#3197 Married To Medicine S12E09 + Karen Huger Interview: MiraMarred Intentions and Huger Hubris Part Two

Summary

Watch What Crappens #3197: Married To Medicine S12E09 + Karen Huger Interview: “MiraMarred Intentions and Huger Hubris Part Two”
Release Date: February 2, 2026
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

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Episode Overview

This episode of Watch What Crappens continues the deep-dive, laugh-out-loud recap of Married to Medicine Season 12, Episode 9. Ben and Ronnie revel in the ongoing feud between Heavenly and Simone, comedic family sidebars, the group's eventful Miramar trip, Contessa’s hyper-hostess energy, and, as always, a healthy dose of Bravo-level pettiness. They also touch on the unique drama and memorable moments from the latest episode, all in their signature, irreverent style. (Karen Huger’s segment noted in the episode title is not discussed in the provided transcript.)

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Key Discussion Points

1. Heavenly vs. Simone: Rehashing the 'Push'

• The longstanding tension between Heavenly and Simone takes center stage. Debate erupts around whether Simone pushed Heavenly during a group photo, with each woman staunchly defending her perspective.

  • Heavenly’s Perspective (04:05):
    “You may call it a push, but, like, the energy was evil. For lack of a better record, evil.”
  • Simone’s Perspective (15:29):
    “You touched me, and then I very gingerly took your hand and said, please do not touch.”

• The hosts clarify what really happened based on the show's footage. Ben notes:
  “No, it didn’t really happen. Simone removed Heavenly’s hand from her shoulder and walked away.” (03:18)

• The group revisits this drama at dinner, with tempers flaring and the hosts mock-pleading for the producers to roll the footage at the table.

  • “I think they sort of are looking at the producers to be like, you'll bring out the footage now so we can watch it at the table. Right? No one does anything. So. But, of course, the producers show us the clip.” (16:00)

2. The Miramar House: Dolphin Smell, Gnats, and Hostess Games

• The women settle into the (gnat-infested) Miramar house, still covered in “dolphin juice” from their earlier excursion.

  • Ben jokes: “Nats love dolphin. They're like, oh, yeah. This is why I moved to Miramar for that sweet dolphin access.” (01:52)

• Contessa, on hostess overdrive, organizes non-stop games and surveys:

  • “Contessa literally does rounds here. She’s like, comes by to everyone's room on her laptop and is like, what could I be doing better as a host? … This is a bit much for a vacation … I do not want to have to answer a questionnaire about my experience on this stupid Airbnb Dolphin Miramar beach situation.” (29:25)

• The “balloon game” (26:23): Each guest pops a balloon if a description fits them, resulting in lighthearted shade and plenty of laughs—contrasted with how another franchise might handle such petty drama.

  • “If this were Beverly Hills, it would be like, I just don't understand why she would do that … But here … they just keep on laughing.” (27:47–28:02)

3. Checking in with the Men: Rug Tufting & Parental Moments

• While the women clash, the men take center stage for a refreshingly wholesome “rug tufting” (or possibly placemat-making) activity.

  • “I feel like everything we know about Eugene and the boys is that they’re all adorable nerds in the best way … And so it was funny that they just decided to do this analog crafting experience while Toya’s out of town.” (06:35)
  • This leads to a tangent on “tufting,” date nights, and the fate of homemade rugs (08:28–09:19).

• Cecil tries (slightly tipsily) to teach his sons to appreciate their mom for her sacrifices:

  • Ronnie observes: “He seems drunk right now. Like, the last scene, it was in the daytime and he's like sitting in bed with a full, like, yard of beer in his hand.” (07:50)

4. The Infamous (and Uncomfortable) Wu Tang Chicken

• The dinner features a local chef serving “Wu Tang Chicken Wings” because “there’s so many ingredients, it’s like the whole clan.” The hosts cringe at the analogy—Ben: “I don’t know if I love this speech ... Can we not do this?” (10:49)
  • Ronnie: “You’re not hungry for clan chicken? … It also was like, that doesn't sound good to you?” (11:00)

5. The Big Emotional Exchange: Attempts at Reconciliation

• After a night of tension, Simone and Heavenly, encouraged by Jackie and the others, attempt a heart-to-heart. There’s real emotion as they discuss their underlying hurt, personal struggles, and repeated cycles of apology and mistrust.

  • Jackie, in full therapist mode (22:21):
    “You have to hear me. Are you willing to just say, as a friend, I hurt you? You don’t have to go back and say you hurt me. You know, in a relationship, somebody’s gon be the bad person. Wicked, if you will.”

  • Heavenly eventually apologizes (34:35):
    “Swear I was wrong. I did wrong, Simone. I... I was in a bad place and I did wrong and I’m sorry. And you gotta believe that when you say we’re not friends, that hurts my feelings ... I really do, Simone, I really do.”

