#3175 RHOSLC S617 Reunion 2 Part 1: Scrolls, Trolls, and Flyingmobiles

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #3175

RHOSLC S617 Reunion 2 Part 1: Scrolls, Trolls, and Flyingmobiles
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: January 21, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode covers Part 1 of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City Season 6 Reunion, focusing on the drama, shifting alliances, and signature antics of the cast as interpreted and commentary-fied by Ben and Ronnie. The hosts revel in the chaos: conspiracy theories about cast turnovers, wild social media accusations, mysterious props, and side-roasting of all things Bravo. Their signature irreverent, affectionate snark is on display as they eviscerate (and celebrate) the madness.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. State of RHOSLC: “Fun Toxic” Turning Sour

• Ben and Ronnie bemoan that the show’s signature "fun toxic" energy is tipping into straight-up ick.
• [06:25] Ronnie: "Salt LA City is always toxic, but it's usually like fun toxic... It's getting kind of ick."
• Both hosts agree: Salt Lake is still “the best one out there,” but Bravo shouldn’t get complacent. Rumors abound of major cast exits, especially Whitney, which the hosts analyze skeptically.

2. The “Winter Olympics Box”-Gate

• Heather spends most of the reunion episode with a large “Winter Olympics” promotional box hilariously covering Whitney’s face during group shots.
• [07:32] Heather: "The fact that she spent most of the episode with a giant Winter Olympics box over her head was a pretty bad sign."
• Ben and Ronnie revel in the absurdity, with Heather sharing screencaps for listeners on video/Patreon.
• [11:26] Heather: "This is one of the funniest images of 2020...What I need right now is Whitney with essentially a bag on her head on TV."

3. Bravo Conspiracy Theories – Cast Rumors & Social Media Misinformation

• The duo lampoons the endless swirl of fake news on Facebook and social about cast firings.
• [08:07] Ronnie: "One thing that's crazy to me is how Facebook gets away with just posting lies."
• They analyze (read: mock) the swirling rumors about Bronwyn quitting or getting fired—neither think it’s likely.

4. The Scroll, the Social Media Troll, and Tech Forensics

• Angie brings a literal scroll filled with social media “evidence” (a reunion prop) allegedly linking Lisa Barlow to a trolling Finsta account.
• [13:48] Ronnie: "Angie has just pulled out her prop, her scroll...it’s a pretty big stab in the gut if you ask me."
• The hosts embark on a tech investigation: Could Lisa’s number actually be tied to this account? This turns into a tongue-in-cheek (and semi-serious) demonstration of attempting password resets for Housewives' accounts.
• [26:29] Ronnie: "So it's looking like it's vindicating Lisa, basically."
• Ultimately, they conclude that the proof is less solid than Angie claims — but the drama lives on.

Notable exchange:

• [21:10] Ronnie: "Try something random. Find, like, some horrible...Well, I guess it doesn't have to be horrible. We could just find anybody we want. Just to find the president."
• [26:38] Ronnie: "I'm actually surprised. I thought Lisa was going to be 100% guilty of this. I mean, it sounds real."
• The hosts bemoan the “CSI Social Media Hacking Division” quality of the segment.

5. Receipts, Proof, Timelines – The Housewives Evidence Arms Race

• The hosts poke relentless fun at the recurring refrain of “receipts, proof, timelines.”
• [31:45] Ronnie: "Every time I hear 'receipts, proof, timeline,' it's just like a Meghan Trainor song coming on the radio. I just throw things at it and tell it to leave me alone."

6. The Rolling Thunderfuck & Red Rocks Mysteries

• The hosts try (and fail) to untangle cryptic references to “Rolling Thunderfuck” and Red Rocks as alleged receipts of cheating or betrayal.
• [32:51] Heather (joking): "These all just sound like bars in, like, Arizona."
• [33:20] Andy/Ben (as Meredith): "…they’re alluding to a photograph of me with someone I dated when Seth and I were separated. His name was Roland Thunderonamo Fakacala, and they call him Rolling Thunder Fuck, which I find to be very disrespectful."

7. Heather’s “Self-Production” and Audience Backlash

• Deep dive into fan perception that Heather is “self-producing” and manipulating plotlines (especially the vaunted airplane fight). The hosts discuss audience fatigue with storylines that feel manufactured.
• [39:32] Heather: "I think that people would not have had that reaction if they had not felt like on some level they were being manipulated by Heather Gay."
• [40:03] Ronnie: "It's pretty much Heather controlling the whole season, which is what they get mad at people for doing..."

8. Mary’s Son and Church Allegations – Surface, but Not Too Deep

• Andy (and the hosts) pivot to Mary’s church situation and her son’s jail stint. The discussion is absurd and surreal, from “I won’t even go to a Circle K, you think I’m going to a jail?” ([47:04] Ronnie as Mary) to Heather offering to send her book as “toilet paper.”
• Mary is largely let off the hook by the show’s edit, which the hosts point out as oddly gentle.
• [50:31] Ronnie: "Mary gets away with so fucking much with this improved personality. And I love the new improved personality. I even like the old personality."
• The TLC documentary on Mary's church and the recurring “cult” storyline resurfaces briefly.

9. Friendships, Grudges, and Hypocrisy

• Lisa and Meredith’s up-and-down friendship is psychoanalyzed; Andy prods at how everyone calls Meredith a “grudge holder” but now criticize her for moving on.
• [54:12] Ben (as Andy): "The funny part is, is that everybody is sitting here repeatedly calling me a grudge holder, but no one can understand why I'm not holding a grudge now. How does that make any sense, Andy?"

10. Classic Crappens Humor & Digressions

• Ben and Ronnie deliver their signature comedic asides on subjects like domain names, outfit choices, "darkness," and the real importance of baklava on a Housewives set.
• Running jokes include references to faux sponsors, “baklava as centerpiece,” and expanded “Marvel moments” in Housewives lore.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Quote | Speaker | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|------------| | 06:25 | "Salt LA City is always toxic, but it's usually like fun toxic... It's getting kind of ick." | Ronnie | | 07:32 | “The fact that [Whitney] spent most of the episode with a giant Winter Olympics box over her head...” | Heather | | 08:07 | "One thing that's crazy to me is how Facebook gets away with just posting lies." | Ronnie | | 11:26 | "This is one of the funniest images of 2020... Whitney with essentially a bag on her head on TV." | Heather | | 13:48 | “Angie has just pulled out her prop, her scroll... it's a pretty biggest stab in the gut if you ask me.” | Ronnie | | 21:10 | "Try something random...Just to find the president." | Ronnie | | 26:38 | “I'm actually surprised. I thought Lisa was going to be 100% guilty of this.” | Ronnie | | 31:45 | "Every time I hear receipts, proof, timeline, it's just like a Meghan Trainor song coming on the radio." | Ronnie | | 33:20 | "Meredith: 'His name was Roland Thunderonamo Fakacala, and they call him Rolling Thunder Fuck...'” | Ben (as Meredith) | | 39:32 | "I think that people would not have had that reaction if they had not felt like they were being manipulated by Heather Gay." | Heather | | 47:04 | "No, I'm not going to the jail. Gross. I won't even go to a Circle K..." | Ronnie (as Mary) | | 50:31 | "Mary gets away with so fucking much with this improved personality." | Ronnie | | 54:12 | "The funny part is...everybody is sitting here repeatedly calling me a grudge holder, but no one can understand why I'm not holding a grudge now.” | Ben (as Andy) |

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 06:25 – RHOSLC’s vibe shift discussed
• 07:32–12:26 – The Winter Olympics box and visual gags
• 13:48–27:08 – Scroll-prop, social media accusations, and “CSI Social Media Hacking Division”
• 31:45–34:47 – Receipts/Proof/Timeline and Rolling Thunderfuck exposition
• 39:32–40:35 – Heather’s control of the season dissected
• 44:22–46:43 – Mary’s church, son’s jail, cult discussion
• 50:31–51:51 – Mary “getting away with it,” cult rumors revisited
• 54:12–56:54 – Grudge-holding, Lisa and Meredith's reconciliation
• 58:43–58:56 – Lisa v. Mary tension: "You're dark... you married your grandfather..."

