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Brandi
All.
Ronnie
There's so much that happens. Hi, everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that. Let's get right back into the episode.
Brandi
So then they go back to the villa and Angie is like, be ready in an hour. Dress chic. We're going to a play.
Ronnie
So at the Tomato center, we're going.
Brandi
To a place, the Tomato Museum.
Ronnie
Angie is like, she's saying that there's a lot of issues in the group and she's hoping that by seeing how an outsider perceives them, it'll be an eye opener. I'm like, well, it's an outsider, but basically you fed her lines and then she's just going to regurgitate the lines. Because let me tell you something, there's no plot in this play. We're about to see. It's just. She's just spitting out the things that you guys say. So Heather's. Yeah, well, I think Bronwyn stories are like, one foot in the bullshit bin. Had one fit on a banana. One foot on a banana peel. That's a callback. But clearly this Exchange occurred at 2:30am which makes me think Meredith is a sneaky, sneaky friend. Did anyone else on the show ever have something that happened after. After 2:30 in the morning when.
Brandi
When also, it's sneaky because the conversation happened in the middle of the night. Okay. Because you had the same conversation, but it was in the daytime, so it was okay, I guess. You were asking about lunch.
Ronnie
I was just saying she's just upset that no one emerged with the black eye from it, that's all.
Brandi
Yeah, no one had a black eye to blame production on. So must be sneaky.
Ronnie
So Whitney is like, wow, heading into the play tonight, knowing everything that I've said to Stella and imagining what everyone else has said to Stella. Are we ready to deal with it?
Brandi
I don't know. I can guarantee you Stella ignored your ass just like everybody else does, Whitney. So Lisa's like, you know what? I know who I am. They can think whatever. Which is why I will always love Lisa Barlow, because she's like, whatever, I look hot.
Ronnie
Yeah, well, she says that until she gets massively affected. So Angie's like, so they. They go. They get in the sprinter van, they go to the tomato museum. And Mary's like, it's like a haunted house. So they wind up, like, in this outdoor area, which is semi public because definitely in the middle of the scene, while they were crying, there were definitely people walking around in the background. So there's like a little buffet that's set up. Brittany's like, well, I'm a lush, so I'll just go straight for the wine. Right? Alky, lush. You guys want to fight about me again? That was fun.
Brandi
Mary's like, does anyone feel suspicious?
Ronnie
Suspicious angel.
Brandi
That's like a creepy cobblestoned yard.
Ronnie
She's like, what knocks out?
Brandi
So she's like, I don't like any of this. We're dressed very nice. This does not seem luxurious. Well, for someone to write a play about your life, you want to dress up for it. Mary.
Ronnie
It's just so funny that Mary is the one going into this who's, like, the most like, I don't want to do this. I don't like any of this. This is terrible. But then when the play starts she's the one smiling the entire time. She's the one who's acting like she's seeing, like. Like her child's play in school. She's just smiling. Everyone's, like, crying and, like, wiping tears away and covering the shock on their faces. And she's just sitting there smiling like, this is a good play.
Brandi
Yeah. Because everyone else gets dissed except for Mary, you know, she loves that. It's like, that's why she's been so pleasant this whole season, because no one's come for Mary, you know? So Whitney's like, well, what would be your biggest fear to happen tonight? And Mary's like, I don't have fear. She goes, mine would be for the person playing me to have bad hair.
Ronnie
So Heather's like, well, after talking to Stella and giving her a shady description of all my friends, I'm pretty sure this play is going to be a Greek tragedy.
Brandi
Oh, God.
Ronnie
Okay. It's a good thing the season's wrapping up because she's running out. She's running out of fuel over there.
Brandi
So Angie is like, I'm gonna give you each. These are called manilas. Okay. They're folders that you put papers in, but put them on your head instead. But they're like scarves and stuff to put on your head. And they all have different colors indicating their character. And Heather's like, mine is slightly small for my giant head, so I'm gonna Winnie the Pooh it.
Ronnie
No, it doesn't work that way. So they all. They all put these things on. And now the play begins. So Stella herself is in the play. No one told me she was an actor. Writer. Hello, Stella. How she got her groove back. Indeed. So she walks out with a. With a troop. And it's basically the women in flowy dresses. And they do have some sort of, like, scarf that's like color coordinated to the women in the audience. And this lady comes out and she's narrating, so she's this lady who looks sort of like Piper from White Lotus. She's like, behold the daughters. Eight born of one house each. Born beautiful, brilliant, brutal in her own right. They call themselves the Sisters of Salt. The world saw elegance. I'm like, maybe we'll rewrite real quickly.
Brandi
What the world did not see was the war. It began like so many battles did. Undercooked pasta at an extremely overpriced restaurant. With something whispered.
Ronnie
It began like so many wars, with someone offering a machine made cappuccino.
Brandi
Someone said something. Maybe it was someone. Maybe it was Everyone. But something was said. It's like, I don't know. I'm gonna need some more work on this play. I don't know where y' all found this, Stella, but this is a little on the nose. Okay, can we make it more like, could we get Andrew Lloyd Webber in here? I mean, I want to see them, like, crawling around singing, like, songs and stuff.
Ronnie
I'm concerned about this act one break. It just feels a little unsteady, like, I don't know. We need to really just, like, the stakes are just not high enough for me. It needs to be more grounded.
Brandi
I need more in the first 20 pages.
Ronnie
We need some character development. The inciting incident is just really not strong enough. Okay? We need to be really clear about what started this war. Okay, from the top.
Brandi
But gossip in this family grows like mold. Lisa, one of the eldest, and then it cuts to Whitney. It cuts to Whitney going, he was called the eldest.
Ronnie
She summoned him to a family's supper. She offered them a challenge dressed as peace. I want us to go around the table one by one and reveal one honest thing about the sister next to you. No interruptions, no lies. Real without masks. Heather the deflector laughs loudly, mocking the plan. Mary rises and turns to address her sister Heather. Heather, you're a joke wrapped in mascara. I'm like, wow. I really feel like I'm transformed to ancient Greece with that mascara line. That was really great.