  • Simone: “There's never been a fight that we have not been able to come back from … but when you drag me in some, I'm not with you.” (36:11)

• Afterward, Simone expresses continued distrust despite the apology:

  • “Year after year, like the apology, like, she can kiss that. Because it's like we could be cordial, we can have fun, but I have eyes on you. Because it's like it's always the same thing from her.” (36:11)

6. Toya’s Interruptions & Drinking Become Their Own Plotline

• Toya repeatedly inserts herself into the Heavenly-Simone drama, often derailing the conversation or escalating it.
  • Mimi: “I'm not devaluing what you're saying, Toya, even though I do think it is. Is incredibly stupid and minimal. But I'm not devaluing it because I'm just giving it its actual value, which is unnecessary.” (33:01)
• The hosts needle Toya about her drinking:
  • Ronnie: “Toria just. Guy out there, please. My God, she never shuts up. And she's getting shit faced again. Which they point out throughout the episode that Tori is just always drinking a Lot. And Tori's like, I could do whatever I want. It's my vacation.” (32:20)

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Notable Quotes & Comic Moments

• Ben, mocking Simone’s ultimatum:
  “If I'm gonna get out of this bed, what I'm not gonna do is sit in the presence of someone who is lying on me.” (05:05)

• Heavenly, on Simone, ramping up the melodrama:
  “You said, get your mother fucking hands off me. That’s what you did, Simone.” (15:50)

• Hosts riffing on rug tufting as a Bravo plot twist:
  “Tufting is the activity.” (08:28)

• Ronnie, on the repetitive nature of Bravo feuds:
  “The fact that they are on year nine ... having the same fight now for 10 years. And they’re... every time is like the first time. Like, oh, my God. Will Simone talk to Heavenly? Will Heavenly apologize to Simone?” (23:58)

• On Contessa's overzealous hosting:
  “All these delicate flowers are falling apart in Florida.” (24:31)

• Toya on interjecting:
  “I'm not interjecting. I'm asking a question while someone else is talking. That's not interjecting. That's toy ejecting. And that's allowed.” (18:20)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Heavenly-Simone Argument Recap & Picture Drama: 00:48–05:05, 13:56–16:55, 29:48–36:43
• Men's Crafting / Rug Tufting Segment: 05:18–09:26
• Chef Wu Tang Chicken Scene: 10:09–11:33
• Dinner Table Showdown (Heavenly/Simone): 13:56–19:55
• Contessa’s Balloon Game: 25:40–28:32
• Nighttime Emotional Reconciliation (Heavenly/Simone): 21:52–24:39, 33:44–36:43

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Tone & Style

True to Watch What Crappens, Ben and Ronnie’s playful irreverence, sharp observations, and comedic asides make for a recap that’s part roast, part empathy, and all Bravoholic fun. They call out absurdities, dissect body language, and lovingly mock the ever-repeating cycles of petty drama—all while keeping listeners laughing and thoroughly up to speed.

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For Listeners:
If you missed the episode, this recap covers all major plot points—from gnats and dolphin residue to “Wu Tang Chicken,” tufting rugs, and the long-running Simone-Heavenly grudge match—plus, all the best Bravo-level shade and heart.

Memorable Moment:
Ronnie, on the endless cycle of conflict:
“They’ve been having the same fight now for 10 years. And they’re, every time is like the first time.” (23:58)

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Transcript

[Host 1]

Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? When there's so much that happens? Hi, everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that. Let's get right back into the episode. The neighbors are gonna know I'm in town because she's saying how she gets mad. Her voice gets elevated. Well, I saw the county jail, and we don't want to go there because no one mourns the wicked. Am I right?

[Host 2]

So you got my bail money.

[Host 1]

And they. It's like a whole joke about how they always say that. And Simone explains that whenever they go somewhere, they always say, you have my bail money. It's hilarious. You had to be there, guys. So Jackie says.

[Host 3]

But the way Simone says it is like, yeah, we always promise that we'll bail each other out of jail. She's. Jackie doesn't need to be bailed out of jail. You're the one. So then we go back to Contessa, and she's like, okay, you need to pick a room. But they're all taken. And Heavenly's like, oh, I'll just sleep with quad in that balcony room. And so they talk about how they need to go take baths. And Mimi's like, because we still have dolphin on us. And dolphin cannot arrive with nighttime Mimi. I'm telling you that right now.

[Host 1]

Daytime dolphin does not work with nighttime Mimi. Okay? So they're like, okay, we're going to shower. There's also gnats everywhere.

[Host 3]

There's gnats. That's the. That's the other plot is someone brought gnats to the house. I think it was the dolphins. I mean, I think with the dolphins, too. I love a dolphin, but you know that dolphin smell. The gnats are just like, oh, I smell some dolphin. Let's go to that house. Because they're all still covered in dolphin juice.

[Host 1]

I guess you know that nats love dolphin. They're like, oh, yeah. This is why I moved to Miramar for that sweet dolphin access. So then Toya checks in with Simone, and Simone's like, it was good. It was really good. It was just peaceful.

[Host 2]

Those will talk to you.

[Host 1]

No. Did Heavenly speak to me? I can't understand what you're saying, Toya. You have to speak more clearly, Toya.

[Host 2]

Okay, I'm assuming you asked if Heavenly talked to me, and the answer is absolutely not.

[Host 3]

She's like, well, what the hell? Cause you just said you don't feel safe here, but you're standing in the house with the person you don't feel comfortable with. What's that about? Well, Toya, since when do people on these shows leave homes because they're uncomfortable? The whole show is built on uncomfortability. But Toya is really just anti Heavenly. She's just anti no matter what. And so she's mad that she's not staying in a. They're all mad that she's not staying in a hotel. And then Quad is in the room catching Heavenly up, and she's like, you were the topic of conversation last night. Now, did she push you or not? Because she said that she. She said that she did not push you. And she goes, well, she did this. Let me show you exactly what she did. And then she shows her that some. That Simone supposedly bumped her, like, body bumped her, and then, like, flew her hand at her, which did, like, flung the hands.

[Host 1]

No, it didn't really happen. Did not happen. Yeah. Simone removed her hand from Heavenly's hand from her shoulder and walked away. And, I mean, Simone was not happy. So maybe Heavenly took it as an aggressive moment, but it was. She just simply removed the hand.

