#3169 RHOP S10E15 Part One: Kemo Sobby

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Ep. 3169 RHOP S10E15 Part One: Kemo Sobby

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: January 19, 2026
Episode: #3169 – Real Housewives of Potomac S10E15 Recap, Part One

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Episode Overview

Ben and Ronnie return for a classic Watch What Crappens deep dive, recapping the explosive first part of Real Housewives of Potomac, Season 10 Episode 15. The focus is on the disastrous Colorado trip — specifically, the “accommodation apocalypse” that Angel orchestrated, leading to boiling tensions, with special scrutiny on the waterless Airbnb and a jet to Aspen that could not wash away the drama. Alongside the recaps, there’s their usual irreverent banter, side-quips about Bravo-adjacent shows, and the joyous roasting of all things Housewives.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

“Heated Rivalry” Side Chat (01:54 – 06:54)

• Ben's Recap of 'Heated Rivalry':
  • Ben finally watched Heated Rivalry and LOVED episode 3, calling himself “a total Scott Hunter convert,” but found the rest “pretty boring” despite high recommendations. (“I am dying a slow death watching this.”—Ben, 02:50)
  • Ben was impressed by the actor playing Ilya for “not even speaking Russian natively.”
  • Hudson Williams (the other lead) is blamed for dragging the show, but Ben concedes the character is supposed to be on the spectrum, adding nuance.
• Cultural Impact:
  • Ronnie marvels at how “so many women are into gay sex now”—even his 17-year-old niece is obsessed with the books, humorously riffing on their content (05:04).
  • Both hosts praise how the show normalizes gay relationships for younger viewers.

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Potomac Trip: Sympathy for Angel, But Also… (06:54 – 08:51)

• Angel’s Apology Tour:

  • Ben feels genuine sympathy for Angel’s mortification over the accommodation fiasco (“I actually felt bad for Angel… this time I think Angel made her bed and didn’t realize the room had no running water”—Ben, 07:30).
  • Ronnie, less forgiving, says Giselle is “just kicking her while she’s down… enough is enough with her” (08:15).

• Preview of More Drama: Teasing that they’ll talk about Quad “letting Giselle have it” on ‘Watch What Happens Live’.

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The Great No-Water Airbnb Debacle (10:21 – 16:12)

• Car Talks: The Case of Using Your Husband as an Excuse

  • Angel justifies checking with Bobby before confirming plans because “he’s watching the kids,” sparking debate about parental roles and marital communication.
  • Ben and Ronnie dissect if this is genuine consideration or simply an escape hatch from the group’s toxicity.

• Ronnie’s Classic Tone:

  • “Marriage is not easy… you should be able to use that person as a human shield.” (13:01)
  • “If Bobby can't look after the kids for one night, I think that's disappointing” (13:32)

• Diagnosis of Angel’s “No Person” Personality:

  • Ben pegs Angel as someone who always says “no” to plans, drives him nuts: “Just say yes to me, you know?” (16:12)

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Jabs in the Other Cars: Excuses, Allegiances, and Babysitters (17:27 – 18:43)

• Stacy and Jazzy’s Judgment:
  • They mock Angel for hiding behind kids and claim “you use them as an excuse, or you use them as something you resent for not pursuing your career” (17:27).
• Jazzy Playing Both Sides:
  • Ben points out Jazzy is “definitely playing both sides of the fence here, and she has not been clocked for it yet” (18:28).

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Monique’s Parallels & Mattress Metaphors (18:43 – 23:41)

• Monique’s Cautionary Tale:
  • Monique parallels Angel’s fear of disappointing her husband with her own marriage, warning about “carrying the weight” and overextending until lashing out.
• Mattress Comedy:
  • A major tangent where both hosts riff on internet mattresses, vacuum-packed pillows, and expanding air beds.
    • “I feel like a seahorse in a capsule that was put into water and is now expanding.” — Ronnie (19:42)
    • “If you think about it, it's actually one of the scariest moments in my life.” — Ben (20:30)
  • Sets a natural, irreverent tone and briefly diffuses Housewives drama.

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Bobby’s Behavior: Rudeness or Solidarity? (21:10 – 23:41)

• Interpretation:
  • Ronnie posits Bobby’s surliness was a (misguided) show of solidarity: “He’s heard so much about these ladies being mean to his wife … so he’s like, fuck all of you.” (21:10)
  • Ben agrees Bobby’s protest “makes him look horrible.”

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Revisiting Potomac History with Flashbacks (23:41 – 25:28)

• History Lessons:
  • Scenes recalled: Giselle being rude in Monique’s kitchen, the umbrella scene with Robin, “drag me drag me” with Candace.
  • Ronnie insists “Giselle did deserve what she got”; Ben agrees editors did her no favors.

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Airplane Drama: Apologies Get Nowhere (29:23 – 41:29)

• The $8,000-an-Hour Jet to Aspen: (29:23)

  • Angel attempts a formal apology. Giselle instantly heckles: “Too late, boo boo.” (30:06)
  • Tension boils as Angel is repeatedly interrupted, unable to finish an apology, and mocked for her “store credit at the Airbnb” fixes.
  • Notable quote:
    “You couldn't even text I'm sorry … I jumped into fixing mode.” — Angel (31:41)
  • Giselle’s iconic line (multiple times): “Too late.” (30:06, 43:47, 47:20)

• Host Failure Crowned:

  • Giselle proclaims this is “the worst in 10 years … Colorado your number one — nah.” (40:33)
  • Angel tries: “We're on this jet because of me.”
    Giselle claps back: “I'd rather have running water than a jet.” (41:09)

• Toast, Take Two:

  • Karen attempts to shift energy with a toast, but is shut down; the group instead toasts Giselle “for finding us the Four Seasons.” (41:29)

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Deeper Dive: ‘Angel’s Apology Style’ and Group Psychology (38:04 – 39:56)

• Ben’s Analysis: Angel avoids imperfection, wants to present the “full solution” before contact—which makes her seem aloof, guarded, and deepens Housewife suspicion.
  • “People don’t want her to be perfect. They want her just to be present.” (38:04)

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Aspen Bound: Arrival and More Sniping (43:26 – 47:24)

• Jokes about 'Too Late' reach One Republic levels:
  • Ben: “I wonder if they sing their seminal song ‘It’s Too Late to Apologize.’ Too late!” (44:54)
• Whiskey Lodge Stop:
  • The group hits Stranahan’s Whiskey Lodge, but even the drink options aren’t satisfying some.
  • Ashley references past whiskey-fueled chaos with flashbacks (mainly Robin).

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Monique and Angel’s Defensive Exchanges (47:54 – 51:50)

• Monique Attempts to Relate:
  • She explains how overextending at home bled into lashing out at girlfriends, which Angel pointedly rebuffs by flexing how pampered she is (“This is a depleted woman that you see here. This is a fulfilled woman.” — Angel, 48:17)
• 'Watching the Kids' Debate:
  • The semantics of “watching the kids” turns into a running gag about how men could be called “tolerating the children,” mocking gendered expectations. (49:17)
  • Ronnie riffs: “I'm sorry, but I'm going out tonight. Could you tolerate the children? Thank you.” (49:45)
• **Jazzy claims being a WAG (wives and girlfriends of athletes) often means “losing yourself,” but asserts she personally hasn’t lost her sense of self—though clearly has. (50:35)

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Group Alliances and the “Default” Housemate Flare-up (51:50 – 54:22)

• Who was Angel’s true chosen housemate?

