#3189 RHOSLC S619 Reunion 3 Part 2: Todds and Ends

Summary

Watch What Crappens Podcast — Episode #3189

RHOSLC S6 Reunion Part 3, Part 2: “Todds and Ends”

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: January 28, 2026

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Episode Overview

Ben and Ronnie offer their signature mix of praise, mockery, and incisive commentary as they recap the third (and final) part of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City Season 6 reunion. This episode dives deep into the marriage drama between Bronwyn and Todd, unresolved friendships, the recurring Mormonism trauma theme, and the housewives’ squabbles about production, accountability, and cherry-eating symbolism. The hosts bring out the absurdity, heartache, and hilarity of the reunion, with characteristically sharp impressions and brutal honesty about Bravo’s “finest.”

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Mormonism, Trauma & Self-Promotion

• Heather’s Ongoing Mormonism Narrative
  The episode kicks off with a tongue-in-cheek reference to Mormon trauma, as Heather can’t resist reframing all housewife woes through the lens of former Mormon life.
• Self-Plugs Amid Drama
  Ben and Ronnie roast Heather for creatively plugging her memoir and products, even during Bronwyn’s emotional moments.

  “I love Heather getting in plugs in the middle of Bronwyn’s sobbing.” — Ronnie (01:05)

2. Bronwyn and Todd: Marriage Unraveling

• Revelation of Separation
  Bronwyn finally reveals her separation from Todd, noting, “It was my choice” (04:39), expressing frustration at feeling unsupported and isolated.
• The Todd “Hero Edit”
  Ben and Ronnie ridicule the reunion’s attempt to redeem Todd as a caring husband, reminding listeners of his complicated, sometimes shady behavior.
• Show vs. Privacy
  The hosts dissect how the show’s spotlight exacerbated marital issues—Todd didn’t want family drama on TV, Bronwyn brought it anyway.

  “She’s bringing all their issues to light…he doesn’t want that shit on the show.” — Ben (07:47)

• Who Protected Whom?
  The discussion highlights the double standards: Bronwyn covered for Todd during his alleged affair, but he refused to “show up” for her storyline.
• Todd’s Reddit Awakening
  A memorable moment describes Todd binge-watching the show (after their split), horrified by his portrayal, then “mainlining Reddit” to find out what viewers really think (14:00).

  “Don’t do that when you’re feeling low. Reddit is a dangerous place to go.” — Heather (14:39)

• Sympathy (or Lack Thereof) for Todd
  Ben and Ronnie debate whether Todd deserves sympathy for supporting Bronwyn’s parents through illness and financial woes, ultimately concluding that being a decent in-law “doesn’t excuse everything else.”

3. Whitney’s Meltdown and the Domino Effect

• Whitney’s Emotional Walk-Off
  During Bronwyn’s marriage segment, Whitney gets overwhelmed and leaves the stage, paralleling her own marital trouble.

  “Whitney, the only person to walk off during someone else’s segment.” — Ronnie (17:55)

• Hosts Mock the * Housewives Sincerity*
  Ronnie narrates, “Can I have a minute? I gotta get in the mirror,” lampooning the performative breakdowns.

4. Petty Fights and Cherry Symbolism

• The Cherry Incident
  The hosts riff on the peculiar RHOSLC moment where “taking the cherry” becomes a metaphor laden with Mormon significance and marital discord.

  “Taking the cherry was a huge thing. That’s a massive sign in Mormonism. You have five seconds before this whole place explodes!” — Heather (19:07)

• Fart Jokes and Missed Signals
  Ben and Ronnie never miss the chance to roast the cast’s ongoing toilet humor and unwitting double-entendres.

5. Interpersonal Dynamics: Accountability, Betrayals & Production Drama

• Meredith & Heather: Broken Friendship
  The hosts break down Meredith and Heather’s strained relationship post-reunion.

  “We’re not friends, so...we’ll see how that plays out next season.” — Heather (22:10)

• Production Gets Dragged In
  The cast accuses each other and the show’s producers of manipulating events or hiding the “real” story, sparking debates about what’s genuine.

  “Production is obviously steering things and trying to cut things… making her look crazy for things that might have looked a little more legitimate had she been able to vocalize them on the show." — Ben (28:30)

• Gaslighting, Deflections, and Hypocrisy
  The hosts mock how Housewife apologies turn into gaslighting festivals, with everyone denying they said the obvious and blaming editing or production.

6. Substance Use Accusations — The Pill Popper Segment

• Reunion Revisiting Substance Allegations
  Andy confronts Whitney about past insinuations regarding Meredith’s alleged substance abuse—everyone says they never made direct accusations despite obvious on-camera hints.

  “Just admit what you were doing… You were completely insinuating that.” — Ronnie (31:24)

• Ludicrous Denials and Circle-Talk
  The hosts satirize how quickly the cast switches from concern to denial: “We’re just leading the audience there, and they can just go the rest of the way...”

7. Final Reconciliations, Non-Apologies & End-Of-Season Reflections

• Superficial Resolutions
  As the reunion winds down, Housewife relationships get “resolved” with noncommittal apologies and vague wishes to move forward.
• Roundtable: “What Did You Learn?”
  The hosts roast the Housewives’ closing attempts at self-reflection.

  “You guys are not supposed to be reading off Instagram, like, pop psychology, like, thirst quotes. Like, what are you reading?” — Heather (47:21)

• Baklava Toasts and Greek Food Confusion
  The finale features a failed attempt at celebratory snacking—olives mistaken for chocolate-covered cherries—and baklava that inspires food envy.

  “She thought olives were chocolate-covered cherries!” — Ronnie (48:25)

8. Looking Ahead

• Bravo Pivot: Summer House
  Ben and Ronnie tease next week’s recap of the Summer House premiere as RHOSLC moves to hiatus.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Heather on Self-Producing:
  “I love her actively producing Andy.” — Ben (04:11)
• Ronnie on Todd’s Image Rehabilitation:
  “This whole ‘Todd is a hero’ thing is really getting old.” (03:34)
• Ben on Bronwyn’s Realization:
  “I can't live like this anymore, Andy.” (05:48)
• Ronnie on Reddit:
  “He went and mainlined Reddit. Which is, ooh, don't do that when you're feeling low.” (14:39)
• On Housewife Sincerity:
  “Whitney, the only person to walk off during someone else’s segment.” — Ronnie (17:55)
• On Cherry Symbolism:
  “Taking the cherry was a huge thing. That’s a massive sign in Mormonism. You have five seconds before this whole place explodes.” — Heather (19:07)
• On Final Reflections:
  “You guys are not supposed to be reading off Instagram, like, pop psychology, like, thirst quotes.” — Heather (47:21)
• On Baklava:
  “I can give it to all these women. … I really can … I just want to say how much I truly love and cherish our friendships, even if you are gaslighting me.” — Heather (48:47)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:08 — Kicking off Mormon trauma and self-plugs
• 03:20 — Todd’s image restoration and Bronwyn’s impatience
• 04:39 — Bronwyn reveals separation from Todd (“It was my choice”)
• 07:47 — Dissecting the marriage and show dynamic
• 10:37 — Sympathy for Todd debate
• 14:00 — Todd binge-watches the show, descends into Reddit
• 17:55 — Whitney’s emotional walk-off during Bronwyn’s segment
• 19:07 — “Cherry” incident/literal and figurative symbolism
• 22:10 — Meredith & Heather friendship face-off
• 28:30 — Production manipulation & behind-the-scenes firings
• 31:08 — Substance use accusations, hypocritical denials
• 47:21 — Housewives’ pop-psychology final reflections
• 48:25 — Greek food confusion: “Those are olives!”
• 51:16 — Season wrap-up and preview for Summer House

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Summary

This episode of Watch What Crappens delivers the funniest and sharpest RHOSLC reunion recap yet. Ben and Ronnie expertly navigate the swirl of schadenfreude, pain, and performative self-improvement that define Salt Lake City’s finest. From Bronwyn’s marriage implosion and Todd’s failed hero edit to misplaced cherry metaphors and obsession with production accountability, the hosts pull no punches, making housewife melodrama relatable and hilarious. If you want savage, witty Bravo commentary with just the right amount of affection, this one’s a must-listen.