[Host 4]

Heavenly's like, well, I took a picture, and she was like, this, get your motherfucking hand off me. And that's what she did. And even if I was upset, like, don't do all of that. But then I was uncalled for it. It was unnecessary, and I don't like it. Did she own any part of it?

[Host 1]

And I was like, well, what I want you to understand is campaign manager to candidate. She never said she never pushed you.

[Host 4]

Well, I'm telling you what happened. I mean, you may call the push, but, like, you call it whatever you want, but, like, the energy was evil. For the lack of a better record, evil. Simone, it was on the edge, but she was like, you know, I was just being a nice girl.

[Host 3]

And Quad's like, so can you guys be in the same room? And she's like, yeah, but don't, you know, do all of that. Whatever you want to call it. So Quad's like, well, this is definitely a different picture than how Simone explained it. They were all there. I don't understand how nobody saw any of this happen. This was a group scene and a group party, and they're all. I mean, look, Heavenly, they were taking a picture, right? They had just gotten into an argument. Then someone was like, oh, I want to take your picture. So Heavenly gathered to take the picture and came up and put her arm around Simone. Simone removed her arm and said, I don't want to talk to you. And then it became a screaming and yelling match between. Between the both of them. So, yeah, there was no. There was no abuse here. But everyone's pretending they didn't see it. So I guess they can just stay out of this fight because nobody wants to be in the middle of this.

[Host 1]

No. No, they don't. So Simone is with Toya in the room. She's. Simone's like on her laptop in bed and she's like, if I'm gonna get out of this bed, what I'm not gonna do is sit in the presence of someone who is lying on me.

[Host 2]

And Toyo's like, well, you, you know, you have to do it because you know, you know what Eugene says? He says Heavenly is perfect for the candidacy because all she does is lie.

[Host 1]

So now it's time to check in with the men because let's see what's happening. And so we.

[Host 3]

The real reason everybody watches this show, to see what Eugene thinks about life.

[Host 1]

Men loafing about. So we go to Steve first and he is watching his kids as they fight. And he's like, when she back. And then here's what I was amused by. We cut to Eugene and he's there with his kids and they're at some sort of crafting thing where they are like, they're doing something with thread with like these guns, the threading guns and easels. It's like a very crafty moment. And I thought it was so funny that like this is what Eugene and the boys were doing with toy out of the house. They're doing this like little wholesome threading activity that I don't know. Was it rug making? What were they doing? Ronnie? I was so amused by this.

[Host 3]

I have no idea because they were like ropes. You know, it looked like stapling, like some kind of staple thread. I mean, I don't know. I wanted to do it, I'll tell you. Were they like patterns that they bought and then they were going over these cars? Because one was pretty good. Like one was a car. Yeah. So I'm guessing there were pre made patterns and then the other one was just some kind of shape. I don't know. But I thought it was really funny.

[Host 1]

It just was like, because I feel like everything we know about Eugene and the boys is that there are all adorable nerds in the best way. Meaning that it seems like Eugene gets the boys together. They watch Marvel movies and they play video games together. And so it was funny that they just decided to do this analog crafting experience while Toyo's out of town. Like, guys, guess what? We're gonna. We're gonna make race cars out of rope, right? Get in the car.

[Host 3]

That's nice. You making your mom a rug? It says gather a. That's nice. She's gonna love that.

[Host 1]

Our note taker says it's a rug making place. I. I wasn't. I just wasn't sure. But they didn't look like rugs. But they like placemats or.

[Host 3]

I don't know.

[Host 1]

I'm gonna need some. I'm gonna need. Someone's gonna help. Someone please help. Please.

[Host 3]

I don't know. So he's like, guys, we need to have a very serious talk. You know, I work a lot and you guys need to learn things from me, and you're gonna learn everything from their mother. And they just laugh at him. And he's like, yeah, this is what you're learning from me. Rugs.

[Host 1]

Rugs.

[Host 3]

Glad I could be here.

[Host 1]

Sending rope into fabric via some sort of weird gun. And by that, the rope was like coming from the ceiling. It was like a whole thing. It was like a whole elaborate thing. I'm so intrigued.

[Host 3]

So then we go over to Cecil with his boys, and he's like, okay, I've been read the riot act by your mother. And so now I'm gonna have a father scene where I stand up for your mother. So he's like, guys, you know, you need to be nicer to your mother because she supports you. I think he's drunk. I'm just going to say right now he's slurring and I think he's drunk. Not that I really blame him, but I don't think we've ever seen a scene with Cecil without a drink in his hand this season. And he seems drunk right now. Like, the last scene, it was in the daytime and he's like sitting in bed with a full, like, yard of beer in his hand. So I think Cecil's just committing at this point.

[Host 1]

Yeah, I'm sorry, Ronnie. I figured it out. I think the place I went to was called Tuft House. And I just sent you a link. There's a place in Los Angeles where we can go do this. And it is. It is rug making. It's a technique called tufting. And apparently it's a thing. And you go in and you. You tuft. So there you go, everyone to anyone who's banging their head on the steering wheel. Tufting. Tufting is the. Is the activity.

[Host 3]

Oh, and there's even a link for date night. Guys, if you have found your mate, this is how to know date night.

[Host 1]

Will you join me?

[Host 3]

I broke him up. I broke up with him when he took me to Tufting on our first date.

[Host 1]

I feel like I am going to propose this to Dom. Like, Dom, do you want to. Dom will be like, we don't need a random homemade rug. Which is actually a fair point. What do you do with this thing once you make it some janky?

[Host 3]

I love a rug. I've got rugs everywhere. I'd love to make a rug. Although these don't look like the sturdiest rugs.

[Host 1]

They look beyond shitty.

