#3144 Crappy Hour 1/5/26: Catty Cults

Summary

Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens — Episode #3144 "Crappy Hour 1/5/26: Catty Cults"

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: January 6, 2026

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Episode Overview

Ben and Ronnie kick off the first Crappy Hour of 2026 with a lively rundown of Bravo’s latest drama, celebrity antics, and outrageous reality headlines. The theme centers on the cult-like social dynamics of Real Housewives stars and Bravo celebrities—both on and off the screen—while also unpacking newsy scandals, cast shake-ups, and fan-favorite snark.

They dive deep into:

• The Ashley Tisdale “mom group” drama
• A roundup of Bravo-lebrity run-ins and event gossip
• Reactions to the controversial TLC Mary Cosby “cult” documentary (with Ben unwittingly featured)
• News from Kyle Richards, Beverly Hills, and more Housewives
• Juicy items from Southern Hospitality, Potomac, and Salt Lake City

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Main Discussion Highlights & Timestamps

1. Mom Groups: The Ashley Tisdale Fallout

[02:16 – 06:12]

• Ben laments his own "toxic mom group" experience, highlighting public drama between Ashley Tisdale, Hilary Duff, Meghan Trainor, and Mandy Moore.

• The hosts recall former Bravo “Mom” shows and contrast them with current highly-produced reality techniques.

• Notable funny moment on Ashley’s age:

  “Ashley Tisdale from High School Musical is 40. What next?” — Ben (03:14)

• The politics and personal alliances within these celebrity mom groups are likened to classic Real Housewives exits.

• Ronnie laughs at the spectacle, mocking Bravo’s earlier attempts at mom-based reality shows:

  “It was so scripted for me… I don't want to see the seams. That's why I like Bravo shows.” — Ben (04:37)

• Crystal Kung Minkoff’s real-life ties to the “kicking out” culture of mom groups.

2. Bravo Celebrity Encounters & Gossip

[06:13 – 11:34]

• Ronnie recounts meeting Crystal Kung Minkoff and Shannon Beador at Shane Douglas’s birthday. Shannon, self-deprecating and “looking gorgeous,” fusses over candid party photos.
• Musings over Jeff Lewis’s alleged matchmaking between Shannon Beador and Steve Guttenberg (with running gags about ‘Police Academy’ and ‘Short Circuit’).
• Ben missed the party for a marathon board game; Ronnie jokes about party guests obsessing over their exes.
• Kelly Dodd’s absence (and rumored political leanings) is noted humorously.

3. Bravo Premiere Overload & Programming Notes

[11:35 – 13:17]

• Discussion about the Bravo lineup becoming crowded with new premieres (“The Valley” Persian style, “The Traitors”), making it hard for the hosts to cover everything, despite their enthusiasm for the shows.
• Ben reflects:

  “Honestly, if I had my druthers, honestly, I would drop—I don't know if I’d drop anything. All these shows are so good… Even when you have bad seasons, they're so fun to make fun of.” (12:03)

4. Show Reviews: ‘Rivalry’ and Rich Lady Romps

[13:18 – 14:17]

• Ronnie and Ben chat about the “Rivalry” show—described as a lot of skin, but also heartfelt gay drama.
• Ben professes his love for “rich older ladies just cavorting” on reality tv.

5. Deep-Dive: TLC’s Mary Cosby ‘Cult’ Documentary

[17:16 – 29:21]

• Ben reacts to being featured in the TLC documentary about Mary Cosby’s controversial church, explaining he’s delighted, not bothered, that his clips were used without permission:

  “I literally could not have been happier. I'm not gonna lie… I know it's wrong. This is like, the most delightful way to start the new year.” — Ben (18:06)

• Other Bravo content creators are reportedly upset about their footage being used, especially with exaggerated follower counts.

• Ronnie summarizes the doc’s revelations: lies about Mary’s marriage origin, groomed relationships, control over church members, and old allegations of forgery and manipulation.

• The hosts downplay its cultural impact today:

  “This really just makes the Ashley and Cherie son thing just seems like a fun walk in the park.” — Ben (25:13)
  “I just don't feel like I can be outraged again. I feel like it's over. The scab has healed over.” — Ben (28:23)

6. Kyle Richards Moves & Relationship Rumors

[29:33 – 34:04]

• Kyle’s Tennessee real estate purchase is confirmed as a second home; the Encino house may be sold (or Ben just hopes so).

  “I hate that house. I'm so glad. That house with its stupid tall, suffocating hedges… And it's generic, like, white pillared facade. I don't even know what style of house it is. Just so generic.” — Ben (29:50)

• Rumors about reuniting with Mauricio (spotted together at New Year’s) spark speculation about her love life and whether she is really zigzagging between lovers (Morgan vs. Mo), to comedic effect.

7. Celebrity “Stranded on Vacation” Fiasco

[34:05 – 40:31]

• Gossip about Bravo stars stranded in luxe vacation spots post-holiday: Shep (St. Barts), Melissa Gorga (Aruba), Giselle, and even Bethenny Frankel.
• Shep’s cluelessness about his fellow Bravolebs; Bethenny gets a “face infection” after St. Barts partying and posts a TikTok lamenting the “Hunger Games of fashion and money.”
• Andy Cohen later shades Bethenny, calling her only the “Margarita Lady” on his show.

8. Salt Lake City & Potomac Drama

[41:33 – 49:28]

• Monica Garcia throws shade at fellow RHOSLC cast for alleged hypocrisy around alcohol—and strongly hints Heather is the one with alcohol poisoning story, reigniting intra-cast feuding.

  “Don't throw olives when you live in a Tito's bottle. That's what she's saying. And I agree with that.” — Ronnie (44:00)

• Grace Lilly’s messy arrest (Circle K, “Happy Pills”, Xanax) and rumors of her exit from “Southern Hospitality.”

• Real Housewives of Potomac Four Seasons-gate: speculation that the cast didn’t stay in Angel’s “cabin,” and faked their accommodations for the cameras.

9. Housewives Casting Rumors: Heather Dubrow’s Beverly Hills Tease

[49:29 – 53:19]

• Talk of Heather Dubrow posting diamond emojis and sparking rumors of a RHOBH crossover—with Ben and Ronnie skeptical, pondering Bravo’s brand elitism and whether Heather could fit in with the Beverly Hills crew or just be pegged an “OC try-hard.”

