#3162 RHOSLC S617 Reunion 1 Part Two: Luxe Tag Teams and Lively Lashings

Summary

Watch What Crappens #3162 – RHOSLC S617 Reunion 1 Part Two: Luxe Tag Teams and Lively Lashings
January 14, 2026
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

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Main Theme & Episode Purpose

In this high-energy, laugh-out-loud recap, Ben and Ronnie sink their comedic teeth into Part 2 of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City Season 6 Reunion—amplifying the mess and drama helmed by Andy Cohen and the SLC cast. The episode focuses on Luxe-brand feuds, fast food trolling, accountability (or the lack thereof), and the ever-blurring lines between authentic chaos and expertly produced reality TV. Ben and Ronnie embrace their signature loving mockery to dissect tag teams, unverified accusations, and the relentless parade of Housewives-brand scandals.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Lisa’s Smoky Eye Fiasco and Fast Food Feuds

[01:21-05:31]

• The hosts start with Andy Cohen asking Lisa about her now-infamous bad "smoky eye" confessional look. Lisa blames her makeup artist and jokes, "one of my lashes probably came off... one of those exploding lashes that had an ink sack in it" (Lisa, [02:26]).
• The conversation steers hilariously into Lisa and Angie's brand partnerships. Ronnie riffs: "Are you trolling Lisa with your dingo stole my baby partnership?" [03:21], highlighting both AG’s and Lisa’s mutual, if slightly ridiculous, quests for fast food sponsorships.
• Ben bemoans the demolition of the iconic Sunset Arby's, while Ronnie pledges fealty to Whataburger: "I will fight for you, Whataburger. Call me. All the fast food" (Ronnie, [04:23]).

2. Brand Copycat Claims—Kérastase Wars

[05:28-07:38]

• A petty squabble erupts about which Housewife discovered luxury hair product Kérastase first. Lisa tries to assert credit, but Ben and Ronnie quickly turn this into mocking the franchise’s tendency for hyperbolic, product-centric ego trips.
• Notable quote: “So, everything everyone does is on your back?” (Ben, parodying Lisa, [06:01]).

3. Housewives as Pop Culture Icons—Famous Fans and Clip Packaging

[07:50-10:13]

• They lampoon the show’s popularity, with mentions of Julia Roberts, John Oliver, and, jokingly, Congressional citations. Ben jests about celebrity status: "...she’ll tell me because we’re of the same celebrity class, but won’t tell you because you are still reality stars" (Ben, [08:24]).
• The hosts point out that Bronwyn lacked iconic "reads" in the retrospective clip package and riff about her previously best moments—struggling to remember them for comedic effect.

4. Housewives Self-reflection—Vulnerability Monologues

[10:56-13:36]

• As Andy invites cast members to look back, Ben and Ronnie parody Whitney's commitment to "be vulnerable" and Heather Gay's saga from being beloved to maligned by fans.
• Notable quote: "I promised Justin...I would stand up for my vagina being exploited. And I did it" ([11:35]).

5. Mary’s Evolution and Lisa’s Worldview

[13:12-14:58]

• Mary reflects on her shifting place in the group ("I kind of fell in love with them" [13:36]) and Lisa claims she's "100% misunderstood," likening herself to Pink: "when Pink came out with that album called Misunderstood, I was like, oh my god, why is my face not on that album?" ([14:23]).
• Ben and Ronnie riff on Lisa’s claim to being “bilingual enough to understand fabulous," pushing her self-delusion as a hallmark.

6. Below Deck Crossover & CucumberGate

[18:44-23:36]

• The trio relives the crossover "bravo multiverse" trip with Below Deck. Ronnie jokes about Housewives being unaware they were even crossing over: "Is that some sort of home renovation show about adding decks to your house and then living below that deck?" ([19:13]).
• The infamous "cucumber situation" is roasted, as is Heather's endless denial of any serious flirtation with Captain Jason—only to admit mounting evidence: "We hung out every day...we had sex...but I don't understand why people think that" ([21:45]).
• Notable quote: "You did, Heather. You went on national TV and insinuate and basically said you f—ed around with Captain Jason. Yes, you did. You did scream it from the rooftops." (Ronnie, [23:36])

7. Bronwyn’s Sealed Lawsuit and Media Leaks

[24:53-25:34]

• Bronwyn addresses her notorious "sealed" lawsuit, explaining why she remains tight-lipped: "The case being sealed does not mean that I'm barred from talking about it...but it wasn't me who required the sealing" ([24:30]).
• Ronnie wittily dubs Bronwyn's explanations “Ziploc box law” and Ben pivots to the meta: the cycle of accusations about leaked information.
• The hosts mock Lisa's insistence that she's too busy with her lounges and federally-regulated businesses to leak anything: "I’m federally regulated!" (Lisa, [34:11]).

8. Tag Teams, Whisper Networks, and Screaming Matches

[26:25-28:57]

• The hosts delight in the absurdity of Housewives pairing off as “tag teams” both for support and attack, with the concept devolving into a parody of playground cliques. Everyone is accused of being in a tag team; nobody admits it.
• Ben snarks: "Apparently, I could have made a deal with Ursula and it would have been fine. There would be no movie because I…would lose my voice, and no one would care..." ([28:57]).

9. What Does Lisa Barlow Actually Do?

[34:53-39:25]

• Heather pointedly (and sarcastically) questions Lisa’s many business hustles: "What is Lux marketing and how do you make money?" ([34:53]), leading to Lisa’s defensive and zany explanation about incubating brands, selling to "the Bella triplets," and inviting Heather to Daniel Radcliffe events.
• Ronnie: "You met Harry Potter through me and you're going to pretend you don't know what I'm doing for a living? Whatever. Shut up, Heather." ([37:00])
• Ben astutely observes that Lisa, even when telling the truth, never sounds like it.

10. The Scroll Cliffhanger—Lisa’s Alleged Trolling

[43:17-45:25]

• Angie dramatically presents a scroll (a gift from Meredith) supposedly containing proof of Lisa trolling her, paralleling classic Bravo reunion exposés that promise drama but usually fizzle out: "In the history of big reveals like this…it’ll have like the same area code and that’s it." (Ben, [44:23])
• Ben and Ronnie speculate Lisa is likely "guilty" but acknowledge that everyone in SLC seems to have burner accounts.

11. Meta Commentary: Housewives Self-Producing & Show Trajectory

[46:01-48:35]

• Discussion closes with a sharp analysis of Heather’s overproducing tendencies—how Housewife self-awareness and calculated drama risk alienating audiences, despite fueling the spectacle.
• Ben’s warning: "When they find success...rather than just continuing to be themselves, they just try to replicate what worked in the past...even the best shows can plummet if people...start presenting what they think will be entertaining."