[Host 3]

I don't know that I trust myself. So Cecil is giving a speech to the boys, and he's like, you guys need to appreciate your boys, right? Your mom, because she spends all this money and we want to retire. Like, has she ever told you that this is why she's stressed, because she wants us to retire? And they're like, no. Okay, well, glad we had this talk. Do you have any beers in your fridge? Then we go over to Mimi, checking in with Steve, and he's having a rough day with Stevie, and he didn't get. He. They moved too slow, so he didn't get to regular summer camp. So now he's stuck having daddy camp. And he's like, please kill me. This is making me crazy. I've got the kid at the office.

[Host 1]

Please, please come back. Come back soon. Anytime soon. And she's like, well, today I went swimming with dolphins. I wish you were there to join me. Would you have done that? He's like, no, no way. So then now it's time for the ladies to all sit down for dinner. And she contessa's like, chef, can you introduce yourself? And this guy comes out, he's like, hey, my name is Chef Christopher Holbrook. I've been chef of the year down here for the past 10 years. That's right. Miramar Beach's own celebrity chef, Chef Christopher Holbrook. Okay. I call these Wu Tang Chicken chicken wings because there's so many ingredients in these chicken wings. It's like I brought the whole clan.

[Host 4]

And put it in the bowl.

[Host 1]

I was like, I don't know if I love this. This speech right now. I know it's his bit, but I don't know. I don't know if I love some of the wording in it. I like, can we. Can we not do this.

[Host 3]

You're not hungry for clan chicken? No. It also was like, that doesn't sound good to you? No.

[Host 1]

I felt like this was inappropriate, but I think they all just sort of smiled and were like, okay, we see you're trying to make a joke here. You can move on.

[Host 3]

Yeah. Please go now. I'm sorry I asked your name. Because he didn't even. He wasn't even to go into the whole spiel. He was just like, hey, y', all, here's some. Here's some appetizers. She goes, could you just introduce yourself to everybody instead of just dropping off the food? And then he went into this monologue. So, Contessa, you did this. You did this. There was.

[Host 1]

And, like, you just look at this guy, and you're like this. I just am like, if the analogy is, I'm naming this after Wu Tang. And because there's so many ingredients, it's like, I've got a clan of ingredients. I mean, isn't there, like a. Could you be. I just feel like there's a. There's another pop culture metaphor out there that can sort of convey the same thing without just sounding so off. Just the strongest.

[Host 3]

Yeah. Also, are they spicy Wu Tang? I mean, I know they've got a lot of members, but I don't know. There were a lot of questions. There were a lot of questions.

[Host 1]

Is one of those. One of those wings old and dirty? That's what I want to know.

[Host 3]

It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Grappens commercial. So Quad's like, where are you from? Your accent is ridiculous. And he's like, well, I'm actually born in Atlanta. I was on the South. I'm a South side boy. You better watch out. I'm gonna get you, south side boy. You better watch it.

[Host 1]

Better watch your step. Okay, you can go now. You can go now, sir.

[Host 3]

You can go.

[Host 1]

You can go.

[Host 2]

You can.

[Host 1]

Thank you for the food.

[Host 3]

So they just brush that one off. And Quad's like, let's start with a prayer. Who wants to say grace? Simone, do you want to say a prayer? She says, no, not say a prayer.

[Host 2]

In Jesus name.

[Host 1]

And so, like, okay, thank you, Toya. That was really beautiful.

[Host 3]

Thank you for making this nourishment for our body and taking out all the impurities. You're literally drinking a martini right now. So they're talking about the house. Contesta's like, am I a good hostess? Do you guys like the house? And they're like, yeah, everything's nice and so they're not going to make small talk. So Contesta's like, okay, Heavenly, why didn't you get on the plane yesterday? Let's talk about it. And she's like, well, there was a lot going on, and I needed to get my headspace together. And I. It was not, you know, I just didn't want to come with the wrong energy. No.

[Host 1]

So is that. So it's not just that you don't want to be in the same plane as Simone says, Contessa, like, or the.

[Host 3]

Same house or the same tufting place. Go ahead, say it.

[Host 4]

I didn't want any negative energy. That's it. I just want a positive energy.

[Host 1]

Well, I expressed through the group that you didn't feel safe being around me.

[Host 4]

No, what I said was, I'm done. I'm not coming.

[Host 2]

Okay?

[Host 4]

And I said that you were very aggressive, and I think I used the word unhinged. I was like, a lot, and I didn't want to come with that energy. And I said, you pushed me. And that's a lot happened because you pushed me.

[Host 1]

You pushed me, Simone. You pushed me.

[Host 3]

She's like, I did not push you. She goes, well, I was touched. And she goes, yes, because you touched me and I took your hand. No, she said, you get your motherfucking hands off of me. She's like, no, I was there with movement. There was movement. No, I don't want to have an argument because I was there as well, and I felt the energy. And she's like, well, I didn't shove you. You put your arm. She goes, no, you did. Like this. And then she does, like, the swing of the arm again, and she goes, no, your arm wasn't there. It was around my neck, by the way. Well, you. You and I were there. You and I were there. She goes, and I took it, and I said, get your hands off of me. And so, you know, Simone is making it sound a lot, maybe, like, very, like, ginger. But either way, Heavenly's full of. Do you think Heavenly is just flat out lying, or do you think Heavenly remembers it as being more dramatic?

[Host 1]

I think she just remembers it incorrectly. I don't think she's lying. I think that. Well, she is lying, but I don't think that she's intentionally lying. I think that. I think that in her mind, based on the stuff in her life, like, that. I think, like, an unexpected movement. I don't know. Like, I think that somehow, like, she's. She really believes this.

