Co-host Mo (2:33)

So let's talk about it.

Ronnie (2:35)

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Ben (3:03)

I mean, sure, sure. I mean, how many more times can we say it's a dull season so far. So I'm just, at this point, I'm getting my jollies where I can get them. So if the producers, you know, put them at a restaurant at the airport in Sedona, I'll take it. I'll take that as a win.

Ronnie (3:22)

I felt so bad for them at the airport. I mean, that was horrible, the overhead lighting. And then when, when Amanda lifted up that menu and of those, like one page menus that's been like, what do you call it? Shellacked.

Ben (3:35)

When you like, it's like, no, no, no, it's. I have it. I have one of those machines. It's not shellac.

Ronnie (3:41)

No. So you should know what it is.

Ben (3:43)

Why can't I take the plastic and you put it in?

Ronnie (3:48)

Yeah, Laminated, and it's shiny. Laminated, like a laminated diner menu. I was like, o least glamorous trip ever. And that's crazy coming from Sutton because she's, you know, one of the money moneys. But as people pointed out, she's Sutton Brown now, so she's cheap. I like when Erica said, yeah, you.

Co-host Mo (4:06)

Know, I would rather Sutton Strack do this because she's not tacky. She's not a tacky bitch like Sutton Brown.

Ronnie (4:12)

All right.

Ben (4:15)

Erica, furious at the overhead lighting was kind of a dream for me also. Yeah, this, what's her face, Amanda. So I'm trying to figure out where I stand with her because on the one hand, she's so obnoxious. She really is awful. And that annoys me. But I do like that she annoys the other women. And I just don't know if her awfulness is something that's like, awful fun for me or awful awful for me. And I just. I haven't been able to make up my mind just yet. I. I'm starting to worry that she's just being awful, awful. You know, I'm afraid.

Ronnie (4:50)

I think it's fun watching her torture everybody because everyone really does hate her. And I, like, see the other ladies hold themselves so far above her, like they're so much better because, I mean, Amanda does have a level of tacky to her that the other Ladies don't quite get to. But, you know, you've got Jennifer, who's always bragging about her brands. You know, Jennifer is kind of tacky.

Co-host Mo (5:10)

With her whole, wow, look at this. This is Fendi, you know, so you've.

Ronnie (5:15)

Got her being kind of tacky, but she gets away with it because her personality is so cute and fun and, like, the tackiness is fun. And then you've got Kyle, who's obviously Burkin Skelly. So they're always bragging, all of them all. And a Dorit, especially the tackiest one of all. But Amanda makes it gross. You know, she just. She makes it gross.

Ben (5:37)

She doesn't understand the rhythm of proper bragging. Like, it's one thing. There's a way to brag where you're like, isn't this just fabulous? Oh, my God. Let me show you my fabulous thing where I love, I indulged, and I got this thing, and I'm so happy that I got it because I did it for me. Like, that's the vibe you want to put out. But Amanda's is very much just kind of like, I got this, and I have 10,000 more of them at home, you know, and it's just like, a little. Hers is just coming from, like, a thirstier place, but it does really, really annoy them, probably because they do, on some level, see a reflection of themselves. I mean, Kyle is. I would say, of the entire group, Kyle is the closest to Amanda in terms of the lack of cuth when it comes to brands. I mean, Kyle is so transparent, and she's so transparent about how envious she is, but other people's trinkets and baubles. So, like, she's very, very close to the Amanda spectrum. But, like, Jennifer. Jennifer Lopez. Jennifer Lopez, sure, but Jennifer Tilly. Like, you know, when she's. When she talks about her brands, it just sort of seems like she is. She's almost like a curator. She's like a hobbyist. And she goes in and she sees these things and she plucks it out, and it's part of her collection. It's fabulous and wonderful.

Ronnie (6:50)

Yeah, she's annoying, that one.

Ben (6:52)

That.

Ronnie (6:52)

Check. So let's get into it. This is season 15, episode 5, not feeling the Healing.

Ben (6:59)

Not feeling the Healing. Also, what's funny about this episode, really, the show in general, is how you sort of get the sense that, like, Kyle and Erica and others just think that their exploits in Sedona are just, like, so fabulous and so entertaining. Assuming it's just, like, all we can Talk about Friday morning. Not realizing that, like, every single social media timeline is only talking about the Traders this morning. Right. Like, no one is talking about Beverly Hills. No one. Poor Valley. Poor Valley. Persian style. I don't think people even know it's around. Like, why did Bravo premiere that show up against the Traders? Premiere, like, the first few episodes, the Traders is when everyone is the most fired up because you've got, like, the surplus of these episodes, and so everyone's Colton, you know, Michael. And it's like, I just love that, you know, Erica and Kyle and Dorit are, like, prancing through the desert with these looks. I just always feel like they think they are breaking the Internet. And it's like, it's so unbroken from them. It's hilarious to me.

Ronnie (7:58)

Well, if the Internet could break by falling asleep.

Ben (8:02)

Yeah.

Ronnie (8:03)

You know?

Ben (8:04)

Yeah, exactly.

Ronnie (8:05)

Like the Internet broke, it fell asleep and crashed into a tree. So, yeah.

Co-host Mo (8:08)

Whoops.

Ronnie (8:10)

So we open with shots of Sedona, which is gorgeous. You know, it's not Sedona's fault, But also, Sedona doesn't add any excitement to it. It's like, wow. You know, you see the beautiful scenery, and it's like, wow, that's. That's still beautiful.

Ben (8:22)

Yeah.

Ronnie (8:22)

But there's no, like, you know, shots of amazing, fun places that you want to be, so they're not helping. Sorry. Sedona get more entertaining. Okay. And they're at the little Daisy, home of a lot of dead miners who, as we remember from last week. And we start in Jennifer's room, and Jennifer, you know, solidifies her. Her place in the audience's heart by opening in bed, eating boxes of donuts and lace chips and Tums. She's got Tums with it all, too. Yep.

Ben (8:54)

And then her assistant comes in, and.

Co-host Mo (8:56)

She'S like, oh, donuts for me, please. Oh, good bacon. This is what Different. Thank you.

Ben (9:01)

And then we go to Amanda's room, and then she's just, like, on a zoom call, just sort of saying empty things about, like, you know, she's clearly talking.

Ronnie (9:11)

Boss girl. Yes, boss girl. Hashtag winning.

Co-host Mo (9:15)

Hashtag women only.

Ronnie (9:17)

Am I right? Hashtag manifest destinies.

Co-host Mo (9:20)

Okay.

Ben (9:23)

Yes, boss bitch. And then Bose's room.

Ronnie (9:27)

She actually says, like, whenever. I don't even believe. I think she's one of those people who walks around pretending to talk on her cell phone to sound important. And, yeah, we've all seen those people, so some of us have been those people. When you're bored in a mall and you're like, I'm not just bored, standing in front of the Apple store. I'm talking on the phone, but you're not really. And she does that because she says things like, yes, manifestation. Oh, by the way, we have six emails. Just send those today. Send emails.

Ben (9:53)

She's a very busy executive. Answering those six emails sounds super busy.

Ronnie (9:58)

Don't forget the emails. There are six of them.

Ben (10:02)

Then Bose, she's just in a room and Nico comes in and she's like, oh, I. I don't want that food right now at this very minute. He's like, oh, so you want me to. I'll take it back. Then she's like, thank you. And he just sort of stares at her and like laughs like, are you sure? Am I supposed to do this? I don't know what to do next.

Ronnie (10:20)

The whole plate of food. What am I supposed to tell the guy covered in like black ash outside, you know, standing at the buffet line? Tell that miner to take his food until I'm ready. So now we go to lobby. 1:30pm Guys, Sutton, Jennifer and Kyle are looking meeting up in country looks. They're wearing boots and straw hats and braids. And is that necessary? Is that required in Sedona to look like a tourist at the Saddle Ranch?

Ben (10:47)

Yes, yes it is. And then Jennifer has some. She's in pig, she's in pigtails or ponytails or something like that. And, and so is so like Kyle.

Co-host Mo (10:59)

It's like, oh my God, look at us, we are babsy twins.

Ben (11:01)

And Kyle's like, oh my God, you're making me jealous. I should have put my boots on Kyle forever.

