Loading summary
Transcript242 lines
- [00:09]
A
What happens when there's so much of. Well, hello and welcome to watch what Crappens a podcast about all that crap on Bravo we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker joining me today for Salt Lake City finale finale finale day. It's Ronnie Caram. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going?
- [00:36]
B
Well, hello, Ben. How's everything going with you?
- [00:41]
A
It's going as well as it possibly could be. Excited to put this season to sleep, the third and final reunion episode.
- [00:49]
B
No, we're putting it to bed, not putting it to sleep. Are you gonna kill it?
- [00:55]
A
Wait, so you just want to be in bed and lying there with its eyes open just thinking about things? No, we're putting it to sleep.
- [01:00]
B
It's limping along. We're putting it to sleep. That's it. It's in pain. Okay.
- [01:04]
A
It's.
- [01:04]
B
It's better for the show.
- [01:06]
A
It's better for the show. We don't know who's coming back next year. It's kind of like a murder mystery. It's like white Lotus. Like someone's died. But who is it? It's hard to know. Ryan and I went out last night with our colleague Dame Brian Moylan and we spent lots of time trying to discuss who would be on the outs. I don't know if we actually settled on anything, but it felt like Whitney was really making a play. Like keep me on a season and you can see my marriage fall apart. So Bravo may take that bait. Meredith Marks. Who knows? Whoever knows with Meredith Marks? She threw production under the bus. Bravo.
- [01:43]
B
When did she. I mean, I, I still am going to argue about that. I didn't listen. You know, here's the reason I'm standing up for Meredith, because everyone's asking me because she's being attack constantly and it's ridiculous. I don't see anything that she's done except yell at somebody on a plane. And I'm not going to get mad at a housewife for yelling at somebody on a plane. I'm not going to do it. And that's why. That is why. That's the only reason I'm not being paid by Meredith. I barely know the woman. I've met her two times in my life. We have not had any deep, life changing conversations. She's being attacked for no reason. Let the woman pop her pills.
- [02:13]
A
Yeah. So like, you know, so I mean, we have a whole bunch of suspects here. We got Whitney, but like she's bringing her bringing. Might be bringing a separation story. Meredith maybe issues with production, but like Also Meredith is a huge star. And then you've got rumors of Bronwyn leaving, which seems crazy. But then it turns out she initiated the separation from Todd. So if the rumor is that like she was trying to save her marriage, is she really? And then you've got Heather. You know, a lot of people are getting tired of Heather schtick. But also Heather is indisputably, no matter how you feel about her, she is kind of the glue of the show. A very loud interrupting glue, but a glue nonetheless. Angie, huge people, you know, like fan favorite. But also disappeared a little bit towards the second half of the season. I mean Mary, I don't think they'll get rid of Mary. And then is there anyone else after that? I mean Britney is just a Britney. She's just a friend of. So who could it be? I don't know.
- [03:07]
B
I don't know. I'm not going to worry. But you know what, I'm just, I'm just happy with whoever shows up.
- [03:12]
A
We'll be happy with. That's a good way to think of it. While you all think about that, let us remind you that in one month from yesterday actually we have the Golden Crappies. It is coming up in a month. It's scary. My heart is now starting to race a little bit as I think about it. We have so much to do, so much work. But the good news is we have, I think we pretty much have all of our special guests locked in and we've got a big one. So it's really exciting. We have actually several big ones and we're. It's going to be a fun ass time. There are still some tickets available, not many but go to watchgrappens.com to get your tickets and we will also be streaming all that information about streaming and the the voting. The first round of voting is going to start next week and then we're off to the races. It's gonna be a good one. A lot of funny things so can't wait for all that. Go to watchcrafts.com it's also on our social media. And then don't forget our Patreon. You can get ad free. Watch what happens at Patreon if you support there. We also have a brand new newsletter. Ronnie wrote it this week. Did a wonderful job. I want to say let's give you a public anti shaming reverse.
- [04:21]
B
Why thank you.
- [04:22]
A
That's hug for a newsletter.
- [04:24]
B
Why thank you.
- [04:26]
A
That's.
- [04:27]
B
I love going back to the blogging days. It's really fun.
- [04:30]
A
Yeah, those are Our routes and it's completely free, so you don't even have to spend a single dime on patreon if you don't want to. That newsletter is there. And bonus episodes traders on Friday. I literally cannot wait. What day is today? It's Wednes. Damn it. For a moment, I thought it was Thursday and we'd have the new episode tonight.
- [04:50]
B
No, still 24 more hours tomorrow.
- [04:53]
A
Did you see that Colton was supposed to be on watch what happens live, and then he, like backed out or backed out or they pushed him off. Something happens so they put up rapaport instead. Wow. Talk about a villainous move. Hoisting rapaport on us. Colton.
- [05:09]
B
No kidding. Was there nobody else available in New York?
- [05:13]
A
But did we actually also really want to hear from Colton?
- [05:16]
B
No, they're having a whole lot. But I wanted to see him at least be asked some questions, like maybe about stalking and stuff. But maybe that's why he didn't do it, because he knew he was going to get asked.
- [05:25]
A
No, this is what Colton would have been like on watch. It happens live. You guys have to remember it's a game. And I'm a human. And I went through so much bullying and like, living for 29 years of my life in the closet where I couldn't even be me and now be out of the closet and I'm just being me and I still can't be me. It's a lot to take on. It'll be a whole thing.
- [05:48]
B
Yeah, I don't need any more Colton in my life. I'm good. I've got my fill. So. So here we are with the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Season 6, Episode 18 the Final Reunion, Part 3. Britney has just walked off the stage sobbing in her very theater kid way. She's like, oh, I can't believe you'd call me a bigot because I supported a guy who's a bigot and just think it's a free nails.
- [06:20]
A
I'm not a victim. I'm not kidding. Leave me alone. I'm not a victim. Okay, so, okay, who's who said. Who's who said that? And Mary. Mary's like, oh, I did. Because she's playing the victim. But you see, this is how. This is how we found her on the plane, you know? So, like, when someone is this devastated, it's hard not to have compassion. But then Meredith has a great point. She goes, right, and what did I just do? Did I pull her hair or dump wine on her or did I just call. I just called her out for her bad behavior. She's basically saying, eyes, eyes. I said I didn't like how she acted. And she had a full on meltdown. So you can see it doesn't take a lot to push her in that level. To that level. So it wasn't, it wasn't having a crazy fit on the airplane to get her to be sobbing like this.
- [07:09]
B
Yeah. So then we cut to Britney crying in her dressing room. She's like, I need a man and the hairdresser or whatever. I mean, these poor glam teams, they don't get paid for this. This is like hazard pay. They are not your onset therapist. And the poor glam person has to there and rub her back, you know, be like, it's okay, Britney, it's okay. And Britney's like, you're not Jewish, Are you okay? And then we go back to Andy and he's like, well, if she took the post down when she found out. And Heather's like, yeah, didn't she make it right? But she didn't take the post down when it came out, which Meredith points out, you know, and she's like, well, she took it down not when she found out. She questioned at first and was berated by the public for it. And then she took it down. And this is true. There's, you know, there's audio of her being like, well, I don't know that he did this. And I need proof. And then if you need proof, go read the other reviews on the page you left the review on, you dingbat. Because there were lots of them. I've read them. And you would have known pretty quickly. But it was days. There was arguments. Was it days? Was it weeks? The minimum I've seen. The minimum I've seen from the person who was affected, you know, the guy who was posting about it, the guy who was affected by it was saying eight days. So I don't know.
