#3157 RHOP S10E14 Part Two: Troubled Waters

Summary

Watch What Crappens

Episode #3157: "RHOP S10E14 Part Two: Troubled Waters"

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

Date: January 12, 2026

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Overview

In this lively recap, Ben and Ronnie deliver their trademark witty, loving ridicule of The Real Housewives of Potomac Season 10, Episode 14 (Part Two of the Colorado trip blowup). The episode is dominated by disastrous hosting, passive-aggressive shade, awkward social dynamics, and the ever-present specter of broken water pipes. The hosts dive deep into the episode's controversial moments, dissecting group politics, personal grievances, and, of course, the state of Angel’s Airbnb.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Awkward Meet & Greet: Angel’s “Welcome” at Bobby’s House

Timestamp: 02:12 – 06:56

• The women are brought to Bobby's house, where they're introduced to Jason Swan (Rising Roots nonprofit) and Ben Dinkins (ultra-high net worth wealth advisor), but the men barely acknowledge their arrival, remaining seated and standoffish.
• "No one gets up. Not one of them gets up to say, like, hello and shake their hand or anything." (Amber, 04:47)
• Hosts critique Bobby, who as host, fails to offer basic courtesy: "I just thought it was... crazy rude. I feel like we've never seen this sort of display before on any of the Housewives." (Michelle, 06:14)
• Memorable quote: “You are nice, and then you back away. That’s all you have to do. But, I mean, you’re making yourself look so bad in this situation.” (Amber, 05:46)

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2. Dinner in the Dirt

Timestamp: 06:24 – 08:50

• The group discovers their dinner table is set far from the main house, “a block away in the dirt,” leading to further annoyance.
• Only the violinist welcomes them: "The one person who comes over is the violinist. The only bridge for the rest of the party." (Michelle, 07:16)
• The women laugh off the ambiance, but underlying resentment simmers: “Like, we’re an hour and a half from here … the house doesn’t have water. It’s intermittent, intermittent.” (Amber, 08:31)

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3. House Drama: Water Woes and Blame Games

Timestamp: 08:50 – 19:30

• The ladies repeatedly confront Angel about the lack of running water in their Airbnb, with growing frustration.
• "We even have footage in the house of water not coming out of the spouts, and they have to, like, go out and turn on the water." (Amber, 09:14)
• Discussion turns to blaming, shade, and deflection between Angel, Monique, Giselle, and others.
• Notable moment: Angel tries to maintain composure, offering assistance despite the chaos: “If you guys need anything of me, I'm here for you. You can text me and you can call me, and we’re going to have a good, good time. Maybe not with water, but with a lot of fun and emotion.” (Michelle, 08:06)
• The water problem is both literal and a metaphor for the dysfunctional group dynamic.

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4. Tia & Stacy Confrontation: Loyalty and Liar Accusations

Timestamp: 09:35 – 18:59

• Giselle demands closure on the previous episode’s drama between Tia and Stacy, encouraging open confrontation.
• Stacy accuses Tia of switching loyalties, “If Angel’s having a bad day, then she’s on Angel’s side. If Giselle hates her, she’s on Giselle’s side.” (Michelle, 11:05)
• Tia fires back, questioning Stacy’s authenticity: “You have to be something different in front of everybody.” (Raquel as Tia, 11:27)
• The argument devolves into accusations of lying and gaslighting, with hosts and cast referencing flashbacks to “the tape.”
• Memeable moment: “If you’re going to be a liar, at least be a good liar.” (Tia, 14:08)
• Ronnie and Ben agree: Tia’s memory doesn’t line up with the footage, but Stacy’s credibility is also shaky.

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5. Who Leaked to Chris? The "Telephone" Mystery

Timestamp: 15:14 – 18:59

• The group attempts to deduce who leaked private conversations to Monique’s ex, Chris.
• Theories fly: “There’s a very good chance that one of those gays leaked it to Chris as well.” (Michelle, 16:06)
• Monique is receiving legal threats over alleged defamation, but the hosts note it’s all on camera, anyway.
• Ben and Ronnie hilariously riff on the game of “telephone” among the cast members and the supporting “gays’ table.”

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6. Angel's Hosting Crisis: Cast Trip Expectations vs. Reality

Timestamp: 18:59 – 28:11

• Angel's inability to accommodate the ladies (early night, water issues, poor planning) reaches a fever pitch.
• “You cannot brag about your 36 acres and your wealth and how you know the wealthiest money manager who smokes a cigar and doesn’t say hello to people. And yet you don’t... have a few extra coins to give to someone to come in a babysitter for one night?” (Michelle, 27:09)
• The hosts lament: every Housewife knows to hire extra help for a trip and keep the party going—Angel's move to send guests home by 7:30pm is "unprecedented."
• Memorable shade: “This is the last activity of the night?… even Orange County did more in Montana!” (Michelle, 23:49)

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7. Angel & Bobby: Excuses and Accountability

Timestamp: 25:56 – 28:11

• Angel consults Bobby about sleeping over with the girls. She’s hesitant, citing motherhood and breastfeeding, while Bobby is ambivalent.
• The hosts call her out for making motherhood an excuse too frequently on a group trip: “You are wealthy people…hire some help for a day…do what every single other housewife does…” (Michelle, 27:09)
• Ronnie adds: “I believe in you, Angel. Make an effort here. Angel, make an effort. Save your job.” (Amber, 27:20)

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8. Morning After: Survivors of the Airbnb

Timestamp: 30:23 – 34:58

• The next morning, the Airbnb still lacks water. The ladies are over it and ready to check out, with Stacey attempting to DIY a water fix and the chef stepping in as a plumber.
• “We have basic needs as Americans.” (Amber, 35:56)
• Meanwhile, Angel, K, and Tia have a luxurious breakfast, oblivious to the chaos.
• Tensions simmer about lack of communication—Angel claims to have called Jazzy to check on them, but the women feel abandoned.