  • Tia claims she was chosen “by default,” which both Angel and Ronnie hilariously challenge for its logic. (52:50)
    • “If Angel wanted you in her home, surely you would be there. No. And are you there? No. But guess who is there? Tia is.”—Ben/Ronnie (54:20)

• Ben’s Conspiracy Theory: Did production force certain sleeping arrangements for maximum drama? (52:57)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You’re doing the most by doing the least.” – Ben (23:08)
  Describing Bobby’s silent protest.
• “Just say yes to me, you know? But I kind of get the vibe from Angel that...she’s never going to commit until she feels comfortable.” – Ben (16:12)
• “Marriage is not easy … you should be able to use that person as a human shield.” – Ronnie (13:01)
• “Too late, Boo Boo.” – Giselle, multiple times (first at 30:06)
• “If Angel wanted you in her home, surely you would be there. No. And are you there? No. But guess who is there? Tia is.” – Ben (54:20)
• “I'm sorry, but I'm going out tonight. Could you tolerate the children? Thank you.” – Ronnie (49:45)
• Mattress Metaphors for Emotional Baggage:
  “I feel like an air mattress that someone’s sleeping on. But you’re watching the footage in reverse...it’s a mattress reference.” – Ben (19:49)
• “I'd rather have running water than a jet, honey.” – Giselle (41:09)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Segment | |--------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 01:46 - 06:54| “Heated Rivalry” Side Review and LGBTQ+ Visibility | | 06:54 - 08:51| Sympathy (or not) for Angel and the Trip Fallout | | 10:21 - 16:12| The Great No-Water Airbnb Segment | | 17:27 - 18:43| Stacy & Jazzy's Babysitting and Excuses Chat | | 18:43 - 23:41| Monique’s Parallels & Mattresses Metaphor Tangent | | 29:23 - 41:29| On the Jet – Apologies Go Nowhere, “Too Late” Refrain| | 41:29 - 43:47| The Four Seasons Toast, “Worst Host” Crowned | | 44:38 - 47:24| Aspen Arrival, Stranahan's Whiskey Lodge | | 47:54 - 51:50| Monique & Angel Defensive Exchange; WAG Loss of Self | | 51:50 - 54:22| “Default” Room Assignments and Alliance Dynamics |

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Conclusion

Ben and Ronnie delivered a fierce, sarcastic, and deliciously detailed recap, centering on Angel’s historic flop as trip host and the lack of running water in the group house. Giselle’s relentless “too late” heckling became the motif of the episode, while the ladies jockeyed for alliances and made clear that, jet or no jet, a Housewife’s true luxury is a functioning bathroom and a bit of vulnerability. Tune in for more in Part Two, as the Aspen saga continues.

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Transcript

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[Ronnie]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens. I'm Ronnie and that is Ben over there. Hello, Ben. Hi.

[Ben]

How's it going?

[Ronnie]

Good. What are you doing? How's your Monday going so far? Welcome back to Los Angeles.

[Ben]

Thank you. It feels wonderful to be back here. I'm just really enjoying the warm air and the LA of it all. Feels great to be back. How's your Monday going?

[Ronnie]

Good so far. Don't ruin it. Just kidding. It's going good. Had a great weekend. It was my friend soon as birthday, so that was fun. Did that. Watched a lot of Bravo, watched a.

[Ben]

Lot of other stuff.

[Ronnie]

You finally watched Heated Rivalry. How'd you feel about it?

[Ben]

I finished Heated Rivalry.

[Ronnie]

Well.

[Ben]

Well, you know, I'm a total Scott Hunter convert that episode number three. Wow, that got. I was like, oh my God, I love it. I loved episode three. I thought the rest of it was pretty boring. I'm not gonna Lie. Everyone was like, it gets so much better. In episode five and episode six, I was like, I am dying a slow death watching this. I'm not gonna lie. Every time Scott Hunter was on the screen, I was like, yes, the show's amazing. And then when he'd leave, I'd be like, okay. It was. I tried. I don't know. I mean, I thought there were some really sweet moments, and I. I appreciated the evolution of their relationship over the course of the show. And what was so funny is the guy who plays Ilya. I then saw, you know, him do an interview with Seth, Seth Meers. And, like, in real life, he's like, oh, my God, we had so much fun doing the show. And it was, like, really fun. And, like, oh, my God, we had, like. We didn't even know how to skate. We're like. I was like, this is the same guy. And I was like, that guy is. Give him an Emmy. He did a great job. He's apparently doesn't even speak Russian natively, so I was very impressed. I think. I think for me, the issue just was that, you know, poor Hudson Williams, like, bless his heart, I just felt like, kind of felt like he dragged the show down. I'm not gonna lie. I have to say it. I mean, I felt. I just felt like I, I. I.

[Ronnie]

Know he was playing. He was playing a boring, you know, robot.

[Ben]

I know that very well, bless his heart. I mean, I know that apparently in the books, his character is actually on the spectrum and is supposed to have some issues with emotional resolution or whatever, but I felt like.

[Ronnie]

No, I didn't know that.

[Ben]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if that really.

[Ronnie]

I think they might have mentioned that. That would have made. That would have. That would have kind of brought it home, probably.

[Ben]

It was. It was. I felt like, you know, I made.

[Ronnie]

More sense, but not in the mean way, but, like, just the way he was acting. Like, it seems like, like, if you told me that that's what he was going for, I would say, oh, yeah, I get it. He did a good job. You know, I mean, I think he did a good job. He was. I just. I thought of him as, like, repressed, you know, just repressed and shy, which I think he did a good job. I mean, listen, you're gonna. You're gonna get, like, a sports nerd. I mean, I don't know what the reality of that is. You know what I mean? So I don't know how real, how charismatic I expected him to be. I loved it. Though, I just loved it. So you just shut your.

[Ben]

God, it was sweet.

[Ronnie]

Here's what I'm gonna say is I love that it's like, so many women into gay sex now. It cracks me up.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

My niece. My niece, she is 17. She just turned 17. She's like, oh, God, Uncle. I'm so into heated rivalry. The books. I was like, oh, my God, if that's like that on tv, what are the books? I mean, the books must be just pure porn. And I was like, well, enjoy the butt sex. I mean, what the hell?

[Ben]

I wonder if, I wonder if the books also describe. I wonder if the books describe the sexual activities where it's something like Ilia moves out of the bed just so the sheet happens to cover his groin. I mean, every single thing. The amount of the, the way that they would move to not show any nudity was hilarious to me. But I do love.

[Ronnie]

Well, I mean, I get that. And that's how I move in my house too. Even from myself. I'm, like, walking. I'm like, oh, there's a mirror coming up. There's suddenly a plant in front of me.

[Ben]

I love what the show did for us gays, though. I think it's great. I love, I love that it's, you know, for some people, it's like, normalizing us. I think that's very important. I think the show's very important. And I, again, I loved the Scott Hunter stuff. I just, I don't know.