Brandi
I wish they just used real lines like, heather, why would you wear that necklace? This does not work at all for you. Heather, you are inbred.
Ronnie
Heather, what did you say about me on TikTok? I don't know. They must have had it in ancient Greece. I'm just trying to be honest. Source.
Brandi
You act like nothing touches you, but everything does. And you laugh because crying would make you real. You hide behind your humor like it is armor, laughing loud enough to drown out the things you say. And Heather's like.
Ronnie
She's like, that's hilarious. So we see that it was Mary who basically told Stella, like, yeah, she does. She doesn't communicate her real feelings in case she.
Brandi
And.
Ronnie
And so now Stella's like, but behind every joke is a shadow, a demon you're too scared to say out loud. And the demon's name is Vecna. Sorry. I just watched the finale. It was really good. Really good. Really good. So then we see a flashback to, like, Heather being. Her walls are up, and she's talking about, like. Like, when they ask her about, like, did she go on a date? When was the last time she went on a date, she's like, what ha?
Brandi
What?
Ronnie
Dating? So she's a deflector because she doesn't want to talk about her personal life.
Brandi
Yeah. And then Heather turns to face her sister Bronwyn. Brown wing, you're not two faced.
Ronnie
You are no faced. I feel like that's a compliment on the Real Housewives.
Brandi
Oh, my God, Aren't we all going there? Gretchen Rossi would have taken that as a compliment.
Ronnie
I know that's what everyone's aiming for. That, like, yes, I botox my face off my face.
Brandi
Bronwyn. Oh, and Lisa is saying to Stella in the flashback, Bronwyn, she has, like, one face she lets everyone see, and the other one she hides. You want to be trusted, but you treat loyalty like a party favor. Cheap and easy to toss. Easier than a Whitney to toss.
Ronnie
What party is Estella been going to? She's like, honestly, that was more of a criticism to my friend Andromedes. She really gets bad party favors. Just clearly from 99 Cents Store.
Brandi
Like, why? I went to a New Year's party at my friend Michael's house and he gave us, like, the little blowy things for New Year's where you're like, new Year's thing unfurls. You know, you blow into it. And I picked it up to blow into it. It was chewed on. And I was like, okay, maybe this is like a fluke. So I picked up another one. It was also chewed on. I said, we're starting the year on pre chewed blowy things.
Ronnie
What is this?
Brandi
What kind of party is this?
Ronnie
Turns out you're just picking up dog bones. You just didn't realize. You're like, whoa, those mushrooms. By the way, I have to say, as long as we're talking about sisters, I just got the loveliest email we, Ron and I are figuring out accounts, etcetera, as we set up with acast. And I just got an email that said, ben Mandel Kerr, you have been added to Ronnie Caram. Isn't that so lovely? I'm added to you, Ronnie.
Brandi
You were added to me a long time ago, Ben, telling Stella about this.
Ronnie
I've been added to Ronnie Caram.
Brandi
Oh, I just got one. Hold on. Ronnie, you just gained 170 pounds. God damn it.
Ronnie
Thank you, thank you. Thank you for giving me. Thank you for taking £30 off of me.
Brandi
I'm a whole other person now. Okay, so she's still talking about Bronwyn. You collect secrets like trinkets, trading them between sisters under the guise of concern. But Always leaving damage in her wake. Bronwyn turns to Mary, who's still loving this. She's cracking up.
Ronnie
Mary's like, this is like the heartwarming play of the year. She's like, seeing the Sisters Rosensweg over there.
Brandi
Oh, yeah, that was a real heartwarming one. Wasn't that a really depressing show?
Ronnie
Probably. I saw it in eighth grade. My parents took me to it, and I was like, michael Lerner, you are hilarious. So then Bronwyn turns to. Bronwyn turns to her sister Lisa. Lisa, you are wealth like a shield. You carry yourself like a queen among servants. You know, she's like, thank you. Thank you. Finally, a good moment. And then finally somebody sees me in this group. It's so good to get the hero at it. Stella's like, speaking to our sisters not as equals, but as omen forever beneath your marble pedestal. Thank you. I did just get that marble in the living room. It took a while, but we got it. Looks great. Thank you so much.
Brandi
And of course, this talker was Heather. So a lot of these are Heather, right? Let me see. I'm looking back here.
Ronnie
I mean, I assume that they all talk shit about everyone and they just gave each sister some sort of.
Brandi
Yeah, this was Heather being like, she thinks she's elite. Like, she's better and cooler and richer than us. I mean, so then. Then we go to Estella saying, if you. Only you are capable of apology, able to say, I was wrong, but that would mean being lesser. And humility is the only thing you can never afford. Wait a minute. Is that, like, a new brand?
Ronnie
Oh, my God.
Brandi
Where do I even get that I can afford it.
Ronnie
Get something by humility. Okay. Tell someone. I want to be on the list for humility. Thank you.
Brandi
Lisa turns to her sister Angie. Angie, daggers lie beneath your tongue. Actually, it is a piece of plate.
Ronnie
Really, really rough situation with that tray. So we see that Bronwyn said that, like, when Angie loves you, she loves you, but when she doesn't, she doesn't. So voice, sharp, slicing. And then we see a flashback to Angie being like, you look like you've been in a wind tunnel. So Stella goes. So foolish in your thirst to be the best. AKA center, center. Snowflake, let's be honest that you're left alone with nothing but the echo of the damage you caused. Angie turns to her sister Brittany. Brittany, when you speak, your words sound like childish noise. It's like Britney being like.
Brandi
This customary cracking up. This is so funny. It was so good that that's the the one thing they had to tell Britney, Britney just looks like, what the hell? And everybody else is kind of like.
Ronnie
You are loved.