Co-host Mo (11:07)

I put them on because this is my. I'm sorry, what were you saying? Ben? I didn't mean to over talk you. I thought you were finished.

Ben (11:14)

No, I said nothing really worth repeating. I just said that Kyle always jealous of people. That's it. It was not. Not exactly. It was as exciting as the episode.

Co-host Mo (11:26)

Well, I put them on. I put my boots on because this might be the only time I'm ever near a vortex. So I want the vortex to recognize me as a fabulous fellow. Fellow fabulous person.

Ben (11:43)

Kyle's like, yes. Kyle was not listening. So how can you say this is.

Ronnie (11:47)

The closest you've ever been to a vortex? When you're standing next to Kyle, she's like literally sucking all of the air out of the. Although you know what? Kyle's not being as annoying this season, I don't think. I mean, aside from the obvious like dorit not non support that she's giving, that's pretty Annoying. That's pretty annoying. But I mean, in the scale of, you know, Kyle to Kyle, I mean, I think she's. She's just kind of a medium right now.

Ben (12:15)

Well. Well, given that she's always in a space of annoying, maybe she's not, like, at the depths of her annoyingness. Maybe she's not fully in the vortex. Maybe she's in the part of the. Like, maybe she started to pull out of the vortex a little bit, but she's still baseline annoying for sure.

Ronnie (12:29)

Yeah. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

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Ronnie (13:02)

So now Jennifer is like, well, what is a vortex?

Co-host Mo (13:06)

Could it be a portal to another world? Am I gonna have revelations? Am I gonna vomit and collapse? I don't know what to expect, but thank God I look fabulous. So no matter what, I'm prepared.

Ronnie (13:23)

God, they're really relying. They're really relying on Jennifer this year. They're just like, just say anything about anything. What do you think about coasters?

Co-host Mo (13:30)

Our coasters, even for drinks, are our drinks for coasters. Think about it.

Ben (13:38)

Listen, if you're the board, if you're on the other end of that vortex and what pops out is Jennifer Tilly. Wow, you've really hit the jackpot. Like, how cool. I feel like normally you're just getting, like, tumbleweeds and an occasional cow, and then all of a sudden, boom. Jennifer Tilly. Like you. That's. You done some great vortex work then.

Ronnie (13:54)

Yeah, truly. I mean, shit, it would be nice to see Jennifer Tilly, but I'd rather the donut necklace she's wearing, you know, like, hand it over.

Co-host Mo (14:02)

I'm wearing a belt made out of Starburst candies and a bolo made out of lace chips.

Ben (14:09)

So, you know all those skeletons and poltergeist have been sitting there like, we got another little blonde girl. Can we try again? I hear there's a Jennifer Tilly out there.

Ronnie (14:21)

Kyle's like, oh, my God. Like, what if we get sucked in the vortex? Oh, Kyle, they'd spit you back out and ask for Paris. Are you kidding?

Ben (14:29)

I know, Kyle. Just so excited. She's like, should I tell the vortex I was in ER once? You think that will she just. She is actively looking for the vortex to be.

Ronnie (14:38)

Do you think that the vortex knows that Alicia Silverstone played my mother in a show that I wrote about her?

Ben (14:44)

Should I tell the vortex about Jamie Lee Curtis and how I know her? She won an Oscar now. So Sutton is like. Well, a vortex is a center of energy in the Earth, and there's different hubs all around the Earth, and Sedona is known to be one of the energy hubs, and the other is kind of wherever my mother is at any given time, just sort of sucking my energy out.

Ronnie (15:08)

You know, Someone who really loves. This is why I don't trust Sedona. Someone who really, really loves it. I could be wrong on this, but I think in my memory, it's correct, and I rely on my faulty memory.

Ben (15:19)

Christ.

Ronnie (15:21)

I don't know that.

Co-host Mo (15:21)

Christ.

Ronnie (15:23)

No, no, no, no, no. Fantastic.

Ben (15:26)

I can't hear what you're saying.

Ronnie (15:28)

It's Vaseline. How dare you. Oh, sorry. No, I'm saying that I'm relying on my faulty memory, even though I know it's probably wrong. But I think Shirley MacLaine is a big Sedona head, and, you know, like, her, like, out on a limb, and we've got multiple lives, and, you know, she had that period where she's all hippie dippy and stuff. But, like, there's a reason that Shirley MacLaine always plays the grumpiest lady on Earth in every movie that she's in. And I think it's because Sedona doesn't work. Just gonna say it, only it's like a. It's like a sugar pill, you know, that grumpy people are like, I'm gonna go to Sedona. And then they get there, and they're like, I heard there's a vortex. And. But at the end of the day, they're like, it's dry. It's hot. There's nowhere to eat other than the airport. This place. And then they go back to being in Steel Magnolias.

Ben (16:18)

Do you think Sedona and Santa Fe have, like, a West side Story thing going on? Like, Sharks versus Jets. Like, who can be the most? Like, hippie desert place.

Ronnie (16:27)

I would love to see just a.

Ben (16:29)

Bunch of old Lily Tomlin types wearing turquoise being like.

Ronnie (16:40)

It's like the street fight. But the weapons are rock deodorant.

Ben (16:43)

The weapons are poet. Like, just writing poems. The weapons are basically telling people about a good gallery down the street. You know, there's actually a very good gallery. The woman down there, she does great work. She does amazing things with the local turquoise. You really should check out her. Her stuff. It's. It's wonderful.

Co-host Mo (16:59)

Well, guess what?

Ben (16:59)

That gallery down there has amazing work. A potter. It's. She's a pottery person, but she also glazes her pottery with the dye of local fruits.

Ronnie (17:12)

Oh, really? Will I raise your local fruits with. We make our pottery with the spirits of dead miners.

Ben (17:22)

We make dream catchers out of local reeds. Just. Just locals giving advice on where to go in a battle. Battle way.

Ronnie (17:37)

So we see a picture of a mountain and then a red arrow pointing to one of the vortex hubs. Just point to. Just point to Erica. That's. That's the vortex.

Ben (17:47)

I know.

Ronnie (17:47)

We all know.

Ben (17:49)

So we go back to the lobby, the vortex.

Ronnie (17:52)

Amanda comes down. It's like, oh, hey, guys, I've got sunscreen in my Chanel backpack.

Ben (17:57)

Yeah, thanks for being very specific on its location, in case you're a worried. That was my Louis Vuitton backpack. Don't worry. This on screens and my Chanel backpack.

Ronnie (18:06)

Sutton just rolls her eyes.

Co-host Mo (18:07)

Like, that is just so tacky. Techy.

Ronnie (18:10)

She tells us, you know, if you're gonna do Chanel, Chanel couture is just so good, but backpack.

Co-host Mo (18:19)

Just.

Ronnie (18:19)

It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing. So, Rachel, congratulations. You got the cheapest thing in the store.

Ben (18:30)

So then Rachel sees Jennifer's bag, and she's like. She's like, oh, my God, I have that bag. I die. I die. I take that bag, and I was like, ka, I'm holding your moisturizer in my bag. Okay, Moisturize your face and then put it back in my bag, because I think Jennifer has the same bag. I wonder if she has the same moisturizer. Oh, my God. I die. I die.

Co-host Mo (18:47)

Well, every time I go to Santa Fe, I buy a fringe bag. They're big with fringe here.

Ronnie (18:54)

And she's like, yeah, well, mine is vintage Saint Laurent, and I thought that's what hers was. So. Yeah, like, just proof that we are as tacky as Amanda, but we're more fun about it. I like the juxtaposition of everyone being disgusted with Amanda to the ladies also bragging about their stuff, but it's not.

Ben (19:15)

Well, I think it's. It is totally the exact same thing. Like, she's bragging about she has a vintage Saint Laurent. And she's also not quite one. Upping, but being like, I belong here too. But I think the difference is, is that it's just all on the tone. It's just all in the tone. Like, there's no reason to bring up the Chanel backpack when you're talking about your sunscreen. The fact that she wedged it in there, that's where it goes wrong. Whereas Rachel, it's like, oh, I'd like to talk to you about your bag. I have a similar bag. I'm gonna bond with you over that. Whereas Amanda has no outreach in her bragging. Her outreach is just like, I have sunscreen if you're looking for it. It's my very expensive, non useful backpack that I really should swap out with a Patagonia thing from rei.