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

• Tone: Snarky, affectionate mockery; deeply Bravo-literate; unfiltered and full of personal tangents that delight core fans.
• For listeners:
  • RHOSLC is at a crossroads, with franchise drama moving from playful to perilous.
  • The supposed bombshells (the scroll, the Finsta) lose weight under scrutiny—Crappens style.
  • The hosts’ meta-commentary on producer manipulation, audience perceptions, and Bravo universe lore makes this recap both an astute Housewives analysis and a comedy show.
  • The real winner of the reunion so far: the accidental comedy of a giant TV logo covering Whitney’s face.

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Conclusion

Part 1 of the S6 RHOSLC Reunion dazzles not with coherence or unity, but with layers of messy, meta, and often absurd drama. As always, Ben and Ronnie keep the shade coming—and the commentary scalding yet loving. Their keen eye for both the mechanics of Housewives and the joy of pure chaos is why Crappens keeps flying high.

Stay tuned for Part 2.

Transcript

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

Hi, Ronnie.

[Heather]

How's it going?

[Ronnie]

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[Heather]

They are tomorrow.

[Ronnie]

Really? Yeah. So I'm gonna start a fight with Ben about something. I'm not sure what it's gonna be.

[Andy Cohen]

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[Heather]

But that means that's a. That's a. Put together a nice outfit.

[Ronnie]

Do you always put together a nice outfit?

[Heather]

I feel like I do. I. I always feel like I do. And then what happens is we always take the group photo and I look cray cray. And then also they always put me in this one seat. Like there's always. There's the Ronnie seat and the Ben seat. But like the Ben seat is the one that like the camera gets from the side and I'm always hunched over. I'm always. I'm literally just like striking on a. Over her pot. Whenever they get an angle of me, I feel like I always look crazy. Always.

[Ronnie]

You don't. And I'm not giving up my seat. Oh. I just wanted to show people while we're talking about outfits. So I wasn't really paying attention today. And who cares? I live alone. Whatever. I'm dying alone. Just kidding. No, I'm not kidding. I'm just kidding about crying about it. But I just passed myself because I had to go get a sweater to put on. You need to look at my outfit. I look like a five year old that you let dress themselves to go to school.

[Heather]

This is what I see. Okay. He's wearing a green jacket with flowers, which is nice. And then like a bright green kind of like PGA Masters blazer green like. Or miniature golf turf green Pant. And then like a pink. I think it actually is stylish.

[Ronnie]

I look insane. I just caught myself in the mirror. What in the world, Rondell? I'm. I've just become an old lady over here and I'm. You know what? I'm. I'm fine with it. So anyway, let's get to it. I'm wearing my styling.

[Heather]

No, I'm not in grim. I'm wearing a Nike Training club T shirt because I used to go to like a boot camp thing that I hated, but I kept on going to it because the whole thing was at the end of Boot Camp, they would give someone a T shirt if they did a good job. Like, and like every week I was like, I hate this but I want the T shirt.

[Lisa]

I deserve the T shirt.

[Heather]

And I did it for like two years and I finally got the T shirt because it was like the last day. So they gave like a bunch of people T shirts. So I got the pity, like, hey, you came. You came for a long enough time. You eventually got the T shirt, T shirt. But I still treasure it because I put in the blood, sweat, the literal blood, sweat and tears to get this T shirt that one day. It's amazing like how that, like how little of a carrot I need to have dangled in front of me to do certain things.

[Ronnie]

He'll do anything you want for a free T shirt. Noted, noted.

[Heather]

Are you heading to the turret after this? Ronnie, what is happening with this hoodie?

[Ronnie]

This is a new hoodie. I love this hoodie. I got it from a Facebook ad or something. It's really pretty, but it's got also a nice fuzzy. I'm just very cold, you know, I'm, I'm a very, I'm cold hearted and I'm cold headed.

[Heather]

So that's like you need a little lantern and you need to be here. Like.

[Ben]

My butthole is bleeding and my nose fell off.

[Ronnie]

Ireland is gloomy as. I love that song on the Traders. It's just so depressing.

[Heather]

I know, it really is. So speaking of depressing, why don't we move into the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City?

[Ronnie]

Guys, what is happening to Salt Lake City? Why is. I mean, look, Salt LA City is always toxic, but it's usually like fun toxic. I mean, this was kind of fun, but it was just. It's getting kind of ick. I think it's, it's getting a little too much. Like they need to bring back in the fun, you know?

[Heather]

I'm telling you, I'm telling you. I feel like, I feel like I've been a little bit of a canary in the coal mine this season. I love me Salt Lake City. It's still the best one out there, but I'm like, I'm seeing some, some things that could be an issue. And now we're at the reunion and it's like a little bit like people are a little unhappy. It is getting a little toxic. They're going to have to make some changes. I think they have to like, they make changes for next season. We don't need to reboot by any means or. No, no, no, no, no. Just like I just want to say, don't be complacent. Bravo. Don't be complacent. And the rumors are all that two cast members have left. The big rumor is that Whitney has been fired. Now, I'm not saying that there were any visual signs that Whitney has been demoted, but the fact that she spent most of the episode with a giant Winter Olympics box over her head was a pretty bad sign.

[Ronnie]

It's not a great.

[Heather]

See that. That was the funniest thing. It was the funniest because I had seen, like, before I'd watched the episode, people were already posting about it on social media. But then when I sat down and watched the episode, because I didn't watch off the screen or I watched off of. Off off the tv, and it's like the entire reunion, every time they got to it, just a box right over her face. Oh, I took a picture of it. I'll put it up on the screen while you talk, because it's just for anyone who's pretty funny, notice it. It was truly just like, the most amazing, most hilarious thing.

[Ronnie]

One thing that's crazy to me is how Facebook gets away with just posting lies. You know, they. There's so many lie stories on there that I don't know why anybody even reads that, including me. Like, what am I even doing on there? What am I, 90 anyway? Why am I on Facebook every day? But I am. And I read. There's all these fake stories there. It's like the View.

[Ben]

Whoopi Goldberg gets told off by a conserv.

[Ronnie]

And then you read the comments like, this never happened. You know, and all the Housewives news is just false, false news, and people believe it, including sometimes me. I forget that I'm just reading complete lies. But one of them that's going around today is that Bronwyn has left the show. Some of them are that she was fired, and some of them is that she left on her own. I don't believe that Bronwyn's leaving, do you? I just don't believe.

[Heather]

I don't believe. Not. Not for one second. Not for one second. I don't. I don't think she's fired for sure. 100%. Not fired. Me. Like, if. Why would she quit? Is she. The only way she would quit would be to protect Todd. Is there, like. I think the theory is that they, like, reconcile, and Todd is like, it's either me or the show. I think she's choosing the show. I think it's a choice.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. She choose the show over Walter Matthau for sure. Yeah, but I don't know. I don't believe it. I don't know that I believe the Whitney thing either. I don't believe anything. And I don'. People were saying someone's not coming back. One of the blinds said yesterday, someone's not coming back. And it's not who you think. So my thing is Heather. Are they going to finally get rid of Heather?

[Heather]

I mean, she's not on the road trip. I don't know if they're going to get. I think they. They just did a whole show. I. I don't think that they don't. I think that they keep Heather. I'm gonna say that right now.

[Ronnie]

I would think so. That's a long shot for them to get rid of.

