#3206 RHOBH S15E08 Part One: Can’t Have Your Cake and Dorit It Too

Summary

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RHOBH S15E08 Part One: “Can’t Have Your Cake and Dorit It Too”

Date: February 6, 2026
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Ben and Ronnie dive into episode 8 of The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season 15—described by both as the breakout episode of the season. They recap a high-drama, Dorit-heavy installment where deep rifts among the cast finally burst into the open, marking the end of the long-standing Fox Force 5 alliance. The hosts bring their signature hilarious, affectionate snark, satirizing the Housewives’ conflicts while honoring truly iconic moments: Dorit’s feisty independence, Kyle’s flustered defensiveness, and the classic Housewives’ penchant for making every problem about themselves. With Rachel Zoe emerging as a scene-stealing presence and Amanda’s “therapy speak” sparking debate, Ben and Ronnie’s play-by-play is essential listening for Bravo fans.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Best Episode of the Season: The Cast Comes Alive

[04:45] - [08:17]

• Both hosts agree this is the first truly “good” episode, noting Rachel Zoe “came out to play”—making someone else’s fight about herself, which is “classic Housewife stuff.”
  • Ronnie: “Who knew Dorit would come out, all these years later, and be so—I mean, we always found her entertaining because we love to make fun of her. But this Dorit, being all pissed off and divorcing, is so funny to me.”
• The tension between Dorit and Kyle propels the drama, with Dorit providing “exactly what we need right now.”
• Rachel Zoe is praised for standing up to Kyle, with Ben noting, “standing up to Kyle and not even blinking an eye…for a newbie, I really like that.”
• The common enemy dynamic (Kyle) is called out as vital: “It really does help when you just have a common enemy…that’s what unites us all, you guys.”
• Sutton’s diminished role is lamented, with both questioning if her time on the show has run its course.
  • Ben: “Sutton, your time is coming to an end because you’re not really doing anything…it might be Sutton’s final song.”

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2. Dorit vs. Amanda: “Accosted” and the Language Olympics

[11:14] - [18:41]

• The fallout from Dorit and Amanda’s tense dinner party is relived, with Amanda claiming she was “verbally accosted.”
  • Amanda: “I need to be able to go to a dinner party and not be verbally accosted…approached and addressed boldly and aggressively. That’s what you did. You accosted me.” [11:43]
• Dorit (and the hosts) bristle at Amanda’s exaggerated language and defensive posturing.
  • Amanda: “I know what accosted means and this ain’t it, all right?” [12:05]
• Ronnie and Ben skewer the Housewives’ obsession with semantics, as Amanda reads out dictionary definitions and everyone else just wants tiramisu.

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3. Kyle’s Role: The “Queen” of Shutting Down Drama

[05:32] - [21:14]

• Kyle is critiqued for trying to keep “the really important stuff quiet,” a philosophy the hosts argue is at odds with being a Real Housewife.
  • Ronnie: “That mentality went out the door the moment you signed the dotted line.”
• Kyle’s “flustered” and Botoxed demeanor is recapped with delight:
  • Ben: “Her eyes almost cross to the other side, like, to each other’s sockets. She’s like, how dare you steal my ‘open and honest’?”
• The hosts argue Kyle’s support of PK over Dorit marks her as a “shitty girlfriend.”
  • Ronnie: “Why is it always on Dorit? Why doesn’t PK have to change how he behaves?”
• Ben speculates that Kyle’s caution toward Dorit is more about financial realities:
  • Ben: “PK’s got the money tied up…She said it herself on the show she doesn’t know anything about her finances.”

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4. Judgment, Gaslighting, and Shifting Alliances

[18:15] - [30:15]

• “Judgment” becomes the episode’s “boogeyman.” The hosts laugh at the Housewives’ hypocrisy in decrying judgment while professionally judging each other (and being judged themselves).
  • Ronnie: “This is, like, the judgiest group of people on TV. That’s all they do. That’s why they’re here.”
• The Fox Force 5 alliance is declared finished.
  • Ben: “It’s a nail in the coffin of the Fox Force 5, which we have been waiting for for years.”
• Amanda’s “therapy speak” and constant escalation are lampooned.
  • Ronnie: “She brings out all of these tricks… instead of just being like, I don’t really care about you or your marriage.”
• The group’s competing claims to “venting” and “openness” spiral as everyone tries to claim emotional ground.

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5. Rachel Zoe’s “Preacher Moment”

[32:35] - [33:31]

• Rachel delivers an emotional monologue, earning the hosts’ approval and applause.
  • Rachel Zoe (via Ben): “In a perfect world, we take the fucking high road every minute of our lives and smile…and I’ve done that for a really long time. I’ve worn feathered caftans the entire fucking time. Here’s the thing…if you can’t vent and be open and honest and vulnerable and chic and truthful and authentic and dead with your friends, then…I don’t even know what a friendship even is.” [33:04]
• Dorit and the others “cheer” Rachel’s vulnerability, with Amanda asking for a tambourine.

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6. Amanda’s “Therapeutic” Language Gets Read

[43:09] - [45:54]

• Amanda attempts to explain her discomfort using therapy jargon, which the hosts relentlessly parody and critique.
  • Ben: “Everything she says could be words over a really hot guy in underwear being like ‘yeah, I had my protein today.’”
  • Ronnie: “There’s gotta be a better word for ‘therapy talk’… It’s pop psychology, Instagram meme talk.”
• Bose (Housewife) delivers a killer takedown:
  • Bose: “Amanda…you can’t be in charge of how people want to respond. And so that’s an adult thing to understand.” [44:40]

  Ronnie and Ben call out this line as “such a read.”

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7. The Cult and the Anniversary—Comedy Gold

[45:44] - [47:57]

• Dorit brings up Amanda’s past in a cult:
  • Dorit: “But I thought you ran away from a cult?”
• The table devolves into cult jokes, with Amanda and the hosts riffing on NXIVM, Lularoe, and Heaven’s Gate.
• Amanda protests, “This woman disrespected me and my son on the anniversary of his death, and now she wants to bring up that I’m in a cult.”
  • Ronnie: “How are these words all being put together in a cohesive sentence?” [47:57]

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8. Rachel Zoe, Dorit, and Bose: The New Cool Clique and Power Shift

[55:18] - [58:10]

• Rachel, Dorit, and Bose retreat outside, with Rachel sobbing in feathers and aviators, delivering a monologue about the toll of being “the strong one.”
  • Rachel Zoe: “Sometimes you just gotta break in your closet, just at least surround yourself with Chanel because at least that makes me smile…Still breaking. I’m breaking...”
  • Ben: “She came in here and took this argument that had nothing to do with her at all. And now the whole scene is about Rachel outside crying in feathers and aviators. I was like, yes, welcome, welcome.”
• Ronnie applauds Rachel’s emergence as a “low key, new alpha” in the franchise, likening her power-shift to the Yolanda years.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Ronnie (on Dorit): “Who knew Dorit would come out, all these years later, and be so pissed off and divorcing? It’s so funny to me.” [04:45]
• Ben (on Kyle): “Her eyes almost cross…like, how dare you steal my open and honest? And then Dorit takes ‘open and honest’ and wields it as a weapon against Kyle in the rest of the episode—and I was cheering.” [23:45]
• Bose: “Amanda…you can’t be in charge of how people want to respond. And so that’s an adult thing to understand.” [44:40]
• Rachel Zoe: “If you can’t vent and be open and honest and vulnerable and chic and truthful and authentic and dead with your friends, then… I don’t even know what a friendship even is.” [33:04]
• Amanda (deadpan): “I just woke up every 30 minutes all night long with my heart beating so fast…my body interpreted that evening as a psychophysiological threat.” [50:40]
• Dorit: “But I thought you ran away from a cult?” [45:44]
• Ronnie: “How are these words all being put together in a cohesive sentence?” [47:57]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:45] – Praise for the episode; Dorit emerges as a star
• [11:14] – Amanda accuses Dorit of being “accosted”; semantics spiral
• [18:41] – Kyle’s financial logic and “keep it quiet” stance dissected
• [23:45] – “Open and honest” becomes a weapon
• [32:35] – Rachel Zoe’s monologue: the venting of divorced women
• [43:09] – Amanda’s therapy-speak and “pop psychology”
• [44:40] – Bose hands Amanda a brutal “adult” read
• [45:44] – Dorit brings up the cult; cult jokes ensue
• [55:18] – Rachel, Dorit, and Bose outside: “breaking” in Chanel, the new clique forms
• [58:10] – Hosts declare a power shift as Rachel ascends

