that and they're all lying around on pool floaties. And Jackie's like, this is where we support our new mother of the group and hope that something enters her vagina and gives her a child or whatever. And then quad just jumps on her, sobbing.

[A]

Here comes one right now. She's full sobbing. You know, she's probably so mad that that whole scene got cut. So King is like, someone happens if we don't get the results that we're looking for on this trip. Well, I'm praying this is our last time, but, I mean, we're going to be hopeful, but we got to be practical at the same time. Practical? What am I not being? You told me you don't mind. You just said all we do is have to do is make more money. You said you didn't mind. So what's happening?

[B]

He's like, it's been nonstop, though. Like, I have to go with you. Like, come on. She like, but we did it. We knew we were going to have to go through this struggle. He's like, no, we thought it was going to be one and done. Okay, really? So you're mad at having to spend all this money and time on ivf? That's not how it works. IVF takes over sometimes.

[A]

Like, but I don't like the trips to Ghana. Is it. Or is he like, I thought we only had to go to Ghana once. And he's like, we're going on our third trip to Ghana. Maybe.

[B]

I mean, there are doctors that aren't in Ghana that, you know, there might be a more practical way to do this. I don't know, maybe she got like some Instagram deal where it's like, the doctor and Ghana offered, so she's going to get those discounts or whatever. I don't know. It's housewives, so you never know.

[A]

Just a shame that they don't know any OBGYNs in this group, you know?

[B]

Yeah, right. I just feel like he. If he's. He's not coming off as that supportive. Even though she's trying to convince us that he is very supportive. But his whole, like, well, maybe we should just accept it that we're not. It's not going to work. It's like, no. And if you think this is a pain in the ass, wait till you get the kids. Well, yeah, that's harder.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, the thing is, he actually knows because he has a daughter. So the quad is like, babe, I don't want to come across like, I'm forcing you to do something, but ever since day one when you said, this is a dream of mine, this is what I would do. I would like to become a mom. Just being by myself side and supporting me through all of this. Like, you stopped your job and I recognize the sacrifices that you made for me. Sometimes I don't. I'm not the best with my attitude. And you just. I'm telling you, I'm owning that. It's like you're owning it. And just like, laughs and she's like, yes, no one else can own my shit. I don't think anyone else wants to own that shit. Ha ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

[B]

And she's like, I don't want you to think I don't see what you're doing for me. Okay. I don't know. I'm getting bad vibes from this guy. Like, I like, I like that she's with a hot guy and she seems very happy. But, yeah, I'm bothered. I'm bothered. There's a lot of warning signs about him. It's like, you know, I get a smart ass. I love a smart. Obviously I'm a smart ass, but it's rubbing me.

[A]

I agree. I agree. I think that some of his jokes I. I don't. I've just never been comfortable with. With people who make jokes at the expense of their partners. I just feel like it's. I feel like it's a slippery slope. It might start off as, like, funny, like, banter, but I feel like I've seen it across the board in all relationships and on tv, which is where our relationships are. The purists always go downhill to going from, like, funny banter slowly to, like, barbs to toxicity. So I get a little like, I don't love that either. That being said, I do understand if I. If. If he is sort of like, in a veiled way, talking about, like, all these trips to Ghana. These are a little. This is a little impractical. If that's sort of what he's talking about, then I can kind of understand. But if he's talking about, like. And I also understand, like, let's not get overly consumed with this. If it's not meant to be, it's not meant to be. I understand that as well. But if he's just kind of like, well, we tried it once. Didn't work. Oh, well, moving on. I don't like that.

[B]

Yeah, I guess I think what's rubbing me the wrong way is that if he's felt this way, why is he waiting until they're on camera to say something to her? Because she seems genuinely shocked when he says, aren't we done? Like, how many. How much more of this are we going to do? And she's like, but you knew we were going to have to do more. And he's like, no, I thought it was a one off. It's like, oh, I don't know. It's like he's too comfortable kind of cutting her down on camera already. You know, I just don't like it. Like, the little comments then doing this and then her apologizing all the time, like, well, I've apologized for my attitude. It's like, there's just a lot adding up that's making me not really like him.

[A]

He had to know it was not just a one off because he did all that research on the last episode.

[B]

Where he's like, I know one. At one minute you're an expert on vaginas and now you're confused that IVF takes more than one shot sometimes times.

[A]

Yeah. Okay, so if he's. If he's saying, I thought it was a one off on ivf, I'm like, sir. But if he says, I thought it was a one off on going to Ghana, I'm like, I gotta get it. Yeah.