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9. Aspen Itinerary and The Infamous Kimo Sabi

Timestamp: 19:30 – 20:55

• Angel announces the group will fly via private jet to Aspen with a stop at Kimo Sabi, prompting mixed reactions.
• “More kimosabi love. This is like the third show, right?” (Amber, 20:20)
• The hosts joke about the inevitability of a Kyle Richards/Mauricio Umansky crossover in Aspen.

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10. Final Car Rides: Closing Ranks and Defenses

Timestamp: 36:07 – 38:26

• Angel vents to K and Tia about Monique and Bobby: “They see someone happy in a healthy relationship, and I’m in one, and they don’t like that.” (Michelle, 36:48)
• Monique remains triggered by Angel’s defensiveness around Bobby, interpreting it as a red flag: “When you experience certain things, you know what it looks like, and you are close to being depleted.” (Michelle paraphrasing Monique, 37:20)
• The hosts agree Angel’s hesitancy and defensiveness further isolate her in the group: “She’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. They always come for her because they know they can get under her skin.” (Michelle, 27:44)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• "No one gets up. Not one of them gets up to say, like, hello and shake their hand or anything." (Amber, 04:47)
• "You are nice, and then you back away. That’s all you have to do." (Amber, 05:46)
• "If you’re going to be a liar, at least be a good liar." (Raquel as Tia, 14:08)
• "You cannot brag about your 36 acres and your wealth … and yet you don’t have a few extra coins to give to someone to come in as babysitter for one night? Come on." (Michelle, 27:09)
• "We have basic needs as Americans." (Amber, 35:56)
• “She’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. They always come for her because they know they can get under her skin.” (Michelle, 27:44)

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Other Memorable Moments

• Hosts’ vivid bird-themed bits, culminating in extended owl-impressions and “who is most menacing? It’s me, your nighttime owl.” (Michelle, 29:35)
• Repeated, affectionate exasperation with the violinist as the only attentive “host.”
• Collective glee at the women’s survival-style approach to the Airbnb’s challenges.
• The tongue-in-cheek suggestion: “Angel, make an effort here. Angel, make an effort. Save your job. Come on now.” (Michelle & Amber, 27:24)

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Segment Timestamps (Key Moments)

• 02:12: The men’s cold introduction at Bobby’s house
• 06:24: The group discovers the dinner table is a “block away in the dirt”
• 08:50: Water troubles in the cast house escalate
• 09:57: Stacy vs Tia loyalty smackdown
• 15:14: Who leaked to Chris?
• 18:59: Cast trip fails: early send-home and Angel’s excuse-making
• 25:56: Angel and Bobby rationalize missing group sleepover
• 30:23: The morning after: no water, no patience
• 34:58: Angel, K, and Tia breakfast while others suffer
• 36:07: Angel, K, Tia discuss group accusations in the car
• 37:20: Monique’s trauma triggers and Angel's defensiveness

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Tone & Style

Ben and Ronnie’s tone remains playful, sharp, and deeply Bravo-fan-insider. The recap mixes passionate (often faux-dramatic) outrage with loving mockery and a parade of one-liners. They emphasize the importance of Housewife “hosting standards,” group trip etiquette, and cast trip drama as a centerpiece of Bravo lore—and never hesitate to point out when someone isn’t living up to expectations.

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In Summary

This episode of Watch What Crappens is a quintessential breakdown of RHOP’s group trip disaster, blending recaps, fan theory, and Bravo-universe humor. The hosts demystify the episode’s dramas while spotlighting how even the most basic of cast trip responsibilities (water, hosting, inclusion) can become the watercooler talk of the Bravo world. Angel, intended as the trip matriarch, may have delivered “troubled waters” a little too literally.

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For listeners who missed the episode: Expect a hilarious, passionate, and thorough recap of every awkward standoff, logistical fail, and infamous group interaction—plus lots of signature Crappens tangents and quotable shade.

Transcript

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[Michelle Vivian]

There's so much that happens. Hi everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that, let's get right back into the episode. So they do it. They're like sort of amused by it. But then Jazzy's like, yeah, they take selfies and they have like the things in their nose. And Jazzy is like, yeah, it's giving hospital. It's like emphasis machine.

[Amber Way]

Yeah. So Stacy is like, trust me, babe, you're so beautiful. Don't do, don't do a tick tock. Don't do it. Don't do a tick tock with this because Ashley's look at me.

[Michelle Vivian]

So now comes the moment.

[Amber Way]

It's gonna look like pictures from your and Michael's vow renewal or whatever.

[Michelle Vivian]

I know. So now angel brings the ladies over to where Bobby is. Bobby is sitting in this like semicircle with several men. One guy is smoking a cigar, looking mysterious. And so Angel's like, let me introduce everybody. This is Jason Swan. He's an executive director of Rising Roots. It's a non profit that seeks to diversify the outdoors.

[Amber Way]

So but this guy from Rising Roots is just looking at them. He's staring at them. And I was like, why is he, why is he giving him a look like that?

[Michelle Vivian]

He just was staring at them like, what like we were having a conversation.

[Amber Way]

Well, it's like this whole group of. Yeah. And it's also. Yeah, exactly. She brought you here to like, you know, diversify the outdoors or whatever. So do something. But the way that he just sat there also, it's a group of men and they're just sitting there standing at all. They're sitting there staring at all these women who are standing there. No one gets up.

[Michelle Vivian]

No one's not even so awkward.

[Amber Way]

And Bobby was rude too. He's sitting there giving them the same love. They were all, yeah, Bobby must have been like, oh my God, Angel's miserable. She's doing this thing. All these ladies are so mean to her. They're so horrible. They're telling her she's poor. They're telling her, you know, because she just got back from the house where she finds out that they're all accusing her of trying to pay a thousand dollars. So I think he's just like these people. And now they're coming over and so they get there and all the guys are like, well, fuck all of you then.