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Tone & Style

The hosts toggle between affectionate parody and sharp social analysis—mimicking cast accents, delighting in wordplay, and dropping Bravo meta-commentary while dissecting Housewives relationship dynamics. Their irreverence is matched by moments of genuine insight on power, vulnerability, and the realities of divorce as lived in the absurd world of Beverly Hills.

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Summary Takeaway

For longtime RHOBH viewers, this episode marks a major turning point: teetering alliances, shifting power, and fresh dynamics with Rachel Zoe’s assertive entry. Ben and Ronnie chart the fray with their trademark mix of goofiness, wit, and surprising empathy—making the drama both hilarious and, just beneath the surface, a little bit real.

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Transcript

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Well, hello, hello, hello.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, guess what? We're just a mere three weeks away from the Golden Crappies. That's on February 27th at the Fonda theater. Not a lot of tickets left. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. But you can join us even if you're not there physically, you can join us virtually because we have partnered once again with Kazui to do the live stream. So go to watch a crappin.com to get your tickets to the live stream of the Crappies. And the good news is that live stream is available for two weeks after the show as a replay. So even if you're got plans, you're going to a wedding or something or like traveling, you can, you can go check it out. So go. That's going to be again at watchcraft. Com that's also where you'll find a link to the ballot for round one. That that voting is underway at the moment. So exciting to see everyone's choices coming in and and then on mid mid February we will have the official nominations based off of your votes and then you will get to vote all over again. So go check out that [e-mail] or on our social media @watchcrappins at. On Instagram and and then over at Patreon, it's a whole other party going on. We have weekly bonus episodes. We will be talking about last night's episode of the trailers right after today's episode of which we're going to recap Beverly Hills and we also have a newsletter and ad free and video. So it really is the full crappin experience. So do what you want. You know what, you can do as much as little as you want, but you know what we encourage you to do, to do the most. Okay, sorry, sorry. But today we are pivoting over to Real Housewives of Beverly Hills which I'm going to just say it. I feel like this was like the first truly good episode of the season. I feel like the, I feel like the show has come to life at long last. What did you think?

[Ben Mandelker]

It was a good episode. Yeah. Rachel came out to play which was nice. And she did, like, crazy housewives stuff where she took someone else's fight and then made it all about herself. And she was really upset about it, which I loved. Amanda got kind of put in her place, which was super fun. It was a very dorit heavy episode. Dorit. And, you know, you told me. Cause you watched this before me, and you're like, oh, my God, it's a dorit episode. And it was so funny. The dorit parts made me laugh so hard. Who knew dorit would come out, you know, all these years later and be so. I mean, look, we've always found her entertaining because we just love to make fun of her. I think she's such a fun ding dong. But this, you know, this dorit being, like, all pissed off and divorcing is so funny to me.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's.

[Ben Mandelker]

It really brings out the best in dorit.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I think she's doing a great job and she's giving us what we need right now, as opposed to Kyle, who she. I mean, the whole episode is basically about the fact that Kyle says you should be quiet about the things that are going on in your life. And somehow she's like the center of this franchise. Somehow. She's like one of the. The queen Real Housewives across all the shows. And yet, like, the thing that she espouses the most, the. The philosophy she espouses is you shouldn't say that on tv because that could be really bad. I mean, yes, but you're on the Real Housewives. Like, that mentality went out the door at the moment you signed the dotted line. But, like, this also shows. One of the. One of the ways that this show has been floundering is because you do have this person at the center of it who for the past several seasons has been emphasizing. Actually, I would say, like, for probably since season two. But even more blatantly, the past few seasons has been emphasizing keeping the really important stuff quiet and just, like, talking about stupid things like hats and exercise.

[Ben Mandelker]

But this has also brought out a great side of Kyle, which is the flustered. I don't agree. You know, when people disagree with Kyle, how she gets so flustered and it takes her off her game, which I'm loving. I'm loving seeing it. And Kyle. Also, one thing I used to always make fun of is getting too much botox. Now, this was, of course, back in the day when I was a youth and I was one of those who was like, who needs it? I would never. And of course, now I'm like, get it in my veins right now, immediately. You know, I saw my friend's baby last night and I was like, when are you starting Botox? Because this baby, you know, when she gets upset, she's gonna get wrinkles. So anyway, I'm fully on that train now. But I used to joke that Kyle got so much Botox that it like paralyzes one of her eyes sometimes. Cause she gets this cross eyed thing when she gets mad. And it was on full display today, the Kyle cross eye. And I was like, yes, someone finally brought this Kyle back. This is the only Kyle I want on tv.

[Ronnie Caram]

Same, same. That's because that's like Rage Kyle, which we all know is there, but she keeps it wrapped up. And Dorit was able to bring it out and I was like, really happy about it. Because Rage Kyle, I'm not mad at. At all. I feel like Rage Kyle is real Kyle. And that. And that's fun.

[Amanda Francis]

And.

[Ronnie Caram]

And like you, I just want to circle back to something that you said. This was also my first episode where I was like, okay, I am feeling really good about Rachel Zo. I was. I mean, it was hilarious that she made it about herself. But the way she is kind of like the cool girl. She is the cool girl. She's the senior who is like, very popular. And then when she doesn't like someone, she just sort of rallies the troop and talks about them behind their backs. And I really like that for her. And so I think she's been pretty passive all season. And now she's like, oh, I'm annoyed at someone and let's talk shit.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, not only that, but standing up to Kyle and not even blinking an eye, which I really like. She's like, okay, I'll go against Kyle now. She's like, fine, sounds fun to me. Which I really liked for a newbie. And it was the first time I felt like the cast was really solidified as a cast. And I think it really does help when you just have a common enemy. I mean, that's nothing new, you know, you need a common enemy. We see it on the Valley this week where a couple is actually brought back together because they both hate the same person. And it's just. It's what unites us all, you guys. So it's nice to see. And it's nice to see that it's Kyle. So I really liked it. This was the first episode. I know a lot of the audiences felt this for a long time. This was the first episode. I was like, okay, well, Sutton, your time is coming to an end because you're not really doing anything. And it's to the point now where everybody else feels very united as a cast, and Sutton seems kind of off on the sidelines. And I've always really enjoyed Sutton, but. But I think it might be Sutton's final song.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I was thinking that last night I was like, let's bring back Sutton Strack and get rid of Sutton Brown, because Sutton Brown is not doing it for me. She's just on the corner doing nothing, being very quiet. And I like. What was maybe the point of the season, maybe why it had slow start. Was everyone just waiting for Sutton to pop off and be crazy? Was. Was that what. What was going on? But either way, I mean, the. The Dorit and Kyle clashing has become one of the more compelling aspects of this show because those are two girlfriends who have totally different fundamental views of what it means to be a girl's girl. I think we all believe that Kyle is wrong. Kyle is like the shittiest girlfriend, and she tries to actually make herself seem like she's the best girlfriend and she's not.