Brandi
You cling to attention of men like your lifeline. So consumed by a man's attention that you barely notice your children fading quietly into the background. Brittany's checking your texts like, oh, you saw some text at me commercials. Here comes one right now.
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Brandi
And we see, see, Mary gets off so easy. Like, that's the nice thing.
Ronnie
You got a repeat of Angie's.
Brandi
Yeah, like, wow, you. You tell the truth a lot, damn it. And Brittany's the only person to talk shit about Mary. At least in the flashback. She said, yeah, like I really want to love her, but like I. And your words often sting despite your conviction. And we see clips of Mary through the season being like, you're not a good friend. Go jump in the ocean. I think you're boring. I think you're boring.
Ronnie
Meredith, you must learn that even in the righteous, the righteous must bend. For without forgiveness, your conviction becomes a cage. Mary turns to her sister Whitney. I'm like, can we move ahead? Can we move this like second? This is going a little long here. Whitney, we feel compelled to dismiss you as shallow, a flirt, a body without a mind. It's the best part.
Brandi
Lisa turning to Stella and going, whitney putana. Yeah, she's a putana. A loose woman.
Ronnie
Perhaps you speak wisdom in passing, but no one listens long enough to hear you. If you want to be more than decoration at their table. Shitty decoration, I'd like to add. Am I right, ladies? Come on now. You must Speak up. Whitney returns to Meredith. Meredith, you hide behind your semantics. Twisting language to dodge blame. Well, no, I don't twist language. I speak language. And unless you get that right. So I'm afraid I'm not gonna be able to watch any more of this play.
Brandi
I may not dodge blame, but I occasionally duck blame or move to the side of blame. And I will not be accused of dodging.
Ronnie
I will not be accused of doing a body movement that I simply didn't do. And if you want to say it, that's fine, but I will not engage with this play any further still.
Brandi
And then if we see Whitney talking about her, saying she plays the victim a martyr. Back to present. Arguing with you is like shouting into a maze. You drift between brilliance and confusion, and your behavior is unpredictable. How many beans do you need in one salad?
Ronnie
Shouting into a maze was actually a pretty good line. I was like, okay, okay. Okay, Stella, you're. You're doing okay.
Brandi
Well, if I am shouting, I'm saying, don't go into the maze. You're gonna get lost. You're gonna get lost.
Ronnie
Meredith looks down, away from the maze, because who wants to go in there? Am I right, ladies? High five. High five. No. Okay, I'll tell you who wants to go in the maze. Hercules. Right? Am I right? Is anyone up on their Hercules stories and mazes? No? Okay. And for the first time, the words fall. Failure. The sister sat. Everyone wore guilt in their eyes. They raised their glasses, swallowing the truth like poison. Moments later, glasses drop and hands tremble. I was like, wait, so they just basically talk to each other and all die? Come on.
Brandi
They all die. They talk shit to each other and commit mass suicide?
Ronnie
I mean, yeah, great.
Brandi
This is. We could do better.
Ronnie
She made it sound like there would be, like, a war. I was like, this will be cool. There'll be a war. The war of the Seven sisters or whatever. But they just all fall on the ground.
Brandi
Yeah, they drank the Kool Aid, so they're dead. And she's like. And now, for the first time ever, the house was quiet. And then I started laughing.
Ronnie
That shit's funny.
Brandi
Stripped of rivalry, stripped of noise, stripped of bobbleheads, stripped of inbred faces, the only voices that ever knew them. And at the candlelight flickered over the stricken faces, the truth was revealed. You're no one without. Well, we have lost one sister. She fell into a maze. I told you not to go into the maze.
Ronnie
And they're like, okay, thank you. This play. So the women all leave, and Brittany goes, well, that was quite the tragedy. So Heather goes, I mean, they nailed it. We think we're so good at it, like, projecting this image, but, like, if we can't be vulnerable and real with each other, we're wasting our friendships. But did you feel like your sisters can help you, make you who you are? Because that's what I took from it. Your sisters helped make you who you were, and without them, you have nothing.
Brandi
I did love that. Heather says, you can't even be vulnerable and real with each other. We're wasting our friendships. When in the first half of this episode, she's like, can you believe that Lisa Barlo asked us to be more vulnerable?
Ronnie
I know.
Brandi
So Meredith is like, well, of course. You can't have anything in life without the people around you who you love. There's nothing else. That's what life is.
Ronnie
You can't slice a lemon with one hand. Am I right, everyone? It's like you sort of can. Well, it takes a village to slice a lemon. Am I right? I mean, that's right. Don't go in the maze. Go to the lemon tree. All right, Meredith. I think she's on. I think she's on the pills again.
Brandi
Brittany says, does that mean that you love us, Meredith? She goes, Maybe we should just give up the game and be real with each other. This is the portion of the season finale where Heather gets drunk and belligerent and starts, cowboys bullying people. Let's get. Buckle up, everybody.
Ronnie
So my monologue starts right now. Brum's like, hi, I'm do the monologue this year. Okay. I was horrified by what I saw. I sat here with tears pouring down my face watching that. Well, enough about the first time you saw Todd naked. I'm in a great mood now. No, not just for myself, but for all of us, because I saw a lot of truth in how they portrayed me. And I know that came from your truths about how you portray me. And I also felt like I have a lot of work to do. I have a lot of work to do.
Brandi
I mean. But I will say. Let's say it again. I'm so sorry. Me, I'm accomplished.
Ronnie
I mean, I have work to do. Not. Not like actual work.
Brandi
I've done a lot. I've done a lot. Okay. I've done a lot. But I will. I will say, you know what? The actresses do not have a lot of work to do. There were two actresses with my bob.
Ronnie
Two. I noticed that. At first, I thought they were the actresses that were given wigs to match their hairstyles because I Saw the Bob and then I realized they just were naturally bobbed.
