#3185 Married To Medicine S12E08: The Miramar Has Two Faces

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Married To Medicine S12E08: The Miramar Has Two Faces

Episode #3185 | Aired January 26, 2026
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Ben and Ronnie recap and roast “Married to Medicine” Season 12, Episode 8: the group’s mid-season trip to Miramar Beach, Florida. The hosts break down pre-trip tensions, laugh at regional Florida quirks, unpack a blowout over energy and room-sharing, and debate the show's cast dynamics—all in their signature irreverent, loving Bravo-fan style. The absence (and eventual arrival) of Dr. Heavenly looms large, and the discussion is interspersed with delicious sidebars about podcast anniversaries, mall Dairy Queens, and “dolphin energy.”

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Podcast Anniversaries and Gay Lists

[01:48–03:18]

• The podcast celebrated its 14th anniversary.
• The hosts question their “gay podcast” status since they've never made such lists, sparring hilariously about what qualifies as a gay podcast.

  Ronnie: “Do we get to call this gay years? Because we’re gay and so gay marriage is longer. It’s like dog years.” (02:22)

2. Miramar Beach: Geography, Vibes, and Google Maps Wonders

[04:29–07:48]

• Confusion about whether Miramar Beach is in the Miami area or Panhandle ensues; Google Maps highlights Ben & Jerry’s, Auntie Anne's, and Dairy Queen as the local “attractions.”

  Ben: "When you search on Google Maps for Miramar Beach, it says Miramar Beach… Ben & Jerry’s. That’s like the only thing!” (05:52)

• Side chatter about Florida regional quirks and whether Niceville, FL would allow them entry.

3. Pre-Trip Packing: Housewives-Style

[07:55–09:59]

• Scenes of the cast packing, dissected with quippy commentary:
  • Quad and Kingy banter about packing a “grandma’s dress.”
  • Toya’s husband Eugene jokingly suggests she bring “oxytocin” to feel happier with the women.
  • Scott is weirdly critical of Contessa’s bikini, sparking a mini-rant about men “shading” women’s clothes.

  Ronnie: "Why are you listening to Scott? He’s wearing sunglasses in the bedroom. What’s happening to Scott?” (09:53)

4. Fallout from the ‘Scrubs Fashion Show’

[10:23–13:03]

• The hosts recap simmering tensions from the show’s last event—Simone fighting with multiple castmates.
• Simone insists she never looked up Quad’s car VIN, jokes about being called “aggressive” and how it affects reputations.

5. Heavy is the Heavenly (Not) There

[13:27–14:49]

• Heavenly debates whether to join the trip, using “Daddy” (her husband) as a sounding board, playing coy:

  “Oh you don’t think I should go? Well maybe you’re right, Daddy.” (14:29)

• The hosts have fun with Heavenly “switching so quickly”—pretending not to want to attend, then prepping to go.

6. Trip Launch and the Newbie Room Debacle

[15:26–24:19]

• Ladies arrive in Florida, giddily discuss Ben & Jerry’s and Auntie Anne’s.
• Newbies Angel and Brandy are “hazed” by being forced to share a bunk-bedded room.
• Sparks fly in a petty but entertaining fight about “energy” and what makes a good roommate:

  Angel: “Can we make sure energy is as good as possible at sleepy time?” (21:17) Brandy: “If all else fails, my energy doesn’t work for you, then Quad’s door is always open.” (22:14)

• Toya steps in as self-appointed grammar police; Contessa defends the room assignments.

7. Simone vs. Heavenly: Fallout and Reputations

[16:35–19:44, 24:19–25:53]

• Simone is furious that Heavenly claimed she was “aggressive” and physical, fearing it’ll damage her medical reputation.

  "If you put out information on TV that I was violent or acting a certain sort of way, that affects my reputation and my medical career." – Simone (18:30)

• Host commentary on the irony, after years of show altercations, that anyone would worry about their reputation now.

8. Pool Party, Truth or Dare & Sex Stories

[29:12–32:57]

• “Energy” is reset by a round of truth-or-dare in the pool.
• Angel recounts buying numbing throat spray for… purposes …and then panicking when she couldn’t swallow:

  “I sprayed my throat, and it went numb. I’m running around…I couldn’t even bless the man!” – Angel (30:12)

• Brandy demonstrates “how to get twins” via a vivid, gymnastic move ("let it marinate").
• Contessa confesses she prefers flying planes over blowjobs, but “settling for Scott isn’t so bad.”

9. Dolphin Experiences & Lunch Drama

[34:15–38:42 (Dolphins), 38:52–43:16 (Lunch Showdown)]

• The cast splits: some opt for a dolphin encounter, others for a dull hotel lunch.
• Quad jokes that now she wants a baby, she sees them everywhere ("reticular activating system").
• Toya calls out Angel for “not respecting the buddy system” in her romantic life—Angel claps back, setting new boundaries.

  Angel: “And I don’t need your help! I’m amazing!” (43:04)

10. Heavenly Arrives: The Show Is Saved

[46:01–52:43]

• Heavenly finally joins, bringing a breath of life (and chaos).

  Ronnie: “When Heavenly said she’s not going to go on that trip, I audibly gasped and cried…this show needs Heavenly.” (53:36)

• Toya makes weatherwoman jokes about “Hurricane Heavenly” landing.
• Bickering resumes between Simone and Heavenly; shade is thrown about physical altercations, hat gifts, and the group’s need for drama.

11. Meta-Banter: Podcasting, Bravo Dynamics, and Animal Comparisons

[53:48–57:44]

• The hosts muse on cast “essential ingredients” (Quad, Simone, Heavenly, Toya, Jackie), and compare OGs to newbies—newcomers “nice but lack star quality.”
• Ben confesses to walking like a penguin, and both hosts riff on accidental animal lookalikes.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Podcasting as Gay Marriage:

  “That means we’ve been married 98 years. In gay years.” – Ronnie (02:22)

• Miramar Beach as Destination:

  “The only things Google shows for Miramar Beach are an Auntie Anne’s and a DQ…they’re really pushing the main highlights!” – Ben (05:52)

• On Simone’s Reputation:

  “If you put out information on TV that I was violent or acting a certain sort of way, that affects my reputation and my medical career.” – Simone (18:30)

• Dolphin Similes:

  “Dolphins look like the aliens from Alien, I swear…” – Ben (44:55) “I think [David Harbour] looks like a dolphin.” – Ronnie (45:42)

• Game Night Woes:

  “Whenever it’s, ‘let’s play a game,’ it’s my cue to get a snack from the kitchen, because when I get back in ten minutes you’ll still be playing the game.” – Ben (53:36)

• The Value of Dr. Heavenly:

  “This show needs Heavenly—the second she came back on, I was like, oh thank god, the show is saved.” – Ronnie (53:36)

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Important Timestamps

• 01:48 – Podcast Anniversary, “gay years” discussion
• 05:52 – Google Maps Miramar Beach highlights
• 13:27–14:49 – Heavenly waffles on going to the trip
• 16:35, 24:19 – Simone explains why her “aggressive” label is damaging
• 21:17–22:24 – Angel & Brandy’s “energy” room fight
• 29:12 – Poolside truth or dare, Angel’s numbing spray story
• 38:52–43:16 – Toya and Angel’s lunch confrontation
• 46:01 – Heavenly arrives at lunch, “Hurricane Heavenly”
• 53:36 – Ronnie’s declaration on the necessity of Dr. Heavenly
• 54:34–57:44 – Reflections on OG cast vs. newbies; animal simile sidebar

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Final Thoughts & Host Takeaways

• The show “demands its OGs”—Heavenly and Quad are critical for entertainment value.
• The newbie “energy fight” is fun but no substitute for the OGs’ larger-than-life drama.
• The hosts appreciate that Married to Medicine remains remarkably consistent across 12 seasons, with the main cast still in place and plenty of “classic reality TV bickering.”

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Transcript

[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Kerr]

And sometimes oily stools.

[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Kerr]

Treat people who can't digest food normally.