Ronnie (20:01)

Yeah. And like one backpack is bought by like styling celebrities, you know, and then the other, the other bag is bought because Simpsons money, you know, and then Amanda stuff is like, yeah, I tricked some housewife in the Midwest into giving me her husband's life savings, you know, to tell her to like rub a crystal ball and you know, say manifest a lot of times. Suckers, you know.

Ben (20:23)

Yeah, exactly. That's exactly right.

Ronnie (20:26)

So you just picture all the, all the broken down women who have been kind of screwed over and not manifested properly. Like boxes of old lularoe behind them, unsold, you know, oil burners.

Ben (20:38)

And so then, and then. And actually, to Erica's credit, Kathy then asks Erica, who makes those pants?

Co-host Mo (20:48)

She goes, pan, I think they're sun pants. They got the sunscreen in them.

Ben (20:53)

So that's great because she's both like one upping Amanda by being like, sunscreen, I don't need that. That's in my pants already.

Co-host Mo (21:01)

I've got sunscreen in my pants.

Ben (21:03)

But also like, it's, it's that kind.

Co-host Mo (21:06)

Of sunscreen's also a DJ out of Milwaukee. So women, that's my, that's my nickname for Shrek, which is a nickname for the old guy I'm banging.

Ben (21:18)

But also I think, like, that isn't that a little bit of like quiet luxury? The fact that she's like wearing paddock. Well, actually quiet luxury would be if she was wearing like a very like high end pant. But I think it's like kind of cool that Erica's wearing Patagonia pants. Like, because that's like, that's what you should be wearing on this. I don't like, really defensive about Patagonia.

Ronnie (21:38)

You're really gonna go, you're really gonna stump for Erica today. You're like, you know what? Erica's wearing Patagonia pants. And that supposed to do because I.

Ben (21:47)

Was walking outside in the negative 600 degree weather here in New York City, and it Was so cold, and I had my Patagonia jacket on, and I was so warm and I felt so taken care of. And I was like, I love Patagonia.

Ronnie (22:00)

That's why. Because you're in Patagonia, too.

Ben (22:02)

About Patagonia.

Ronnie (22:03)

And then.

Ben (22:05)

And I'm not. We're not even sponsored by Patagonia, everyone. Don't worry. This is not some ad. But, like. But I was, like, feeling really good about Patagonia. So then when I saw right now, I remembered that Erica actually was wearing Patagonia pants. I was. You know what? I always knew I liked Erica. She's been a great Housewife.

Ronnie (22:19)

Probably top 10 new fan, new fan alert. Oh, by the way, last week after the show, after we recorded the show, I was like, God, you know, I feel weird bringing up stuff about Shrek because I haven't really researched it that well, but I think he's kind of an asshole. So I researched Erica's boyfriend, and there's a lot of articles about stolen valor and how he's apparently, like, told all these lies about stuff that he's done in the military or exaggerated stuff. And we were kind of. Of laughing about that. But then after I got off the phone with you, I was laughing because I was like, is it Erica's Stolen Valor season? Because Erica's pretending that she's always been a DJ too. And that's kind of like Stolen DJ Valor, where she's like, I'm going back to my roots.

Co-host Mo (23:03)

I'm going to DJ again. Erica's back to DJing.

Ronnie (23:06)

We're like, we've been watching this show for like a decade and a half, and you're not a DJ and you've never been a dj. Why are you pretending that you were a dj? So do you think Erica has Stolen Valor? Tell me. Stolen DJ Valor.

Ben (23:19)

I think they all have Stolen Valor. Otherwise they wouldn't be on this show. Except for Jennifer Tilly. She's just having fun, right? If they had real valor, they'd be doing something more, you know, exciting with their lives.

Ronnie (23:30)

Carl has stolen house valor.

Ben (23:35)

So many stolen ballots.

Co-host Mo (23:36)

Kyle.

Ben (23:37)

I mean, how many things have we. Kyle has stolen lvp. Valor. Can't spell LVP without V in the middle. Lisa Valor de Pump. Yeah, I. I don't. I. I think, like, that's very much what this show actually. Believe it. I'm joking, but I think there is something about that. This is very much a show about people sizing each other up and envying what they have and sort of duking it. Out in the lobbies of various hotels as they show off their latest look and try to be the supreme. And I think that was all. That's all comes back to stolen valor on some. On some level, right?

Ronnie (24:13)

I like it. I'll. Let's working theory. I'll go with it.

Ben (24:15)

Like, off the. Off the cuff theory.

Ronnie (24:16)

It's a good, like, beginning of the season working theory, so we'll see how it pans out. So Rachel is, like, going hiking is not an option for me right now. I don't even have shoes to hike. Like, what is this? This is a hiking caftown. I'm in. Like, come on, stop. Like, I can.

Ben (24:33)

Apparently, being interesting is also not an option for her. I just like to add. So the producer is like, but would you ever be caught dead in tennis shoes? She's like, I'd wear tennis shoes to play tennis. But, like, even then, the last time I played tennis, I was in Louboutin wedges. You know, the fashion seasons of Beverly Hills are really the worst. I'm just. It's just when they don't have anything, they just rely on these fashion quips and moments. And honestly, I just. Does anyone really care? I do not care. Unless it's Patagonia, apparently, but I do not care.

Ronnie (25:07)

You know, normally, I would agree with you. I don't mind with Rachel because that's, like, her thing. And I think her reads are pretty funny. Like when she kind of reads everybody on the plane for their fashion and stuff like that. Like, I find her amusing, but I also find it amusing when someone's like, yeah, fashion's my thing. And they're dressed like they're gonna get a haircut in heaven. You know, like they're.

Ben (25:27)

They're playing Jesus at the Hollywood Bowl. No, I do. Like, I. I'm with you. I like her fashion reads when she actually musters the energy to do them. But like, me here listening to her be like, last time I played tennis, I was in Louboutin wedges. I'm like, oh, okay, great. So then I give it, then I take it, the way I sit here. And I applaud Erica for being humble enough to wear Patagonia pants at the moment. That Rachel Zoe.

Ronnie (25:54)

No kidding.

Ben (25:56)

Really? My window of generosity is closed.

Ronnie (25:59)

You're really coming for Rachel? You're like, you know what? Call me when you get a Patagonia, you know, caftan.

Ben (26:04)

You know what? I'm more coming. I'm coming not for Rachel. I'm coming for the concept of Rachel, because I do think that sometimes this show does rest on its laurels for thinking it's more fabulous than it is. And I think that's what the core of it is, is that there's. Sometimes this show teeters into complacency, where they say, we're so wealthy, we're wearing such fabulous outfits, we associate with such fabulous brands that we don't really have to do much because you're going to be so impressed. That's how I feel when I watch the show sometimes. And when I see other shows working so much harder and doing so much better, I just am like, it's just not enough for me to hear, like, a quip about your Louboutins. You know, put some sunscreen into your pants and get to work.

Ronnie (26:53)

Yeah. You know, get some SPF on your couch, and then we'll be there for you, Ms. Zoe.

Ben (27:01)

Yeah, no, it's more. That's more of a message to the producers, I think. It's actually when I say the concept of Rachel Zoe is that the producers were like, oh, my God, she's fabulous.

Co-host Mo (27:09)

She's.

Ben (27:09)

You know, she's so fashionable. It's gonna be great. It's like, actually, I need something more than that she's fashionable and that we know who she is. I need someone who is going to bring this show alive because they do have the raw talent. But when the raw talent when. When the. Like, we need this tank needs more than 50 in the. In the. In 50 in the tank.

Ronnie (27:31)

Build my tank. Get a job. So we go back to the lobby, and Sutton's like, we are gonna go hiking, and then we're gonna come back later, and we're gonna make dinner. And if we're not here later, we're inside the vortex. The vertex. The ver. The. The floor takes.

Ben (27:44)

What is it?

Ronnie (27:45)

And Amanda's like, vortex. Okay, we'll be in the vortex, and then we'll meet back up tonight. Chanel. Chanel backpack. Okay, bye. So outside the Little Daisy, we meet the tour guides, Sean and Chris. And they've got pink Jeeps labeled Pink Jeep Tours. And, you know, at home, LVP is like, oh, really? So we're driving around in the. The sir Car now, are we?