[Michelle Vivian]

Yeah, he's just, they're just, they just have this look of disdain on their face. You know, whatever the look is, they're just staring at them. And I'm like, why are you're being so rude? I mean, obviously they've been told, like, don't, like, don't even say a word to these women because they will use it against you. I think, because they're just, I mean, I, I just couldn't believe. That was crazy. It was crazy. And these women are just, you know, you've got these, you got these like this group of interesting, beautiful women and they're just standing there, just sitting there, just staring at. Staring almost as if like the celebrities of this group, AKA the Real Housewives of Potomac, should be so impressed that they're in the presence of Jason Swan. Jason Swan, who has. You have a nonprofit and you're on a national platform right now, and you're just going to sit there giving stink face to these women. And then it goes. Then we go over to. It's a nonprofit. And then of course, Angel's like. And I'm actually on the board as well. Nice to meet you. And this is Ben Dinkins. He is a high, ultra high net worth wealth advisor. So, yeah, like, he's really, he's a big deal. He's a clan of wonderland outdoors. And that guy, he doesn't, I don't think he even looks at them. He just smokes a cigar.

[Amber Way]

He smokes a cigar and, like, puffs it at them. He's like. And, like, gives them a look, and they just keep cutting to him, puffing the cigar rudely at them. Like, fuck you. You know, they all have this look of fuck you in their face. And she's like, okay, okay. Everyone's like, okay. No one gets up. Not one of them gets up to say, like, hello and shake their hand or anything. And Wendy's like, I thought we were coming to your house to get to know you and your. But, like, how about. Who are these people? What the hell?

[Michelle Vivian]

Yeah. This was just. This was such a. This is such a bizarre moment. I don't know. I just, like. And I thought actually it was exceptionally rude of Bobby as he's essentially a host. It's his house. These are his friends. And I think it's. You know, it was fine that Angel's like, this is so and so. This is so and so. This is so and so. But the fact that. I don't know. I feel like Bobby could have done something. He could have stood up and be a ho.

[Amber Way]

Stand up and say, hi. Welcome to my home. I'm so. We're so glad to have you here. I mean, listen, whatever you really think, like, you're a husband on a Housewives show, and you don't get involved with the ladies. You don't get involved in the mess. You are nice, and then you back the away. That's all you have to do. But, I mean, you're making yourself look so bad in this situation, especially when you've got Monique over there and Giselle spreading all this stuff of like, oh, Bobby's horrible, and Bobby's this and Bobby's that, and the energy from Bobby. You're not helping yourself, you know?

[Michelle Vivian]

Yeah.

[Amber Way]

O. Yikes.

[Michelle Vivian]

Yeah, I just thought it was. It was just, like, crazy rude. I feel like we've never seen this sort of display before on any of the Housewives. It just was crazy. Yeah.

[Amber Way]

This is really. This is really bad. So Angel's like, well, I'm gonna tell the chef to start dinner. And Stacy's like, okay, well, so that's the table over there. And then you seen, like, beyond the house. It's like, if it was a city block, it would have been, like, a block away. You see this little table out in the middle of the dirt? She's like, wait, so that's our table. There's, like, 10 tables up here, you know, with the fires and the. You know, all the gorgeousness. And then you put us A block away in the dirt. What the hell?

[Michelle Vivian]

Yeah, it's. It's just really. It's so bizarre. This whole thing is so bizarre. So they're like, okay, so we're all the way out here in the middle of nowhere. Okay, great. So then violence. The one. The one person who comes over to them is the violinist. The only bridge for the rest of the party.

[Amber Way]

Great. The violinist. Awesome. He's like.

[Raquel]

We love macaroni.

[Amber Way]

It's like, I don't need this. Play something else. Get him out of here. Does anybody got a Spotify?

[Michelle Vivian]

So they are sitting down and everything. And angel offers, like, by the way, my cloth's up there if anyone needs anything, if it's still too cold. And so Monique is like, you know what? I like this version of Angel. Like this. I like you. This version of you. I like this. And. And so Jazz, he's like, oh, you don't like the other version? And Monique's like, not so much. I like this energy.

[Amber Way]

And Giselle says, yeah, well, you were talking about her energy earlier, right? Yeah, the energy earlier was whack. Because your energy was not of a host. It was not host energy.

[Michelle Vivian]

Okay, well, I'm sorry that you felt that way, but I'm here, and we're here, and we're present. The violinist is here, too. And just want to remind everyone over there is Ben Dinkins. Hey, Ben. Hi. No. Oh, he just puffed a cigarette cigar again. And we're just having a good time. And if you guys need anything of me, I'm here from you. And you can text me and you can call me, and we're going to have a good, good time. Maybe not with water, but with a lot of fun and emotion.

[Amber Way]

Well, we were going to call you earlier because you couldn't have found something closer. Like, we're an hour and a half from here.

[Raquel]

Ra.

[Amber Way]

And she's like, well, this is the high season in Colorado. High season, low season, middle season. Come on, now. She's like, well, there's just not availability. She goes, well, the house doesn't have water. It's intermittent. Intermittent.

[Michelle Vivian]

And they're like. And Monique's like, yeah, shuts on and off. It shuts on and off. The house is whack. She. The ladies and I are trying to get ready for dinner, and the water is, like, turning on and off, and there has to be somebody out to go outside and flip the switch. So we barely, with the water, got ourselves together to come to Angel's house. Giselle is so mad. She is so Mad right now. And angel looks horrified.

[Amber Way]

I hate to be on Giselle's side because she really is just so nasty at all times for no reason. Like, she's really. To me, she's been coming at angel all season for no reason. It's been gross. But she's got a point. I mean, man, we even have footage in the house of water not coming out of the spouts. And they have to, like, go out and turn on the water.

[Michelle Vivian]

Well, or whatever the hell it is.