  “I think that she would try to do Beverly Hills cosplay, but eventually her Heather Du-Bro-ness would come out and then Kyle would be like, Wow, she's really intense.” — Ben (51:02)

• Community hopes for Emily or Gina’s exit; confirmation that Katie Janela is out.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Commentary

• On documentary outrage:

  “We have built a career off of Bravo tv… and all of a sudden I'm gonna act precious. I can't. Sorry. Other things I'll get mad at.” — Ben (18:38)

• On Bravo’s frugality:

  “Bravo is cheap. Their asses are spending everything. All their money goes to Beverly Hills. They don't have money for any of this other shit.” — Ronnie (15:28)

• On the celebrity vacation ‘Hunger Games’:

  “Bethany, you are the Hunger Games… You're literally hungry.” — Ben/Ronnie (38:07, 38:10)

• On Heather Dubrow possibly jumping franchises:

  “On OC she acts like she's a goddess because she's got so much money…on Beverly Hills they would treat her like the poor one, which I would love.” — Ronnie (51:09)

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Top Segments & Timestamps

• Ashley Tisdale Mom Group Drama: [02:16–06:12]
• Bravo Party Recap (Crystal & Shannon): [06:13–11:34]
• Bravo Scheduling Overload (The Valley, Traitors): [11:35–13:17]
• Mary Cosby TLC Cult Doc Reaction: [17:16–29:21]
• Kyle Richards Home & Relationship News: [29:33–34:04]
• Vacay Stranded Fiasco (Shep, Melissa, Bethenny): [34:05–40:31]
• Potomac House Mystery: [47:05–49:28]
• Heather Dubrow/OC-BH Crossover Rumors: [49:29–53:19]

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Tone & Delivery

Consistently snarky, inside-jokey, and riotously affectionate toward the Bravo universe, Ben & Ronnie bounce between mock-serious commentary and playful ridicule. They keep things moving quickly, packing the episode with inside references, campy observations, and interactive chat comments.

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Summary for Newcomers

If you missed this edition of Crappy Hour, you missed a Bravo-verse fever dream—part celebrity roast, part reality TV news, and part insider dish. Ben and Ronnie break down why “catty cults” are everywhere on Bravo and beyond, why nobody can keep up with the franchise or its ever-turning real estate carousel, and how old scandals just never really die in the world of Housewives.

From the saga of Ashley Tisdale's mom group, wild party stories, salt thrown at TLC for recycled scandals, to classic shade at Kyle’s Encino house and Bethenny’s St. Barts woes, it’s a crash course in the love-hate obsession that unites Bravo’s sprawling cast of characters—and makes Watch What Crappens must-listen for Bravo fans.

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Transcript

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[Ronnie Karam]

Well, hello and welcome to the first crappy hour of 2026. I'm Ronnie and that's been. Hello Aam. Hi.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hello, Ronnie. How are you doing?

[Ronnie Karam]

Good. What's going on with you this fine New Year night?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, what is going on? Well, I don't know if you heard, but I had to leave my mom group. It's just too toxic. No, they were.

[Ronnie Karam]

God.

[Ben Mandelker]

I went on Instagram and I saw that that Hillary Duff was hanging out with Meghan Trainor without me and I just started to cry tears of joy. And I thought, this joy is too. It's too intense for me. I need to leave this group because I'll be just too happy knowing that Meghan Trainer does not want to hang out with me. Just be in a state of wondering if she'd want to hang out with me. So that's where I'm at.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. For those of you who don't know what Ben's talking about, Ashley Tisdale just came out with a bombshell article about being very upset about what transpired in her mom group. So who's in this mom group? Meghan Trainor, first of all, don't be in a mom group with Megan. I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's. That's what I mean.

[Ronnie Karam]

Honestly, one of the most obnoxious people on the planet. Why would you do that to yourself? And who else is in there?

[Ben Mandelker]

Hillary Duff, Mandy Moore? I don't know who else. People. Can people tell us in the comments? I was honestly, the big. The big takeaway for me is that Ashley Tisdale is 40. Like, that was the thing. That was the record scratch moment for me. I was like, I mean, I know our millennials are. Are aging now, or elder millennials are now in their 40s, late 30s, and 40s, and. And I. I'm barely accepting that, But Ashley Tisdale from. From. From High school musical is 40. What next? You know, that makes me have to realize that, like, our Laguna beach kids are, like, 38, 39. It's very difficult for me. But I don't know who else is in that group. Does anyone know anyone in the. In the.

[Ronnie Karam]

People are saying, let me see here. Let me read some of these comments. Somebody said, I think Mandy Moore was the real hit.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, God. Mandy Moore's being on the road.

[Ben Mandelker]

She unfollowed. I think Mandy Moore and Hilary Duff. But then Carrie in the comments says, Ashley Tisdale is also maga, and I think the others are not. So that could be. That could be an issue. I will say this. You know, I know this is big news in. In the world. You know, this whole thing about her leaving the mom group. Some of us have been watching people leave the mom groups for years, which is called the end of a Real Housewife season. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

This isn't our first Bravo in general. Yeah, we've seen this forever. Remember, they had that show on Bravo about the moms. It was like, there goes the mamberhood or something like that. And you refuse. That was one of the only shows. Ben was like, I refuse. I think we did the first one, and you were like, I'm putting my foot down. This isn't now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because it was so scripted, it was too scripted for me. It didn't feel authentic at all. Like, you know, I understand that these These shows have a degree of production and there's producer manipulation, but. But like, I don't want to see the seams. And that's why I like Bravo shows, because I feel like, by and large, they, they are really well done. Whereas if you go on to E, or you go on to like, certain Netflix shows, Hulu shows, it's just like you, you, you almost can see the producer off camera waving their arms and holding up signs saying, ask this question. I mean, it's just, it's too much, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Michael Horn says Crystal Kung Minkoff said one of her childhood friends is in this group, which is hilarious. She, Crystal Kung Minkoff loves a getting kicked out of a mommy group story because, you know, she had her own of like the 16 friends or the 14 friends or whatever. So I like that she's even friends with somebody in a group that kicks somebody out. A lot of kicking out going on in these friend groups, these mom friend groups.

[Ben Mandelker]

The kicker or the kicky gonna be bitch.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I, you know, Ashley Tisdale, I don't know about her politics. I don't know really anything about her except her name's stupid. And I will say this, though. I don't want somebody in my mom group who's gonna like, go run to the press every time there's a problem in mom group. I think that that's just like a symptom of what kind of person that is. Okay. Because mom group is mom group. We don't talk about mom group outside of mom group. Only our gay sons are allowed to go talk about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

By the way, Ashley Tisdale is denying that she's a Republican, according to a very quick Google search. So who knows. Who knows what's. What's at the core of this?

[Ronnie Karam]

Aaron said Crystal called herself a trendsetter. That's funny. I met Crystal.

[Ben Mandelker]

She was wearing. Oh, yeah, go on. No, I was saying she was wearing ugly leather pants. Go on.