[Ben Mandelker]

But.

[Ronnie Caram]

But yeah, Sutton has. She has been very retiring this season, and that's not good.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's also a nail in the coffin of the Fox Force 5, which we have been waiting for for years. And it's finally happening. They're finally break. And I love to see it because they've been holding on for a very long time. I mean, Dorit and Kyle had some issues last year, and so it started to kind of get shaky. You know, there have been issues in it, but it seems like it's finally going to break up, and we're going to have room for new alliances and stuff, which I love. I watched this with Friends last night, and they hadn't even watched the season. They knew who everybody was because they've watched it, but they haven't caught up with the season. And they were even engaged. You know, and sometimes it's tricky watching this stuff with friends who aren't watching because they criticize it, or they're like, how could you watch this crap? And they were like, oh, wow. You know, Bose has a point. And why is Bose like, what is this powerful person saying things like, but how can I keep the man if I don't have the baby? You know, it's nice hearing it from other people, you know, around you. So even they were engaged. So you know what? It took eight episodes. But well done, Beverly Hills.

[Ronnie Caram]

So this show's come. The show's coming together. It's very good. So, yeah, we pick up. We are at Dorit and Erica's joint birthday party, and where we had left off last week was Amanda saying that dorit had verbally accosted her, and then Dorit responded. So we sort of. We sort of come back to that moment where she's like, I'd like to.

[Kyle Richards]

Have a conversation with you, Amanda.

[Ronnie Caram]

She goes, well, I need to be able to go to a dinner party and not be verbally accosted. I think that's the word. That's what I'm learning.

[Amanda Francis]

Seven languages of whoa for you.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, well, that's how I experienced it. Approached the look, I'm reading the definition. Approached and addressed boldly and aggressively. That's what you did. You accosted me.

[Amanda Francis]

Oh, my God. I can't even. Like, I know what accosted means, and this ain't it, all right? This is not a constant.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Erica's like, we could look up.

[Amanda Francis]

A chat GPT assistant, too.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I hope so, because that's the only one you've got left. And who does Amanda think she's schooling? I don't see a single person here who has a notepad on, getting ready to write down what she's saying.

[Kyle Richards]

So Jennifer's like, can you guys talk a little bit louder? It's a little bit quiet on this side of the table. It's hard to hear.

[Ronnie Caram]

So, Theresa, you stuck me next to.

[Amanda Francis]

The lady with a blow dryer for a purse, and the conversation's not very good. She's come three times when the waiters.

[Ben Mandelker]

Come over here, like, please move. So I like that Jennifer's like, I'm not sitting down here with these losers. And she gets her chair and just moves it to the other side of the table.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Gets right into the mix.

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[Kyle Richards]

Like, do you think that I approached.

[Ronnie Caram]

You aggressively at this point, Jennifer is still complaining.

[Kyle Richards]

She's like, I mean, they're in belleville hills and we're in Calabasas.

[Ronnie Caram]

Kathy's just fanning herself, like, not even listening to the conversation.

[Amanda Francis]

Well, I felt hurt and disappointed, and I thought you were super, super sweet. And it took. When I heard you were saying behind my back, amanda, behind my back.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like, I didn't say anything behind your back. And you could have just asked me, but you didn't just ask me. You came out with me. Of pretty strong accusations and aggression. And then when I told you it was the anniversary of the death of.

[Amanda Francis]

My son, I just wanted to say that again.

[Ben Mandelker]

Are we ordering dessert yet? Bring the waiter over here.

[Amanda Francis]

Do you have tiramisu?

[Ben Mandelker]

It is the anniversary of the death of my son.

[Amanda Francis]

Even when I said that, you didn't stop.

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[Amanda Francis]

You kept going. You kept going. You kept going. Amanda, I'm sorry. I had no idea about the death of your son. Your dog, your son. Kathy, please, please.

[Ronnie Caram]

No, you're not happy. She's like, but I told you.

[Kyle Richards]

But I said, listen, I'm very sorry. And I just wanted to have this conversation because I had heard it, because, well, I.

[Ronnie Caram]

All I did was agree with Kyle, which is great because push it on to Kyle. But it's also kind of true. Kyle was driving that conversation. We see a flashback, and Kyle has a whole thing where she's like, well, I mean, her talking about how he's parenting and things like that, that worries me because there's, like, no way he's not going to hear about this down the road. And it's going to, like, spark a bigger fight and he may retaliate. And Amanda goes, yeah, adding fuel to the fire. Like, that's all. That's really all she said. And so Dorit's like, coyle and I.

[Kyle Richards]

Have known each other for almost a decade. Her having an opinion is one thing, but you having the same Opinion is different.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just agreed with her. God.

[Kyle Richards]

Well, what did you agree with?

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, well, if last year speaking about your ex's relationship with alcohol was hard for you guys, then this year speaking about his parenting style could also be hard for you guys.

[Amanda Francis]

Well, Coyle leading with, I don't think she should be doing this is a little peculiar, but that's something with Kyle, and I'll deal with that separately.

[Ben Mandelker]

Coil. Kyle's just like.

[Kyle Richards]

I mean, right now it's just licking.

[Ben Mandelker]

Her face, like, with her eyes crossed.

[Kyle Richards]

What exactly is Kyle's point in trying to color Amanda's image of me? She's not exactly talking to somebody that has any idea who I am. No idea of the situation. Has never worn Beverly beach yet. She's talking to Amanda about her opinion about what I'm doing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Amanda Francis]

Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Dorit is like, well, the fact.

[Amanda Francis]

That you brought up how you feel about how I'm behaving with regards to my divorce. Speaking of my friends making me want to question you. Why have a judgment about someone you don't even know?

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, Dorit. Dorit is kind of off the rails here. Listen, everybody has judgments about shit that they don't know. Like, this is Beverly Hills. Of course they're going to sit and gossip about you. But Amanda, Rachel's right when she says it later. Like, what is wrong with this girl? Just say, I'm sorry. Like, I don't know you. I shouldn't have said anything about it and it would be done. But she's bringing out all of these tricks and, like, you can't talk to me this way, and this is assault, and, you know, my son died. She's bringing out all of this stuff. Instead of just being like, I don't really care about you or your marriage. I was asked to because she was literally asked the question. They show a clip where they're like, well, Amanda, what do you think? And she's like, like, well, I think that she probably shouldn't be doing that. So they ask her, and then they hold it against her. She should just say, you all ask me and then come at me at dinner. Sorry. I literally do not care about you. I don't care about you or your doughy husband.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I agree. She should have said that. And there's a lot of talk, like, judgment becomes, like, the boogeyman of this episode. Like, I don't want to be judged. Like, I don't want to have. If I say something, I don't want to judge. I don't Want judgment. But meanwhile, this is like the judgiest group of people on tv. And that's all they do. And that's what they do professionally. That's why they're here, is to judge. And then they're in front of us and we are judging in turn. But. But, yeah, Amanda should have just owned it and moved on.

[Kyle Richards]

And.