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Lisa’s Makeup & Fast Food Drama:

• “One of my lashes probably came off...one of those exploding lashes that had an ink sack...” — Lisa (paraphrased by Ben/Ronnie, [02:26])
• “I sent her to a work camp in Cambodia, and I think she’s doing really great...reverse Tippi Hedron.” — Ben mocking Lisa, [01:58]
• “If Arby’s comes up and says, we want to put you in a commercial, you’re gonna be like, sorry, I can’t do that, that’s like trolling Lisa. No, give me that bag...” — Ben, [03:40]

On Brand Ego-Clashes:

• “So, everything everyone does is on your back? … Do you want to skin me and be me?” — Ben/Parodying Lisa, [06:01]

On Crossover Chaos:

• “Is that some sort of home renovation show about adding decks to your house and then living below that deck?” — Ben, [19:13]

On Housewives Self-Reflection:

• “I promised Justin...I would stand up for my vagina being exploited. And I did it.” — Ronnie (mocking Whitney), [11:35]

On Business Confusion:

• “What is Lux marketing and how do you make money? … parties need plans? That doesn’t make sense.” — Ben (as Heather), [34:53]
• “You met Harry Potter through me and you’re going to pretend you don’t know what I do for a living? Whatever. Shut up, Heather.” — Ronnie, [37:00]

On Bronwyn’s Sealed Lawsuit:

• “The case being sealed does not mean that I’m barred from talking about it...” — Bronwyn, [24:30]
• “Ziploc box law…you can take your sandwiches. They’ll still be fresh two days later.” — Ronnie, [24:45]

On Lisa’s “Delusion”:

• “Delusion isn’t just a river in Egypt. So, like, think about that a little bit.” — Ben (as Lisa), [14:58]

On Tag Teams & Emotions:

• “Apparently, I could have made a deal with Ursula and it would have been fine…There would be no movie, because I would lose my voice, and no one would care…” — Ben (as Meredith), [28:57]

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Timestamps for Noteworthy Segments

• Lisa’s Makeup & Smoky Eye: [01:21-02:49]
• Fast Food/Brand Partnership Feud: [03:00-05:28]
• Kérastase Copycat Spat: [05:28-07:38]
• Clip Package & Celebrity Fans: [07:50-10:13]
• Whitney & Heather Monologues: [10:56-13:36]
• Mary’s Reflection & Lisa’s Delusion: [13:12-14:58]
• Below Deck Crossover/CucumberGate: [18:44-23:36]
• Bronwyn’s Lawsuit & Media Leaks: [24:53-25:34; 29:44-34:53]
• What Does Lisa Barlow Actually Do?: [34:53-39:25]
• Scroll-Proof Cliffhanger: [43:17-45:25]
• Meta Analysis on Producing: [46:01-48:35]

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Final Thoughts

Ben and Ronnie’s breakdown of RHOSLC Reunion Part 2 offers both razor-sharp comedic dissection and affectionate criticism. Their summary stands as a celebration of the franchise’s wildest personalities (Lisa, Heather, Angie, et al.) and a warning about reality TV’s dangerous flirtation with overproduction. Fans who missed the episode will savor the line-by-line hilarity—and understand why tag teams, scrolls, and luxury branding wars are the currency of Bravoverse reunions.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

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[C]

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[D]

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[C]

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[D]

Watch what happens.

[C]

Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Everyone, welcome back. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that. Let's get right back into the episode.

[D]

So Andy's like, okay, well, as anyone who's ever watched Whitney tried to do a wordle would say, we're not gonna solve this. So look, just stop talking. All right? We've, we've got a of comments from people about your smokey eye in the interview. Lisa, you want to talk about that?

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. So, I mean, it's like much lighter than everything. Okay, so, like, I'm in the glam chair and I'm, like, not paying attention anything at all. And like, I love my makeup artist and she's amazing and kind of sweet and everything to me and, like, you know, she just, like, messed up, you know.

[D]

Well, is she here with you today now? Has she worked with you again? Yes, she's. She's worked with me again. I sent her to a work camp in Cambodia, and I think she's doing really great. I've seen a lot of workers with smokey eyes and I mean, it basically looks like, you know, workers doing a tribute to the Heather Gay black eye moment in season two. Love you, girl. Season three or season four. I mean, I'm Reverse Tippy Hedron.

[C]

I'm reversed to Behedron. So Lisa Mary's like, well, why was your eye like that? She goes, well, I mean, I probably cried in the confessional, and, like, one of my lashes probably came off, and then it probably was one of those exploding lashes that had an ink sack in it. So it exploded all over my eye, and no one noticed because I saw that the rest of my face was so pretty. They were distracted. So it was like, an honest mistake.

[D]

Yeah, you know what? I went for a look, and it didn't land. It just didn't land. Sorry. Okay, well, Beverly from Hill says, angie, are you trolling Lisa with your Arby's and Codego partnerships? What is Codeigo?

[C]

I don't know what Codego is, but whatever the Arby's is, I'm probably. Probably not called Kadigo. Oh, is it Kadobo, maybe? Is it a Kadobo partnership?

[D]

I don't remember what he said.

[C]

Kadigo Kodobo. What? Any partnership that you have. Are you trolling Lisa?

[D]

Are you trolling Lisa with your dingo stole my baby partnership? And she's like, no, not at all. I've had some really amazing brand opportunities that came to me. He's like, oh, that seems like a sly troll. He seems like a slight troll.

[C]

It's not a troll if you get a. If you get like, a.

[D]

If.

[C]

The fast food company may be trolling Wendy's, but if Arby's comes up and says, we want to put you in a commercial, you're gonna be like, sorry, I can't do that. That's like trolling Lisa. It's like, no, give me. Give me that bag, and I will announce that we have the meats. Okay? And by the way, that is also a direct message to Arby's. If you need me to do some spawn con, I will, because I enjoy my Arby's, and I'm very upset that the Arby's on Sunset Boulevard has been demolished and the sign is nowhere to be seen. That was an iconic sign.

[D]

I mean, not for the sign being gone. I missed that sign too. But that place needed to be demolished. That bubbly meat is disgusting. And Wendy's. I'm here for Arby's.

[C]

Arby's. Mr. Arby, please don't listen to my podcast, partner. I will do your spawn con.

[D]

No, I think. I think. I think you should get an Arby's and I should take a Wendy's. No, even better yet, you know who I'll fight to the death for Whataburger. That's who I will go to the map for. They're amazing. And I will fight for you. Whataburger. Call me all the fast food.

[C]

Honestly, I'm not gonna lie. I'll do it all. Give it to me. Put it in my veins.