Brandi
Yeah. But I have deep issue in not feeling like people are loyal to me. And a big part of what that is probably because I'm not loyal to other people or I don't know how to be. And I was like, well, that. Thank you. But also good for you for a little self awareness.
Ronnie
Yeah.
Brandi
And she says that, you know, kind of what you said earlier, that her past is a list of people who have let her down. And that's why she wants loyalty so bad. But she doesn't know what it is. And she was, when she had Gwen, she was basically, you know, dissed by her parents and they put their shame and embarrassment ahead of how they cared about her. And even Todd, who I loved and choose to be with and I'm working things out with, if I'm being really honest, he has, he has been disloyal to me as well. So worst thing, he was being disloyal while I was dressed as a blow up rhinoceros at the Southwest Airlines terminal. So that really hurt.
Ronnie
Yeah. It's also funny because this show has really been about loyalty for its entire run. It's. It's always been discussions about, I was ride or die for you. I was where you weren't right or die for me. I was loyal to you. I'm not loyal to you. It's like they are really hung up on it here in a way that it's almost like they should just give up. Just their lives would be so much easier if they stopped hyper focusing on who's loyal to whom. They don't. Old School New York didn't worry about that. They just fought and they fought and then they'd get drunk afterwards. And they focus so much on who's loyal to whom that they just, they're just gonna drive themselves batty. Because the real, the reality is they're not loyal to anyone. And that's in this, in, in the context of this show, I think that's fine. It's just like, just. Do you and like, enjoy yourself?
Brandi
Yeah. So Ron was like, well, I was heartbroken by what was said about me, but I was also heartbroken about what was said about you guys. I mean, you guys should have felt bad too, because that was cutting to each of us. And Lisa's like, yeah, when I first saw Lisa come out, I was like, oh my God. Like, that's not even brand name what she's wearing. Like, who even knows where that purse came from? I know.
Ronnie
I was so Sad at how she looked. It was terrible, you know? But I do hide behind my things. You know, I hide behind my Chanel buckle that I put onto my dresses. I hide behind my new bag from Humility. I hide behind my Hermes. I hide behind, really, all the nice cars I have. I mean, I could go on and on, and I will go on, because I have a lot of things. I have so many things, you guys. It's, like, amazing. And then Angie's like, like, your watch and your rings, or at least most of your rings, because one is missing. Yeah, because for me, I think it's, like, a sign of accomplishment. And for me, it's, like, a reward for me for, like, working, like, really hard and, like, setting up high tops and being in the same room as Blake Lively. And, like, I have. I have to, like, get a ring to commemorate that because, like, I have to prove myself because I just have, like, a lot of pressure growing up, you know, from my little sisters. So, you know, like, I put a lot on my plate. Like, even with John, I think it's a lot from him, and there's a lot of expectations from him because of, like, who I am. I have, like, a lot to prove to myself. Do I have to say prove to myself another time, or do you guys get the picture here? Right? I cried. You guys. You guys are fine. Right? Okay.
Brandi
And she said, you know, this was actually a nice moment from Lisa because she's crying, and she's saying, you know, she's a braggart because she's basically insecure. Like, she's disappointed in herself for feeling like she's not doing good enough. And so she's disappointed in herself, and so she brags to, like, overcompensate or whatever. And so I thought that was really nice. So we've got two in a row that were actually really nice. Bronwyn's was. You know, Bronwyn's making me crazy today. But she's. I thought hers was really good, and I think Lisa's is really good, too.
Ronnie
I thought Brahman's was really good. And also, by the way, we didn't. We didn't mention. I felt like she said something that was, like, directed right at you. She was like, you know what? I'm a big girl. This is all on me. I'm an adult. I got to figure it out. Which I felt like she wasn't, like, blaming others, really. She was just saying, like, I. This is. I have to figure it out. It was two really good monologues in a row. That were emotional. And. And at this moment, I thought, well, you know, the. The Greek play thing was kind of ridiculous, but it's actually getting them to, like, a really good place. Like, they're having some good healing right now. And then we have a nice moment. Well, Heather's like, I am your friend, but you don't always ask me to help you because you're always okay. I'm like, well, to be fair, the last time on that yacht, you were basically telling everyone that Lisa leaks everything to the blogs. So I don't know about the friend part.
Brandi
Yeah.
Ronnie
But they're in a nice place. It's a nice place.
Brandi
I haven't seen a lot of. I'm your friend and I love you. So she keeps saying that. She's like Bromwyn in that way. Like, I've been such a good friend to you, Win. You've been coming for her this whole season.
Ronnie
But Lisa's like, this moment, and they're.
Brandi
Being very vulnerable in this moment. It's nice. Until they all renege on this in the next five minutes. Heather for right now, actually.
Ronnie
Specifically, it's Heather who actually ruins this entire really nice moment for the women.
Brandi
Yeah. So Heather's like, but, yeah, so Lisa says, well, I need my friends. I need all of you. You know, like, Angie, mean, you have this natural craziness, but, like, even if we're mad at each other, like, we have deep love. And she goes like, I love you. And it's taken a minute to say, like, I love you and get out of the dark spot with you. And our friends went away, and I want our friendship back. Just like I gave you your wolf back, your. Your man wolf, your fresh wolf back.
Ronnie
You're dusty.
Brandi
I would like to take your dusty wolf. Well, I have high regard for you, and I like having a friendship with you.
Ronnie
This is like a rough year, and I have not been here for you, and I am here for you now. And if I ever take that mask off and I'm not being who I am, I want you guys to tell me, and then I will yell at you. And then probably not listen. Said Meredith goes, well, it's interesting because there are certain parallels. Hiding beyond belongings, hiding beyond words. You know, I was trained to use words, and carefully, cautiously, they hold meaning, even if some people here don't know what the words mean. I'm pointing at this dumb, dumb over here. Cut to Whitney, be like, huh? Yeah, but they can bring a lot of joy and they can bring a lot of harm. You know what words bring Me, Joy. Happy Mother's Day. I got it. Wish I heard those words. And I'm very sensitive, and I'm very easily hurt. And I don't like being told that I'm something that I'm not or that I did something that I didn't. It hurts me. And I'm afraid of betrayal. And that's really what it boils down to. And I've been betrayed so many times by a lot of people, and I'm.
