B (2:46)

Just before I forget Because I'm sure everybody's gonna fall in love with you who isn't already? I know you have a huge following already, but for those of you who are new to Elizabeth, her podcast is called how to Fail, and her book is called One of Us, which you can get@elizabethday.org so go there and check it out. Buy that book.

A (3:06)

Yeah. Wait, what's your book about? Tell us more about your book.

C (3:09)

My book is a novel, and it's about rich people behaving badly, so I feel it's very. Watch what Krappens Coded. You know, as you two know, I am steeped in the law of reality tv. I am obsessed with Housewives, with the whole Bravo multiverse, and it genuinely informs how I write. So it's a story about a rich, aristocratic British family. The male father figure is on course to become the next Prime Minister, but he did something terrible in his past, and his former best friend Martin, who is secretly in love with him, is hell bent on revenge. So it's about everything that happens after that. And Ben's wife Serena is essentially a Real Housewives character that I just put into my fiction. So it was a lot of fun to write. And I also invented my own reality TV show during the course of the novel, which if there are any commissioners watching and listening, which I'm sure there are, it's a show called Shit Happens, and it takes celebrities and it puts them undercover as sewage workers. And it's a lot of politicians use it as a vehicle for redemption and rehabilitation. So it's very reality TV coded, and I would love it if you pre ordered a copy. It's out in the States on the 24th of February.

B (4:20)

Beautiful.

A (4:21)

Wow, that's amazing, by the way. That sounds amazing. And you're speaking my language. A few of my favorite things. An invented reality show. Within it. Aristocracy. Aristocrats.

B (4:31)

Aristocrats.

A (4:32)

Aristocracy. Aristocracy.

B (4:36)

I love that. Aristocracy. You're talking to Americans now, girl.

A (4:39)

I know. Welcome to the aristocracy. And also best friend who is secretly in love with him. Oh, I love that. Now, was Martin the character of Martin? Was he loosely based off of Martin from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills? Please say yes. Please say yes.

C (4:52)

I mean, how did you know? 100%. It was actually really annoying because this book, One of Us, you can read it on its own, but it's also a sequel to an earlier book I wrote called the Party, which came out in 2017, and it featured this outsider who was secretly in love with his best friend and just couldn't acknowledge his Own sexuality. And then Saltburn came out, and it was basically the same storyline except more wildly popular. So this is my attempt to reclaim that territory.

B (5:20)

Closeted people are very in this year. Everybody is like, yes, Closeted gay guys. We're loving, like, the heated rivalry thing. Everybody's so into the closet again. Let's all go back. Let's all go back. So much. So much.

A (5:35)

I love that. I love a closeted motif in a. In a. In, like, a TV show or a movie or a book. Like, I know. It's like, no, we're. We're past that. I'm like, that's the hottest thing for me. So I love a secretly in love, really male best friend.

B (5:49)

That's funny.

C (5:49)

Did you guys love heated rivalry?

B (5:52)

I did.

A (5:52)

I loved it.

B (5:53)

Yeah. Ben was. You got it. Well, what do you think?

A (5:57)

I was so happy for the people who loved it.

B (5:59)

I.

A (6:02)

I love the Scott Hunter storyline, but I personally did not understand what the hype was about. Like, I just. I thought, like, honestly, when it wasn't on Scott Hunter and Kip, I was so bored. I was so bored. Did you like it?

C (6:20)

I totally agree with you, Ben. I thought, obviously, incredibly important for representation and the sex was hot, don't get me wrong. But beyond that, I just thought, what am I watching in terms of story and character development? And there wasn't anything other than. You're so right. The Scott and Kit storyline. And there wasn't enough of that.

B (6:40)

Hot gay people, they don't need a story. They're just hot. Have you ever talked to somebody that hot who's a gay guy? They don't say much. They work out. They have protein farts. That's it. That's the story. They work out. They go to rehearsal or practice or whatever they call it.