[Amber Way]

I have to keep going back outside.

[Michelle Vivian]

It's just. Oh, yeah, it's. It's really bad. And Giselle's like, well, I have something to say to Tia and Stacy because I gave y' all a challenge and I was being shady making y' all do the sack race together and you guys were able to work together. So do you guys want to fight again or make up because you have the stage.

[Amber Way]

Fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight. I never stop working. I'm going to start 10 fights a scene. Go ahead and fight now. So Stacy's like, well, I don't have an issue with you, Tia, because I honestly don't even know who you are.

[Raquel]

And she's like, oh, that's so funny. So very funny. You won't know until who I am until I knock on your door and say, I've lived in your house before.

[Michelle Vivian]

Well, when we met, I described you as someone being level headed, someone who's neutral, someone who I want to get to know, like Arabella and I introduce you to my family. And maybe that doesn't mean anything to you, but that meant a lot to me. And then you flip the script so swiftly. So we see that clip again of Tia inviting them to dinner, and then Stacy says that Teemo's got to fly out, and then he doesn't. And then D and basically Stacy's like, know you jumped on the hate Stacy train so quick. And Stacy goes on to say that, like, if Tia, like, with Tia, and if, like, if Angel's having a bad day, then she'll be on Angel's side. If Giselle's having a bad as it hates her, then she'd be on Giselle's side. She's basically like, Tia is going to pick sides and she's going to kind of go, there's certain people that she will always take their side. And, like, Stacy was not one of them.

[Amber Way]

Yeah. And so far, from what we can see, that's true.

[Michelle Vivian]

Unfortunately, it is true. And it, like, really bothers me because I really. I love Tia. I loved her out the gate. And, like, her performance in the second half the season has me being like, oh, no, Tia, you were supposed to be the perfect newbie, and you're not the perfect newbie. But I still love her.

[Amber Way]

I'm gonna.

[Michelle Vivian]

I'm gonna give her a pass. I just pretend it's not happening.

[Raquel]

So here's the thing. The reason I've taken this step back from Stacy is because everything that people are saying about you, I'm finding it through. I know who I am. More importantly, I don't think you know who you are, because you represent yours. You have to be something different in front of everybody. So, for example, Monique had already told us that she had gone to our ex to tell him everything that was in the conversation at Pride. And then I asked. I said, you know him. And she said, no, I don't know that man. And I said, have you ever spoken to him about his marriage?

[Amber Way]

She's like, why would I say that? We've already established that I know Chris.

[Raquel]

No, no, she said to me. But she lied to me. She lied to me.

[Michelle Vivian]

We see a clip of her saying, do you know Chris? And she goes, well, I know him socially, like, but, like, we're not, like, that close. Which I feel like is very, very different than. You acted like you didn't know who he was, because she'd never said she didn't know him. She always said that she knew who Chris was. She was. She never even hid this. And they keep on trying to make it into so much more than it is. And I just. I don't. I don't believe it is more than it is. I actually do believe Stacey on this.

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[Amber Way]

And Stacy says, well, it doesn't make sense for me to say, I don't know Chris. I've told everyone at the table.

[Raquel]

She goes, oh, so you're saying that I said that? Are you saying that you didn't know.

[Amber Way]

And Giselle's like, before she admitted that she did? No, no, I'm saying that you're a liar, because I already told everyone this before, and Tia is kind of a lie here, right?

[Michelle Vivian]

Yeah.

[Amber Way]

I mean, did we see. Is there some other clip that proves Tia to be Right.

[Michelle Vivian]

Because I don't think she's lying. I think she just doesn't remember it properly. I think that she. In her mind.

[Amber Way]

I mean, I think she lies. She's lying.

[Michelle Vivian]

She's. I. I think that Tia. I think Tia is speaking with the conviction of someone who's remembering it incorrectly. And then the. The tail. The tape says otherwise. And Tia's. I suppose we have. Poof. It's on camera. Which, by the way, that's working totally against you, Tia, because it is on camera, and you're wrong on this. So they're still going back and forth, and Ash is like, it's just so.

[Raquel]

Baffling as to what Stacy's trying to do here. I mean, you're getting caught in a.

[Michelle Vivian]

Lie in every single.

[Amber Way]

Which way.

[Michelle Vivian]

I'm like, could we see your first, like, seven seasons of this show, Ashley? I mean, your divorce that never ended. You're with Michael. You're not with Michael. I mean, come on, Ashley.

[Amber Way]

Yeah. And Tia says, well, if you're going.

[Raquel]

To be a liar, at least to be a good liar.

[Amber Way]

She's like, well, if the things that you're so upset at me about that allow you to go from prim and.

[Raquel]

Proper, she's oh, I'm still prim and proper, darling.

[Amber Way]

Just screaming at me and swearing at me. If those things don't matter to the people that are sitting at this table, who. Who it actually affects, then why does it matter to you?

[Raquel]

She's like, oh, good question. Well, it's because you agitate my spirit. I don't like liars. Even though I just lied at the table, but still, I don't like liars.

[Michelle Vivian]

Okay, well, then keep it over there, then. Keep your agitated spirit over there. Giselle's like, oh, you agitate my spirit, da. I'm gonna use that, Da. And Jazzy's like, yes, I'm gonna write that down. Well, stay agitated over there. Stay agitated.

[Raquel]

Swear there's.

[Michelle Vivian]

There's no reason why I would lie if it's documented. Why would I lie about that one. Why would I lie? So basically, Monique says, look, I asked AC if she was the one that basically butchered the story, went back and told him, and she has vehemently said no. So Wendy's like, well, so who told him? And then, by the way, I don't know if you caught this. The camera's cut right to Kieran at that moment, which is.

[Amber Way]

Kieran is K. And Cookie. Come on.