[Ronnie Caram]

But also, what I can't stand about what Kyle is saying, and this actually comes up and actually, Dorit, I believe clocks are about this later is this whole thing of like, oh, don't say something. Don't poke the bear. Don't poke the bear, because if you say too much, he'll get angry and come at you. And it's like, well, how about he doesn't book the bear too? Why is it always on Dorit? Why is it under read that she has act, right? Like, oh, PK doesn't have to change how he behaves. Right? Like, it's up to us to modify how we act around PK so we don't bring out this horrific behavior in. Well, that he can't change. Now, I'm not saying that it's like, it's. I understand the larger thing. It's like, maybe not so good to talk about your divorce republic on a TV show because it's going to get dirty. Yes. But I just hate the idea of, like, Dorit is the one who has to fall in line when it's like, where's the energy from Kyle to say pen used to fall in line?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I think the. I think the truth is that it's. The reason is because he's got the money tied up. She doesn't have any money. She's got. He's got that lease in her name. He's got every. The mortgage in her name. He's got everything financially. All the financial burdens are in her name. And he is holding this money over her head. I don't even know if she still has a lawyer, does she? That's any good? Like, she's still trusting PK to give her money. She's trusting that he's gonna do all of this stuff. She said it herself on the show that she doesn't know anything about her finances. It's all in PK's hands. And he said he was gonna pay for certain stuff. Now he doesn't wanna pay for stuff. So I think what Kyle is saying is, dorit, you want money from this guy and you deserve the money, but you don't even have. Like, you could be in trouble. Like, you could literally get in trouble for the stuff you're saying. If you piss this guy off, he can get vindictive with you, and he can make your life a living hell. I think that's what she's trying to say. And if I was friends with Dorit, I would say that in private. Be like, dori, I get what you're pissed about, but going on TV and calling this man an alcoholic and everything else. I don't want you to get hurt with money and you be destitute with your children. Like, get your shit, get your financial stuff together. Here's a lawyer, you know, and all of that. But to be going around to, like, Amanda Francis and all these people, like, Kyle's not getting her way on tv, and Dorit's doing it anyway. So now she's going behind her back and shit talking how Dorit's handling it. She's just not a good. She's just not a good girlfriend. She doesn't even like Dorit. And we know that she hasn't liked Dorit for years. So this is nothing new, but I think that's what a friend would be trying to say, But Kyle's just not a friend, and she's. She's on the wrong side of history.

[Ronnie Caram]

I. I agree. And I think, though, I. I imagine what Dorit's probably thinking is he's gonna get vindictive no matter what. It doesn't matter how. How nicely I play along, how sweet I am. He. If I'm sweet, he's gonna take advantage. If I'm not sweet, he's gonna be vindictive. Either way, I get screwed. So let me be me, and I'm gonna say what's on, like, coming off my chest. And I. I imagine that's probably some of the thought process as well. And I support her, honestly. I mean, I, like, my instinct is to say, oh, don't talk about this on tv, but, like, the more I think about it, the more I think, like, he's gonna screw her. No matter what, he's gonna screw her. So she should. And her only tool is because he has the money. Her only tool is just to bring it to America and say it on tv. And I think Kyle is just really shitty for, like, repeatedly taking up for. For PK Whether she's doing it in, like, a little way, like, masked as, like, support for Dorit or not, like, Kyle. Kyle's in the middle of this, of this, and she's just being such a bad girls girl.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I agree. So Amanda's saying, well, but you didn't even question me. And that's not typically how you get down to people's true thoughts.

[Amanda Francis]

It's like by get.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, you don't get there by being really aggressive.

[Amanda Francis]

And she's like, but I wasn't trying to inquire about your thoughts. I was trying to inquire. Inquire about why you were talking behind my back and judging me, especially about something as sensitive as my divorce.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, well, I've never in my entire life gone to a dinner party and accused people of things and got aggressive with them. Like, to me, that was. Right. You actually did. You came to a birthday party and are accusing somebody of assaulting you.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. But also, like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Or whatever.

[Ronnie Caram]

Are you, like, are you gonna be, like, a victim now? Is this. Is this. Are you gonna equate this? You know, like, going to a dinner party and having someone be, quote, unquote, aggressive with you on a TV show where this is famously the thing of the TV show. And, like, this is gonna be as bad for you. Like, guys, I know there's a lot of going on in this country right now. I mean, ICE is going around killing people, root, breaking up families. But I was verbally accosted at a dinner party in Beverly Hills, and it's just, like, really hard to. For me right now. It's really hard.

[Amanda Francis]

And she's like, well, I'm sorry that you thought it was strong, but I'm in a place of openness, a place of transparency. So when I feel a certain way, I'm gonna be open and honest.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Kyle's just like, her eyes. Her eyes almost cross to the other side, like, to each other's sockets. She's like, how dare you steal my open and honest? And then Dorit takes open and honest and wields it as a weapon against Kyle in the rest of the episode. And I was cheering.

[Ronnie Caram]

So good. Yeah, I loved it. And then Amanda. God, Amanda's so funny because she's so ridiculous. She goes, but you know what? You could have just said, amanda, I heard you have thoughts. Can you tell me more? You could have had curiosity. You could have had curiosity. So you heard I was talking about your marriage and your divorce. Why weren't you? You could have just been more curious.

[Amanda Francis]

I'm not gonna say I hear you have thoughts. Can you tell me more? I just heard that behind my back. You were talking about me, and you were judgin.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kyle's like, can I say something really quickly? I'm Going back to Tilly's house. You were really upset. Like, I'm. You know, like, I've never seen you cry. Dorit. You've seen Dorit cry multiple times, and so have we. Where have you been?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Yeah. She, like, literally broke down on the bench outside your house after her trauma. So then we see a month earlier, and we see Dorit, you know, at. At Tilly's house.

[Amanda Francis]

Even believe Jigga. Jiga doesn't even know his father. All he asks for is my father, Papu. All he wants is Papu. Do you know what it's like looking at Jagger and saying, who are you? Who are you, Jigga? And then realizing it's just some little girl from down the street who insists.

[Ben Mandelker]

On living in your home?

[Ronnie Caram]

Dorit, you had very strong words and that night about PK which is understandable. And I'm saying, which is understandable in a way that sounds more like I'm saying you're a crazy, but I'm okay with you. But it was understandable.

[Kyle Richards]

Well, what strong words did I have, Coil?

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, you know when you ask, like, I don't. I don't remember all the things. I just know that you had, like, strong words. Like, that's it. Like, strong words.

[Amanda Francis]

If you can't remember the things. If you can't remember the things, then don't say things like that. Don't say words. Don't say strong words. I had strong words about what I was going through. Kyle. Look, okay.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, fine. I'm gonna make my case to America. So, America, the things that Dorit is saying about PK now is going to come back to him. And this legal advice is sound because I'm wearing a tie. I'm basically a lawyer. So then. Oh, and she's actually appearing on the new season of Lincoln Lawyer. By the way, there was a clip that was going around where she, like, shows up at, like, a lawyer's office late at night. She's like, hi. So I'm, like, looking for, like, a lawyer. Could you help me hang? That's basically the. The long and short of it.

[Ben Mandelker]

She can't let go of ER Still. Yeah. What are you trying to say, Ronnie? Oh, P.K. had a post today. It was like, I would never talk. The mother of my children. I would never speak badly about the mother. Oh, please. You're never even there. What are you talking about? Be quiet, P.K. be quiet.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Kyle's like. I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that he may not like what you're saying, why poke the bear? So I don't know, like, that. That's the thing that, like, rubbed me the wrong way. Like, I get the logic, obviously, you know, if you have a vindictive ex with the money, he's gonna, like, come at you hard. But for some reason, I just.