Brandi
Afraid of letting people in. I'm afraid. I'm afraid.
Ronnie
And I'll be totally honest.
Brandi
I'm. I'm afraid. I'm afraid right now.
Ronnie
So she's crying. It's a nice moment. And Angie.
Brandi
Heather rolls her eyes, by the way.
Ronnie
Exactly.
Brandi
She's, like, crying. She's, like, sobbing. And Heather just rolls her eyes.
Ronnie
And. And because, you know, Heather's saying, okay, this is. But, like, honestly, I. Here's what I think. If you think that Meredith is being. And she's using this moment to, like, to defend herself against accusations, I say feel that privately and wait for another moment to prosecute it. Like, this is not the moment. This is the moment where you are all sharing. Because I do think that, like, what Meredith is saying is true. There doesn't. It doesn't take away from what she's saying is. Is true. And Angie, even. Even Angie, who is really not very close with Meredith, is like, you're surrounded by a lot of beautiful people and a lot of fetichis, and maybe if you let them in, including the cheese, it's not your fault if it doesn't go well, it's their fault. So that we're having this nice moment, and here comes Heather to destroy it all, to turn it into just another housewives fight, basically. Yeah.
Brandi
She's like. Well, like, Meredith is a powerhouse. She's not this docile mouth that's just been victimized by all of us. I mean, she's making power moves, you know, which. I mean, surprise even me. I mean, like, the big giant thing is what just happened. I mean, this whole day that just kind of hijacked the whole day. I mean, this thing with you and Bronwyn, like, you. Kiki with her tooth. Shut up.
Ronnie
I was like, you're such a.
Brandi
You're such an asshole. This isn't about you. This isn't about you. And of course, now we get to avoid talking about what a dick Heather is and what a dick Whitney is, because now we're going to turn this into a Merida thing, which is a Typical Heather move. You know, she doesn't have to talk about herself.
Ronnie
God, I was really disappointed by this. I. I knew it was going to happen, but I was also just like, you're what? Like, what a brat? Like, why are you doing this? This is actually like, a genuinely nice moment. I was excited actually, to hear them go down the line because, honestly, a lot of the season has been at level 12. Like, every time they've had a group thing, they wind up screaming at each other at, like, a really high moment. And I was actually. I feel like the season has actually been strongest when they've had quieter, more personal moments, believe it or not. Like, I think we all like the scene with Bronwyn and Whitney sharing about their marriages at that restaurant. Like, it stood out so, so, so brightly because it wasn't kind of cartoony fighting. And the cartoony fighting is funny, don't get me wrong. It's entertaining. I'm enjoying all of it. But, like, this was, like, a real moment. And it's nice to also get a little bit of, like, that pressure release that comes. Like, after all the fighting and the feuding and the tension, you get, like, the. You release some of the pressure and have moments of bonding. And Heather just comes in determined to make a season finale scene instead of just, like, listening and just, like. And you can privately say, well, I think that Meredith is kind of full of it, but I'm gonna. I'm going to. I'm choosing to believe my friend right now and listening to her being vulnerable, and she just doesn't do it.
Brandi
Yeah, she's a dick. So Meredith is like, well, this is why I don't open up. Because. No, this is the third time that you've got. Give. Got information from her and then flipped it. Heather, you are the worst at getting information from people and flipping it. Your whole relationship with Bronwyn started with you going, oh, really? That's not what you said about Whitney at lunch. You know, like, shut up. And Meredith is like, well, that had nothing to do with anyone except her. Just. Well, that was weird, too. That was weird. She's like, oh, God, I'm not gonna.
Ronnie
Sit here and go back and forth and argue over it. But it did seem like you wanted to know about our lunch. So here comes Whitney chiming in. Like, when I heard the stories from both sides, it seemed like you just wanted to happen because it's the one thing you didn't know about. Well, this is why I don't open up. And I try, and I just got berated so I'll stop talking if you need me. I'm gonna be walking into the maze. See you never.
Brandi
She's saying, what do you want? She's not berating you, Meredith. She's saying, what do you want to know about the lunch? And when he's like, yeah, that's what we're asking, what do you want to know about the lunch? Because we've planning to tell you that we think you're an alcoholic, which we talked about at the lunch. And we can't say it unless you ask what happened at the lunch. I don't care.
Ronnie
It's too much. It's like, well, you really. You clearly care, Meredith. I do feel like that I'm yelled at and screamed at every time I try to open up. Just like, right now, and it just happened.
Brandi
That's not true. That is not true at all.
Ronnie
Look at what just happened just two days after Mother's Day.
Brandi
That's not true. If we can't be honest, why are we all here?
Ronnie
Well, I'm going to the restroom. That's a modesty for you. I'm taking a deuce. So Meredith walks away, and Mary's like, what are we doing? Why are we here if we're not friends? Why are we here if we don't get even? Get each other? I mean, is this how you feel about me? Is this? And Lisa's like, wait, Mary, what part hurt you? I thought you were laughing. I was laughing. It was a hilarious play. But you said I was hard. I'm hiding behind some stupid face. I don't hide behind a mask. I live my life like that. Lisa, you are self absorbed. What are we doing? Just throwing that right in there.
Brandi
I'm not lying.
Ronnie
But you are grown adults.
Brandi
Like, we should. We're mothers. We're wives. We're spiraling. What do we. We can't even tell Meredith we feel like something's wrong. You guys have told Meredith you feel like something's wrong 30 times. What are you talking about? I love that they act like they haven't had this conversation with Meredith when they've had it with Meredith for the past 10 episodes. It's crazy.