[Heather]

I think. I think Whitney is in. Well, some people are saying, like, there is a chance it could be Meredith.

[Ronnie]

You know, Meredith. I would expect, though, because that's been rumored all season, that she, like, walked off and she wouldn't film and blah, blah, blah.

[Heather]

Well, there's a really big conspiracy theory that. This is just a conspiracy theory that I heard is that there was. There was footage of her on the plane, but like, she. Because it was non consensual, she was like threatening to sue or something like that. That's someone's conspiracy theory. And like. And so as a result, maybe she might get demoted because it's like. Because it's like she's being like that.

[Ronnie]

Whatever. So since when is in flight entertainment banned? I'm so sick of it. We have my entertainment.

[Heather]

I know, exactly. I mean, come on. It's either like, watch Meredith have a meltdown or watch a dog movie. You know, like. Like the Art of racing in the rain once again, you know, does everyone want to see the. The picture of Whitney? I've got two pictures.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. I mean, we're not going to recap a show today, so you might as well show us a picture. We're 10 minutes in.

[Heather]

Here's the group picture. Here's the group picture.

[Ronnie]

Is that true? Is that really what it was like.

[Heather]

Or did you add that? I took this picture. I took this picture.

[Ronnie]

Come on.

[Heather]

That's my.

[Ronnie]

Come on, man.

[Heather]

Wait, Ronnie.

[Lisa]

So you haven't seen.

[Heather]

You didn't notice? No, this.

[Ronnie]

Wait, no, I watched the screener. This is hilarious. It looks like they put a bag over her head. A bag of chips.

[Noah]

Her head.

[Heather]

It's literally. Look, and then here is. Here is the closeup.

[Ronnie]

I mean.

[Heather]

People, if you're not on Crap on Demand, I'm so sorry. I'm not. This is not a ploy to get you to sign up, but I do have to say this is one of the funniest images of 2020.

[Lisa]

Like, right now, with the world going.

[Heather]

Crazy with our country making preposterous demands to take over Greenland with, you know, ice, like, invading Minnesota and being terrible. Like, what I need right now is Whitney with essentially a bag on her head on TV in front of a little hilarious cake dome of. Of Baklava.

[Ronnie]

Baklava.

[Heather]

I mean, it does, like. And the thing is, when they do the other side. So the other side of this. Of the. Of the reunion, it, like, sort of covers Bronwyn's head. But, like, when it's on this side, it, like, it completely covers with the end of, like.

[Lisa]

And it was the whole night.

[Heather]

It wasn't just like, oh, there was a single shot the whole night. Every time they cut to the shot, there was.

[Ronnie]

That is so funny. Can we post this?

[Heather]

Yeah, I'll send it to.

[Ronnie]

This is hilarious.

[Heather]

I actually got. I may have posted it last night, but I'm gonna send it to Caitlin, and I'll be like, hey, do something.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, put that on the stories. That shit's hilarious. I mean, that. That really is, like. It looks like they put a bag over her head. It's perfectly centered on her shoulders. I mean, that is just gold. They hate her. Okay, so that's good. So that's some good news. I met someone who worked on Salt Lake City this week. I went to a birthday party, and I don't want to say her name because I don't want to get her in trouble. She didn't tell me anything really juicy because she knows I will come on here and tell Tattletale, but a producer on the show. Really, really nice and sweet and funny and, oh, my God, I was just, like, fangirling over her. I was like, oh, my God. You create art. You are an artist. You create art. I was losing my mind. It's like I met Adele. I was like, sing about bread. Sing about how Brad broke up with you. Okay, so anyway, hi to her. Okay, so let's start with this reunion. It's gonna be 20 hours long today, you guys. It's just the kind of day we're having today. Use your fast forward buttons if you need to. But today we are picking up where we left off. Angie has just pulled out her prop, her scroll. This is a big one because this was given to her as a gift by Meredith, and she's now using it against Meredith's tag team with Lisa. So it's pretty big. It's a pretty big stab. It's a pretty biggest stab in the gut if you ask me.

[Heather]

Yes. So Angie is like, this is the presentation, but you ask. Okay, I have known Lisa. I thought she was my friend and then I found out she was trolling me because I am Greek and she says she's not the source. But if you open up the scroll, you can pass it down and open up your phone. The person trolling me has the same phone number that Lisa has, so she passes it down at least.

[Whitney]

Oh my God.

[Ronnie]

Oh my God.

[Whitney]

I'm so glad we're doing this. I'm so glad because now I get to bring out my phone. Oh, I'm sorry. Hold on, Ben, I'll text you back in a minute. I'll text you back in a minute. Hold on. I've got Matt on the other text line. Hey Matt, tell Ben I'll text him back in a minute. Text him back. Yeah, I'm glad we're doing this because I'm so glad.

[Lisa]

Yeah. Yeah.

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[Heather]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ronnie]

Yeah. But also a lesson. A lesson to us all not to buy a dot co because.

[Heather]

Honestly. Yes.

[Ronnie]

Why? Why? Who even came up with that? And what was my response to John? I said, that's great, John. You should buy freshwolf.com because it's up for sale right now.

[Heather]

I know it actually, like, I feel like.co is a trap. Is a trap domain. Right. Because everyone is just going to assume they see the CEO. They just assume. They assume the M is there. And so they just. It's your. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

You know who else assumes it? You know, the. The search bar or whatever. The. The address bar is like, do you want.com? yes, I do. Because that's sensical. Okay. It makes sense.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

So Lisa is like, already? She knew this was coming. I guess. So she pulls out her phone. Andy's looking over the scroll, okay.

[Ben]

The private account, saying, I liked Angie up until I saw her flip flop.

[Whitney]

And he's just like, that's not me. That's not me. I don't even say things like, flip flop, it's not me. I know. That's 100% not me. Okay. And he's like, well, yeah, yeah.

[Ben]

Well, what I'm looking at is an account that someone.

[Ronnie]

That is Lisa's phone number.

[Whitney]

That. It's not my phone number. How dare you? That is not my phone number is.

[Lisa]

Co. Yeah, my phone number is 713-555-CO.

[Andy Cohen]

And he's like, yeah, but, like, this is posting comments that are negative about you, Angie. And you're saying this is attached to Lisa's number. Okay, so, Lisa, is this your number?

[Lisa]

Well, it depends. I think that's Ben Affleck's number. And I only know that because we're very good friends.

[Andy Cohen]

Sorry.

[Lisa]

Not sorry.

[Whitney]

She's like, that's not how you even look it up. That's not even how you look it up on Twitter. You're so stupid.

[Ben]

And Whitney's like, tell him why. Tell him why we figured this out. Because the Winter Olympics are coming Friday, February 26, to Peacock NBC.

[Lisa]

So he's like, no, no, no, that's not me. You're lying. You're lying.

[Ronnie]

I'm not lying.

[Lisa]

It's a joke, Andy.

[Whitney]

I'm not lying.

[Lisa]

It's a joke. It's a joke, Andy. It's a joke. Comedians Blake Lively.

[Ronnie]

It's your phone number account.

[Lisa]

It's a prop flop. It's a prop flop.

[Whitney]

Hey, that was a prop flop. Prop flop. Tell your friends. Prop flop, flop.

[Heather]

And she's like, it's okay. You did it.

[Andy Cohen]

So Andy's like, okay, okay, Bezos. He who holds the scroll gets the talk. Okay, first question to the scroll. Are those new boobs? This scroll has boobs.

[Ben]

How cool. So what you're saying this proves is this link was sent to this number, which is Lisa's number, and we see.

[Ronnie]

This iPhone alert that says, you know, and we're sending an recovery. I guess it was like, the recovery thing, right? Which has been used. This is how Jax was caught with his fake account. On Vanderpump Rules, they say, I lost the password of this account. And then they say, okay, we're gonna send this phone number or email or.