[D]

Yeah. Arby's is the only one I find completely revolting, but the other ones, I'll do. So I like that we're pretending we have a chance. Yes.

[C]

No one's listening.

[D]

All right, let's just. Let's just keep weighing our options here. You have no options. Angie's like, well, I could see why you would think that, but they're not going to come to come to me based off my line. Like, you do French fries, I do French fries. I mean, why wouldn't I do it? Why wouldn't I do it? I am Greek. And Andy says, well, what was your reaction to the Arby's ad? And Lisa's like, I didn't even see it. You know, I just found out, like, last night. Like, it was so funny. Like, last night I found out because, like, people have all benefited from my wins, so that's exciting for them. You know what? Good for you. You're welcome.

[C]

Uh, not really, but thank you, though. I am Greek.

[D]

Wait, Lisa's such a liar. I just found out last night. Come on.

[C]

No, she knows. We. We can brand. We can. We can do brand campaigns because of you. What? So you're the one who's been exploiting my vagina all this time?

[D]

I mean, if I were a credit card, I'd probably sue you for identity theft. It's like wanting to skin me and be me. Why don't you just try to be me? I mean, why don't you take off one of your eyelashes right now and blame your makeup person? Be me. Just do it.

[C]

Sweet. Okay. Okay. So everything everyone does is on your back. Is that what you're.

[D]

No, but, like, when you're copying everything I do, I mean, what do you want me to say?

[C]

Wow.

[D]

Wow.

[C]

Wow. So, okay, well, do you want to skin me and be me? When you did something with a brand that I've been partners with for 30 years and you've got your own product. Did you want to be NGK with Kara Stas?

[D]

I don't even have any idea what you use. You know what I mean? Like, I've never even heard it come out of your mouth. Like, I'm the one who said cara, so it came out of my Mouth. So I got it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You know, I'm sorry that Kara Stas is a bigger company now because of me. You know? You know who I just read a sorry letter to? Cara Stoss. I was like, I'm so sorry that you're richer now. You're welcome, Billy.

[C]

Lisa, I'm the one who gave you Kerastase for the first time. It's like, yes. She brings bags of Caristas to every event, just like the Pioneers did.

[D]

Oh, tag team. Tag team. They're tag teaming. I don't know about. I know about Karostos because of Angie. And I know. I know that's where you got it from. I know where you got it from. I mean, that's the only place it could have come from. It's from a place called Sephora. That's where it's from. That's where I got it from. I don't know what you people. I love that they're acting like only Angie has known what Cara Stoss is. Like, it could have only come from Angie Catsanevis.

[C]

The original Caristas influencer.

[D]

That's why this show's so funny. It's like, Lisa, you think that your success, everybody's success is off your back. No. Because the only reason anybody of us knows what a hair product is is because of Angie. So, Angie, everything is off of your back. That's right.

[C]

It's also the only show that can go from a fight about a lie about a miscarriage to I said carous thoughts first.

[D]

So. And welcome back, everybody. Okay, now we're gonna have. We've had a hundred episodes and a roster of famous fans like Rihanna, Julia Roberts, John Oliver, who crashed and burned when he said Meredith and Marx is wrong about everything a couple weeks ago, and it's been quoted in the halls of Congress. So let's go through the receipts. Prove time. Shut the up with the receipts. Proof time. Like, just shut up with that. I've had it. I've had it with it. I've had it. It's done. It's over.

[C]

Ha ha ha. Okay. Great clip package. What a journey. I mean, this show has become such a huge part of pop culture and landscape. I mean, it's gotta be wild to know that Julia Roberts has opinions about your show. That she'll tell me because we're of the same celebrity class, but won't tell you because you are still reality stars.

[D]

So I have to say, during this big clip that they showed, they were showing all their best moments and their great reads. And almost everyone had one, but Bronwyn didn't have one. I mean, they just had Bronwyn being like, oh, my. Like, I like your dress. Like, and there's reason.

[C]

Has good reads. I mean, Brahman has. I. I'm just. I can't.

[D]

Brahman doesn't have any, like, iconic lines from the show, does she? I can't think of any. She had something really good.

[C]

Like, she has. She's had some great clapbacks. You know, like, she's had some. I mean, at the very least, they could have had her reading the line, about one foot in the grave and one on a banana peel. I mean, like, she's.

[D]

That wasn't. That was.

[C]

We all know Bronwyn. Bronwyn can clap back really well. I just can't remember her clapbacks.

[D]

But either could the editors or anyone who makes gifts. What a coincidence. But I'm sure it's happened.

[C]

I don't know. I. I'm. Ron. Win is. I mean, she had that black credit card moment earlier in the season. That was a good one. Oh, no, that was last year. No, that was last year. She had that moment. The black credit card at the. At the. What's it called? The Breakfast at Tiffany's party. She had, like. She. Remember, she kind of, like, put Heather. Oh, you know, what about that thing? She also had that great moment and Palm in. In. In Palm Springs where she, like. She read Heather. No, not Heather. She read Lisa in the pool. I just don't remember. It's just. It's like my brain is mush. But it was like a really good moment. I was in all the trailers.

[D]

Hayes, dismissed. Tacos.

[C]

Okay, we gotta work on this now, okay, if we're gonna be attack time. All right.

[D]

Okay. What a journey. And Mary's like, wow, what a pinch me moment. Julia Roberts. That's, like, huge. Even though I don't approve of her playing a hooker that time, I just thought she wanted to dress. I didn't even know that movie was about being a hooker. So my husband told me.

[C]

Inbred woman. So.

[D]

So did you ever think you would make it to season six? Meredith, she's like, no, I thought my maximum would be five years. And maybe that would have been a good idea.

[C]

Okay, well, you know, Whitney, how do you look back at this experience? Well, when I started this show, I promised myself and I promised Justin that if I was going to do this, I would. Line.

[D]

You'd be vulnerable. Stupid. Just say you'd be vulnerable.

[C]

I'd be vulnerable. And Stupid and dumb.

[D]

That's stupid. God.

[C]

And then I would say something that would be so stupid. And then I would share what's. I said, you know what? When I signed that contract, I looked at that bottle of Hershey's syrup. I said, you're coming with me to stardom. Get on the floor.

[D]

I remember promising Justin that I would stand up for my vagina being exploited. And I did it.

[C]

I said, I'm gonna be real. More real than anyone else has been. Cause I'm a real housewife. And I'm the realest of the real.

[A]

Hey, it's Raj and Noah.

[B]

And we're back with a new season of Am I Doing It Wrong? The show that explores the all too human anxieties we have about trying to get our lives right.

[A]

Because we're still doing a lot of stu wrong.