- [08:31]
A
But I just wanted to respect Hanukkah. I'm not an anti Semite.
- [08:35]
B
I lit a candle for every day that I left that post up.
- [08:39]
A
Doesn't that count for something? It's the miracle of it's the festival of light. Of light reviews.
- [08:47]
B
So.
- [08:53]
A
I am on tribe everyone. I'm using my Jewish card. So then speaking of dingbats. So Heather goes, well, you know, we call her a dingbat. But now we're expecting her to have like expert execution. Yes, yes, people. I expect stupid people not to do anti Semitic things or support anti Semites. I do expect that from stupid people. I expect like Base level consideration of other people's, you know, races and religions.
- [09:23]
B
Yeah, exactly. And it's kind of annoying that Heather at all are standing up for this girl and that they have been the whole season when they knew why Meredith was pissed off in the first place and are just acting like this is all in Meredith's head. And they're all standing up for it. They're all at fault for this. And it makes me crazy to watch them sitting there standing up for it. It's not like Brittany, look, I don't think Britney needs to be burned at a stake, for Christ's sake. I think she just needs to say, what I did was wrong. I should have taken it down earlier and that's it. But instead she's making it this whole thing. Now do I think that Meredith should be saying, wow, she has treated me differently because I'm Jewish ever since I met her? I don't think that that's necessarily fair either. And I think that Meredith maybe overplaying that hand a little bit. But I do think that this was shitty of.
- [10:08]
A
Of this Britney to do it, I think. And basically what Heather is saying as guys, she's an idiot. Do you really think that she, like, understands how to navigate these sort of situations? That's what Heather's actually saying here.
- [10:20]
B
Yeah, she's literally saying she's too stupid to know we can't get mad at a stupid person. Yeah, but you can't put all your validity in what the stupid person is saying either. You can't. Your defense can't be like, this person is so stupid. She. She doesn't know how to do right. But then say she does not. Right? And you're completely wrong in this situation.
- [10:36]
A
Well, I think your instinct should not be like, guys, let's hold some space for the stupid person, okay? She doesn't know any better. I think you're. What you're. What you should be saying is, guys, we need to find a way to like, elevate, like, to. To improve our stupid person. Let's see if we can make her a little bit less stupid. Right?
- [10:53]
B
Ignorance is not a recognized disability, okay? You don't get a handicap spot for it. So shut the fuck up, all of you.
- [11:00]
A
Only a spot on Bravo. So Meredith is like, wow.
- [11:03]
B
Exactly. You get a reunion handicap for it, but not a handicap spot.
- [11:10]
A
Did you say Andy Cap?
- [11:13]
B
No, that would have been better.
- [11:18]
A
So Mar is like, wow. She's. She felt like she was under public attack, and that's why not. Because it was like condemning what she did. And Brahman's like, well, I don't. I don't think she knew what was going on. I think she actually thinks she's back in Tokyo right now and about to go out on stage as Cinderella. So just give her a little bit of grace and. Well, I mean, we all know what our intentions were. And I know how she treated me when I confronted her, and I know how she was treating me from the beginning. And I know that I was very nice to her. I mean, at my mitzvah, I threw Angie out for her and then she completely turned and started lying about me.
- [11:56]
B
I think those are good points. And it kind of bothers me that Bronwyn's like, well, I don't think she knew what was going on. She took it down. Oh, really, Bronwyn? I thought you were the one who's supposed to, like, stick up for people, you know, like, stick up for the person who's having bigoted shit thrown against them and not the idiot who was too stupid to take it down before. Eight days passed. And I think Meredith's point about, you know, like, I was nice. I was only one nice to this girl. Like, everybody was attacking this girl, calling her names. I got rid of Angie for being mean to her at the Bat Mitzvah. And then she turned around and started being mean to me just to get on the side of the quote, unquote popular girls. And that's not cool either.
- [12:37]
A
No, I mean that. And that's 100% what Brittany did, by the way. Britney had that turn on Meredith on the vacation where she started telling people that Meredith was up late at night crying and throwing up.
- [12:47]
B
It's time for a commercial. It's time for a grappens commercial. You walk in tired and hungry, one bad dinner away from losing it. You don't like to cook. You don't want more takeout. You just want something good. That's why there's dish by Blue Apron. Pre made meals with at least 20 grams of protein and no artificial flavors or colors. From fridge to fork in five minutes or less. Keep the flavor, ditch the subscription. Get 20% off your first two orders with code APRON20. Terms and conditions apply. Visit blue apron.com terms for more.
- [13:31]
A
So Brittany, just. Let's do it. Go to Brittany Cam. Let's see how she's doing. I want this person. Okay, so she's doing well.
- [13:42]
B
And this is also why I can't listen to Britney, because she's in there crying, going, and she's literally saying, I didn't do Anything wrong? That's not the answer. You know, the answer is, okay, I did something wrong, but I didn't know it was wrong. When I found out it was wrong, then I took it down. But to sit there and be like, I didn't do anything. Yes, you did, Brittany, you tears. Yes, it's white lady tears.
- [14:04]
A
It's just like. And that's why you can't just be like, well, she's too dumb to know any better because she. That's how she. That's what she relies on. And also, yes, when the stakes are much higher than this. Than this situation, are you really going to be like, well, she was too dumb to know better? No. No.
- [14:23]
B
And also, you can't. You know, everyone's saying Meredith is overreacting to this thing that Britney did. Meredith is not sitting there sobbing and crying. She got pissed, but she's not sitting there sobbing and being a huge victim about it and blah, blah, blah. Britney's the one doing it. And Brittany, the only thing Britney was accused of was the. The actual action of bigotry. It's like you're crying harder than the person, than the people. You know what I mean? Like, you're crying harder than the people that were actually victimized in the situation.
- [14:51]
A
Right.
- [14:52]
B
As usual. As.
- [14:53]
A
As usual. It's like, you don't understand how that accusation can affect my life. So. And luckily, she lives in like, she's in Jared Osmond land. And I'm sure it has zero impact whatsoever. So Andy is like, well, I'm curious what your reaction to all these other women having different experience of what you experience on the plane than Meredith. So specifically Mary, who sat you down at a calm, reasonable conversation about.
- [15:18]
B
With it. About you.
- [15:19]
A
I mean, about you with it. Oh, God, it's a long reunion. Anyway, the point is, what'd you think when Meredith and when Mary said something to you? But it's like, wow, I really didn't understand it. I mean, to be honest, first of all, I didn't know she had a twin sister. And there were two of them sitting right in front of me. So I was like, which one do I look at first? And then I just got sleepy. And then I turned on crazy rich Asians in the bar. And I just must have fallen asleep before I could get to the ending. Hear what Marian to say about it. So that's one.
- [15:49]
B
Do you remember the ending of Crazy Rotations? Now I do, Andy. She finally gets adopted by a very rich man and all the servants mans in a mansion. That was Annie.
- [16:01]
A
Well, okay. Well, I think, as we all know, in Crazy Rich Asians, the craziest and the richest of the Asians finally gets destroyed by Seymour, and then he goes off and ends with his lady. But it turns out that the crazy rich Asian is actually growing in the backyard, so be careful.
- [16:17]
B
That was Little Shop of Forest. I'm just speechless. Everyone's against me. I wish Andy had brought up the fact. I mean, he's bringing up Mary here. I wish he had brought up the fact that at Bravocon, Mary said pretty clearly that Meredith did not scream and yell and have a fit on the plane, that she was just very emotional, because that was kind of a turn in this whole story. When everything started turning, it's like suddenly we're at Bravo Con, and now everybody's stories are changing. So Mary's like, okay, something.