[Ronnie Caram]

Because their pancreas doesn't make enough enzymes.

[Ben Kerr]

Creon may increase your chance of fibrosing.

[Ronnie Caram]

Colonopathy, a rare bowel disorder.

[Ben Kerr]

Tell your doctor if you have a history of intestinal blockage or scarring or.

[Ronnie Caram]

Thickening of your bowel wall, if you.

[Ben Kerr]

Are allergic to pork, or if you.

[Ronnie Caram]

Have gout, kidney problems or worsening of painful swollen joints. Call your doctor if you have any.

[Ben Kerr]

Unusual or severe gastrointestinal symptoms or allergic reactions.

[Ronnie Caram]

Take Creon as directed by your doctor.

[Ben Kerr]

And always with food. Do not chew capsules, as this may cause mouth irritation.

[Ronnie Caram]

Other side effects may include blood sugar changes, gas, dizziness, sore throat and cough. These are not all the side effects of Creon. Call 800-633-9110 or visit creoninfo.com to learn more. That's C-O-Ninfo.com I'm asking my doctor about EPI and if Creon could help.

[Ben Kerr]

Hello and welcome to Watch what Crappins, a podcast about all the crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Kerr and joining me today on this ostentious. But I was trying to say. I started saying ostentatious but I went. I meant to say ostensible day, auspicious day. It's Ronnie Caram. Hi, Ronnie, how are you?

[Ronnie Caram]

Hi, how are you there?

[Ben Kerr]

Really? Right out the gates. Happy birthday. Still our birthday for the podcast. We turned 14 yesterday, so happy birthday to us. Thanks everyone who has listened and supported us for 14 years and helped us grow from this random side project with bad audio and indie music at the start of it and grow it into what it is today. So we really appreciate you and we would.

[Ronnie Caram]

Still basically the same.

[Ben Kerr]

Yeah, pretty much the same.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know, let's be honest, 14 years.

[Ben Kerr]

Later, still having audio issues.

[Ronnie Caram]

Do we get to call this gay years that we've been together because we're gay and so gay marriage is longer. It's like dog years, Right? When you've been married for 14 years, that means we've been married for 98 years. In gay years.

[Ben Kerr]

Yeah, but we are gay. But I don't know if this is a gay podcast because it's about brava based on the fact that we were never included on any sort of list about gay podcasts.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, that's. You don't need to be on a list to have a dick in your mouth, Ben.

[Ben Kerr]

We're a closeted gay podcast.

[Ronnie Caram]

You're not gay until another gay calls you gay. So.

[Ben Kerr]

That's right.

[Ronnie Caram]

Who cares? Why are you paying attention to gay lists?

[Ben Kerr]

No, I just think it's really funny. I just think it's very funny that like.

[Ronnie Caram]

This a way to start 14th year worrying about gay lists.

[Ben Kerr]

Oh, man. We are the Colton Underwoods of podcasting right now. Rejected by the gays. So today we are talking about married to medicine. And before we do that, if you're listening to this in time, we are going to be on Amazon live to talk about some cool things that we've purchased. And on top of that we have ad free on our Patreon, which is pretty groovy. And on top of that we have a new newsletter. The newsletter is back. It is revamped and the latest one just came out. If you want to find that newsletter, it's on Patreon and it's a free thing on Patreon. It's open to all. It just lives on Patreon. So sign up there. It's like a basically a blog.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's a blog. Back to the blogging days for us. We're back to the blocking days. Yeah. So we're doing that. And the crappies is coming up February 27th. So we're getting ready, writing our music, writing our sketches, doing all of that, getting our kids. Yes, that's fun. You can get tickets now over@watch whatcrappens.com and next week voting begins. So come back for that. Check our socials and all this. That good stuff for that. Obviously it'll be announced in the newsletter too. We're really pushing that one.

[Ben Kerr]

Yeah. Yeah. Sign up. Have fun. Today it's time for marriage medicine. It is our mid season girls trip to beautiful, scenic Miramar, Florida. So I Miramar beach. Like I've heard of Miramar beach but I don't, I don't inherently know where Miramar beach is. It's giving panhandle vibes especially because a contest at one point says that it's close to. Did you say Pensacola? Where she be learned how to pilot a helicopter. It's like reminding me of like Destin Florida. It's giving Me those vibes. You want to drill.

[Ronnie Caram]

Dustin's nice, right?

[Ben Kerr]

I think Destin is quote unquote nice. I don't know if it's like, nice nice.

[Ronnie Caram]

I think it's like, well, this is in Broward County.

[Ben Kerr]

Okay. Really?

[Ronnie Caram]

So it's in the Miami metropolitan area.

[Ben Kerr]

Okay, So I completely got this wrong. I don't know why. I got Panhandle vibes.

[Ronnie Caram]

And I know it's a good place because there's a seminal Hard Rock Hotel and Casino there.

[Ben Kerr]

Oh, pretty good. Oh, wait, no. Wow.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay.

[Ben Kerr]

Earthquakes come through Miramar Beach.

[Ronnie Caram]

Just random attacks on Miramar over there.

[Ben Kerr]

I don't know. I'm sorry. I just was. Listen to say it's in the Panhandle's non attack. I just said. Wait. No, Ronnie, you lie.

[Ronnie Caram]

I did. What? I looked it up on the Internet.

[Ben Kerr]

Okay, first of all, I looked it up on the Internet as well, and guess where it is. The Panhandle. It's actually next to Destin. Not only is it next to Destin, but when you do a search on Google Maps for Miramar beach, it says Miramar beach, and then it says Ben and Jerry's. That, like, there's like a big. It like, really highlights that. There's a Ben and Jerry's in Miramar Beach. There's also an Auntie Annie's and a dq. Wow, they really are. They're really pushing. Look, look. It's like the only things that they showed Miramar beach on Google Maps are that there's an Auntie Anne as a dq.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, I guess because it's Miramar Beach. I mean, I like it. You've just made me want to visit there. They've got all my favorite things there. Why wouldn't I want to go there? Sounds amazing to me.

[Ben Kerr]

I'm not dissing it. I'm saying it. It's sounding better and better the more I talk about it. Look. And it's also across the bay from a place called Niceville.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, we wouldn't be allowed there, but I like that there. So there must be like, a Miramar beach and a Miramar, Florida, because Miramar, Florida, is a neighborhood in Miami, okay? It's a suburb of Miami. It says.

[Ben Kerr]

Well, let me tell you something. It looks like it's across a bay or a body of water from Niceville. And also highlighted and just. Just north of Niceville is Maddie Kelly Arts Center. So you know a lot of. And Turkey Creek.

[Ronnie Caram]

Maddie Kelly's. Like, I did commercials in the 80s. Trust me, bring your kids to learn here. Smile Big kids.

[Ben Kerr]

One hour air conditioning and heating. Why are these the things that Google Maps has decided to highlight in the region?

[Ronnie Caram]

1 hour air conditioning really paid for that spot. They're like, listen, Dairy Queen's in it. We're paying for this too. Start a GoFundMe. I don't care what you do. Get us on there. Google suggestions. All right, let's get started with this. I really don't care about Miramar.

[Ben Kerr]

I'm enjoying the regional sights and sounds.

[Ronnie Caram]

They've got a Dairy Queen. That's all I need to know. Okay.

[Ben Kerr]

Okay. We're going to Miramar.

[Ronnie Caram]

So we go over to quads. And King's like, why does it always seem like you're packing? She's like, because I always am packing, King.

[Ben Kerr]

And this one's people are doing.

[Ronnie Caram]

This one is for the girls trip. Kingy, Little Kingy. And he's like, why are you packing your grandmother's dress? And she goes, your grandmother wore dresses like this. It's like this little tiny short dress that's all boobs. I know my memaw wasn't like, at the height of fashion, but whose grandma dresses like that?

[Ben Kerr]

This looks like a granny dress to you. It's a flirty little dress. He goes, who you're gonna flirt with? Oh, that's true. Nobody. Where's my habit? So then we go to Toya's house, and she's saying, it's stressful around these ladies, as if Toya is not the one causing.