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Transcript

[Heather]

Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? When there's so much that happens? Hi, everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that. Let's get right back into the episode. Wait a second. Ex Mormon in a cape. Here is the push and pull because of your lifestyle, because you're not Mormon. Would you say that this goes into your experience in surviving Mormonism?

[Brahman]

Do you think your mother is upset with you because you're a bad Mormon? Available now on Kindle or audible.

[Heather]

Speak It Sister.

[Brahman]

So I love Heather getting in plugs in the middle of Bronwyn's sobbing.

[Heather]

Yes. Basically like drawing it all to Mormonism, which is not. Not necessarily wrong, but it's just hilarious that she's like, this seems like a good opportunity to reassert the fact that Mormonism ruins everything.

[Brahman]

And I'm selling it all over the place.

[Heather]

But basically Brahman's like, yeah, it did kind of feel like she was, you know, she basically says, I love my mother. We have a good relationship now. But on tv, it felt like she was kind of signaling to the audience, the fellow Mormons in the audience, like, this wasn't my fault. I was doing all the right things. She's the one who fucked up, right?

[Brahman]

Yeah, she's, you know, she's saying, yeah, those are our values. And you went against our values. And Heather's like, well, is it allegiance to principles of the church or allegiance to her daughter?

[Heather]

Heather?

[Brahman]

Just let her have her own segment. Can you let anybody just have their own segment? It's not about you, bro. So she's like, but I mean, even, you know, like, about me. It was about pointing out to the whole world that she never agreed with this and she. She'd never done that before. And Heather's like, yep, see it all the time. Chapters 3, 9, 12. I mean, basically all the odd numbers.

[Heather]

Heather pulls off some sunglasses like David Caruso. Looks like we've got a case of Mormon trauma. Who are you? Mormon. Mormon.

[Brahman]

Sign this release, please. So, and he's like, well, you. And you said Todd Step helped support your parents financially. And what did that entail exactly? What do you think it entailed? Paying for them. Like, I think hookers and blow, Andy. That's what they entail.

[Heather]

Well, they had to increase their Fig Newton budget. I mean, of course, like, but this is just an opportunity to Paint Todd as a sympathetic figure for a moment. So he. And he is. Sounds like he was doing all the right things. You know, he paid for hospitals, he helped move in Muzzy, the dad, memory care, all that stuff. It was. It was very lovely. And he stepped up and did all sorts of things.

[Brahman]

And in.

[Heather]

In Greece, we all saw that he was helping Muzzy with a move and all that stuff. And. And Andy is like, well, maybe that was a side of Todd that none of us had really seen before. Maybe Todd is actually kind of a good guy. Right? And Brahman's like, this has been nice. But before you try to paint Todd as a hero, can we just. We just get to the question? Like, I have a big announcement to make, and we're taking a long time to get to it. I'm getting kind of impatient. Can you just ask a different question about Todd? Thanks so much. Funny.

[Brahman]

This was funny because he was painting him to be too nice, and so she stopped him and was like, do you have any more questions about Todd? Can we move on to those? That would be great. This told Todd is a hero thing is really getting old, so that would be good. I have long hair now, so we can move on. Thank you. Mm.

[Heather]

Okay.

[Brahman]

I guess I'll move on to the next Todd section. Do I do have more questions. She goes, well, do you want to start with where we are now, or do you want me to start with where we were on the show and work our way forward? Because I can do this however you want. I've been waiting 18 hours to get this out during shooting, so it would be great if I could just get my victim storyline out right now. Thank you. We're still on a Muzzy wave. Okay.

[Heather]

I love her actively producing Andy. Okay, well, I want you to tell me where. What do you want to tell me? And she. Oh, well, I don't really know what to say. Well, that's funny that you don't see that, because you just told me what? You just kind of. You sort of steered the ship over here, and now you're acting like you're on a train.

[Brahman]

Make up your mind. But you're teeing yourself off, and then you're like, no, I can't do it. Oh, for Christ's sake.

[Heather]

Sorry. I thought you'd help me transition out of producer mode into first chair mode here a little bit. Okay, so Todd and I are separated. Oh, sorry. His choice. Did you not accept his Worther's original. No, no, it was. It was my choice. Oh, well, what would be the thing that made you say enough is enough. I mean, have you seen Todd? I mean, how many fupas can you really take? You know, one night I thought, how.

[Brahman]

Many nights am I going to try and make out with Walter Matthau? Andy? You know, I mean.

[Heather]

It'S. It's a lot to take on. And. Yeah, so this year was hard for me, and I watched myself in some of those conversations and saying things that I don't think I meant. That gets a double. And when I was like, if you wanted to be open, of course I tried, but I. I didn't. I don't know if I was really up for that. And I was like, it's something that I want to be up for, but I don't know if it was up for that. And I don't know. I talked to Whitney, and it was just a good conversation. I thought to myself, what? Wow, am I really in the place where I'm confiding things to Whitney, of all people? I mean, look at her over there. She's. She's staring at the lights up above our stage.

[Brahman]

She's.

[Heather]

She's totally lost. And this is my confidant. I can't live like this anymore, Andy.

[Brahman]

How come I sing that?

[Heather]

See? See? And I was just like. He was like, you shouldn't be talking to anybody about this, especially not that ding dong over there. I thought, he's right. Something's got to change.

[Brahman]

So Heather's just like, ugh. Do you think this was to do with Mormonism? Well, you know, I just, you know, things are hard for me, and we're at a place where it's not just me forgiving him or understanding him or trying to move forward. I mean, he's now saying that he doesn't want to talk about it, and I can't talk to my friends, and I can't share. I can't share with the public. You know, like, I started to feel isolated around the choices that he was making. I mean, I can't go talk about what a slime ball thought is on national tv and then what am I even doing in this marriage, Andy?

[Heather]

Did he want him. Did he want you to quit the show and join the Mormon Tabernacle Choir? He wants. You wanted that for you, right?

[Brahman]

He never said that. But I feel like if I kept doing the show, then the spotlight on the cracks in our marriage was just going to continue to be magnifying. And if I can't talk to him, if I can't talk about that to him or to anybody else, I was like, well, I just have to deal with it. And when we're not moving forward anymore, we weren't a team anymore. Except for the fact that he took care of my parents while they were both sick and did this all while I was out of town. And, you know, it was just like pr. I was just PR for him. I was just PR for him. And it no longer felt respectable. Got one?