[Michelle Vivian]

Yes. Kierna is like the other suspect that not even thinking about. We have Kieran is the one who's friends with Cookie, and Kieran's the one who heard from Cookie about this and that. You know, like, clearly it was KO told, Kieran told Cookie, Cookie told Chris and had like a moment with Chris. And then Cookie then calls whoever she called next to be like, well, they were talking about, oh, no, Chris called Monique. I don't remember. I don't remember the game on telephone. But it's Karen and Cookie.

[Amber Way]

So who told him? And Monique's like, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, it was just us. So how does it, 10 minutes later, the conversation get completely transposed the way that it did? I mean, that conversation came out in D flat and that was just not the key. It was sung in. And he is like, well, she said.

[Raquel]

She doesn't have his number. Didn't she say that?

[Amber Way]

And Giselle says, well, at the time, she admitted that she has it.

[Michelle Vivian]

So, by the way, there was also when that conversation was being had, they were. The women were all in this table. There was a side table, a kiddie table of gays. Every single one of their gay sidekicks were at one little table, sitting right next to them, all watching like a spectator sport. There's a very good chance that one of those gays leaked it to Chris as well.

[Amber Way]

Well, here's the problem with all of this, is that in standing up for Stacy, because I like Stacy and I don't think she lies about everything, but Stacy lies about a lot of things. So it's really hard to stand, to just be like, oh, well, I'm standing for Stacy on this because she does kind of lie a lot. But she, in this, this, in this thing, she did say that she knew Chris and all of that. She didn't try to lie about that. So I like that Monique's like, well, listen, that's what she said, and I have no reason really not to believe her. So whatever.

[Michelle Vivian]

But.

[Amber Way]

Yeah, no, go ahead, go ahead.

[Michelle Vivian]

I'm sorry, I'm the one interrupting you. You should keep going.

[Amber Way]

No, no, go ahead. I want to hear what you said because I was going to move on. So go ahead.

[Michelle Vivian]

I got myself. I got myself whipped up. I also think that, like, if Stacy did do this, I don't think that she's like, I don't think she knows Chris on a level where she's gonna. Feels that she has to cover up for him. I think what she would say is, I did have a conversation with Chris and I told him my feelings on our conversation. Like, she would Be slippery about it. She wouldn't. She would acknowledge that she had a conversation. So that way, if it comes. If he says, look, here, we had a conversation, but then she would not give. She would give, like, some sort of half truth to sort of get out of it. I. So I think the fact that she is saying, absolutely, I did not have the conversation means that she probably didn't have it.

[Amber Way]

Well, there's also this thing. So Monique says, you know, the issue is inconsistencies. And I'm getting letters from his attorney basically threatening me because of defamation. And they're like, oh, my God, that's terrible. But, Monique, you did say all that stuff on camera. So he would have eventually found this stuff out anyway. Because the stuff that was taken to him wasn't a lie from what I remember. It was what you said. So, I mean, you were the one who. So he still could come after you for defamation. It would have just come out later, I guess.

[Michelle Vivian]

I guess.

[Amber Way]

But either way, whoever did this stuff, that's not cool. You know, it's not cool to the husband.

[Michelle Vivian]

And Monique is like, you know, if someone did this. If someone told this to Chris, someone did it with. Said it with some intensity and malice behind it. The only one who would have intensity and malice behind it would be Cookie. Honestly. Because no one else, really.

[Amber Way]

Because Cookie needs money.

[Michelle Vivian]

Yeah. No one else knows or cares about Monique. In this cast, Giselle would have been maybe the only one who might have had some malice. But Giselle is, you know, embracing Monique again. So it most likely came from Cookie. And I think that the only one who's talking to Cookie is Giselle and Kieran, honestly. And I don't know, I just don't see this as being Stacy.

[Amber Way]

So Monique is saying, well, look, I mean, I don't know, but until you come for me personally, I'm fine with you. And Giselle says, that's fair, Ra. And she's like, yeah, I'm gonna try and be fair here. So now they start talking about how good the food is and how great angel did. And Angel's like, hopefully this makes up for. For all the Phoebe's and Sorry, guys. And Wendy's like, I hope so. This is a tough cloud. And she's like, okay, I'm gonna work on this, guys, because nobody deserves to go without water, even Ashley. Giselle.

[Raquel]

Okay.

[Amber Way]

Yeah.

[Michelle Vivian]

So now angel reveals the itinerary for the next day. So she goes, okay, so we're gonna go to a signature airport, which I think is so funny. A signature airport.

[Amber Way]

Like, it's huge, guys.

[Michelle Vivian]

It's like. It's like the airport that. The supermarket. It's like the supermarket generic brand of airport that they call the signature, because that's what every supermarket calls their generic brands. It's your signature. Signature cookies. Signature brand cookies. They're going to a signature airport and we're gonna hop on a. On a private jet and go to Aspen. So they're all excited. That's pretty cool. And then they. When they go to Aspen, they're going to Kimo Sabi. And half of them cheer because they probably have seen it on Beverly Hills. And half of them are like, what the hell is that? And I think the audience, meanwhile, groans.

[Amber Way]

Yeah, More kimosabi love. There's a lot of kimosabi love on these shows. This is like the third show, right?

[Michelle Vivian]

Yeah, they keep going back.

[Amber Way]

They love them. It's like the tour. It's like getting your Statue of Liberty statue, you know, at a rich person. I know.

[Michelle Vivian]

It's like. And. And like the. You know, I think all of us were thinking like, oh, God, she's gonna run to Kyle Richards there. She's gonna run to Mauricio. Little did we. I think most. I had forgotten that they actually do run into Mauricio. And it's in the previews for next week. Like, hey, Giselle. I was like, oh, my God, it really is Mauricio.

[Amber Way]

She's like, emo. Sabi is a celeb haven. And Monique's like, yep. And okay, so, no, Monique doesn't say this. So she's like, okay, guys, angel says, then we're gonna hop back here for dinner by seven and the chef will have a lovely dinner and please hydrate tonight. Aspen's a higher elevation. And Kira's like, oh, God, even higher than this. Come on, man. It's like, yes. Even higher than this.