[B]

But who isn't? That's why each week we're talking about the topics that we could all use a little helping hit with. Whether it's making new friends as an adult, managing our emotions, or even dreaming.

[A]

We'Ll be talking to experts in their fields who are definitely doing things right, so the rest of us can be a bit wiser and a lot better equipped to handle whatever life throws at us.

[B]

Subscribe now and listen to new episodes of Am I Doing It Wrong? Dropping every Thursday starting January 1st, wherever you get your podcasts.

[A]

And for the first time ever, we're going to have full video episodes on YouTube. Because as long as there are things to get wrong, we're to be right here to help you do them better.

[C]

Love y'. All.

[D]

Mary, when you started, I feel like you were defined by your unconventional relationship with your grandfather. And what's interesting now is that I would say of everything, like, it's kind of at the bottom of the paragraph. I mean, no one even cares that you're married to an old man anymore. It turns out Bronwyn's husband's FA has taken over. Would you like to thank Bronw husband Todd? Go ahead. Just say thank you right now, Mary.

[C]

Go on. Well, I, I, I, I don't know. I, I, I kind of felt like I wasn't part of the group, and they didn't include me in the beginning. And I mean, Meredith did. I mean, Meredith did. But, like, now I just feel like I see good in all of them. I see beauty in all of them. And I just want them to be able to take accountability and grow and evolve. And I feel like if I could say two words to help, I will. And I Just. I kind of fell in love with them. I don't know.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

You don't know what's come over me.

[D]

You told me that I couldn't be on this show anymore until I pretended to be nice to everybody. So I'm doing it. What the do you want from me? I am glad that she. I'm glad that she gave Meredith credit for being the only person nice to her, because that's true. And you are a Judas. So Andy's like, well, that's nice. So, Lisa, do you consider yourself after being this over six years? Yeah. I mean, it's basically 12, because, like, Lisa, Lisa. Lisa performs in, like, dog years. Like, it's amazing. Like, I just won best decade in television. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. But anyway, yeah, I, I, I do. I. I'm 100% misunderstood by viewers. They just don't get it. Like, they don't. They're not, like, bilingual enough to understand. Like, fabulous.

[C]

Yeah. Like, the trees got me, but, like, no one else. And, like, when Pink came out with that album called Misunderstood, I was like, oh, my gosh. Why is my face not on that album? Because that's me right now. I'm basically Pink. Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. You know what? Delusional. That's, like, a common theme that, like, people use that don't understand me. Because I'm not delusional. I'm, like, very grounded. Like, I'm a very hard worker. I love my family. I love my workers who love my family. I love my workers who, like, are making this part of my new home that, like, lets me touch the ground. It's called the floor. Everybody's gonna want them, Andy. Everybody's gonna want them.

[C]

You guys, delusion isn't just a river in Egypt. So, like, think about that a little bit.

[D]

Yeah, it's also a lake and the Adirondacks. Tang ting. Tang ting.

[C]

Okay, guys, I know you've all been waiting for a monologue, and here it is. Sisterhood. Get ready, because here it comes. I feel this rush of, I don't know, affection and pride. And I love that girl so much from season one. That was really, really hard. You know, I knew what they were me, which was, we love Heather Gay. She's so great. And that girl is gone. And I knew what people were saying, and I. I took it on the chin.

[D]

I took it on my old chin, and I got a new chin. So what do you think about that, America? What do you think about it?

[C]

And I didn't care because it was an opportunity of a lifetime. And even though I was at my lowest physically and emotionally and financially, but not fashionably, I just was gonna slip the opportunity. I wasn't gonna let it pass me by. Just like the opportunity was to not wear a bolero to jacket to a wedding. I was gonna make sure that I took it and do whatever I could with it. And even if it meant I'd become a three time New York Times best selling author, I would have to do it. And I did.

[D]

Regardless of people saying I didn't deserve to be there. I rose, I came through. Me. Heather Gay did the brave thing of taking on a role on Real Housewives. Wow, you're really gonna win the Pulitzer for that one. Jesus.

[C]

I like that she was talking. I mean, like, it's crazy that she's like, you know, I was at such a low point. I know what people were saying about me. And I have to assume that what she's meaning is that she was like fat shamed or body shamed or whatever. But like, also at that time, people loved Heather Gay. They were like, she's great. She's the star of the show. She's so wonderful. She's like an every woman, you know, like we all. She's like a great Greek chorus. So it's like she actually, it makes me actually a little sad. And if, if like she wasn't able to take away those, those comments that were said about her at that time because now actually the audience has. A very large part of the audience has turned against her. And it makes me kind of sad if she doesn't realize how actually she was beloved back then. And like, it feels like she's lost her way a little bit.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. I feel so sad. So Andy's like, okay, well, we're gonna leave it here. Here's to a hundred more episodes, by the way. God, I don't know. It hurts my butthole. I've got children. Okay, let's take a break. We're back. Okay. Ting, ting, ting. I have an announcement. Britney's joined us on the reunion stage, Brittany. And she's like, Britney's teeth come out. And they're like, I'm so happy to be here, Andy. And he goes, I know you are.

[C]

She's like, I mean, and I came with my emotional support Bear. Look, everyone, I brought a little build a bear. So Andy's like, does it speak? Oh my God. Thank you for asking me. Look, here's the message. I really do love you, Brittany, and I always will, no matter what happens. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, especially no matter what happens on the show.

[D]

I just came into another woman. Yeah.

[C]

So there's a tag team happening on.

[D]

That bear, by the way. I see Paris, I see France. I'm in a hooker's underpants. Yeah, Joker, print it. Send it to Britney. Print it in the bear.

[C]

So.

[D]

And he's like, he'll love you no matter what happens on the show. She's like, well, I don't know what that means. I mean, I guess so. I mean, let's just skip that second part. But that's okay. He does love me. He loves me. He loves me. Okay, let's move on. So this season, we had an Avengers style merging a Bravo multiverse with a historic crossover of Below Deck. Oh, everybody, let's talk about it. Let's see some glimpse from it.

[C]

So we see flashbacks that whole trip. And then Andy's like, okay, first of all, what was it like being on another show's turf? And, you know, they're all like, what was the other show Below Deck? Not familiar? Or is that a. Is that a. Is that some sort of home renovation show about adding decks to your house and then living below that deck? I'm not familiar with this other TV show, Andy.

[D]

We didn't even know we were on another show. We don't even notice cameras anymore. We don't even notice production crews. Like, we were just on a trip.

[C]

Wink, wink. Okay, well, are you worried about what the reverse point of view will reveal? You know, they're like. Like, why would we.