- [16:48]
A
I just want to go on the record about something before this entire season is put to bed.
- [16:55]
B
Everyone and not murdered.
- [16:57]
A
Hey, everyone hates this storyline about what did Meredith do on the plane? There's no camera footage. It's a. It's a she said, she said thing. It's gone on and on and on. Can I say an unpopular opinion? I love it. I love it. I. I love this controversy because I love the visuals of it. I. I love all the theories. All the theories are very fun to me. I love that it's Meredith Marks. I love that it's like a big. A compelling piece of evidence is Crazy Rich Asians. And how much did she watch of it? Was there shaking of the seat? Was there not shaking at the seat? I just. I've been invested since day one, and I understand the majority of. Of the audience, if not the whole audience, is sick of it, but I just want to say to anyone else out there who might be in the same shoes as me, I'd love it. I'd love it.
- [17:47]
B
Well, I mean, I love Salt Lake City. You know what I mean? And it's still a pretty classic episode because. Because they've left it up to our imaginations. And we know so much about Meredith and how she does act. It's just the scene is amazing. Even though we haven't seen it on film, we all have seen it. And we all know. Even the people like me who are defending Meredith no matter what, know what Meredith was doing on that plane and find it hilarious. Like, either you find it disgusting or you find it hilarious. But I think we all see it pretty clearly, even though we weren't there. And I think that's a testament to.
- [18:21]
A
This show and this show has had such a pattern of drama wrapped up in airplanes. You know, last. Last. Last year, it was Lisa being stuck in a 17 c. Etc. So it's just. It just follows the pattern. And I don't know. This is a mystery. I'm really. I really enjoy hearing that. That Mary back at BravoCon was saying that she didn't yell, like, the. The narratives that are shifting. It's just very entertaining to me. There have been. There have been a lot of other Bravo shows where there's been a big thing that happened off. Off camera, and did it happen? Did it not happen? And I find it exhausting. But for whatever reason, this one I just find to be very campy. And so it amuses me. I just put that out there. The world.
- [19:05]
B
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. I mean, I think this is one of those things where at the end of the season, we're all feeling a little frustrated, let down that there's not footage, et cetera, et cetera.
- [19:13]
A
What was that?
- [19:14]
B
But I think in a couple of years. What'd you say?
- [19:16]
A
Oh, you said frustrated. I thought the word was frustrated. Sorry. Go on.
- [19:20]
B
Frustrated. We've all been a little frustrated, but in a couple of years, we're going to look back and be like, God, they sure don't make them like that anymore, you know, and we need to really remember what we have right now and be grateful for it. So let's all just take a moment. Let's do that. Not of silence, because that's painful. So Andy is like, well, okay, I already asked that question. So Mary's saying, well, but do you remember the things that you were saying before we got on the plane? Because you were mad and so you were fueled and you were angered, and you were talking and talking. And then Brittany comes back out. She's like, I'm back. And nobody, like, literally nobody cares. And of course, she walks on right in the middle of a Mary sentence, which really does not make Mary happy. Mary just looks at her like, seriously. So she's like, it's me. And I just want to say Meredith. She's like, oh, God. What? Meredith, I apologize profusely. All my teeth forward. I bawled my eyes out. I told you I was sorry, so shut up. We squashed it back then, and we're done, and that's it. And we're moving on now.
- [20:25]
A
And he goes, nothing says, I'm sorry for supporting anti Semitism. Then I'm sorry. Shut up.
- [20:36]
B
But wait. I like this conversation, though, that we're having with Mary I thought they were talking about was interesting because it was nailing to the. Is nailing Meredith to a cross again. So we were finally getting somewhere.
- [20:50]
A
Yeah, I like that too. Brittany, you're just a friend of. So you just sit there quietly. Okay.
- [20:56]
B
Okay.
- [20:56]
A
Wait. Question. So back to where we were. Welcome back, America. So you admitted that you were confused.
- [21:05]
B
Yeah, well, I was saying to Meredith, like, there was lots of things that you were venting and you might have vent to Lisa, but you certainly vented to me. So please don't say you didn't do it. She's like, I didn't say I didn't do it. And that's what's making me crazy about it. Meredith said she was pissed. She said she was bitching about Britney. She said she was demanding the TikTok. She said all this stuff. All she's saying is she didn't scream and yell to the point that she would have been kicked off a plane and she wasn't on pills and booze. I believe maybe 60% of that.
- [21:38]
A
That's what you say when you stick to a story that you've agreed on. Okay. You say the same story over and over again. Wow. Heather would be one to know that, wouldn't she?
- [21:47]
B
Exactly. And especially coming from you, who can't even do that. Your story has changed multiple times since this whole thing started it, ma'. Am.
- [21:55]
A
Yeah, Multimo Samaritan says. And that's a hundred percent true. And what I'm still saying. All right. Meredith, did you have a couple of drinks before the flight? Well, I had one drink in the lounge. Was it a foot long? Yes. Was it actually a two foot long? Yeah. The novelty size thing that I had trouble getting through security. Yes. But they filled it up and it was technically just one drink.
- [22:16]
B
I had a drink in a lounge called the Yard House House. And the drinks are a yard long. That is just how it happened. And also they were drink. They were all drinking that morning at brunch because they were on the yacht having their final brunch. So I'm sure there were mimosas flowing and stuff like that. So people were on us a little last week. Like, how could you not bring up that? Meredith completely disregarded the question about did she drink before the plane ride? And instead went into this anti Semitism rant. I didn't mean to disregard it. I wasn't like purposely like, let's pretend that didn't happen. But to me, they've asked Meredith if she was drinking multiple times. It's been the entire season And I don't think it's that big. Big of a gotcha to ask a real housewife if they've had a drink before they went on the plane. Yes. It's like saying, is your house. Is your DNA made up of anything but fillers, alcohol, and a little tobacco? No, it's not. They're housewives. Of course they drink.
- [23:18]
A
Yeah, exactly. Okay, so you only had one drink. Okay, so it's just. It's confusing to viewers that you can't remember what happened at the end of Crazy Rich Asians.
- [23:28]
B
They all got therapy. They're no longer crazy. What do you people want from me?
- [23:34]
A
Well, unfortunately, the craziest one turns out all this time, he was a ghost. And the child who saw the dead crazy Asian, he was seeing him as a ghost. And I thought that was a pretty devastating twist.
- [23:49]
B
Wasn't even an Asian. It was Bruce Willis.
- [23:55]
A
And the craziest part is all those crazy rich Asians got out of that high rise before the terrorists could get them. Well, now you're just actually confusing the Bruce Willis movies that were wrong in the first place. Well, I'm sorry.
- [24:10]
B
Well, the truth is, and I apologize to crazies and Asians, I fell asleep. I fell asleep during the movie. I was watching movies, dozing, and dozing happens. And Lisa's like, I ate alone. She was asleep, so I was just eating. It was me. Me, my Kit Kat, Crazy Rich Asian, the set. And Meredith is like, yeah. And Lisa also fell asleep, and that is why I climbed over her to go to the restroom.
- [24:39]
A
It was very important for me to go to the restroom because I was reminded as I was watching Crazy Rich Asians that everyone was food poisoned from the fish. And there was someone named Shirley on this plane who shouldn't be serious. You actually watch Airplane on the airplane? I don't know what you're talking about. That sounds ridiculous.
