#3196 Married To Medicine S12E09 + Karen Huger Interview: MiraMarred Intentions and Huger Hubris Part One

Summary

Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens #3196

Episode Title: Married To Medicine S12E09 + Karen Huger Interview: MiraMarred Intentions and Huger Hubris Part One
Release Date: February 2, 2026
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

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Episode Overview

This episode of Watch What Crappens delivers a “2 for 1 special” as Ben and Ronnie first dig into the widely anticipated Karen Huger “jailhouse interview” from Real Housewives of Potomac (RHOP), then launch into a recap of Married to Medicine S12E09. The Karen Huger segment is packed with playful mockery, deep dives into Karen’s accountability (or lack thereof) regarding her DUI past, a breakdown of notable “Karen-isms”, and plenty of classic Crappens observational comedy. The Married to Medicine recap picks up on the latest trip drama, seasoned with the hosts’ signature sharp-witted banter.

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1. Karen Huger Jailhouse Interview Recap

RHOP – The “Huger Hubris” Interview with Andy Cohen

Key Moments & Insights

Karen’s Return and Family Dynamics

• [03:13] The episode opens with Karen’s release from jail. Ben and Ronnie quickly riff on her traumatized, acid-washed-jeans look and her theatrical GoPro “roll the window” scene.
  • “It’s me, Karen. I’ll see you at the Tally Ho, darling.” – Karen (as impersonated by Ben) [03:44]
• [05:34] Ray, Raven, and Karen’s sister Bridget are at the house prepping for Karen’s return, complete with Ray’s signature old-font welcome sign.
• The hosts poke fun at Raven’s “grown woman playing a child” vibes:
  • "She's got that energy of a theater kid." – Ben [06:21]
• [07:04] Discussion on how housewives' children seem to warp in age between seasons, dramatizing Raven’s influencer transformation.

Karen’s Jail Tales & Female Solidarity

• [09:50] Karen describes fellow inmates donating hair extensions to her; hosts spin this into musical-theater fantasy and a praise of female camaraderie.
  • "It's like a can drive, but hair... just anybody who likes Karen, leave some hair in a box." – Ben [10:09]
  • "Thank God for women. And people always wonder why gay guys only want to hang out with women. This is why!" – Ben [10:36]

Accountability, Addiction or Skirting?

• [17:36] Andy presses Karen about her drinking and DUI history – does she accept “alcoholic” as a label?
  • “Am I an alcoholic? Of course not. I have a disease called addiction to pills that are prescribed only by a doctor… for happiness, Andy.” – (Karen, as impersonated by Ben) [17:43]
• Both hosts debate the genuineness of Karen’s accountability. Ben feels she tries to minimize the alcohol angle, while Ronnie defends her strategic ambiguity:
  • “She is the master of the rebrand... I would expect nothing less of Karen Huger.” – Ronnie [20:10]
• The narrative repeatedly returns to Karen’s tendency to skirt direct labels, a classic Housewives tactic.

Karen on Legal Seafood, DUIs, and That Viral Video

• [21:36] Karen confirms Ashley’s reveal that she used to day-drink at Legal Seafood, but “20 years ago”, poking fun at the imagery and absurdity.
  • “What a delicious manifestation of your struggles: I get drunk every day, but I also have a wonderful bowl of clams.” – Ronnie [22:18]
• [23:01] Discussing the viral bodycam footage, Karen claims she never watched it (Ronnie believes her, Ben does not).
  • “There’s just no way that Karen is not going to watch herself on a viral video.” – Ben [25:24]

Karen’s Jail Experience and General Population

• [32:03] Karen details lining a metal jail toilet with maxi pads as a “throne” and talks about food (crab meat!).
  • “I was like, they serve crab in jail?” – Ronnie [35:07]
• [35:30] Karen claims she insisted on staying in general population to “help the youth”—met with skepticism and Crappens comedy.
  • “I’m like a five wick candle, they’re a single wick…” – Ben (impersonating Karen) [36:14]
  • “Just put that crab meat through the maxi pad... you got that hooch.” – Ben as Karen [36:38]

Karen and Wendy Fallout

• [37:09] The hosts highlight Karen's “un-thank” of Wendy at the reunion, hinting at unresolved beef:
  • “Wendy knows why I didn’t thank her. That’s a conversation for me and Wendy.” – Ben as Karen [37:27]

Outlook for a Sober Karen

• [38:04] Speculation on how a “sober Karen” would fit into RHOP, noting she was never especially known as the “drunk” of the cast.
  • “It probably won’t be that different…” – Ben [38:23]

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “She’s got that energy of a theater kid.” – Ben ([06:21])
• “It’s like a can drive, but hair.” – Ben ([10:09])
• “Thank God for women. And people always wonder why gay guys only want to hang out with women. This is why!” – Ben ([10:36])
• “She is the master of the rebrand... I would expect nothing less of Karen Huger.” – Ronnie ([20:10])
• “What a delicious manifestation of your struggles: I get drunk every day, but I also have a wonderful bowl of clams.” – Ronnie ([22:18])
• “There’s just no way that Karen is not going to watch herself on a viral video.” – Ben ([25:24])
• “I’m like a five wick candle, they’re a single wick…” – Ben as Karen ([36:14])
• “Just put that crab meat through the maxi pad... and see what comes out!” – Ben as Karen ([36:38])

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2. Married To Medicine S12E09 Recap

MiraMarred Intentions: Group Trip Drama

Key Discussion Points

News Flash: Quad and King Split

• [39:34] Ronnie breaks the news that Quad and King are officially over (King confirmed it on Instagram), which Ben says is both sad and a little expected:
  • “He did show a lot of red flags... but I like seeing Quad happy.” – Ben [39:52]

The Miramar Beach Trip & Heavenly’s Arrival

• Simone struggles with Heavenly’s presence; Jackie tries to mediate using faux-therapy speak.
• [40:47] The hosts lampoon Jackie’s “Can I validate your feelings?” as a parking garage transaction, expanding into a “gift shop purchase” riff.
  • “Now, did your feelings buy anything in the gift shop?” – Ben ([41:03])

Simone vs. Heavenly

• Heavenly breaks down emotionally, feeling isolated and attacked, while Jackie tries to “hold space.”
• [42:04] “I want you in Heavenly to hear each other so that you can find out the why.” – Jackie as impersonated by Ben
• Contessa tries to lighten the mood with a balloon-popping game—both hosts find this ludicrous.