[Ronnie Caram]

You just kicked the entire cast out of your house two weeks ago. So. And Eugene's like, maybe you should pack some oxytocin. She's like, what? How do I get them to take it? Like, what, you want me to be on drugs with my friends? He's like, it's a natural hormone so that you feel happy feelings towards the person.

[Ben Kerr]

Okay.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's like.

[Ben Kerr]

He'S like, how do you think I've stayed in this marriage? We have so much oxytocin upstairs. Then we go, yeah. So she's asking Scott if he's gonna help her pack. And he's like, what? Why you have that big ass suitcase? How long are you gonna be gone? And she's like, for three days. So, like, you know, I have a big suitcase because I'm a lady. And he's like, she asked if do you like this bikini? And he's like, you look like a granny panty. You're such a hater. You're such a hater. Scott. What's up with the guys? Keep on shading all the women for their. For their old lady clothes.

[Ronnie Caram]

So weird. Why are you listening to Scott? He's wearing fucking sunglasses in. In his bedroom inside.

[Ben Kerr]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

What's happening to Scott? Don't forget Scott is an R B music star. That's not forget.

[Ben Kerr]

That's right. With a movie theater. So she's like, will you tell me what happened?

[Ronnie Caram]

I actually just forgot that Scott was an R B superstar until I talked about it right now. I forgot it was an unlocked memory. That's what happened on our crappin's birthday. I got that unlocked memory.

[Ben Kerr]

Yeah. So many wonderful unlocked memories about Scott singing his songs. So Contessa tells Scott that, like, everyone left this, the Scrubs fashion show in a bad place. Or. Or like they all were fighting. She says, that toy got into it with Angel. Simone got into it with Heavenly. And also Contessa got into it or.

[Ronnie Caram]

Or.

[Ben Kerr]

And. Or Simone got into it again with Quad. And Scott's like, oh, man, they've been bumping heads for quite a. Quite a bit lately. She's like, yeah, for years. Anyway, Scott, thanks for filming that scene with me. You really were a great contribution to it. And you can go now.

[Ronnie Caram]

We'll go to Simone's. And she's packing as well. It's packing scene. It's like, I don't even know how I feel about going on a trip because me and Qu got our at it again. And Cecil's like, yeah, I mean, I. I figured you weren't gonna go after I saw what happened at that Glamorous Scrubs event.

[Ben Kerr]

And she says, well, I mean, and who told you I was looking up a vin? I don't give a damn about looking up your cars, girl. I made it as a joke last year when you said, I'm a find out ologist. But it was literally a joke find out ologists.

[Ronnie Caram]

She said, I said it to Heavenly. Quad needs to leave me alone before I look up the VIN number on her car. But I never looked up the VIN number, and even if I did, so what, am I not allowed to use the Internet with this group of friends?

[Ben Kerr]

Yeah. Am I not allowed to find out when your registration's due? So Cecil is like, is it Heavenly egging on an issue with you and Quad? Because, you know, it seems like actually you were in a good place, but now this person's just gassing you up like, oh, shit. Simone's like, right now. You know what else I think is some fucking shit? Heavenly is trying to act like I'm having all these Marital problems. Just because I said I want to have a divorce and I would be so much happy without you in my life, Cecil. And it's always three against one. I don't know why she thinks I'm having marital problems.

[Ronnie Caram]

It is cr. I have no idea where she got that. You've literally said every episode while sobbing that you're about to leave Cecil. What? And Cecil's like, well, we don't know what's going on in anybody's house. Here's what we do know. It's the first thing in the morning, I don't have a job, and I'm watching you pack as I drink a yard of beer in bed.

[Ben Kerr]

We don't know what's going on at anyone's house. And we don't know if they have a basement bar that a husband stands at all day long pretending like he's in the Shining, waiting for Jack Nicholson to come by. So Simone is like, yeah, so stop fucking with mine. Stop fucking with my house unless you want me to put my real thoughts out there. And he's like, don't. Don't do that. Don't do that. Leave me alone.

[Ronnie Caram]

Now we go over to Heavenly, and she's like, daddy, did you see how Simone acted a damn fool, Daddy, could you believe that she would do that to me? It's just me. Innocent Heavenly, with innocent heavenly voice. Daddy was like, go in. Not fighting. I mean, the way she did all of this. I mean, I think miserable people do miserable things, Daddy, don't you? I think there's something going on with her, but I cannot be her punching back just because her marriage is terrible. Her husband is probably having a beer in bed right now, and that's nobody's business but hers.

[Ben Kerr]

And he's like, I didn't like what she said. I didn't like it at all. Oh, are you mad, Daddy? You didn't act like that. You were mad.

[Ronnie Caram]

I couldn't tell you were mad, Daddy.

[Ben Kerr]

He goes, I was furious. I was furious.

[Ronnie Caram]

Look, this is my furious face. Oh, Daddy, Daddy. Oh, you're really furious right now, Danny. Well, they tried to trigger me, Daddy.

[Ben Kerr]

And I don't feel like I've done anything to Simone.

[Ronnie Caram]

I've been, like a really good friend. I really don't think so, Daddy.

[Ben Kerr]

So why don't. You don't think I should go, do you? You think I shouldn't go to the trip? Do you think it's our daddy?

[Ronnie Caram]

Cause I don't really want to go.

[Ben Kerr]

On the trip, but, like, if I don't have to go on the trip. I won't go on the trip. Trip, Daddy.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, she did. She. She switched so quickly. She's literally putting clothes in there. He's like, I can't believe you're even going to go on a trip. Oh, you don't think I should go on the trip? Oh, well, maybe you're right. You're right, Daddy. I didn't say anything. Yep, you're right, saying I shouldn't go on the trip. Go on the trip. No, you're right saying I shouldn't go on the trip. I will absolutely not go on that trip.

[Ben Kerr]

I'm not going on this trip. I don't even know why I'm packing. I'm not going. I'm not going to go. I'm not gonna go. We don't want to go. Do we want to go? We don't want to go, Daddy.

[Ronnie Caram]

There we are.

[Ben Kerr]

We're not gonna go. It's just basically like, colin, my precious, my daddy.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. She's like, I'm not gonna put myself in a. In a bad situation with Simone. I don't want to slap the out of somebody. So I'm just gonna stay here. I'm gonna stay here because I'm an adult. An adult in politics. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappin's commercial.

[Ben Kerr]

So now the other ladies arrive at the airport, and they're excited. Like, Miramar. Miramar. So Contessa tells us that she just. She picked Miramar Beach, Florida, so that way they can relax, put a little sand between their toes, maybe go to the Ben and Jerry's, hit up the Auntie Anne's afterwards. Dq, who knows? And they can repair some of those relationships.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Angel's like, well, you know, I invited everyone to my nice event, and I was just very disappointed with everyone's behavior. Everyone. And Quad's like, I. I apologize. I can apologize. I am so, so sorry.

[Ben Kerr]

I apologize, too, that I did not bring Quad Smog check records to the event. That was my bad.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Simone and Quad joke around and hug each other. So they're fine. And Contessa's like, oh, no. Heavenly. Where's Heavenly? I thought we were all going to be on the same. Never mentioned anything. Well, Brandy, do you know? And Contessa is saying, well, you know, Simone, you're the reason she's not here. So, listen, we're just going to focus on who is here, and we're not going to focus on who's not here.

[Ben Kerr]

We're not going to focus on that person who is Heavenly, who is not here. And she is choosing not to come here. So we're not going to focus on that. So Simone says that she heard that Heavenly called her aggressive, unhinged, hostile. She's saying that Simone pushed her at Angel's event and that she doesn't feel safe coming on the girls trip. And Simone says, I could kick my own ass for trusting Heavenly again. Once a snake, always a snake.