[B]

So then we go over to Simone. It's a ladies event. Build a bag. We're gonna build our own bags. So Toya arrives, and Simone's like, we have so much tension in this group. So it started because Heavenly left her bag at Brandy's dinner, and Toya called it fake. And then Heavenly forgot to take the bag again from Toya's house. And she's like, if we can't be shady about a bag, what are we doing?

[A]

So Toya's like, well, we don't even understand why our friends have to carry thick bags. And there's this woman named Jackie who's like, well, we're going to make some real ones with some real leather today. Because she's like a. She's like a bag lady. Not like a bag lady, but she's like a bag. A lady who makes bags and has events where people make their own little floppy bags with Bertram. And so. So Toya's like, yeah. I'm like, but if you ain't gotta, just don't do it. It ain't even that deep. I mean, says Toya, who's had a new house, a new rental every single year. Come on, now. Yeah.

[B]

I mean, come on, come on, come on. And there's a new story today that she's even looking for a new house again. So come on. So Toria is like, well, I mean, I could have Heavily's feelings that bad by just by calling a bad fake. But, you know, it's not like anybody thought it was real. You think that people think Heavenly's walking around the Jimmy Jewels and Balenciaga bags, the Gucci and Fendi dresses? No, we always think it's fake. Yeah, but here's the thing. We always think yours are fake, too, because who in their right mind would spend that much money on shitty clothes just because they have a. A circle that says Gucci or Chanel on it? I mean, you look like a dumbass. So if yours isn't fake, you're actually the dumbest one on this show, because that's crazy to be spending that kind of money on. Stupid.

[A]

Yeah. So Mimi and Heavenly are driving there, and Heavenly is driving very fast. And Mimi's like, slow down, Slow down. And Heavenly's like, so it's. You know, she said no.

[B]

Heavenly's in her nice girl voice. She's like, I got you, girl. Don't worry about a girl.

[A]

I got a girl.

[B]

Now, see, I heard that. Now you saw that. Now, how we doing, girl? How we doing, girl. That's my favorite heavenly voice.

[A]

Yeah. So Mimi's like. She's like, well, speaking. Okay, well, let's talk about this group chat. She's like, oh, yeah, let's group chat. Well, all I said honestly was that we were telling each other happy Father's Day, and Toya said she loved her husband and she was appreciative of him. And she's like, well, Toya says, so thankful for Eugene and my fathers, and I'm so blessed, and so are my sons. And please wish your fathers and husbands an amazing Father's Day. Yeah, it was very, very sweet. Very sweet. And you said, make sure to tell him that Toya.

[B]

Well, you don't know the history, though. You don't know the history why I said that. And she says that the history is that Toya is always disrespecting her man, and her man needs to hear her praise in front of the friends, because everything she sees in front of the friends is negative about her man. Which is a good point. So then we go back to Toya, and she's like, oh, she should not be talking, because we had this conversation, and we said, don't mention my husband. So why are you on the text thread now? Me tell your husband happy Father's Day? I mean, I don't want to tell my husband. Like, I'm almost 50 years old. We got a good relationship. We got five green eggs.

[A]

I know. Yes, you clearly, you know exactly what to tell your man, which is why you had to have a summit down in the basement by the Honda CRV signing table with margaritas and Mason jar glasses. So Simone is like, well, I didn't. So Toya's talking with Simone. She's like, I didn't perceive it as shady until you said it. Well, how could you not like, okay, come on. Can I have a cocktail? That was very shady. So now Jackie and Brandy arrive at the party, and angel shows up, and Brandy is saying that she's excited, you know, and she's, you know, about. After all this back and forth with the bag, there's been so much drama.

[B]

And.

[A]

And she's basically like, yeah, you know, Simone, this. You're being shady by throwing this event. But, like, I also love the shade, so I'm down for it.

[B]

So angel is saying that she wanted to take a friend of hers to meet a doctor. They wanted to. They want to introduce the new girl angel to a doctor. So she's like, I was trying to get you to come to the office to meet the Doctor. And Angel's like, well, the top three things I look for a man is to know their connection with God. Because if they don't have one, my kids names are going to make no sense. And they need to be smart and be loyal, be good if he was hot. But those, those other things, I really want a kid named Tithe. So I'm really working on a religious person.

[A]

I just can't wait to introduce this new man to my child. Confession. These are my confessions. So angel is like, she's like, okay, so what type of material are we using? Look, okay, it's right here. But I don't want to, I don't want to touch heavily stuff until she tells us to touch it or Jackie stuff to tell it. So they're like, okay. So they're just checking the bags and checking to see if it's real leather. And she's like, yeah, yeah, no, it's real leather. I mean, is it okay though? Because the people seem to think to fit in, they got to come in with some fake shit, if you know what I'm saying. It's like, yes, Toya, we get it. You think that Heavenly has a fake bag.