Ben (28:12)

Oh, poor Kyle.

Ronnie (28:13)

Poor, needy, needy little Kyle.

Ben (28:17)

Kyle is gonna show up with a Sedona pink Jeep soon in her Encino home. Like, what? I just really like it, and I actually ordered it beforehand. And, like, I really need a car for Bambi.

Ronnie (28:25)

So, Jennifer, shop anywhere.

Ben (28:28)

I can shop anywhere. Even on a tour through the vortex. Can I Buy this. I love shopping. I love. Can this be made into a hat? Because I love hats. I just want to remind everyone that storyline's coming back.

Ronnie (28:39)

Kyle, how come Stormy hasn't been seen on camera? Oh, I brought the vortex to the backyard. I haven't found Stormy yet, but really like that. I can shop anywhere.

Ben (28:49)

The dogs are like, we knew. We knew if we waited long enough, we wouldn't have to escape the house. We would just be escaped into the house.

Ronnie (28:57)

We've been eaten by the vortex house.

Ben (29:01)

Jennifer is like, oh, my God.

Co-host Mo (29:03)

I've never been in such a fabulous jeep. Like, this is so Beverly Hills. A pink Jeep. I mean, wait, wait. Take us to the vortex. I brought my crystal so I can charge it.

Ronnie (29:15)

Now. We start seeing in this episode Jennifer possibly becoming the most annoying housewife to the other ladies. And I think Jennifer should be thankful that Amanda's on this season because Jennifer, I think, would be on everyone's radar. Radar as someone to shut the fuck up right after watching this episode. Because, wow, she never stops. She's just like. They go to the things like, wow, look at that.

Co-host Mo (29:38)

Is that a rock? Is that a magical rock or just a regular rock? Did the Sedona rocks taste anything like donuts? It doesn't. You'll chip a tooth. Watch out for the rocks. Don't eat the rocks. Note to self.

Ronnie (29:52)

Just talking, yapping, yapping, yapping, yapping.

Ben (29:55)

But you know what's funny to me? The reason why she probably annoys people is not just because she talks so much, but I get the sense that Jennifer is actually witty, or at least she aspires to be witty, you know? And like, that's. That's a concept that has never been present on Real Housewives.

Co-host Mo (30:10)

Mo.

Ben (30:10)

Lisa Vanderpump has in her prime could be witty. But, like, I think Jennifer is, like, trying to be witty. And I think Jennifer also is pretty worldly. I think she's. She's interested in art. She's interested in the world at large, hence worldly.

Co-host Mo (30:23)

And.

Ben (30:24)

And that's like something that Kyle is just. Is not. And I think that.

Ronnie (30:27)

That you're just coming for Kyle every. Every scene. We're not even talk. Kyle's not even close to here.

Ben (30:33)

She is. There's a vortex that connects them back to the little Daisy.

Ronnie (30:36)

You are. You are.

Ben (30:39)

Are you about to defend Kyle Richards?

Progressive Insurance Announcer (30:40)

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Ben (30:41)

No, just.

Ronnie (30:41)

You really. You've really got Kyle in your trunk today. You're like, hey, pull over to the side of the road, open the trunk. Kyle, you still Kyle. We're going over a speed bump now, Kyle.

Ben (30:55)

Maybe Kyle Richards should talk less about cowboy hats and more about Patagonia Windbreakers. I'm in that mood. What can. You know what? Honestly, I'm not gonna.

Ronnie (31:10)

Don't apologize.

Ben (31:11)

Don't.

Ronnie (31:11)

Oh, well, you didn't.

Ben (31:12)

Fired. I'm not. I probably will apologize because it's me, but I'm so fired up about the traitors that I'm just projecting so much emotion into this recap right now. I am not even joking. I spent 90 minutes last night on Twitter and Threads. I spent, like, two hours this morning also on it being like, that's what I said. That's why I said, I agree. I agree completely. I can't wait to talk about. So I'm just, like, pouring it all into, like, right now in my mind, talking about that everything's merging. Talking about a vortex. As we're recapping this, I'm like, well, you guys all saw the traitors last night. Kyle Richards came on there. She bragged about her clothes and acted like she was cool for wearing a hat, and then she wound up not even getting voted off. Like, that's. That's the narrative I had right now.

Ronnie (31:59)

So back in the lobby, Dorit greets Bose and Rachel because they're like another crew. They're the shopping crew. And Dorit's like, congratulations. On what?

Co-host Mo (32:09)

On Rachel getting her luggage. That's a very big deal.

Ronnie (32:12)

And they're like, okay, so let's go shopping. So Kathy's also with them. And Kathy's like, wait a minute. Everything's really far from here, right? I mean, are they even gonna be open? Do we have to go? Rachel's like, kathy, yeah, it's far away. Like, we're on top of a mountain.

Co-host Mo (32:29)

No.

Ben (32:30)

Yeah. Okay, well, I'm wealthy, so I'm gonna stay back. I'm tired. So she leaves, and then the pink jeeps are going through, headed to the vortex, and Jennifer's like, Sutton's sitting there like, God damn it. Why did I bring this woman onto my TV show? She's ruining everything.

Co-host Mo (32:52)

Control yourself, Jennifer. We're trying to have a relaxing, meditative ride to the vortex. Vortex rhymes with Hortex Horizontet. Those are working girls with two jobs. Cortex. I like that one personally. Do you know any store around here that sells Skittles? They're my caviar.

Ronnie (33:16)

It's like, show up.

Ben (33:19)

Then meanwhile, the ladies. The other ladies are in a car, and they're heading into town. We see a sign that Says Entering Jerome, which is the same.

Ronnie (33:26)

Been there.

Ben (33:28)

I was going to say the same name as probably Mikey Minden's biography at some point. Sabo's like, well, I'm glad it's just the three of us. I really love you all. You know, Nico's like, I'm here, too. I'm just sitting underneath you.

Co-host Mo (33:43)

I can't breathe. They wouldn't take back this breakfast plate.

Ben (33:46)

So whenever you're ready, the crisp eggs are soggy. I won't eat them. So that was an insight into my childhood. At the time. I would not eat the bowl of Crispex because they got too soggy. And my mom put them in container. My mom. Yeah, well, my mom put them in a little plastic container. Because the thing is, I think I've told the story before. I saw an ad for Chris Specs in, like, Time magazine, and it was, like, the most beautiful cereal I'd ever seen. This beautiful, like, hexagon with, like, lattice work and everything. I was like, I must have it. And I, like, begged my mom to get crispex. My mom poured me a bowl of Chris Specs and, you know, put the milk in it. And I ate it so slowly that, like, halfway through, it got so soggy. So I didn't want to eat it anymore. And my mom's like, you're going to eat that? You just made me. You have been hounding me for Chris Baxter all the time. You're eating it. I was like, but it's soggy, Mom. And my mom took the bowl and she poured it into, like, a little Tupperware thing. She made me carry it around the entire day as we did. Like, my mom had to go to the bank and everything. And I sat there in the car with it, and I refused to eat it. And I will always remember this traumatic crisp, soggy Crispex bowl. And then I finally got home, and my brother was like, ben. And he just poured more Crispex into it, which, like, was more crispy Crispex. And it came back to life, and I finished my bowl of Crispex. So thanks to my brother for saving the day.

Ronnie (35:03)

That was a rough time. Yeah, it was a rough time. And you know who stands for Soggy Crispex, Kyle? Probably.

Ben (35:12)

Oh, the Chief. Chief Soggy Crispex. She is a Soggy Crispix. But also, I gotta say, I love that my mom did that to me. I love that my mom was like, no, you're carrying around this Chris Bex all throughout Caton in New York. Whether you like it or not, you're.

Ronnie (35:27)

Gonna take this Crisp mix. You're gonna eat it. I bought this. Chris mix.

Ben (35:32)

Yes.

Ronnie (35:32)

You're gonna love the crisp.

Ben (35:34)

Fucking Kyle Richards though. Am I right? Commercials.