[Kyle Richards]

I want.

[Ronnie Caram]

I want her to poke the bear.

[Kyle Richards]

The bear.

[Ronnie Caram]

This is slow moving bear.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, it's entertaining to us, you know, and it's not really even a bear. It's like poking the doughboy. Like, what are you gonna do? You're gonna poke the bear, and this is what's gonna happen. You're gonna hear this.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's it. Ho ho. What's the favorite peak? The peaksbury. The peeksbury doughboy.

[Kyle Richards]

How.

[Ronnie Caram]

So? Dorit's like, don't.

[Kyle Richards]

So don't twist things, Coil.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, I'm not twisting. I'm saying I don't recall exactly.

[Kyle Richards]

Well, you are. You are. But then if you don't recall, then you really shouldn't be positioning it that way, Kyle.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, okay, Dorit. Okay, Dorit. And Kyle starts doing that thing where she starts cocking her head because she's, like, angry. She's like, I'm gonna make a point.

[Ben Mandelker]

She does, like, the little bobblehead thing. Yeah. She goes. She, like, crosses her. She crosses her eyes and, like, doings her head back and forth. And duri.

[Amanda Francis]

It's like, well, the way that you positioned it is not a nice way to position, and it's not actually true.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, well, now you're just spinning hairs because I. That's what.

[Amanda Francis]

Coil. Coil, coil. I'm not splitting hairs. For me, it's the difference between a really big deal and nothing at all. Coil.

[Ronnie Caram]

I love that. Splitting hairs for you, but not for me. And Kyle's like, do you remember I said you would, you know, do something? Remember I said you would. I'll let you finish that sentence because I don't really know where else to go with it. Do you remember I said you would?

[Ben Mandelker]

Going back and forth. And then the music's like, dun dun d. She goes, well, when you and I had dinner and I said to you, I don't think it's a good idea, like, bash a father of your children. Why do you think I said that, Doreen? Why? And she's like, oh, do I remember that? Is that your question? Yes.

[Amanda Francis]

Well, you've not only made it a point to say to me at least a dozen times, but you're clearly actually sharing it with a lot of people. So I Can remember clearly. Coil clearly.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, yeah. Because, Kyle, when she's. I forgot. When she goes, do you remember? She goes, do you remember? And they added like an echo to it. Do you remember? Remember? So that way, when Dorit said so.

[Kyle Richards]

Yes, I do remember. And I went.

[Ronnie Caram]

I was like, oh, get in there. Audio engineers.

[Ben Mandelker]

They're like, add some medium room to that.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay.

[Amanda Francis]

Cathedral.

[Ronnie Caram]

No, medium room only.

[Ben Mandelker]

Let's not overdo it, guys, okay? This isn't tlc. We just need medium room. So she's like, well, when you and I had dinner. Yeah, I told you that, Dorit. And she's like, okay, okay, Dorit, you can calm down now. Maybe you should let somebody else talk. Okay, maybe somebody else should talk now.

[Kyle Richards]

That's so old, it's boring.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's like, well, I only had concerns because I don't want to be more complicated for you later because I actually care about you. So dorit tells us.

[Kyle Richards]

If she really had a problem, she would have told me in private once, not gone behind me back and talked about it over and over and over again. And furthermore, for more over and moreover.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Kyle's like, this is not me bashing you. It's just me purely having PK side. Okay? And I'm not talking bad about you behind your back.

[Amanda Francis]

Back.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm just talking not good about you behind your back. That's literally because you don't want to create more problems for yourself. I'm really like the best friend you could ever have.

[Ben Mandelker]

Can I just say something? It's Rachel here. It's really fucking hard in these moments not to speak how you feel.

[Amanda Francis]

Thank you. Reacher. Reacher to the rescue.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, because, like, I'm just being really honest right now because I understand. In a perfect world, we take the fucking high road every minute in our of our lives and smile. And I've done that for a really long time. And I've worn feathered caftans the entire fucking time. And here's the thing.

[Amanda Francis]

Amen, sister. Speak it to the choir.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just cheering before she even knows what she's gonna say.

[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

So Rachel has a big long monologue here about like divorced people. We have it rough. We go through every day going through pain and if we have something to say, then we should have the right. Right to say it and not be told that. Be quiet. I will not be silenced. And they're like, damn. And Dorit's like, that's right, sister.

[Amanda Francis]

Do you have a tambourine to give me?

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, there's like moments when I'm just like. Like, we just need to vent. Like, I think that, like, be like, I just need to be. Just need to say my things to my people. I need to like cry into a poochie scarf, you know, and like, I don't think like that you should do that or whatever. Like, I don't want to be judged, okay? Because it's like our friends and even if they feel that way sometimes, don't tell us that, like right now because we feel so shitty, like right now anyway.

[Kyle Richards]

Yes, yes.

[Ronnie Caram]

So that's all I'm saying. And Rachel's basically because there were like headlines about her and her divorce that day and she'd wanted to keep it private, but it got out anyway. Which by the way, once again, just goes to show you try to play nicey nicely and then guess what? The other side screws you over no matter what. So Rachel's like, if you can't like, like be like open. If you can't vent and be like open and honest and vulnerable and like chic and truthful and authentic and like dead with your friends, then your and your people, then like, I don't even know what a friendship even is.

[Amanda Francis]

Oh, and by the way, honey, let me tell you one thing, Coyle, what you have kicked off and started is what's really going to come back and kick me in the ass.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Carl's like, you need to calm down. What? Are you even mad at her? You're mad at me, you're mad at her, you're mad at the situation. Like, what have I even done? Like, you're not even mad at us. You're mad at your situation. And she's like, oh, really?

[Amanda Francis]

So now you're gonna do the same thing that Sutton did. Sutton. That's right. You're getting the cockney Sutton.

[Ben Mandelker]

Something did this to me. Something's like, what did I do? I'm Sutton Brown. Sutton Brown doesn't know anything.

[Amanda Francis]

Okay? Sutton Brown just got here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sutton Brown got a letter from the pope telling her she had to change her name. That's all I know.

[Ronnie Caram]

Sutton Brown's just at the end of the table, just white knuckling it while I look at everyone drink their second drink and I have to pretend like I don't drink that much anymore.

[Ben Mandelker]

And we see a flashback to, you are not angry at me. You are angry at your life.

[Momentus Brand Representative]

Life.

[Amanda Francis]

And Dorit's like, life sucks right now, and I've got zero tolerance for.

[Ronnie Caram]

So. By the way, I agreed with what Sutton said last year, and I actually agree with what Kyle says this year. Dorit is angry at her life right now.

[Kyle Richards]

And.

[Ronnie Caram]

But also, that's allowed. There's nothing wrong. If you can't vent about your life in the space of, like, a very well moisturized person, then, like, what are you in front. So Dorit says, I'm allowed to have.

[Kyle Richards]

Emotions, especially in these situations.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Kyle's like, yeah, and I'm allowed to have emotions too. And we're all allowed to have opinions about things. Okay, so now suddenly Kyle has backed off from like, hey, I was just trying to help. I was just trying to say this. And now it's like, we're all allowed to have opinions. So Dorit's like, so should I be.

[Kyle Richards]

Saying to you, calm down when you have emotions? What about that coil?

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, you can if you feel that way, Crazy face.

[Amanda Francis]

But I don't.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I mean, that doesn't mean I will. I mean, come on. And she's like, but.

[Amanda Francis]

Because you know. You know what, Kyle? It minimizes your feelings in the mornings.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, but you seem very angry and aggressive right now.