[Heather]

Whatever, but don't you enter in the phone number that you want the. Like, the.

[Ronnie]

The.

[Heather]

The retrieval from? Right. Like, I don't think if you lose, you can't. Like, if you forgot the password, I don't think it says, okay, we're texting it to this number. Does it. We can try it.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, we should try random. Yeah, try something random. Find, like, some horrible. Well, I guess it doesn't have to be horrible. We could just find anybody we want. Just to find the president.

[Heather]

No.

[Ronnie]

Not Ben's gonna be swatted. I want Ben to be swatted in the middle of this. No.

[Heather]

How about Sonia Morgan?

[Ronnie]

Okay. Yeah, look up Sonia Morgan.

[Heather]

Okay, how do I do this? Wait, do I have to sign out to do this?

[Ronnie]

Yeah, just go use a different browser that you're not signed into.

[Heather]

I'll just do. I'll do a private window.

[Andy Cohen]

I'm your private window.

[Heather]

And I always enter on Twitter even though. By the way. Even though it always goes to X, I always enter in Twitter as protests. Okay. Sign in. Okay. Enter in phone, email, or username. Okay. Is it Sonya? I didn't even look. So Morgan's username is. It's Sonia T. Morgan. Sonia T. Morgan. Forgot it.

[Ronnie]

Okay.

[Heather]

Okay, I forgot. Find your ex account. Okay. Enter in your email, phone number, or username associated with the account to change your password. So Sonia T. Morgan. Is this illegal, what we're doing? We're not trying to actually.

[Ronnie]

It's not illegal.

[Heather]

Confirm your email. They probably. Oh, see, this is where I. This is where it's.

[Ronnie]

So what does it say?

[Heather]

Well, it's saying, confirm your email. Verify your identity by entering the email address associated with your ex account. Okay, well, I don't know Sonia's email account.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Cause then wouldn't it just email the account? I don't know that we're gonna prove anything here today. But Lisa is basically saying what you're saying. Yeah, it's terrible, but Lisa's saying, you know what you're saying, basically. No. You enter the phone number, right? She's like, yelling that. And they're all yelling at each other. And Angie's like, I've watched this account for two years, and I was defending Lisa everywhere and shitting on everybody. And then she was mad at me, and I started to see it say things about me, trying to put a narrative about me. And then it was Electra's birthday, and.

[Whitney]

It was before I had a ton.

[Ronnie]

Of followers, so I could see who watched my stories. So Candace watches my stories, and then.

[Whitney]

Two minutes later, Lisa's like, happy birthday to Elektra.

[Ronnie]

And Lisa never looked at my posts, but Candace looked at my posts.

[Heather]

So Candace Story. So the smoking guns are really smoking right now.

[Andy Cohen]

And so Andy is like, okay, Lisa, would you like to explain yourself? Do you know Candace Story? Are you Candace Story? Why could you not have come up with a better name for Candice Story? Because we already have reality volunteers. Come on, try a little bit.

[Lisa]

Okay, Andy. It's like, it's not me because, like, that's, like, not even my Phone number attached to the account. Like, they put my phone number in, and then they just said, reset password or whatever. And, like, that's, like, not how it works, though.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

And Angie's like, no, that's not what we did.

[Whitney]

Yes. Because my phone number is not attached to that. That's not even my account. That's stupid.

[Ronnie]

He's like, but you changed. And Andrew says, you change after I told you about it. She's like, no, I did not.

[Whitney]

You are crazy.

[Ronnie]

She's like, no, I'm not.

[Ben]

I am Greek.

[Ronnie]

You're crazy. You're non Greek crazy.

[Whitney]

And she's like, no, you're crazy.

[Ronnie]

And so they're just yelling at each other, and Andy's trying to shut them up, but they're just yelling back at and for. You're crazy. No, you're crazy. No, you're crazy. No, you're crazy. I'm Greek. I am Greek. Doas doma Suzuki.

[Ben]

Suzuki. Phone number's Ben Affleck.

[Andy Cohen]

Baklava. It's a sisterhood of B.

[Whitney]

I'm not.

[Heather]

Lying, by the way.

[Ronnie]

And so Heather's like, then why.

[Ben]

Why is your phone number attached?

[Heather]

I just want to say I'm so sorry. I'm going back to trying to hack into Sonia Morgan's account because it occurred to me, if we enter in Sonia T. Morgan username, and then what if we say, confirm your email, what happens if I enter in? Watch what crappens. Gmail.com, which is our public email. If I enter that, will it say, we have no email associated with that? Or will it say, okay, if. If that is the email, you'll get one. So I'm pressing next. It says incorrect. Please try again. Oh, Ronnie. You see?

[Ronnie]

But was it on Twitter or Instagram or Twitter?

[Heather]

This was Twitter. So this was stories. The point of the story is that, like, if you try to. If you try to log it, try to do the confirmation email, and the email is incorrect. It says, no, try again.

[Ronnie]

Okay, but what. But isn't this Instagram that they're talking about? Because they're talking about stories.

[Heather]

Do I have to go to Instagram to do this? Okay, should I hack into who? Okay, who are we gonna go? Who on Instagram? Let's keep.

[Ronnie]

For Sonia. Yeah, let's keep us.

[Heather]

Okay.

[Andy Cohen]

Okay.

[Heather]

Instagram.com. yeah, we're doing this. Okay. Phone number or username? Okay. Is she Sonia T. Morgan? Doesn't matter. Honestly, it doesn't matter. You can enter in gobbledygook. Okay. Forgot password. Forgot password. Okay. Oh, yeah, it was Instagram. Okay, I'm gonna say Sonia T. Morgan, but here's the. Here's the thing. It says send login link. So it just automatically sends a link to that account name.

[Ronnie]

So it doesn't have the phone number.

[Heather]

It doesn't do the thing where, like, it's. Well, it says enter in your email, phone, or username and we'll send you a link to get back to your account. So basically, Instagram. Whoa. Instagram. What it does to protect Sonia is you say, this is my username, and then Instagram sends that person's registered email or phone number of can't log in link. That's what happens.

[Ronnie]

So that's on Twitter.

[Heather]

Does not work on Instagram.

[Ronnie]

So it's looking like it's vindicating Lisa, basically.

[Heather]

Is that what you're saying on Instagram? I think it's a vindication on Twitter.

[Ronnie]

Wow. I'm actually surprised. I thought Lisa was going to be 100% guilty of this. I mean, it sounds real.

[Heather]

We need to know how they actually did this.

[Ronnie]

You know, I'm.

[Heather]

We're just trying to put the piece. We're like forensic criminologists who are trying to put together this case. I know that's not an official term, but we're on. We're like doing CSI social media hacking division. And it would be great if they just told us what they did and then we could.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it would be. It would be great. But they didn't. But, you know, I mean, this does sound like what Lisa's saying that you put. You're the one who puts your phone number in there and then it sends you the whatever. So I guess for now in this. In this little science fair project, she's vindicated. But even if she's not and she is guilty, like, what did. What were these horrible tweets? Because the first one we saw, the only one we really see evidence of, is that she calls Angie a flip flopper. So I don't think that that's that bad, but I guess it's that you're putting on a wig and pretending to be somebody else. Right?

[Heather]

You're like friends. You're in the same friend circle. Like, you shouldn't be doing this, especially after the Monica situation. So if she is. Is creating like a finsta to just sort of, you know, on Angie, like, that's really not cool at all.

[Ronnie]

Okay, so Angie's like, well, we accepted it and moved on.

[Whitney]

And she's like, no, it's not me. I'm not lying. I'M not lying.

[Ben]

And Heather's like, why is your phone number attached? Then she's like, it's not.