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Ben (36:22)

Now we go to. She really has. So Rachel is like, yeah, Kathy. So Kathy's not with us. She needed, like, a beat. She's just like my mother. She stays up to, like, the most ungodly hours and I could hear her footsteps at 4am so she needs to, like, sit with her fan and, like, take a rest. That was Rachel's way of saying, that fucking bitch woke me up at 4am pounding her feet into the floor right over my head and I couldn't get an ounce of sleep.

Ronnie (36:49)

Yeah. And we see Kathy in her room just scrolling on her phone like, that is hilarious. Well, she's brought her own pillows from home. She's got her white noise machine. I mean, that woman knows how to vacation.

Ben (37:02)

She really does. She's having a great time. So back in Jerome, Rachel is like, oh, my God, this is a Sedona store. Oh, my God. This is like, exactly what I wanted. Hi, can I see your Sedona stuff? This is amazing. And they all start looking at kaleidoscopes. Their brains are broken by the kaleidoscopes. You've never seen more Silent Housewives than you have seen these three look at.

Ronnie (37:25)

They've never seen a kaleidoscope before. I thought it was really funny. And then someone goes, I think it was Bose. Yeah, Bose goes, so do the kaleidoscopes repeat patterns? They're like, yeah.

Ben (37:38)

I felt like they should have been playing the Edward Scissorhands music while they looked. They were so in awe. It was like.

Ronnie (37:50)

They were very fancy kaleidoscopes. Like, it was like the Kaleidoscope workshop. Like, we saw all the ladies back there with, like, their metal working machines and their, you know, diamond glasses that they're wearing. Like they're checking out diamonds. Like, ooh, just getting this kaleidoscope perfect. They're all Lisa Vanderpump back there, like, just working on a world of magic and illumination.

Ben (38:16)

Rachel's like, oh, my God. Everything. Everything here is art. Everything is art. Oh, my God. Wonder Woman. Dorit. It's Wonder Woman.

Ronnie (38:24)

Like, when she looks at. She looks at her own jewelry through the kaleidoscope, she's like, oh, my God, my bracelets. To die. To die. Just died looking at my own bracelet.

Ben (38:33)

I died. I just died. I just. Oh, my God, it's like 12 of them. Oh, my God. I can't wait to tell Jen Garner. Oh, my God, I die.

Co-host Mo (38:38)

Oh, Wonder Woman was my favorite. I love Wonder Woman.

Ronnie (38:42)

Me too. I dressed up like her all the time. I'd, like, put on gold bracelets. I've been wearing them ever since. It's like if Wonder Woman just wore, like, a caftan every once in a while. I just wanted to meet Lynda Carter so I could say, like, loosen up. You know what I mean?

Ben (38:57)

You know, when Rachel Zoe made that joke, it made me wonder. If Zoe makes a joke in the forest and there's no gay there to laugh, did she ever make a joke at all? Because I felt like that was, like, the sort of joke where normally when she's with her gays, like, oh, my God, I die. Rachel. Oh, my God. She's been wearing the Bengals ever since. But, like, here in the store, it's just like, I've been wearing them ever since.

Co-host Mo (39:16)

I don't get it.

Ben (39:18)

Because I wear bangles. You. You.

Co-host Mo (39:22)

You. But they're a band. How do you wear a band on your hands?

Ben (39:25)

Walk like an Egyptian. No, no. It's a type of bracelet to read. Still don't understand.

Co-host Mo (39:30)

Anyway, looking at other things. Thank you.

Ronnie (39:32)

Talk about manic Monday. Am I right?

Co-host Mo (39:37)

A chain of flame. That's what PK always asks for when we make smalls.

Ben (39:43)

So Dorit is. Dorit has found a globe. She found some sort of. And by the way, there's, like, lots of fun stuff in there. But this is, by and large, a tourist trap shop, right? Like, it's just, like, you know, southwestern trinkets and, you know, turquoise.

Ronnie (39:55)

It's like a weird magic shop or something because she gets a globe, but it's like a globe that's inside a ball. And so when you move your hand, it looks like you're moving. It's like a labyrinth, you know, where it's like a David Bowie thing where it looks like you're doing all this magic stuff with the ball. It's like, oh, look at this.

Co-host Mo (40:11)

Jesus, I've got a Wound in me hands. The babe. The babe has the power. What's power? What power?

Ben (40:18)

Like, literally, like, what power?

Co-host Mo (40:20)

Power of voodoo.

Ben (40:21)

Voodoo hoodoo. You do. Sorry, that was my. I'm cracked out. I. I've got no other French Sinatra in there. No, that was. That was Rachel Zoe and Dorit singing the song from Labyrinth. And I did it as a one man rendition and it was horrifying. I apologize. I. I don't. I guess it's really hard. Once you tell a good crispic story, it's really hard to follow up.

Ronnie (40:52)

So. By the way, Dorit pays $482.24 for that fucking globe. Dorit, hi, this is Ronnie. I know we're not friends, but I do like you and I just wanted to inform you. You're broke.

Ben (41:06)

You're broke.

Ronnie (41:07)

Okay, stop it.

Ben (41:09)

Yes, but she has a properly oriented globe at all times. So she may be broke, but at least she always sees the world right side up. So Rachel's like, they leave the store and she's like, I'm dead. No, like, literally, I died. A kaleidoscope fell on my head. I died. And right now you're just seeing an angel version of me, which is good because I'm dressed like a little angel. Like, but I literally, I'm like a dead soul. I'm going to haunt you, but I'm going to haunt you in Lubitans. It's going to be so chic.

Ronnie (41:36)

I'll probably be like haunting you like while I'm playing tennis and like Loubouton wedges.

Ben (41:40)

So if you're seeing eight of me, that means you're probably looking at me through your kaleidoscope, but I'm still dead.

Ronnie (41:47)

Okay, let's go to another store. Cuz there's like so many stores here. Like, I just want to see more Sedona stores. Like, I need it. Like, there's so many. It's like a caftan heavy town. Like, I'm into it. Do I live here? Do I live here now? Like, did I just move here? My citizen of Sedona. Fucking caftans. I love it here. And Bose is like, yeah, actually I'd like some wine. I saw a winery. She's like, yeah, okay. Wow. I clocked a crystal shop and you clocked a vineyard. Priorities.

Ben (42:12)

Wow, that's wild. So deep. I'm so crazy right now. I'm like, the way. The way that I like, clocked the crystal shop and the way you did that, like, the way I can admit that I'm like, so Vulnerable. This is, like, maybe the most vulnerable I've ever been. Like, I'm dead. I'm dead of vulnerability.

Ronnie (42:29)

So the other ladies at the airport, Mesa Vortex Trail, the temperature is 102 degrees, which is crazy. What kind of trip is this?

Ben (42:39)

How did.

Ronnie (42:39)

How is this Sutton's trip? This seems like an Erica trip, you.

Co-host Mo (42:42)

Know, like, all right, here we are. Where to park? Just go walk around. I don't give a. Do whatever you want to. What do I care? Just drop them off on the side of the road. Let's do a Real Housewives of Salt Lake City style.

Ben (42:53)

Just.

Co-host Mo (42:53)

Just pull over on the side of the road. Let's just talk, have some sandwiches.

Ronnie (42:57)

But this is Sutton. Come on, Sutton. 102 degrees, climbing up a hill.

Ben (43:02)

None of them break a sweat. Well, Jennifer sort of broke a sweat, but, like, how did none of them break a sweat? I think. I think they're lying. I think it was 72 degrees.

Ronnie (43:10)

I mean, say Jennifer had a full. I'm surprised Jennifer even made it up that hill. You just see her, like, on her hands and knees, just like.

Ben (43:20)

It was mad.

Ronnie (43:24)

This is.

Ben (43:25)

I was expecting her to be captured and brought to Tina Turner. Like, this was an end of the world, like, post apocalyptic that was going on over there. So. So sh. They get there, and Sean's basically saying they're as. They're hiking. He's saying that. Oh, wow. Like, some. In the 60s and the 70s, some psychics and gurus said that this. There's like, some electromagnetic energy here. Blah, blah, blah. Vortex, you know, Jennifer's like, I'm feeling really good energy.

Co-host Mo (43:53)

Charmed, charmed, I'm sure. Charmed.

Ronnie (43:57)

Just talking the entire time.