[Ronnie Karam]

I went to Shane Douglas's birthday party. Shane Douglas of the Jeff Lewis show and Camp. The Jeff Lewis Camp. It was his birthday. He's so cute. And Ben was busy, but I went to his birthday party. It was so much fun. I finally met Crystal Kung Minkoff. What a lovely lady. We've met on DMs because she used to listen to Crappens when she was on it and told us. And we said, please don't, like, I'm not apologizing to you, so please stop listening. So we didn't know her in real life. And it was so nice to Meet her. What a lovely, lovely lady. Hopefully we'll have her on here soon to talk. Because of course, you know, I was like, give me your number. You're coming on our show. But that was really fun. And Shannon Bedor was there as well, huh? Looking gorgeous. She looks great. Now, Shannon, I. I did talk to a bit, but I don't. I'm not like, as like, hey, girl, what's up? Like, with Crystal, I was like, okay, let's talk and be friends. But with Shannon, you know, I'm still talking shit about Shannon, so I can't. I can't get too close. But she is so fucking funny. First of all, she looks amazing. She was sitting there. I think she came close to me to get a break, which little did she know, you're not going to get a break coming to stand next to me. So she sat there, she's going through her phone and just kind of in her own world. And finally I'm talking to somebody. And 10 minutes later, I turned around, I was like, what are you doing? You've been on your phone. And I looked at what she was doing. I said, why are you just looking at all these pictures of yourself? Because everyone kept coming by and taking pictures of Shannon. I said, what are you doing, a photo booth? And she, no, I just. I have to find a good picture. Don't even worry. Don't worry about it. I'm just trying. I said, well, they all look fine. You look good. Like, she literally, she legit looked gorgeous. I'm like, what do you. Who cares? And someone's like, oh, Jeff is trying to set her up with Steve Guttenberg. So it turns out on his show, I don't even know how this came up, but apparently Jeff is trying to set this lady up with Steve Guttenberg. So we're all going through. Well, by we all, I meant me. I immediately brought up his Insta, and I was like, whoa, Steve Guttenberg. But then there's some shirtless pictures. And I was like, well, Steve Guttenberg, Shannon, you deserve this. You deserve a break today, okay? McDonald's is shit. And she's like, well, you know, I just care about what's in your heart. I said, he has a tiny robot lot. Shannon has not seen Short Circuit, so she didn't get that. I was like, rent the movie. You're not allowed to date Steve Gutenberg. Also, what kind of mother were you that you didn't show your child short circuit?

[Ben Mandelker]

Did you also remind Shannon that he is a proud protector of the peace as a member of the. Of a police force. I have to assume he still has that, given that he did graduate from a police academy once or three or. I was like, bloop. Bl. Bl.

[Ronnie Karam]

Steve Gutenberg.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love that. That's why I was. Listen, I only watched Police Academy for the sound effects guy and Sharon Stone.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And someone said, yeah, Jeff is just trying to give you a happy life. I said, yeah, what Jeff is trying to do is give you a very happy relationship so then he can ruin your relationship. You know how this goes, right? It's like, oh, I don't know. It's not a relationship. It's not a relationship. I barely know him, so we'll see.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, he just an icon in the 1980s. I mean, he. He does like to take care of children. That's why he raised a child with two other men. So I. I enjoy that. Stevenberg is a hero these days. It was almost exactly a year ago that he famously helped evacuate many people from the Palisades fire. So, like, that is. That is a. If that happens, Shannon's gonna wind up with a hot commodity. And I'll tell you one thing. I have a feeling that Steve Gutenberg eats vegetables. So I hope that works out.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Yeah. So that was. That. But that was a really fun night. A lot of people were there. All the, you know, a lot of the chumpy chumps were there. Ryan Bailey, Le Kendra Tooks, you know, Joey Zaucig, who's very himself. Just like. So how's it going? Happy New Year. Happy New Year. You know? Oh, my God. I don't know. I saw my ex. It's great. I'm not even thinking about it. I don't think about it anymore. I don't even think about it anymore. I don't even think about him anymore. It was a good breakup. It was a good breakup. I mean, the guy just goes on and on about the most personal thing, like, well, good to. Good to see you. I don't even think about it anymore. Like, you're talking about it to a almost stranger at a party. But good for you. I'm glad you're getting over this, buddy.

[Ben Mandelker]

I wish I could have been there. I had a long time previously scheduled board game to play that started at 11 in the morning and ended at 2 in the morning. So, you know, one does not without causing huge ripples. Okay, so that's sexy. Sorry, but I had some spaceships to move around a table for 12 hours. But I honestly, I would have loved to have gone and I Hope that.

[Ronnie Karam]

They had a great time and everybody was really sweet. Jeff was sure to tell me he loves having you on his show without me, which was very kind. He's like, wow, Ben is so much better without you. I was like, okay, thanks. You know, people are asking, was Kelly Dodd there? No, Kelly Dodd was not there. So that saved my lungs.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think actually, I think Kelly, I think she was actually at like Mar a Lago for New Year's.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, well, there's. There's a shocker. So there's that. Oh, so also that show came out this Members Only Palm beach, since we've been speaking, gone. Yeah. People have gone crazy for this show. Have you seen it?

[Ben Mandelker]

So I did not watch it because I took the break to not watch.

[Ronnie Karam]

Board games till 2 in the morning.

[Ben Mandelker]

Did you not hear I was saving the galaxy? I really, I.

[Ronnie Karam]

When.

[Ben Mandelker]

When the trailer dropped in December, I was like, I absolutely need to see this. It looked amazing. And so I do fully want to watch it. I love watching rich older ladies just kavort. So I am totally excited to see it. Originally I was going to propose that we cover it when we get back, but this week Bravo has dropped. We have the Valley coming back. They've dropped the Valley as a two episode premiere and then the Traders is going to premiere on Thursday on the same night as the Valley. And that we have to assume is a three episode premiere because that's how they usually do it. And so we just. Our dance card is full. Like our dance card is actually already full and now we're getting all this stuff. So it really bumps like to dance. I don't even like dance. It really bumps me out because I really want to not only watch the show, but I already know I want to recap it. And I think it's just gonna be at least for this first season. I don't think it's going to be possible. It's just a shame. Like we. There's just so much we could do. Honestly, if I had my druthers, honestly, I would drop. I don't know. I don't know if I drop anything. All these shows are so good. I was gonna say Southern Charm or Beverly Hills, but the truth is that like the shows. I know, I know, but I'm just saying they're so fun to make fun of. Even when you have bad seasons, they're so fun to make fun of.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I did not watch it either because I was reading, oh, it's MAGA this, MAGA that, and I don't. I just Whatever. I don't. I didn't want to make myself mad over the holiday. And we had talked about. He did rivalry a little bit before the holidays. We had Both only watched 20 minutes of it. I liked it. You didn't like it so, so much. I mean, it was only the first 20 minutes. I'm finish. Can I tell you, I watched it. I loved this show. I cried. I loved it. I thought it was beautiful. And I. A lot of it, people are like, oh, it's gay porn. This. I mean, yeah, there's like a lot of that. But it's such a good show. Beyond. I mean, I have the Internet. I don't need the porn on. Like, I'm not like a skin kind of a guy. I have the Internet. I can see penises going in. In butts. But it was such a good show. I just loved this show.