[B]

Yeah, we get it, Toya. It's just your big story is Heavenly has a fake bag, which Heavenly doesn't even care. She's admitted it. Take like, who cares? So she's like, why you got to try and fit in like that? You got to have to ask heav it. And so Heavenly comes in and you know, it's like.

[A]

So then Contessa shows up. And Contessa, like they're all sort of dressed relatively casually as much as one is on Bravo. And Contessa comes in in like this sequined blue, purple kind of dress that's like mini. I don't know what you call those, those sort of dresses, like a mini skirt. But it's like, you know, but it's like a going out, going out to the club dress. And was like, contessa, what is happening? Right?

[B]

Toria just goes, where are you going? She's like, just to see my girls. I've been cooped up with kids.

[A]

I thought it was a sexy day.

[B]

And they're like, no. And I guess it's later that they're like, no matter where Contessa goes, she will dress inappropriately. Like show a big clip of Contessa just dressing wrong for every event.

[A]

Yeah, I think Heavenly was like, she's like, this is a beautiful girl, but she just doesn't know what to do with It.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So this woman, Jackie's, like, trying to throw this event, and she's like, okay, everyone, welcome. Okay. Okay, so we're gonna have a drinks, and then you're gonna get one minute to choose materials. But they're, like, not really paying attention because now we go over to the men's. Because what's more fun than watching the men sit around and smoke cigars? I was like, like, hot take. I really don't care about the scenes when the men get together. Although this one was okay. You know, Eugene was sort of confrontational. But generally speaking, when the men.

[B]

Well, it was good, because usually it's Eugene coming after everybody else. Right? Like. And he tried it in this one. It's like, your wives. You know, he's always trying to do. Like, the guys are crazy, but the guys keep it separate from the wives. But this one, he's trying to blame everything from his wife on to all the other wives. And I like that they didn't let him do that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because basically, they bring up the party, right? They bring up the other party and the shit show that that was. And. Well, no, first they talk about the office. They talk about this new office. And Eugene's like, well, you know, I knew we were gonna rent from you, Scott. But, you know, Toya went and, you know, she's pretty judgmental. And then we see Toria being like, you're supposed. People are going to be pooping outside of your office, and we're moving up like the Jeffersons. And it's like, yeah, Toria said no, so we'll be looking for a different place.

[A]

Different place. And Curtis is like, well, don't go up to Dunwoody or Duluth, because then my wife's gonna burn down your office.

[B]

Yeah, because she's doing weight loss stuff, too. So then we go back to the ladies, and they're like, okay, ladies, we're gonna make our own leather clutch. So you're gonna have one minute to get your stuff. And they're like, well, what if someone else takes our leather? There's someone's like, like, you take it from them. No, Jackie says you're gonna take it from them. That's what you do.

[A]

Take what's yours. So. So Jackie. So then toy's like, by the way. So do we put the leather on the inside and the outside of the bag? And Jackie's like, yeah, that's. That's. This is a real leather bag. She's okay, because some people are not used to that. So Brandy's like, you're so shady. Why is everyone looking at me like that? I was just saying, some people are not used to leather on the inside, at the outside of their bag. Some people have fake leather bags. That's all I'm saying. Because I have a friend whose purse I brought with me. Hey, friend. And she pulls out Heavenly's bag. And heaven. Heavenly is like. She's trying. Really trying to, like, not, like, pop off. Because she's like, you know, she's like, you know. You know, all I know is my portfolio because she's saying, like, I'm running for office. It cannot go off on Toya, which, unfortunately for her, does not.

[B]

Yeah, you can go off on Twitter. You can do whatever you want in office. Now. This is 2026. Do whatever the. You could murder somebody and still win, you know? So Toya's like, I want her to be able to tell which one is real based on the leather. So I thought it would be a good example. She's like, well, I do know about my portfolio. That's what I know. Toya. That's all I know. And I think it's thicker than a lot of people's in here, right? Toya, College fund. Something like that.

[A]

Toya.

[B]

And she's like, well, what the Wants to use us, for example? No one wants to use it.