[Ronnie]

I, I mean, it's normalizing once.

[Ben]

Yeah, exactly. But like, that, like, when you say, oh, my God, my niece is, you know, you know, watching gay sex, it's not some freak show, you know? And so, you know, I, I did think that they were. I think the show got better as it went along. But I, I also felt like, yeah, that, yeah, I, I, I struggled a little bit. I, I can't lie. I know this won't go get me a certain amount of heat. I think that Dumois sassed off about the show, and then the show's creator was, like, very unhappy with her. I'm not saying that I have any sort of story. I'm bracing for. For backlash. I, I, I, I accept it. I accept it. It did not.

[Ronnie]

Well, I hope Giselle doesn't hear about this, because she is not very happy. Someone you don't want backlash from is Ms. Giselle. Jesus. So let's get into some Real Housewives of Potomac. Season 10, Episode 15 the Rocky Road to Gay Butt Sex and Hockey. The Rocky Road to Sisterhood. It is the Colorado trip. We're back with Angel. Angel.

[Ben]

Colossal.

[Ronnie]

Colossal failure. Colossal failure. Oh my gosh. This week we open and it got even worse.

[Ben]

Spoiler. I almost felt bad for her, honestly, in the sense I did. I did feel bad for her. I, I felt on the one hand that Giselle's fury was justified, but also felt like at a certain point you've got it. Like this woman is apologizing and she's, she, you can see she's mortified. Like at some point you've just gotta like, you know, let it out and then just you, you gotta move on. Giselle. I don't know. I felt, I felt really. This is the first time I actually felt bad for Angel. All the other times this season I felt like this is angel making her own, you know, making her own bed. But this time I think angel made her bed and didn't realize the room had no running water. And. And I just, I felt a little bad for her. I'm not, not gonna lie.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I feel bad for Angel a lot. I mean, the, the last episode actually was when I stopped feeling as bad for her because those guys at the party and the whole way that they treated me off, like I did not like that. And I feel like she was a part of that. So I didn't like that. But I was back to feeling bad. I mean, Giselle, just kick her while she's down, why don't you? My gods, like, enough is enough with her. It was great seeing quad. Kind of let Giselle have it and she didn't let her have it, but she was just honest with her on Watch what happens live. And I love that. I love that. Ms.

[Ben]

So live. But you know what, we'll talk about that on crappy hour tonight, which is happening at 5:30 Pacific Time. 8:30 East Coast Time. And by the way, we also have Amazon live today and that's going to be at 4 o'. Clock. 4 o' clock West Coast. 7 o' clock East Coast. Come join us. I know many of you have the day off today. Happy Martin Luther King Day, by the way.

[Ronnie]

Yes.

[Ben]

And so come join us. If you're not normally able to join us, come join us today. Sorry, little plug. Little plug. Cuz I. Sorry I talked. I talked so much about heated rivalry. Heated rivalry. We forgot about our heated shilling for ourselves. Yeah, I feel bad now, by the way. I literally feel bad that I singled out Hudson Williams because he seems so sweet and I, I singled him out for driving.

[Ronnie]

He's fine. He was hanging out with Ricky Martin all weekend. I just saw it in the.

[Ben]

Okay, good. Okay. I don't feel bad anymore. You know what? Sometimes it's like, it feels like we have to have gay solidarity sometimes. And I'm like, oh, gosh. Like, am I being self loathing? Am I being a self loathing gay? I did think there were some very sweet scenes for sake.

[Ronnie]

We are on to Potomac. Okay, you are not. You do not need to stop the hordes of the heated rivalry people. You're allowed to think some shit is boring.

[Ben]

Okay, well, it was boring.

[Ronnie]

This is America. We pay taxes. And we are allowed to think gay things are boring just as much as we think straight things are boring.

[Ben]

Okay, good. Okay.

[Ronnie]

There were some things. Boringness. Okay. But I love all of you. Call me. He did. Rivalry cast.

[Ben]

Love you.

[Ronnie]

If you. If you need, like a chunky, insecure person storyline, call me. Okay, so we are Colorado, day two. Back to the truck with Angel, K and tf. They were in this truck a lot. We could have had an entire season of people just driving in the truck because everything's an hour and a half away from each other. So, you know, like just car conversations with Angel. So Angel's like, okay, you know, everybody is talking about doing a sleepover, but I needed to check with Bobby first because, you know, he's watching. I mean, yes, dad. Dads watch their kids. I watch my kids. It's not like I said, he's babysitting the kids. Because we see a flashback of Monique being like, watching your kids. He's a father. He should. Now, if she. If he had said, I have to babysit the kids, that's something. But I think him saying, like, listen, I've been with these damn kids all day. No, like, I don't want to or get me some help or whatever would be a different thing. But she's like, you know, I'm just saying, he's watching the kids. What's the big deal? You know? And commenting on it is you're crossing boundaries and you don't know me like that. And he is like, oh, yes. Well, as someone with a decent bedroom, let me just say, let's not do that. I love hot water.

[Ben]

Yeah, I think. I think it's okay to check in with your. With your spouse, your significant other, to make sure. Be like, hey, I'm going to be doing this thing. Just. I just want to get like a temperature check. Because you don't want them to ever feel like you're just taking them for granted. You're just going to go off and do your own thing, you know? But angel, the way she sort of carries herself is that it always seems like she's, like, a little afraid of disappointing Bobby or like she's like, a little afraid of it all falling apart. Whether that's true or not, hard to say, but that's the way she is. At least that's the vibe she's giving out. So, like, when Monique said, like, oh, like, that's. That's what a dad does. A dad will take care of the kids. Like, that's what dads do. And Angel's like, oh. She puts her hand up like, no, don't. Don't push it. Don't push it. It's like, whoa. Okay, fine. I mean, yeah, maybe it's a little bit of an overstep for. For Monique to say that. I think Monique is also testing angel to see if angel has the same reaction that Monique would have had a few years ago. But I don't know. It's a little bit of a gray area for me on this front.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, well, also, there's an argument that, like, you're at work, so your husband will be watching your children because this is your job. It's not your job to, like, go home at 5. Like, this is a cast trip and you're hosting the cast trip. You will be coming to the pajama party, and your husband will also be watching the kids. But I think they have a good aid on her saying, like, look, I don't know if I want to be around you people. You're all mean to me and make me cry. So I'll see how it goes tomorrow. And then I will use my husband as an excuse. Because, listen, marriage is not easy. You have to wake up next to somebody after they've been farting at you all night long. You know, getting up in the middle of the night to pee, coming back into bed, ruffling all the blankets, you know, bringing the cold air back into the bed. You know, you have to put up with a lot when you're married, I'm guessing. And, you know, you should be able to use that person as a human shield. That's what I'm saying. So if she wants to use Bobby in that way, that is her God given right, and that's.

[Ben]

That's what's happening here. I think that she is just giving herself the opportunity to have an escape valve. I think also, like, not only is this her work, but they are promoting her Wonderland business by coming up there. So she's the one who's putting their brand on TV every single week on this show. So if Bobby can't look after the kids for one night, I think that's disappointing, personally. But I think you're right. I think it's about something larger than that. I think it's that she just wants to have the opportunity to get away from this group. If the if yeah, don't go well.