- [25:01]
B
But wait a minute. I have some evidence. The descent would have been the end of the movie, which was the climax of the fight, though. Why? Why is that true? That's not evidence at all. The movie could have started at the beginning of the flight, and the flight could have still had another whole hour to go. Whitney, we don't know the timing of the movie and the flight.
- [25:23]
A
It's not 1993 where there's a big screen at the front of the cabin. Okay, you could all start your movies at different times now. But wait. But wait. Meredith being so nefarious, she started Crazy Rich Asians just so that way it would end when wheels were Down. That's not right. She timed it so well.
- [25:48]
B
So Mary's like, well, you were venting a lot, Meredith. And she goes, well, I vented. I absolutely vented a little at the beginning and at the end. And Meredith says. Mary says, well, I don't think you were asleep. She goes, oh, well, I. Mary, you were asleep. All of you were asleep. You've all testified that you were asleep. So how do you know. How do you guys know when she was sleeping?
- [26:11]
A
What.
- [26:11]
B
What part the movie she was on? You're all full of shit. And Meredith is like, well, I 100% went to sleep. And she went to sleep, Lisa. And that's why I climbed over to get out of the seat. And Lisa's like, do you want to know what? Something that really bothers me about this whole situation. I was so upset on the boat.
- [26:28]
A
I was so.
- [26:29]
B
I was so upset on the boat. I felt very alone, and I wanted to.
- [26:34]
A
Hold on, hold on, Eddie.
- [26:37]
B
Okay? I wanted to go home, and if I could have swam to shore, I would have gone up to the shore. But you know what? I was. I was empathetic to her because it's like, what you guys do is wrong.
- [26:48]
A
What you do is wrong. It's a very good and inessential point, Lisa. That you were upset on the yacht has nothing to do with the seat situation.
- [26:57]
B
Although I will say what you do is wrong. I will say it was a shame that they didn't bring up what happened on the yacht. They really didn't go after Heather for anything. Like, we're going after one lady for. For getting drunk and screaming at somebody, but we're not getting mad at the other lady, who was the originator of the getting drunk and screaming at somebody and following them around on a boat and accusing them of and being just completely nasty, which was Heather on that.
- [27:19]
A
Boat and leaving someone in tears on the dry dock. On the naughty boy.
- [27:24]
B
On the naughty boy.
- [27:26]
A
So Heather, Lisa says, I did nothing to you, and I'm falsely accused of stuff all the time. I want to be in the fight. And Heather's like, no, you weren't falsely accused. I accused you of what I felt is true, and I still believe is true, Molly Sorensen style. Lisa is like, I was falsely accused, okay? What you feel and the truth are very different things. Well, now I still think it's true, and I still love you, because the gaslighting never has to end. And I still want to be your friend, which is astonishing. But you leaked it. Every single person here. You're like, an old house on hgtv. Leak after leak after leak. Someone send in a homely couple to renovate it, because all I see is water dripping from the ceiling. And I still love you for it. It's my favorite part of you. But it's. That's my least favorite part of you, Lisa.
- [28:19]
B
You're a sociopath.
- [28:21]
A
You're a narcissist.
- [28:22]
B
You're a horrible human being, and I love you, Lisa Barlow, what kind of speech is this?
- [28:28]
A
I know.
- [28:29]
B
She's, like, holding the. She's, like, holding the boombox above her head outside and then just throwing it at her head. You know, what kind of fucking climax is this?
- [28:38]
A
And she's like, the crazy part is, I still want to be your friend. Which is astonishing because she's still trying to get the ride or die point. Like, Heather. Heather is constantly in pursuit of ride or die credit on this show. Like, this is her damage. Like, something in her life has propelled her to be someone that says, like, despite everything, but I'm so. You're right. Or die. So Lisa's like, well, I don't know if I want to be your friend. If you think that's true. Which I'm like, thank you, Lisa. Just. And I've told you on the boat when you said, like, you've done mean things to all of us. I do think it's true. And you know why I think it's true. And I gave you the receipt and the proof and the timeline and the screenshot. Okay, we got it. We got it. And you know exactly why. And we resolved it on the raft. And I said, I won't bring it up, but if you're gonna go there, I'm gonna go there.
- [29:26]
B
Go there, Heather, then go there. Do you have anything. Do you have any evidence other than screaming and saying what you believe? Such bullshit. So Lisa's like, well, I was having.
- [29:36]
A
A moment is over, but I love you.
- [29:40]
B
And Lisa's like, I was having a moment. I was. You know what? I was having my feelings, Okay? I was sharing my feel. My feelings. Like, break me off a piece of that feel feel bar. But now it's about Heather's feelings. It's about your feelings. Okay, you know what?
- [29:54]
A
So.
- [29:54]
B
Okay, so let's hear your feelings, Heather, because I was sharing mine, and I won't be vulnerable. Fine. I won't say exactly how I feel. Exactly what I mean. Just continue talking, Heather. And Heather's like, love you.
- [30:05]
A
Love you, Lisa. Mary's like, lisa, you can't cry about the things that you did in the past. And she's like, I'm not gonna take accountability for fucking shit I don't do, okay? She's like, relax. Just relax. Relax, babe. It's not that serious. No, no. This is the end of the story. I am not gonna be saying I did something I didn't do. Enough. Enough. I didn't kill jfk, okay? Jfk. Blown away. What else do I have to say?
- [30:31]
B
Lisa, you did it. That's why you're known as Grassy Knoll. Everybody knows it. She's like, no, I'm not gon. I did not do. I'll own it. Okay, you know what? I'll own every single thing I've ever done. I've made a lot of bad decisions in my attempt to be liked. And I have boundaries now. And I love you, but I'm not gonna back down on this. The worst thing I ever did was forgiving you for being an emotional terrorist. Lisa. I admit it. I'm guilty.
- [30:58]
A
I'm not gonna own something I didn't do, okay? And I will not pay a lot for that muffler. Something I did not do is pay a lot for the muffler. And I'm done. I'm done. But I empathize. I emphasize I empathize with Meredith. And I literally was, like, crying so hard, by the way. I was, like, crying so hard. It was, like, so pretty, and, like, I felt, like, so alone and so isolated, but, like, very pretty. And, like, that's, like, what you were doing to her, and that's what everyone was doing to her.
- [31:25]
B
That's not true, Lisa. It's not true. I mean, it's not true that we were going after you, and then we couldn't nail you down. We decided to go after Meredith instead. So, what, you think. What's happening with her? What's happened to me? You iced me out for two years, Heather. Oh, my God. You were an asshole. So she didn't speak to you? I don't understand this whole, like, you iced me out. You were an asshole. You're about to be iced out again for being an asshole. And then you're gonna wonder why and start crying about it as if you didn't spend the entire year trying to come after her.
- [31:56]
A
Okay, all right, stop. I'm not following the thread of this argument anymore because it's supposed to be about crazy rich Asians, but for whatever reason, Heather's screaming, or should I say screeching. Have to take it from me. I'm the host. Screecher. Anyway, Harper, from Columbus said, Whitney, what did you think of Meredith handing out drug tests at the tea party? Which is a funny thing to say if you really think about it. Despite what she says, she would never take one. Well, okay. Well, I won't take one. I just want. For the record, I would definitely take a drug test, and I'm happy to. And I have one here today, and if you want me to take it, I will take a drug test every single day. And my drug tests. I mean, a margini drugs.
- [32:40]
B
This benzo is a drug test.
- [32:44]
A
I'm gonna test how well I do with it in my system.