[Amanda Francis]

Well, thank God when Rachel actually stepped in and took the bull bit. I'm shocked that that didn't land for you, Kyle. And you didn't say, hmm, you know what?

[Ben Mandelker]

Rachel has just become a preacher.

[Amanda Francis]

Maybe it's me.

[Ronnie Caram]

Dorit's right on this one, too. I love her. She's like, look, the.

[Kyle Richards]

The. The clothes rack over there in the corner, who hasn't said anything all season long, finally speaks up, and you still.

[Ronnie Caram]

Don'T even listen to her.

[Amanda Francis]

Mrs. Roper finally came. Mrs. Roper finally came unmumified to say something, and you didn't even listen to that.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm so vulnerable over here. So Dorit's like, coil loves to talk.

[Kyle Richards]

About how she has no issues with Mo, not his finances or communication. So maybe that's why she's having such a difficult time understanding why I'm sharing.

[Ronnie Caram]

What I'm going through.

[Kyle Richards]

You know, PK is venting to his friends, Mo and all of his friends and family. Is he protecting me? Is he protecting me?

[Ronnie Caram]

And that's exactly right, because PK is definitely talking up a storm, but try.

[Ben Mandelker]

To keep the children from me. Yeah. So, yeah, he is doing all of that. Well, it's not on tv, but it is in a way, because he's going to tell Mauricio, and then Mauricio's saying it on TV to Kyle. So, yeah, you know, and Kyle's like, don't put words in my mouth.

[Amanda Francis]

What words did I put in your mouth, Coil?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, if you let people, like. If you keep saying like, it's. It's you. We can't let people talk. I mean, let people talk. Why can't we talk then? And so Kyle's saying, you know, Mo's saying completely opposite things from what you're saying. Okay. And I didn't speak up that night at Tilly's on purpose because I don't want to be like. Well, you know, I don't want to be standing up for P.K. you know, I didn't see anything. I came to you later privately, and I said, I don't create more problems to yourself. And Dorit, just point. She's like. And Kathy's like, I don't know what we're talking about, but this is a fun dinner.

[Ronnie Caram]

Goes. Grow up to read.

[Kyle Richards]

Oh, is it okay? No, because I just want to make sure I'm giving you a chance to speak.

[Ronnie Caram]

Is it okay? Because to read to me this whole thing where she's like, I can't. Like, she's. She's acting like she's in beetlejuice.

[Amanda Francis]

You can speak, Coil, you can speak.

[Kyle Richards]

She's like, am I allowed to say something? I'm biting my tongue.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, come on, Dorit.

[Momentus Brand Representative]

Grow up.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Erica's like.

[Kyle Richards]

Like, Kyle talking to Mauricio about Dorit. PK is 100% keeping Kyle in the.

[Ronnie Caram]

Middle, which is correct.

[Kyle Richards]

And the best thing K could do for she and Dorit's friendship is to stay out of their divorce. I promise you, Kyle, the more you talk to Mauricio about Dorit and pk, the worse it's going to be for you and the.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Erica House knows this. Erica House eye makeup today, it's like multiple, like, colors of silver overlapping on her eyes. And it looks like when you start unrolling a tin at anchovies. I don't know how else to explain it, but I was like, wow, I can't stop. Every time they showed it, I was like, why? Why do her eyes look like anchovy tins? Why? It was cool, though. Whatever technique, I hope everyone starts doing it.

[Ronnie Caram]

How sophisticated. Can we have some wine and get some crackers?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like you have a robot and you can't get their eyes open, so you just start kind of jamming, like, trying to roll them. Roll back the metal.

[Amanda Francis]

Trust me.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, Dorit. I mean, yes, Erica with the sardine tin eyes.

[Ronnie Caram]

Hello there. I'm Bosamer, and I'm here as well. I believe that Kyle has your best interest at heart. What you are saying is you are willing to assume the risk of speaking publicly about what is happening, and everyone has to accept that, like, thank you, Bose. Dorit's not an idiot. She knows when she says this stuff on camera, she's aware she's not dumb, and she's chosen this path. Oh, wait a second. Natalie Fuller has something to say.

[Ben Mandelker]

I can't believe somebody just said dorit's not dumb.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's still an idiot, but she's not dumb.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, I know we're. I know we're on Dorit's side today, but come on.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, it's a wacky Friday. Freaking.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's a crazy Friday. And, yeah, Natalie's down at the end of table. She's like, wow, really good birthday party. Am I right? Quiet, Natalie. No, you just got here. You just got here.

[Ronnie Caram]

Just go away.

[Ben Mandelker]

You already had your. I came on the massage table scene. Okay.

[Ronnie Caram]

Natalie Fuller, more like Natalie, emptier of content. So Erica is like the re. You can take that, publish that, put that as a post world for this podcast. The funniest podcast in the podcast, Fe. With wines such as Natalie Fuller, more like Natalie, emptier of content.

[Ben Mandelker]

Erica.

[Kyle Richards]

Gee, that was hilarious.

[Ronnie Caram]

I laughed, I cried.

[Kyle Richards]

It was better than cats, which PK8, Erica says. But three. No one here at the table wants anything bad to happen to you. Except for Kyle, of course.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's like, goes, exactly.

[Kyle Richards]

But I don't believe. I don't believe it. I don't believe it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Kyle's like, do you think that my saying that that is because I cared about you? Do you remember your house that day when I said, hey, wait, can I do it again? Guys, can I do it again? Do you remember that? Oh, no, I only get the echo once. Okay, fine.

[Ben Mandelker]

Coyo, shut up now.

[Amanda Francis]

You shut up. You shut up.

[Ronnie Caram]

Do you remember?

[Amanda Francis]

So it's like, shut up for two seconds.

[Ben Mandelker]

And they're talking over each other.

[Amanda Francis]

And Erica's like, dory, come on, Erica. Stupid. I mean it here to come. It's like, no, I'm not gonna stop it. You guys are friends. You guys are on a way to repair things. I know you're upset, but come on. No, you didn't. Listen, I don't want either of you telling me what I should or shouldn't do.

[Kyle Richards]

I'd love for Erica to chime in and say, coil. That's not cool. Or kyle, that's not cool. Or wait, let me try her voice.

[Amanda Francis]

That's not cool.

[Ronnie Caram]

I was like, whoa, she did, like, a perfect Erica voice.

[Ben Mandelker]

She did. She did. She did.

[Amanda Francis]

Kyle is not cool when things are happening in my life. I showed up to Tilly's very broken. Very, very broke. Do you want me to show up pretending like everything is fine, Kyle?

[Ronnie Caram]

Do you? I have a fundamental problem with them referring to Jennifer Tilly as Tilly every time they refer to her house as Tilly's. Only because all I can think about is the stupid store.

[Ben Mandelker]

Me too.

[Ronnie Caram]

Sells, like, skating shorts and everything, like, stuff for tweens. And I. I like it. She just has to be referred to as either Jennifer or Jennifer Tilly. But, like, every time they're like, when.

[Kyle Richards]

We have that conversation at Tilly's, as we were looking at surfboards and hoodies with graphic designs.

[Amanda Francis]

I can specifically remember being in parachute pants at Tea Leaves talking about this.

[Kyle Richards]

When I was looking at checkerboard vans at Tilly's, I felt, kyle, you're not supporting me.

[Amanda Francis]

And then I remember saying, whatever happened to gadzooks?

[Ronnie Caram]

Hi, Amanda Francis here. It's clear to me, based on some of the dynamics tonight, that this is a communication style that I'm very not used to. I mean, even had I not been, it had not been the anniversary of Zion's death, which, by the way, it's the five day anniversary of that night.