[Ronnie]

In Aspen because we saw Bobby and he was like, well, do you want to go? Well, go ahead. She's also so this whole like, will Bobby let me is all bullshit. Because he's like, okay, but if you don't want to go, then don't go. Like, what do you want me to say? Do what you want. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

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[Ben]

She's also a no person. She is always going to be the person where if you say, hey, do you want to go get dinner on Thursday? She'll say, I, I think I'm busy, but let me get back to you. She's always going to come at you with a no, and then she'll revise to a yes, because she never wants to be booked. She never wants to be programmed or locked down. You know, I know people like that drives me nuts, personally, as. As someone who likes to make plans. It's also. It feels actually kind of disrespectful after a while. Just say yes to me, you know? But I think I. I kind of get the vibe from angel that that's just what she does. She's never going to commit until she feels comfortable. Or she's, like, too afraid to commit, like, right away. Maybe because she is a slow processor. We've seen she's a slow processor by the fact that she. Someone will say something to her, and then like, a week later, she'll be mad about it. But I think that's just the way she operates. She likes to give herself, like, some buffer space to think about it before she actually commits to something.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. But then she loses me saying things like this. If I let them in on my relationship with Bobby, which is sparkling and wonderful, they better consider it a privilege. Oh, shut up. Just be quiet. Wow. You know, consider me less privilege. I don't need to be. I don't need the privilege.

[Ben]

Keep it. We don't all need to have the privileged in this life.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I don't need it. So now we go to the other car with Stacy and Jazzy or another car, and Stacy's like, when you have kids, you have two beautiful blessings and your boys, you're going to learn. That's, like, the easiest excuse. You know, you use them as an excuse, or you use them as something that you resent for not having the career that you could have had if you hadn't had them. It's all right as mothers.

[Ben]

Jazzy's like, yeah, I know. I'm the one who sets up the babysitters in our realm. Okay.

[Ronnie]

Realm's a bit of a. Jassy is like, oh, I totally get it. I call the babysitters. It's rough. Do you know how rough it is scheduling babysitters to take care of children? I do it all the time. Totally get it. I'm a five minute wag. Okay. I've been five minutes.

[Ben]

So Stacy's like, yeah, I just don't know if I believe this about Bobby. And Jazzy's like, I'm not believing It. She said she would have to talk to Bobby. No, you have to talk to yourself and feel like you are coming. Like. And it's so funny because Jazzy.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Still, if you feel like coming, it's funny that Jazz is like, what the hell? Like, her vibe is like, what the hell with angel right now? When Jazz is the one who also then narcked on the other conversation with Monique to Angel. So Jazz is definitely playing both sides of the fence here, and she has not been clocked for it yet.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So now the other car with Giselle, Monique, Wendy, and Ashley. And Monique's like, okay, well, look, I'm just making assumptions. I'm not saying her husband is a 7 foot tall person that French presses her to death every night in bed. But these athletes, you know, they make their money and then, you know, they're like, I'm providing now. You do everything else. And I didn't speak on her marriage. I was only speaking on her. Only her. My concern was for angel. And just because I know the weight of that. Pun intended. It was a lot of weight. It's a lot of weight. And I know where that took me. I'm still expanding. Like something that was vacuum packed. I feel like a pillow that was squashed and vacuum packed and sent across the country and is still needing air to expand. That is how.

[Ben]

Like a Casper mattress that just arrived in its box and now you've taken it out. And people are looking at me being like, I can't believe a whole mattress fit in this box. But it's just me expanding.

[Ronnie]

I feel like a seahorse in a capsule that was put into water and is now expanding.

[Ben]

I feel like an air mattress that someone's sleeping on. But you're watching the footage in reverse. You can only make mattress references. Sorry, everyone.

[Ronnie]

I like how many of mattress. I love how many mattress references you have just in your back pocket. I'm just seeing so many flashes of your life. Like, wow. Just running the hell out of the way the second you cut that. We've all been there with the Internet mattress, you know, it's like, wow, how'd they do this? And you open it and suddenly it's like, boom. It's like pops out at you and expands all over you.

[Ben]

It is very exciting, that moment. It's also very, like, bulky and strange and a lot has.

[Ronnie]

Terrifying. It's terrifying.

[Ben]

If you think about it, it's actually one of the scariest moments in my life. But Monique is. I like that Monique is saying, you know, she's Saying, like, basically, my experience with Chris was that, like, everything revolved around him. And, you know, I had to be careful. Like, he makes all the money, and then I had to sort of, like, cater to all his needs. Now, I don't know why she would think that about Bobby. Just because they went to their house last night and Bobby didn't say hello and didn't stand up and didn't encourage his guests to stand up and didn't broker any sort of friendly relations between the guests and the women. I don't know why she would ever get the sense that everything revolves around Bobby. What a strange idea.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. You know, the guys were rude. But I do have a thought on that. Just that in a way, that was him showing solidarity with his wife. I think he's heard so much about these ladies being mean to his wife and just treating her like crap, and she's cried so much over it that he's like, fuck all of you. I think it was incredibly rude and a stupid move on his part because, yeah, it just makes him look horrible, you know, But I think that he was like. I think that that was showing more solidarity than Chris ever showed.

[Ben]

Chris Bassett.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I think that he was like, oh, no. And I have to say that Chris Bassett never showed solidarity. But, I mean, she's saying, like, I have to do everything blah. In my relationship. I had to do everything. You know, the husband's like, in his own world, where I think in this one, you're seeing the husband actively stand up for his wife and be like, okay, I'm not gonna be nice to you people. You've been horrible to my wife. Like, that's kind of how I took it, because why else would they have acted like that? I mean, they were just.

[Ben]

That's. I mean, that's. That's what I think as well. But I also think that's, like, shitty.

[Ronnie]

Because I think, oh, I do, too.

[Ben]

What you have. Yeah, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. You know, like, that. Neither of. Neither of us, like, obviously condone it. And I think it's very clear that he's, like, trying to have some sort of, like, protest. But I think it's like, what are you doing? You should be trying to set your wife up for success, and this is not gonna. Not going to be it. What you do is you're friendly and then you talk afterwards instead of just stand there and. And be rude, and then you're going to. You know what that's going to do is get all. All of the people who don't like angel, just angrier. Angel. Or not angrier, but, like, you know, more like judgmental. Like, you're, you know, the shade.

[Ronnie]

And instead of being nice and contrasting, you know, you show a contrast. Like, we're nice, we're kind, we're opening, and they're still doing nothing but coming over here and starting drama with my wife.

[Ben]

You know what you really do?

[Ronnie]

Giving them ammo. Like, oh, see, we said your husband was an asshole, and then here he is being an asshole. Yeah.