[Host 3]

Yeah. So somewhere in the middle, but it's definitely More towards Simone's side. Because Simone's like, well, you touched me, and then I very gingerly took your hand and I said, please do not touch.

[Host 1]

No, it's like, do a physical. You definitely took that hand off, but not in a way. There was no pushing. There was none of that.

[Host 3]

Yeah, agreed.

[Host 1]

So Emily's like, no, you didn't do that.

[Host 4]

You said, get your mother fucking hands off me. That's what you did. Simone.

[Host 1]

Simone's like, no, I didn't. It's on camera, baby.

[Host 4]

Well, oh, we watch the footage and I think you'll see it a little differently.

[Host 1]

And I think they sort of are looking at the producers to be like, you'll bring out the footage now so we can watch it at the table. Right, right. No one does anything. So. But of course, the producers show us the clip. Yeah, they show us again.

[Host 3]

So Heavenly is just like, no, you were fucking unhinged, period. Now, Heavenly, if you came in here without the, like, physical aggressive component and just said, listen, you come for me at the beginning of this thing at this party, we're supposed to be friends. You come up to me with Toya, who, you know, hates me, and you're like, well, Toya sent me notes from your thing, and then you start telling me off about my thing, and I'm. I don't need to be lectured by you. And then you go off on me in public. And it was embarrassing and unhinged. Okay? If she did that, she would have had a different argument. But, you know, Heavenly takes it to this other level, and she's always going off on people in public, so I guess she wouldn't have a leg to stand on without one either. But, yeah, you can't just say, someone beat you in a. Yeah, party girl. Come on.

[Host 1]

Yeah. So Simone is basically like, I'm not going to eat anymore. I've lost my appetite. And Heavenly's like, well, she was screaming.

[Host 4]

Going all over the place. Did you not see it? Did you guys all not see it? Were you not there? Am I making this up?

[Host 2]

And Toy's like, oh, I'm going to get some red wine. I'm going to go.

[Host 1]

No, no. Everyone, hold on, hold on. Listen, listen, listen. No, don't leave the table. Don't leave the table. But they're like, no, we're going to go. So Simone goes in one area, Heavenly goes to another area, and they've. They've gone to their own different corners.

[Host 3]

Yeah. And Simone's like, she's doing exactly what I thought she would. She's A lying low down bitch. I understand now, but that's what you need to say. That's what you need to say. I want you to come back to the table and very calmly say that she's a lying low down bitch. That's what we need to make this all better. And she's like, no. So then Heavenly on her side is like, well, I've said everything I can say. You all won't hear today. I like that. Heavenly was like, did anybody see this? This was a group scene. Anybody. And nobody was. Nobody would say anything.

[Host 1]

Yeah. And Cadessa's like, no, we want to hear. We want to hear you now that you're here. We heard you say your intention was, you know, just not come. And it was not for her to. To not come.

[Host 2]

And Toy was like, oh, what about ruling her as a physician and making it look like she's aggressive? Like, when you make comments like that, that's not good.

[Host 1]

And Heavenly's like, well, she was aggressive.

[Host 4]

She was very aggressive.

[Host 2]

Well, so are you. You're. This is aggressive.

[Host 1]

And Mimi's like, toya, I'm gonna ask you not to interject.

[Host 2]

And Toy's like, I'm not interjecting. I'm asking a question while someone else is talking. That's not interjecting. That's toy ejecting. And that's allowed.

[Host 3]

You're the interjector. Mimi's like, where was this energy yesterday, you know, when Simone got to say her side of the story? And Heavenly's like, oh, God, don't worry about it. Toria's just trying to piss me off. That's what Toria does. And she's like, well, the one question I want answered is if you had an issue with your friends of old, why you? And she goes, oh, is she my friend? Is she my friend? Okay, then if that wasn't your friend, then why did you put your hands on there in the first place? I didn't put my hands on her. Yes, you did. But you put your hands on her to take a picture. So just say that. Like, I was mad at her, but I still wanted to be in the picture, so what's the big deal?

[Host 1]

It's. Yeah, it was not putting the hands. It was not like capital P, putting the hands on this. It was a. Hey, come in. Let's take a photo together. Yeah, this is. Why isn't it the whole thing that Kiana reads, Whenever he takes a picture with someone, his hand, he always looks like he's has his hands on their shoulders, but his Hands are always, like, 4 inches off of them. He, like, just does not touch people because he knows that it can be.

[Host 3]

He watches Married to Medicine.

[Host 1]

He watches marriage Medicine.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

So I was like, you put your hands on her?

[Host 4]

Is that what happened?

[Host 1]

It's like.

[Host 2]

So she just randomly pushed you? She rather pushed you up and say.

[Host 1]

Okay, well, she didn't push her. And Heavenly did not, quote, unquote, put her hands on her like that. They were taking a photo, and Simone was like, I don't want to be in this photo with you. And it was nothing more than that. And it's crazy. That's become such a big thing.

[Host 3]

Yeah. And so Mimi's like, well, I mean, they were both asked to take a picture. Yeah. And then she moved the hand off her, and she was like, you know what? I'm going back to my room. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to my room with the balcony. So Tori's like, well, she just said, it's not a friend. And Quad's like, don't yell at me. Like, lick me out of it. So Mimi talks to Heavenly, and she's like, well, you know, we didn't hear Heavenly as. As we did Simone yesterday, and that's not fair. And Heavenly's like, yeah, you know, I don't feel like I deserve this. Like, I don't understand why she's so angry with me. And Brandy goes, well, do you understand now that the implications when you use certain words, like hostile, but it was hostile.