[Ronnie Caram]

So now they go to Florida and they head over to their rental and they're not really sure at first. And quad's like, so what made you select this area, Tess? We're close now, so I'll call you Tess. And she's like, well, this is actually where I went to flight school in Pensacola. So there you go. I learned that the ladies don't know this, but I was in the Navy and I learned how to fly. I was in the best shape of my life. I was running, I was swimming. Scott wasn't wearing sunglasses. Inside, it was a different world. It's a different world.

[Ben Kerr]

Back then I could do literally everything that I wanted. I was incredibly accomplished and my pedigree was amazing. And then I met Scott and now I'm here. We have a movie theater that he has a little director slate on the door that says, now playing. And I pretend to laugh every time he points the fact that we'll be watching another stupid movie. So Toya.

[Ronnie Caram]

Toya gets on Jackie and she's like, where's your friend that she's going to stay home? Then she's your friend. And Jackie's like, well, I don't know.

[Ben Kerr]

I don't.

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't really know what's going on with. I'm not going to be pulled into this. Well, she might come or she might not come. What do you say, Jackie? She's like, I don't know, Toya. Is she that upset? Tell us, leader of Oz, tell us what's going on with her.

[Ben Kerr]

Jackie's like, I don't know.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well.

[Ben Kerr]

So they're like, well, have you talked to her? She's well, not about the situation, but what I'm waiting to do is have a conversation with everybody. Because, Simone, you were on a 10. She's like, all of your people were on a 10, too. So don't talk to me about 10 and don't talk to me about heavenly inner shit. Because once you start claiming some shit I didn't do, there's no coming back. I'm going to 12, so get ready. And she's basically like, look, we're doctors, we're licensed professionals. And if you put out information on TV that I was violent or acting a certain sort of way, I could lose my. That affects my reputation and my medical career. So she, Simone is not playing at all with Heavenly's insinuation that Simone was physical or, or doing something out, you know, like.

[Ronnie Caram]

I know, but I like that. I like that Simone's like, that could affect my reputation. I am a medical professional. I wish they had just cut to the scene where they're like screaming each other's face and had to be dragged apart physically by the other ladies. Like, okay, I'm sure that looks great. I'm sure that looks great for.

[Ben Kerr]

I know, right?

[Ronnie Caram]

For your profession. Like this. We have 12 years of this show. Like, how are you talking about worrying about your reputation? I think your reputation's fine.

[Ben Kerr]

Yeah. Reality tv just in general is not going to be good for any professional's reputation.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Kerr]

Except for somehow Dr. Jackie. So contessa, they get to the rental, it's really nice. And then they're going to go look, choose rooms and everything. And she, Contessa says that angel and Brandy are gonna have to share a room because they're newbies and it's a rite of passage. Angel's like, this is some. Where's the Ritz Carlton? And no one's happy. Like the, the two women are not happy about it. Which is funny because it's like, they're like, we are medical professionals and we work so hard and now we have to share a room together. Why are you doing this to us?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, so they pull straws for everybody else. I like that. Contesta's like, okay, everybody else can pull straws. The newbies, you're fucked. But everybody else can pull straws. So they're annoyed. And now is the run to find the room. And meanwhile every. The younger ladies are checking out their room and it's bunk beds, and there's like two bunk beds and a full size bed. And they're like, oh, geez. And we even have to share a bathroom. What the hell?

[Ben Kerr]

Angel tells us, I grew up in, in a household with five girls and we only had one bathroom. And that was hell. Contessa, you're about to traumatize me. I thought she was gonna say, you know what? That's okay. So I know how to deal with this. It's no big deal. She's like, fuck that shit. I'm never doing it again. I'm not going back. I won't Go back?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, you shouldn't mention that to anybody because now it's on your resume. And people are like, well, she can deal with it. She has five sisters, you know.

[Ben Kerr]

Yeah, she knows. So Angel. So angel and Brandy are settling into their room, and angel goes, so you've got good energy. Okay, We've got good energy, right? You've got good energy. And Brandy's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm fine. And she goes, because I have to have great energy around me, especially when I go to sleep. Okay, can we make sure energy is as good as possible at sleepy time? Because the vibe's got to be good for me, because that's the only way I can roll. Brandy's like, okay, this is a bit much.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. She's like, I mean, I'm. I'm going to move on, but there's things I can't get over. Talking about the fighting last week. And she goes, oh, okay. So you've got bad energy. She goes, me, as a person, I don't have bad energy. Right? And she goes, okay, well, good. So tell me what you're working with so I can just know who I'm with there, because I need you to have good energy, because if you're not going to have good energy. And she's like, what do you even mean? She goes, I'm asking you what you've got so I can know how to roll. And she's like, if all else fails, my energy doesn't work for you. Then quad stor always open. So now they're. Now they start fighting over nothing. Like, literally nothing. It's so funny.

[Ben Kerr]

Yes.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Brandy's like, oh, really? Okay, ladies, ladies. If somebody came to you and said, what's your energy going to be? If your energy is good, then we're going to be good in this room. Is that okay? And angel goes, oh, no. Brandy says that. And Angel's like, yeah, but you were bringing energy into the room. And she goes, okay, well, then bring it down here to the group.

[Ben Kerr]

Then I'd like to add something. You brought that energy by saying that? Angel's like, no, I need to know who I'm in a room with, because when I go to sleep, I need to have good energy. And Toyo's like, well, just apologize to your roommate. She goes, no, because she basically said, if I don't like her energy, then you're welcome to go by quad. That's like, they're. They're. It's like talking to the principal. Right? So Brandy is like, well, that's after you said all that. Okay, do you need a repeat? Do you need their playback? Okay, do you have energy for the playback? So, well, you check yourself, because that's very aggressive. So. Well, I don't know who you think you're talking to. And everyone's like, Mimi's like, okay, okay, everyone. Okay, okay, okay. Everyone's like, let's reset. Reset. On the energy fight. We not compelling enough to take up this much airtime.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Angel's like, okay, well, however you feel or however you took it, that wasn't my approach. And Tori goes, approach or intent? Because words are very important. And this is somebody who knows what oxy slosin is. I think it's not a drug.

[Ben Kerr]

This is someone who's used oxiclean on her laundry, which makes me in a good mood.

[Ronnie Caram]

Apparently, when Toya is giving you grammar lessons, you're in trouble.

[Ben Kerr]

Yes. So Angel's like, well, however you want to say it, that's however she can receive it. Contest is like, toya, you're. You're not. Like I say in so many situations, Toya, you're not helping. So Angel's like, well, whatever. You do understand what I'm saying? Like, however I delivered it, that wasn't my intent. That wasn't the way I wanted to come, and if I offended you, I apologize. And they're like, can we just get into our bathing suits? We don't want to be part of this energy fight with the newbies.

[Ronnie Caram]

So now they go have, like, drinks and dinner by the pool, and they're hanging out, and contest is like, okay, I wanted to update you. I gave Heavenly a call, and she did not answer, so I don't know why she's not here. I hope her family is okay. Nobody has been arrested five years ago, and she's just finding out today if that is something that tends to happen over there.

[Ben Kerr]

Well, I know why she's not here. Simone will tell you, though.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's saying she doesn't want to be around me for safety. Me, a doctor.

[Ben Kerr]

Oh, well, she told me that you pushed her, and that's what she told me. That's what she told the people.

[Ronnie Caram]

I did not push her. I just said, take your off all. Take your arm off of me and do not touch me and use a windmill motion to get said arm off of me.

[Ben Kerr]

Wait, so you didn't say, get your hands off of me?

[Ronnie Caram]

No, I didn't. And Brandy's like, well, even if she did, that's not assault. And she goes, no, I said, get your Hand off me. Do not touch me. I'm not doing this fake with you.

[Ben Kerr]

Des is like, well, I did see that situation, and you were like, no, I don't want to be fake. And I had to take that as an act of aggression between the two of them at all. And quads, like, well, Simone go. You know, she. You know, Simone can go for bad, but she. She's not that goddamn bad. She's not gonna bust a grape in a food fight.

[Ronnie Caram]

This is my favorite thing. I loved this. She won't bust a grape in a food fight. This is Simone we're talking about.