[Michelle Vivian]

Yes. And. And then Kieran is like, Kieran actually has a nice little suggestion. She's like, this has been so nice. I think we should keep the party going because I hate when the party' and so I think tomorrow we should have a pajama party. That'd be really great. And. And Mon was like, yeah, I was just saying that because they're basically, they're proposing after this whole Aspen thing. Why don't we go back to the Airbnb? And angel, why don't you come too, and you can get into your jammies and we'd have, like a slumber party. Especially since angel has said a million times, I can't wait for you. To get to know me. And I can't wait to get to know you girls. So here is the bonding time as the after hours bonding time when the cameras are down and you can kiki and it'll be fun.

[Amber Way]

Yeah. So they're like, yeah, just pack your suitcases and stay with us. And she's like. And Tia comes back, she's like, I.

[Raquel]

Just had a moment in the bathroom. Do not go in there.

[Michelle Vivian]

She really is. Stacey is. Oh, I just threw up on my mouth a little bit.

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[Michelle Vivian]

So Angel's like, well, okay, okay, well, I just have to check in with Bobby and make sure he's okay. It's okay with him because he's watching the kids all day and I just didn't plan for him putting both, you know, putting them both to bed and doing the bedtime routine on his own. Emily's like, oh, but that's, that's just a dad being a dad. He can handle it. And angel, like, puts up her hand like he's a dad. Like, don't, don't do, don't. Don't push this. And everyone sees it and it's like, whoa, okay, I guess Bobby can't take care of the kids for more than five hours.

[Amber Way]

So Kieran is like, yeah, you know what? I took that as like a hand that said, mind your business because that's my man. Don't do that. And Angel's like, well, I'll text you, but I'm down for the plan. Okay, let's wrap it up. Let's wrap it up. So they're like, wait a minute, it's over.

[Michelle Vivian]

She's like, yes, it's 7:30pm get the.

[Amber Way]

Fuck out of my house.

[Michelle Vivian]

And we see at 7:30pm on the screen, and everyone's like, this is the cast trip. That this is the last activity of the night. Like, even the real houses of Orange county, when they went to Montana, did something at night. Like, they're not even a bonfire with smart dogs. We can roast. I mean, come on.

[Amber Way]

Yeah, this is a. This is a sad Showing by Angel. This is really bad. You can't take responsibility for the cast trip, the finale cast trip, where everything for the rest of the season comes to a head. And, like, this is a big deal for the show and for you to kick everyone out at 7:30, it's like.

[Michelle Vivian]

And so they're like, okay. So they all start shuffling away, and Giselle's like, y' all had no hosting issues. And Nevis just wants, say, nevis, best cast trip of all time. So then Stacy is like, by the way, guys, I just went to the bathroom, and it was a distinct smell of sewer.

[Amber Way]

So Tia.

[Michelle Vivian]

Just want to point out Tia was the last one in there.

[Amber Way]

I'll tell you who's not lying. Tia's bowels. And they're very unhappy.

[Michelle Vivian]

She did have onion rings today. I can vouch for that.

[Amber Way]

So chickpeas, don't ask me how I meal.

[Michelle Vivian]

Maybe some corn on the cob. So now angel goes up to Bobby, and she's kind of nervous, and she's like, so tomorrow they want me, Kiana, and Tia to spend the night in the house that they're staying in in Littleton. And to be honest, personally, I. If I have an opportunity to see my kids, I'm gonna choose to see my kids, right? I mean, go on. If you want to tell me I should go be with my girlfriends, that's okay, too, but. But I should probably be with the kids, right? Like, that's her vibe. Like. And he's like, fishing.

[Amber Way]

He's like, well, I don't. I mean, if you want to go. I mean, it's going to suck, but it is what it is. I mean, do you want to do that? And she's like, no. What do you mean, he. Well, okay, then it is. He's like, okay, it is what it is. Then you. You don't have to do that if you don't want to. And so basically, you know, I think she's going to pin this all on Bobby. But he's like, yeah, of course. I don't want to stay home with the kids all night again, you know, but go for it. I'm not going to tell you not to go.

[Michelle Vivian]

Go ahead.

[Amber Way]

And she's like, no, no, no. He's like, okay, well, you don't have to if you don't want to. Like, whatever. And so she's like, I'm still a breastfeeding mother, and my plan was always to enjoy my time with the ladies during the day and then maybe sometimes some activities at night. I mean, Ma' Am.

[Michelle Vivian]

Ma', am, if you do not get on that bus and go hang out with your friends on the cast trip, you were officially fired. I'm sorry, this is ridiculous, okay? You are wealthy people. I'm not. It's not our job to tell people how to spend their money, but it is our job. And like, you don't. I'm not saying you have to hire a full time nanny, even though do you already have one, but you can at least hire someone to help out during the cash trip while you're busy doing your job. Okay, like, I understand it's a lot nighttime rituals. I am not being like, oh, whatever, just put the kids in bed, you know, and it's a lot of all day. But honestly, honestly, hire some help for a day. Bring in your sister to help for the like. Like, do what every single other housewife does on every single one of these shows where they bring in someone for the shooting just to take care of someone. I mean, Kenya Moore brought her nanny on like two or three trips. Like, this is not an uncommon thing. Like, figure it out. Okay? You cannot brag about your 36 acres and your wealth and how you know the wealthiest money manager who smokes a cigar and doesn't say hello to people. And yet you don't. You don't have a few extra coins to give to someone to come in a babysitter for one night. Come on.

[Amber Way]

Yeah, come on. You can do this. I believe in you. Angel. Make an effort here. Angel, make an effort.

[Michelle Vivian]

Save your job. Come on now. Yeah, make fun of you next season too.