- [32:48]
B
How crazy is it that Meredith is carrying around a drug test in her purse? Like, what. Why do you have a. What are you doing with the drug test in your purse? It's like, I would take it every day, and I do not do drugs because this story is incredibly damaging to my business. Who wants to buy jewelry from somebody? Who's Andre. Who wants to go see a DJ show by somebody on drugs?
- [33:12]
A
If there's one place that drugs have. No, no. No place in being is at a DJ show.
- [33:17]
B
Okay, I will literally take a drug test every single day. Every single day.
- [33:25]
A
If I'm caught on drugs, do you know what that will do to my small jewelry boutique? Do you know what that could do to my board game?
- [33:36]
B
You know, I. Andy. I just wish sometimes I could be the one in Andy's ear to be like, go get her, Andy. And just say, tell Whitney to take that drug test. Tell Whitney and Heather. Who are the biggest. Well, I think Whitney is the biggest accuser. Make her pop a squat. She brought the drug test. Nobody took the drug test. You all should take the drug test. I think a you all. And you know, I would say the same thing at my own intervention if I had my family all sitting there saying, oh, Ronnie, we're so worried about you. You just seem so off the rails lately. We. You really need to get help. I would say, okay, I'll go get help after you all take this drug test, and we'll see what hypocrites you all are. Okay? You franzia soaked accuser. Take it. Take it now.
- [34:22]
A
Commercials. Here comes one right now. When you say Andy. Andy. Andy. To answer your question, I thought the drug test was diabolical, but then I thought it was funny. So Andy's like, all righty. Well, potato from is a lovely starchville, says Whitney. Well, whatever.
- [34:57]
B
It is a star.
- [34:58]
A
That's a nice. Sounds like a nice town. I hear they've got a lovely resort community. There.
- [35:03]
B
But unfortunately, you've got to see all the potato eaters in bathing suits.
- [35:09]
A
It was built in 1910 as a place for wellness to rid yourself of consumption. Anyway, more potatoes.
- [35:17]
B
Underrated. Meredith. Take it.
- [35:19]
A
Take that. Whitney. Calling Meredith an addict is a dangerous and damaging label and kind of funny for the audience. Why would you do that? Especially since you dealt with it with your dad. She's like, well, yeah, so I apologized in Greece, and I think it's horrible that I said it and it slipped out of my mouth out of frustration because she was telling me that I was lying about the plane and it was ticking me off and it was. It was. It was line.
- [35:52]
B
Yeah, but you know, the, the I hate that I said that she's a pill popper and an alcoholic, but it's only because she called me a liar. And that's character assassinating because you called me a liar. So then I'm gonna call you a pill popper and an alcoholic because clear you. Clearly you don't remember the plane, even though you're saying that you remembered what happens and it just disagrees with what we said that happened. But my only lived in experience of when that happens is when benzos are mixed with alcohol. So do I think you have a problem? No, I just think you mix benzos with alcohol for breakfast in your cereal. How can you say you're sorry for calling her. You're sorry for calling her a pill popper and alcoholic, but you're saying. But you mix benzos and alcohol, clearly. So fucking. That's a housewives apology if I've ever heard one.
- [36:38]
A
I mean, if anything, that's actually a Meredith Marks thing, right? To be very specific with your language. Like, I'm not saying you're an addict. What I'm saying is I've seen you have banzos and alcohol together and what you do with it and this frequency of which you do that is none of my business. And I don't know anything about it, but I'm just saying that that's what I've seen and everyone else can make an implication on it. So Meredith is like, well, let me be very clear, Karen, Huger style. I don't take any pills. I don't have any pills. And the only pills I would take if I could take would be benzos and alcohol. And I already took them.
- [37:13]
B
Can I apologize for my words, please? Because I'm trying to apologize for my words, Nick. You're not. You're still. You're still insinuating the same shit you're Just wording it differently. And Meredith is like, well, the one I took in Bermuda. You guys gave me that sleeping pill of some sort, and you took one. You took one or two, and both of you did it. And Heather's like, what did we give her? Ambien? I mean, what? Basically, like handing a teacher an apple? I mean, come on. Meredith's like, well, I don't know, because I don't take pills. All I know is I took whatever you gained. So that is it from you, drug dealer. Okay.
- [37:49]
A
Lots of pills in our friendship. Lots and lots of pills. Are you trying to win this argument, Heather? Like, I don't know how this is. If your argument is, meredith is addicted to pills. She's out of control, and I gave them all to her. I don't think that's a strong.
- [38:05]
B
What are you accusing me of? I give you pills all the time. There. I own it. You can't get me. I mean, I. I've given you Zofran on a yacht when you were nauseous. I've given you. This is deflecting. We're deflecting. I'm curious, though. What other pills have I popped in front of you? Huh? And then we see Meredith accusing her in a confessional, saying, well, I mean, most of the women. I don't do drugs, and I'm really tired of it. And let me start counting the drinks and the multitude of pills in Britney's pill bottle and the pills I've seen Heather and Whitney taking. So stop with your smear campaign, or I will start telling the truth. So Heather's coming back from this and being like, well, I heard what you said in your diary room session, that I take pills. Oh, great, Meredith. Well, I've given you hundreds of pills, so prove that I've taken pills.
- [38:50]
A
I know, right? The strange defense. Well, did I say she popped pills just now? I didn't say that. Yeah, but you said in the confessionals, the pills I see Heather and Whitney pop, and Brahma goes, yeah, you did talk about the pills that Heather and Whitney take. You did say that. Can we get to my scene yet? Okay, it's been a while. Okay, can we get to me.
- [39:12]
B
I never said that you popped pills. I never said that. But you did. You. You did. And Heather's like, well, you said it in the confessional. When he's like, yeah, but that would have been a sleeping pill on the plane, like, prescribed. Okay, well, that's still a problem. Isn't that what you're accusing her of? Taking prescribed pills? What's the difference.
- [39:33]
A
I'm sorry, is Kathy Bates sitting on the sofa? Because it feels like we are in attendance of Matlock. Wow. They are really putting together a case. So Heather is like. So Heather is like, well, those are the pills that you've seen me pop. Are those. It's a sleeping pill on the plane. She's like, well, you gave it to me. Well, but we're getting away from the point. You timed crazy rich Asians to end exactly as we landed. How did you do that? That was amazing. And, well, furthermore, I'm ashamed that I said those words. I was frustrated that you were calling me a liar, so I combated back with that. Okay.
- [40:13]
B
I combated back Whitney. I love Whitney words.
- [40:16]
A
My pill is kicking in, so I really can't really listen much more.
- [40:20]
B
I combated back. I'm sorry for my word choice. Yeah, well, you're clearly not good with word choice. All right, well, let's wrap this up. Is there any accountability you want to take, Meredith, for what transpired on the plane ride? Okay, well, 100%. I vented to Lisa, and it was inappropriate to vent on a plane. And I did not mean to hurt Britney's feelings. And I'm sorry that she heard, man. I'm sorry it hurt her feelings. I'm sorry that she has supersonic hearing.
- [40:53]
A
It's nothing that I would have not said to her face. And it wasn't nice, just like everything else the women have said to me were not nice. All right, so nothing new that you haven't said before? That is absolutely correct, yes. Okay, well, there you have it. I'm not a victim. But, look, she won't even say I'm sorry to me. Okay. Okay, Brittany, anything else you want to say? Well, I want to thank Mary.
- [41:17]
B
Mary's, like, off. You just cut to Mary's face, and.
- [41:21]
A
She'S like, I never said I was the best mother in the world, but give him some credit for trying.
- [41:26]
B
Okay.