[Ben]

Or it's not even that you act nice so that way they see that you're actually nice. What you do is you just act normal to show that you're totally unbothered by them and that they mean nothing to you. I think that's what you do. But, like, you don't. When if you're thinking I'm gonna show them that they mean nothing to us by literally not standing up for them, it's like, well, okay, well, you're clearly bothered and you're being. You're doing the most right now by doing the least. So, like, Yeah, I thought that was such a. Such a. Like a terrible manifestation of disliking these women. Like, that was just so wrong.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So Monique. Well, yeah, Monique's like, well, you know, in the past, I overextended myself and I did too much. And then that caused me to lash out at the people that didn't deserve it the most. And then as an example of someone who didn't deserve it, we see 2017 of Giselle being in her kitchen, in Monique's kitchen, going, oh, here comes the talker. Giselle was so fucking rude in this episode. She was so rude. When Monique came on the show, she was rude to her for no reason. It was Giselle. She's been doing this for years, you know? And so she was being rude to her in her own home. And Monique comes over and she's like, oh, I can't stop talking. Right. Don't be disrespectful in my home. And Giselle says, you're a aggressive. And she's like, I'm not being aggressive. And she's like, and it's not a good look. And by the way, Giselle got kicked out that day. And my only point in going over all this again is to say that maybe you lashed out at people who didn't deserve it. Giselle was not one of those people. Giselle, as I recalled, did deserve it. So please don't go back on that.

[Ben]

Editors and Then we also saw the famous umbrella scene with Robin and all that. And then, of course, we saw Monique and Candace actually at the hoedown or wherever they were. And this was the. The preceding. The. Drag her. Whatever. Drag me, Drag me, Whatever.

[Ronnie]

Oh, drag you pregnant and all. Drag me, Monique.

[Ben]

Drag me. So mo' Nique is like, I just don't. I don't. I don't. I don't know what her situation is, but a lot of what I'm seeing is oddly familiar, you know? And I said that so clearly, so apparently. So Wendy tells me that the whole conversation got back to angel already. And we see earlier today that Wendy has told mo', Nique, you know, like, yeah, angel knows everything that we said in that car. And they are like, so jazzy. Jazzy said it. And. And Monique is upset because she's like, I would have liked to been the one to tell this to Angel.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So now angel in her car is like, they don't know my husband, and they don't know our marriage, and they haven't spent time with us. All they know is that he doesn't know how to stand up sometimes. And I'm not going to answer. And Kieran is like, yeah, I don't even think that's a conversation. She goes, well, anyways, we're gonna have a great day today. It's a new day. Everything's gonna be great. Let's start this with some positivity. I'm taking the ladies in a private jet to Aspen. We're gonna go to Chemo Sabe. I'm giving them a taste of things that I love to do in Colorado that make me happy. Well, I hope you're ready to have trauma attached to all of these experiences because, yes, this is not going to.

[Ben]

Be a good day. Yeah, it's going to be. It's going to be rough. Okay. Nothing good comes out of Kimosabis on Bravo, and nothing good seems to come out of private planes on Bravo anymore. So buckle up. Commercials. Here comes one right now.

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Then. So we go back to the car with Giselle and Ashley, Monique and Wendy. And Wendy is like, well, I wonder what Stacy and Jazzy are talking about. And Giselle's like, nothing. And then we go over to them, and Stacy's like, well, I'm trying to convince Teemo to buy me a chicken coop. And Jazzy's like, you want a chicken coop? Yes. You know, so I can get fresh eggs for Arabella.

[Ronnie]

And she's like, yeah, I hear that dogs eat the chicken coops. She's like, dogs eat chickens. The most shocking thing she's ever heard. It's like reconsidering dogs. Chickens. So Giselle. And Giselle's car. She's like, oh, come on, Angel. We were rooting for you. Angel told us we were gonna stay at her house number one. She had no intentions of us staying there. She didn't have intentions of us staying at a house altogether. Okay, but you're supposed to be Miss Colorado. And you. You got us. You got ins in every pocket. So what happened? And Giselle's just going off about how bad this was. And even in her 20s when she didn't have any money, she did not live like this. She was at least able to shit, shower, and shave.

[Ben]

Yeah, Giselle's really on one about this. I mean, I get it. Like, you have no running water. It's. And you're on tv, so you can't shower. You're afraid you're not gonna look your best. You feel like, you know, you can get judged part by all the Bravo people. So I get it. The frustration. And you're also elder statesman of the show and yada, yada, yada. And she's already annoyed. She's annoyed that angel is going on about the catfish thing. She's annoyed that they're separated and that some people, the cool people, get to go to the nice house. And other, there's that, too, that she didn't get picked for the nice house. Cuz you know that despite the fact that she's had a pretty bad relationship with angel all season, she still expected to be put in the nicer house if there was an option. So she's just absolutely furious about this whole situation.

[Ronnie]

Meanwhile, Angel's like, oh, it's going to be a great day today. We're going to turn it around today, guys. Cut back to Giselle.

[Ben]

Death.

[Ronnie]

Death to Angel. Death to Angel. So we go to the airport, and they. We see the Falcon 900, the jet. It's $8,000 per hour, you guys. It's a big deal. So the other ladies come, and they're okay, pj and everyone says hi and gets on the plane and all that good stuff.

[Ben]

And.

[Ronnie]

Ashley's like, well, we made it. Not that you guys cared. Don't smell me. I didn't get the shower because, you know, we didn't have any water. And Jazzy's like, oh, God. She goes, well. For Angel's just like, well, good morning, ladies. I just want to say, by saying, I'm sorry about your accommodations. And Giselle's like, too late, Boo Boo.

[Ben]

She is heckling too late, too late.

[Ronnie]

Finish. Let me finish.

[Ben]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let's not hear out. Let's not. We're not here. Let's hear me out.

[Ronnie]

Okay.

[Ben]

Okay, wait. What's the number that comes after 1, 2, 3?

[Ronnie]

Late after 1, after 7 to 8? Just had an L in there. It'll make much more sense when he's like, no one even said, are you guys okay? No one said it. The water back. No one even fake pretended to care. And they, hey, we can send an Uber. And if you want, we could send it to you guys. You could come take a shower at my house. I mean, that's what a host would say. That's what a host would say. They'd also say, we'll be back in 2 and 2.

[Ben]

2 and 2. We haven't heard jack from you. Absolutely no way. On a trip with all these ladies, I would leave them high and dry with no water to wipe our ass, to brush our teeth, to do a goddamn thing. This is up.

[Ronnie]

Flush a toilet. To flush a toilet.

[Ben]

Wendy, first of all, let me apologize.

[Ronnie]

This is really, really bad. Oh, my God. This is when we find out it got even worse. Oh, my gosh.

[Ben]

Yeah. They couldn't flush and everything. And. And so Angel's like, well, let me apologize again. I mean, angel is basically the. She's the store manager. She's like the. This is the kid I'd like to speak with the manager moment. And this angel just has to be like, well, let me be the first to apologize. We can give you store credit at the Airbnb. Here's the coupon. Can we give you a free dessert? What can we do. No, I was like, you.

[Ronnie]

By no means. You cannot apologize. You couldn't even text. I'm sorry. And she's like, okay, maybe I should have reached out and asked them where they were, what they were doing. But I jumped into fixing mode, okay? Like, I heard things were. Were broken, and I want. I wanted to rectify the situation. So she's like, I've been up since the crack of dawn working on a solution. And Giselle's like, so have we. So have we. Our solution. Digging holes in the backyard, pooping.