[Ben Kerr]

She's like, I'm a chihuahua. A Chihuahua who could look up VIN numbers. But I'm not gonna bust a grape.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's not going to bust an egg on Easter Sunday.

[Ben Kerr]

I think she was feeling bombarded, and she was not feeling heard, so it frustrated her, and she was just out of it at that time. And here's the thing. She has to learn to not be that way. And I say that as her campaign manager.

[Ronnie Caram]

I mean, look, this is heavenly. This is. Heavenly's bad for not showing up here, because when you don't show up after something like this, you let everybody else on the cast reframe it however they want to, and that's what they're doing right now, because this is a total reframe. First of all, Heavenly did start it by trying to start shit with Simone about the VIN number. You know, between Simone and quad. She did. Heavenly did start it, but Simone did also go to a tent and was screaming and yelling and had to be pulled away by the other ladies in a very glamorous Scrubs fashion show. So, yes, let's all respect the fashion show of Scrubs, okay? We all know what work went into that, and so Simone was acting all kinds of crazy in that, but now they can reframe it to where it's like Simone was just being calm and rational, and Heavenly is trying to make her sound like a monster.

[Ben Kerr]

They were all being so extra about. It was basically a VIN fight. You know, they were being so extra because Simone was being extra that Heavenly spread this gossip. I think Heavenly was being extra in her denial. Heavenly could have been like, oh, I said it as a joke, whatever. Or Simone said I. Or why didn't Simone just say, I said it as a joke? And Heavenly, whatever. And then Quad was like, you're gonna look up my vin. I mean, like, they just were. They really, like, took it to an extra place. Thank God. I mean, I enjoyed it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Thank God. I mean, it could be 10 years from now and you can tell me, do you remember that time when there was a scrubs fashion show and it was space themed and they got in a fight about a vin number? I will still laug. I will always laugh.

[Ben Kerr]

That has an enduring legacy. So Simone is saying, look, we're two professionals in this community. Be a stand up woman, be a woman of character and address it. Address it right then. And Cadessa's like, that's right. And by the way, if Kevin Lee, if heavenly does come, can we can see that emotions were high and then emotions are high and we know this memory can sometimes. This. This can sometimes be a problem. And someone's like, yes. She's like, I'm saying this because I would love it if this weren't a permanent rift in our French, in our relationship or your relationship. Someone's like, oh, it's permanent. It's very permanent.

[Ronnie Caram]

But if your group can't be honest with you, then nobody's going to be honest with you. Right, Simone? So I hope you felt heard because you were heard. Okay, Simone? Okay, Contessa.

[Ben Kerr]

Hug.

[Ronnie Caram]

You want to hug? I got no.

[Ben Kerr]

I do not need a benadone.

[Ronnie Caram]

Get your fucking hands off me. I do not need a.

[Ben Kerr]

I got some Oaxacan food in me. I got. Makes me feel nice to friends.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, guys, let's change the climate a little bit today, okay? Let's all empty our gas tanks into the pool. Okay? The mood is not what I want it to be. So let's play some games. Let's play some truth or dare, guys. Okay, let's get in the pool. Let's do that. So they get in the pool and they start playing truth or dare, which I know is your favorite.

[Ben Kerr]

I know. Contessa starts with a pretty broad question. Okay, everyone tell us a funny sex story. Okay, that's just. Just anything. Just tell us any sort of sex story. Let's get. Let's get this game rolling. I was like, thanks for the specificity there, Cadessa. So then Angel's like, oh my God, I have a story. I've got a story. Okay, does everyone have good energy for my story? I need good energy. Okay. All right. So I went to the store and I went. I bought some spray for your mouth. You know, numbing spray, you know, so you can take it deeper. And I tried. So I sprayed my throat, right? And then it went numb. And I'm just like, oh, my God. Oh my God. And this shit was so numb I thought I was going to die. I'M running around. I was like, I can't swallow. I can't swallow. I couldn't even bless the man. My throat was numb. Turns out it was poison.

[Ronnie Caram]

I wish that you had been able to go through that with that blow job just to hear what happened to the guy's dick with all the throats. The numbing throat spray on it.

[Ben Kerr]

Like, what?

[Ronnie Caram]

I've never heard of that. It's like having a wiener so big that you needed to, like, numb your throat with throat spray. That's crazy.

[Ben Kerr]

Yeah. She was gagged and duped, so now.

[Ronnie Caram]

They'Re asking about sexy positions. And so Brandy's like, she. She gets up and shows the ladies a position, and quad's like, yes, show me the how to get those twins, baby. And so she does. She's, like, doing, like, a sex move where she, like, squats down on it and then, like, flips herself backwards, presumably with said wiener still inside of her. And they're like, wow, that was amazing.

[Ben Kerr]

Dessa's like, well, thank you for sharing. Oh.

[Ronnie Caram]

But Brandy goes, Brandi goes, no, you get it in, and then you flip, and then you keep it in, and you just let it marinate there. And that's how you get twin. You let it marinate.

[Ben Kerr]

What is she talking about? Cooking chicken breasts or she talking about sex? So Simone's like, well, I'm not doing any dares. So Contesta says, well, when was. When was the last time you initiated sex? And she goes, we were in Greece in April, and I gave head. I mean, I did the whole thing. Santorini was everything. Yeah, Greece will bring it out on you. I didn't even have to use Greece. And Brandy is like, well, what is it about Greece that, like, made you feel this way? And she's saying it was, like, really romantic. Then Contessa's like, okay, Mimi, whisper your favorite dirty phrase into someone's ear, which, I don't know. This. This felt, like, so slumber party. Ish. So now Mimi's telling Brandy, are we giving booty or. Nah, I guess that's her sexy phrase. So sexy.

[Ronnie Caram]

So quad's like, I could be very seductive. Do you dare me? Somebody dare me. And so Qu tells Toya. She's like, do you want to take a shower? And this is the second time of the night we hear how sexy it is to get clean and then get dirty again, because we heard it on Potomac earlier in the evening. It's a big, big night for showers on Bravo. Big.

[Ben Kerr]

That's right. So quads, like, Contessa what does your initiation look like? She goes, well, you know, fellatio. You know, I do that a little bit more frequently. You know, I don't really like it, but it's not my favorite thing, you know, My favorite thing is, I think, pursuing my dreams of flying and things like that. But settling and giving Scott blow jobs, that's also kind of fun, I guess.

[Ronnie Caram]

What did she go back to school for? I forgot. Remember when she went back to school?

[Ben Kerr]

Oh. Oh, when she went. I think she went to back to school for. It was a specific type of medicine. It was like public health, maybe. Was it public health?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, something like that. Because she wanted to, like, go to. Didn't she want to go to Washington and work? That's why she wanted to be, like, the health advisor or something.

[Ben Kerr]

What did Contessa go back to school for?

[Ronnie Caram]

I mean, it's not that here, nor. That has nothing to do with the scene. I just remember public health.

[Ben Kerr]

Oh, my God. How did I remember that?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. You're so good.

[Ben Kerr]

That is good. She went back to school to earn a Master of Science degree in public health from me, Harry Meharry Medical College.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So anyway, blood jobs. So she goes, I guess I think about some spray. Guys. Sorry, that was a sidetrack. I was just curious. So now everybody's waking up and calling their families, and then they gather to discuss the day. And Contessa's like, you guys, should we chill? Do you guys want to go somewhere? Should we hang out at the house? What should we do? You want to chill? And she's like, well, let's eat. So how about some of us go to Dolphin Experience, and then some people go to lunch and so. Sure, okay.

[Ben Kerr]

Which one would you do, Ronnie?

[Ronnie Caram]

Dolphins, of course. Yeah, of course. You know.

[Ben Kerr]

Yeah, we love dolphins. So Condessa is. She's got these Jeeps that are called mokes, and they're just, like, cute jeeps. You know, there's that sort of. I love an adorable jeep where you feel like you could just, like, fall out at any moment and die. God, it's so cute.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I know. I love the safety. I love the safety features on them. With no doors or ceiling, they go slower than all the other cars.