- [41:29]
A
I do want to thank you for rallying with me and just staying with us in that customs line. And you didn't have to do that. I know you weren't accustomed to that. See, that was a joke. I thank you. Kindness.
- [41:40]
B
Yeah, you really went into pastor mode, Mary. You even tried to take her purse, hit her over the head with it, and told her to buy you more things. And I would.
- [41:51]
A
I would drink milk from you because you were in pastor mode. That's pasteurized. Okay? She's had too much. Too much time on this sofa. We need to put her to bed.
- [42:00]
B
That's when you mow a farm. No, Brittany. So Andy's like, I want to say one thing. I know I can't help myself, but I know we're almost done, but I think you got on the plane in a really bad place mentally. But you were doing that to me. If you were doing that to me, the air marshal would have been waiting when we landed. But I just saw the shape that Brittany was in. So roll your eyes, Meredith, or whatever you want, but the shape she was in was worse than the shape she'd left the stage in. That is all. And they're like, okay. Everybody just looks at her like, okay. And then she just gives a self satisfied, like, nailed it.
- [42:42]
A
Nailed it. Was that Angie's way of saying, I also don't like this, but I'll stand up for her? I wasn't. I wasn't sure really what Angie was getting out there was. And she was basically also saying that, like, Meredith, if you had done that with me, there would have been a fight. You would have.
- [42:54]
B
Because Meredith is saying, like, if I really had acted like that, there would have been an air marshal. And she said, if you had acted like that with me, I would have called the air marshal, and I would have had your ass thrown in the clink.
- [43:07]
A
All right, well, we're back. Whether the Salt Lake women were facing a roller coaster relationship with an Osman, a failed business, empty net syndrome, which of course means that you're sad that you don't see Dinah man off on your TV anymore, or being told that their daughter by their daughter that they are simply too Greek. Drama brewing at home often caused these housewives to go from gentle to prickly, much like petting a cactus. And if you thought I was teeing up for a video package. No video package. Just a very long preamble for no reason. Reason.
- [43:40]
B
So, Whitney, did you decide to. Why did you. Did you decide to walk away from your company, or did it run away from you? Horrified. Are you still trying to win back ownership or what's happening?
- [43:52]
A
Let's.
- [43:52]
B
Let's get some Whitney economics going. She's like, well, I fully separated over my company because it was finalized over, like, summer, and unfortunately, I had to re. Buy back my inventory. So I officially own Wild Rose Beauty by myself with lots of expired face cream. Okay, so they took your company, then you paid money to get the money, the face cream back. That does expire. So now you're gonna have to charge, like, double the prices for something that nobody was buying in the first place. What is wrong with Whitney what kind of thought process is this? Cut the cord, darling. Cut the cord.
- [44:35]
A
It's a very elaborate question to ask, or I should say, it's a simple question to ask with a very elaborate, multifaceted answer. Well, how are you and Justin now? Because there's about one person in the audience who cares. Well, Justin and I are continuing to work on communication, and it's just been hard. Do you resent him? No, I don't resent him, but just been hard. I don't know. Maybe it's something you might see next season. Who knows? I would just say that right now. The good thing is this brought Justin and I to. We can communicate because it's, like, raw. We're almost communicating too raw right now. We're like, hey, look at that beef. And he's like, look at that chicken. And we're both, like, so raw. We're like, wow, that's a lot to talk about. You know, we need to, like, cook.
- [45:24]
B
Our communication so it's not raw, because raw things can make you sick. And I don't like to be sick. But sometimes if you communicate and then you say, I'm mad at you, then the other person is allowed to say, but I'm mad at you, too. And that's what happened. So now I'm in trouble with Justin because he's more mad at me than I'm mad at him. So it turns into this thing where she's like, yeah, I opened the doors of communication, but then once I did that, I found out that I'm kind of an asshole, too. And so Andy's like, oh, and Mary's falling asleep. And Andy's like, mary, are you asleep? She's like, I just. No, no. I've just my eyes closed. My eyes are.
- [46:07]
A
My eyes are closed. Just pretending I'm the audience right now. That's it.
- [46:11]
B
How long are we gonna let Whitney talk here? Could you just warn. You know, they put all those trauma things up at the end of the episode. Like, if anyone. If you or anyone you know have ever had thoughts of taking your own life, please call this number. They need to put that up for Whitney. Like, if you or anyone you know is going to drive off the road listening to Whitney tell a story.
- [46:32]
A
If you or anyone you know is thinking about using three different metaphors in one sentence, Whitney's like, well, it's just a raw. And we sweep it under the rug, but it's like pulling off a band aid, and you have to open the door to it because the cookie crumbles. We put raw meat under our rug.
- [46:49]
B
So you actually used or. That's pretty funny.
- [46:52]
A
She does a lot. Really quickly. Andy's like, he's like, okay, well, Rick from Not Steves says, Whitney, you said in the past that you faced issues with Justin where you thought your marriage was over. Do you feel like you'll be able to bounce back from this? Well, I do throw myself on him and I bounce off of him a lot, so that's pretty fun. But we've bounced back from harder. There was the time I threw myself. I fell on the floor and I bounced and that the floor is pretty hard, so I bounce on that. I'm pretty, I'm pretty bouncy, so yeah, I think I'll bounce back. I don't know.
- [47:28]
B
Well, I'm bored, so I'm curious. Meredith, what was your reaction to Seth on Next Gen nyc? Talking about his desire to be pansexual?
- [47:40]
A
Wow. I mean, look, I think it was just meant to be light hearted and something that was dwelled on for way too long and the audience was getting really annoyed because they don't really care about Seth on that show. But if that's what he wants, then just please let me know.
- [47:58]
B
Heather, you seemed excited to become an empty nester. God, Andy, it is the best thing that ever happened to me. Oh God. Not having my kids around. Geez. Every day I wake up, I look around, I say, kids, they're not there. Thank the Lord, Andy. Thank the Lord. God, I hate those kids. They call me. I changed my phone number. Andy changed my phone number. I took the address out of their phones and erased it from Google Maps. Andy hate those kids.
- [48:26]
A
Yeah. You know, and now I can move into a house that has smaller hallways that don't have to accommodate so many balls and chains being dragged through.
- [48:36]
B
I've even been dating Andy.
- [48:39]
A
So you want to tell us about that?
- [48:42]
B
No.
- [48:43]
A
Okay, well, Ocean Spray. Someone actually named Ocean called in, said, Andy, is Electra interested in pursuing her Greek citizenship yet? Well, she's not interested yet in pursuing her citizenship, but she is interested in going this summer and made me really happy because she's gonna be in the Olympics. The actual for Team usa. Yeah, but Electra is working on being an Olympian, which I, I, God, I hope that happens so badly. Only because NBC will be forced to do a sappy segment on her at some point where it's like she was from Salt Lake City and her mother was a housewife and we'll have NGK at the Olympics and it'll just be so Perfect.
- [49:24]
B
Yeah. I heard, actually, that Brittany just showed up on American Idol. Her kid, I guess, was auditioning, and Britney came in and was like, hi, I'm Brittany Bateman, and this is my daughter. And they were just looking at her like, who. Who the are you? And she went in there, like, trying to push her weight around like, it's me, star Brittany Bateman.
- [49:43]
A
Hi, Lionel Richie. So. But she brought Olivia to BravoCon, which I didn't realize. And Andy's asking what Olivia thought. She's. Oh, well, she wasn't happy. I mean, well, it was an interesting dance that we played off, you know. Ah. You know. You know, she's. She needs to feel that she's my number one. And, you know, for the first time in six years, you guys, I have both my girls home for Christmas. This Christmas is happening. They're coming over Christmas. You know, the girls are like, we were never invited to Christmas. We don't know what you're talking about, Mother. Yeah, exactly.