Housewives Therapy Satire

• Throughout, Ben and Ronnie mock the therapy-speak (“hold space”, “validate your feelings,” etc.), and the performative interventions of the cast.

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “Now, did your feelings buy anything in the gift shop?” – Ben ([41:03])
• “I do not need validation for my feelings.” – Ronnie as Simone ([41:19])
• “Just pretend Heavenly is a giraffe.” – Ben ([43:48])

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3. Tone, Style, & Memorable Moments

• The episode crackles with Ben and Ronnie’s signature blend of absurdist humor, fast-talking banter, pitch-perfect impressions (especially of Karen), and deep-rooted Bravo-reality nerd knowledge.
• They are unafraid to poke fun at Bravo’s stars while also expressing affection for them, often skirting the line between satire and genuine concern for reality TV “villains” like Karen Huger.

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4. Essential Timestamps

• Karen Leaves Jail & Family Scene: [03:01]–[07:44]
• The “Hair Drive” in Jail: [09:50]–[10:44]
• Accountability, Pills vs Alcohol, and Label Games: [17:36]–[21:12]
• Ashley’s Train Story & Legal Seafood: [21:36]–[22:33]
• Viral Arrest Footage & Karen’s Claims: [23:01]–[26:08]
• General Population in Jail Story: [35:30]–[36:06]
• Karen & Wendy Non-Apology: [37:09]–[37:34]
• Quad and King Split (Married to Medicine Goss): [39:34]
• Jackie's Fake “Validating Feelings” Therapy: [40:47]–[41:19]
• Balloon-Popping Therapy Game: [42:55]–[43:09]

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In Summary

This Part One episode of Watch What Crappens is an entertaining, incisive, and affectionately mocking breakdown of the RHOP Karen Huger post-jail interview and Married to Medicine trip shenanigans. The hosts expertly dissect the reality TV “language of accountability,” the strategic PR maneuvers of Housewives, and the melodrama and friendships at the heart of Bravo’s universe. The show is rich with improvisational comedy and memorable impressions, ensuring that even listeners who didn’t watch the source episodes will understand the drama—and laugh along.

For the continuation and full Married to Medicine recap, listen to Part Two, as mentioned at [44:27].

Transcript

[Ronnie]

Who cares what happens when there's so much what happens? Who cares what happens when there's so much that crappens.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappin the podcast for.

[Andy]

All the crap we love to talk.

[Ben Mandelker]

About on Ye Old Bravs. I'm Ronnie and that over there, so very handsome, thin and well coiffed Ben Mandelker. Hello, Ben.

[Ronnie]

Hi Ronnie. How's it going?

[Andy]

Good.

[Ben Mandelker]

Happy Monday, buddy.

[Ronnie]

Happy Monday.

[Ben Mandelker]

Super exciting Monday because Amazon Live is now going daytime, people. We're at 1:30pm Pacific Time. So it's coming up today right now in a minute. And then tonight on Crappy Hour we've got Crystal Kung Minka from the Hubble Rag podcast. So excited to talk to her. Come talk to us over on YouTube live. You can find it on our Patreon. It's a free post. That's also where you find our newsletter, our bonus episodes that are covering Traders right now, all of our videos and ad free listening. It's all at Patreon, guys. The newsletter and the the crappy hours are all free. So go over there. And we are putting up the nominations for Golden Crappy Awards. Those go up this week as well as the live stream tickets. You can buy Those coming up Wednesday 4th if you want to come see us in Hollywood. There are a few tickets left still over@watch whatcrappens.com that's February 27th. We're so excited, Kai. I hope we see all of you there.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, that's going to be great. Can't wait for this ballot to come together. I was looking over everything that people have submitted over the past, you know, two weeks or so and there are so many funny moments that I've forgotten about. Like, you know, it's, it's just crazy. We, you know, we get to this part of the year and right now all we can think about is Salt Lake City and Potomac. Like that was like a large number of the suggestions come from those shows but the truth is that the Valley had such an amazing season and, and Summer House too. And there's just all these things from nine months ago that we just blatantly forget about. And it's so fun revisiting them all with everyone's suggestions. So, you know, we're going to get the Sorting House out after this and we're going to get some the categories ready and it's going to be a fun one this year, that's for sure. But today we are going to be doing a bit of a 2 for 1 special on the podcast because we've got Karen's big interview, her jailhouse interview, post jailhouse meaning jail, comma, house interview, and marriage to medicine. You know, the Karen interview was really fun to watch, was really interesting, but it wasn't really, like, enough for a full recap. Could you imagine?

[Karen]

And then Karen was like, I'm an alcoholic, but I don't want to say it.

[Ronnie]

I mean, it's not. This doesn't really have the. It's just not quite like the recap stuff. But I mean, we could definitely want.

[Ben Mandelker]

To talk about it, so we could subject you guys to that. But, you know, let's. Let's all do ourselves a favor today. Yeah. So basically we opened this Karen interview with her coming out of jail, which we saw last week at the end of the finale, her coming out of jail and just wearing, you know, like a scarf on her head and looking traumatized from wearing acid washed jeans. And then in the car ride, she's like, what?

[Andy]

Roll down the window. Roll down the window.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he rolls it down with the GoPro on there.

[Andy]

It's like, hello, hello, purple panda pants. It's me, Karen. I'll see you at the Tally Ho, darling.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then rolled it back up and was like, I hope that was enough.

[Andy]

I hope that was enough for the throngs of fans who appeared to say hello to me. Karen, you got.

[Karen]

Roll it up, roll it up. Okay, roll it down, roll it down. Wait, no, no, no. I don't like this person. Roll it back up again. Okay, roll halfway, halfway. Cookies.

[Ben Mandelker]

There.

[Andy]

Cookie. Say cookie.

[Karen]

Cookie. Do we have a cookie for cookie?

[Ronnie]

No.

[Karen]

Okay, roll it up, roll it up. Oh, oh, wait, look. There's the man from the Tally Ho. He's got a waffle. Okay, roll it down just slightly so we can insert the waffle through. But I don't have to talk to him.