[D]

I'm not watching that show. Heather's. Heather and Angie are the only people watching that show. Everybody else is there. I don't watch that.

[C]

Mary's like, well, I think maybe Heather and Whitney might have something to worry about, especially with the cucumber situation when they're being unchased and we see flashbacks. The stupid cucumber. The cucumber thing. I'm already. I was done with it when it initially happened because it's like, why do we have to pretend like we don't know who the cucumber belongs to? You know whose luggage that is? You know whose room you're in. Why do we have to go with the stupid game? And it's going to come back next season on Below Deck. I'm not happy about it. So Heather's like, oh, we had a good time in our room. Don't even see the cameras around me.

[D]

And Britney, you sure had fun flirting with the deck hands. What are you doing? Not to make Jared jealous or what? She's like, it's so sad but true. Like, I didn't even know I was flirting until I watched it, guys. Then I was like, oh my gosh. And my daughter called. I just put it on silent and I just. Can I just say that Heather was probably the biggest flirt? Heather was the biggest flirt. Heather, you were bigger than me. No, you were.

[C]

I disagree. You were outrageous. That's crazy.

[D]

You were riding on.

[C]

Go ahead. No, I was just saying that, like, just because I grabbed on to the hunky torso of Captain Jason just to make sure I didn't drown. And by falling off the jet ski doesn't mean I'm a flirt. Did I whisper sweet nothings into his ear? Did I remind him that I was a three time New York Times best selling novelist and my next one was gonna be about a torrid love affair with a lady and a captain who on a charter maybe, But I wasn't flirting with him.

[D]

Yeah, but you were riding on his back. And she goes, well, that's what you do. That's part of water skiing. That's essential. That's just technique.

[C]

Okay, Heather, what is the final word on you and Captain Jason? Well, apparently the world has had large bandwidth for what the phrase around means. Because like, okay, we hung out like every day, we went to the clubs, we danced, we had sex. His penis went into my vagina. But like, I don't understand why people think that we actually had some sort of intercourse. He. He did me from behind.

[D]

We didn't mean we've actually literally around. And cut to the clip of Heather being like, oh God, we've already fucked around. There was nothing there. I don't know how people got that impression. It's crazy. So, you know, this morning I woke up when Captain Jason was inside of me and I said, it is gonna be so hilarious watching people think that we had sex today. Isn't that hilarious?

[C]

God, guys, did I. By the way, do I have anything in my teeth that may be left over of his chest hair that I was gnawing on this morning?

[D]

So you didn't kiss? And she goes, no. And we were very clear about that, Andy. When we were kissing, we were very clear about it. I said last month, okay, thing. Yeah. I just don't know how people got that impression. Andy. Nerd is like, wow. It didn't seem very clear to me. I mean, yeah, even. Even Todd's FUPA raised like a little tent, so it wasn't clear to me either.

[C]

Attack team, talk to you, Meredith. Good job, Good job. Listen, you guys I. You don't think that I would scream from the rooftops if I landed Captain Jason? Listen. You don't think. Just I would yell, despite everything I'm saying, we had long sessions of sex. I had sex with the hot cousin from Bravo. Even in a theoretical situation where it sounds like I'm saying I didn't have sex, trust that I had sex with him. You don't think I would yell that out loud?

[D]

You did, Heather. You went on national TV and insinuate and basically said you fucked around with Captain Jason. Yes, you did. You did scream it from the rooftops. So it was just, unfortunately for you, stolen valor. It was like stolen. Stolen dick valor.

[C]

All right, well, stolen valor says on Twitter, Bronwyn, just because a case is sealed doesn't mean a person can't talk about it. You just don't want to. And we know that you can be liberal with the truth. So what do you say to that, Bronwyn?

[D]

I like that we know that you can be liberal with the truth. She's like, well, okay, okay. I just want to remind everyone that I have long hair now. Okay, so, look, the case being sealed does not mean that I'm barred from talking about it. If I was the one who asked for it to be sealed, but I was not the one who asked for it to be sealed. And so I've learned with my husband and my daughter that I have to be very careful about how I bring other people's business into this group. So I will not talk about their sealed portion of this case because I've been requested, even though it's not required. But it wasn't me who required the sealing of the case of the Ziploc box. Seal things in. You can take your sandwiches. They'll still be fresh two days later. And that's all I'm saying about it. And I think that that was very forthright.

[C]

That was really good. So outside of the sealed case and the eviction, were there other cases filed against you?

[D]

Oh, good question. Good question. Okay, yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay. There was something that happened in my workplace, and the case was fully dismissed against the person it was about who wasn't me. And it was years ago. And I. Listen, Andy, I just got my citizenship this year. You think America' just letting anyone in here? I mean, we all know, okay, you could not get into America if you had a problem with the law. Unless I was running for the presidency, of course. I love America. It was sealed. It was sealed commercials. Here comes one right now.

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Whisper.

[C]

Whisper. Meredith. Hey, Meredith. Whisper. Okay. They weren't getting a reaction out of you until now, but now I'm done. Whisper, Meredith. And then Andy's like, hey, Meredith, have you heard about other lawsuits or charges? What are you guys whispering over there? Well, I haven't tracked any. That's okay. I heard there were multiple. Multiple situations, but I didn't pay that much attention, I'm sorry to say. Okay, but it seemed like you were just whispering right now during this whole thing, and I'm wondering, would you like to share with the class? Well, it wasn't about Broadway, and actually, it was something that needed to be noted in case we need to go back there at some point in time. So it was more like I put a sticky note on Lisa's forehead in the form of my whisper. That's what I did. She's my tag team partner.

[D]

Is this some sort of a tag team thing like Jason did with my boobs? Because I'm. I'm just saying this seems like a tag team thing. Would you say it's a tag team thing?

[C]

Oh, no. Do we look like we're running around the set playing tag? I don't think so.

[D]

We don't need to attack tame. We don't need to. Yeah, well, just saying that we might need to go back to. I mean, that seemed a little tag teamy to me. It seemed like that to me. You said I was.

[C]

We might. We. We as a group may need to go back to the point.

[D]

I just wanted to say it sounds like what's good for the goose. Might be good for the gander. Even though that's usually a phrase that refers to men and women. But whatever. Who cares? This is Salt Lake City. I'll say whatever I want to. I the gander. I the gander. Who is saying I the gander? That is insane.

[C]

You know, I'm sick of these allegations, and I'm gonna go back to my DJ set, starting with the song Whoop, There it is. Whoop, there it is. Hey, that's my tag team. Oh, I didn't realize that was their name.

[D]

I mean, you know what? It seems like you and you recruited a whole team, so why are you allowed to have a whole team, but we're not allowed to have a tag team? What's that about? I'm not supposed to speak to my friends, I guess.