- [50:17]
B
We weren't at your house for Christmas because you changed the code on your door and we couldn't get in, Mother. She's like, they're the most extraordinary people I know. And I can only just take a teeny bit of credit for that, literally. And they're the reason I get up every day in the morning because I want to know what Jared thinks of my children. And he's like, wow, so happy for you. That's great. Why is Britney still on the stage? Can anybody. Can anybody answer that?
- [50:48]
A
Okay, Brittany, that's it. We got it. You like your daughters?
- [50:51]
B
All right. Well baked from Alaska. God, how does ice cream not melt? Says Lisa. It seems like John wants to embarrass you on camera. They did. The same way that Todd embarrasses Bronwyn. What's really going on in your marriage? How did John embarrass Lisa? What the fuck kind of question is that? What did John do?
- [51:09]
A
I feel like John was just expressing himself. Like, cut to John hearing this question be like, that's so true. That's so true, Andy.
- [51:18]
B
I think that John is. John was just kind of laughing at kind of what a narcissist. Not listener. Lisa is. I mean, we've seen scenes of John being like, can we talk about. And Lisa doesn't even say huh? Or anything. She just sits there and swipes the phone and bosses him around and doesn't hear a thing she's saying or he's saying. And I think that for the first time, Lisa saw how John is reacting to her ignoring him. On tv, it's the first time she's been exposed to it, and so she got hurt. But, yeah, I don't remember John ever doing anything mean to Lisa. Do you?
- [51:48]
A
Yeah, no, I. I got the sense that he was. Well, I mean, I agree, 100. I don't think that he was trying to embarrass her, but they were having a frank conversation and he was kind of like smiling and cracking jokes and he was like, well, you don't listen. Whatever. Whatever he was saying, like, she's crying and he's like, smiling and so maybe that's what. How it was.
- [52:06]
B
Okay, Yeah, I didn't remember that, but.
- [52:08]
A
I think he was just finally like, yeah, it's time for me to say this on camera. So he's like, that was a really long hearted conversation for both of us. And there are times when I felt completely undervalued. And when I watched it back, I, like, cried for two days. John's like, And I just laughed. I laughed for two days. Man. So much laughter in the household that day.
- [52:29]
B
I was like, I don't even want to be near you. I don't even want you to talk into me. Could you get my coffee? Thank you. You know, just because I feel hurt. You know what? I need you to pack that suitcase. But you know what? Because, like, how does everything get done if I don't listen? Like, who does everything in this house? John, Are you going to microwave the popcorn or am I going to.
- [52:46]
A
To do that? Okay. Thank you.
- [52:48]
B
You know, how does Henry get everything in school done? He needs. Rosalie, did you finish Henry's homework? Okay, Put it in his backpack. You know what I mean? Like, how does Jack get a care package? How does Jack get a care package, John? You sent that care package, right? So, you know, how do you have all your sheets cleaned and your suits done, John? You don't. What do you mean? You don't own a suit, John. You get my point, Auntie A very hard. I'm very hurt.
- [53:15]
A
Yes, that's correct. There is a lot of listening in that household as people listening to Lisa saying, do this for me. So Andy's like, well, all the viewers think you have an issue taking accountability. She goes, no. Which is productive. Smoking, accountable, rumors.
- [53:33]
B
That's not happening. No, I don't. No, I don't. But what are we talking about?
- [53:38]
A
What? And it seemed like one of the things that he was really trying to express to you is that he feels like you don't take in what he's saying or you don't Hear him Who? What conversation was this? I don't seem to recall we had a conversation. Todd.
- [53:52]
B
You mean Todd. I don't talk to Todd. John. John who? Could you be more John Deere? There are a lot of Johns. We're in Utah.
- [54:00]
A
Why would I talk to a tractor? John Deere? I don't get it. Ask more questions that make sense.
- [54:07]
B
Thank you. Well, you know what? He did say some things, but, you know, I've made very concerted efforts, okay? Because listen, we've been together for a very long time, and there's times that I can't finish his sentence, you know, I can finish his sentence or finish his thoughts, you know, and he doesn't even have time to finish his sentence, you know, because I finished it for him. And that's what love is, Andy. He doesn't finish his sentence because you don't let him.
- [54:31]
A
He doesn't finish his sentences because you also start his sentences. I can. I love finishing the sentences for him that I start for him, too. And do the middle part as well. Heather's like, I mean, doesn't that happen like, 90% of the time that you finish his sentences? And he's like, no, because, like, we're business partners and we're parents together and we're best friends and we're sentence sayers together and we're in love. And I think that, like, bottom line is he knows damn well that I, like, work. I really work hard on listening to him. And, like, I. I think for me, I just felt like. It just felt like really jabby, really jabby of him to say that. Like, Jabby the Hut. Jabby the Pizza Hut. I'd love to go, there are Spaceballs. And he knows I work really hard to listen to him. It's so hard. I'm like, working really, really, really hard to listen to him. See, that already is kind of a bad sign. It's like when he talks, I'm working really hard so I can hear his words. I'm like, you. It shouldn't be a hard process to sit and just listen to what someone else says, you know?
- [55:29]
B
But I told him I would die before I ate Arby's. And also, hey, wait a minute. And also, sorry. And also, I would die before I made you look bad by feeding you Arby's. But you made me look horrible on things that, you know, hurt me. Can someone open a window? I gotta let this out. Okay, I'm done.
- [55:54]
A
Wait, he hurt you in that scene? You mean the scene where you were crying and visibly devastated after he confronted you, he broke my heart. Well, I mean, it just felt real. I. I think you're beating yourself up. It was real. No, no, no, wait, Andy, Andy. I'm not beating myself up. I'm not. I'm just saying it just. It was, like, embarrassing and. It wasn't embarrassing, Lisa. It was hilarious. It was a very funny scene for us.
- [56:24]
B
We love John. We love John. And all of us sided with John. Lisa, why aren't we best friends?
- [56:32]
A
Mary's like, but if your husband tells you you're not a good listener, then that means you're not a good listener. Mary, that's not true. No, no, no, no. I mean, as everyone knows that we can be strong women on the stage, but ultimately what the men say is what matters most. Am I right, everyone? Come on.
- [56:46]
B
Yeah, come on. She's like, your husband knows you better than anyone. No, Mary, no. Mary, it's not that. I'm not saying that. Yeah, but I know that's why I can't even try to help you. Cause you always shut it off. Yeah, it's not really helpful when you're like, my husband hurt my feelings when he said this to me. And you're all like, yeah, we're on his side.
- [57:03]
A
It would have been more productive if Mary said, we don't want to see you embarrassed by your husband. But we all, as a group, do feel like you have trouble listening. Like, not say, well, he said you don't listen. So he's right.
- [57:14]
B
He's your husband. Yeah, he's a man. So he's right. She's like, but I don't need help. That's not the point. And Heather's like, but you're sobbing and your friend is helping you. No, I don't need help. I'm telling you my feelings. I don't need help. I'm trying to express my feelings. I don't need help with my. My feelings. And Mary's like, then what are we even talking about? She's literally just talking about her feelings. You all don't have to have opinions on John being right, for crying out loud.
- [57:37]
A
No, we do. We do. We're just trying to be here for you, Lisa, just to embarrass you a little bit more.