[Ben Kerr]

They are powered by your feet, Flintstone style. They're just so cute.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, they really are. So Simone asks if she's talked to Heavenly, and Contessa's like, well, she responded to my text and she said it was Damon's birthday, and that's why she didn't come. And she didn't mention you at all. Although she did send a photo of Damon with his furious face. And it was this. It blinked one time. And Brandi's like, so she's not coming. She goes, I don't know. But the question is, did she overreact to something or was it intentional to actually try to get you in trouble? Or did it just get escalated what happened? And Mimi's like, well, my opinion, as daytime Mimi is that I don't think she was. I don't think she was afraid of Simone actually hurting her. Maybe she was afraid of how she was going to respond. And, you know, maybe what that could be.

[Ben Kerr]

Simone says, use your words. Brandy's like, we know. We're all medical professionals with very good energy. I'd like to also add. And like, I feel like I that should mean something so you know how much your license and your livelihood, your practice and all that really means. And Cadessa's like, and what's my question? My question is, is that so Brandy tells us, I'm into the group. And every single event that we've. We've had has involved conflict with Heavenly. Some. Someone that goes to extremes is not someone that I trust as a person. So now they're teeing up a Brandy and Heavenly rift, which was already brewing because Brandy has declared that she was not ready to endorse Heavenly's political run. So Toya is now Toyah, Angel, Jackie, and Quad. They go to lunch, and they're in the. In the mokes, and Jackie is driving crazy. Apparently, she's driving very fast to the point where her hat almost blows off. And angel is stress out, and Quad's.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, oh, look, there's a little baby right there. Isn't that funny how when you want something, you see it all the time?

[Ben Kerr]

And the rare sight of a baby in the world. It's been years since there's. There's been one seen on tv. So it was a world of adults.

[Ronnie Caram]

Until I wanted a baby. Now they're everywhere I go. I couldn't even get into this smoke without saying, what, we're taking a baby to the.

[Ben Kerr]

To the store. Did Anyone notice that A.B. grant's baby Baby was playing on the mooc when we got in? It's one thing if you're like, oh, I never heard of that kind of roofing before. I never heard of that kind of shingle. And then all of a sudden, you see that type of shingle on all the houses. But, like, I think a baby is a pretty big. It's a pretty big Category for I notice babies everywhere. Yeah, there are babies everywhere.

[Ronnie Caram]

I was thinking of planting a tree in my house, and now there's trees everywhere I look.

[Ben Kerr]

I was thinking about this emotional wall I sometimes have, and I looked. It's almost like every room I go into has not just one, not just two, but up to four walls. It's insane what you notice the moment you highlight it.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's called your reticular activating system. So if you buy a red car, you see a bunch of red cars. For example, one morning, I told Curtis that he was being an ass, and then for the next five years, he couldn't stop searching for ass online.

[Ben Kerr]

It's kind of like how once you notice that Cynthia Riva wears those cool glasses and wicked, you just start seeing them everywhere on tv. So Quad tells them all that. She tells us that she hasn't told everyone about what's going on with her IVF journey because it's a lot. And she wants to tell everyone once they're all together because she doesn't want to have to say it multiple times, which means that she'll be having a speech at some point on this vacation. So now we get to the dolphins, and everyone's, like, nervous around the dolphins because they're, you know, big animals, and they're like, is it gonna attack me? And the dolphins are there, and they're. They're playing. And then we cut to the other women who are at lunch, and Troy is like, you know, it's gonna be difficult for Simone being around Heavenly. Sorry. I'm just already laughing at how funny it'll be for the rest of us. God, it'll be great.

[Ronnie Caram]

But she said last night she can be in the same room as her. And she's like, well. But she did beat it, though. So they're talking about how rough the event was the other night. And Angel's like, yeah, I mean, I don't really get that. And Tori goes, yeah, but what were you talking about with me, though, Angel? Like, what were you talking about with me? I mean, because you said, like, what kind of friend are you? What did that mean? And she goes, well, when my friend came around to the family reunion, and you said, hey, she's been asking me to hook her up with men. Who are you? I mean, that's not what you do. Undermine another man while he's sitting right there. It's very disrespectful. You should undermine men on national television behind their backs. Come on.

[Ben Kerr]

But also, like, it was. I was surprised that that Was her angle on it? Like, I can't believe you would undermine a man that way. It's like, how about you can't believe that she would put your business out there while you're on a date. You know, like, I think Toya for sure can be annoyed. It's like, you just asked me to hook you up with someone, but you actually, you have someone. Why are you wasting my time? And I think you can say that to angel privately, but while Angel's on her date with this other guy, just be like, oh, you haven't. You have a. This is nice. How nice for you, Angel. We should talk, by the way. Or something like that. If you're really displeased with her. But like, you don't have to, like, undermine the date. You can still be dissatisfied with her and express it later.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And she's like, but you confused me because you would say that you wanted to settle down. And then you asked to find the Woody buddy. And now I'm blindsided. At the family reunion, you bring this guy and he says he's been. He knows you for years. And I was like, she's either willing to up my situation with my husband's best friend. I mean, that was my family. You put my family on the Toya. Your tear Toya goes. And they're just like, whatever.

[Ben Kerr]

By the way, I'm sure, like Eugene's best friend, like, if he's. He's. If he's been Eugene's best friend for a long time, he's dealt with, like, a lot of your antics. Toya, I'm sure this is not the thing. This is not the straw that's gonna break the camel's back back. I'm sure this guy will be so upset that he got set up with a drop dead gorgeous registered nurse. And, oh, he'll be so. He'll be so upset by that.

[Ronnie Caram]

And also, even if you did set him up and she was dating somebody else, she's allowed to date multiple people at one time.

[Ben Kerr]

Yeah, and there's that too.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's not like you say, oh, wow, I got a doctor. So you're. You're marrying him. Right. It's not like an arranged marriage, you know?

[Ben Kerr]

Yeah. So she's like, yeah, Eugene's best friend would have been so disappointed in me. I'm like, I'm sure that bridge has already been crossed, but. Because I couldn't bring someone to whatever. But, you know, but that being said, she does. She does actually have a point that it is annoying that you asked Me to go out of your way to do something that is unnecessary.

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't. Because she was just making, like, a little comment like, oh, my God, if you know any man, hook me up. I'm single, girls. It's not coming to her. Like, like, toya, please, please find me a man. I'm desperate. It was like, some comment on, like, yeah, you got someone who's almost. I'm dating. Yeah, yeah.

[Ben Kerr]

I'm just saying, like, I. I think that Toya, you're allowed to have, like, like, low level annoyance. Like, you said you were like, you needed help, but you've got a guy. Like, why are you. Why are you, like, acting one way? But I don't think it's. I don't think it's at the point where you need to be like, oh, my God, Eugene's best friend would never have forgiven me. It's like, you're being dramatic now. Like, well, she's mad that. That I blew up a spot, but, like, she's willing to up my spot. And Angel's like, you're funny. If you ever want to have a friend, a friendship with me, I don't want you to ever do that, ever. And Toya's like, I'm gonna let you go. I'm gonna. I'm gonna get to know you before I make any moves going forward. So there you go. No more access to Eugene's friends.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. She's like, okay, well, I see how you are with the bed. I got it. And she goes, yeah, don't do that. That. It's very disrespectful. So she stands her ground with Toya, which I thought was good, you know, and she's. She says that that's bad girl code, and it's very tasteless and tacky. And that's probably why she has bad situations in the friend group, because she doesn't know how to be a friend. And Angel's like, and I don't need your help. I'm good. I'm amazing. And toy's like, I could tell Ms. Not Dating and dating ruined people's families because you get to try and date somebody in my family.

[Ben Kerr]

So then.

[Ronnie Caram]

Quad'S just bored. She's like, so, are we good? Why are we still talking about this?

[Ben Kerr]

Here comes one right now.