Ronnie
Like, we love her and we don't want to hurt her. I'm like, you're actually hurting her. Did she not just run off crying? So Mary's like, well, she runs off.
Brandi
Crying, and you see you're drunkenly screaming at her. She walks away.
Ronnie
Okay, like, don't sit here and Kiki around her. Somebody tell the girl we're worried about her. Tell her we care. Something's wrong. So Meredith comes back. I have one question. Was that toilet paper 2 ply before? Because I think they will change the role.
Brandi
Who is expected to wipe with popsicle sticks? What kind of country is this? Okay, what is the goal? What is that? And Mary's like, the goal is, we're concerned about you. We feel like you're spiraling, and we're. We're all worried, and we're all concerned. And you. You. You want to know what we talked about at lunch? That's what we talked about. Okay. They think it. I think it. I'm concerned. I hope you're okay. And I don't think you're okay. Well, I am going to take the lipstick out of my purse and put it back in so that you all know I am okay.
Ronnie
And now comes the part where I go from being very angry, you all, to being like, no, I'm okay. I'm okay. Thank you, Mary. I. I am okay. My behavior is fine. I appreciate the concern, and everything is fine. As you can see, I am perfectly fine and perfectly calm. Everything is okay. But your friends are telling you that we all think it. And I think I've heard enough, and I've heard the whole story, so I will relieve you of my presence.
Brandi
Goodbye, Meredith. Sit down and talk to the group. And she's like, what is there to talk about for you to tell me that I'm not okay when I am okay?
Ronnie
But we're concerned about you. You're committed to being angry, and you're committed to being sad.
Brandi
Well, I'm not angry. I am sad sometimes. And I'm very sensitive, and I take a lot of things to heart, and I wear a lot on my sleeve, which is why I'm constantly wearing sleeves. Now, there are things that are important to me in my life. There are goals, and I want to leave this world a better place than when I came into it. So I carry a lot of weight in my shoulder pads, and that is why I'm sad sometimes. But I'm fine. And for you to all question me and say, I'm not okay, because my. I am okay. And Mary's like, but you're not okay. You're not okay. Okay. What do you guys want her to do? Like, they need some confession from Meredith. Like, I'm an alcoholic. They need something from Meredith, or they're just not gonna let it go. I mean, what do you need from the woman?
Ronnie
I'm wearing an emotional blazer with my heart on my sleeve. And the weight and the shoulder pads, and I even have a little bit of vial of tears in the front pocket. And that's all. That's all you're gonna get from me. But wait, can I get real with you? Your behavior. Stay with me.
Brandi
Oh, no. And then she grabs her by the face. Get your hands off people, Whitney. How does Whitney get away with putting her hands on people? Constantly. She's done it multiple times just in this episode. And now she's grabbing Meredith's face like she needs. She needs to get pushed, at the very least off a balcony.
Ronnie
How did. How does she get away putting her hands on people? You know what? Someone should push her.
Brandi
If you put your hands on someone else, that gives them the right to push you backwards. She needs to get pushed away and told, don't put your hands on me. Who does?
Ronnie
Stay with me. I feel like she is like, all these years of watching er, I finally get to put it to use. Stay with me. Don't go to the line.
Brandi
It's bad.
Ronnie
We're losing her. We're losing her. Give me ten cc's of. Of something that can hold cc's in it, please. I feel bad that I called you the names. I did. And there's a reason I said pill popper, alcoholism. That's because when I see people go through emotional shifts like that, my only experience is my dad had my family. That's from my lived experience. And I'm just telling you what I'm witnessing as your friend. Your emotions and your behavior is like this right now. That's what I'm saying. Like, you're basically doing a long winded way of saying, because I've seen it in my family, I'm seeing it in you. Pillow popper, alcohol. Like, you're not really. You're just changing the words around, but you're saying the same thing, so.
Brandi
Well, I want to say, well, you know, we don't know what's going on in your life, but, you know, there are things going on in my marriage, and they're not great. And so I don't know if that's going on with you, but I mean, if it is, you know, things aren't great in my marriage, so maybe, you know, I don't know. I don't want to say there's something wrong with. With your marriage. There is nothing wrong with my marriage. Well, I mean, that's not for me to say. I don't know, but it's for her to say. And she's saying that there's Nothing. What are you arguing about?
Ronnie
If you're covering up for a murder. I'm not saying that you did, but I have seen many shows where people have murdered people and then they go in a shame spiral and it's very. It's very nerve wracking for them. So if you're covering up for a murder, if that's what you've done, that you. I'm not saying that you have, but that, that, that's fine too. It's like, I.
Brandi
What?
Ronnie
Where did murder come in from? This. Well, I mean, if. Heather, I mean, Meredith, if you've burned down a house, that's, you know, I'm not saying you've burned down a house, but like, you know, arsonists do often act in a very impulsive ways.
Brandi
What?
Ronnie
I'm not an arsonist either.
Brandi
Well, listen, I. I'm not saying that I've ever been abducted as a child, but if you're abducting children, that's not for me to say that you're not abducted. I'm not abducting children. Well, I'm just saying. Meredith, Todd and I were having. Having dinner in New York and I saw Seth. Okay. And I didn't say anything to anybody else because I didn't know who said I didn't know who Seth was with, so. Oh, you were so fucking low. And to just have this whole thing of like, oh, I just want to be trustworthy. And I just can be trustworthy because I'm trying. And then to be like, yeah, your husband's cheating on you, but I'm not.
Ronnie
Even gonna say on you. What a dick.
Brandi
And Lisa's like, you just made it seem like Seth was with somebody. No, no, I don't know who he was with. I don'. I don't know. She brought him breadsticks, I can tell you that much. And listen, I bring breadsticks to my husband. I refill his water when he needs it. That's all I'm saying.