[Amber Way]

Pump it. Throw it in the fridge and get to that party now.

[Michelle Vivian]

That's right.

[Amber Way]

Do I blame her for not wanting to be around these ladies? Not really. They're always coming for her. But at the same time, you're the one hosting the cast trip. Like, you gotta do this. You're the. You're the head of this.

[Michelle Vivian]

She's a self fulfilling prophecy. They always come for her because they know they can get under her skin. And then she does that. She. She does this. And they know that they have won. So you've got to go in there and you've got to, like, take up some space. And you gotta like, you. You buck up and you just don't let them. You don't let them be that. And also, like, show the fun side of angel that they got to see that one night in Nevis before Kierna made you be sad again. Okay, like, I don't know. I think she's failing big time here.

[Amber Way]

Yeah, Huge. So he's like, okay, so just. You don't want to go, then just tell them that you're together all day and you're already going to Aspen. And she's like, I know, but it's not enough, though. So then on the way home in the car, Ashley's like, well, I mean.

[Raquel]

That was a good time.

[Amber Way]

Stacy's like, it was better than you expected, right, Giselle? She goes, not really. It was about the same. So she would have to ask Bobby to, like, stay with us. That's a little weird.

[Michelle Vivian]

Yeah. And Ashley's like, well, Bobby's a security blanket. Her security blanket, you know? And, like. And Stacey's like, but when she doesn't want to do something, like, that's when she does it. And, like, she. So she doesn't want to come to the house. House. And stay the night and just. I don't think so.

[Amber Way]

And Ashley calls it, I think, correctly.

[Michelle Vivian]

Yeah.

[Amber Way]

I think she's waiting to see how it goes tomorrow, and if it goes well, she'll come. And if it doesn't, she'll use Bobby as an excuse.

[Michelle Vivian]

Yeah, Ashley got that, like, she got that 100% right.

[Amber Way]

Yeah.

[Michelle Vivian]

So now they're driving and driving in the dark, and everyone's getting scared because there's no lights. And then we see lots of stock footage of animals, especially one owl. There's this one owl who's like, this is my moment to shine. I am a nighttime owl. Owl with a bright light on me, and I am gonna take over this show. Yes. Queen. No.

[Amber Way]

It's like, look. It's like, look, I'm an owl. Watch. Watch how I can turn my head all the way around. Look at that. Went in a full circle. Went to full circle. What did you do today?

[Michelle Vivian]

Who is most menacing? It's me, your nighttime owl.

[Amber Way]

I have an owl outside.

[Michelle Vivian]

God.

[Amber Way]

It doesn't choose to go off until the middle of the night. And then it's like.

[Raquel]

Like.

[Amber Way]

It's like, yeah, I hear you. I know. Congratulations. You're an owl.

[Michelle Vivian]

I know. I thought I saw it. I thought I saw an owl yesterday, but I think it was just a hawk. It was a really big hawk, but I thought it was an owl either way, as a bird of prey. So they're driving, it's dark. Giselle's unhappy with all this darkness. And they're very scared of bears and mountain lions. I mean, it's fair. It's fair. But they're also. You're also in a car. The bear's not gonna attack the car while it's driving. 50 miles per hour. They're driving. They finally make it back to their home in the dark, and there's no running water again.

[Amber Way]

Oh, my gosh. Giselle's like, I don't have the water to wash the bacteria off my body. Yeah. I'm in danger. So now it's day two, and Stacy's like, dear Lord, please let us be able to wash our hands.

[Michelle Vivian]

How many?

[Amber Way]

I don't even want to use it. Oh, God, I'm afraid. And so they tried the sink, and it's like. And it starts coming out, and they're like, oh, yes, water.

[Michelle Vivian]

We did it. So they're washing their hands, are so happy to have their running water. But no one has received any texts from Angel. Although, actually, it turns out that Jazz. He gets a text. But basically, Ashley is annoyed that angel hasn't checked in on them, and everyone's annoyed, which. Which I think is fair, too. I think angel should be like, how is it? Is it all fixed? Did you guys sleep well? But nothing from Angel. And as she tells us that the only person who had water last night was Stacy, and, like, she was rationing it out. And basically, like, they. Stacy started to YouTube how to fix a water heater or whatever, and. Which is hilarious. And they got afraid that she's gonna electrocute herself, so they had to call, like, the private chef to come in and fix it.

[Amber Way]

Oh, my gosh. So they had water two hours later, and the heat is still up to 90 degrees, so they're not happy. And Monique's like, well, it was so hot in my room this morning. My face was swollen, literally. My eyes are watering, my nose is running. Oh, my God. This just sounds like hell. This whole house. This house is a house of horrors. So she's like, you pulled a K because Kay's been crying the whole time.

[Michelle Vivian]

Yes.

[Amber Way]

So now they're talking about Giselle's like, I'm taking over. I'm finding this accommodations because this is some foolishness now at this point. Yeah, you're gonna have to. And just send that lady the bill, because this is crazy.

[Michelle Vivian]

Yeah. Honestly. And Stacy's just like, you know, I'm just trying to be positive. It's been a rough morning, and, I mean, she trying to off us. Why did she banish us into the woods? This is a scary movie. And we all know who gets going to get killed first. The pretty nice girl. That's me. So Giselle's like. Giselle's showing them how she had to, like, you know how she had to shower this morning, which is that she turned on the bath, and then when she tried to pull the thing up on the foster, move the water to the. The shower head and never went up there. So the water just coming out of the bath faucet, and she was, like, basically splashing it up her. Hoo. Ha. And she's showing them, and they're all laughing and say, like, you did a whole bath. So it's all funny. And then we go over to Angel's home, and they're, of course, having a luxurious morning with, like, breakfast. And it's. Bobby made them a whole spread, and it's lovely. And they're like, ugh. Lap of luxury.