[Ronnie Caram]

So now heavenly comes. And by the way, this is the saddest lunch ever. They're at, like, maybe a hotel or something. I don't know where they are, but it looks like kind of a Hyatt place. It looks like kind of a, you know, low, low to mid range hotel. And there's nobody there. And the waiter's just like, hi, it's windy. Do you guys want to move inside? She'll thank you, baby. Thank you, baby.

[Ben Kerr]

I would have been weird to have actually gone to the dq. Like just go to the DQ at this point. So.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, they must not leave the same Google maps that we looked at.

[Ben Kerr]

Yeah, seriously. Remember when we went to DQ in San Diego and that was super sad mall?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Hell yeah.

[Ben Kerr]

That was fun.

[Ronnie Caram]

I also went to the DQ in the sad mall in Burbank. I love a sad mall dq.

[Ben Kerr]

I love a sad mall, to be honest. You know what the saddest mall was there was that one in Houston we went to. Oh, that was so sad. The saddest of all downtown mall. Yeah, like green carpeting.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, it was pretty awesome. And then we went to the restaurant after and it had a big huge lit billboard outside with different prayers on it. It.

[Ben Kerr]

Yeah, that good queso. I like the queso.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And they're like, we caught this boar today. Anybody want to eat this boar? We just caught it. We were like, not really.

[Ben Kerr]

I ordered it, didn't I? You actually did.

[Ronnie Caram]

You had the roadkill special, whatever it was. They're like, we just ran this over.

[Ben Kerr]

And cooked it up.

[Ronnie Caram]

Who wants it? You're like me.

[Ben Kerr]

I'm like, excuse me, could I have the boar charcuterie while I watch your Fox News scrolling on the wall? Thank you so much.

[Ronnie Caram]

Can I have a baked potato? I love dolphins.

[Ben Kerr]

You know what's so funny about the dolphins in this episode? I was looking at them because the women sort of lined up and dolphins came over to them. They were so cute. And they're there, but you really only see the top of the dolphins head and their snout. I was like, they look so much like the alien and aliens. I wonder if like, dolphins were part of the inspiration for. For that, like the xenomorph art. Right? Did they?

[Ronnie Caram]

You know who I think dolphins look like? And it's someone I don't really even like. I think it's the guy from Stranger Things. Things. David. David. The one who kind of went nuts or whatever. Yeah, the one Lily Tomlin. Lily Tomlin wrote all the songs about. Yeah. Your fraternity brother, Harbor. Yeah. David.

[Ben Kerr]

David Harbour.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. I think he looks like a dolphin.

[Ben Kerr]

I can see like a really drunk.

[Ronnie Caram]

Scraggly dolphin who bowls.

[Ben Kerr]

Yeah. There was a girl in my high school who looked like a dolphin. I felt like. And I would. I would call her dolphin not to her face, I would just refer to her as dolphin. And, yeah, some people just look like dolphins. That's just the way it is.

[Ronnie Caram]

So heavenly comes into this sad lunch, and she's like, yellow, loud as hell. I could hear you all the way. All the way outside. And they're like, oh, hi. And it's awkward. And she's like, listen, I just left the airport. Hi, Ms. Toya. And Toya's like, you know, you got to be careful when you touch people. Okay, we got an issue. Okay, so what, are you gonna touch people now?

[Ben Kerr]

She's like, I'm not gonna touch you because you're gonna say I'm being aggressive. So, Heavenly, is everybody doing good? What's everyone doing? It's like, we are doing good. We actually had a really good night yesterday, and we had a lot of fun, and I honestly didn't think you were gonna come, right? Oh, and Heavenly's like, well, I need a little bit of a mental break for a second. So I spent some time with my man because his birthday is actually tonight. So I spent some. And we did some things last night that we were really good. Everything's really good.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, what kind of things did you do exactly? They did some married things. Jackie, you don't have to ask questions about every little thing. So heavenly, the producer asks her why she came after all. And she's like, well, someone was saying a lot about me that I wasn't there. And quad called me and said, listen, bitch, this is what's going down. So I came to set the record straight.

[Ben Kerr]

Well, if I'd have known you were you were coming, I'd have gotten you a hat. I don't know why that's so funny to me. Like, oh, shucks. Missed out on a hat from Toya. And Heaven's like, where'd you get that from? She's like, no, that was a lie. I didn't have a hat in the first place. Hat joke. Or as I call it, hat trick. Heaven's like, okay, well, then where's the hat? There is no hat. Wait a second. So you're saying there's no hat? You know, I'm trying to run for office. You're supposed to give me a hat for running for office.

[Ronnie Caram]

So the other ladies at the dolphin thing, they were too scared of the dolphins. Dolphins are nice. Stop screaming around the dolphins, okay? You're in the dolphins home. It's like walking into somebody's home and then just start screaming at the top of your lungs, they're dolphins. Be nice to Them.

[Ben Kerr]

It's also like you've basically abducted the dolphins and you're keeping them in captivity, and then you're gonna be scared of them.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, you're the one that. You're the one that's screaming. The dolphin is in jail. The dolphin is being forced to do tricks by these two nitwits who are like, look at us, we can raise our hand. And now watch. The dolphin walks backwards on its tail. All for a little fish like you are. You are holding them hostage. Okay? And then now you're. Now you're the one screaming. It's like going to visit a prison and just screaming at all the prisoners, like you're terrified you're in their home.

[Ben Kerr]

Yeah, exactly. Although I feel like maybe one of the dolphins is just like. Honestly, I know that we're captive, but I just love entertaining. Yeah, it's like the kid coming out to entertain a parent's friends at a dinner party.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. It's like you open the cage door and he wouldn't even leave. He'd be like, showtime's at 8. What are you talking about? But I like that they're screaming and they're like, oh, my God, these dolphins, they could kill me. They're so big, they could eat me. And then the dolphin opens its mouth to smile and their teeth are like this big. Like teeny, tiny little teeth. The dolphins just got this huge smile. Those dolphins were cute. Man, I want to hug it all.

[Ben Kerr]

So cute. I love dolphins. So they're. Now the dolphin girls are heading back. And not.

[Ronnie Caram]

Not to be confused with the girl you went to school with. What's her heart? She's probably listening to this at somewhere, just being like, God, well, happy anniversary to you.

[Ben Kerr]

She'll never know who she is.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, she knows.

[Ben Kerr]

She has no idea.

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't think you walk through life with a dolphin face and don't know that you have it. At some point, somebody's been like, you look like a dolphin. People are monsters.

[Ben Kerr]

Is that the worst thing to look like, though? By the way, someone said if you're.

[Ronnie Caram]

A dolphin, it's not. I mean, if you're a dolphin, it's so cute. But if you're not a dolphin, it's a pretty bad thing to look like. It wants to be told they look like a dolphin.

[Ben Kerr]

Him. What animal do people want to be compared to? I guess no one wants to be compared to any animal. But people say I actually often walk like a penguin. And I've accepted that.

[Ronnie Caram]

Really?

[Ben Kerr]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

I've never seen that. I'll watch next time.

[Ben Kerr]

You watch because my hand sticks out to the right. I don't know why. When I walk, I like. I sort of, like, waddle in a weird way. I sort of teeter, totter, and my hand sticks out. And so I look like a little penguin. And that's just. That's just my lot in life. I have penguin characteristics. This other girl has elephant characteristics.

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't think I've been compared to an animal. Well, my sister. One time when the movie Beethoven came out about the dog, my sister said I looked like Beethoven.

[Ben Kerr]

No, no, you're not giving Beethoven energy. I don't think so.

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't know. Maybe.

[Ben Kerr]

I think it was just accessible.

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't know. It's like a cute dog. I. I accepted it, okay. She's out of my will. But anyway, that's neither here nor there.

[Ben Kerr]

Dolphin girl.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Contessa is like, oh, I wonder what everyone else is doing. They're probably just relaxing. Like, yeah, maybe they had fun too. And so now they're talking about how they're gonna take some hoe baths and just wash the good parts.