A (6:56)

Let's go to hockey rehearsal. I. But did you hear, actually that Francois Arnaud is being harassed regularly by the fandom? It's like, a lot of women are harassing him. They hate him. And why they feel. I don't know, it's some weird, parasocial thing going on where he's getting death threats, like, every single day. They don't like that. He either. I don't know. Did he miss an event or whatever? Like, when he's, like, near Connor's story, they get mad and, like, he is being harassed like crazy. And I'm like, stop that.

B (7:30)

Are you sure it's not just my favorite. Are you sure it's not just Kelly Dodd not liking the show or something because she's all over The Bravo news, harassing some doctor again, just going crazy on people. But let's talk about some Bravo stuff, guys, because we have all had time to let our boners go down from heated rivalry. Love it or hate it, we all had a boner, so let's just let that one go. But something else that kind of happened in the past, what seems like forever ago to us because we only do crappy hour two times a month. So we kind of missed this as far as a fresh story, but it was a good one. And that was the reaction to Bad Bunny at the Super Bowl. Wow. Leaving to the housewives to just cancel themselves one by one. We had Jill Zarin, I think, made the biggest misstep of all when she came onto her, I guess Instagram or TikTok or whatever and made a video like, oh my God, did you watch that show? Not one white person in the entire thing. And he was grabbing his wiener. Like, what am I supposed to do with that? I mean, I don't even know whether the people twerking. Where's the white people? Swift backlash and immediately got fired from her new Housewives spinoff show on E. What say you?

A (8:45)

Yeah, how do you feel about that, Elizabeth? And I'm so interested to hear what you have to say. As someone who's not living in America.

C (8:51)

And how this feel, the lack of any self awareness from Jill, I shouldn't find it surprising. And yet I do find it so shocking that someone can repeatedly be shown the truth of who they are and the truth of who they are has lost them jobs that they have mourned the loss of, and yet still she cannot hide her true colors. It was wild the way she gets in her own way so much. And I find it astonishing, watching it all from this side of the pond, the idea that Bad Bunny was making a political statement when the overarching theme was love triumphs over hate. Like, if that is a political statement in this world, which it is, and that's the saddest thing of all, I would have just thought that that's a statement of fact. So, yeah, I thought, well done, E for acting so swiftly. But the thing that I could not get enough of was the Reddit thread written by her step grandson.

B (9:50)

Oh, yes. Now you know that Jill is thirsty. She's a thirsty person and of course has thirsty stock. So her kid, her step grandson came out and I loved him. Now that's my favorite kind of thirst, which is like, I've always hated this lady and now I get to screw her over. On Reddit and he took that moment and he ran with it. So for those of you who didn't read, her step grandson went on to Reddit and well, first they posted on Jill Zarin fabrics a picture of Jill with a big X through her face. And it was like, we don't stand behind Jill's racism. And for those of you wondering, she has not been part of this company for years. She's out of here. We hate that bee. And so first there was that, then there was the Reddit thread where he's like, ask me anything, bitches, and went to town on Jill. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

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C (11:45)

He said that they call her Jill Shapiro because his mother is also called Jill Zarin. And they wanted there to be distinction because she was so vile and disliked by the entire family. And the only nice thing that she ever did for him, according to him, was give him some Pokemon cards. And then, and then he also revealed that whole thing about the Bravo cameras at Bobby's funeral that she did actually invite them, which obviously has been. Yeah, of course. So that was, that was all compelling. I mean, give that guy a spin off show instantly.

B (12:18)

Yeah, that was pretty good. Oh, sorry.

A (12:20)

I'm just, you know, they just been waiting for like 12 years and being really nice and biting his tongue and like, you know what, they probably never liked her. She came in and they just probably Always hated her, but they just. They were like, we'll take the high road. And now they're like, fuck it, we don't care anymore. I'm going to say everything. We all hate her. We've all always hated her. And we're not going to let her tarnish the brand of this fabric store that's been around for, like, 120 years.

B (12:48)

Yeah, basically, he was saying that she. There was some wonky stuff with the will and that they believe that she had. The will changed right before Bobby died, when he was really sick. And he said that when Bobby started dating Jill, that Bobby said that the friend who hooked him up said, oh, I didn't expect him to date her. I just wanted him to get a blowjob. And I mean, it was bad. This Reddit thread was bad. And I think there were like, three. I think he just kept coming back. He's like, okay, I'm done for my lunch hour, doing another Reddit. Ask me anything. I was like, wow, he's really going for it, this one.