[A]

Jackie's like, you got one minute for materials. Come on. I'm trying to have a scene for you guys. So they all go and they pick out their materials and everything. And she's like, okay, you're gonna make your bag. You're create a border, and you cut out the leather and stuff. And Contessa's like, you want to go? You guys want to know something funny? Like, something funny from Contessa? That would be a first. Well, guess what. Guess how Scott paid his way through medical school. He sold fake coach bags. He gave me a coat. Fake coach bag. And. And he was like. Like, you can't even tell. And I was like, I could tell Scott. And I was like, why are all these girls calling Scott up? And it turns out he really was selling coaches. I went to his house. He really had coaches. And then I finally. I was like, okay, now that you finish your residency, you have to stop selling the coach bags. Guys, isn't this a hilarious story?

[B]

I actually thought it was. And I loved this about Scott. This is the best thing we've ever learned about Scott. It actually made me like, Scott, he paid his way through college making fake bags.

[A]

Yeah, I love that.

[B]

That's such a unique husband Story he sold fake.

[A]

He sold fake bags in order to get his real bag.

[B]

Yeah, that's right. So then we go back to the men, and they bring up Toya. So Scott's like, okay, so Toya doesn't want to rent from me. So she's still mad at you from your party the other night, huh? Is she mad? And she's still mad at all the other husbands. And Damon's like, I don't know. I hope not. Dr. Daddy signing in.

[A]

Yeah, it's like, I mean, you know, look, this is what happening was saying that you. That you and Toya's relationship, you guys talk to each other in a way that you guys talk to each other, and that works for you guys. And Curtis is like, yeah, I mean, we all have an opinion on how you and Toya relate to each other, because it's not how Jackie and I relate to each other or how Scott and Contessa relate to each other or how Damon Heavenly relate to each other. How most people relate to each other. I mean, you guys. You guys don't even buy vintage cars and drive around in them or anything like that. And the difference is that she'll just dump it out in public. And I've never really seen you come back at her in public. And, you know, that's fine. That's how it works for you guys. That's good for you. You guys have your own dysfunctional communication, and it works for you. Dysfunctional for us, Functional for you, your.

[B]

Wife for, you know, you forgive your wife for screaming at you in public. My wife forgives me for cheating. So we all have our things. And Eugene's like, well, you know, I think that, you know, a lot of the wives at this point are just stressing her out, you know? Like, I. I did hear Heavenly say that's not how Eugene likes to be talked to. I mean, I think that was a little bit of a jab. She was standing up for you because you were getting yelled at at your own party. I mean, what the hell? So Eugene's like, yeah, okay, look, we have unconventional, communic. Unconventional communication. She likes screaming at me in public. And I like saying I'm sorry and then buying multiple appliances, multiple small appliances. And Damon's like, well, you know, I mean, you look. You took. You look at it a little bit different. And Eugene's like, well, only because I'm privy to some of the comments they say to Toya. I mean, they're just not positive. Your wife is screaming at somebody right now across town, mocking them. In front of everybody for, like, the fourth day in a row for having a fake purse.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, you just don't have a leg to stand on. When you're saying everybody's mean to Toria. I'm sorry.

[A]

And that is not an insult of your manhood. When we say you don't have a.

[B]

Leg to stand on, you don't have a third leg to stand on.

[A]

Okay? He's like, I don't know. I've just seen him running. It's like an insult to my manhood. And Damon's like, well, very rarely has my wife said something to you. He's like, well, not to me, but about me. And you never said anything that I thought was disrespectful to me or my family. None of you guys. All the guys are pretty. I mean, men, Right? Men are pretty sane. Right? But women, crazy. Curtis is like, yeah, but Toya has given it as good as she has gotten it.

[B]

So, yeah, they show that. They show the clip of Toya being on Watch what happens. And Curtis has had his hands on many of the women, so he needs to keep his hands to himself. And, I mean, probably in Eugene's mind, it's like, yeah, but that one made you look more like a man. That wasn't emasculating.

[A]

Eugene's like, yeah, I'm not saying my wife is innocent or any wife is innocent. I'm just saying, you know, like, we're just all. At one moment, we're talking about a bag, and then suddenly it's like, your husband's got a little dick. And I'm like, where did that come from? Right, Right.

[B]

Well, yeah, but it's okay when your wife is like, poor, shaming somebody or saying that she's richer than them and everything else and trying to humiliate them in that way, you're totally fine with that until it comes to your little dick. Which I'd like to point out again, only came up because Toya said it on camera.

[A]

Little dick only came up that way. So Chris is like, well, the women have said stuff about every man in this group, and it's just the way it goes, okay? Women. Women are crazy. Men are chill. Don't you know that's the first rule of this show? And Damon's like, yeah, and you know what needs to change? The wives. And Eugene's like, wait, we've got to change wives? And then they all laugh.