Co-host Mo (44:00)

Look at all the houses down below. I noticed there aren't a lot of swimming pools here in Sedona. That's sad. They are difficult to clean, though. Probably with so much dust. It would be terrible. Terrible. But who lives without a swimming pool? Am I right? Is that a bumblebee? Hello, bumblebee. See, I've always been friends with bumblebees. I used to know the girl. My sister was up for the commercial of the tuna, which had nothing to do with the bees at all, did it? It was a fish. Tuna is a fish. I told her.

Ronnie (44:35)

Please shut up.

Ben (44:38)

Amanda's like, my Chanel backpack would like to ask, is she always this talkative? And Erica's like, yeah, this is why.

Co-host Mo (44:46)

She'S an Oscar nominated actress.

Ronnie (44:49)

Because she talks a lot. Like, how does that make sense?

Co-host Mo (44:52)

She goes, yeah, you know, not to be rude. I know She's a millennial and everything, but doesn't matter. Even though Jennifer Tilly is.

Ben (45:02)

I mean, I hate to be rude, too, but did any of you people know who she was before she showed up on the show? Because I feel like none of them really did know who she was either. Okay, the real. The real ones are the ones who know. So then they're hiking, and Kyle's like, oh, my God, I cannot imagine Kathy doing this. Oh, my God, like, she is so funny. Should we, like, rag on my sister a little bit? You know, it's cool, right?

Co-host Mo (45:24)

Like, yeah, well, that's why she's not here, Kyle.

Ben (45:27)

And we see Kyle's. I mean, Kathy is still on her bed, and now she's just. She's looking at videos of them from earlier of, like, Jennifer with donuts.

Ronnie (45:35)

And she's, like, watching Jennifer in her bed with donuts. And she's like, oh, that Jennifer is something else. So we got back, and Jennifer's like.

Co-host Mo (45:46)

Oh, I was never as young as I used to be.

Ronnie (45:51)

Because someone says I'm not as young.

Ben (45:53)

As I used to be.

Co-host Mo (45:54)

She's like, I was never as young as I used to be.

Ronnie (45:58)

That was worth every hard step. Isn't this a great vacation, everybody?

Co-host Mo (46:02)

Die, Sutton. Die, Sutton.

Ben (46:06)

And then we see this shot. You know, they showed this in the beginning of the trailer of Jennifer laboring up the side of this mountain. And I always assumed on the trailer, they made it seem like, oh, my God, Jennifer is crawling up a mountain and she's about to die. And I always assumed, okay, when we actually get to this scene, the context of her is gonna be like, girls.

Co-host Mo (46:25)

Let me show you how I do my scenes of when I'm, like, climbing up a mountain. I had to do this once on.

Ben (46:29)

Brighter Chucky, and she was gonna do, like, a whole thing. It'd be a comedy bit. But when we actually got here, no, she actually was climbing up a mountain and about to die. It was an authentic moment from the trailer.

Ronnie (46:42)

We're getting sucked into the vortex.

Co-host Mo (46:46)

Why would you do this to me? America's like, was this wind part of the deal? Get rid of this wind. This place, this trip, this wind everywhere. Erica's like, wait, guys, next time, let's do drugs. I'd rather do mushrooms and feel something. Let's do that. It's the same.

Ben (47:03)

I'm like, oh, sorry that you were taken to the mountaintop of, like. Like, gorgeous, gorgeous views and scenery. I know it's hot, but, like, hello. This is also kind of, like, a pretty kick Ass view.

Ronnie (47:15)

No, I mean, it's gross to me. Like taking me on a Lux trip to exercise in 102 degree heat. Sutton needs to be put to death for this. This was horrible. Also, they're all. Do they have a thing with Coke? Because they're always drinking Cokes now on the show. Did you notice? And you know, these ladies will not touch Coke with a. With a ten foot pole. I just don't believe it. Like in the first scene of the season when Dorit doesn't have a family in the house, so she's like, oh, I think I'll talk to this Coca Cola bottle. It says friend on it.

Co-host Mo (47:44)

Friend. Hello.

Ben (47:46)

I know. Drinking sugar. Sugar imbued Coke. Well, there was a big, you know, on the Traders last week, there was a big Coke and Diet Coke moment. Lisa.

Ronnie (47:56)

That's what I'm saying. Yeah. I'm wondering if it's like a hidden thing that they just. Now they drink Coke because Erica slurps from her Coke can, and I just don't buy it.

Ben (48:05)

Yeah. Although she is from Georgia, so maybe she's having some state pride. So, Sean is true. That's Coca Cola headquarters. Yes. Ronnie and I know because we once walked outside of the Coca Cola experience in Atlanta, and we did not go in. So Sean is basically telling them, like, go sit by yourself and think about things. So they all sit by themselves and have, like, I think, no introspection. I think they just go and sit alone. And then they're like, okay, well, that was fun. Yeah.

Ronnie (48:32)

He's like, you want to meditate?

Co-host Mo (48:33)

Like, no, but we'll talk about each other. Mind your own business. Pink van.

Ronnie (48:37)

So, Kyle, Jennifer. Oh, go ahead.

Ben (48:40)

Oh, no, no, you go. You go, Jennifer.

Ronnie (48:43)

No, I don't care. I'm just going through it. What were you gonna say, Kyle?

Ben (48:47)

They. They all gather back together. Sorry. And Kyle is like, oh, my God, this is like, such a special place. And you think that she's gonna maybe say something introspective or deep or thoughtful, and she's like, I just wish the other girls would have come. Like, by the way, I didn't even tell you to recall, like, upset at me. Like, she said, like, when I was at her house, like, pk And I really got the sense that she's, like, angry at her situation was taking it out on me. I was like, okay, Kyle, I'm glad you came all the way to the Vortex just to talk about someone. Yeah.

Ronnie (49:16)

I got the sense that she's angry at her situation and was taking it out on Me? No. She was angry at you for not taking her situation seriously. Okay, I know that's a very difficult thing for you to understand, but she wasn't irrationally upset with you. You were an asshole, and then she was upset with you, I hope.

Ben (49:36)

Yes.

Ronnie (49:36)

Unfortunately, Erica's not the kind of person who will ever explain that to you, because she's got her head up your ass to keep herself safe. So Erica just goes, yeah, So I kind of took a breath and I said, I'm here for you. I support you. PK probably didn't do anything wrong. I love you.

Co-host Mo (49:53)

Well, I think she's just overwhelmed. She's like someone walking up a mountain without sunscreen in their pants. I mean, embedded in the fabric. And especially since you guys are just like, now getting back to being close. I don't know.

Ben (50:06)

And she's like, yeah, right. But, like. And I told her, like, I don't want to do this with you. Like, I don't want to have to take your side with you. I'm like, totally. Team bk. And she's, like, still mad at me for it.

Ronnie (50:16)

Yeah, you know what?

Co-host Mo (50:17)

I Just leave the whole PK thing alone. Just don't even talk about it. Don't talk about it. Your friend's going through something. Just stay quiet. Let them through it over there. Just pretend you're listening. Just think about all the DJ trips that you've done in your past and just relish in that. Just let it go. Listen, one thing I know about true friendship is it's not a thing. Just. Just ignore your friend. Pain, Kyle, until it goes away.

Ben (50:43)

So Kyle goes, well, it's like, you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't. I'm like, no, actually, it's. You're not in a catch 22 here. When you show up and your friend is bad, is going through divorce and the husband's being a dick, and she's telling you that she's going through something, you just say, what a. Like, that's literally all you have to do. It's the easiest task. You let her talk, eat some M M's, and then you go home.

Ronnie (51:08)

Yeah. Just say, I never liked that veiny pasty in the first place. Why do you like him? Yeah.

Ben (51:14)

Yeah, that's it.

Ronnie (51:16)

So it's like he's a physical embodiment of diabetes. Why were you ever with that man? That's what you say. Like, why do I have to teach you? I mean, I'll feed you lines all day if you need Them. Yeah, give me a call. You know who. Who spilled flour all over the counter, then poured water over it and then married it. You did. You did that. Why did you do that?

Ben (51:36)

He is the flower that gets. That gets in the sink after you bake, and then you wash it away, and it just firms up and just becomes annoying.

Ronnie (51:43)

Yeah.

Ben (51:45)

So back at the wine bar, Dorit's, like.