[Ben Mandelker]

I loved it. I. I'll finish watching it. I'll finish. It was just. I watched 20 minutes of it, like, when I had some time, and then I was just like, I wanted more buildup. I enjoy. I enjoy the courtship a little bit more. But that basically be great.

[Ronnie Karam]

There was. It was. The whole thing is a long course. I mean, you know, you know gays, we first. We ask names later. So it was. It was that. So let's get into some. Oh, go ahead.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just want to say some people in the comments seem a little alarmed. They're like, the Valley's coming back already. This is the Valley Persian style. It is basically the Shah's reboot where they've changed out Mike and added in some new folks. So it is just the Valley spin off. So if you think about it, you have the Valley Persian style, which is a spin off of the Valley, which is a spin off of InterPalz, which is a spin off of Beverly Hills, which is a spin off of Real Housewives of Orange County. The. The lineage goes deep.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, it's not a spin off of Orange County.

[Ben Mandelker]

Beverly Hills is. No, Real Housewives of Beverly Hills is a literal spin off of the Real Housewives of Orange County.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's a franchise.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, sure, sure, sure.

[Ronnie Karam]

But it's a spin off of McDonald's.

[Ben Mandelker]

The point is there is a bloodline that goes. That goes from baby Shams now up to Vicky Gun Wilson, which is mostly.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just because they do not want to pay for a new set. Bravo is cheap. Their asses are spending everything. All their money goes to Beverly Hills. They don't have money for any of this other shit. They won't even hire A cleaning crew to go clean. Sir, that restaurant has not been cleaned for two decades. Okay? They are using the same backgrounds, interview sets, and all that stuff for the Valley, so they're saving a little money, so. Good. Oh, by the way, I went to the old pump the other day. It's rooster fish now. And we ho. Yeah, I went out the other night. It's Pump. They didn't take out the trees or anything. They just like, tarted up Trump, which, like, you know, the trees were the nice part and they kept the bar, but they took out a lot of, you know, the really Lisa things. But it was still. It was still pump. I was like, good for you guys. You didn't. You didn't let her sue you to get her olive trees back. Good for you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Well, the big one, obviously was you. You are the headline because the Cult of a Real Housewife, the Mary Cosby Tell All Cult on the classiest channel of all time, Tulsa. Ben was on there, so. No, I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

They always said, don't become the story. Don't become the story.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, you were on there. One of the big controversies of this was that they were taking people's social media stuff and putting it on there without any kind of permission or, you know, a lot of people were really pissed off about that. That. Besties by Caitlyn. Not happy. I think Gibson was not happy. Yeah, people were not happy. How did you feel about being blatantly ripped off? Having your face splashed all over national television without your permission?

[Ben Mandelker]

I literally could not have been happier. I'm not gonna lie. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, guys. I'm sorry. I. I want to have a united front with everyone. I know it's wrong. This is like, the most delightful way to start the new year for me. I'm so sorry. I know, I know. But, like, no network is gonna pay for this content, okay? They're not gonna pay for it.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just don't. I don't care. I don't care. It's like a stupid documentary on tlc. I literally don't care. I think it's like, whatever, you know, I think I would be upset if they used. Used it in a way that totally misrepresented me.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm not.

[Ben Mandelker]

But, like, they don't pay for this shit anyway, right? And like, I was like, for a moment I was like. I said. But I'm like, I forgot we're not on Amazon live. But like, honestly. Yeah. Yes. They may have exploited my vagina. Sure. I just am like, your vagina. Here's why I don't have a leg to stand on. Here's why I don't have a leg stand. I have built a career. We have built a career off of Bravo tv. Okay? And like, and all of a sudden I'm gonna act precious. I can't. Sorry. Other things I'll get mad at.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, we got. We got it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I can't be mad. I don't know. We're part of the leech ecosystem.

[Ronnie Karam]

I got a couple of DMS from our friends who were on it as well, featured against their, you know, wishes or whatever.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And they were like, oh, Ben is going to be pissed when he sees himself. They're. Do you think he's going to be mad? I said, girl, Ben is not going to be mad. I said, ben, this is like a gift. This is like a Hanukkah gift to Ben. So please don't ruin it. Don't. Don't message him. Don't take away his joy. Don't make him mad about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Message me. People message me. And they're like, aren't you upset? And I, I just sort of gave neutral responses because I didn't want to make. I don't want to make them be like. I don't want to trivialize what they were feeling because other people are more upset than I am. And that's fine. You know, other people are like, this is just not like, they, they felt violated. They felt like it wasn't right. It wasn't the kind thing to do, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

And you know what I thought was so funny was they took all these. They took all these accounts, right? They. They took clips from people's tick tocks and stuff. But Then they jacked up the numbers they fit. They lied about their numbers and said like, oh, this person has 4 million followers and they're talking about it. So first of all, how truthful is this TLC documentary? Because there's that you're not even taking the real foot. You're taking the footage and then adding sauce to it so you look more legitimate. It's like these people have like 4,000 and the people were saying it online. They're like, I have 4,000 followers. Why are they saying I have 4 million?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, the funny part was it wasn't even from watch or Craps, actually. If there's anything. I don't know if I got. I honestly, I haven't watched it. I. I feel like one of those Real House. I feel like Jax being like, I haven't watched it. I haven't watched the Valley, but I really haven't watched it because you guys know how much I hate tlc. So I haven't watched it. I don't know if I got. I'm assuming they did not say Ben Mandelker, whatever. But the funny thing is that the footage that they used was when I was guesting on the Elvis Duran show on. On Z100 or I Heart whatever. So it wasn't even crap ins. I was actually. If anything, I'm upset that, that we couldn't promote crap ins on it, you know, but luckily I love the people over at Elvis Duran. And so I was happy that, that that was part of it, but just kind of like bizarre, you know? And I. And the thing that my first thought was this. Here's my first thought. By the way, I love that I'm giving like a behind the scenes BTS and my 3 second clip on a documentary. But then when I went on to the Elvis Duran show, I wore this, like, shirt that was really fun that had like, it's like a corduroy shirt with like depictions of little cabins. And after I went on, my parents, you know, my parents always call with notes.

[Ronnie Karam]

My.

[Ben Mandelker]

My mom was like, so why did you choose that shirt? I was like, because it was fun. And my mom's like, I wouldn't have chosen that. It wasn't. It wasn't a very good shirt for you. It's just not the shirt that you should wear on something like that. Like, it's just, it's not, It's. You shouldn't have worn it. And my very first thought was when they put the documentary footage up was like, my mom's gonna be mad because they got Me in the shirt.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's finally on tv and he's in that shirt. He's in that damn shirt. That's funny.

[Ben Mandelker]

For the record, I love the shirt and I was very happy about it.