[Ben]

And Ashley tries to jump in. She's like, you didn't call anybody? Nobody. You didn't text anybody? She's like, no, you didn't. You're too busy. And. And you didn't either, Kieran. You're too busy. A paras. Going to get some on the side here. And Karen's like, no, no, no. I'm on. I'm on my own ass. Let's start there. I am my own ass. Take photos of the landscape for my new picture frame.

[Ronnie]

Karen also not really improving. No, I'm my own ass. Let's start there. Okay. So Tia's like, well, I was just. I just thought. I was just trying to process what she was saying. I'm. I'm. Leave me out of it. And just. I was like, she's not saying shit. And he is like, well, they were upset with me, and rightly so. I mean, I woke up, I see angel panicking. She's crying, and that was my immediate need. And, you know, I did. I take for granted that I had water to shower in and also had water coming out of Tsi, so I could have showered in with the other ladies, had nothing.

[Ben]

Sure.

[Ronnie]

But I was in the middle of an eggs Benedict on the patio watching sprinklers. Sprinklers go. I just didn't have time to think about the lady. Sorry.

[Ben]

When I saw the tears just streaming down Angel's face, I just went into panic mode. I just wanted to help her. Later, I found out those weren't tears. It was just the water left over from the shower that she had taken her. Third of the morning, actually. So you understand why I was distracted.

[Ronnie]

I was worried about the ladies. I said, let's all sit in the hot tub and talk about it. We'll take showers and drink gallons of water.

[Ben]

We. We were very lucky. We had a professional come to the house to show us how to shave our legs. So we all took turns doing it multiple times.

[Ronnie]

And Angel's like, well, okay, I should have called you guys. But as soon as I was a mate. Wait. As soon as I was made aware of the problem, I began to try and find you guys a new house. And Giselle's like, well, angel, I'm sorry, sweetie. Yeah, I'm sorry, sweetie. Speech is over. And she's like, or accommodations is the Four Seasons. And Giselle goes, don't you think. Don't you think I did that? I told all the girls, pack your what? What we're not doing is standing in the project, sir, because of Angela.

[Ben]

This is not the project. It is projects.

[Ronnie]

Yes, it is.

[Ben]

While the heat was at 90 degrees all throughout the house. Oh, sorry. Ashley's like, the heat was at 90 degrees all throughout the house. And then Wendy's like, yes, Monique woke up and her face was swollen. And Stacy goes, her face was double the size. A big, giant face. Look at her face now. Now imagine it twice the size. Now imagine it looking ugly and ridiculous. That was her.

[Ronnie]

And Monique's laughing. She's like, shut up. My God. And Stacy's like, girl, you were looking craz. I was trying to support you, but you were scaring me. You were like the monster under Arabella's bed.

[Ben]

Well, last night, ladies, I found out that there were issues in the what with the water pressure, and the issues were as well. And you know when. While you guys are at my house, we sent an electrician over to that house, and we also sent the property manager over to that house to make sure all was well. And I was informed that the water pressure was back up and that there weren't any issues with the well or the septic.

[Ronnie]

So, okay, so she at least did something right. But Giselle's like, okay, well, even if there was no water issues, you hadn't checked on us, and our asses are here because of you, and you are a horrible host. You're a horrible host. So she thought. I mean, she sends the property manager over, and they're like, nothing's wrong. She's like, okay, nothing's wrong. And went to bed. And meanwhile, it's like turning into an oven in there. And then the water completely goes out to the point they can't even flush. I mean, this is really bad.

[Ben]

I would love to find this Airbnb. I would love to see if there's reviews on it. Like we've never seen in any. In the history of the Real Housewives. Such a bad Airbnb. We've never seen these sort of issues before. So Kieran is saying that she's like, you know, I've been on a lot of these cast trips before. Okay? I've been in bunk beds. I've had to share a bathroom. And we see clips of, like, not amazing accommodations. And she's like, these ladies have been in the group longer than me, and this is not their first rodeo. Like, things happen. I get that's an issue, but we've had issues before. She's kind of like, these people need to relax. And normally I would actually be like, she's kind of right. But with that run, no running water, I think, is a big deal. I think that's. That's worthy of frustration. I also think, though, at a certain point, Angel. I don't think Angel's BSing them. I don't think she's being elusive. I think she is genuinely mortified. I think this is not how she wants, you know, like, her brand as the wonderland, you know, co owner, to look like they run a trip.

[Ronnie]

That's a whole other level where it's like, she's supposed to be a vacation specialist, and this is not great.

[Ben]

And I kind of think that that's where Giselle is also going hard at her, because she's like, this is what you do. So I think, like, Giselle is, like, ready to just take her down in any way and also take down her brand, you know?

[Ronnie]

But the thing with Giselle is you're sitting on a private plane that this lady has chartered is that's the other $8,000 an hour, and you won't stop. Like, I understand, you know, the being pissed, but angel didn't know your heat was on and couldn't turn off. She didn't know that everything broke back down. But their point of you could have called us to make sure is also valid.

[Ben]

That's a good point.

[Ronnie]

Like, you can't really stand up for angel here. It's just that Giselle won't stop. Like, she's getting worse and worse. Like, this is fueling her to get worse, you know? And so she just keeps going. And Angel's like, well, you know, I found you alternate accommodations. And Stacy's like, I feel like we should go where Giselle's going. And when he's like, I'm going with Giselle goes. And so she's like, well, where are we going? And she goes, you know, ladies, I'm a Four Seasons girl, and I've called my Four Seasons people, and that is where we'll be going. And Stacy's like, oh, my God, the Four Seasons. I don't have to pay for that.

[Ben]

Right?

[Ronnie]

I don't have very much money. I'm not gonna deny it. Have you seen my outfits on the qvc?

[Ben]

Do you think that maybe one of Angel's things is that she doesn't like being wrong or she doesn't like being imperfect? Because, like, I can imagine a world where, you know, Angel's whole thing is that she's saying, I didn't text because I was trying to solve it. And do you think that her. In her mind, she's saying, I don't want to text them and check in and things are bad and I don't have a solution for them. I want to check and be like, this is what the new plan is. I'm so sorry. And, like, it sort of kind of dovetails with how she treats Bobby in a certain way of, like, I don't want to disappoint him. I want to make sure I do everything right, and I want to know a full. The full picture before I do something. I sort of get the sense that. That maybe that's how she's operating, and that's actually to her detriment, because people don't want her to be, like, perfect. They want her just to be present and. And, like, they feel like she's very guarded, and they feel like she's not giving her full self. And maybe. Maybe that's what's going on with this group with her.

[Ronnie]

Maybe. But why would she. She's probably afraid to call them. I mean, who does she have on her side over there? Literally nobody. Like, no one likes her. So I'm. She doesn't want to call and be like, hey, how are you doing? And then be like, this sucks. You suck. Everything sucks.

[Ben]

Yeah, that's exactly.