[Ben Mandelker]

I didn't realize how much I missed Karen's ever pursing lips until I saw them again. I mean, it's another character on that show. You know, we missed Karen this season. And we also missed the constant pursing. Mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm. Always got, like a little bit of hair in the front of her teeth or like, maybe something's coming out of her nose that she's like, mm, mm, mm. And a babe. Her Deep thoughts Lip purse. Love it.

[Ronnie]

Yes. It's classic.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's not really a purse, is it? A purse is like. What would you call this?

[Ronnie]

It's. It's like forever getting a piece of. Forever getting an herb out of your Teeth.

[Ben Mandelker]

Maybe like a lip swish.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, swish, swish.

[Ben Mandelker]

So the mouthwash in the front of your teeth.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it's like a posterior.

[Ben Mandelker]

I can't stop staring at myself making. Doing that.

[Ronnie]

You're like, I've missed it all season, so I have to. I have to make up for it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm gonna get an entire season of lip switches in here.

[Ronnie]

So Ray and Raven and Karen's sister Bridget are at the house waiting. And they're just all sitting there, you know, And Ray is like, well, I'm assuming she's just gonna open the door and Raven's like, make an entrance. I mean, she's not gonna ring the bell or nothing. I mean, I don't ring the bell.

[Karen]

To my own house. Right.

[Ronnie]

Imagine if Karen just came flying, flying through the window, like, well, that was a surprise. I mean, all our bets were on.

[Ben Mandelker]

You coming through the door, down the chimney like Santa Claus.

[Andy]

Ray, when did we put real wood in here? Ray, since when is it me?

[Ben Mandelker]

Do you feel like now that Raven has grown up, she's playing a child.

[Andy]

She's.

[Ben Mandelker]

She seems like. She seems kind of like an actress in a play playing a child. Like someone who's too old to be in the role.

[Andy]

And she's like, mommy, Mommy, I miss you.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's just got that energy of like a theater kid.

[Ronnie]

Like a Gabriella Carteris sort of thing. I think that's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Like, she was casting glee. But she's 30.

[Ronnie]

That's such a good call. Like, she's like a big bow in her hair. Like, yeah.

[Karen]

Ready for bedtime, Mommy.

[Andy]

I miss you so much, Mommy.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, so she's so funny. It's such a specific description and it's so accurate.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Because I just can't believe she's so grown up now. I was looking at pic, someone posted pictures of her, like, influencing or whatever, and I was like, when did she become a little lady? You know, I'm kind of like a young Ray doing influence work.

[Ronnie]

Well, housewife children always go through some weird time warp where we see them in one season going off to college and there's lots of cries and tears. And then the next season, it's like, well, now that they're graduated, I'm like, how did that happen? It's been nine months. But they somehow graduated college already. Somehow. But the timelines between, you know, when the show is shot, when it airs, etc, especially because, like, these shows don't always come back on the air an exact one year later. But in our mind, it's like well, it's been. It's been two seasons, but really three years have passed and they're just like, what? So now Raven is like 46 years old and it's like, wait a second.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but Raven. So they're happy. Oh, sorry, go ahead.

[Ronnie]

Yes. I was saying that she's complimenting Ray's little flowers that. That she got.

[Karen]

She goes, oh, my God, I love.

[Ronnie]

She's gonna love that.

[Karen]

Oh, and the balloons too. And oh, my God. Oh, you got the sign.

[Ronnie]

And she tells her aunt, like, yeah. You know, every holiday, dad prints out this fancy 2000s font. Every time, just a all caps aerial font with medium weight. I don't know why he loves that font, but he. I know we call him the black Bill Gates, but, like, he really is attached to those Microsoft Word fonts, isn't he, dad? Aren't you?

[Andy]

I faxed it.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's just like, well, well, Very.

[Ronnie]

The sign is actually two pieces of paper. The first is a cover sheet.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

One of two. You have to, like, scroll it. You have to peel it off to see the actual welcome home sign.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So he's done that, and he's done the husband gift of flowers, which means he did something wrong, you know, so that's interesting. And I mean, it's cute and everything, but he's basically like, oh, shit, Karen's home. I was surprised he was even here. People were like, what? How come he didn't go to the jail to pick Karen up? A, Karen probably didn't want that. She probably wanted a solo scene to wave at her fans. B, you're lucky he wasn't in Florida. I thought he'd be gone the second she was in. In jail. He would be in Florida.

[Ronnie]

Now, I don't know what the policies are of picking someone up at jail, but I know that jail has very strict rules about every single thing. And so I would not be surprised if the policy was that one person could pick you up out of the jailhouse.

[Karen]

And she's like, or I want that to be my stylist.

[Andy]

I choose blue eyes. I choose blue eyes.

[Ronnie]

Blue eyes. Actually, it was probably. There probably is a limitation of how many people it can be. So you needed someone there to mic her up. You need someone there to style her. That was it.

[Karen]

She was like, well, unfortunately, right? You are not gonna let me be TV ready, so you'll have to stay home and wait for me. I'll see you soon. Keep the window open.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So she has her hair in braids and she tells them that the girls in jail were so sweet to her, and they didn't want her to leave without hair, so they all took part of their own hair, their own extensions, and put it on her, which is so sweet. It's like community. I don't know. It's like. It's like a can drive. It's like a can drive, but hair. Be more just like anyone who likes Karen. Just leave some air in a box. We'll braid it onto her head.

[Ronnie]

Well, it's like when I see Chicago, I'm like, I know jails aren't really like that. But then when Karen tells that story, I'm like, are the jails like that? Were they all doing, like, the tango in there and being, like, giving you, like, he has a lock of hair. Lock of hair for your man. Like, I just imagine it was a part of a big musical number that just never made it into the actual.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's female jails.

[Andy]

Women.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, it's because it's women. Thank God. You know? Thank God for women. And people always wonder why gay guys only want to hang out with women. This is why. Okay.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is why. Because women know how to take care of each other. Look at all the women we've seen to go. Go to jail, not only on Bravo, but in the past decade. Look at. We've seen a lot, right? They come out happy. They all come out like, I have the. They have great stories. They've got friends. Martha Stewart had ponchos. Teresa learned yoga or some shit. I mean, they all know. They all have great stories. The guys come out not knowing when they're farting anymore and being traumatized.