[C]

Well.

[D]

Well, okay. Well, we know I'm not supposed to speak or feel. We know that already. Nobody wants Meredith Marks to have a feeling. So I guess I'll just sit over here and feel my thing. Okay.

[C]

Hey, everyone, if someone wants to shove me out into the cold, that's fine, because I apparently don't feel anything anyway. And if I wanted to do, I wouldn't be allowed to. So, sure, send me off to Antarctica and I'll do some scientific discoveries for you, because apparently I'm not allowed to feel anything.

[D]

Yeah, you should. Don't use your voice, Meredith. They don't like it when you use your voice.

[C]

Apparently, I'm not allowed to use my voice. Apparently, I could have made a deal with Ursula and it would have been fine. There would be no movie because I. I would lose my voice, and no one would care about what would happen next.

[D]

And Heather goes. Don't worry, she won't use her voice.

[C]

Heather, you don't have to do the Dun Dun Dun. We take care of it in post.

[D]

I didn't even do the Dun Dun Dun. I don't know why people are accusing me of Jason in the Dun Dun Duns. That is crazy.

[C]

And we're back. My son lost his tooth.

[D]

No one cares. Nobody cares.

[C]

Veneers. The tooth will set you free. Okay, welcome back. I'm Andy Cohen, and here with the glorious Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Do you all have your teeth? Or at least some veneers in.

[D]

Great.

[C]

I don't want to cry again. All right, Lisa, once and for all, did you leak information about Bronwyn's past to the press?

[D]

That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. That's so stupid. That's so ridiculous. I mean, whatever. Our. Well, okay, well, I, I, I don't. I'm not. What? Nope.

[C]

No, I was tag teaming by saying the last syllable of my tag team partner's words. Excuse me. Am I not allowed to say syllables anymore? Is that what it is?

[D]

Stop using your voice. Stop using your voice.

[C]

I hate it.

[D]

Okay, well, I don't think that Lisa leaked. I don't think she leaked it because leak is a very specific word. But I do think that she does make sure that the stories get traction about us when we fight with her. Mm, mm, mm.

[C]

That a lie. That's a lie. Okay. Okay. There's, like, some dumb stuff that comes up, like, on Twitter. Like, I can read. Okay. I was an early reader, so that makes me really good at reading tweets. So if people didn't. If people were wondering, can Lisa read tweets? The truth is, like, I. If tweet. If Twitter had been around, like, you know, years ago, I would have been able to retweets before you guys. So I'm like, an early reader. Yeah.

[D]

Sometimes I started reading it, like. Yeah, Like, I started reading at three and a half years old. It was crazy. Like, I was reading in the womb. I read my mom's belly button.

[C]

Someday you're gonna be able to read statements that are about 140 characters. And I was like, wow, I can do that because I'm three and a half years old and I can read already.

[D]

Just my mother. My mother's belly button was a retweet button. I kept kicking it. I'm sorry. You know what? I'm sorry.

[C]

Do you know what it's like to wait decades for technology to catch up with your reading skills? It's so hard.

[D]

But, you know, the thing that was troubling for me is that I was on Twitter before we went on the trip, and it wasn't really everywhere. And I know we all got tagged in it, but then while we were on the boat, somebody from the boat spoke to a media outlet and said Bronwyn was late because of those Twitter allegations. And you know what? That could have been somebody on the boat who knew I was late because of that. And that's what really pushed the story huge, was that I came supposedly late to the gas trip because of all of this. And who did. Who did that? Who did that from the boat? Boat. Who did that from the boat? That could have been anybody. That could have been production. And you did come to the boat late because of those allegations. You said it yourself. So who cares? Like, the Allegations were out there, and you just said they were already on Twitter.

[C]

Like, don't come to the boat late next time. Because you saw what happened when Lisa didn't even go the camping trip. Okay.

[D]

And you also did tell your husband Lisa had something to do with those rumors. You saw it. You.

[C]

You.

[D]

We saw it on camera. You did it on camera. We saw it on the television. Wrong. On when. Stop lying.

[C]

Of the leaks. Sorry to break it to you, but no one was thinking about you or what was going on with you. I was having the time of my La.

[D]

Taco.

[C]

You're really into the taco thing, Meredith.

[D]

It's like, I'm so hungry. I'm sorry, what? Am I not allowed to have a taco? I guess we all know Meredith Marks isn't allowed to have an opinion or a taco. Okay, sit over here. Quiet. And starving to death. Is my stomach allowed to speak? It's growling right now. Be quiet, stomach. You're not allowed to feel things. Okay. Okay.

[C]

Well, the only person I argued with on the boat was really you and Brittany. And I don't think it was Britney. I don't think she's smart enough to understand how to use a telephone. Like, cut to Brittany, like, combing her hair with a telephone somewhere. That's me.

[D]

You think I'm doing all this crazy stuff while I'm running a lounge and being a mom? Do you know how hard it is being a mom at the lounge? It's, like, so difficult.

[C]

I'm running a lounge. Do you know someone's gotta fluff pillows.

[D]

I'm just a mother. I'm a mother. A mother with a lounge. I don't have time for this. And I was like, it's not crazy. It's the click of a button. Well, you would know. And Lisa's like, it is crazy. And I don't have an arsenal on anyone. I don't give a fuck. Like, whatever. I'm a mother with a lounge. Oh, really? Then why do you have six attorneys, Lisa? And then why do you have cyber security if you're not leaking things? Why would you. Why do you. Why do you go the distance, Lisa? Why do you go the distance if you're not leaking things to Page Six?

[C]

Because I love Hercules, that's why. Okay, I'm sorry. Okay. When you've got a lot of lounges, you need a lot of lawyers. You need to have lawyers to have lounges, right? Isn't that what Karen Huger says? You have to. In order to lose lawyers, you've got to Lose lounges. Right? Am I doing it right?

[D]

You know what? Like, this is so ridiculous. Do you guys even know what businesses I do? Because I'm, like, federally federally regulated there. I'm federally regulated.

[C]

The Department of Interior lounges checks my lounges every single day.

[D]

You know what? They come and they grade my lounge. Like it gets between an a B or a C. That said, it's federally regulated. Okay? So I'm sorry, you guys can't deal with that.

[C]

Yeah, it's very scary. I have to send a report to Vince McMahon every single week, making sure that my lounge is clean. Otherwise, I get barred. Which is okay because I actually also have bars. So when you get barred in the lounge industry, you just turn your lounge into a bar. It works out, actually pretty well.

[D]

I don't even understand your business, Lisa Barlow. What is Lux marketing and how do you make money? I just don't understand it. I mean, you're an event planner. You're an event promoter. What are you. What, you don't know what Lisa does now? I mean, come on, Heather.