[Whitney]

It's not. You're dumb.

[Ronnie]

And so Bron was like, well, you're acting like you're above it, but you're not above it, Lisa. You're not. Okay.

[Heather]

Okay. Yeah.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, you can sit on this couch and say to me, to my face, all six of them, that you are not Candace Story. I don't think so.

[Whitney]

I'm not Candice story. Okay, that's not me. I'm not Candy's story.

[Andy Cohen]

The new intimate details. Only you knew about me, about Angie, about Meredith.

[Ronnie]

What are the intimate details? What are the intimate details? Then post them, because you guys are saying a lot without proof. The only proof we've seen so far is Flip Flopper. So show me these intimate details, and.

[Ben]

I want to see them.

[Whitney]

And Lisa's like, no, no, you're making it up. I mean, listen, you know, you're not gonna get another. Receipts, proof, timeline, screenshots. You're not gonna get that because it's not here, so whatever.

[Andy Cohen]

Okay, well, I'd like to move. Can we move on a little bit? I'm gonna move forward, guys.

[Whitney]

It's not me. I showed you the stuff. I showed it to you. It's not me moving forward.

[Andy Cohen]

Let's.

[Whitney]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Move on.

[Whitney]

To move on to it not being me, then, because I'm not. I'm gonna show you. It's not me. I'm gonna show you with proof, and then you're gonna owe me an apology. You're gonna owe me an apology.

[Andy Cohen]

Go forward.

[Whitney]

Okay, let's go forward. Into you trying to prove things.

[Ronnie]

Stupid.

[Whitney]

You're done.

[Andy Cohen]

All right, all right, all right. I just want to.

[Ben]

You owe us an apology because we've stayed your friend, and we've all moved on from it, and we've known about it for years. So you owe us an apology, Lisa Barlow.

[Andy Cohen]

Lisa, you just said that was your phone number. Okay, you guys.

[Whitney]

You guys treat me like. You treat me like. It's exhausting. I'm so sick of that.

[Andy Cohen]

Stop.

[Ben]

I would not accuse you if I didn't know. In my soul. In my soul.

[Andy Cohen]

Oh, man. I could be home on Grindr right now.

[Heather]

Oh, man, I love going.

[Ben]

I know it.

[Ronnie]

In my soul. In my.

[Heather]

So Andy is just. Now. He's just, like, staring at the baklava on the table, like, what am I doing here? How many more reunions do I have to host? What is my retirement plan? Why can't it be New Year's every single night. I just want to get wasted and.

[Ronnie]

Be just staring off into space. And you hear the music. It's just like, what the world needs now, clown. And so everybody's just yelling. They do not stop. Heather and Lisa and just yelling over each other. And finally Andy gets up and walks off the stage.

[Ben]

And Mary's like, no, Andy, I'm wearing elbow length gloves.

[Lisa]

Please, Andy, this is nuts. This is actually nuts.

[Heather]

It's nuts. It's not.

[Andy Cohen]

Andy, please come back. Oh, come back, Andy. I don't wanna see you.

[Ronnie]

And he's like, okay, guys, but come on, guys. So he comes back and he's like, very upset. And Heather just laughs and she's like, we're sorry, daddy.

[Ben]

Andy. And they're like, it's not funny, Heather.

[Ronnie]

I'm out of Heather for laughing.

[Lisa]

Yeah.

[Andy Cohen]

So Andy's like, okay, moving forward. Heather, you said, I watch what happens live. You said that you have the receipts, proof, screenshots of Lisa leaking information. Was that what Angie revealed? Well, that was absolutely part of it.

[Heather]

The other part was the, you know, the con win, fraud, port of it.

[Andy Cohen]

All, you know, sees the word play there.

[Lisa]

Okay, you know what? Do you want to talk about what you said on Red Rocks and the pictures you have on your phone? Yeah, talk about the Red Rocks.

[Heather]

Okay.

[Andy Cohen]

She's like, what you mean Rolling Thunder? Fuck. You want to go there? You want to talk about Rolling Thunder? Fuck.

[Ronnie]

What are these people talking about? First, every time I hear receipts proof timeline, it's just like. It's like a Meghan Trainor song coming on the radio. I just throw things at it and tell it to leave me alone. And I just start screaming to heaven, I never asked for this. Why is this every day of my life? Why is this song still playing?

[Ben]

Why get her out of my ears?

[Ronnie]

That's what happens every time I hear receipts, proof, timeline. So congrats, You've made it to Meghan Trainor level with me. Okay, first of all. Second of all, the Commonwealth fraud, port of it all, you guys never even got the nickname right when you were accusing her of that in the first place. It was not the nickname you accused her of using. Was not the nickname that she used on the social media. And third, they've been calling Bronwyn Conwyn for, like, ever since she's been on this show. I reread it.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

So, okay, so who now? Now that I've got that off my chest, who is Rolling Thunderfuck? And once you come out and you say something and Say when you come out with something and say Red Rocks and Rolling Thunderfuck, you need to explain yourself. You can't just leave that on the table and expect me to be able to sleep at night.

[Heather]

Yeah, these all just sounds like bars in like. Like, Arizona.

[Ronnie]

Rolling Thunder.

[Ben]

We're going to Rolling Thunderfucks tonight. Lee, Son, you can't come.

[Ronnie]

You're not a real friend.

[Heather]

It's like Lake Havasu. I feel like you guys, we're gonna go to, like, Lake Havasu. Then afterwards, we're Rolling Thunder the Fox. Okay. It's so good. It's so good. It's karaoke night. I just feel like I see, like, Katie and Lala going there. So Heather's like, everyone on the couch.

[Andy Cohen]

Knows who Rolling Thunder is. Meredith can explain it. You can ask Lis. America's like, well, they're alluding to a photograph of me with someone that I dated when Seth and I were separated. His name was Roland Thunderonamo Fakacala, and they call him Rolling Thunder Fox, which I find to be very disrespectful.

[Ben]

For someone to disrespect. The Fakacala name is beyond disgusting.

[Andy Cohen]

The family invented delivery focaccia, where it's.

[Heather]

Not delivery, it's focaccia.

[Andy Cohen]

That was the original slogan until it was stolen by the digiornos.

[Ben]

It's a Jewish that doesn't use yeast, called for cocanta. You coming after my culture.

[Andy Cohen]

I feel like my focaccia has been singled out.

[Heather]

Finally.

[Andy Cohen]

Okay, I invented this focaccia when I was feeling a bit during our separation. And I made it with Roland Thunderopolis Cockalo. Whatever his name was. I said it was too many syllables for me to remember, to be honest. But I'm hoping that we settle on a final saying of his name and we can go forward from there. Thank you. Okay.

[Whitney]

But my question is, why is that.

[Ronnie]

Even such a big bomb to drop the red rocks?

[Ben]

I mean, why is that a big bomb?

[Ronnie]

And Lisa's like, because.

[Whitney]

Why do you still have the photos on your fucking phone, though, if you're her friend, huh?

[Ben]

That was three years ago.

[Ronnie]

Okay? So Heather had gathered these pictures on her phone to out Meredith for cheating on the show and was trying to get everybody. It's basically what I'm cobbling together here. And so Andy's like, so what's the big deal?

[Ben]

I mean, Meredith just said she and Seth were dating people when they split up. It is the dumbest thing. I mean, keep going. It's a bad luck for Everybody but me and Mr. Faka, who makes delicious Prada.

[Andy Cohen]

So it's a deal that didn't work out, and that's okay.

[Heather]

So Andy is like, all right, let's.

[Andy Cohen]

Pick it up after the break. Okay? All this Fukacha talk is making me hungry. I'm going. Bye, everyone.

[Heather]

Commercials.

[Whitney]

Here comes one right now.