[Host 1]

Okay, so you don't understand. So Simone is saying, I understand that I also need to give grace like God gives me every day, and. And I am not ready. I'm not ready. Okay, well, let me just remind you that no good deed goes unpunished. And what Heavenly needs to hear right now is the heart of Simone. Can you give her that heart, please?

[Host 3]

All anybody needs is the heart of Simone. Take it away, Simone. Take it away.

[Host 1]

New York, Louisiana. The Sunset Strip, the heart of rock and roll. Also Simone. So Simone is like, she's not gonna get it. She didn't come wanting it, and she's not gonna get it. Okay, I'll do it. Where's Heavenly? So she goes off to go find Heavenly and everything, and Quad's like, well, sometimes we try to speed up people's processes because it's something we want right now, but we do have to allow people to kind of take their time. I mean, even between you. So I get it. Whoever I'm talking to, oh, it's a plant. But either way, plants we're on good page now.

[Host 3]

And now Jackie is talking to Heavenly, and she's like, what I need my friend to hear is that I've got two great friends that I love, and as long as you're mine, I'm hurt right now. And Emily's like, but I'm hurt. I'm the one who's hurt. She's like, you have to hear me. Are you willing to just say, as a friend, I hurt you? You don't have to go back and say you hurt me. You know, in a relationship, somebody's gon be the bad person.

[Host 1]

Wicked, if you will.

[Host 4]

Oh, I can do it, Jackie. I can do it. I can do it. God damn, I can do it, Jackie.

[Host 1]

And Mimi's like, but you're gonna do it from here. Your heart. Let me tap, tap your heart so you remember exactly what I'm talking about. This is.

[Host 4]

Oh, is that a Tin man reference? No, I get that. That's what we know. Is that a scarecrow? I'm so confused. I don't know who did what in that movie.

[Host 1]

It's okay. You don't have to worry about it. Just speak from your heart. You can do that.

[Host 4]

I mean, everyone keeps saying she's going through so much, but I'm going through so much, too.

[Host 1]

So Jackie, they're getting very emotional because obviously she's talking about the fact that she has no idea where her son is, and she's having a strained relationship with him. And Jackie is. Jackie senses, like, breakthrough moment. So she's like, on her knees, and she's like. Her voice is cracking. She's like, we're all built different, and they're strong people, need strong people. And there's a divine, divine transformation that's taking place inside of you, and you need to walk in it, stop. Walk in your divine transformation.

[Host 3]

So you'll talk to her. You'll say you're sorry and mean it from your heart. And I don't want to make light of the fact that you're hurting Heavenly. Do I not know that knowing where your baby is has got to be one of the most painful things? So you'll talk to her? Yes. Jackie, thank goodness.

[Host 4]

Commercials.

[Host 1]

Here comes one right now. So, yeah, Heavenly agrees to do it. So quad is like, yeah, she's hurt, too.

[Host 3]

And they're both.

[Host 4]

She's.

[Host 1]

She. They're both hurt, and they're both trying to be tough.

[Host 3]

You got to hand it to these people. I mean, the fact that they are on year nine. They've been doing this for so long. Especially these OGs have been doing it for so long. They've been having the same fight now for 10 years. And they're. Every time is like the first time. Like, oh, my God. Will Simone talk to Heavenly? Will Heavenly apologize to Simone? They're still, like, so hurt. Like, this has never happened before.

[Host 1]

It really.

[Host 2]

It's.

[Host 1]

It's. It really is true. So Toya comes.

[Host 2]

Oh, Heavenly, you've got tears. I didn't know you had those things inside of you.

[Host 1]

And Cadessa's like, okay, all these. All these delicate flowers are falling apart in Florida.

[Host 4]

I love it. I'm such a good host. My hosting dreams have come true.

[Host 1]

So Jack is like, you gotta say something. Okay, but not right now. Even though you're very emotional and raw, let's save it for tomorrow because we. Otherwise we have nothing to shoot. So we'll go to sleep and you'll put on your bathing suit and tomorrow you'll discuss it. Like, that sounds like a great idea.

[Host 3]

Yeah. They're like, let's go in the pool. And Contessa says, yeah, let's go in the pool. I have another game. Like, oh, God, Contessa games. Here we go. And Simone's like, no, I don't want to play a game if I'm not in a good mood and I don't want to be. And Toya's like, I'm not asking you to be fake. Hit her. Hit her. Hit her right there. You're not helping. Toya. And Brandy's like, they don't want to talk. So they decide that they're going to play a game. So Heavenly goes and changes to pajamas, I think. And so now they don't get in their bathing suits. They instead decide not to get in their pajamas and play a balloon game. So this is where they play their balloon games. So she brings out all these inflated balloons and Mimi's like, does she have a helium tank in her room?

[Host 2]

Like.

[Host 1]

Where did they come from? So they. They all have these balloons and they're gonna read questions like, who is the person who's like this? Or who's the person who's like that? And whoever called petty. Pop, Betty pop. Betty pop. It was Justin Timberlake song, and they are gonna pop balloons. So this is. I think this is game number two so far for Contessa. It's like she. She's making up for lost time. She has a whole thing about being a hostess for this trip, and she takes it very seriously. And she has loaded up this trip with as many games as Possible. Much to. Much to our chagrin.

[Host 3]

Yeah. So they. They read clues, and whoever people think it is, they have to pop their balloon. So Brandi goes, this one says, breaks the sound barrier, pop Simone's balloon. I got one. I have one. It's the first to jump to bat. But as soon as things get heated, plays the victim. And so Heavenly, pop Simone's. And she goes. She goes over there with her pin, and she gets right in Simone's face. She goes, you pops it right in her face.