[C]

Okay, let me break it down for you the way we break down a high top when a big party comes in. Okay? Are you ready to listen? Are you ready to listen? Are you ready to listen, Heather?

[D]

Are you ready to talk? Yeah.

[C]

What do you do?

[D]

What do you even do? I don't even understand it. I mean, why do parties need plans? That doesn't even make any sense.

[C]

If you write a lot on. We incubate brands, okay? Until they become full size chickens. And I own companies, and I incubate the companies, and then I create a company with Bella twins. Yeah, the Bella twins. It's called nnb, which stands for Not a Bella, because I'm not a Bella, but it's my company. And then we sold it. We sold it, like, two or three years ago to, like, the Bella triplets. Haven't heard of them. Well, that's too bad, because we know about them and we sold it to them.

[D]

Yeah, it used to be the Bella triplets, but then I killed one to make the business stronger. And then we sold the business, and it exited beautifully. Sorry, triplets. Sorry. Just to make it into the branding. But I'm a brilliant brander. That's what I do, Heather. What do you do, Heather? She's like. I mean, look at my face. It says everything that I do. I'm a walking resume. What do you do? Bella twins. That's all. And Meredith's like, I was at multiple events for that. Three, actually. But one, we pretended Never happened. Okay, we got rid of that one. Well, I went to an event for that, but I heard you're not friends with any of them anymore. Oh, okay, so now you do know what she does. But the Bella twins hate her. Okay, so we're on to that.

[C]

God forbid.

[D]

She's like, no, I'm still talking. Yeah, you know what? Are you gonna listen? Are you gonna. I'm gonna tell you the same thing I told the triplet before she was axed. Are you gonna listen? No. Okay, bye. Goodbye. Good luck. Go see if you can join Hanson or something because you're done here.

[C]

I just. Lisa gets so mad. She's like, I've. You've been to events with Daniel Radcliffe and the Bella twins and now you don't know what the fuck it is? Get out of here. Like, I invited you to my Daniel Radcliffe event. Do you understand?

[D]

You met Harry Potter through me and you're going to pretend you don't know what I'm doing for a living? Whatever. Shut up, Heather. And she's like, well, I mean, I know that you sell tequila. Maybe you did that. She's like, oh, really? Are you really that disgusting that you're going to question how I make my money when you've been invited to events with Harry Potter?

[C]

Like, seriously, how could you do that? And Brahman's like, why is it disgusting to ask her a question? She says, bronwyn who? Every time someone asks her a question. Well, I actually think that, like, for you to ask that question is like, incredibly rude. Because, like, I'm here and I'm like, dealing. I've got my head in a fupa every single night and you don't even understand that.

[D]

I can't believe you're even asking me anything when we have a truce. And I have it sealed. And it's sealed and I'm a lawyer and some cheated. But he. I didn't cheat. I got the necklace. I didn't get the necklace. I never said I got the necklace. I did say I got the necklace. With some head full of bullshit explodes all over the stage. And by the way, you're tag teaming right now.

[C]

What'd you say?

[D]

By the way, you're tag teaming right now.

[C]

Yeah, so you know that Heather's like, but does anyone know. Does anyone know what Lux marketing does? Does anyone know? I'm like, to be fair, Lisa Barlow has been documented on Broadway many years ago. Marketing. Because Lily Galechi called up Lisa Barlow and asked Lisa Barlow to help her with her bathing suits. And that's on camera. And that clip is out there. I've seen it with my eyes. So Lisa has been working. She does work. So do you ever see that clip?

[D]

Yes, of course. We recap that clip.

[C]

Make sure. Just wanna make sure.

[D]

Yes, yes, I'm with you. I just don't want to. I'm just being quiet because I don't want to go too hard standing for Lisa's business when I'm. Hon. Honestly, I don't know. I looked it up. I can't tell. Fresh Wolf. The domain is for sale. You know, that stuff is true. I don't really know what she. I mean, she's a. She explains it now and I kind of get it better, but I just. The whole. I don't want to stand up for someone's business on Housewives because we've seen how that goes before. So I've just. I don't want to do that. But I will say, you know Heather, who's like, I'm all about women empowerment and women business. Like, her suggesting that Lisa. Lisa just is getting money fraudulently from. What is she suggesting? I guess I'm trying to figure out, like.

[C]

Like we never know where we stand with you. Like, she called her a risky friend earlier. Like, who are you? What are you? I don't get it.

[D]

Like, I think she's trying to insinuate that she's a crook. She's got all these things out against her of people that she owes money to. And Lisa's just a big fraud and her business is bullshit. Nobody even knows what she does. And she's got some Jen Shaw type fraud going on, I think is what Heather's insinuating. So. So I don't know. So. But I do like that she asked the question because it leads to a really good Lisa moment. So Lisa's like, I don't know you shit. You know what? I don't know you shit. And you know what? Andy, was that kind and friendly or was that a full accusation? Was it an accusation and he wasn't an accusation?

[C]

Well. Well, it was not an accusation. It was a question. It was not. It was not a question. It was an attack.

[D]

Yeah, it was an attack. It was an attack. And you know what? I do big things with big people. That's it. Like, I would even do things with Todd because he's so big. And, you know, I guess what, I'm a big fucking deal. And what do you do? What do you do, Bronwyn? What do you do? Because Todd says that you just spend his money like he sat there in Palm Springs and said, she's spending my money on a play. So what about that? And Bronwyn just stays quiet because that's true. Like, Bronwyn coming for someone about their job is hilarious. Like, okay, thanks for the pride plag. The pride flag I got in the mail. But, like, you're not allowed to be having this conversation until you get a fucking job, so.

[C]

And just to circle back, the reason why Heather brought up, like, what Lisa does for work is because when they were accusing Lisa of leaking the stuff to the media, then Lisa's like, no, I've got too much stuff going on, okay? I've got, like, jobs. I've got stuff to do. At which point then the. The discussion go, just pivots away from that to like, okay, well, then let's see the lie in this. They're just. Just trying to. They just always wanted to debunk Lisa at all times. And the reason why, because Lisa's really easy to debunk. It's. You know, she makes Lisa.

[D]

Lisa's one of those, like, even if she's telling the truth, even when she is telling the truth, it sounds like she's not because she's just get so defensive. I think she did a pretty good job at this reunion of. Of. She did a better job than usual, I think, because usually she's just flying off the handle. And this time I think she kind of had a handle on, like, at least answering people's questions kind of while she was fighting back. So she's like, yeah, that was an attack. And Todd said that about you. So it shuts prom one up. And then Andy's like, well, Heather, we saw a lot of posts on social media saying you were gaslighting Lisa, calling your friend one minute and then accusing her of being the source and everything the next minute. And she goes, yes, but what I was saying is that she is my friend and she is the source.