[Ben Kerr]

No, no, Contessa's saying she's gonna do that. Contessa's like, we don't really need to take showers. Right? Just do a ho bath. And they're like, we need showers. We were just in water with dolphins. We are showering. You're in dolphin dolphin pee water. Okay, There will be a shower, Contessa.

[Ronnie Caram]

So now Toya's like, I think they had more fun than us. And so Heavenly comes in and she's like, hey, hey, everybody. And then, like, she sees Mimi and she goes, oh, my God. She does her, like, really nice voice for the new girls.

[Ben Kerr]

Someone goes, well, I see y' all brought the trash bag back. Enjoys. Well, are you gonna be okay with the trash? Because Cadessa, your friend, is here, and it's not okay. And Cadessa's like, who's my friend? She's the one in the orange. Oh, you mean haven't. Yes. How can't you try to see? We're trying to be shady. You got it. Like the part. The fun of being shady is you have to understand the shady reference. Okay.

[Ronnie Caram]

Simone's like, she passed by me without even saying hello. This is not gonna go well.

[Ben Kerr]

Why do you care about her saying hello? You hate her right now.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Kerr]

The producer asks Toya if she anticipates a shitstorm. Oh, yeah, there's absolutely a storm approaching. Because let me tell you something. Something was undercooked at lunch. But also, I think there's gonna be fighting with the girls. And let me just tell you about this storm. Okay, Let me go up to the green screen and I'm gonna do a weather lady thing. So she gets up in front of, like a map and it's like, here comes hacking Heavenly. It's got category four right now, and we're anticipating hurricane Heaven going to category five once it is landfall. And we are advising everyone to shelter in place for the incoming disaster. It's gonna be a shitstorm.

[Ronnie Caram]

I like that Toria, even in front of a green screen, really not having to do anything still looks like she would have no idea how to do the weather. She's like, and then there. There's a storm and then there. There's Heavenly. And then there. I don't know. What am I pointing at? Am I supposed to point here? Am I supposed to point there? What am I supposed to do? Just put your arm up, Toya. Okay. There's a shift storm. I don't know. Could we get Eugene here to do this plot? It was a pretty cute episode, but I will tell you this. When Heavenly said she's not going to go on that trip, I audibly gasped and cried. I started crying. And then when she wasn't on the trip and they started playing that, like, truth or dare. Oh, my God. How do you get blowjobs? I was like, fuck this show. This show needs Heavenly. I think they just proved to us how much this show needs Heavenly because it came back to life the second she came back on. I was like, oh, thank God the show is saved.

[Ben Kerr]

You and the dolphins, whenever they. Any of these shows, whenever it's a. Let's. Let's play a game, it's like, okay, this is my cue to get a snack from the kitchen because when I get back in 10 minutes, you'll still be playing the game.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I. I love Heavenly. I felt the same way when quad wasn't on the show. I was like, oh, no.

[Ben Kerr]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

No, no, no, no, no, I'm not. We need them all on this one.

[Ben Kerr]

I've been on an. I've been on up and down with quad. I. Quad was like my all time favorite for a while. And then at a certain point, she started to annoy me because I felt like. I think it was during, like the sister circle times. It just seemed like she. Her heart wasn't in it and she was just sort of like doing like she showed up late or she just felt like she also had, like, a lot of stuff off camera. That, like, was the focus, especially the whole Mariah fight. It was this giant fight that went on for three years about something that happened at SDK off camera. And that was like, very frustrating for me. But I was foolish to ever sort of become anti Quad because the truth is that Quad is a legend.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. But Quad did go right up to that edge where she got to. She got too wrapped up in herself or something and it started not working for the show. And then it was, it became miserable. And then when she came back, she changed. She changed it.

[Ben Kerr]

I think she's, you know, she, like, I think the energy, of course, like, fantastic. She did, yeah. She realized, like, like you. And that happens with, with, with Bravo stars. I was going to say Housewives. This is not a Housewives show, but it happens where sometimes the success, you know, they start to feel like they are bigger than the show and they go. And then they, they, they lose sight of it. And, you know, I will always stand that. That's. That is something that happened to Nene. Nene is queen of Bravo, one of the all time best, if not the best housewife there ever was. But she lost. I think she lost her way. And I'm actually really happy that I feel like she's gonna, she's gonna come back to us, you know, because now everyone's. Everyone these days is like, oh, my God, Nini was the best Haku Bravo ever. Get rid of her. Like, you have to remember those late Nini seasons were not great. But they were.

[Ronnie Caram]

But, you know, then we see what the show's like without Nene. It's like, oh, no, no, no, no. We need Nini. You know, there's just some things. You can't make a chocolate chip cookie without the chips. You need them. That's the important part of. It's in the title. You need it. And I think that your flowers, butter, these are essential ingredients if you. These shows, man, I need my quad. I need my Simone, I need my Toya, my Jackie. I think they're all really important to this.

[Ben Kerr]

They are really, they are really good. And I like the newbies, quite frankly. I actually really like Brandy. Even though she's done very little. There's like an energy about her that I just really enjoy.

[Ronnie Caram]

I think they're okay. I mean, they're. They're so much younger and different. It's like a different. It's like two different shows going on at once. You know, like when they're having their fight about the energy in the room. And like, I see Like, I like them because I think that they're making an effort, and I like them for the most part, but they're nowhere near the quality of the OGs. I mean, even in the first season, when you first saw that, I mean, it was so. It was so crazy right from the get go with Mariah even. Which by. By the way, Mariah is not one of the required ingredients. But, yeah, Mariah was good in her time. You know, she had her good.

[Ben Kerr]

I always enjoyed Carrie because she was always. Yeah, this is absolutely crazy. I think she's going to be on Watch what Happens Live Soon. Did I see that somewhere?

[Ronnie Caram]

But these new girls are. They're fine and they're not. They seem nice and I like them. They seem like nice people, but they're nowhere near the kind of star quality that the rest of the cast had from the.

[Ben Kerr]

That's true. That's very true. They're not. They don't have that star quality. But, like, yeah, this show has had some odd casting choices. Like, I never understood why Lisa Marie Cloud was ever on the show. Like, that's just not someone who's compelling on tv.

[Ronnie Caram]

Even when she had some good years, too, I mean.

[Ben Kerr]

I mean.

[Ronnie Caram]

Or there were some good years with her on it, I was gonna say.

[Ben Kerr]

I mean, she. She definitely turned it up. Like, in the beginning, she just was like, hi, I'm Lisa Marie Clad. And then she. She's like. She went nuts. But still, she. She never compared to the original cast either. I agree with that. But, I mean, Heavenly was a great find, so.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. You know, I was like, keep shopping. That's why you just keep shopping, you know?

[Ben Kerr]

Yeah. I'm sad that they didn't bring Buffy back. I thought she was one of the great additions to the show.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. I didn't love Buffy so much. I wasn't too. I liked. She was fine when she was on, but I wasn't sad when she was axed.

[Ben Kerr]

Yeah. Well, anywho, that was a fun little assessment of.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, reminiscing. Yeah, well, it's fun. It's been on 12 years. That's crazy. And it's an anniversary. We've covered every episode of this show. That's nuts. You know, this is one of the ones that we've actually covered. Well, I mean, no, we haven't, because we've taken seasons where we haven't. But we've watched. It's one. It's been around as long as us, you know, and it's not one like Orange county. That or New York that's had a history before we even got there. So I don't know, I always feel.

[Ben Kerr]

More protective and so much of the main cast is still there. Really. The only ones that aren't there are just Carrie and Mariah and everyone else is still. Yeah, still chugging along on the show, which is. Which is very impressive. I mean, when you look at some of the other franchises that got to season 12, it's a lot of turnover. But anyway, good times. Come join us for the Crappies. Get your [e-mail] or on our social media. Check us out on Amazon, check out our ad free offerings on Patreon and our bonus episodes and also the new newsletter. Thanks for being here and we'll catch you in the next episode. Bye, everyone.

[Ronnie Caram]

Bye.

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