[Host 1]

So contest is like, simone, don't let her get away with that. What do you got, Simone? What do you got? Simone's like, it's the only friend not to support her girlfriend's political endeavor. That's me.

[Host 3]

So.

[Host 1]

Oh, no, that's her question. And so then she pops Toya's. Toya's balloon and everything. And then Toya is like, you know.

[Host 2]

What these balloons was? They were blocking the view for you. Anyway, whatever.

[Host 1]

Okay, I've got one.

[Host 4]

Dress is the best in the group.

[Host 2]

And Toy's like, well, I'm not gonna pop myself.

[Host 1]

I'm like, good. Because I don't know if that's worth the pop there, but I like that.

[Host 3]

Toya is guilty in so many of the questions that she's almost out of balloons. She's like, well, I guess you guys could at least see my beautiful face now. And so treats their friends like their patients. And they say, mimi. And then Neville uses her voice to defend her friends, even with someone's did the wrong. And quads like, Jackie, Jackie, they're talking about you, baby. They're talking about you.

[Host 1]

Toilet pops, all of Jackie's balloons. I love that. The women just keep on laughing. You know, if this were Beverly Hills, it would be like, I just don't understand why she would do that. Like, I actually am really supportive. And so the fact that she, like, popped my balloon, it, like, makes me wonder, like, were we ever friends? But here. Well, yeah.

[Host 3]

And also the moment where Heavenly and Simone, who are in a huge fight, goes up to Simone's face and pops a balloon right in her face because. You bitch. And Simone just laughs. So quad's like, those will make enough to have the friend group. And Simone's like, oh, that's quad. And so it's fine.

[Host 1]

Yeah. And Contesta's like, wait, who's gonna help me clean up these balloons? Well, next time, think of a better game, because it's gonna be you.

[Host 3]

Yeah, I'm not helping you, balloon queen. No.

[Host 1]

Yeah. Next day, people wake up and heavenly quads. Like, heavenly, what verse do you have today? And heaven's like, well, I've been reading.

[Host 4]

The book of Ephesians. The tell you who you are dealing with people and dealing with the spirits and principles, principalities. Because you cannot come into this campaign being weak, and you cannot come in this campaign being polite. And I cannot, like, cannot talk to Jackie, this shit, because it's got to work if I'm going to be good, if I'm going to win this thing for Daddy.

[Host 1]

So Claude's like, wait a minute, baby.

[Host 3]

You'Ve got the Bible open. Yes, that's what Ephesians is. So then Contessa is checking everybody and, you know, being a hostess and stuff, and she's like, there are drinks on the table if anybody would like to get a refill. Okay, here's the thing. You ask each other a question. If the person tells you an answer you don't believe, you throw the coffee in their face. Okay, breakfast game.

[Host 1]

Contessa literally does rounds here. She's like, comes by to everyone's room on her laptop and is like, what could I be doing better as a host? What do you need? What would be. What would make the situation more fun for you? I'm like, this is a bit much for a vacation. I don't think you actually have to do that. Like, I do not want to have to answer a questionnaire about my experience on this stupid Airbnb Dolphin Miramar beach situation.

[Host 3]

So Contessa checks in with Simone, and she's like, would you be okay if Heavenly is able to say what she needs to say to the group? And she's like, she can say whatever she wants. She goes, okay. Okay, everyone. Well, we're all out here by the pool and we're chilling. We had a great night. Remember the games? That was so much fun. You're never gonna see balloons the same. Am I right? Okay, so let's just let Heavenly get Joker to talk uninterrupted. And when she says, and I'm done, then you guys can ask questions. Okay. Don't forget, it's when she says, and I'm done. Okay, Go ahead, Evelyn.

[Host 1]

Okay, here we go. Okay.

[Host 4]

All right, well, can you guys all gather around? Gather round, gather round. Okay, come in closer. Come in closer. This is kind of my thing this year. I have people coming closer. Okay, so here we go. Is everyone ready for my thing?

[Host 1]

And Simone's like, are you okay if I take notes?

[Host 4]

I don't give a fuck what you do. Okay, everyone. So first and foremost, I'm ready for a campaign. It's very serious for me. When I came to the room, I thought I had an amazing lunch. And so I came off this high end Angels events. And then what? First year it was like, oh, we have this list for you of shit that you did wrong.

[Host 1]

So she starts going into all the things that like her feeling of, like going into this into Angels show. And she felt like she was confronted right away. It put her in a bad mood. And she's like, she was like, oh my God, this is crazy. And then in my mind, like, it was too much. And then she says that then Simone touched her and she was like, well.

[Host 4]

I can't go on a trip with all you hoes. I'm not going. So I just extrapolated myself from the.

[Host 1]

Group and she says, I, you know, I knew the words I needed to use to make it happen. Basically, like, she's like, I. I got myself into this fight so that way I wouldn't have to come onto this trip. And she's like. And that's why I said that Simone was unhinged. And then Toya, of course is now.

[Host 3]

No, you cannot. Toya want to say something. It's like, okay, I'm gonna go home then, because I don't want this to turn into something bad. And so they're like, oh my God, just let her finish her. Her monologue. And Toya's like, stop egging it all. Like, this bitch is not the. Come on, you guys. And Contessa's like, come on, let's just let her go. And Heavenly's like, why do you want to be a Toya?

[Host 1]

Okay, let's not do that. Don't do that, Toya. And Angel's like, how can we allow Heavenly to finish, please?

[Host 4]

No, I'm good. I'm good. Thank you very much.