[Ronnie Karam]

So the documentarians were saying in an article on the Reporter, Hollywood Reporter, they were saying that the reason they use so many clips is because this story about Mary's temple or whatever, her faith temple or whatever, was already told through social media from the beginning of the show, which is true. I mean, I feel. I felt like we didn't have to watch it because we talked about this as it was happening, as it was coming out online. We had a lot to say about it back then. And by the time it gets on tv, I mean, look, it's like the Epstein list. Everybody's like, oh, my God, the Epstein list. I've been telling you people about the Epstein list for years. And now everybody is like, oh, now the Epstein. What do you think? Before, when I was saying it, it was like a conspiracy and I was a crazy person, and now everybody's going crazy over it and I'm tired. Like, I've already read it all, you know what I mean? And that's how I felt about the Mary documentary. It's not that it's not a big deal. It's that I was already so mad about it back then, and I'm like, oh, well, I guess I like Mary now because she's just stayed on and it's like, to me, she's weathered the storm, but she has not weathered the storm. The storm has just started because not everybody is as obsessed with Reddit and social media gossip as I am, apparently. So this is new news for a lot of people. And they're pissed. There's a lot of pissed off people.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but it's going to. You know what? Like, there's just bigger fish to fry. I think if this had come out maybe a year ago, even two years ago, I think maybe more outrage. They're just bigger. Just bigger, Bigger in the world to worry about stuff that's, like, scary bigger and scarier. I mean, like, literally our country just abducted the president of another country, and so we're going to really devote time to Mary Cosby. It just seems like there's just bigger things to be worried about and scared about. So I think this is just going to blow over, you know? And, like, also, like you said, this is old news for all of us, you know? Yeah, newbies or casual watchers. It is. But, like, I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

I Mean, it's not good. I'll tell you, a lot of it's not good. Some of the biggest revelations to me were just the lies that Mary was kind of caught in on the show. Because on the show, Mary says that she. The reason she married her. Her grandpa, her step grandpa. Guys, it's not gross, okay? The reason she married her step grandpa is because her grandmother willed it. Basically, she said in her will or whatever that she wanted Mary to marry the husband and take over the church, and that's just not true. Mary was actually married at the time to somebody else, which I don't think I knew the timeline of all this back then, but Mary was married to somebody else. And then the husband, Robert Sr. Took over the church after the grandmother died, and that he became closer with Mary, bought her a BMW, and then basically started to kind of, I guess, groom her to bring her in, and then started telling everybody that God was willing him to marry Mary. And so they got married and took over this church. But that kind of contradicts everything that Mary said about it. What else in here do you love that? That's the most offensive.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm about to say. This really. This really just makes the Ashley and Cherie son thing just seems like a fun walk in the park.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, that's only like 10 years apart, and they're not related. And even in a step way, why is there a little flying here? Get the hell out of here. So then, let's see what else happened in here. I'm taking this from the Daily Beast, who did a pretty good article summing up this stuff. Then they went over the walkout. The mom, you know, had a fit that she didn't get it. She ended up suing over forged documents. There was a lot of allegations. There were a lot of allegations of forged documents that they were saying, you know, mama willed this and Mama willed that, and Mama wanted her money to go here. And basically those were found to be falsified. And she, the Mary's mother, won a $1.2 million settlement, which is pretty good. And then she forced. She had a big walkout where the. Mary talked about this a little bit recently. There was a walkout. The mom made a big stink at church. She took half the church with her. Mary kept half the church. The people that stayed in Mary's side of the church were forbidden from ever speaking to the people that her mother took. And to the point where one of the. One of the mothers in that congregation passed away, and her own daughter, who stayed at this church was not allowed to go into that church. I mean, so none of it's good. The stuff with Cameron, not good. Apparently he said he claimed to have had an affair with Mary. Cameron's the guy we saw on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City who died of a brain tumor after. But apparently he claimed they had an affair and that she was giving him, like $2,500 shoes. And, you know, he felt very brainwashed and he had to, you know, get rid of his house to give the church money. And I don't know. None of it's good, that's for sure, but it's all kind of old.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that's. That's my feeling. And someone brings up this point, didn't Morgan Freeman date his step granddaughter from his ex wife? There was something like that. There was some. Morgan Freeman did do something odd like that. Yeah. It just feels old. And it feels like the only reason why they did this documentary is because Mary became popular. Because this. I feel like all this stuff was just floating around several years ago, and at that time, people were busy making documentaries about Jen Shaw because Jen Shaw took up all the air in the room. And what's funny is that, like, if you go back to season two of Real House versus Salt Lake City, it's as much about Jen Shaw and her legal issues as it is about. Does. Is Mary. Does Mary have a cult? Like, a big part of that season was questioning Mary and. And everything going on over there. So it just felt like there was like a moment where people were like, what should we exploit? We can exploit Mary's cult. We can exploit Whitney's vagina, or we can exploit Jen Shaw. And they went, Jen Shaw. And now they're circling back because Mary's popular. And I just feel like. I'm not saying, oh, this is good, but we were all thought like, we're all like, I guess we all just. We already had our outrage. I. I just don't feel like I can be outraged again. I feel like it's over. The scab has healed over.

[Ronnie Karam]

The outrage has moved to other things. And I think that it's. You know, I. I read a lot of outrage, but it seems temporary. I think that you're right that it's going to kind of blow over. Does it deserve to? I don't know. I'm not really saying it's not a big deal. I think it's horrible. I think a lot of this stuff is horrible. And I think the way a lot of churches prey on their members was terrible, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

But at the same time, you know, people try and compare it to Jen Shaw and stuff like that. I'm like, nah, you know, Jen Shaw was, like, going after the most vulnerable people and promising them things and take. I mean, I guess you could say that Mary was doing that, but I don't know. Look, look, I'm getting tired even talking about it, so I think it's over for me. Yeah. Unless they bring it up on Housewives.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, if they bring it up and then, sure, we'll take a stance, more of a dance. But, like, when an outsider like TLC comes in, then I'm like, I'm gonna circle my wagons, my pioneer wagons, because it's a sisterhood.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's the Too late channel. Okay. Because you're too late.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's the. It's the president of TLC. Is JoJo singing? It's just a little too late. A little too late.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Okay. So what do you want to talk about today?

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, well, here's some let's. You know, let's talk about one of the most compelling people in the world of Bravo, Kyle Richards. Two things hit the news news headlines this week. First is that Kyle has moved to Tennessee.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, the shocker.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Yeah. So actually, this is great news because she sold her Encino house. And I could not be happier because as people know, I hate that house. I'm so glad. That house with its stupid tall, suffocating hedges around the. Around the driveway. And it's generic, like, white pillared facade. I don't even know what style of house it is. Just so generic.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she did it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I feel like I read that. That she sold it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my gosh. It says, so she's moving there for good.