Ronnie
And then the next day I went out, I saw him again. This time he was with. He was with someone else. And it was a young boy. I'm sorry. And he said, I want to be your mother. It was weird for all of us. And he said something about wanting to be pansexual. He was shooting a scene for Next Gen New York City, you ding dong.
Brandi
Okay, well, you know, but my experience with my marriage is talked about and I put a wall up and I just wish you could talk about it. She's like, oh, my God. Off, off, Bronwyn.
Ronnie
Sucks. Oh, that's just love. You're gonna do it. Like, go all the way. Like, don't. Don't say I saw Seth with someone. But that's it. I don't know. I'm not saying it's anything. And then act like Meredith is crazy for getting mad at the implication. And then act like you're just stating facts. Like, just say it. Say it looked like he was cheating, but. But to then bring it up and then be like, all I'm saying is that I saw him with a woman. Why are you acting crazy right now? It's like, come on, Bronwyn. Like, commit. Commit to the messiness.
Brandi
Yeah. So it's like, that is enough. Goodbye, guys. Bye. Bye. Thank you, Angie. Thank you. Really. Meal. And so she walks away. And we're is like, are you fucking kidding me? What did you just allude to with Seth? What did you do? She goes, I'm not alluding to anything. I'm not alluding to anything. I'm just saying, you know, he was. I don't know. I don't know. There was restaurant. Was he eating? I don't know. Does Seth have an eating disorder? Because he was at a restaurant. I didn't see me. I didn't see me.
Ronnie
Lisa's like, you made it sound like he was with someone else. Am I crazy? And Mary was like, he was, and she saw it. So Heather goes up to Meredith.
Brandi
She puts down her wine for the first time in three hours and, like, goes with her wine teeth up to Meredith. She's like, are you gonna for you shut me out, Marinette.
Ronnie
I'm leaving, Heather. I am leaving. She's like, no, you're not. Brahman's like, look, I don't get to say if he was with someone on a date or if it was a work person. I'm not going to do that. What I am saying to you is that when my marriage is questioned, it makes me put a wall up. And I'm worried that her marriage is being questioned, for instance, by, I don't know, accusations that her husband is at restaurants with people who may or may not be his mistress. She's putting up a wall.
Brandi
Oh, what an asshole. And Lisa's like, this is why she's closed off. Okay? This is why. And Bron was like, oh, God, Lisa. So then Heather is still over there, like, grabbing Meredith, and she's like, I'm a happy woman in a happy marriage with a lipstick that keeps coming in and out of my purse, and I have a wonderful family. Why am I listening to this? My physical health is fine. My mental health is fine. I don't. Oh, Heather is like, come on. And she's like, yeah, my physical health is fine. My mental health is fine. I don't drink very much. I don't use drugs. And my husband is loyal to me, and I'm loyal to my husband. And I don't know what your problems are, but don't create them for me because I have a really good life.
Ronnie
So now Meredith is heading off to. Now Whitney's trying to follow her. And Meredith is like, tells us, I actually drink less than most of the women. I don't do drugs. And I'm really tired of it. And let me start counting their drinks. Drinks and the multitude of pills in Britney's pill bottle and the pills I've seen Heather and Whitney take. So stop with your smear campaign or I will start telling the truth.
Brandi
So Whitney goes over there to try her hand, literal hands, on you, at Meredith. And she's like, I need you to go away, Lisa. This is between Meredith and I. She's like, no, you're not safe. Yeah, and you're safe. She was. Yeah, for her. You should go back. Go back. Trees hate you. Trees hate you.
Ronnie
Meredith. Meredith, can I talk to you? Can I talk to you? And this is like, oh, quote unquote. I'm so sorry that I'm insinuating that you have all these problems. Oh, wow. Mary's like, look, she's like, you are a good friend to her, Bronwyn. You were a good friend to her. You don't have a great friend, and you do have great loyalty. Okay, stand by, Todd. Oh, yeah, she's funny.
Brandi
She left Todd. So Bronwyn's like, yeah, well, there was a time, which, by the way, probably good for her. Bronwyn's like, well, there was a time on this triple. I was. I was worried about Meredith. I felt like something was really hard for her. But you know what? I realized that looking perfect and taking no accountability is more important than her, than being friends with any of us. So you know what? Any friendship has to be a two way street. And if Meredith can't tell us what's going on, if she can't say when she's wrong, if she can't lean on us for support, then she should walk away. Un. Unseal your. Unseal your. Mr. I'm open and talk about everything. Who was Todd? Come on.
Ronnie
But also, like she says, friendship has to be a two way street. And if Meredith can't tell us what's going on if she can't say what's wrong. I mean, she literally called you to a room and was like, what'd you guys talk about? Like, she's.
Brandi
Yeah.
Ronnie
Called you to the room to talk to you about stuff, and then you.
Brandi
Turned it against her five seconds later.
Ronnie
I mean, again, the implication is really like. Like, okay, she's. She's having issues with her in her marriage, and she's now going harder on either drugs or pills or whatever. That's what they're really saying here. It's not right.
Brandi
She's an alcoholic and a drug addict because Seth is cheating on her all over New York.
Ronnie
So Meredith is like, I'm called. I've called the car service. And he's like, it's crazy. I'm your friend, and I love you, and I'm sorry that this is so gross. Well, this is so toxic. It's just not me, I'll tell you that. So Heather goes, you know what? Just go. We can hear you. We're toxic. We get it. It's like, well, you are.
Brandi
Yeah, I'm. Just scream. Heather. Just screaming across the courtyard. You know what? Drunk. And Lisa's like, oh, great. You know what? I didn't say Heather. She said toxic behavior. Just. Oh, well, if you think that, then walk the away. Yeah, she was trying to. And you went over there and manhandled her to try and keep her here. She's like, you don't get to dictate what everyone else does. Like, the judge and jury. You don't. Heather. Okay? She goes, well, I'm asking you. If you feel that, then walk away. And if you don't, then come back and solve this, because those are the two options that you have. This is my show. Receipts, timeline. Prove everything.