[Heather]

No, no, not. No, not Puerto Rico. But that's. But in some ways, maybe, yes, I was sort of like a vacation destination and just didn't feel. It didn't feel respectful. And just really hard to separate that interaction with the Todd this year from the Todd I've known for a decade. And I think that while we were filming, I. I don't know, it's like. Is like a dance. And I've danced maybe too many times, and Dance with the stars, call me, I'm available. And how I. How I show up to rally around the choices that Todd makes on behalf of Todd is, you know, not behalf of myself. I don't know. It's just. She's just very delicately trying to be like, he's not supporting me on this show, and I don't like it.

[Brahman]

Well, yeah, she's. I think, yeah, she's pretty clearly saying, like, I'm on this show. I'm bringing all of our issues to light on the show. And he doesn't want to talk about that shit on the show. And he was getting pissed off because I'm constantly throwing him under the bus on the show. Like, and from what we saw with Todd, you know, like, I'm. I'm no fan of Bronwyn, but listen, I would leave if I was in that marriage, and if the marriage is really like that all the time, I mean, there's, you know, two schools of thought, right? Like, is it always like that? Is Todd just, like, completely dismissive, or is Todd like that because he's asked not to talk about this shit on camera? And the second the cameras are going, she's like, so, Todd, let's talk about the. The pictures on your phone or whatever. So is it like that he feels like he's getting thrown under the bus? Whatever it is, he does not want to talk about it on camera. And if she's going to do this show, then she's going to have to talk about it. And some of them don't. Some of them just leave their relationship off the show. But she's like, no, I'm bringing this on the show. He doesn't Want to talk about it? So.

[Heather]

Well, she also said that like, you know, I showed up for him when he had issues in his life and I was kind of like PR for him and he doesn't do the same for me. Meaning that like when he cheated or this or that whatever this situation was, she still went around saying Todd's a great guy and went to work dinners or whatever it was and said everything is fine and didn't, you know, didn't protect. And she protected him. But now when like she's doing her thing, he's like, I don't want to be part of that. And she's like, no, you got, like, you got to. You got to show up for me now. But. But yeah, this was. We all knew this is just not going to work out because she's thriving.

[Brahman]

From the beginning, you know, this was one of those. I think everybody from the beginning was like, oh, this is one who's going to come onto the show to make her own thing happen, to leave her husband. I mean, I think we all saw it pretty clearly. You know, Todd, I think is. Todd has looked like a jerk a lot on the show and especially with the, you know, the stuff that that has been brought up about him, like looking at ladies lingerie on the plane. Do I think men do that? Yeah, of course. But still not a great look. Then the stuff about the affair. Was there an affair? Wasn't there affair? We don't know because it was just so brahmanized last year that we can't. We. Our brains were bubbled by the end and we don't really know what happen that. But then there's the other side of Todd that's like, raised her kid and like helped her family and like supported her family when they're sick. And it. I'm not saying that money replaces all of that and I don't think it should, but it seemed like it was more than money. Like when he was dropping everything to go move the dad and help the mom and do. And move the mom from the house and stuff. So I don't know. There's part of me that kind of feels for Todd, but also it's where the rest of this keeps going that I'm like, oof. Am I feeling for Todd? It doesn't mean I'm anti Bronwyn in the whole thing in this situate particular situation, but I did kind of feel for Todd. Did you?

[Heather]

No, I don't feel.

[Brahman]

No.

[Heather]

He cheated on her. He cheated on her and they knew what they were getting into. They're intelligent people and if this was something you're gonna be uncomfortable with, you just have to. I don't know. I just.

[Brahman]

Yeah, I don't know. My whole thing was. Has always been the whole season and even last season, like, leave him. Like, I feel like if you're not happy in your relationship, then you should leave. And a lot of the behavior we saw from, I was like, just leave that guy. I mean, I've said it a million times. I guess I just kind of felt bad for him in this. Just because of all this stuff with her parents, like, that's all mixed in and his help with that and then the stuff that she says next, I.

[Heather]

Was like, oh, but also, like, it's. It's really lovely that he did that for the parents. But also like, that's what you should do anyway. Like, that's. It's like, congratulations, you did well.

[Brahman]

Not everybody does.

[Heather]

That's.

[Brahman]

Not everybody is going to show up for your parents like that and like ride for them and help them and move them and move them into your house and get them, you know, all the specialized care. I mean, not everyone's going to do that, you know.

[Heather]

But it doesn't mean I have to feel bad for him. I think that's very.

[Brahman]

No, you don't have to. I'm just.

[Heather]

I think that's very nice. But don't forget, this is a man who shook my brother's seat on a. On a Delta flight recently. He attacked my family. He attacked.

[Brahman]

That's true. Todd. Down with Todd. Never mind.

[Heather]

I erase everything I just said on an airplane. He was the he. Meredith marks my brother as Brittany.

[Brahman]

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[Heather]

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[Brahman]

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[Brahman]

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[Heather]

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[Brahman]

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[Heather]

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[Heather]

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[Heather]

So anyway, Bronwyn is basically saying it was like the worst thing was being like, yeah, you have to go. And then there's this whole crazy story that Todd, like, he. They were living separate separately, and he went and he watched all of the show. He started season one and he binged the show and he called her up and said, well, Braun Meredith Marks as an icon. I get it now. Icon. Mother.

[Brahman]

Auntie K's husband is like, right? Icon. Ask her if she'll sign my poster. So, yeah, apparently this is where I was like, this is where I kind of felt bad because I guess Todd was like, all right, this is your own thing. I don't want to be involved in this shit, but if you want to do this housewives thing, fine, just leave me out of it. And then she does it and he doesn't watch it because he's like, it's a bunch of bullshit. I'm not getting involved in that. And then he doesn't realize how she's. How he's come off in it and how she's been talking about him in it and watched it all and was horrified and calls her sobbing, apparently. And then he went and mainlined Reddit.

[Heather]

Which is, ooh, don't do that when you're feeling low. Reddit is a dangerous place to go to. Yeah.

[Brahman]

So he went and read about himself on the Reddit and apparently called her sobbing about it and yikes.

[Heather]

Yeah, that's.

[Brahman]

So that's when I felt a little bad.

[Heather]

I do feel bad. That's. That's getting dragged on Reddit is because.

[Brahman]

I've been on there not, not dragging her. So I was like, that's me. It was probably me.

[Heather]

I know. By the way, did you. Did you feel at some point that they were like, todd, listen to watch what happens?

[Brahman]

I was like, well, you know, just like someone. It's. I'm sure it's hard enough being on these, Taking it, you know, all the hatred that you get from being on these shows, but having no idea that it's even out there. And then just getting it all in was like two years of just like this. This man is a piece of.

[Heather]

You know, but also like, that speaks.

[Brahman]

But he earned it.

[Heather]

I'm sorry. Like, I'm sorry. There's something like the fact that he, like, didn't even watch the show or didn't do his homework or just wasn't paying attention. Like, I, I respect that. There's a mindset that says, I'm saying my bubble. I don't care what people have to say about me. I don't care what people on the Internet have to say about me. Or, fine, that's. That's okay. But sometimes there's an element of like, this silly show that my wife is on, this trifle, this whatever, who cares? And it's like, no, these, like, it's a. It's a legit thing. And it's like, wow, people watch this show. People have thoughts on me. I'm like, yeah, bro, this isn't some, you know, rinky dink, you know, community production of Guys and Dolls, you know.