- [57:44]
B
We're just trying to be here for you, Lisa, by telling you that we are all siding with John.
- [57:51]
A
So Angie basically is like, look, this is your real life and this was real. And we're on a reality show and these are hard hitting things. Like, she's basically saying, don't Be embarrassed by this. It's actually was a really good scene because it was real and everyone connected to it, and it was a compelling moment for you. You had, like, a good. It was actually a good scene for you. No, no, I'm done. So I don't want to be compelling. I don't like it. But it is real, and it makes everyone feel validated because we have all those moments, although we tend to listen in those moments. Not like you. It's like, well, it's falling on deaf ears. It's falling on deaf ears. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. So they're like, okay, well, thanks for being vulnerable.
- [58:30]
B
Well, yeah. So then Andy's like, okay, well, let's talk about Bronwyn. Let's get to the Bronwyn part. We've waited three hours for Bronwyn to say she's leaving Todd. Don't know if you saw in the commercials that we've been showing for months, but it's going to be a huge surprise. So you want to talk about that, Bronwyn? What do you got to say? So I'm sorry to hear about your dad's passing thing. How are you and your family? And she talks about that, which is sad. And she. He asked how the mom is. Muzzy.
- [58:56]
A
Well, and she just want to say. I just want to say also that as he cues up the Muzzies segment, he. And he goes, and Brahman's issues with Todd, those were just the cherry on top. And Brahman goes, oh, some rough puns there for me. You had to go there with a cherry. You had to do that.
- [59:18]
B
So she's talking about her mom dealing with her dad's Alzheimer's and stuff, and how she was kind of in denial and that they had to sit her down and say, no, this is happening, and you need to accept it. And Andy's congratulations. You know, not congratulating her, but giving her credit for sharing a lot of personal stuff this season. I want to start with Muzzy. What is up with those eyebrows?
- [59:41]
A
Well, you know, she's still my mother, and. And I try to help her, but then my gaze did tell me, let her keep her eyebrows. This is a show primarily for the gays, and it's gonna play well to the audience. So I did. And now everyone answer for it.
- [59:55]
B
Well, the. You know, your mother is pretty tough on you, and in turn, the audience was pretty tough on her. So what do you feel, Chuck? Yeah, they were really mean to her. Andy, you know the first episode that she was on like a, you know, smaller conversation, and she came to me really upset, like, this is how I speak to you. I mean, do you feel this way? Do I come across stern? You know? Andy. Like she knows she's stern, but I don't think she realized how stern. And I'm, you know, putting her on TV really showed her that. So thank you, tv. And I think that she took the feedback as like a good thing that we could talk about. But by the time the second conversation came out, I mean, really hard things were being said about her, Andy. Really hard things. I mean, memes were being made, Andy. Eyebrow memes and jokes at her expense were being made. And she's still my mom, Andy. And I think she felt like the whole world was turning on her. And I think she blames me a little bit for that. That.
- [60:40]
A
And I'm not saying I did it to get, finally get revenge for all those years of misery I went through with her. And I'm not saying that it was nice to have people on my side against my mother for once, but she's still my mom and I feel really bad about that, you know. And Andy goes, oh, God, I'm so sorry. That is so rough. Andy saying this as if he has not seen this situation play out with like dozens of mother daughter combos on this show for 20 years.
- [61:09]
B
Yeah.
- [61:09]
A
Oh, really? Did this show fracture an important relationship in your life that is so hard to hear. Yeah.
- [61:16]
B
Mary says, well, she was really nice and acceptive in the last episodes. And Braun was like, well, that's the thing. I mean, people just aren't one dimensional. You know, there's just something about our personalities that's really tricky. And we, you know, we push and we pull. You know, we push and pull with each other at the. It's push and pull with each other, you know, but she pushes. I want to push her down the stairs, but I pull her back up because she's my mother, Andy. And that's what we do. Hello there. This is a two part recap. Okay, this is the end of part one. So thank you so much for listening to this. Just come back a little later for part two.
- [61:52]
A
Watch what Crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors. Ain't no thing like Alison King. It's always a party on Alison Block clock.
- [62:00]
B
Our way is the Amber way.
- [62:02]
A
It's the Foster and the Furious. It's Amanda Foster. It's always automatic with Ashley Otto. Put your hands together for Carly Clapp.
- [62:10]
B
Get on the right foot With Chrissy Offutt. She's not just a Sheila, She's a Daniella Etchells. We never miss her call. It's Diane Call Sunday in the park with Dylan Clark. Big yay. It's Emily Gaultier.
- [62:23]
A
Aaron McNicholas. She don't miss no Trickolas Hava Nagila Weber. You'll never hide from Heidi Eleanor Jones. I go, you go we all go for Hugo Jamie, she has no less.
- [62:34]
B
Namey Sip some scotch with Jessica Trotch.
- [62:37]
A
She's our favorite streamer. Caroline Peacock.
- [62:40]
B
Kristen the Piston Anderson. Get a B in your bonnet with Lacey B. Que sera sera Whatever will be will Lauren Sills be she gets an A from us It's Lindsey D. Let's give a Kisserino to Lisalino. Fresh as a daisy. It's Maisie McHenry.
- [62:56]
A
Aren't you glad? It's Marianne Ahrens.
- [62:59]
B
Megan Berg. You can't have a burger without the Berg.
- [63:02]
A
This is Living with Michelle Vivian.
- [63:05]
B
I love Aya Olivia Williamson.
- [63:07]
A
She sure is swell. It's Raquel.
- [63:10]
B
Yes, we can. It's Savannah.
- [63:12]
A
Cast a spell with Shannon Spellman. Let's share with Sharon Eldredge.
- [63:16]
B
Darling Skippy. It's Tippy. And our super premium sponsors make way for A.J.
- [63:22]
A
Lopez.
- [63:23]
B
Happy are we Is Allison with an I? She's VVIP It's Amanda V. Can't lose when you're with Amy Baldwin.
- [63:30]
A
Somebody get us 10cc's of Betsy MD.
- [63:33]
B
We'Re taking the gold with Brenda Silva.
- [63:36]
A
Let's get real with Caitlin o'. Neal.
- [63:38]
B
Put us on a stretcher. It's Charlotte Fletcher. Don't get salty with Chris. Christine Pepper can't have a meal without the Emily sides.
- [63:46]
A
Who, what, why, where? And Gwen Pentland.
- [63:49]
B
Let's go into the woods with Guy Tubbs.
- [63:52]
A
Nobody holds a candle to Jamie Kendall. We got our wish. It's Jen Plish. My favorite Murdo. Karen McMurdo.
- [63:58]
B
She's a total knockout. It's Katie Manock.
- [64:01]
A
Let's get Savage With Laura Wildman in the study with a candlestick. It's Leslie Peacock. We're ride or die for Le Lisa Rider Baron. She's a whiz. It's Liz Sarthi. Always killing it. It's Lola Al Kalani.
- [64:14]
B
The incredible edible Matthews sisters. She eases our woes. It's Melissa St. Rose. There's a chance of meatballs. It's Rebecca Cloud.
- [64:22]
A
Maximum love for Sandy Maximoska. She's the queen bee. It's Sarah Lemke.
- [64:27]
B
We cannot tell a lie.
- [64:29]
A
It's Sarah tell of son Shannon out of a cannon. Anthony, please don't. Stop it. So, and Pop, let's take off with Tamla playing. You'll always get the full story with Tori Parsons.
- [64:40]
B
She ain't no shrinking violet.
- [64:42]
A
Coutar.
- [64:43]
B
We love you guys.