[Ben Mandelker]

Let me read the official. This, this one. This is from Bravo's own website, because I read in a different one that she sold it. Maybe that wasn't. Maybe that was incorrect. Maybe it's just a fever dream, a wish for me. So I just love real estate. Kyle confessed in an exclusive interview with the Daily Dish. Kyle is the one. I love her generic statements. I love shopping. I love real estate. She's just like a bot. So she bought just like this place.

[Ronnie Karam]

Dashes like, wait a minute.

[Ben Mandelker]

I generally am very passionate about it. And calling real estate one of her favorite things since she and Mauricio, founder of the agency, luxury real estate brokerage, announced their split. So suddenly, she loves real estate out of nowhere. So she says, this is something that I'm doing. It's my investment. Because even now, Mauricio will share things like, oh, I'm making an investment in these investments. And I'm like, what can I do on my own that I can feel good about? And I've always been good at real estate, you know, has she? And I've chosen the majority of our homes and I've always. It's always worked out well for me, business wise, except for when I choose a home and then it gets burgled. So I just love that Kyle is still just taking other people's passions. This one says this would be the second home cause bought on her own. One's in California, one's in Tennessee. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

She said she didn't sell her house. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Was, was, was poorly referenced.

[Ronnie Karam]

But.

[Ben Mandelker]

But she did. At the very least, she did buy a new home in Tennessee. So the other thing was a little bit more alarming because it, like, it's like if you sold your house in Encino and you bought a house in Tennessee, it's like, what's going on with that? But it looks like it's just a second property and I'm sure there'll be a cash trip there next season on Beverly Hills if we are so blessed. The other piece of news from the Kyle Richards front is that Shimuricio went to a New Year's Eve bash and were very touchy and warm and very obviously, quote unquote together, according to Page Six. So. How about that?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I mean, that's kind of what I figured was going to happen was she was going to end up back with Mo and this other thing was either a phase or I don't know. I don't know what it was. But buying a house in Tennessee, doesn't that mean you're going to be with Morgan? I think Kyle's just with people now. She's like, I bought a house in Tennessee, but I'm still all over mo know options. Who knows?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's. It's too much. I also, I just want to say something. When I was reading this article, she referenced mo and it's spelled M A U. I think we need to normalize. When we refer to Mauricio as. As mo, we just call it mo because that's not M au is moi. Like, it's. I'm sorry, if you. I understand the whole. The large word is Mauricio, M A U, R, I C I O. But it's like, you know, it's just, it's. When you say mo, it's spelled mo. I'm just gonna say it right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

New role or Ma or maux. But I cannot do MAU and say mo. It's just my brain will not allow it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I mean, you know, all this Kyle news happening at the same time. The Mary Cosby stuff happened, and it came out all during a holiday. And it's just like, I don't care. You know what I mean? I think that's the time where you're supposed to release news that people don't care about. So I love that. Kyle's huge news. And this other news, it came out in the don't care period of life. I just don't care. But it's Kyle, you know? I mean, God bless her, God help her. So God, just gotta do something with Kyle. Do something make Kyle better. God. So some other stuff happened.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait, I just have to say, after my little rant, someone says, ben gets a little TV fame and is making all the rules now.

[Ronnie Karam]

You'Re famous. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial. So some other stuff happened over the holidays. Rich people got stuck in places. Okay. St. Barth's huge stockage. There's a lot of stockage happening there. Okay. Shep, namely Shep, got stuck with a lot of other people who are probably horrified to be stuck with Shep. And I felt really bad for them.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So I. I didn't read the fine details. I have to assume that because of the situation with Venezuela, like, air traffic around the Caribbean was maybe paused a bit. So that way, because who knows what might happen. So as a result, people were stranded in the various Caribbean islands. They went to over break. So Melissa Gorga is stuck in Aruba. Shep is stuck in Saint parts. He took a video at Nikki beach and he was like, gosh, I'm stuck in Saint parts. Look at this. I guess there's worse place to be stuck. And he like pans around and Giselle is there on, like in the shot with her daughters. And I just. And he doesn't even say, like, oh, she's the nice lady from my network. He just keeps on banning by. And everyone's like, Giselle was there. That was Giselle?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Doesn't even notice. Doesn't know who she is.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, he also got stuck with Tinks from Sirius. And she went up to him to say hi and he posted on his story. Well, of course, I was in a bathroom line with this girl with this gal chatting it up. And two girl ran up and asked for her picture. And I was like, who is this? And maybe I was Bizarrely jealous laughing face. She's Tinks and she writes, so I'm impressed. And it's a picture posing with Tinks. Here's the, here's the picture. And she wrote. She reposted this and wrote. Then he asked me, how many followers do you have anyway? And that's how I met Shep.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I'm just sad that Shep was stranded on St. Bart's instead of Bahamas because then he could have spent some real good quality time with Sienna and her perfect little lips. Oh God, I'm sorry. Perfect freckled little lips.

[Ronnie Karam]

So as you mentioned, Melissa Gorgo was stranded in Aruba. And this is even better because there were no rebooking options for weeks. So good luck, Aruba. You're going to be eating some dry ass cookies.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's really funny. It's also hilarious because we, I think it was about like a year ago we actually did an ad for Aruba. I'm imagining people like, you know, I heard that ad on Watch a Crap and Ben and Ronnie were saying a lot of warm things about Aruba. I think this is the year we finally go. And now they're stuck there with Maleficent.

[Ronnie Karam]

We. How many people did we get stuck there? So Monica came out with a post this week.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I don't wanna. I know Monica. But since we're on the topic of celebrities having gone to same same Barts etc and getting stuck there, there was one celebrity who went to Saint Barts who did get stuck there. And she emerged with a bit of an issue. Bethany Frankel. And contracted a face infection after partying in St. Barts.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I've only ever been once.

[Ben Mandelker]

I've been to St. Bart's dozens of times off season. I booked it to bring my daughter because we went once before. We liked the food, the beaches, the shopping. This time it hit different. So every day you'd go to either.

[Ronnie Karam]

A beach or a beach club at.

[Ben Mandelker]

A hotel and it would be the Hunger Games of fashion and money. And no one is just dressed casually. I Bethany acting like she is part of the old money establishment that was there before the other Bethany's arrived. Bethany, you are the Hunger Games.

[Ronnie Karam]

You, you're literally hungry.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're literally hungry. She. So she's on there, she's talking like, oh my God. Like, oh my God, Hunger Games. It's like people came here. It's like, it's like crazy. It's like so many people came down to Saint parts. I'm like, yeah, because as people like you are going there and you're being like, oh, my God, I'm in St. Barts, I'm in St. Bars. How do you think the people like in St. Bart's liked it when you showed up with camera crews? Okay, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, you know, the original people who complained, that loser is starting to come to St. Bart's when you started to come. That's. That's. Those are the f. There wasn't Tik Tok then, okay? There was like Facebook stories or whatever the. It was. It was them. It was those people. Like, this lady won't stop going into. Into restaurants and giving reviews on their chicken salad that nobody asked for.