[Ronnie]

I'll call the. I'll call the property manager and make sure it's okay, and then I'll try and deal with them tomorrow. You know, I think is in her mind, I don't think she knew that it turned into the hell that it turned into. And then she. She mentioned earlier, she's like, you know, and then I was thinking, like, the Four Seasons, there is an alternate place and shells. Like, I called the Four Seasons, you know, So I don't know if she knew that Giselle had already called the Four Seasons or if she was going to call the Four Seasons for them or if that was what she had arranged or what was going on. But, yeah, I think she was just like, well, shit, I don't want to call Giselle. I'll just. I'll Just trust the property manager.

[Ben]

She wants to have all. Yeah, I think she just wanted to have all her tools ready. So that way, when she did reach out to Giselle, she could be like, I've got this all lined up. So that way there wouldn't be an issue. But in the process of doing that, she actually made it worse, unfortunately. So they're all going to go to Four Seasons, as we all knew, because we saw that video of the cast at the Four Seasons earlier or last year.

[Ronnie]

And.

[Ben]

So angel is. She's done. She is. They've just kind of, like, destroyed her, you know what?

[Ronnie]

And.

[Ben]

But now they're gonna. Now they're gonna go forward. Now they're gonna get. Move forward on this plane and go up to Aspen.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And angel tries again, you know, because Giselle's like, this is the worst in 10 years. We have been on some bad drifts, but this is the Colorado, your number one. Nah. And Angel's like, okay, well, it's gonna be a great time in Aspen, though. So once again, everybody. And she's like, goes, yeah, because of us, not because of you. Like, oh, God. Oh, God. And angel says, well, we're on this jet because of me. And Giselle goes, well, I would rather have running water than a jet. She goes, so like I was saying, it's like, well, being able to wash my ass is more important than a jet, honey. She's like, okay, well, listen, my intention was never for you to have a poor experience. I just don't want you guys to have a bad time on my watch. So. Too late. Pizza. And Stacy's like, we already did. Well, I hope we can. Have a great day, ladies. And Karen goes, can we toast? And Stacy goes, hey, what do you mean, can we toast? What are you saying? Nobody wants to toast.

[Ben]

Karen is like, well, I'm just, like, trying to really champion. Because, like, I know this trip means a lot to angel, and I just felt like angel was taking a lot of an ability, and I just want this to be a good time. And I apologize to you ladies for, like, not reaching out to you also on behalf of the fact I am your friend. And Jazz is like, okay, how about we chose to Giselle? And Ash is like, there was no checking in. I mean, they are so mad, and they're still going. And. But Jazzy's like, no toasted Giselle for getting us Four Seasons accommodations. Thank you, Giselle, for finding us Four Seasons. And they all cheers. And angel is just like, damn. Damn, that was rough. I mean, the poor Thing. I mean, it's been a long time since I feel like we've seen someone get really raked over the coals like that on one of these shows. Like, but that wasn't just like, oh, it was a fight. Oh, that was a.

[Ronnie]

That was a crash. Yeah.

[Ben]

Because normally when someone. When there is, like, a clash on the show, someone has like. Like, I'm right. No, I'm right. But in that case, angel knew she was wrong. So it wasn't like a clash. It was just a bending over and taking it, and it was. It. Was the thrashing bad for her? I felt bad.

[Ronnie]

So now we see footage from Ashley's film. We're flying over the Rocky Mountains, and Jazzy tells us that for 11 years, she was a flight attendant. So she's done some domestic, international. She's been to a lot of places. Okay. She's a low key professional tripper, guys. So Giselle is saying. Yeah, Stacy was sharing that she was bonding with me and Ashley. And, you know, we're in this Colorado air. We're in high elevation, so my eyes are super dry. And she says that she took her contacts out and she put them on her plate on the side. She's like, yeah, I didn't want to put them in my napkin. I mean, who's a proper napkin? I didn't want to take my contacts out and put them on the table. I mean, who does that? So I put them on the side of my plate. Let's just say my poop was seeing better this morning. My poop was seeing better. She ate her contacts.

[Ben]

She ate her contacts. Hence the 2020 booty hole. So they land in Aspen, and Angel's like, welcome to Aspen, everyone. I hope the flight wasn't too bumpy for everyone. Too late. Too late. Okay, Giselle. It. It wasn't that bumpy, though. Too late. It was very bumpy. It's bumpier when you're not clean.

[Ronnie]

We're going sprinter vans right away. I would sprint away from this vacation to a private whiskey lounge. Oh, can I wash my ass with whiskey?

[Ben]

We already have some food picked out, and then we'll go right ahead to Kimo Sabe. More like chemo. Too late because I'm not washed. Okay, Giselle, that one doesn't even make sense.

[Ronnie]

Too late.

[Ben]

I already said it. Okay. All right.

[Ronnie]

Too late. Soon. Too late. Sabi loser. Okay, guys, let's have an amazing day. So they get off, and she and Angel's just trying to recover. She's like, okay, well, every celebrity hits Aspen. It's just so fun. There are so many celebrities here. Rihanna, Kevin Costner, Kylie Jenner. Everyone comes to Aspen to play an angel.

[Ben]

Too late. Well, it is funny because that one, The One Republic, I think is from Colorado. And I wonder if they go to Aspen and maybe they sing their seminal song, It's Too Late to Apologize. Too late.

[Ronnie]

Wow.

[Ben]

I don't know how I pulled a One Republic reference there, but I did.

[Ronnie]

You did it.

[Ben]

I don't know. Sometimes weird times, right? So they're in Aspen and, oh, it's nice. They go to a place called Stranahan's Whiskey Lodge, and they all sit down, they're gonna. They have some whiskey. They have everything. They have a strange bar menu. They have whiskey, they have vodka. They don't have beer. They don't have wine, they don't have tequila. And Ashy is like. She's, like, losing her mind by the Strange Selection. And so I was like, yeah.

[Ronnie]

Because everywhere they go on this trip is something they can't have. You know, it's like, okay, welcome to this fancy restaurant where you can only have what we're telling you to have. It's like, what the hell? Can I have water?

[Ben]

Whiskey Lodge. It's a whiskey lodge. I think it's like, okay, if a place is called a whiskey Lodge, that it's going to be primarily whiskey drinks, you know? But Ashley is like. But as she doesn't seem too mad because then she starts talking about, like, well, you know, once whiskey gets hold of the girls, we all go crazy. So we get flashbacks. The Cayman Islands where we see Karen drunk on whiskey, doing that thing like, I know how to. You need to know how to control your man's kiss. Do it like this. Does this thing with her tongue, and everyone just is like, oh, Karen, Too much. Too much.

[Ronnie]

For the most part, these whiskey flashbacks. Flashbacks of like, oh, look at the ladies getting crazy on whiskey. Was Robin. We got a lot of Robin being. You know, because Robin really does change when she gets some whiskey. So Ashley's like, I should have brought my flask. So they're making small talk, and Monique is like, oh, so is this somewhere where you and Bobby come? And she's like, no, no, we. We go, like, the opera ski areas. Like, we go to this hotel called Little Nell. It's pretty famous. I don't know if you've ever heard of it.

[Ben]

It's a small break.

[Ronnie]

She was on Give Me a Break.