[Raj]

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[Noah]

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[Raj]

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[Noah]

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[Raj]

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[Noah]

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[Ronnie]

Love y'. All.

[Heather]

So now it's lunch break, and so Heather and Whitney are eating together. And Heather's like, like right out of the gate. Meredith just sat there on the couch.

[Andy Cohen]

Says not a word in Lisa's defense. Like, just sit there, and hopefully you'll eventually get it. Like, Meredith says nothing in Lisa's defense.

[Heather]

I'm like.

[Andy Cohen]

Because that's their dynamic. Like, Meredith doesn't have to.

[Heather]

Lisa says a lot, and I think Meredith would defend Lisa when she wants to, but even if she doesn't, they that's between them. Like, that's for Lisa to get upset about. But this is classic Heather. Now she wants to turn Lisa again against Meredith because Heather is mad at Meredith, but too bad, because you've annoyed Lisa this season, so she's not going to do what you want.

[Ronnie]

And also, do you not remember the entire first hour of the reunion that you were screaming, tag team.

[Ben]

You're tag teaming.

[Raj]

You just.

[Ben]

All you do is stand up for each other.

[Ronnie]

You tag team each other. Now two seconds later, Heather's like, oh, my God, they're horrible people. Meredith won't even stand up for Lisa. Oh, make up your mind, Heather. Like, true.

[Heather]

Oh, my God, that's so annoying.

[Ronnie]

That's so annoying. I can't take it anymore. Heather is just too much. She's too much. And I get that she's. You know, I get what she's doing. Like, she's. She thinks she's just making drama for the show, but it's like, it's. She is trying too hard. Like, at least follow your own rules. You make stupid rules everybody else has to follow to be a good friend or do whatever in your book, and you don't even follow your own damn rules.

[Heather]

I actually really do worry that Heather is the one who may be really hurting this season. I've actually kind of, like, refrained from really leaning into that. I feel like, you know, you know, I have. I have. You know, we've talked about how it seems like Heather is self producing a lot, and that's something that the audience feels. But, like, really looking at this cast, I don't think the audience at large has too much of an issue with Meredith or Lisa. People. Sometimes people hate Lisa because, like, she's like, villain. But I don't think anyone's like, oh, this season's bad because of Lisa. By the way, it's not a bad season. I'm just saying people are not saying that. People. They're not saying that about Bronwyn or whatever. I do think that, like, what's coming across is Heather. It seems like she makes these pivots that it feels like what is. Whether this is true or not, Intention over impact. What's coming over to us is a sense that Heather. Heather is making these. These pivots to have big moments on the show. Like, she's trying to have. Have big Salt Lake City moments. And it's not coming across as authentic. And the audience is picking up on that. And therefore we're getting pushback on things like the whole thing that we're about to get into with this airplane. So when we watch that episode where they went to Vaulters and they spent like 40 minutes, the episode, having a confrontation, I love that episode. I thought that was amazing. I thought it was amazing that we had this. This the sort of up and down, kind of very funny confrontation about the airplane thing. And I was shocked that when I went on to social media later that night, a lot of people were like, enough about the airplane.

[Lisa]

I'm sick of the airplane.

[Heather]

I don't want to hear about the airplane. I think that people would not have had that reaction if they had not felt like on some level they were being manipulated by Heather Gay. I think on if they felt like it was an organic interrogation, which it may have very well have been, but the fact that it felt a bit like it was a manipulation for the sake of the TV show, people pick up on that and they don't like it and they don't want to be subjected to it too long. So I think it's a real problem that they have to have to start dealing with. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Because if you look at all of it, it's pretty much Heather controlling the whole season, which is what they get mad at people for doing. You know, it's like the Lisa Vanderpump and the constant, like, just forcing stuff to happen instead of letting stuff just happen. I mean, you've got Lisa, Meredith, Whitney. You've got all these crazy people on this cast. It can just happen by itself. You don't have to force it, you know, and it's. It's just. It makes me fucking crazy about her. So then we go to Angie, Bronwyn and Mary talking in a dressing room, and Angie's like, lisa's being strange today.

[Whitney]

I mean, wow, she's being mean.

[Ronnie]

Which, I mean, that part doesn't surprise me. But it's more than just that.

[Whitney]

I mean, she's.

[Ronnie]

And Bronwyn's like, well, I think she's trying to stay calm, which is absolutely disgusting. And she keeps saying we're speaking over her. And you know when she's notorious for speaking over people. So it's like she. It's like she got over herself a little. She got herself a little, like, this is how I'm going to handle myself today, and I'm going to just be calm and I'm going to stick to it no matter what. And we have to destroy it. I'm like, okay, so now you're mad that she's too calm like you people. I can't.

[Heather]

So then we go to Meredith and Lisa, and Lisa's like, how do you.

[Lisa]

Think tonight's going so far?

[Andy Cohen]

And Meredith's like, well, I think you're doing great, and I think you're holding your own. I think your screaming has been wonderful. Next segment, why don't you blink a lot? I think blinking is really back dense.

[Whitney]

What was your favorite part? What was your favorite part of me? Do you want an autograph? You know what? We should get screenshots from your favorite part and you could post it on your social. You should do that. Thank you so much for watching me on the reunion. I appreciate your support. Meredith.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, I. I can't point to anything specific that you done really well. I. I mean, I think your elbow looks great today.

[Heather]

So that was.

[Whitney]

Oh, my God. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Blake said the same thing. Okay.

[Andy Cohen]

Generally. Yeah.

[Whitney]

Okay. But here's the thing. Now we're gonna have to talk about the plane ride, and I think we just have to be prepared to back each other because, like, we both know the truth and you can't argue with the facts. And the facts are they don't serve peanuts on the airplane because Heather Gay's a pussy now and she can't. She can't be around. She can't be around peanuts. Let's just hammer on that.

[Andy Cohen]

Hammer facts. And we'll get our old ducks in a row.

[Whitney]

Yeah.

[Heather]

At this point, I. I actually. Well, okay, so crazy rich Asians is.

[Andy Cohen]

About crazy rich Asians. And, yeah. Wants to marry a boy. And in the end, they get into some planes and they fly into enemy territory.

[Whitney]

They play dominant.

[Andy Cohen]

One of them gets shot down, and then they get rescued by the other one.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Andy Cohen]

And then they get out of there and everyone's great and Goose's son is happy again.

[Whitney]

Yeah.

[Andy Cohen]

Crazy.

[Heather]

Which Asians?

[Andy Cohen]

Okay.

[Whitney]

She goes back in a bicycle. Okay, we've got it. We've got it.

[Andy Cohen]

And when they leave Asia, the dinosaurs.

[Heather]

Are left there by themselves and they.

[Andy Cohen]

Will do no more harm to anyone. Crazy rich.

[Whitney]

And by the time Richard Gere marries her, she's not a hooker anymore. Okay, we've got it. Sent it to print.

[Heather]

Yeah, send it to print. But I do have to say, I would be very important for me to share.

[Whitney]

All right.

[Andy Cohen]

To the women.

[Heather]

Yeah. I was very emotional watching the movie.

[Ben]

Right.

[Andy Cohen]

Because at the moment of the wedding, when she took the ring and threw it in the volcano and destroyed it once and for all, and the world was saved, I got a little swept up. An emotion. And that's.

[Ronnie]

No, wait, wait. You went too far.

[Whitney]

That's Real housewives of Potomac. That's Real housewives of Potomac. Come back. Come back to the five and die. Meredith Dean. Meredith Dean.

[Ronnie]

Okay, so we come back to the set, and Meredith is just staring at something. Mary's like, what? What are you looking at?

[Ben]

She's like, is that cheese round?

[Ronnie]

Just the way that she's staring at it. You're not really going to beat the Benzo allegations this way. She's just like, I don't know if.