[Andy]

That's how the.

[Ben Mandelker]

I want to go to girls.

[Ronnie]

Wealthy women. Look at all these wealthy women who come out happy from jail.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, that's true, but I mean, it's.

[Ronnie]

It's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I'm trying to think of someone not healthy.

[Ronnie]

No, I agree. I have to imagine. I have to imagine based on gross generalizations and stereotypes that, like, women in jail, like, there's. It's probably rough and tumble, but also, like, there's probably a level of nurturing that. That, you know, us manner. It's just for the man. It's gonna be like, butt. It's like, here, straight up. Before you leave, let's butt one more time.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, knock out your teeth to make my. To make my sex smoother. Just be done with it, you know? But, yeah, and women take care of each other. And. Yeah. Not to disregard the privilege that goes into that, obviously, but, yeah, well, but.

[Ronnie]

I mean, Carol's actually not. She was not at Camp Cupcake or anything like that. Like, she was doing real.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she was in Canada.

[Ronnie]

But I do agree. I think. I mean, let's. Let's be honest. Women are better than men at all times, right? Like, we acknowledge that. Right? We acknowledge and we understand it and we accept it.

[Karen]

But Karen's like, yes, they put the braids in.

[Ronnie]

It's like.

[Karen]

It's just so beautiful. It's so beautiful. Now give me a. Give me about 35 minutes while I go tear these things out.

[Ronnie]

Karen trying so hard to. To. To. To say how beautiful it is while in her mind, she's like, I have.

[Karen]

Other women's hair in my head right now. Please let me erase this experience. I am ready to put an end to it. Thank you.

[Andy]

I'm going to go soak and disinfectant. I'll be back.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she goes up and soaks and then. Oh, and she's telling Ray.

[Andy]

Oh, Ray, we finally got to date again in prison, just me and Ray.

[Ben Mandelker]

Which, I don't know. I think she's got, like, the Lisa Barlow amount that she listens to Rhea, where this, like, forced her to not be on a phone or, you know, scrolling or, you know, drunk and had to, like, just sit there and, like, stare at Rhea across the glass, you know?

[Ronnie]

And Ray's like, well, you look great. I'm. Welcome home. By the way. We got you a little balloon and some flowers. Oh, thanks, Ray. For the little balloon, could you maybe have gotten, like, a lobster? I mean, at least something. We know she likes legal seafood. At least get some, like, clams or something. Like, I think you could do more than a little balloon, Ray.

[Ben Mandelker]

I felt like. I felt so, too. I thought it was kind of a lame gift. I mean, you know, it's not like you're supposed to be rewarded coming out of jail, but I mean, something, you know, I mean, you get your teeth pulled and you get a fucking Frosty. At least I mean, something.

[Ronnie]

Get a big balloon. Something.

[Andy]

It's time for a commercial.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's time for a crappin's commercial.

[Ronnie]

Raven's like, mom, before I do my.

[Karen]

Social studies homework, I want to point out that dad printed out his font. You know his favorite font, that one.

[Ronnie]

Did they just show the thing again?

[Karen]

It's like, welcome home, all caps, aerial font.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Andy]

And she's like, well, Ray still has inkjet.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's good to know.

[Andy]

Ray.

[Karen]

Wow.

[Andy]

Me and Ray painting again. Me and Ray. It was fun watching you try to Do Morse code on the window. I remember just having to say, ray, it's a phone and it's a cellophone. Well, I hadn't seen one like that in so long. What do you mean? We still have one like that in our kitchen.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ray deported. I just remember season one ragging on everything in Karen and Ray's house because it was all the old fashioned version, like the fax machines and the. What was the other thing?

[Ronnie]

It was like corded phones.

[Ben Mandelker]

Cordless.

[Ronnie]

It was everything in laserdisc player. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

But okay, so Andy comes over, which is big for Andy to come all the way to Pomac and drive, you know? Yeah. So he can't. He comes and he doesn't look thrilled.

[Andy]

He's like, hey, Karen, I have children, so let's get this over with.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So he walks in and he says hi to everyone's like, ray, how are you?

[Karen]

Wow. Let me lay eyes on my friends.

[Ronnie]

So Karen makes her. Like, she's all that entrance down the staircase. Like, I was expecting to hear the Kiss me. Like, she doesn't have the sunglasses. She doesn't have the glasses anymore. In the braids. She's like pretty and so. Sorry. That's not to say that braids make you unpretty. I'm just saying, like, yeah, what the hell? I know, I know. That sounded so wrong. I apologize. But she's all glammed up and everything. She comes down, Andy's like, whoa.

[Karen]

Wow. Good to see you're home. You are home right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Karen]

This is your home.

[Ronnie]

Right? Are you ready?

[Karen]

Preventing it? Well, don't make me cry, Andy. Don't make me cry. Did my face feel a little bit okay? Just all the ladies of the jail gave me one eyelash and I've stuck them into my eyes right now. So when you look at me, you're looking at a sisterhood.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sisterhood.

[Andy]

Eyelashes. Andy, have a seat. I've set it all up for us before.

[Ronnie]

They go in the living room though, they go in the dining room and Karen's son is there. And Karen's son is like a good looking guy. And Andy's like, hey, whoa.

[Karen]

Who is that? Whoa. Why have you been hiding from our cameras?

[Ronnie]

Whoa.

[Karen]

Get over here. So was it like when your mom was gone?

[Ronnie]

Huh? Huh?

[Karen]

Did you have to do a lot of push ups? Hey, how's you been working out a lot. Let's see your progress. Okay. You want to take off that shirt right now? Okay. All right. Well, it looks like our time is done here, Karen. Great interview.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Andy]

Karen, Left for county jail, and she came back to boner town.

[Ronnie]

Wow. Yeah. He was just like. Andy could not stop staring at Karen's son. It was so funny.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So he's there, and Andy's like, why do you want to be on tv? He's like, because you ruined lives. Thanks. Thanks for asking. Would you like. Would you. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't have anything to offer you. Would you like to eat this piece of paper with 2020 font on it? Please make yourself out. So we get started with this interview. I mean, I think for the most part, without getting too granular, I didn really know what to expect. And by that, I mean, of course I knew exactly what to expect. She gave a little bit more than I thought she would. I figured Karen would just show up with zero accountability at all. You can tell she's been told, like, karen, you gotta take some accountability. There's no escaping this. And she's very much like, here I am.