Co-host Mo (51:47)

Well, Kyle came over, and I shared with her that I don't always feel most supported by her little.

Ben (51:54)

Little jabs from Kyle.

Co-host Mo (51:55)

Little jabs. Jab, jab, jabs.

Ronnie (51:57)

Well, what I'm seeing and I'm feeling is that Kyle has a tongue that touches each corner of her mouth every five seconds. Also, it seems like she's having a hard time because you're not letting her in. You know what I mean? Bring down the walls. Bring down the walls.

Co-host Mo (52:12)

Well, there was a moment at Tilly's, and I'm hypersensitive because I've heard so much, but there was this moment at Tilly's.

Ben (52:18)

Wait a second. Why were you at a store for teenager boys? No, Jennifer, Tilly is not the store.

Co-host Mo (52:25)

Tilly's. But I was there.

Ben (52:26)

I did go to Tilly's, and I lost $30,000.

Co-host Mo (52:28)

It was crazy. But there's a moment where she said.

Ben (52:31)

We don't know if he did or we. If he didn't, and we just don't know.

Ronnie (52:36)

Oh, yeah, I saw that. Well, I think, like, in these kinds of situations, like, no matter who's right or wrong, you just, like, want your girls to have your back. Right? You know, like, you just want to be, like, you know, that guy? Like, were you, like, married to a literal potato?

Ben (52:52)

Did the potato moisturize? Because, like, Kaya moisturizes, like, so much at camp, and if the potato can't even moisturize as much as Kai's, like, why even have the potato in the.

Ronnie (53:00)

First place is, like, putting on pants for pk. Like, mashed potatoes trying to reform themselves into a regular potato Again, you can't put the potato back in the skin. That's all I'm saying. What. What were we talking about? Why are we talking about potatoes? I feel fat. I just got heart disease and died. I'm dead.

Ben (53:20)

Potato skins are so in for 2026, by the way. Like, I cannot. I die. I die. Bury me in potato skins. Just wrap me up potato skins and put me in a larger potato, and then put me in the earth, and then watch me grow back as a new potato. Oh, my God, I love it. I Die?

Ronnie (53:36)

Yeah, sometimes it's not what you say, it's how you say it. Like, and at that moment, you were, like, breaking down. So it probably hurt extra for her to say that. I mean, she said that, like, wearing pants. Like, who even does that?

Ben (53:49)

Could you imagine if you've been looking at Kyle through your kaleidoscope when that happened? It would have hurt eight times more. I die.

Ronnie (53:55)

She would have been licking. She would have been licking her. The corners of her mouth 16 different ways. That would have been horrible. Kaleidoscopes are evil. That's the point of this conversation. So we come back to Kyle and Kyle's like, wow, you know, I talked to Mo and, you know, he says that what PK is saying is completely the opposite of what she's saying. Well, yeah, when is PK even around? I'm not gonna listen. Listen, I know Dorit's not perfect, but you don't listen to some man who just like, leaves his family, his second one, by the way, and then up and leaves for like four to six weeks at a time and doesn't see his children. That's not the one that you listen to. Yeah, about like this. Like, he's making no effort.

Ben (54:38)

Not only that, you're basically like, you're mad that Dorit is mad at you, and you're mad that you're being viewed as the bad guy. And instead of being like, oh, that was shitty of me, she's now going around trying to poison the waters against the read in the group by co opting this spiritual new age moment on top of a mountain in a vortex. So she's really talking to two dimensions at once, I'd like to point out. So she's really amplifying her message and she's basically saying, yeah, Dorit's a little cray cray because I talked to a man and he says that she's been acting crazy and preventing him from seeing the kids. And it's not all the truth. I mean, Kyle. Kyle likes to say that she's a girls girl, but this is not being a girl's girl right now. She's talking. She's talking shit about Dorit and her divorce to the other women and hoping. And what is she trying to achieve by this? Like, what is Kyle trying to achieve by telling women that? I spoke to Mauricio, and Mauricio says that PK has a different story and that Dorit's being very difficult. What are you trying to achieve by. By doing that?

Ronnie (55:40)

She's coming on. It's like, she's not only talking behind dorit's back about it, which I guess is normal on these shows, but she's getting pk's side out there for him when he's not on the show. And that's just really.

Ben (55:52)

In hopes of what? In hopes of what? To get the. To convince the other women to agree with her and to agree with pk, to make the other women think that dorit is being hysterical, Dorit is being irrational and unreasonable. That's ultimately what. What this is. The aim of this is to isolate dorit, if you ask me. And kyle would probably say no. It's to show that I'm not being like, I. It's not that I'm being anti dorit. It's just, like, there's more to the story, and I'm just being open and honest. So she's gonna wax that. She's gonna. She's gonna spin it like, she's being like, I'm the open and honest person here. I' finding the truth in this situation. But it's really more, I think, to make the girls turn on dorit.

Ronnie (56:34)

Well, yeah, because kyle's still mad that dorit had the nerve to stick up to her last year for the first time, and so now she's going to spend the rest of her time ruining dorit. That's what kyle does, you know, and she'll. She'll go for dorit till she gets dorit off the show, and then they'll move on to the next one. It's a cycle with kyle. She's been on this show long enough that we see her. Her inner clock, and it's.

Ben (56:53)

It's.

Ronnie (56:54)

It's ticking.

Ben (56:55)

And the fact that she made up those lies. The fact that she made up those lies about portia and Tiffany. I'm just so mad at Kyle richards right now. I'm so mad. Sorry. I'm getting my wires crossed again. You're back to the traitors.

Ronnie (57:10)

So we go back to the mountain.

Co-host Mo (57:11)

And Erica's like, well, exactly. What was happening is what I thought was gonna happen, which I don't want to happen, is that you're getting dragged into this car. You know, you'll get dragged into this. All this drama with the divorce, she's dragging herself in.

Ronnie (57:24)

No one is making her go take pk side for no reason and fight dorit and turn the whole cast against dorit over it. Kyle is doing that.

Ben (57:31)

Yes, she is. And Erica has good advice here.

Co-host Mo (57:36)

She's like, if I were Kyle, I just block it all out. Like people do with my music. Just try to be there in the moment, okay. Like people don't do for my shows, because you can't be all the things to all the people. Like, less said, best said. I want to know. And I'd ask Mauricio not to tell me anything.

Ben (57:54)

And she's honestly exact. She's 100 right on this. Don't, like, just focus on being a friend to your friend, and don't try to get the other side from Mauricio. Don't put yourself in that position. Just try to be, like. Just try to be the good girlfriend you always claim you are.

Co-host Mo (58:08)

You know what they say, A friend to everyone is a friend to no one, which is why I'm a friend to Noah.

Ronnie (58:17)

It's like sage advice from Erica. And she's like, well, obviously, it's going to be like he said, she sad, you know? And back at the wine bar, Bose is like, well, your relationship is damaged, Dorit, from a trust standpoint, and you're trying to work your way back to a place where she is understanding and wholly supportive of you.

Co-host Mo (58:36)

Well, it goes back to actions and words. Don't tell me. I support you entirely because I believe it. So then if I don't see it, I'm like, but I believed it, but I don't see it. But where is it? I thought it was here. It's not there. I don't understand.

Ronnie (58:51)

All right, please, you're going on to 37 accents. Just calm down and have some wine.

Ben (58:57)

Babe.

Ronnie (58:57)

Babe.

Ben (58:58)

There's, like, tests every day in friendships. Like, so many tests. Like, specifically eight tests. Because you take one test and you look at it through a kaleidoscope, and you're like, oh, my God, there's actually eight tests here. And that's a test in and of itself. It's, like, a lot I die.

Ronnie (59:11)

So, back at the ranch, Kathy is slicing vegetables in the kitchen, and Erica comes in, and she's like, what the.

Co-host Mo (59:17)

Hell are you doing? Disgusting. What are those vegetables? Is there not a Taco Bell near here?

Ronnie (59:22)

She's like, oh, I'm starting my pasta primavera. I'm Italian.

Ben (59:29)

Yes. I learned this recipe when I went to Italy and found out that I was Chinese. Sadly, I don't know any Chinese recipes from my childhood. So Erica is like, okay, well, do.