[Brahman]

I mean, although it is Salt Lake City, so it kind of is. But I get what you're supposed.

[Heather]

If you, if you wanted to join that, like, yeah, so Bronwyn's living in Utah, Todd's in New York. They're living separately, and she's not going to see him while she's in New York. I was like, wow, that's rough.

[Brahman]

And Andy, she's rumored to be dating some hottie. She's. She's appeared in some pictures with some hottie. So, yeah, good for her.

[Heather]

That's Queen.

[Brahman]

So Whitney is crying. You know, they keep cutting to Whitney being like, so they're finally. Andy's like, okay, Whitney, you're apparen. Need some attention. So you're emotional. Hearing Bronwyn's story. What are you thinking? Even though I've already asked you about your own marriage and you answered like a dingbat. So Go ahead. And she's like, well, I just relate so much to Bronwyn, and it's so hard because I, like, I'm going through something hard myself. And Bronwyn says, I know, but the way she looks at Whitney was so funny. She's like, really?

[Heather]

She's like, this is my scene.

[Brahman]

I have not spoken for two hours.

[Heather]

You just tried this in Meredith's scene. And Whitney's like, just. I'm on the reverse. I'm on the reverse side of Bronwyn. No, you're not. I'm looking right at you. No, no, metaphorically, I'm the one that feels like I always fuck up. So that's why I'm so emotional, because I'm, like, relating. Because Justin's, like, the most incredible husband, and, like, he. He puts chocolate syrup on his body for me, and he's the most amazing man, and I'm the one fucking it up. I'm the one who's always getting him fired from his no job. And Whitney's like, as I make it this hard, it's hard. And unless you're in it, you don't know.

[Brahman]

It's hard to understand.

[Heather]

Can I have a minute? I gotta get in the mirror. So Whitney goes off crying.

[Brahman]

Whitney, the only person to walk off during someone else's segment. I can't. So she goes off and she goes to talk to Justin, and she's like, ramen just told us that her and Todd are separated. And it just triggered me. And I don't know, it's everything we're going through, I felt so bad. I tried to keep it together. And he's like, you're strong, babe. You've got this. We're good. You know we're good, right? Stare into my teeth and repeat after me. We're good.

[Heather]

We'll figure it out when we go to Sturgis this summer. So then back on the stage, and he's like, wow, I don't know what that was about. I wasn't really listening. So, you know, there's a. There's a lot of love between you and Todd, right? She's like, and a lot of farts. And I adore him, but I'm. And I'm worried about him. I mean. And the worst thing for Todd is, you know, when he's watching the show, he's like, do you ever feel like I never look at you when I talk to you when. When you talk to me? And. And he said, do you feel like me taking the cherry was this huge thing? I mean, he was generally confused by it. And Heather goes, yes. Taking the cherry was a huge thing. That's a massive sign in Mormonism. You have five seconds before this whole place explodes. Get out.

[Brahman]

Well, he thinks that we have this history where he's shown up for me and loved me and been my friend and been my supporter, and so who cares if he ate a cherry? Like, who cares if he didn't look me in the eye in that one conversation? Unless you get everyone. Yeah, I mean, it sounds like a normal guy. Sounds like a normal guy to me.

[Heather]

Everyone else is like, that's such a. He took the cherry. That's a big deal. Because we all were like, how dare Todd take that cherry? But Lisa's like, I mean, like, that's normal guy. Like, that's what guys do. It's just like when you're like, the cheerleader needs the Carter back, and they take your chair, and you're like, oh, my God, that's so funny. Oh, my God. And that sounded so much dirtier than I meant it. Wow. Mary's like, well, Heather got her cherry.

[Brahman]

Taken by, like, 20 guys in college. Good time, girl.

[Heather]

Mary's like, I loved it. I love that he took the. The cherry. I thought it was cute. And then right afterwards, she was like, don't touch the cherry. That was my favorite part, because the man got to do what the man wanted to do. It was so adorable.

[Brahman]

Well, Mary. Mary, I didn't think that was very cute. And Heather's like, I didn't think he did it to be funny. He did it to steal your soul, like Mormonism. Mary's like, well, I don't think he meant any harm. Meredith's like, well, I mean, maybe if they were in a healthy place, it would have been a light joke, but they weren't. Stealing someone's cherry is a big deal. So crazy rich Asians ended not well.

[Heather]

People stealing cherries. And he was like, well, if. If I asked you if you felt that without that the show broke you up, you would say, well, I'm contractually obligated to say the show did not break us up. We were going in different paths, and it put a spotlight on it, and it just accelerated it just sort of the way the farts were accelerating in frequency from Todd's butt.

[Brahman]

I'm back. Oh, God. Whitney, are you okay? Yeah, I'm just relating to Bronwyn still, because I know how hard it is to fight for something that you love so much. Okay, it's still not your turn. Just sit down. Okay, so Bronwyn, in your best universe, would your future involve Todd? And she's like, oh, I don't know. I don't know what to say, Andy. I just think we got to see what happens from here.

[Heather]

We'll take your time. Take your time. All right. Meredith is on a Benzo again. Well, thank you for sharing tonight. And. And, you know, there's a lot of strength, and it's gonna work out. It's. It's gonna work out. I don't think so. I told Todd that my phone has a map feature. And he said, you're lying to me. No phone is capable of that. And I said, todd, there's a whole world outside of Palm Pilot. And he said, stop saying those things. And he cried, and he stole a cherry from me that I didn't even realize I had on me.

[Brahman]

Then he turned his hand into the shape of an airplane and started flying away. Andy, it's Palm Pilot.

[Heather]

It was terrible.

[Brahman]

And Heather goes, you did such a good job. Bad Mormon. Out now, parts one, two, and seven. So we go to commercial, and when we come back, Andy's like, okay, before I get to questions about Greece, Meredith and Heather, where do you two stand today? I want to hear Meredith and Heather yell at each other more. Oh, for Christ's sake.

[Heather]

They're sitting. All right, you don't have to interject. And Heather goes, yeah, I mean, we're not friends, so, you know, we'll see how that plays out next season.

[Brahman]

This reminds me of me and Justin. I need a moment. All right.

[Heather]

She's gone. Well, I mean, Heather's told me three times this reunion, so I guess we're not friends. I mean, I'm hoping for resolve, and I don't think there can be any resolve without an apology or just a level of accountability that we've all had to take. The kind of accountability you take when you leave Mormonism and.

[Brahman]

Well, exactly. And I'd be happy to talk to you about that. You lied or liar comment or whatever, and just. Well, I was. You lied. That was the comment. And you just pointed at me and you said that I lied and I didn't lie.

[Heather]

Well, yeah, I did do that, and I'm sorry I did that. It wasn't actually intended to be you, and that's why I stumbled with it for so long. So what actually Meredith is talking about is at the. Their. Like, their tea party thing, the spilling the tea party, that we see a flashback where Andy. Where Meredith was pointed at Heather and at, like, Britney or Whitney and said, you are but then later she was like, no, I am sorry, Heather. I didn't mean to point at you. I was. My vision's a little blurry today. I'm seeing a lot of things. I meant to point to Brittany. She was the liar there. I take it back.