[Andy]

Me, Karen Huga, ready to take accountability.

[Ben Mandelker]

Whatever this.

[Andy]

Okay, fine.

[Ben Mandelker]

Let's do this.

[Andy]

Am I an alcoholic? Of course not. Of course I'm not an alcoholic. I have a disease called addiction to pills that are prescribed only by a doctor for happiness, Andy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because, you know, I've gone through trauma.

[Andy]

I've gone through trauma, Andy.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it was.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's a bad start.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I. I was okay with it. Like, I thought that she was fairly accountable. I mean, look, we've seen Karen on. On the air for, like, 10 years, and this is a woman who's never been even close to accountable for anything she's ever done. Right. It's always a very slippery answer for everything. So she was, I think, being pretty upfront and acknowledging things that, like, in her last season, she was literally not even able to address without having some sort of meltdown. So the fact.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, what I mean is that she. You know, the way that she worded it, you know, and the way. The way that she worded, like, it's not really alcoholism. I don't call it that. I call it, you know, she's trying to say it's like the pills, which were Prozac and stuff like that they were antidepressants, which can. You know, I did my. Some research on it. People can abuse those, but generally they don't. I mean, generally you abuse. You abuse alcohol and. And drugs. I mean, prescription drugs, sure, but not like Prozac type things, but it has been done. But the fact that she's like, holding onto that because she doesn't want to say she's an alcoholic. And I kind of understand that. You know, it's kind of the Shannon Beador thing of not really wanting to say you're an alcoholic because you are in a world where everybody's drinking. And once you say you're an alcoholic, that's it. I mean, you're. Unless you're Craig Conover. Right. Which case, you can do whatever you want, but generally you say you're an alcoholic and that's it. So I was a little worried at the beginning of this that she was going to start skirting around and using language that not only kind of gives her an excuse because she's like, well, I had to take the antidepressants because my parents died and I had to take the, you know, and then I had to take the anti. She's using, like, real stuff and kind of still using that as an excuse, in other words, is what it kind of sounded like at first.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I didn't really. I have to say, it didn't really bother me. I didn't even mind that she didn't want to say that she was an alcoholic because I do actually think that when you're a public figure on these shows, you have to, like, give yourself some wiggle room in case. In case, like, you do, like, go the Luan route, which is like, yes, I had a problem with alcohol. I've figured out how to drink, you know, in. In moderation without, like, being a danger, etc. And so she doesn't want to close off any avenues. But also, like, Karen is the master of, like, the rebrand. She won't even call herself 60. It's her. It's her triple 20, you know, like, it's almost like I would expect nothing less of Karen huger than to come up with, like, I'm not an alcoholic.

[Karen]

I'm just someone who deals with alcohol.

[Ronnie]

And likes to lick things. So I'm an alcohol licker, but not an alcohol. It, you know, it's like, it's like that kind of thing. Like, I expect that from her. So. And I don't know, to me, you know, based on the trauma in her life, it's. It's serious trauma. So it, like, to me, it makes sense if, like, her storyline to me, or how she described how she got to where she was from point A to point B, from when she was 19 to now, you know, makes sense to me and I understand it. And it seems like she was being. For me, I felt very satisfied not that it's up to me to be satisfied or not satisfied with her explanation of how she got to this point.

[Andy]

Mm.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. So she starts going on about, basically it's a lot of questions about alcoholism and stuff like that. She does say that Andy plays her clips of the girls at the reunion. Ashley being like, well, I was on the train here. I forget how ham fist or how ham handed Ashley is with. With her housewifery. But when she's like, well, I was.

[Andy]

On a train coming up here, Andy, and let me tell you, I sat by this guy and we talked about me being on the show. And then he said, oh, I know that woman. She used to get drunk at this legal seafood every day. And I would wait on her.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, wow, what a coincidence that Ashley just happened to be on a train with this guy. He remembers Karen from, you know, 40 years ago or whatever. And so Karen confirms it. Karen confirms it. She says, Ashley is correct. You know, I was drunk all the time at the legal seafood, but it was 20 years ago. Yeah, Yeah, I love that gossipy waiter just holding onto that on a train. Like, he just remembered it 20 years later. Like, oh, yeah, I remember her.

[Ronnie]

Just such a funny place to. To just get drunk at every day. Like, legal seafood. What a delicious. What a delicious manifestation of your struggles is that you're like, well, I get drunk every day, but I also have a wonderful bowl of clams.

[Ben Mandelker]

I get illegally drunk at the legal seafood.

[Ronnie]

Also, like how Andy's just, like, holding up this laptop. He's like, you know, it's still so messy as always. And then I don't know if anyone else felt this way, but when he was done showing the clips, he liked put the laptop on the ground by his chair and, like, it was there for, like, several cutaway shots. I was like, is someone going to strike this laptop? When are we going to get rid of this laptop?

[Ben Mandelker]

And then.

[Ronnie]

And then he showed some more clips, and then someone took it away. But I was honestly a bit distracted by the laptop on the floor.

[Ben Mandelker]

There was some talk about the body cam footage, which became viral when Karen was arrested, because this was when she was like, I'm not drinking. And there's kind of saying that there's someone else. Like, I wasn't even driving. And they're like, what? Well, if you weren't driving? And then they actually brings that up, you know? Well, she said, I heard someone else was in the car. And Karen insists that nobody else was in the car. This footage was cray cray. We talked about it. When it first came out, it was nuts. I mean, I'm Thomas.

[Andy]

Do you know who I am? Thomas Jefferson's concubine.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, just completely, completely unhinged. Unhinged. Now where it got crazier, you know, because we've all seen that, I'm sure. But she's like, well, I didn't even watch that film.

[Andy]

And I didn't allow Ray to watch it. And listen, trust me, Ray does what I tell him. He's wanted to see Moana for years. I won't let him do it. She's just so cute. But, you know, I didn't have input.

[Ben Mandelker]

From my husband, and I didn't know.

[Andy]

I couldn't relate to what my lawyers were telling me because I just knew.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was in a video that went.

[Andy]

Viral and I said, let's just look at the positive voice. So that's why I didn't take the plea deal.