[Amber Way]

The violin guys there playing Pink Pony Club. Like, Jesus Christ, can we just get away from this guy?

[Michelle Vivian]

When does he end?

[Amber Way]

So she. Angel says that after she found out about the water pressure being low. Oh, no, no. Know it's not just the water pressure being low. Angel, she's like, well, I had the homeowners check on everything, and they said it was fine. They just need to restart the system, you know, But I didn't know that the water completely stopped working overnight.

[Raquel]

And Tia's like, well, it's not like it's deliberate. You didn't know anything about it. Can I have another little bit of caviar on my toast? Thank you.

[Michelle Vivian]

Oh, when do we get to take.

[Raquel]

Our third shower of the morning?

[Michelle Vivian]

So Kierna is like. She's like, well, guess what?

[Raquel]

Today we're leaving sources in the corner.

[Michelle Vivian]

Because we're not even. We're not even doing all that. Oh, I know. Kieran was talking, not talking about sour purposes in the corner. Oh, my goodness.

[Amber Way]

Yeah.

[Raquel]

They won't get to go on the plane if they're acting like that. And Kim was like, you better stand up, Tia. Just look, Giselle. Look, Giselle. Get out.

[Michelle Vivian]

So.

[Amber Way]

Bobby hands him a couple of drinks, and basically, who cares? Why am I talking about this? So then Tia's like, well, I'm worried.

[Raquel]

For the ladies, but I'm more concerned with angel because I'm. I'm like, this is not going to go down well. They're waiting for the nails to, you know, knock into her coffin.

[Michelle Vivian]

Yeah. So angel explains that she texted. She called Jazzy in the morning to make sure everything is okay. And. And Jazzy told Angel that they did not have water. And so we see a text exchange where this is all explained and everything. And so. But then Kieran and Tia, their reaction was they didn't have Water. And no one called you. How could they not call you? She is the host. She is the. I mean, it probably would have been smart if they had texted Angel. Be like, hey, we still don't have water. Can we find a new Airbnb? Like, that's probably what I would have done.

[Raquel]

Maybe.

[Michelle Vivian]

Or. But, like, it's. I still think it's more on angel to check in on the women and make sure everything was okay.

[Amber Way]

Well, yeah, because they don't know. The. Angel called the people and told them. Whatever. They're just like, okay. The water still doesn't work.

[Michelle Vivian]

Mm. So Giselle, back at the Airbnb, Giselle's like, I'm gonna find us something better. And they're like, yeah, we just have to do this. And Jazz is like, yep, I'm zipping up a suitcase. Like, I'll be right down. Everyone's ready to go. Everyone's totally okay with this. And Giselle's like, listen, angel has this Aspen trip planned for the day, and it's great. And then I'm relocating us as well. And I'm going to inform you very clearly that you have failed miserably.

[Amber Way]

As Stacy points out that she tried to turn on the water again, and now it's just trickling out again in its sewage smell.

[Michelle Vivian]

And they're like, yeah, because we see her go into the bathroom. Be like, okay, we're gonna leave. Let me just wash my hands. And she turns on the faucet, and nothing comes out. You're like, oh, no, it's off again.

[Amber Way]

Oh, God. So Stacy's like, we have basic needs as Americans.

[Michelle Vivian]

It's fair.

[Amber Way]

Okay, so now Angel, K, and Tia are in the car, and Angel's like, oh, guess what else Jazzy told me. She said that Monique has been saying bad stuff about Bobby all. And she's like, don't shift those experiences to me. You know, the only similarity between me and Monique is when it comes to marriage is that Bobby played in the NFL. I'm not even going to say that she's a wag. I will not even give her that in this conversation.

[Michelle Vivian]

Karen's like, I mean, to me, it's.

[Raquel]

Kind of nonsense, because, like, I get if you're, like, recently divorced, right? But, like, we don't know what your marriage is like.

[Michelle Vivian]

Angel's like, this is not the time or the place. You're crossing boundaries. You don't know me like that, but guess what? You're gonna get to know me.

[Amber Way]

Promises, promises. So angel is saying, yeah, you know what? They see Someone happy in a healthy relationship, and I'm in one, and they don't like that. And to imply anything else is evil. And no one has Bobby's name in their mouth but me. So then in the other car, Monique is saying, you know, last night I was saying we should have a pajama party. And she. She said she had to ask her husband if he can watch the kids. And that was a trigger for me. And then she put her hand up and they're like, oh, no, not the hand.

[Michelle Vivian]

Wendy's like, I know she put her hand up. Yeah. And Monique is like, I clock that. Like, when you experience certain things, you know what it looks like, and you are close to being depleted. And then we go back to angel's car, and Tia is like, well, Dr.

[Raquel]

Phil is not here. And from what I see, you've created a beautiful family and a beautiful life for yourself.

[Michelle Vivian]

And Angel's like, now they're trying to come for Bobby. Let me tell you something. I will crash out.

[Amber Way]

So let's see. Promises, promises. You better crash out. You need to do something.

[Michelle Vivian]

Well, I don't think she's gonna crash out that much. I don't know if you saw on. On Carlos King's show, he had a guest on who was imagining what angels crash at would be like at the reunion. And basically, like, his version of it, which is what I totally agree with, is like. And the angel crash out is like, I'm going to tell you something. I tried to be respectful for you to you, and you'll get to know me, but I just don't fuck with that. You just know her crash house is going to be totally lame and, like, quiet and sad.

[Amber Way]

Yeah.

[Michelle Vivian]

Well, everyone, thanks for being here. We hope you are in better accommodations than that Airbnb.

[Amber Way]

Hope the banner works.

[Michelle Vivian]

And we'll be back later today with some marriage medicine. Don't forget to catch us this evening for some Amazon Live. We'll be talking about some cool stuff, so catch us there and catch us next time. And we will talk to you soon. Bye, everyone.

[Raquel]

Bye.

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