[Brahman]

But I don't think this is Meredith being truthful, because she did mean Heather, because Heather and Whitney were saying she was just screaming and yelling on the plane. And she said she wasn't screaming and yelling on the plane. So she called them wires, right? And they call her out. They're like, didn't you point at three people? And she's like, no, I pointed at two people, like, no, it was three.

[Heather]

There were six people there, to be fair.

[Brahman]

So she's like, well, I meant to say Whitney and Britney. Well, but why didn't you, in the moment, correct the fact that you were pointing at the wrong person? Well, I tried. I did try to. And then we see a clip of her doing something I don't remember, and she.

[Heather]

She'd, like, talk to back. We see that she talked back, like, oh, I didn't mean you, Heather. I meant Britney or whatever.

[Brahman]

Yeah. And so he says, well, it sounds like you pointed three times. And Britney goes, she did. And she go, well, because Britney said it. Well, she's not a very reliable source. Well, actually, production just told me in my ear. Oh, well, they did. Well, I don't recollect pointing three times, but I didn't mean to point at Heather, and that's the bottom line.

[Heather]

So you believe I'm a liar like Mormons? Well, no, I did point you and I did say it. But you don't believe that about me. Well, I didn't at the time, but I don't know. I have some question marks on some things. I'll be totally honest. And there are some trust that has to be rebuilt on board sides. She's like, oh, amen, girl. Amen. All right, Brittany, why were you so offended when Meredith was talking to her son on Mother's Day? Well, I mean, I just thought it was rude. I mean, we all. We all were desperate to talk to our kids. It was right in the middle and, you know, she was in the hot seat and something that if I had done, I would have been destroyed.

[Brahman]

Destroyed by everyone. Since when would anybody be destroyed for their child? Calling them on Mother's Day, so bizarre. And Mary is like, well, did your daughters call you and Andy's. Well, was it a big problem for. I like that there is no answer.

[Heather]

And.

[Brahman]

And he's like, was it a big problem for everybody else or just Britney? Not me. I mean, I don't care. Well, I was irritated by it because we were all there on Mother's Day. It's like when I heard you were kind of losing it over not talking to Brooks. I mean, I was there on Mother's Day. I wasn't talking to my daughter either. And she's got a bob. She's got a Bob.

[Heather]

So that's not why I was losing it. It's because you actually tried to put a bob on Brookie, and he's just a toddler. He's not ready for his bob.

[Brahman]

Well, you know what? It's another issue. And we're not gonna go anywhere because Andy's like, well, why were you losing it, though? And she said, it's another issue. And Braun was like, well, no, tell me. I mean, if you. I don't understand. I mean, tell me. Well, you were mad at production. Just say you were mad at production. And Meredith just goes. She has a shrug, nod. We're like, okay, well, you want to say that at production. You're the one who said it. I did not say that.

[Heather]

You know, it's not gonna go well. You know, and when he's like, well, I actually have a big problem with this, because all day I've heard you throw production under the bus. And we see a flashback of Meredith saying that she was, like, set up. And. And this. There was a whole thing that got edited out. You know, that's what she said. And so Meredith is like, well, what do you want me to do? I'm telling the truth. And they impacted my behavior. And Mary's like, it's not production, Meredith. It's not production. Everyone on this couch, there's a second half to why we were recognized in Us Weekly. Well, everyone but Britney. And there's an entire team behind the scenes. There are other half. Yay for production.

[Brahman]

I love that they act like Us Weekly is the preeminent literary source in America. We were recognized by Us Weekly because of the heroes behind the camera. They fight for our country. They feed our children. They put water in rivers. Why are we acting like production is this innocent group of people who never fucks you guys over? Are you fucking kidding me? I love that they're acting like, oh, my God, production, who only has our best interests at heart. Really? Then why did they fire half your production team after this season was over? Because they did. You know, right? Yes. They fired Lori Gordon. They fired a bunch of people. They're like, wow. They're like, yeah, they're making a lot of changes over there. So if production was. Was so great, and why'd they all get fired? Everybody. But this is clearly Whitney stumping for another season, you know?

[Heather]

Yeah. And Meredith is like, well, I completely agree, but I can't lie about what I'm upset about and say it was the phone call when it wasn't. Well, I've been hearing you all day under your breath, throwing production under the bus. You're a liar, man. Liar. Liar. You're lying. Call me a liar all you want, but you're lying. And I'm so sick of you throwing your. Throwing our team under the bus because I've opened up our life because of our team. And for you to sit here and throw them under the bus when I am here, Perhaps they'll be back next season. Maybe. I don't know. Because I love production.

[Brahman]

I don't know.

[Heather]

And Mary's crying, and Andy's like, why are you crying? Because I don't like that she would talk about production that way.

[Brahman]

What are you guys doing? And Brittany's like, I don't like it either. And I've said something, too, about it. Okay. But so far, we know that something happened that Meredith was really upset about that wasn't talked about on the show, and she had to make it about Brooks. And we also know that this whole thing with Britney that happened during the season was cut, and so you. Meredith, had to be pretending to be mad about something else. So production is obviously steering things and trying to cut things. And they're also making her look crazy for things that might have looked a little bit more legitimate had she been able to vocalize them on the show. So I don't know. And also, how does she throw. Yeah, it's a whole. It's another Salt Lake City thing where we don't really get any answers, but the whole thing is a little weird.

[Heather]

Then Whitney goes, when we're at work, it's expected that we're not on our phones. We're engaged in the conversations. I'm like, the most iconic moments from the show have happened when people have been on their phones. Lisa Barlow, get my nine.

[Brahman]

Laura's on the phone.

[Heather]

I want to go to the death on. You know, so Andy is like, well, what set you off about being about being on on her phone? Because she was getting out of being in the hot seat. And so they're mad that. I mean, it seemed pretty obvious to us. She did have a very convenient phone call. With Brooks in the middle of a fight. Right. There's, like, wall. So I couldn't pick it back up. And three to five minutes after I was done talking to my toddler and hearing how he was doing with his Alphabet. No, because then you victimize yourself and make us feel bad. Like, how are we gonna bring it back up When Meredith is sad? That's what you do.

[Brahman]

Well, I couldn't have been sad if I just sat and talked to my son, maybe. Well, there's always some big crap thing that happens, and then we can't bring it up. Meredith, Meredith, what was your reaction when you saw Whitney, Mary, and Bronwyn express their concerns about your mood swings? Anyone who doesn't remember this is when they went to lunch in Greece and suggested they're all terribly worried about Meredith. Meredith. For not remembering what happened on the plane, suggesting that it's got to be some kind of substance abuse problem, no matter how they would try and make it sound today.

[Heather]

Yeah. Meredith says that, you know, she was sad, that they felt concerned, but there was no truth to it. And Andy's like, well, Whitney, you apologize to Meredith for accusing her of abusing substances, but you later double down as your own experience with your dad as it related to these things. So why did you apologize if you didn't mean it? No, I apologize for labeling her that, but I don't apologize for insinuating her as that.

[Brahman]

Lieaholic, lie popper and Brahman's.