[Ben Mandelker]

Which is crazy.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I don't know that I believe that. I mean, really, no one watched that. Karen. Everybody watched that video. I'm sorry. I believe for one second that Karen did not watch it and that Ray did not watch it and that the lawyers didn't make them watch it. And the lawyers. Even if she didn't watch it, the lawyers didn't say, yeah, you called yourself Thomas Jefferson's concubine and literally said, I'm lit as you got out of the car. You need to take a plea deal.

[Ronnie]

Someone told her, I, I fully believe that she did not watch it. I don't think Karen, like Karen facing reality has never been one of her strong suits. She has never been able to, you know, really, really see herself in the mirror, it seems. I mean, she always has some sort of, you know, slippery story about why X, Y and Z happens. So I fully can understand, and I fully believe that she would not have seen. I think if she had seen that video, I think she would have acted very differently on, on the last season. But I think she was just like, whatever. It's. I, I don't want to see myself drunk. I know I was drunk. What do I have to see? You know, I'll just fight this. And. But I do believe her lawyers watched it. And I bet, of course, banging their head against the wall. I mean.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And look, I'll. I, I, you know, disagree. But I will agree with you on one thing, and that is the Karen delusion. I think she watched it because there's no way that Karen is not going to watch herself on a viral video. Sorry. There's Just no way that she's going to be like, I'm getting millions of views and I'm all over the news. I'm not going to watch myself. I don't believe it. But I think that she probably did watch it and was like, what's so bad? Whatever. That's not so bad. You know, I'm like, I look great.

[Andy]

That was fantastic.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was funny. It went viral. I'm a star. They'll never. There's no way with everything going on in the world, there's worse things happening. This was nothing. I'll get off. So I do think. I mean, I do agree with the delusion. I just. I just have a hard time believing that she.

[Ronnie]

You think that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Who knows the truth? We're not there.

[Ronnie]

You think? So basically, where we stand is that you feel like her narcissism was strong enough that she, of course, watched the video. And I felt like her delusion outranked her narcissism, where she couldn't even still watch it. So that's basically.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I think, Yeah, I think her narcissism made her watch it, but her delusion made her think that it was gonna be okay. Because, like, think about it. These ladies are sloppy all the time, you know, on these shows, and they're shocked when. I mean, Dorinda was shocked when she was, you know, exorcised from Real Housewives in New York for being so vilely bitter and drunk. It's like, you guys have been praising me for years for being bitter and drunk, and now you're going to kick me off for, like, how does this make any sense? And it's because it just went too far. And I think that there's a. There's a disconnect there. It's like, well, you. This has always been entertaining to people, and now it's too much like, what the hell? Yeah.

[Ronnie]

She also talks about how her relationship with Rey is, you know, constant work in progress, AKA not good. And he had told her at one point, like, look, as you work on yourself, if you realize that you need to leave me, and that's. That's okay. I. I give you my blessing. Just give me a heads up because tickets are to Florida are really expensive, and then the sooner I can get ahead of that, more months in advance.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know.

[Ronnie]

Before I can move to Florida, just. Just let me know, Karen. Okay. But if you want to leave, it's okay. It's okay. You can leave. And she says that the day that she was drinking, it's, you know, she Was just trying to get away. Because she says that, like, we were going through it.

[Karen]

I was unhappy. The kids were gone. The house was a tomb. Just dead fax machines everywhere. Very sad. Needed to get away. Need a drinky boo. Can't think of all those old technologies that just clutter our living room.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. She talks about how 20 years ago, you know, her kids felt that there was a problem, and she got her first dui, and she goes through everything that she was having trouble with and that she went to the doctor, and her kids thought she had a problem, but the doctor was like, oh, no, you're fine. Here, just take these pills. And she won't name the pills. Cause she doesn't want to get sued.

[Andy]

By big pharma.

[Ben Mandelker]

But she says it was an antidepressant. And he's just like, you can't say what it was? Nope. Ben says, nope, can't say. Do you have any right now? They sound great.

[Andy]

Do you have any in your purse still?

[Ben Mandelker]

So he's like, you know, when you said at the time you were under the influence, how did that manifest itself? Like, how much were you drinking? And she's like, oh, well, it's not.

[Andy]

So much that I was drinking, Andy. It was the pills. It was the pills that the doctor gave me.

[Ben Mandelker]

So there's, like, a hint of skirting here still. And he's like, well, you're saying that, you know, you're talking about alcoholism, but you're also saying that the drink wasn't calling you.

[Andy]

And she's like, well, it didn't call me that night.

[Ben Mandelker]

What I'm saying is I was running from home. So she talks about all that stuff, as you said, and then he says, well, you did it four times. I mean, this was your fourth dui.

[Andy]

And she's like, well, let's talk about that. Why drink? I drank in the past, and I drove, and I. I had a dui. Two DUI is not four. Okay? Let's be clear. Very, very clear. Two of the times I was drinking and driving, and two of the times I had a drinking and driving under the influence. Very different. And they're very, very different.

[Karen]

2D wise and 2D W is very different letters. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was wondering if that's what she meant, because it used to be dwi, right? And then they changed it to dui. So I'm wondering if. If she was just using that as.

[Andy]

Being like, no, there were no two DUIs.

[Ben Mandelker]

There are two DUIs and 2D DWIs.

[Ronnie]

No. What you.

[Karen]

Here's the thing, there's two DUIs, but unfortunately, I was so dyed that the.

[Ronnie]

2D wise look like 4D wise, but it's really just two. But.

[Andy]

I was just so drunk that.

[Ben Mandelker]

I saw two was four.

[Ronnie]

But yeah, she basically. She says that. Yeah, like she, she, she. It sounds like what she's. She's. Andy clocks her a bit for saying she's constantly talking about going to N A and pills, whatever. He's like, it doesn't seem like you're really talking about the alcoholism very much or having a trouble, a struggle with. With Al alcohol. And she's saying, no, I do, I do, I do. But N A is really like, where I'm focusing. And it was the pills that really did it. She's really kind of emphasizing the pills more than the booze, which in my mind, the way I read it is like, if you see me drinking on future seasons, don't come at me, okay? Because it was the pills that was the issue.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's what I think she's trying to do. And it took her pretty much the whole hour to get to the. Okay, well, fine. It's a lifelong problem with alcohol. It's a disease, and I'll never drink again. Like, it really took her a long time to get to that point because she was trying to skirt, you know, all of this and be like, no, no, NA is my thing. NA is my thing, not aa. And so she was like, you know, I just wanted to go in there and lead the classes. And she said, I actually led the NA class and the AA class.