[Ben]

Yeah, it's a. It's a. It's a. Her mother hotel was raised in the wilderness and doesn't. Didn't know about human civilization or didn't have any language. And this is the smaller hotel version of that one. Little Nell Foster. It's great. Great little hotel. Hard to understand it, but, you know, give it some time, and you'll make sense of it. So Stacy's like, well, are you guys skiers? She's like, no, not me and Bobby, but we're. We're not good at that at all, you know? And she goes, well, guys, again, I just want to say, I know that you're not willing to accept my apology, but once again, I am so sorry for the accommodations. Okay, Giselle, you can say it. 3, 2, 1.

[Ronnie]

Too late. Too late.

[Ben]

Thank you.

[Ronnie]

But I take full responsibility, and I wanted it to turn out differently. And so they order drink, and stuff starts. Drinks and stuff starts coming out. And Wendy's like, whoa, these are some Aspen deviled eggs. Are they. Are they different than regular eggs? Stacy's like, there's quail eggs on top.

[Ben]

Look at that. Talk about. Talk about yolks, talk about whites, talk about mayonnaise, talk about mustard. It's a deviled egg. Oh, yeah.

[Ronnie]

Well, they don't taste like your aunties deviled eggs, you know? And so Monique's, like, so jazzy. Did you tell angel the conversation that I had in the car with you all? She's like, yeah, because why? She said, because I was concerned. And when he's like, oh, she was concerned about everything that happened. When we said, you know, we want to have a sleepover, and you had stated that you needed to talk to Bobby about it, that's what happened.

[Ben]

So then Monique says, so basically, I noticed certain similarities between you and I, and my concern was that, like, I don't want you to get to a point where you explode, but, like, sometimes when you're doing so much and even your partner is contributing, sometimes it's, like, still not enough. And then you, like, get in girl circles, and you're hard, and you're defensive, and you're ready to attack and defend because of, like. Of what you're really already experiencing, the house that they may not be privy to. And if you've not been vulnerable in that way, I know what it took for me to get to the moment of awakening. I just don't want to see you in that position. So Angel's like, okay, so you're wondering if that's also my lived experience. Because I'm gonna say lived experience a lot for the rest of the episode going forward. Is that what you're saying, my lived experience. I think that Moni. He doesn't know anything about my marriage. My husband pampers me to the nth degree by not getting me things and paying our rent in Potomac. And this is a depleted woman that you see here. This is a fulfilled woman who's very afraid to ask her husband if he'll babysit the kids for a night. So I think she should leave me out of it. I have abundance and happiness.

[Ronnie]

This is a woman who sits on an air conditioner while people are meditating. Does that seem like a scared person to you? And she. Angel's like, okay, no, that was just me saying I'm going to check in with him. You know, it's like a respect thing because they're his children, right? And they're my children. But I still use the verb watch. Okay? You know what I mean? Because that is a verb. He needs to watch the children, and that's the thing that people do. And Jazz, he's like, well, I mean, I told you that was concerning for me too. And he is like, well, that's what I use with Rob when he's watching the kids. What are you supposed to call it? He's. He's tolerating the children. I'm sorry, but I'm going out tonight. Could you tolerate the children? Thank you.

[Ben]

Well, I use the word watch loosely because the last time that Robert watched the children, 65 teenagers showed up at our house, and someone threw up a red things on the carpet. So I don't know how well he is watching the children, but that's the word we use.

[Ronnie]

The only way he got to watch the children that night was the next day over a police cam video after the police were called to my home for child drunkenness. I had one swinging off a fan. I had one vomiting on the ground. I had my son making out with the mirror.

[Ben]

Jazzy is saying, you know, this was all concerning because the prior conversation where Monique shared her experience, and she was wondering if the correlation could be also what she went through. And then Jazzy goes as a wag myself. There are a lot of wags that have kind of lost who they are and the idea of becoming a wife. I, of course, am not one of those. I haven't lost myself in it. I just now use interesting language to describe the timelines of my husband because I'm a wag and I need to protect him. But anyway, I haven't lost myself in. In. In the WAG pursuit.

[Ronnie]

I've not lost myself. In fact, Any man that had children on me during our relationship would totally be fine, even if he wasn't a sports star. I've not lost myself at all. Where am I? Where am I right now? And Giselle's like, so you knew you were coming to Colorado. Why couldn't you have childcare taken care of? So this is not even a conversation. And she's like, I do have child care. I have our babysitter until 9 o', clock, and we have her there tonight. And since we must know the babysitter schedule, I need to discuss with my husband what I'm doing instead. And Wendy's like, well, the bigger issue is Jazzy. You know, Monique said multiple times, I want to have this conversation. And you did it for her. And she's like, at the end of the day, you get nothing for nothing. And that's the life of a wag.

[Ben]

She goes, angel's my friend. Which is funny because she was sort of talking about angel earlier in the car. Suchelle is like, yes, but, like, when did. When did you all become so close? Because in Nevis, I didn't see it. And Jazz is like, well, angel has called me since I met her. And when he goes off camera, she's like, yeah. She goes. And that is the issue. Like, you can't call off camera. So as if Giselle does not call up, you know, the veterans and be like, this is the plan. Let's go after the newbie. Make her trip. Hella.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And Jazzy's like, well, angel wanted me in her house, and she just got Tia by default. And she goes, excuse me. How dare you? Like, it's true. Well, what did that come from? And angel says, well, I wanted Ktia and Jazzy in my house. Yes, I did. And I wasn't able to have a third accommodation. Like, I thought not. So she is like, oh, well, I'm sure she thought you wanted. She wanted you there, but if she did, you would be there and I wouldn't. So I didn't know how. That's default. I think she made a choice, a choice that you lost. Sorry.

[Ben]

I feel like they said, would you.

[Ronnie]

Like Jazzy in your home? She wagged her head, no.

[Ben]

Do you feel like this was code that the producers were like, no, you're gonna take Tia because we need to, like, create drama. Like, there's. She has, like. I don't know, like, see what sort of rift can come out of the fact that Tia gets chosen as. Not with the rest of the group, but, like, we don't Want you to have one of the friend ofs. We will keep the friend of in the other house. Like something. I feel like she was speaking code about production when. When she described that, like the third accommodation like couldn't happen.

[Ronnie]

It's like, well, I wanted you. I wanted a third accommodation. But Bobby unfortunately took that room for another man caves. He needed six man caves yesterday.

[Ben]

Unfortunately, Bobby invited four men to the house who took up the rooms that you guys would have been able to have. So, yeah. So Jazzy, you had to stay in the in broke down palace.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And so Jazzy's like, babe, use your brain. She goes, sorry, it was by default. It was by default. And Jazzy says that she's talked to angel several times on the phone and she never knew that her and Tia were that close. So when she saw her with Kay and Tia, she thought it had to be by default. Like maybe Kay advocated for Tia. So Tia, that's not what default means.

[Ben]

No, it's not what default means at all. And he was like, where did you pop out from with that narrative? If angel wanted you in her home, surely you would be there. No. And are you there? No. But guess who is there?

[Ronnie]

Tia is.

[Ben]

I don't know why that was so funny to me that she said that in that way.

[Ronnie]

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