[Heather]

Like, well, none of us were saying that you're an addict. You have mental health struggles that you've. You're cheating in your marriage. We were just leading the audience there, and they could just go the rest of the way, and that's it. But we were.

[Brahman]

This is what makes me crazy about. Of course you were. You guys are such gaslighters. Just admit what you were doing. You were completely insinuating that, and you've done it the whole season. And Andy's like, well, how do you think it came off on camera? And Meredith's like, well, they were making accusations. And Meredith. Mary's like, no, I. I wasn't. I was just comparing you to my son, who is an addict and saying it's the same thing, and that's why I'm worried for you. And Bronwyn's like, well, I said very clearly that this is how I handle it, and this is how I feel that, you know, what if you're an addict? I don't know. I didn't say you were an addict. It's like, well, we don't do things. We're all different people. Okay, I'm gonna tell all 13 of you right here and right now. I cannot walk a straight line.

[Heather]

That's a big group of people that I'm seeing in front of me.

[Brahman]

X, Y, W, B. Are you saying the Alphabet backwards? Yes, I made it to A. Thank you.

[Heather]

Thank you. Ron was like, well, all. All we said is we're concerned about you. And I. I didn't make a single accusation. I spoke for my own experience. Honestly, what they really have to say is, look, we're not saying you're any of these things, but we're also saying that we have had experience with people who have acted in similar ways. And we want to make sure that you're. Since your behavior reminds us of that, we want to make sure that you're not going through something like that. We want to double check because we've all.

[Brahman]

Yeah, like, have to say it with your whole chest. I mean, you guys have been insinuated. At least Whitney kind of if in her half assed apology. But at least Whitney's done it. But I mean, the rest of you, if you're going to make the. If you're going to go on camera and make these accusations and stand by them and say I said that you're a pillpo, I think I'm worried about you because you do seem like you're abusing drugs and alcohol. And if you say you're not, then fine. But that's what it looks like to me. Yeah, but this is like, I seen.

[Heather]

It in my life. It looked like this. So I'm seeing it in you. I don't know whether you are or not, but I have to check in because if I don't check in, I feel like I'm being irresponsible.

[Brahman]

Right.

[Heather]

And yeah, America can be like, I'm not.

[Brahman]

But instead Romwood does this thing that she always does and is like, I didn't say that I didn't do that you didn't do, blah, blah, blah. She starts denying it. And so Meredith is like, well, you did make an accusation about me. And she goes, well, what accusation did I make? What did I mean? She goes, that baby voice. And she's like, well, then my husband was on a date. Oh, no. I said at least two or three times I don't know who he was with. And it's not my place to say. Prom went. You 100% insinuated that man. You caught that man cheating on her in a restaurant in New York. Stop it.

[Heather]

And she goes, and you haven't seen where Todd and I both said, there's no way that that's what's going on. But what we both said.

[Brahman]

Oh, so were you saying. You're saying production cut that out. So you're blaming production for her not seeing that. Oh, I see. Okay, so it's okay for you.

[Heather]

But what we both. But we both said is that Todd was out and one of you had seen Todd. Todd. That that would have been what was run with. And I'm so defensive about my marriage. Well, I mean, that's a fine point to make, but that wasn't the point you were making. Yeah, I'm concerned and like, you know, here's something that might be going on, which is that I saw Todd with a woman. It was not like, you know, this is because I saw Todd with a woman and I don't even think he's cheating. But I know if Todd. I'm sorry, I saw, I saw what's his face. Seth with a woman. And I. If I don't even think Seth's cheating. But I know if toddler rule one, then I'd be getting it from all sides. Sides. But that's not what she was saying at all. At all. It was not the context of it. And yeah, the Meredith is like, well, I've never said anything about Todd Brahman. I don't even know who the Todd is. Who's Todd. I wasn't even listening. No, but you've sat idly bye. While your bestie has over and over and over again. And it wasn't a problem that my marriage was talked about until this one talked about your marriage. Well, this is a different point. Yeah, not a terrible point either, I have to say, but this is a totally different point than what Bronwyn was bringing up.

[Brahman]

It's deflection from what Bronwyn actually did. Meredith never did that to you. And to Meredith, period. And now you're trying to make it like, oh, Britney did it. Yeah, but you did it too. And you did it after Britney did it, so you know how bad it was and you still did it. So she's like, well, you didn't do. You didn't stand up for me with your bestie. Emeritus is like, well, did I ever contribute to saying anything about your marriage? And she's like, no, but you can didn't contribute to stopping it. Oh my God, then we're all fucking guilty for forest fires because we didn't bring out a hose.

[Heather]

Well, she's basically saying you're taking this righteous, righteous stand about marriages, but you didn't take this righteous stand when my marriage was involved. It's only when your marriage was involved, you know?

[Brahman]

Well, if Meredith had taken a stand against Bronwyn having a righteous stand about her marriage being talked about, then that would have been the same thing. But this isn't the same thing. Meredith's. Meredith's relate. Meredith's marriage was attacked two times, and she has the right to take a stand. And the fact that someone's being like, well, it's fine when someone else does it to me. Yeah, she didn't do it to you. So aim it towards Lisa.

[Heather]

Ron, why didn't you take a stand for Meredith? I mean, you were just like, Todd was just accused of making out with a girl while farting, and you don't like that at all. So Meredith is like. But Meredith is very funny because she's like, well, I didn't jump in because you weren't handling it. I mean, why would I speak up in that moment? You made it very clear that I. The problem was like, you know what, Meredith? Because I thought we were fucking friends, and that's why. And you want to. You want to get into the. You and me not being friends or being friends or I'm just your fucking assistant. Let's get into that. That. Because I'm sure that's what's next, right, Andy, you have that next. Okay, we're gonna go there next. All right, Judy from Judytown asks, what's the situation with you and Meredith? Well, thank you for asking that, because I'm gonna answer it right now. You're kind of taking over. That's right. I am taking over, Andy, because I'm the host now. All right. Because, like, you don't think you asked me to do much, just report back to you on what all my conversations were with everyone and then just sit there and eat when you. When you out me in front of everybody else and then be like, oh, that was off camera. We can never prove it. Convenient, Meredith.

[Brahman]

So, okay, so Meredith is like, well, we. I didn't say we didn't have a conversation in my room. We did. We just had a disagreement about. What was that, Meredith? I've gone and I'm going to tell you this honestly, Meredith. I valued our friendship. Like when I suggested that your husband was cheating on you and that you were an alcoholic and then said that you had me to your room and screamed my head off and threaten me with a knife. And she's like, you know, And I would love for us to be friends. But today what you are not going to do is you are going to question the statement of bullshit with me. And we are not going to do it. And we have gone to come to Meredith or Bronwyn conversation about what happened, and all of us have to sit here and have hard conversations and why are you above it? Sit the fuck down and talk through it with us. She's having the conversation. She's calling you a liar for what you're accusing her of in the conversation while you deflect and lie about what you actually said in the other conversation.

[Heather]

Well, I'm not above it. Just don't talk to me that way. Don't talk to me. Oh, I absolutely will. You talked to me that way when I came to your room raging and raving that this was all happening.

[Brahman]

Oh, so now she was ranting and raving at you and going crazy in the room. Lots and up. You've just upped that story before. It was. She asked you what happened at lunch, and now she was ranting and raging at you and screaming at you in the.