[Ben Mandelker]

Makes me crazy.

[Ronnie Caram]

She is so ridiculous. What is. I mean, I still, like, is this. What is. How do you describe this therapizer, this sort of talk, this therapy talk that she. That she speaks in? This is something that, like, the. There's gotta be a better way to call it than therapy talk, right? Like, it's like a formalized. It's not nonsense talk. But the way she uses it, it just.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like pop psychology, Instagram, meme talk, you know, it's like everything she says could be words over a really hot guy in underwear being like, yeah, I had my protein today.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Because, like, the concepts are not. They're not like, unsound in terms of sense of, like, it's good. It is good in life to draw boundaries. It is important to have things like self care. I don't know. But like, the way she uses them as like, like an escape valve or escape hatch out of a tough situation is just, like, hilarious to me. And like, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's like, well, even if it hadn't been Zion's death anniversary, I still would not have appreciated being approached that way. And boss was like, okay, well, here's the thing, Amanda. You can't be in charge of how people want to respond. And so that's an adult thing to understand.

[Ronnie Caram]

I was like, oh, that's an adult thing to understand.

[Ben Mandelker]

And everybody's face, like, pulled back like, damn.

[Ronnie Caram]

That moment used to be getting more attention by people because that was. That was such a read in that moment. Like, for her to say that's an adult thing to understand was so brilliant. And Amanda's like, but like, you don't ever set boundaries with people around how they can and can't speak to you. And she's like, well, how am I going to enforce that? That sounds crazy. You can't walk around the planet thinking everyone's going to agree with you. She's like, in my 40 years of life, which is just a reminder that I'm younger than all of you old bitties, I have never left a dinner party crying. I'm like, well, have you been living?

[Ben Mandelker]

No kidding. What kind of life do you lead? I'm not even on these shows. I've left plenty of dinner parties crying. Of course, it's usually over, like a lack of some kind of a dessert or having to do all the dishes by myself or something like that. But still crying.

[Ronnie Caram]

Movie.

[Kyle Richards]

Oh.

[Ronnie Caram]

And so. So she says, I've never left a dinner party crying. And then Dorit, out of nowhere goes.

[Kyle Richards]

But I thought you ran away from A cult?

[Amanda Francis]

Did you not have dinner parties to.

[Ben Mandelker]

Cry out in the cult?

[Ronnie Caram]

Weren't you in some sort of crying dinner party culture?

[Amanda Francis]

Because I've seen the documentary on Nixxiom and I specifically remember people crying after dinner.

[Kyle Richards]

I watched that one.

[Ronnie Caram]

What was it called?

[Kyle Richards]

Wild Wild west, where they all went.

[Ronnie Caram]

Up to the mountains and had dinner, then cried afterwards.

[Amanda Francis]

You know, called things clearly remember ladies in Lularoe leggings crying over camel toes after dinner parties.

[Kyle Richards]

But aren't you in. Aren't you a member of Scientists?

[Ronnie Caram]

Get it? If you think about it, it's wordplay.

[Amanda Francis]

Shut up, Empty. I'm not listening to you.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's the last time I used one of your jokes.

[Kyle Richards]

She sent it to me. A little piece of paper folded up.

[Ronnie Caram]

In the shape of a vagina so.

[Ben Mandelker]

The music gets really tense. And Amanda's like, yeah, I did run away from a cult.

[Amanda Francis]

And Erica's like, doreen, we're not supposed to bring up people's cult belongings at dinner. Come on, I'm. I'm Erica J. Even I know that. Come on, Dorit.

[Kyle Richards]

Delete. That's supposed to be for a different dinner party. Come on. You're churning through our content.

[Amanda Francis]

No, I'm just curious.

[Ronnie Caram]

Funny way, by the way, that is a funny call back to Amanda being like, well, I mean, why couldn't you have been curious about me? Why couldn't you have been curious instead of being aggressive? So she's like, no, I'm being curious. Yes, I.

[Ben Mandelker]

Deadly. The cult. I mean, it just doesn't sound right, Dorit. And Amanda's like, what does a cult have to do with anything? This woman disrespected me, and on the anniversary of my son's death. I can't. She needs to.

[Ronnie Caram]

I can't. Why are you making me laugh? This is.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. This is something that is so heartless to even be laugh when someone says that there should be no laughter even near the room. So it's not even making fun of that. It's just that she's will. She's just so blatantly and grossly wielding it as a weapon at this point. Yeah, it's just so gross. We're laughing at the gross personality trait of the person, not the sun dying.

[Ronnie Caram]

So she's like, by the way, this. This sentence. I'm sorry, but this sentence is also wild. This woman disrespected me and my son on the anniversary of his death, and now she wants to bring up that I'm in a cult. I'm sorry. I'm Sorry. Okay, I might be heartless for laughing at the ridiculousness of that all. So now what? You got me. I'm heartless. This is hilarious. What? What? What? How are these words all being put together in a cohesive sentence?

[Ben Mandelker]

Totally. So she's just scraping the bottom of the barrel for anything she thinks is.

[Amanda Francis]

Gonna make me look bad.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Jennifer Tilly's like, oh, a cult.

[Amanda Francis]

What kind of a cult? Now we're talking.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Amanda's like, that's a whole different story. Okay, we can go into it if you want. Jennifer tells us.

[Amanda Francis]

Oh yeah, I knew she was in a cult. I googled Amanda just like I googled everybody in this group. I mean, I know the history of Amanda. It's all out there. It's on Reddit. Even the people in the group that are saying, I never Google any. Please. You Google people. It's like Meghan Markle saying that she never googled me. Prince Harry before. Girl, please stop. Megan. Just stop.

[Ronnie Caram]

Megan Markle. Catching a straight out of nowhere. That was so funny. Like, like is like.

[Kyle Richards]

So you sort of maintain what you've live, that you've lived a life where there's.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Summer's like, intense reactions have happened. I mean, I'm not Summer. I mean a man. You're saying if you were in a cult. Intense. Oh no, Summer it is Summer.

[Ben Mandelker]

Summer it is Summer. Yeah. Summer jumps.

[Ronnie Caram]

I forgot that Summer was there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Summer jumps in because Dorit can't quite make her point of why she brought it up now. And so Summer helps her out. She's like, so, yeah, intense interactions have happened, you know, you're saying if you were in a cult, then intense interactions would be happening. So you would be used to intense interactions now, right? To read.

[Amanda Francis]

She's like, well, I don't really know who this woman from someplace else is.

[Ben Mandelker]

I forgot your name, dear.

[Amanda Francis]

But I would imagine that there's far worse you've experienced than what happened the other night. Far, far, far worse.

[Kyle Richards]

And by the way, I do enjoy.

[Ronnie Caram]

Your work, Karen Laifer. So Amanda's like, can we please order.

[Amanda Francis]

Amanda some kool aid to drink? She loves cools.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Amanda's like, I'm not saying it's the worst thing that ever happened to me. You know, I just. I woke up.

[Kyle Richards]

Up.

[Amanda Francis]

You said it was the worst thing that happened to you in 40 years of life.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, let me finish. Without accosting me. Okay, let me finish.

[Ben Mandelker]

Knock, knocking on heaven gate's door. Am I right?

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm just going to ignore that, okay? Cuz the cult is very serious. I woke up about every 30 minutes all night long with my heart beating so fast. Like, so fast. And my body interpreted that evening as a psychophysiological threat. Girl, you just had some really salty food. It's called blood pressure.