[Ben Mandelker]

I volunteer not in tribute for this, but anyway, so she went to. To. To St. Bart's and then she posts on TikTok POV. You left St. Paul's three days early and brought home a bacterial infection. And her face has a bacterial. She is just full of bacterial infection on her face. And it's just like, I'm just so impressed how she's able to just step on so many rakes in her life. She's always something with Bethany.

[Ronnie Karam]

I saw her posting the other day, something about like, oh, you know, I. I was there. I was there, you know, like we were trying to enjoy ourselves, but it's like the Hunger Games, you know, like, trying to go anywhere. Like social invitations. It's like this. This whole powerful thing, like parties, this, that who's invited to here, who's invited to that. But you know what I had to realize at the end of the day, it's like, who you there with? It's like, love the one you're with, you know, and I'm with my daughter, and I love my daughter. And I was like, what a nice post to say you're pissed that you weren't invited anywhere in St. Martha. Like, what a sad post to say I couldn't get into any fucking party that I wanted to go to.

[Ben Mandelker]

Fuck this place. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

When you're making a post about your daughter on New Year's Day, like, oh, wow, really glad I got to spend time with this little brat instead of all of the rich people I came here to hobnob with. Yay me. Anybody want to see Wicked for good again?

[Ben Mandelker]

I just love the. The woman who started the Be Strong disaster relief initiative to help help countries that are, like, strict stricken by natural disaster and other things, specifically, you know, Puerto Rico and hurricanes, whatever. Then also going to Saint Barts and complaining about, like, people like, you know, flooding Nikki Beach.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's just like, this is a crisis.

[Ben Mandelker]

The perspective is amazing. And so Andy Cohen went on his show this morning. He was talking with John and he was. He. Andy Cohen was like, oh, so. So I went on to Tick Tock, which I never do.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, man.

[Ben Mandelker]

And the first thing I saw was the Margarita Lady. And wow, Just suffocating it so much. And so, of course, it was hilarious that he won't even call Bethany. Bethany by name. He calls her the Margarita Lady. And he says. He also says that she doesn't show up on his Instagram algorithm, so he never sees her. So like, when he went on to Tick Tock, I guess the first time he'd seen her content in a while, which was also like. There was like layers of shade in that, which is like Andy Cohen somehow, like, she's not important enough that the algorithm serves her to him or he doesn't see it. Like, it was all. It was all pretty hilarious. But that was the big takeaway, was that he will not refer to her as Bethany. And for those wondering if the status of their relationship. It sounds like it's still not healed.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah. No, not healed. Margarita Lady. Something else. Not healed. Monica Garcia from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City still piping up wherever she can. She goes on Carlos King often to talk about Salt Lake City. She posted on her TikTok a video of her dancing, which, I mean, you do you. And it says, you guys stay believing the wrong ones. Six exclamation points. It's always the one projecting the most. And that's on people thinking, I can't keep Real Housewives of Salt Lake City out of my damn mouth. I haven't said shit. Trust. But it's a new year. Let's see what happens. And the post says when everyone wants to accuse Meredith of being an alcoholic, but she wasn't the one that was taken away in an ambulance silence to the ER for alcohol poisoning and demanded the footage never be shown and cast stay locked in their rooms while she got wheeled away to get her stomach pumped. Allegedly. So everyone's like, who is this? Oh my God, it's Heather. Who else would it be?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, you think else?

[Ronnie Karam]

Heather's the one who pooped on herself and peed on herself and barfed on herself. We all saw it in that Palm Springs best. Like, who else could it be?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she was really drunk that season. Really, really. Well, at least especially in Palm Springs. That one night for sure.

[Ronnie Karam]

And the black eye night with Jen Shaw. The ways, dude. So, I mean, listen, I'm not against anybody getting their stomach pumped, but I am against the hypocrisy of that storyline. And sometimes, you know, it takes a non hero to be a hero. So at least somebody is saying it because that's. That storyline's making me crazy. You're all drunk. You peed and barfed on yourself on tv. You do not get to call people a drunk. Drunk. Whitney, you were falling off the stage of Bravo Con. You don't get to either.

[Ben Mandelker]

I. But I also don't know what Monica's really trying to do here. Like, like, people. People get too drunk all the time without being alcoholics and they get their stomachs pumped. I don't know. Like, I don't see when she's like, someone. She went, she had alcohol poisoning. I'm like, that happens to a lot of people now. I mean, I think it's. Yeah, I think after you're like, 24, it's. It's weird that it happens. Yeah. Is it weird? I started to brown with myself. I'm like, nodding my head. Like, is it weird? It's weird. But like, I don't know. I don't know. Like, for some reason, I guess you're saying, like, don't. Don't throw rocks in a. In a glass house, in a glass med spa.

[Ronnie Karam]

Don't throw olives when you live in a Tito's bottle. That's what she's saying. And I agree with that. You know, it's the hypocrisy. But, you know, I just think it's funny because it's been a week of people being like, who could she be talking about? Who do you think? Come on, people. Do you watch the show also? Monica off the show, Heather. I mean, Monica's gonna come for Heather for the rest of her life, you know? Yeah. Do I care that Heather's a drunk? No, it's you calling other people a drunk. So let's.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know who else may have some issues with substances? Grace Lilly. Grace Lilly was arrested over the break. Now, notably, Grace Lilly was not a Bravocon. And when we asked some people, some of the cast members, whereas Grace Lilly, they just sort of hedged and were like, oh, they sort of did that. So I don't know. Is Grace Lilly not coming back to Southern House?

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't think so. Because Bradley from Southern Charm went, oh, hey, hey. Yeah, yeah, I've heard your show before. Oh, but your girl Grace Lilly.

[Ben Mandelker]

I.

[Ronnie Karam]

Said, what does that mean? He said, I'm not saying anything. I thought. I don't Care. I know she's a mess. I still love her. And he was like, yeah, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean she was barely on the show this past season and it seemed like she didn't really have strong relationships with anyone. And she really, she shown brightest the first season and then she's sort like she's just not. I think she did this, the saucy thing originally of where she was. She was working at the restaurant and then she stepped away because she thought she was a star and. Yeah, so she was. She was pulled over at a traffic stop at Circle K. I mean already if you're pulled over at Circle K, it's just rough, you know. And she had, I think it was. Was it pills? Yeah, she had a container that said happy pills written on top. I mean also like could you be subtle happen in cartoons. It's like she has a thing that says TNT on it.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's. She's like rolling around a big barrel that says acme.

[Ben Mandelker]

She has a bottle that says xxx.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah. So she was charged with second degree harassment at a Circle K at Mount Pleasant, which is so funny to be arrested in a place called Mount Pleasant. It's so cute. She was arrested. Well, she was stopped for an illegal lane change and possible wanted party and it was dropped by the Ravenel Bridge, which is hilarious as well.