[Ben]

The cheese is real.

[Heather]

She has intense, better suspicion.

[Andy Cohen]

I don't know about that. That doesn't look like authentic feta cheese. I don't.

[Ben]

I can't tell if it's real or plastic.

[Ronnie]

Lisa says according to these notes, it's probably sprayed. I thought she said it's probably sued. And I went into a whole tailspin of like, is there now, like, suede fake food suede?

[Lisa]

There is, yes. Suede feta. Don't get water on it. It's really fashionable.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Welcome back. Welcome back to the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City reunion. I'm exhausted. I'm Andy Cohen and I have children. Okay, let's talk about Mary's faith temple Pentecostal Church sponsored by tlc. Mary. Let's look at great clips of Mary being adorable and ripping off poor people this season.

[Andy Cohen]

Here we go.

[Heather]

So clips of Mary giving, like at her church, Mary with her son, Mary giving everyone sage advice. Etc.

[Andy Cohen]

All right, Mary, I loved hearing you preach. Did anyone ever get injured by that.

[Heather]

Exposed nail in your pew?

[Andy Cohen]

I've been curious all season.

[Ronnie]

Well, Andy, anyone who did is no longer in the church and is now barely buried someplace. We're not talking about that right now, Namby.

[Heather]

But so she talks about her son and she says the reason why he got put in jail is because he went over to his wife or now ex wife's house and she had filed a restraining order against him. And. But he still went back anyway. And like, he basically got thrown in jail because of that.

[Ronnie]

He was saying that he was going back because he felt that he was saving the girl from the parents. And Mary is like, delusional. That's crazy. I don't even know why I thought that. This has been going on for a long time with the. There was stories that the son was that I don't think arrested, but there was like a warrant out for Mary or something. Remember last year, a couple years ago, because this girl was underage and ran away from home apparently and moved into Mary's house. And so the parents were trying to get the kid back and it was crazy. And I guess that's why Robert married her so that she could legally not be. I mean, I don't know. I'm just putting things together. I don't know the truth, but putting all this together, it's just nuts. This whole story about Robert is crazy. So he went over. It's kind of stalking. I mean, they had a restraining order. He kept going anyway, he got thrown in jail. Then we find out they tased him and she's crying, which, you know, it's always sad to see someone crying over stuff like this. But the story's also nuts. And she's Crying. And then she, she's like, but I'm happy, you know, I'm in a good place. Like, I don't think you are, but I wouldn't blame you if you're not, because this is sad and crazy.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

She's so she goes through this whole thing, and she. He's like, so are you, Are you talking to him? She goes, oh, yeah, I talk to him every day. And he's like, do you go visit him? She goes, no, I'm not going to the jail. Gross. She's like, I won't even go to a Circle K. You think I'm going to go to a jail? No, no.

[Heather]

But basically, she's like, I don't want to see my child in that way. I, I, I think it's too much for her to see him behind the glass, like, incarcerated. But they have conversations that he speaks to her every day, and, you know, she's preaching to him and, and trying to get him through it and stuff, and she's really hoping that he will be scared straight. And Robert Senior hasn't visited yet, but, like, he's talked to him on the phone and, and basically, Robert Jr. Asked for some books and everything. So, so. And then Barry's like, well, Heather, maybe.

[Lisa]

I'll send him your book.

[Heather]

He said he wants to read, read, read. He also said he needs a better toilet, so you have a stack of your books. I'm taking cardboard.

[Ronnie]

I need better toilet paper. Heather, do you have any free books?

[Whitney]

And she goes, I'll send him my book.

[Ben]

I'll send it to him. That's easy.

[Whitney]

I mean, there's a chapter in it about you.

[Ben]

He'll love it. Just ask him to put it on his jail socials. That would be great. That would be great.

[Ronnie]

Nobody wants your book, and nobody wants it in jail.

[Whitney]

Okay.

[Ronnie]

So Mary's like, wow. Okay. And so Andy says, did you read Heather's book? And she's like, no. No. Did anybody? Is it, is it real? Is that a thing that really happened? They gave Heather a book. Yes. Mary, she had a book, and there's a chapter about you. And she goes, aw.

[Heather]

She's like, that's nice.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah. I was sorry to hear about, by the way, your mom's passing. Do you have any regrets?

[Heather]

And she's like, no know, but they've been, you know, estranged for 20 years, so she's like, whatever.

[Andy Cohen]

And then Andy's like, by the way, there's a documentary series coming out that says it's examining your church, and we have a Write in the Mrs. Mandelker says, why does that guy with a talking head have such a bad shirt? They keep showing him over and over again the documentary. Mary, can you comment on that? Can you comment on this woman's disapproval.

[Heather]

Of her son's shirt in the documentary?

[Ronnie]

Well, let me tell you, nothing in that was true except that statement from the mom. Just kidding. I didn't think your shirt was bad. I liked your shirt in that. You tell Mrs. Mandelcore, this is not the time. This is the time for parades, okay? This is a bend parade. So she's like, oh. When he says, yeah, and I know that your sister's participating, and the trailer.

[Ben]

Alleges that your kink is my. And your congregation sees you as a God. Anything you want to say to that?

[Ronnie]

And she turns to Whitney. She says, you're the one who said that. And we see a flashback to 2021 when Whitney's like, meredith.

[Ben]

Mary's congregation believes her to be God.

[Ronnie]

And so Mary's like, and it hurt me. It definitely hurt me, but, you know, I've been through a lot, so just add it to the pile of things that hurt me.

[Whitney]

Andy.

[Ronnie]

Just add it to the pile. Well, it's not how they did not play the clip. Mary gets away with so fucking much with this improved personality. And I love the new improved personality. I. I even like the old personality. I think she's been funny the whole time she's been on this show. I root for Mary, but to just. They're kind of whitewashing this whole thing or, like, watering it down, I guess is a better term, because they could have showed the clip of Mary yelling at the congregation, being like. And I didn't get anything from. I didn't get enough for my birthday. What are you, a bunch of poor people? I don't want to be around a bunch of poor people yelling at her congregation. I mean, mean, just videos like that are damning enough. They could have at least played some stuff like that. She's getting off too easy, I think.

[Andy Cohen]

So Andy is like, well, it's ironic because fans the show on, fans of you were like, leave her alone. We don't want this. I mean, that had to be gratifying for you.

[Heather]

And Mary's like, yeah, felt good.

[Lisa]

Thankful for that.

[Heather]

But they'll see the truth.

[Andy Cohen]

Okay, Lisa and Whitney, any comments about the cult rumor resurfacing about Mary's church? Do you want to revive this right now? Because we had to pretend like we were past it. But now let's get back into it.

[Heather]

And. And Whitney's like, no, no, I stand for.

[Andy Cohen]

On the side of. I'm glad to see people standing up.

[Heather]

For Mary and supporting her.

[Andy Cohen]

I feel bad that they're doing this. I'm sorry, Whitney, I can't hear you from behind that logo. Can you move your head just a little bit to the left sort of. Yeah, it's all muffled sounding behind there.

[Ben]

I'm sorry. Can you hear me now? Winter Olympics coming soon, Peacock.

[Whitney]

Lisa's like, well, here's my opinion. Told you so. And you know what? It's old news. I wish it weren't coming out now, now, because I've already said it. It's like, why are you copying my storylines? That's what I have to say to tlc. Stop copying me. Stop it.

[Heather]

So Andy's basically like, why has this stuck? Why has this. This messaging stuck? And Mary's like, well, I think it's because, you know, the policies and the rules and the different things that our church does, and they're not used to Pentecostal churches in Utah, and they're not used to black churches in Utah. And I just think they just, like, they have just no idea. They're just confused.