[C]

She's my sister and my daughter. So Andy's like, okay, well, what do you attribute the shift in your point of view to honor? It's like, look, I'm not friends with people who are perfect. I'm not friends with people that are actually even moral representations of what I aspire to. I'm friends with people who I'm friends with, and she's my friend, and she's been my friend, and we have history. So now Heather's gets to pull out the whole, like, essentially, I'm a ride or die. That's what this card is essentially saying. Like, yeah, despite everything she is to me, I'm. She still matters to me, right?

[D]

Like, it's bullshit.

[C]

You can't attack me. And she goes. She's absolutely still my friend. She's not a good friend, but she's an important friend. Which. What does that mean? Like, she's not a good. What does it mean to be an important friend but not a good friend? Like, it doesn't make any sense.

[D]

Heather's a terrible fucking friend. She is a terrible friend. And for her to sit up here and, like, say what friendship is, like, oh, she's a horrible friend. I came for all season. I just assumed. I just insinuated that her. That her business is fake and that everything she does is fault and that she's a criminal. But it's because I love her, Andy. I love her, and I'm a good friend of people. What are you. You. You're not a good friend to anybody. You are not a good friend of anybody up there, except possibly Whitney, because she does everything that you say, but everyone else up there, you've completely over whatever.

[C]

I'm over these false accusations and these labels. I am not the source. I am not the source. So then Andy's like, angie, you've known Lisa for a long time. What do you think? So Angie is like. Like, time for the prop. So she pulls out the scroll that Meredith gave her for her anniversary, and she's like, all right, you asked, and I have known Lisa, and I thought she was my friend. And then I found out that she was trolling me. Or should I say scrolling me? Get it? It's a pun, because I'm holding a scroll.

[D]

Yeah. And it's the scroll that Meredith gave her as a gift for her anniversary. And I love that she's, like, pulling out the scroll to use as a weapon against Meredith, this friend. Dun, dun, dun. Yeah, she was trolling me. And then she says, she's not the source. But if you open that and you can pass it down and you open your phone, the person trolling me has the same phone number that Lisa has. And Lisa just blinks in that guilty way. She's like, oh, yeah, what do you want to talk about the pictures you have on your phone? Then you want to talk about the pictures you have on your phone.

[C]

And it's a cliffhanger. We'll have to see what's on that scroll. I mean, in the history of big reveals like this, on reunions, it turns out, like, it'll have, like, the same area code, and that's It. And Andy would be like, but this is just the same as a Utah area code. But it could be her. You just. Look, call them.

[D]

I believe it's. I believe that she totally caught Lisa Trollinger. Like, the way they caught Jax when they did, like, a reverse lookup or whatever on Twitter and found Jax's number.

[C]

Trolling people.

[D]

Yeah, I. I think that there. I think that they'll probably prove that it was Lisa. That's my.

[C]

That will be quite fascinating. But I'm just saying, I'm so used to a lot of these cliffhanger reveals revealing absolutely nothing.

[D]

So, yeah, I'm, like, the messiest when it comes to this. I mean, you had Angie Harrington, who was. Had all those burners and was trolling people, and her husband was the account that was coming for Jen Shaw, and we found all that stuff out in that season, and. Which I'm sure Heather has had nothing to do with at all. So I always think this is funny when they come at each other with burner accounts, as if they don't all have armies of burner accounts.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

But still. Yeah, I think Lisa's guilty on that one. My guess is Lisa's guilty, but, yeah, what a fun time. What a bunch of Looney Tunes. The show. My gosh, Even the ones that make me crazy, I'm just so happy. Like, Heather makes me fucking crazy at this point, but I'm so happy she's on the show because they're so ridiculous. It makes the whole season of Heather worth it just to see that dress less, honestly.

[C]

Well, she don't. I mean, you know, we. We get mad at her for producing, and I. I do get mad at her for producing, but I also think that she's so smart. And, you know, she. She really. She does know how to keep it. Keep it moving, you know?

[D]

Well, get mad at her with. For producing, but then not also thank her for producing a good show.

[C]

Because I know if we're sitting here saying the show is so good and then we're, like, mad that she's producing.

[D]

I think it's just.

[C]

You know what? I think ultimately, when people get mad at Heather for producing, it's because she doesn't. She doesn't always kill it. Like, there are times where you're like, what? Stop producing in this moment. Like, let this be an authentic moment. Like, in the season finale, there was a really nice moment that was happening with Meredith, and Heather kind of just took a sledgehammer to it, and it just felt like, why? Like, can you, like, just, like, it doesn't have to be like this, you know?

[D]

Yeah. There's one argument that's like, well, someone needs that person who's moving the show along and. And gossiping about everybody and being a bad friend to everybody just to keep the show running. I don't think that that person is needed. I don't think that that's true about Housewives. I think that person is a disruptor. And sometimes that can be fun. You know, someone takes a piece of gossip and it becomes a fight. But I don't think Housewives need to be built on constant attacks. And I think that that's actually what killed the season, you know, is just them constantly attacking the people that they don't like. It's bad weather and it's just fucking obnoxious. Like, you've hired a bunch of crazy people. Just let them be crazy. Like we don't all need. Heather needs to have enough confidence in the cast that they can do things themselves without her trying to ruin their lives every season and then calling herself a good friend.

[C]

This is the unfortunate trajectory that all these Housewives shows or all reality shows seem to go on, which is that when they find success, you have the great seasons, but inevitably people become self aware of the success. And rather than just continuing to be themselves, they just try to replicate what worked in the past because they feel like they know what the audience wants. And then this is where we get into situations like Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, where it's just kind of Dullesville. I'm not saying this show is in danger of that, but I also know, like, Real Housewives of Potomac had that dreadful. Was it season 8? Like even the best shows can have precipitous plummet if people go from sharing their lives to presenting what they think will be entertaining for us and closing themselves off. They're still pretty raw on the show. But I feel like Heather is in danger of poisoning the situation. I think. I think you have to be really, really careful. You have to follow the Roni path, which it was ultimately like they knew what their job was, which was just to be themselves and say, fuck it, we're gonna throw ourselves into it and let's keep any self production. Let's like, let's just keep that to the side. We're flagging it now, which means there's time, there's still time to do something about it. About it.

[D]

Yeah. Well, it's been good so far. I am excited to see where the rest of the season reunions go. And we've got Two more of them. So we'll see you for the next one. Everybody, thanks so much for being here. We'll talk to you next time. Bye.

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