[Heather]

The.

[Brahman]

Okay.

[Heather]

Well, I told you to sit the down. I never said. You just sit the down. No, Meredith. But you scared me into your. Into your. Into your. Into your stink. You were yelling at me. You were yelling at me. I. I was not yelling. First of all, there were two people there. Why would I make a scene? And there's two. I'm outnumbered. You and your sister.

[Brahman]

Meredith, it's enough. Come on. Okay, Meredith said she never asked you about the lunch. And Meredith says we did have a conversation about the lunch, but I didn't ask. Ask her. You did ask me, and I didn't want to tell you what happened at our lunch because that was the lunch. That I was outing your husband for having an affair that he didn't have and calling you an alcoholic, which I think is funny. I mean, we have to remember that this conversation happened right after this lunch where Bronwyn did all that. So Bronwyn was the one guilty at that lunch. And then she's coming back and like, so she doesn't want to tell her what happens at lunch, so she wakes up and turns it into this big thing that Meredith was abusing her by trying to get her gossip out. That, no, you were talking and you didn't want to be caught. And now you're deflecting.

[Heather]

So Meredith says, how was your lunch? You know, I didn't say. What was everyone saying? I didn't ask what anyone said. I don't care. I don't care. That's just like that. That's what you're not getting. I don't care. Ron. And he's like, robin, do you feel used by Meredith? And Meredith, what's your response to her feeling abused by you? Well, I'm not using you, and I'm not trying to gain anything from you at all. Support. Well, you didn't gain the upper hand when I said to you that there's an accusation about you that I feel is a dangerous implication. You volunteered that to me, Bronwyn, and you gained the upper hand. I mean, I'm Meredith. I'm. I'm Nikon. I already have the upper hand. I'm a dj.

[Brahman]

And instead of just being prepared to handle that conversation, you deflected from having to answer that by saying that Whitney. Okay, but you. Bronwyn is. Bronwyn does that too. I mean, Bronwyn is the one who goes and yaps everything that people tell her in confidence. Confidence constantly. So the fact that she's up here, this, like, how dare you, Meredith. I told you things in confidence, and then you use them against me. You do it to everybody on the cast. You've literally been yelled at by everyone in this cast for doing this to them. I don't get why she's so, like, how dare you saying something that I told you in private. Oh, my God.

[Heather]

So Bronwyn basically, like, then she's also mad because she's like, well, you put words in my mouth when you talk to Lisa and Brittany about Britney and saying, you know, she's mad that. That basically, Brahman told Meredith that what Britney was throwing up on the boat. And then Meredith told Lisa, like, well, I heard that Britney was puking everywhere. And he's like, whatever, I just made a joke. Well, it's not a joke. Those. Are there people on these couches who deal with those addictions. Stop it. Stop it. I have a problem with that.

[Brahman]

As if you haven't been doing that the whole season. You guys, come on.

[Heather]

I know.

[Brahman]

Now it's like, oh, but people who have real problems don't want to hear that. Yeah, but you guys are the ones who've been doing it. That's why Meredith did it. It was like her revenge for you gu. Doing it to her. Like, what's confusing?

[Heather]

So Whitney's upset because Meredith would, like, not engage with any sort of conversation about whether or not she has an issue. But then she turns around and just tells Lisa, implies to Lisa that that Britney has actually an issue?

[Brahman]

Well, yeah, because Britney implied that she had an issue. It's like a stupid revenge. It's like, oh, I have a problem. Well, I heard she was drunk and throwing up. I mean, it's fair. They brought it. Britney is the one who brought it into evidence. So she's allowed to count counter. Yeah, she's allowed to cross.

[Heather]

So Brahman's like, well, she's like, well, this is the problem. You talk to me off camera, or you check me to come to your room and there's no cameras. Or I see. With your hand over your mouth. And the sprinter telling Heather, let's talk. Or I called you and we weren't filming. At least. At least I was like, she said she what? She wanted to talk to you. Like, whatever. She's like, no, no, I'd like to jump in. I've been quiet for too long on this. She wanted a one on one and I didn't want a one on one. I didn't want it because we have. We are a six on six. Sisterhood.

[Brahman]

Yeah, but that's not an example of Meredith trying to be shady by telling Heather, I want to speak to you one on one. She wasn't saying, I want to speak to you one on one off camera. She said on camera, I want to speak to you one on one. That means I don't want to do it in front of everybody. And Bronwood's like, how dare you? This is another example of you trying to manipulate. So Meredith is like, well, that's 100% true. I did want to get resolution with Heather, and every time I tried in the group, everyone was yelling and screaming and I couldn't. Well, that feels very convenient to me. It feels like you can do stuff off camera. When it comes up on camera, you say, that's not what I said, and that's not what happened. And no one can prove it.

[Heather]

Well, brawling in case it didn't land, because I feel like we got sidetracked. I would never want you to feel that I was using you. I'm not using you. I'm sorry that it came off that I was. And I want to be very clear. I don't want you to. To feel that way. And I'm sorry. And to quote your mother's T shirt, everything's okay. Everything's okay.

[Brahman]

Frazzled cat.

[Heather]

So Brahman's like, yeah, sure, I accept the apology. I had my scene. I'm done. We can wrap this up. So Andy is. Andy asked Angie why she wanted Stella to write a play And Angie's like, well, I thought it'd be good for people to see ourselves that's, you know, whatever outside of ourselves. And Andy's like, well, Lisa, you had. You two had an emotional moment after the play. It seems like you do Baker like scissors, but you always come back like sisters. What's your relationship been like? Well. Oh, my God, Andy, you know, when I saw Angie at the US Weekly shoot, oh, my God, what an honor. What an honor. Like, I went right up to her, and I felt like this. I could just be, like, so myself with her. And I just, like, went up to her, and I was like, hey, this really bugs me because I was hanging out with Ben Affleck, and I didn't have anyone to tell to, so now I can tell it to you. And this doesn't bug me anymore because I can get off my chest. I got to speak to Ben Affleck. Angie. I just felt like, such a soft spot for her in that moment.

[Brahman]

You know what? I love Angie because we have talks, you know, Like, I've told her, like, I love hamburgers. I love Diet Coke. I love French fries. And then she could, like, turn on me and, like, hurt my feelings. And I hurt my feelings. You know, Like, I want to resolve and move forward, but it's like a hamster on a wheel. It's like a hamster on a wheel who doesn't even know Blake Lively.

[Heather]

And I'm just like, I'm to say I'm dizzy. So. So Mary's like, well, what did you. What did you. What did Angie say that you heard that you didn't like? And Lisa's like, well, she said that I'm ruining the show. And, like, and I'm not this and I'm not that and that. Whatever. I was like, well, sometimes it's hard to be your friend because I feel like your expectations can be unreal because you are not Greek.

[Brahman]

It's hard to be your friend because you expect your friends to not go on podcasts and say that you should be fired from the show. It's really. That's a really huge expectation to have of your friends. And she's like, yeah, but you know what? Like, my expectation is like, let's laugh together. You know, like, let's talk about, like, how good our hair and how bad Britney's hair is. You know, like, I make a concerted effort to go deeper with you, Angie. Like, I talked to you about it. Emotional things, like when Wendy's changed his French fries and sensitive things about, like, when I tried a white chocolate Kit Kat, and it didn't really work for me, you know, and everything. Like, it felt like. We talk about God, our kids, Louis Vuitton, your mom experiences, you know, real things. So for me, when we're friends, I just feel like we're really friends.