[Andy]

And he's like, oh, forgive me, but you're in there for a dui.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, like, why the fuck would you be leading the class, basically? And she was like, well, you know.

[Andy]

Because before I was sentenced, I got the treatment, and, you know, I'm a quick learner. So I just took that and I took it, and I helped the children. I helped the children in jail, Andy.

[Karen]

And I taught them about Potomac etiquette as well. You know, as long as I was there, why not?

[Ben Mandelker]

It is difficult to believe a thing that Karen says. I'm sorry, what? You were leading. What? Come on.

[Karen]

Well, tell me about your first night in jail. That's got to been pretty scary.

[Ronnie]

Before you learned, you could teach classes about things you nominally knew about.

[Karen]

Yes. Well, Andy, it was very scary. I had a metal toilet, and I didn't. Was thinking to myself, how many people have sat on this thing? So there were young women who were going through menstruation, and I said, oh, I'M going through menstruation issues. Please, please help me.

[Ronnie]

And they basically gave her, like, maxi pads or something. And she lined her toilet with maxi pads, and that's how she made her little throne.

[Ben Mandelker]

She said she would take like eight, eight or nine maxi pads to line. To line the toilet with. How clogged up was that toilet? You know, there's not strong flushers in jail. I wonder how many times she clogged up that toilet. I know.

[Ronnie]

I mean, also, like, she have to, like, it's a lot of maxi pads you have to go through to. To keep that fresh. Keep that throne fresh.

[Karen]

And he was like, let's talk about your homecoming a little bit.

[Ronnie]

There's a lot of talk about your.

[Karen]

Outfit that you wore when you were.

[Ronnie]

Released, because this is what matters the most. How did you look?

[Karen]

So how did you decide what you were gonna wear? Did Ray bring that to you? Did Raven bring it to you?

[Ronnie]

Who brought that?

[Karen]

Did a deer bring it to you? What's going on with that? Let me be very clear. I had diagonals on. I was in a jumpsuit. You did? Oh, my God.

[Ronnie]

Yes.

[Karen]

It was beige. And I may not wear beige for a good while now. I'm traumatized by beige.

[Andy]

He's like, you're in beige right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

And sure enough, she is wearing a beige outfit.

[Andy]

She goes, no, this is not beige. This is blush. Please, I will never wear beige again.

[Karen]

But it was a cute jumpsuit. But, you know, Tatiana came by and she brought me clothes, large jeans and a little do rag, and I skedaddled on. And he's like, okay, well, so what do you miss the most about prison? Let's see. Well. Oh, I'm sorry. The one that I missed the most while I was in prison. Is that what you meant to ask Andy? Yes, I did.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sure. I'm sure he's like, tell me, what.

[Andy]

Was the best part of prison?

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And she's like, well, I miss holding Raven's hand. I took a picture of Raven's hand and all that. And, you know, she stripped down. She saw. She saw gray.

[Karen]

She's like, you may see me with white hair soon.

[Ronnie]

I'm like, karen, I hate to break it to you, but you did do the platinum blonde wig thing for a whole season. So she's like, you'll see my hair.

[Karen]

In a color you've never seen before. White.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so she talks about seeing her hair, her hair gray and stuff like that. And she was basically, where was the. I don't know where it is. In here. It's a lot of interview. But there was one point where. Hold on. What was I gonna say? It was very important. It was very important. And I'm losing it because I'm seeing all these. No, you go talk about the breakfast.

[Ronnie]

No, I was just. I wasn't sure. I just was throwing that out there because she had to wake up at 4:30 and have breakfast at 5 and then in bed by 9. Etc. Just sounds awful to me. She. They served her crab meat and chicken.

[Karen]

But she wouldn't eat the dirty bird, just the crab meat.

[Ronnie]

I was like, they serve crab in jail.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. I thought that too. I was like, wait a minute.

[Andy]

She's like, it was terrible. Crab, lobster, beignets, eggs Benedict. I mean, Andy, terrible.

[Ben Mandelker]

Damn. I was gonna. I remembered it and then I forgot.

[Ronnie]

To talk about alcoholism. It's about Raven.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh. It was about when Abby was like, so, wasn't it rough? Were you in gen pop?

[Andy]

And she's like, oh, well, let me tell you. They were trying their best to give me celebrity treatment, Andy. They wanted to put me in the tower, the highest tower where the celebrities go in county. And I said, no, I will go to general population. I insist on going to general population.

[Ben Mandelker]

To help the youth. It's like, okay, okay. So you requested to be in general population, I'm sure. And then she told. She was telling the girls because she was trying to help the younger girls in there. And she was saying things like, it's me, Karen. Hooga.

[Andy]

Now, listen, it took me three decades.

[Ben Mandelker]

To get to this point.

[Andy]

What are you doing here? 20.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was like, I don't know that that's coming off the same way, you know.

[Karen]

You know, I'm like a five wick candle. They're a single wick. And I said, you gotta earn. You gotta earn wicks to lose wicks. You know what I'm saying? And they would just look at me in the face and they said, are you still drunk somehow? And I said, yes, I am drunk off of crab booze. I've got a crab moonshine operation going on. Just put that crab meat through the maxi pad and see what comes out and fermented. And next thing you know, you got that hooch.

[Andy]

I learned how to make moonshine, Andy. That's correct. Out of maxi pads and gumption.

[Karen]

All right, I think that might signal that we are done here. Can your hot zone come out one last time?

[Ronnie]

No.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Andy]

I've got dollar bills in my hand.

[Ben Mandelker]

Get over here.

[Ronnie]

But yeah, it's basically, you know, she she is ready to go to the reunion. She's ready to face questions.

[Ben Mandelker]

And there's some drama with Wendy because, you know, Andy was saying, well, you know, Wendy was upset that you didn't say anything to her. You didn't thank her in your speech at the reunion where you thanked literally everybody, even the craft services people, you know, you thanked everybody except Wendy.