[Ben Mandelker]

Both goes, girl. So funny.

[Ronnie Caram]

My heart was beating fast, though. I woke up every 30 minutes with my heart being fast. And Amanda's like, why are you shaking your head at that? Like, well, I mean, your expectations of not having confrontation in the way that you don't, like, is unrealistic now.

[Kyle Richards]

Like, that's true.

[Amanda Francis]

That is true.

[Kyle Richards]

I can't stand people who get confronted by.

[Amanda Francis]

Who try to act.

[Kyle Richards]

Try to control the way people confront them Anyway, so should we roll the footage from about four or five years.

[Ronnie Caram]

Ago on this show?

[Ben Mandelker]

No kidding. So you need to understand that, and you need to accept that. It's like. But there can be disagreements without conflict, and they all start laughing, and they're Cause.

[Amanda Francis]

No, no, they can't. No, they can't.

[Ben Mandelker]

No. But you disagree, and, like, you sit and you speak about it like you have the intention to, like, really hear each other, and there's not a huge conflict. And the music gets really tight, tense. And post just goes, girl, what are you talking about?

[Ronnie Caram]

How in this human experience, what fantasy world is Amanda living in? Because in this reality, we've got to have real conversations that push edges, that address conflict, that make us uncomfortable. Because, I don't know any world in which Amanda thinks that she's the sole power to be able to control how people feel.

[Amanda Francis]

Seriously, can we get this girl some salad dressing? Maybe a side of ranch Davidian?

[Ronnie Caram]

Guys, guys, we cannot control how people speak to us or how people react to us. Like, I'm dead. Trying to control people. That's bananas. We can only control how we react to other things and how we react to news that Raj leaked our divorce to the papers. Like, and trust me, if I could control people, how people fucking speak to me, like, life would be, like, so much fucking different. Oh, my God. I'm, like, so vulnerable right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hallelujah. You really are a preacher today. Preach it, Rachel. Preach it. The sentence. Just like, well, how did. How Dorit spoke to her wasn't even that bad. I mean, it's Dorit. And Rachel's like, no, like, look, I know verbal assaults. I know TMZ assaults. I know daily mail assaults. I know general, like, pop paparazzi assault. They're behind the tree right now. Please stop looking at me. I'm feeling things on television. So, like, I Get it? And it's really, really hard. You guys, listen, I'm in a really vulnerable state right now. Hold on. I've got aviators. She puts her glasses on and starts crying.

[Ronnie Caram]

Fire. I'm sorry for raising my voice, everyone. I know I'm out of control right now. I'm so sorry. Oh, my God. I know. I can't stop screaming. I don't know what's wrong with me. I'm out of control. I'm so vulnerable and de vulnerability. I'm a big banana, and I'm out of control.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, you guys, I'm, like, trying to come from a place of, like, being grateful. I mean, I have adorable sons, even though one really likes e bikes. And, like, it's great. I'm rich. Like, I have Chanel. Like, I look at the Chanel in my closet, and I'm like, at least that makes me smile. But it's, like, really hard, you guys, to hear people judging me. But I am sitting here in feathers.

[Amanda Francis]

It.

[Ronnie Caram]

I really try to stay in gratitude and strength all the time, and sometimes it just causes a strength crack. And, you know, I say that crack. I say pasta. Pasta crack. Get out of here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. Are you crying? Let me see your eyes. Let me see them. Oh, no. She's crying. Look what you did, Amanda.

[Ronnie Caram]

Look what you did to Rachel Zoe. She was just about to eat her first piece of lettuce.

[Ben Mandelker]

This woman has felt nothing in public for 20 years. Look what you did to her.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's funny because Rachel Zo basically says the same stuff that Amanda's saying, which Rachel Z. Is like, I just try to stay in a place of gratitude and forgiveness. It's like she's just speaking in the same way as Amanda. But, like, with Rachel Zoe, I'm like, yeah, sure. So it's like, for all the stoicism, for all the professionalism, for all the extensions in her hair, for all the fabulosity, she is human. She's just a regular lady who can't figure out a kaleidoscope. And so the divorce is gonna cut real deep for her.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now Rachel and Bose and Dorit all go outside so Rachel can cry. And Rachel is saying, I'm so sick of holding shit together all the time. Oh, okay. Well, you don't have to hold any. Anything, honey. You don't. You don't have to. I mean, it's like I've been listening to Amanda. It's like, anything I said in honesty, it's, like, gonna fucking blow up in my face. Like, fuck And I'm like, you know what? Like the way that they're judging Dorit, like they're judging me too, you know? And it's not okay. Like I was with a guy named Roger with a D. And I'm not okay with that. And I'm gonna say it. And that is my right.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Like, I can't fucking take the high road every minute of my life. Like sometimes I have to take. Take a slightly less high road, you know? But you don't have to. Like, it's like sometimes like, you just need a break. And I break in my closet. And I break in my bathroom. And I break in my bathroom that's in my closet. Cuz I actually love my closet so much. I have a little bathroom on the side. But I never do anything bad in there because like, who would want to go to the bathroom in their closet, right? But I like look in the mirror there. It's like amazing. And it's like I caught my cry bathroom. It's like I break, I break to my sister, I break to my Chanel. I. I just, I break to the bottle of moisturizer that I know that Kaiser is going to use when he goes to camp. Like, it's like a break all the time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Guys. You guys, I make like 100 decisions a day between my life, my kids life, my work life. Like, at some point you're just like paralyzed. You're like paralyzed. You're paralyzed with exhaustion. You're paralyzed with feathers. You're just fucking paralyzed. And I'm sick of it. And sometimes you just got to break in your closet, just at least surround yourself with Chanel because at least that makes me smile. Still breaking. I'm breaking. And this is when I was like, okay, she's perfect for this show. You know, maybe there were some reservations at the beginning. The fact that she came in here and took this argument that had nothing to do with her at all. And now the whole scene is about Rachel outside crying in feathers and aviators. I was like, yes, welcome, welcome.

[Ronnie Caram]

It was great. Great. It was. Here's what I liked about it. I liked everything you just said. I liked also that when she said this stuff about like, I'm so sick and tired of taking the high road. I thought that was actually kind of great. It's great too. That was like, great advice for that moment. And also I do love that Rachel is quietly carving out a cool click in this group. It's like her Dorit and Bose. And this is gonna. I think this is going to lead to some really interesting tension because Kyle has always been the alpha and she's been the queen. But I think Rachel. Rachel is. Is the new. Is like, low key, a new alpha. Sort of the way that Yolanda was, too. Like, she comes from fashion. She has real celebrity, and she's gonna have her own draw. And I think that there's gonna be like a. Like a power balance dynamic that's gonna happen.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she just came in and took it over effortlessly, which I really liked because, yeah, it's usually people kissing Kyle's butt or trying to, like, tiptoe around Kyle, and she didn't. And she's really coming for Kyle here because she's saying Amanda. You know, Amanda's saying all this stuff, but the one who's fighting about it at the table is Kyle. So she's basically saying, you know, you tell people to shut up about their divorces, and you're basically telling a woman to shut up. Like, how much do we have to. So she's basically like, off Kyle. You know, she's not saying that right now, but the lines are drawn.

[Ronnie Caram]

Exactly. Hey, everyone, this is the end of part one of this recap for part two. Keep an eye on your podcast feed. It is coming up in just a moment. Thanks so much for listening. Catch you on the second half. Watch what Crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors. Ain't no thing like Allison King. It's always a party on Alison Block.

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