Ronnie
I have three books, honestly. The point is. Well, there was a vulnerable moment, and there was, like, a quiet moment where you probably could have solved things, but instead you decided to make it into just a housewives fight. That's. That's the truth of it. So then Lisa's like, what does she solve? Sorry. Like, you think I'm actually doing this? And I was like, no, it's you, too, lb. You're with her, babe. It's like, yeah, I am with her. No, you're. You're not just an advocate right now. You chose her. You drew a line in the sand. Call an Uber. Come back. Those are the two options. YouTube versus the world. So this is basically Heather has been trying to separate from Lisa Barlow all Season. But she wants to pin it on Lisa. All that's what she's been trying to do all season long is not be friends with her, but I'll somehow make it Lisa's fault that they're not friends, not Heather's fault. So here she is again being like, if you walk away with Meredith, you've. You've drawn a line in the sand and now I know exactly where I stand with you. One of those moments.
Brandi
She's also trying to get Heather and she's also trying to get Lisa and Meredith off the show. And this is very clearly Heather trying to be the boss of the show, which is ridiculous. And saying like, you guys are walking off the show right now. You either stay here and do this with us or you call an Uber and you get the off this set.
Ronnie
Yeah. So now we get our final. Our. Our. Our little cards at the end, which is Heather's been traveling and enjoying the the empty nest. Her new mattress remains pristine and she has loved having her daughters home for the holidays and was even happier when they left.
Brandi
Lisa continues to talk to Trey's which convince her that she's a good listener despite what John says. She was sad to learn Buffalo mozzarella comes from an actual Buffalo and not New York.
Ronnie
Wild rose beauty is back in Whitney's possession, but not without causing trouble in her marriage. She still miss with Terrence, her intuitive consultant who does not see any Cartier purchases in her future.
Brandi
Let's see. Meredith's caviar lounge is opening and she's a DJ and her marriage is stronger than ever.
Ronnie
And Angie hasn't completed her Greek citizenship. And her fast food commercial was definitely not an attempt to one up Lisa.
Brandi
Oh yeah, good, because it was Arby's. And then Bronwyn is like. Bronwyn is officially an American citizen. She's waiting for her first jury duty summons, but has her hot dog outfit ready. Muzzy and Gwen are still living with Bronwyn and her marriage is closed for discussion for now.
Ronnie
And then the final one is Mary's, which starts off in a somber note of with prayers and tough love. Mary hopes Robert Jr. Will find his his way. Her church remains her safe space and her dog remains one of her closest advisors. Why are you throwing in this little dog thing? Little? They're like so serious and like. And her dog remains one of our closest advisors.
Brandi
Wow. How much was a documentary is on now on tlc? Like just saying.
Ronnie
Yet what are the odds that Britney puts up in an end of season card for herself on her own social media today. Well, I was left out. Like how she showed up in a. In a bathing suit after she wasn't included in the Vanity Fair cover.
Brandi
Britney, the one that they call the splasher now. Ding, ding, ding. Is doing great. Her daughter even texted her back one time.
Ronnie
Now she gets free steamers whenever she goes to Starbucks. So that was the end of the season, and we've got three raucous episodes coming up for the reunion. Looks pretty wild. Thanks, everyone, for being here. And what a way to kick off the new year, huh?
Brandi
Yes. All right, everybody, we'll talk to you next week. Bye.
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Release Date: January 7, 2026
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
In this lively and biting recap, Ben and Ronnie tackle Part 2 of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City Season 16, Episode 16. The centerpiece of this episode is the "Greek tragedy" play put on by an actress named Stella, dramatizing the group’s interpersonal conflicts with razor-sharp (and often hilarious) commentary. As the Housewives witness their dirty laundry aired theatrically, the hosts gleefully mock, praise, and eviscerate both the cast and the not-so-highbrow production, diving deep into Bravo’s signature blend of melodrama, backstabbing, and forced vulnerability.
Set-Up:
Hosts’ Critique:
Play Structure:
Memorable “Scripted” Insults:
Hosts’ Responses:
Group Processing:
Hosts’ Take:
Individual Monologues and Tears:
Conflict Ignited:
Rumors and Accusations:
More Classic RHOSLC Fights:
Comedic Rundown:
| Segment | Timestamp | Key Content/Notes | |------------------------------|-------------------|------------------------------------------------------------------| | Play Set-Up & Arrival | 01:52–05:52 | Reactions to Annie's “Greek play” plan | | Play Excerpts & Insults | 05:52–20:23 | Dramatic readings, host commentary, memorable roasts | | Group Reflection | 20:23–29:38 | Emotional processing, monologues, unexpected depth | | Heather Ruins Unity | 29:38–32:33 | Heather reignites conflict, hosts criticize sabotage | | Meredith Interrogated | 33:05–44:08 | Marriage rumors, substance hints, host frustration | | Walk-Offs & Showdown | 44:08–47:21 | Sides drawn, Lisa & Meredith attempt exit, Heather escalates | | End-of-Season Cards | 48:39–50:33 | Comedic reading, host jokes, season wrap-up |
This episode is pure, unfiltered Watch What Crappens—a playful, irreverent, and analytical roast of Real Housewives antics. Ben and Ronnie are quick-witted and wry, alternating between over-the-top satire and meta-commentary on the show’s structure and tropes. Their affection for the genre shines through even as they skewer the cast and production.
For new listeners or Housewives fans returning after a break, this episode provides an entertaining yet comprehensive recap of the RHOSLC season finale, complete with all the signature chaos, a bizarre “Greek tragedy” play, and the implosion (and fleeting repair) of several friendships. It’s a masterclass in how Bravo delivers both cringe and catharsis—and how Ben and Ronnie make it all enjoyable.
Recommended: If you want to witness the ridiculous heights—and depths—Bravo drama can reach, along with two experts ready with a joke for every tearful revelation.