Co-host Mo (59:40)

You want me to get someone in here? Because I'll it up.

Ben (59:42)

I'm gonna up this food, or, no, I'm gonna up this cooking. So Erica's, like, tells us Sutton has.

Co-host Mo (59:48)

Decided that we'll all be cooking dinner tonight. Why are we cooking on vacation? Are we on a budget? What the is going on here?

Ben (59:56)

So, yeah, they're gonna attempt to be like. Like humans and cook, and this is gonna be a. Like, a true disaster over the next.

Ronnie (60:07)

You know, it's shocking for me to be so wholly on Erica's side for an entire episode, but she's exactly right. Like, you took me to a national park and made me walk around in 102 degree weather, and now I have to eat Kathy Hilton's cooking. Why don't you just fucking take me out back and shoot me in the fucking head? What kind of vacation is this? It's like she's like, I'm poor and this is still low.

Ben (60:32)

I don't.

Ronnie (60:33)

Just take me home.

Ben (60:35)

Don't make these people cook. Like, there's certain people, there's certain shows and there's. Look, there's certain vacations and certain groups of people where the vibe is like, let's get an Airbnb. We'll cook dinner. It's gonna be super fun. And there's certain TV shows where I, like, trust. I trust it. You know, like, Eugene gets on the grill. Like, it's gonna be good food.

Ronnie (60:52)

Oh, yeah, you're gonna trust some New Jersey for sure.

Ben (60:54)

Yeah, you. You go to New Teresa. She'll make. She'll put. She'll throw down. I believe she'll throw down. You know, there are a lot of these shows, you know, where, you know, people will cook some good food. They're not gonna cook good food on Beverly Hills. I was trying to think of Orange county. They would cook with anyone. Could anyone cook food on Orange County? Probably not there either, but I'm gonna say Beverly Hills. Like, don't even bother. This is. No one wants to have Kathy Hilton's cooking. No one does.

Ronnie (61:25)

I don't want.

Ben (61:25)

I don't want Sutton's chicken. I don't want anyone's salad. Just get away. We've all seen what happens when Kyle tries to cook salmon. When she had her storyline of I really like to cook salmon, her season arc of cooking salmon, where it got burned every time. Don't do this to us.

Ronnie (61:40)

Yeah. So we have a scene of Bose talking to Keely. She's feeling down because she's been doing injections. And then Kyle's doing her makeup. And Amanda's like, hey, can I ask you for your advice? Yeah, I just, you know, did Sutton have an assistant named Avery or Ari or something like that? Avi. Nice try, Avi. Yeah, yeah. Nice try, Amanda. And doesn't look practiced at all when you do the exact same line to Sutton. Like, the exact same thing. Did you actually have an assistant named Avery or Ari?

Ben (62:14)

Obviously you're so disinterested in this topic that you couldn't remember his name. Yep. Huh. Huh.

Ronnie (62:23)

Yeah, well, my friend Alana was out, by the way. I'm just saying Alana because I think it changes later. But anyway, my friend Alana was out and ended up talking to some guy, and the guy was like, oh, my God, are you the girl who's friends with the. The girl who's always wearing Chanel and, like, is really super rich? Has, like, Louis Vuitton? And he was like, yeah. And then Alana was like, oh, yeah, my friend. No, Sutton. And he said, well, tell Amanda to call me, and I'll spill the real dirt on Sutton. So, I mean, this is a bad breakup, I guess.

Ben (62:54)

Wow. Well, you know what? I have to say, I know someone who knows Avi who's. I will say, really well, an old.

Ronnie (63:07)

Queen in a bar.

Ben (63:08)

No, there's. Okay, there's an old queen in a bar whose professional services I use once in a while, and he's like, avi. I see Avi on the street. He's. He's sort of like. He's not really a house. He's sort of a housewife watcher. His wife is more of a housewife watcher. She might actually be listening to the podcast Shout out to Old Green, the bar's wife. But, like, so when. When I see him, he'll be like. He's like, oh, yeah, saw Avi, Savi. He's so nice. I saw Avi. He always. He loves talking. He always. Because that's the way he connects, right? Because that's. He knows I do a housewives podcast, basically. And then he was like, I saw Avi, and I was like, oh, well, you know, he doesn't work for Sutton anymore. He's like, oh, really? I didn't know that. So I kind of feel like this guy who sees Avi regularly on the street did not know that Avi doesn't work for Sutton anymore. I don't know. Like, there's a world where.

Ronnie (63:59)

Listen, that's straight guy tea. And straight guys just don't care. Like, you could tell a straight guy, and they're just like, this is some gay guy nonsense. So they just tune it out. You know, they just hear, like. That's all they hear. All they're thinking is, like, this guy is really gay.

Ben (64:16)

He's like, my old employer, that fucking bitch. The way she would throw her Tito's in at my head every single time. And I said, you know what?

Co-host Mo (64:24)

Fuck it.

Ben (64:24)

I'm leaving. I'm leaving. He's like, huh? Yeah, cool. Well, great seeing you, too. Yeah.

Ronnie (64:30)

I mean, I've talked to straight guys who are like, so what do you do? And then they kind of make you go on a pitch about yourself. You're like, oh, I do this housewives thing, and I talk about. And then. Then you see their eyes glaze over, and I can literally see a reflection of a TV that's not even there. Watching a game, you know, Like, I see a ball being thrown over. I see someone catch the ball. They're getting tackled. I'm like, you. You're watching the TV in your head. You aren't listening to me. I'm up.

Ben (64:53)

Two minds, I'm up to. Yeah, it's true. I'm of two minds. On the one hand, Avi's just gonna, like, just start talking shit about Sutton to a total stranger out of nowhere, or. But then again, it's like, you know, drunk, gay. We do kind of do that also. So, like, I don't know. Because then, on the other hand, he doesn't even say anything to the straight person who knows him. But then again, straight person gonna filter it all out. So it could go in two different directions.

Ronnie (65:24)

You know, I. I think it was pro, if I had to guess, which I don't, but I will. I think it's probably Avi drunk in some bar, and he's like, oh, my God, you know, the new cast member. I need a job. I just got fired from one of them. So have her call me. I'll give her the real dirt. Oh, yeah, hire me. You know, like, being funny, but also, probably hate Sutton because it seems like they had a bad breakup. Cause Sutton's.

Ben (65:46)

It was bad.

Ronnie (65:47)

You know, obviously they did. You can tell. It's written all over Sutton's face. And he probably is bitter and talking shit at a bar. I mean, that's what we do. It's our culture. You can't hold it against us. And I think it's his right to talk about it. Now, whether or not he signed an NDA is another thing, because he better watch his ass, because if he is saying shit, he's going to get in some big trouble. But if there's no NDA, then Sutton's an idiot, and she shouldn't have done that, and he can do whatever he wants.

Ben (66:13)

Yeah, well, Amanda is basically like, he talked to my friend and he said like, oh, put me into contact with Amanda. I'm going to. I'm going to gossip with her and if she's looking for an assistant, you know, hire me. So Kyle's like, oh my God, like, what the actual hell? He's such a nice guy. And the fact that he would ever say have her call me, like, obviously it had to had a very bad ending. Oh, thanks for connecting those dots, Kyle. What else was the fact that Sutton got cagey and started shaking and did her that fake smile when she said, everything's fine, everything's fine, everything's fine. Like, she's a real detective, that one.

Ronnie (66:47)

But it's also so Kyle, instead of being like, wow, I thought Avi was a really nice person. And going back and talking behind the back of somebody that you were worked for is really tacky is what your real friend would say. But Kyle, of course, is like, well, you know, he's such a nice guy. So, wow, it must have been a bad ending. Sutton must have really fucked him over. Kyle's whole face lights up.

Ben (67:09)

She's like, I know.

Ronnie (67:09)

Like she comes to life for the first time this season.

Ben (67:13)

Something needs to track down Glenn and find out what happened with Kyle and Glenn. How about that?

Ronnie (67:18)

How about that? That is a good question. I always wonder about what poor Glenn's doing. Although we said that one season and someone's like, oh, no, I saw Glenn running around in the back, you know, So I don't know. Hello there. This is a two part recap. Okay, this the end of part one. So thank you so much for listening to this. Just come back a little later for part two.

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