[Heather]

Like, it's not superficial, but. You talk about superficial, but you sometimes do lead with your stuff and, like, who you are, and you love things, but you have another side of you that is, like, very lovable, and I want to see that more. Yeah, you say that, but I really don't. I really don't. Are you saying you don't have another side that's lovable? No, no, no. I'm saying I don't talk about my material things. Like, for instance, when I was at this party with, like, Ben and Blake, and I had this, like, amazing Chanel bag with me, I was like, look at me. I'm lovable. I'm relatable. Right?

[Brahman]

I like that. Andy's like, you know, you're superficial sometimes. I mean, I have five Porsches. I got, like, the first one, so I've had the first Porsche, so whatever.

[Heather]

So basically, Angie's like, look, yeah, you do have, like, you have this wonderful side of you, but you also get really defensive because you sort of get wrapped up in the material stuff. And she goes, but look at our conversations. The proof is in the pudding. The pudding that they now sell at Wendy's. What a great addition to the menu. I want to move forward with you. I just don't want to go backwards.

[Brahman]

There's no point in going backwards.

[Heather]

Oh, it's so tit for ta. Okay, let's go forward. Let's go forward, my little Scorpio.

[Brahman]

Yeah. So they decide they're going to move forward because we're nearing the end here, people, so. And he's like, okay, we're back with final thoughts. I want to close on a positive note. Let's go around and say what we learned this season, and the answers are bizarre. Mary's like, it's important to see yourself put out energy that you want to receive. And Whitney's like, failure is the universe or God redirecting. You guys are not supposed to be reading off Instagram, like, pop psychology, like, thirst quotes. Like, what are you reading?

[Heather]

Yeah. And Brittany's saying, I just, you know, I've learned to be patient. Good things will come for people who are patient. Like, what are you patient over? And Angie's. Angie is. You know, she's learned about acceptance and Meredith is like, well, I've learned, you know, that Crazy Rich Asians is a more complicated film than I originally thought. And. And I really owe. Oh, what, Another viewing?

[Brahman]

If you're gonna pop a pill, do it in the privacy of your own room, I guess.

[Heather]

Did we. I think we didn't. I think we may have missed the part where I think we came back from break and there's this, like, little spread of Greek food on the table in front of them. And Brittany's like, oh, my God, I can't wait to eat. I've been eyeing those chocolate covered cherries all night. And Angie goes, those are olives. I mean, like, one of the. She thought olives were chocolate covered cherries.

[Brahman]

Well, Andy, I don't know if I really learned this, but it really became crystal clear to me that the best moments of my life have been with you guys. And also the darkest. Hey, why are you looking at me? You're spray tan. It's really, really dark, Lisa. Oh, okay. It's. It's natural, though. The sun loves me. I'm sorry. Get mad at the sun.

[Heather]

Well, I can give it to all these women. When I say that I can give it to all these women, I really can. I guess I just want to say how much I truly love and cherish our friendships, even if you are gaslighting me. Me. But the highs and lows of them. When we have fun, we really do have fun. When we love each other, we really do. And when we leak to the press, I still love you, despite the fact that you're a duplicitous. That's just who I am.

[Brahman]

You know, sometimes I learned that change is negative and it means there's been a failure or an ending or something you did wrong. And change can be a good thing. And change has to start with me. And so I'm changing everybody in my life, life. And I'm changing the way I show up in some of these friendships. And I have to change the way I interact with my own mom. And maybe Todd and I have to be good with Gwen doing the change in her own life. She's not going to grow out her hair. She will keep a bob. But other changes are. Okay.

[Heather]

Okay. They're okay. All right, Lisa, what have you learned? Well, intake. It's really important. Intake.

[Brahman]

You can't go to a doctor without answering their questions.

[Heather]

Yeah. When you have set up an air conditioner, you can't block that intake because otherwise you don't get the cold air. Yeah.

[Brahman]

If you have French fries, but you don't give them intake. You can't digest them.

[Heather]

All right, well, for our final toast, we have some baklava here. Who wants some baklava? Brittany, it does not mean you've got lava on your back. Oh, God, I was so worried there for a moment. Okay.

[Brahman]

Well, Mary's like, I can't have sugar, Andy. I'm. I'm gonna. I'm not gonna eat it. But it. It looks delicious. So I just. I just want to congratulate all the fat people here for just being so bold. Go, fat people.

[Heather]

Enjoy your baklava. So they do a baklava toast, which then made me want to have baklava. Quite frankly, I may have to source some later today. And that concludes.

[Brahman]

I don't know why it made me laugh that Meredith was really enjoying her. She was, like, actually eating it and being like.

[Heather]

The layers of phyllo are really distinct and delicious. The ratio of honey and walnuts is really perfect.

[Brahman]

Yeah. So thanks for the season, Salt Lake City. I think overall a pretty good season. I got a little frustrated at the end, but that's kind of natural for me at the end of. At the end of a season. But I thought, you know, overall pretty good. It got a little annoying towards the end, but overall, great. Still love it.

[Heather]

I thought it was. I thought it was a very good season. And I think it's a good thing that they're gonna make some tweaks ahead of next season. Not that the show. Not that this was a bad season, but, like, you know, we've become. We're pretty good at seeing where this, like, this might be heading towards a danger zone. The cast is becoming a little too self aware, Heather. And so let's just, like, make some tweaks. And I'm excited for what next season has to bring us, but thanks for a wonderful season overall. And, yeah, good times. Now we pivot on Tuesday nights to.

[Brahman]

Summer House Summerhouse starting next week. I'm so excited. Season 10.

[Heather]

Yes. Thanks, everyone for being here, and we'll catch you on the next episode. Bye. Watch what Crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors. Ain't no thing like Alison King. It's always a party on Allison Block.

[Brahman]

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[Brahman]

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[Brahman]

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[Brahman]

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[Heather]

Coutar.

[Brahman]

We love you guys. Lunch was great, but this traffic is awful. Can we stop at a bathroom? Are you alright? I keep having stomach issues after eating like diarrhea, gas and bloating, abdominal pain.

[Heather]

And sometimes oily stools.

[Brahman]

Sound familiar? Those stomach issues may actually be a pancreas issue called exocrine pancreatic insufficiency or ep. Creon may help manage EPI. Creon is a prescription medicine used to treat people who can't digest food normally because their pancreas doesn't make enough enzymes. Creon may increase your chance of fibrosing colonopathy, a rare bowel disorder. Tell your doctor if you have a history of intestinal blockage or scarring or thickening of your bowel wall, if you.

[Heather]

Are allergic to pork or if you.

[Brahman]

Have gout, kidney problems or worsening of painful swollen joints. Call your doctor if you have any unusual or severe gastrointestinal symptoms or allergic reactions. Take Creon as directed by your doctor and always with food. Do not chew capsules as this may cause mouth irritation. Other side effects may include blood sugar changes, gas, dizziness, sore throat and cough. These are not all the side effects Creon. Call 863-9110 or visit creoninfo.com to learn more. That's C R E O N info.com I'm asking my doctor about EPI and if Creon could help.