[Ben Mandelker]

Traffic cameras flagged a vehicle near the Ravenel Bridge, which I don't know. I would not be surprised if those traffic cameras were just Thomas sitting at his plantation like doing a sliver thing with that bridge. Like, hey, there's a pretty wife. I'll take her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Pull her over.

[Ben Mandelker]

Pull her over.

[Ronnie Karam]

But don't you think it's also hypocritical? Are you even a lot? Should you even be allowed to be pulled over for drug use next to the Ravenel Bridge? I mean, isn't that bridge built from cocaine?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's built on a lot of bad things, I'll tell you that much. But yeah, the apparently was Xanax.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, bad. Oh well that's great. Everybody should be have that. I don't think you should be in trouble for birth control.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, oh, someone in the comment says that she was arrested for possession of crack back in 2016.

[Ronnie Karam]

Crack.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know the, I don't know the veracity of that. But yeah, Grace Elite seems like it's a troubled path for her. I feel like she's not going to be on the next season and maybe like she's now in the next chapter of post reality stardom. And then other News. Real Housewives of Potomac is in Colorado on. Currently on the show. And the big thing that happened last night was that they were went to Angel's house, quote unquote house, which wasn't her house at all, and they had to stay at this cabin. Well, in the wake of this, some people remembered that there's footage over from over the summer of the Potomac cast being caught at the Four Seasons. So of Denver. So what do you think this is, Ronnie? Do you think they actually stayed in that cabin or do you think it was. They say that the Four Seasons Denver. Or maybe it was once the cash trip wrapped up, they went to the Four Seasons of Denver. Because I'm looking at the video now. They're all there. The whole cast is there. It's dated July 18th. We know that this trip is happening in July.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, so they all ditched the house. That would be good. That would be funny. Because angel, maybe they too much with that whole house.

[Ben Mandelker]

Maybe they pretend. Maybe they didn't sleep in that house. That's sort of like Melissa Gorga, how she didn't sleep in the house for White Swap.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, so you think they were just faking it and just acting mad but staying there? I don't know. That seems like so much work to like.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like a far away one in Denver too. I think this is probably. I mean, my guess is that after the cat, after the trip was done, they then went down to Denver and had like a nice night in the Four Seasons.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Because isn't this near the end of the season?

[Ben Mandelker]

Is it?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I think the season's close to being.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think it's gonna end on vacation. I think the season will end on vacation.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So maybe they just had a nice ending vacation. I don't know. Because I figure if it was on the show, they would have hinted to it. It's not like they're huge secret keepers.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

In the previews, you know, But I don't know. I have to say, this goes. I don't. I don't. I don't know. But I think it would be funny if they ditched Angel's house. I was about to say I don't care, but I'm trying to stop saying I don't care as much in 2026. Not to you, just in general.

[Ben Mandelker]

You say, I don't know. You say, I don't know and I care.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know. And I'm really trying to care. Does that work? So here's something I do care about. Heather Dubrow one of the biggest breadcrumbs. Heather Dubrow sparks rumors of crossover to Beverly Hills with Diamond post. As husband Terry and fans react. She posted with herself in a really terrible outfit that would not pass on Beverly Hills and says, excited for the new year, what the new year may bring. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. LFG 2026. And so people are like, oh, my God, is Heather moving to wherever? And then her husband Terry commented, diamonds are forever. And she said, love you, honey. I heart, heart.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm gonna say this is a tease. I don't think Heather's going to Beverly Hills. I think, I think she wants to. I think she likes toying with this rumor. I think this is really fun, but for her. But I think that, like, ultimately, I don't know, she's got OC Stink on her. And I think that, that, that, that Bravo views the Beverly Hills as like, their most, like, prestigious franchise. That's, like, very fancy. And even though she's really wealthy and everything, I don't know. That being said, like, yeah, I don't know. I, I, I don't know how she fits in with the people at Beverly Hills. Maybe she would be great on it. I think that she would try to do like Beverly Hills cosplay, but eventually her Heather to broness would come out and then Kyle would be like, wow, she was really intense.

[Ronnie Karam]

Right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, that's kind of weird. She's kind of weird that Heather to bro. And I think Kyle would treat her as like a try hard. Hard could be a really interesting dynamic.

[Ronnie Karam]

But it could be because, you know, on OC she acts like she's. Everyone treats her like, oh, my God, she's a goddess because she's got so much money. And they kind of defer to her because she's got all the money. And I think on Beverly Hills they would treat her like the poor one, which I would love. Yeah, I think they would.

[Ben Mandelker]

Even though she's actually, like, totally. You know, I think she's not.

[Ronnie Karam]

Because of money with everyone. Yeah, not because of money, but because she's like the girl from the O.C. yeah. Right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, like the. Exactly. Like, she basically came from the new. From some other school and joined those news. She's like, new at the private school.

[Ronnie Karam]

Right.

[Ben Mandelker]

And they're like, they would look down, like, I don't.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's not actually poor, especially compared to, like, Dorit and Erica and people like that. So it's not like she's really poor. But they would treat her like the poor kid. They'd be like, oh, wow, nice. Fendi. Where'd you get that? They let you into the store.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, you live next to Drake. Oh, well, Drake follows some of us, so that's. That's nice, but I know him. We are good friends. Let me into the circle, please. Let me be the one. I can be part of you. Please.

[Ronnie Karam]

Drake's over. Drake's over.

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

As real this is. This is from reality blurb. As OC fans may have heard, Heather has been facing rumors of a potential exit in recent weeks. Especially after Crystal Kung Minkoff claimed on her podcast Humble Brag with Cynthia and Crystal that a cast member had been replaced by Vicky, who's returned was confirmed at BravoCon. So I guess Crystal said that she took someone else's orange and. Well, they. I just don't see that being Heather.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, people were. People thought. I thought originally it was that it was what's her face? Why am I blanking on her name? You know, Katie Haiti, Janela.

[Ronnie Karam]

But oh, yeah, she's out.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is she officially out?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah, she's out.

[Ben Mandelker]

Out. Yeah, she's officially out. Right?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Katie Janela. Crappin's listener like to add, but we met her. Did we ever say that we met her at BravoCon? That we saw her in the Four Seasons and she was like, you guys are so funny. And she was a. She's a fan. But alas, she's also now no longer.

[Ronnie Karam]

With us on the comments are saying, please let it be Emily. Please let it be Emily.

[Ben Mandelker]

They are never going to get rid of Emily and Gina. I'm telling you this. They will not get rid of them.

[Ronnie Karam]

Maybe Emily. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. Okay, we need to get over to talk to some people for the talking to you portion of the show. For everybody listening to this on audio. We're going to end this now and we'll be back in two weeks with more headlines for you. Everybody who's with us on YouTube, stick around and we'll have you on to talk. We love you guys. We'll talk to you soon. Bye.

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