[Ronnie]

They're not used to seeing preachers scream at people for more expensive purses on their birthday. I mean, fucking stupid country. Get over it. And Addie's like, well, coffee is love on Twitter.

[Ben]

Said Mary was right about Meredith not sticking up for Lisa on the yacht.

[Ronnie]

Okay, so we're done with all the church stuff. Yeah, that was crazy. She. I mean, she got off easy on that one, so good for her.

[Ben]

I guess Mary was right about Meredith not sticking up for Lisa on the yacht trip. Meredith, what's your version of sticking up for your friend? And she's like, well, listen, I mean, I'm her friend, so I never read the suit. I just heard from her about it, so I couldn't really combat what they were saying about the suit because I didn't know anything about the sou.

[Lisa]

Yeah, Meredith and I are great friends, and I just. I just don't think, like.

[Ronnie]

Now you are.

[Lisa]

Wait, what did you say?

[Ronnie]

I said, now you're good friends. Now you're good friends.

[Lisa]

No, no, we were always good friends. And we had a fallout for, like, a minute.

[Ronnie]

Oh, really? Like when. Like when you called her a. And you said that she slept with half of New York.

[Lisa]

Okay, do you want to go through the list of, like, everything. Everybody's called Meredith, or are you just gonna, like, fix it on mine? Because I'm Like a motherfucking sick of hearing the same goddamn thing on repeat. Okay, I'm done. I'm done.

[Ronnie]

Do not say goddamn to me. Do not.

[Lisa]

I normally don't. I normally don't. Especially when I'm, like, near Ben and Blake. I would never say things like that. But, like, so frustrated. I'm so frustrated. Or wait, sorry. Frustrated. However the you say that word.

[Heather]

It's not a hard word to say. This is not like, we're not asking to say, like, you know, the. Or something. Like, we're not asking you to say faka.

[Lisa]

It's frustrating. It's frustrating. Frustrated.

[Ben]

Well, I mean, it was pretty significant. I mean, it took you two years to be able to come back together. I'm here just like, well, also four years ago, and we've moved on, so why isn't everybody else moving on?

[Andy Cohen]

Well, because I have to say, as a viewer with children, it permeates my thoughts that when I watch the two.

[Heather]

Of you, that the two of you.

[Andy Cohen]

Were able to get to the other side about it. And I'm trying to give a nice spin to be like, isn't that great? But what I'm really saying is, what the hell is wrong with you that you could frustrate. Forgive such a thing?

[Ben]

The funny part is, is that everybody is sitting here repeatedly calling me a grudge holder, but no one can understand why I'm not holding a grudge now. How does that make any sense, Andy?

[Andy Cohen]

That's what's really hypocritical.

[Heather]

And Mary's like, well, it's. It's just. It's just hard to understand this.

[Lisa]

Yeah, well, I moved on from things too. Yeah, I moved on. Like, one time they opened up a new Wendy's, so I started going to that one, and I was like, sorry, old Wendy's. I have to move on from the one on Route 16, and now I'm at the one on Route 17. So, like, I move on. It's, like, not that hard.

[Whitney]

I'm a mover on her, Andy, and that's just the truth.

[Ben]

All right, then why was I criticized that I was a grudge holder when I was upset? Well, I think that it's great that you've moved on, but I marvel at it.

[Ronnie]

Okay, but, Andy, aren't you the one constantly saying, guys, we need to leave here with a resolution? We can't just leave here fighting? And so now it's four years later. Why do we have to fight about the she's a whore in New York thing again? Like, why? And so Mary is like, well, I mean, it is great, I guess. And Lisa's like, well, Lisa, why are you obsessed? When.

[Ben]

Wait, Lisa, were you surprised when Mary took your side?

[Ronnie]

And she's like. And Mary says, lisa doesn't care. Lisa's all about Lisa. And that's it. She probably doesn't even know what you're talking about right now. It just cuts to Lisa. Lisa blinking. She's like.

[Heather]

Angie just. Angie starts laughing. She's like. She doesn't even look like she does. She does.

[Lisa]

No idea. And Lisa's like, no, I know. I. I'm marveling at what you're saying right now, because Andy just said the word marvel, so I'm saying marvel. And I don't want to denigrate the word marvel, but it is a bit of a denigration. So I'm just, like, marveling right now. Like, can I marvel? Like, it's just, like, a big Marvel moment. Like, I feel like I'm part of, like, the Marvel Cinematic Universe because, like.

[Heather]

I'm marveling so much right now.

[Ronnie]

Well, Andy asks you a question. Can you answer the question? And she's like, yeah, well, answer it.

[Whitney]

She's like, I don't need you to tell me what to do and how to do it, Mary.

[Ronnie]

Okay, well, then I need you to answer the question. I mean, that's why we. Mary. First of all, what is Mary so upset with Lisa about? Did they have a fight that I didn't hear this season? Why is she coming to this reunion pounding so hard? Not on Lisa.

[Heather]

You know, Mary, it just the smallest thing. You know, you never know what's gonna get. Like, what. What the B is gonna be that's gonna get under her bonnet. So she's just like. She's just not feeling Lisa right now today.

[Lisa]

So Lisa's like, I'm being thoughtful and pragmatic about what I'm saying, and you should be happy because I'm thoughtful and pragmatic about what I'm saying. And, like, I'm, like, kind of marveling at my own thoughtfulness and pragmatism. It's just, like, a lot to marvel a lot.

[Ronnie]

Well, I'm not happy about anything when.

[Ben]

It comes to you, Lisa.

[Whitney]

She's like, oh, you know what? This is so out of the left field. It's so frustrating. Like, this is wild. It's wild Mary.

[Ben]

It's wild Mary.

[Ronnie]

And Andy says, well, did you even.

[Ben]

Know that Mary took your side?

[Ronnie]

First of all, Mary wasn't necessarily taking her side as much as she was coming For Meredith, Lisa was just kind of a prop in that. But Lisa's like, yes, you know what?

[Whitney]

I do know that Mary took my side, and I was so grateful, and I explained that to Mary. And you know what? Mary and I have had, like, numerous conversations over five years where I've apologized, okay? And she doesn't move forward. She's the one who keeps taking us back.

[Ronnie]

And she goes, no, you don't move forward. I mean, you're the one who sat there with Whitney and said, my church was a cult. Mary, you're not moving forward. That was four years ago. Five years ago. And she's like, did you forget that? That you went after me and had Cameron on the show? Did you forget that Cameron repurposed his house, mortgaged his house or whatever for your church, like, and didn't you? There's a lot in that documentary that I just wish somebody was there to bring up, because I feel crazy bringing it up. But, like, Cameron, the guy that you allegedly had an affair with, you're like, you, your grandpa for that church. Why are we acting like this is all normal? I can't. If you're going to bring it all up again, then everybody needs to talk about it there.

[Heather]

Well, she's like, you're the worst person when it comes to forgiving. And do you remember everything? And you dwell on it and you get mad and then you tell it to the police and you tell it to people. And you're at Bravocon and you're talking about Bronwyn. You're talking about negative. You live in the negative train, okay? There's a train with a dining cart, and it's called the negative train. And they have no food.

[Lisa]

And I'm just trying to help you out.

[Heather]

And she's like, I don't need your help.

[Whitney]

I don't need your help.

[Ronnie]

And how is it trying to help her out, coming for her, all the reunion. I don't get. I don't get this logic. She's like, well, you do need some help. She's.

[Whitney]

Well, not yours.

[Ronnie]

Well, you need someone's help because you're dark.

[Whitney]

You're very dark.

[Ronnie]

Lisa, you married your grandfather to steal a church from your mother. Okay? Who are you calling dark?

[Andy Cohen]

Hey, everyone, this is the end of.

[Heather]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ronnie]

She ain't no shrinking violet.

[Heather]

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[Ronnie]

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