[B]

Yeah, and also, good luck with that. Good luck with that, Damon. So then we go back to the ladies and Simone's like, so Toya, I did talk to Heavenly today, and she confirmed that she did not mean any shade made by the text on Father's day. And she's like, well, I wonder why she didn't tell me that. It's like, I didn't mean anything by Toya. If I meant something about it, I would say it. Honestly, you know that about me, Toya.

[A]

Honestly, I thought that was pretty direct. I'm so blessed and so are my sons. Please wish your father and husbands an amazing father's Day, please. Sure. Tell. And make sure to tell him that on. On camera. Toya, that was pretty. That was. That was. That was pretty mean. And Heaven's like, yeah, well, I said.

[B]

In front of everybody.

[A]

You should say in front of everybody because you embarrass him in front of everybody. And it makes so feel so unfortunate, so uncomfortable toy. And so Brandon's like, yeah, that was shady. So heavenly, like, it was a positive text. It was very, very positive. Actually. It wasn't a good text.

[B]

Well, I felt like it was a really good text.

[A]

It was a really good text. So Angel's like, well, I. This is what I have to say. Hello, I'm Angel. Okay, this is what I have to say. If you've sent a message out making, saying, make sure to tell your husband that on camera. Prior to that, Heavenly, it was a conversation about you speaking about her husband on his penis size, and she had a problem with that. And I don't think, you know, when you offend someone, it's like, yeah, but.

[B]

She mentions my family on the other text, and you'll act like you didn't even see that whole text. And we see Toya saying in text, you should focus on your own family, especially on camera. I'm sure they need that same support from you. And Toya's like, keep your name out of my mouth. And it's like, well, stop doing negative to your husband then. I mean, he might like it. I don't know. All I was saying it was. It was from a good place, though.

[A]

Shut the up. And Evelyn's like, you shut the up. What you need is to shut the up. It's like, well, you're deflected from what you said, which was shady. You do this all the time and you're a liar. Yeah, you're so.

[B]

You're a damn fake ass.

[A]

And then Jackie's like, sitting there on the side being like, oh, God.

[B]

Monologue from Jackie Time, guys. And also, Toya, you started it with the first comment. I'm sorry. You can try and twist this any way you want to. Like, oh, she was meaner, though. And they turn it in. Jackie says you don't have to throw a boulder when they throw a rock. If you throw a rock at somebody and you get a boulder back in your face, you'll still go to jail for being the one that threw the rock. Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

People are allowed to defend themselves. If it's a boulder, it's a boulder. Okay, don't get mad at the mountain after you threw a rock at it. But anyway.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

It's monologue time for famous proverb.

[A]

Don't get. Don't. Don't get mad. You think it's go tell it to the mountain. No, it's go throw the rock at the mountain. See what sort of rock mountain throws back. And then throw that rock back at it and just go back and forth until you realize you're just throwing rocks. Oh, yeah.

[B]

Dummy. So then, Jackie, monologue. She's like, contessa, Toil, Angel, Brandy, Heavenly, Mariah, that other lady I forgot from the first season who had an English accent for no reason. Carrie. Now, listen, I'm soft spoken because my heart hurts. It's broken. We've been there when times have been tough. And I'm really sad right now that we've created this group where we can't help each other pick out dildos or discuss vibrators over a nice, calm lunch. You and Toya have never been this broken before. And Heavenly don't throw a boulder if they threw a rock.

[A]

You know, you're right.

[B]

Thank you. Thank you, doctor.

[A]

And she's like, I just think it's sad. We're at a place where we can't even make bags that look like unfilled raviolis without yelling at each other. We can't even create bags that look.

[B]

Like envelopes from a bill collector covered in fur without fighting.

[A]

Furry, unfilled raviolis. Jackie's like, I truly think that you were trying to come at Toya the right way. I do. Wrong time, wrong message thread. Oh, and by the way, I smell funky. You guys made me lose my deodorant.

[B]

It's like I did not know what I was smelling. I'm funky now. I smell funky. Thank you, ladies.

[A]

I thought it was the leather.

[B]

So Heavenly's like, now, look, I really don't have a problem with Toya. I hope that we can learn from this and we can grow because we're sisterhood. And I will always be there for Toya when she gets ready and when she Needs me there to pay her rent. I'll be there for her.

[A]

Place that heavenly and I can go is up. And if she means what she says and keeps her word. And I will wait and see you. But I definitely don't believe that she's not gonna talk about my husband anymore. Which is correct. She will continue to. And she'll let your husband and your mother too.

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[B]

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