[Host 1]

So Heavenly gets up and she's like, whatever. Like, I can't get to the bottom of this if we've got Toyah in the way. She's too messy. She's too. She's always interjecting and I don't want to deal with that.

[Host 3]

So Toya's like, oh, you're doing too much, Heavenly. She's. The energy's not right here and I don't want to go to that place. But you did the energy though. You did the energy. And Toria just. Guy out there, please. My God, she never shuts up. And she's getting shit faced again. Which they point out throughout the episode that Tori is just always drinking a Lot. And Tori's like, I could do whatever I want. It's my vacation. Yeah, but, you know, like, let other people have their own fights. You have enough, right?

[Host 1]

And Contessa's like, look, Toya, be quiet, because it'll go faster if we don't interrupt.

[Host 2]

Well, there's no way in the world that you would have thought that we were okay, because every single time we got together, you bring it up. My husband and you were yelling at me, and you were talking about terrible textbooks.

[Host 1]

And Mimi's like, excuse me. Okay, I think we're going on a tangent. I'm not devaluing what you're saying, Toya, even though I do think it is. Is incredibly stupid and minimal. But I'm not devaluing it because I'm just giving it its actual value, which is unnecessary. Don't need to hear it. Okay? It's. I'm giving it full value. Okay, but we're. We're getting off topic.

[Host 3]

Well, you're not acknowledging what I'm saying because you're not in the fight. This isn't about you. It's not about you and Eugene, for Christ's sake.

[Host 1]

Yeah. She's like, okay, well, this is not. We're taught we're gonna deal with those two first. Okay, so Heavenly's like, simone, Simone, Simone, Simone, Simone, Simone. And while Mimi's trying to settle down, Toya, Heavenly goes over to Simone.

[Host 4]

She's like, simone, I'm not trying to touch you or anything. I just want you to hear me. Can you hear me? Hear me?

[Host 3]

She's like, well, I don't think that you do hear me, because you're. You're saying I'm on a tangent. You just hear Tori in the background.

[Host 1]

Mimi basically gets in the pool to join Toy.

[Host 3]

It's good.

[Host 1]

She sort of occupies Toya. I, like, dangles a. Dangles, like, some attention to Toya. So that way Simone and heavily can talk. And Simone. Simone's like, you're saying that I slapped you away.

[Host 4]

And Heaven's like, well, I felt like you hit me.

[Host 1]

She's like, but that's fine that you felt that way. And I felt like I was being violated. And when you use that language, that is defaming to my character of all the people here. I have been close to you, and you continue to attract me. And I do not feel like you're my friend.

[Host 3]

She's like, but I understand your feelings. And I was going through things that I shouldn't have said anything, but I never meant to hurt you. Simone.

[Host 4]

I swear.

[Host 3]

Swear I was wrong. I did wrong, Simone. I. I was in a bad place and I did wrong and I'm sorry. And you got to believe that when you say we're not friends, that hurts my feelings because that's wrong. And I consider you a friend. I really do, Simone. I really do. A very aggressive, volatile of a friend.

[Host 1]

I used to believe that before this and now I don't. So Heavenly's basically saying she's like, upset. She's telling us that she'd be really upset if their friendship really did end over something like this. That was not intentional. I'm like, well, it sounded pretty intentional when you. When you declared that you weren't coming on the trip. Yeah, that's an intentional choice.

[Host 3]

I mean, it's good that some. That she. Because she changes tactics, right? She's like, okay, obviously this is not working. Tori is not going to shut the fuck up and Simone is not going to give an inch. So I'm going to go into plan B, which is just profusely apologizing. So she completely changes. She's contrite, but. But it's also heavenly. And we've seen this a million times. On the other hand, Simone was kind of fucking with Heavenly and she was teaming up with Toya. And I think what isn't being said here is you've got Toya constantly coming for Heavenly. And I'm not saying that that's all Toya's fault because it's Heavenly. They're pretty equal in that. But when she's trying to be friends with Simone and tell her all this stuff and then Simone teams up with Toyah to be like, oh, you're unprofessional and you're political career is a joke or whatever. In Heavenly's mind, then that's. That's the betrayal. But she's not being. She's not able to really verbalize that to Simone and so she never really gets any kind of point across.

[Host 1]

Yeah. So Simone is like saying that she's showing us year after year, like the apology, like, she can kiss that. Because it's like we could be cordial, we can have fun, but I have eyes on you. Because it's like it's always the same thing from her. That's what she's essentially saying. And she. But then she also tells Heavenly that there's. She's like, there's never been a fight that we have not been able to come back from. But when you drag me in some, I'm not with you.

[Host 4]

I swear. To God. I swear to God. I swear to God. That wasn't my intention, but, like, just take my word.

[Host 3]

Yeah. And that's pretty much that. So they're gonna kind of make up, but Simone is like, yeah, I don't trust her.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 3]

So we'll see. Who knows? But we'll see. Yeah. Fun episode. And we will be back manana with the season premiere of Below Duck Down Under. And it is already Real Housewives of Salt Lake City time on that show. I thought we'd have a couple weeks before we were right back into Salt Lake City.

[Host 1]

Yeah. To get to know the new people, et cetera.

[Host 3]

But, yeah, I thought I was gonna have time to, like, chill from the reunion, you know? But there, it's like, okay, here's fights from months ago. Go talk about them again.

[Host 1]

Yep, capitalize. Right on. Right. You know, the whole thing. So cool. Excited to watch that tonight. Thanks, everyone, for being here. Check us out on Amazon Live. Check us out on Crappy Hour with Crystal Kung Minkoff, and we'll catch you in the next episode.

[Host 3]

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