[Andy]

And she said, wendy knows why I didn't thank her. That's a conversation for me and Wendy.

[Karen]

Yes, that's right. She knows what she did. I forgive you when I want to forget you. I'm on the hills now.

[Ronnie]

So, yeah, that was it.

[Karen]

It was.

[Ronnie]

It was. It was an interesting hour and excited for Karen to come back. And it'll be so interesting to see how Karen now steps into this cast after this past season of dynamics and shifting. But it'll be great.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so.

[Ronnie]

And I'm sure she'll have some words.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's always the thing on these shows when people stop drinking. It's like, oh, you know, what's this version gonna be like? Because it is a different version. And I don't think Karen was really known as being like, a drunk. Like, I don't think her reputation on the show is like, oh, there's drunk Karen. You know, so it probably won't be that different.

[Ronnie]

But that was definitely there.

[Ben Mandelker]

For sure, it was there. That was an element going into. Going into life sober. Like, to anybody who's ever done it, you know, God bless you. I go into life semi sober. Like, I stopped a lot. I stopped drugs, so that was good. And then I stopped drinking for the most part. Like, I'll still have a drink every once in a while, but I'm not, like, getting hammered all the time like I was. And thank God I was able to do that. But it's very different. You know, you walk into your life, your friends don't really know how to deal with you. Everyone takes it very personally if you don't have a drink when you're out with friends and they're like, why aren't you drinking?

[Andy]

Why are you in alcohol?

[Ben Mandelker]

What's the problem? It's still an issue to this day, and it's. It's hard. It's going to be a rough road to hoe. So I'm interested to see how she handles all that.

[Karen]

Yes, Commercials.

[Ronnie]

Here comes one right now. So with that being said, let's. Let's. Let's shift on down the. The schedule into marriage medicine, where. I don't know if you read the news today, Ronnie but we have some tragic, tragic developments in the world of marriage and medicine. Did you hear about this?

[Ben Mandelker]

No. What happened?

[Ronnie]

Quad and King, they are done.

[Ben Mandelker]

They are no way up. Oh, wow.

[Ronnie]

They're broken up. It was confirmed when he wrote on someone's Instagram. Yep, I left that situation. So, yeah, another one bites the dust. Sorry, King.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. I liked him. Okay, I. He did. He did show a lot of red flags. But, you know, I can't say I'm terribly broken up about that one. Although I do like seeing Quad happy.

[Ronnie]

But was she.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Makes me sad for Quad, but makes me happy. Because I think we both knew on some level that King was not the one for her. So that was the big goss that dropped today. But for marriage medicine, though, we are still in the Florida Panhandle at Miramar beach for the girls trip. And Heavenly has arrived with everyone. And Simone is, of course, very upset that Heavenly is there. So Jackie sits down with Simone and says, simone, can I validate your feelings? I'm like, are we in a parking garage? Are you trying to. Are you trying to insert her feelings into a machine and pay 250?

[Ben Mandelker]

Now, you don't have to get your feelings validated, but if you bring them to me at a later date, it will cost you $20, which is the full, full day maximum.

[Ronnie]

I'm just concerned because you have been here for more than four hours, and it will start to add up.

[Ben Mandelker]

Now, tell me, did your feelings buy anything in the gift shop?

[Andy]

Anything at all?

[Ben Mandelker]

Bottle of water?

[Karen]

I did buy something at the snack bar.

[Ronnie]

Oh, well, unfortunately, only the gift shop validates, so I cannot validate your feelings right now.

[Andy]

I do not need validation for my feelings.

[Ben Mandelker]

She goes, I understand. I understand, Simone. And she's like, just say what you want, Jackie. And she's like, well, I understand, but, you know, I just want you to hear me right now.

[Andy]

I want you to hear what my.

[Ben Mandelker]

Glasses are saying to you. And that is. Do you understand?

[Ronnie]

I think so. I think what I've heard from your glasses is that at first, you're going to be the most amazing friend, but if I stick around too long, you're only going to be kind of okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

And.

[Karen]

Think about it, Jackie. Think about it. A commentary on your song and what it's related to.

[Ronnie]

I get it. I'd like you to hold space for.

[Ben Mandelker]

The lyrics of Defying Gravity. Thank you. Now, I do want you in Heavenly to hear each other so that you can find out the why. Because I have chosen not to talk to Heavenly about it either. Because I want to hear it. You know what? I want to hear the why. The why. Then Contessa's like, oh, my God.

[Andy]

What in the heavenly times is going on here? I called you Heavenly. And she's like, what's going on?

[Ben Mandelker]

You didn't even know it was my man's birthday. You didn't even know.

[Karen]

How could you not know his daddy's birthday? It's on everybody's calendar.

[Ben Mandelker]

It didn't pop up on your calendar. Come on, girl.

[Karen]

It was my man's birthday night. Everyone knows that. Daddy's birthday. Daddy's birthday. Happy birthday to Daddy. It was Daddy's birthday. That's what I had to do.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Contessa's like, wow, Simone is not happy about her being here. I mean, what am I supposed to.

[Andy]

Do as a host?

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna buy balloons and then hand everybody really sharp things and have them diss each other and then explode balloons in each other's faces. Surely this will calm everybody down.

[Ronnie]

That'll be great. So Heavenly is like, I just felt.

[Karen]

Like I needed a break or a breather because there's a lot going on in Angel's body. And just like, it's like, a lot.

[Ronnie]

Like, well, are you here? Are you just popping in? It's like, so Jackie's like, there is nothing right about it. But I still think the both of you who have been friends on and off need to at least hear the other person.

[Karen]

Well, it's just hard to hear.

[Ronnie]

It's not hard. You can do it. Do it for good.

[Karen]

Jackie, I will not acknowledge the second part of that franchise.

[Ben Mandelker]

But the giraffes can talk.

[Ronnie]

Just pretend Heavenly is a giraffe.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just pretend Heavenly is a giraffe. Talk to her. Talk to her deeply. And Jackie's like, well, what I'm not going to do is say, simone, you're right. Heavenly, right. You know, somebody is going to have an opinion, you know, And Heavenly is obnoxious, but I know her heart.

[Andy]

And Simone's like, oh, my God, I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, if I talk to her.

[Andy]

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