C (13:23)

He also revealed that one of the nicest celebrity clients of Zarin Fabrics was Parker Posey, which I like. Yes.

A (13:32)

I hear Zara Fabrics is amazing, by the way here. It's an amazing store to go into if you're in the market for fabrics where it really is kind of like a landmark there in. In Manhattan.

B (13:41)

Yeah, the Zarin fabrics. So that was Aaron. That was the Jill thing. There was also a Bethany. A Bethany post. So Bethany came out and she was doing her makeup, you know, as she does, because she's an influencer, guys. I hope everybody did their makeup that day. And she was influencing people to do makeup. So she was putting on makeup and she was saying, like, oh, my God, when does it go too far? Like, the politics. Like, you shouldn't do that in entertainment. Like, you're paid to entertain. We're not here for your politics. But what do you guys think? Because I'll tell you this, Regis and Mark, you can't do that. They won't let you talk. I was like, regis and what's is that about Regis and Mark?

A (14:20)

I said on Mark and Kelly.

B (14:21)

Yeah, Mark and Kelly, you can't do that. Okay? They say no politics. Like, what is that? How are you comparing that to this? A. And so she said, all right, I'll leave it up to you guys. Give me your opinions or whatever. And then she started getting hammered in the comments right away. So she took that video down, not realizing people immediately record that with their phone to use against you. Later, The Internet is forever, ma'. Am. And then came out with another one immediately after. It was like, oh, my God, I love Bed Bunny. Huge fan. Huge fan. Huge fan of Bed Bunny.

A (14:50)

Because the first video was essentially engagement bait, where she was, like, doing actually a surprisingly un. Bethany thing, which is not really taking a stand, just alluding to the fact that she didn't approve of the halftime show, but she didn't want to actually say, I don't approve of this. So she's like, wait, where's the line? Where's the line? But between politics or not, which is just crazy because, you know, I feel like Bethany, you know, she. She has this charity that's, like, built off of, you know, helping Puerto Rico. So that's an inherently political charity, if you think about it. Because, I mean, one could say everything we do is political, right? So she has this. So she's happy to go on to Real Housewives of New York and promote her charity. And by the way, good, good. That was a good moment. But then, like, Bad Bunny does it, and suddenly she's one of these people that's like, what? What? Like what? Why is she just being entertaining? Be entertaining for us. So she gets hit by everyone. So she comes out with this video. Elizabeth, did you see this video? Bethany's reaction after people were like, what the fuck, Bethany? And, like, how she responded.

C (15:48)

Was this the one where she said, no one has done more for Puerto Rico than I have?

B (15:52)

She said that in a comment to someone. They said, like, how could you do this to Puerto Rico? She's like, no one's done more for Puerto Rico than me. That's it. I threw gift cards at that. Like, what do you want from me?

C (16:01)

I throw gift cards at that. No, I didn't see the next. I didn't see the response video.

A (16:08)

Okay, so what? Basically, people are giving her shit. They're like, we know. They're accusing her of, you know, being problematic. And so she gets on there and she goes, let me tell you all something, okay? If you're gonna try. You know, sometimes people misspeak. Sometimes people say underage instead of children. Sometimes people say margarita instead of martini. Sometimes people say Cuba instead of Puerto Rico. You know what? And you could either respond by saying, hey, you said that wrong a little bit. Maybe you should fix it. Or you can say, go fuck yourself, which is the better way. This is why we as a country are falling apart. Because you don't have dialogue anymore. We're not talking to each other anymore. So you can either come at Me and say, hey, Bethany, you should learn from it, and I'll lear. Or you can say, go yourself, because guess what? I'm not going anywhere. I'm not going ever. I love the idea that Bethany is saying, you know what? If you get it wrong, just politely say, hey, babe, you got it wrong. As if Bethany Frankel would ever say that. Anything in that tone to anyone in the history of ever. That's just. It's just so ridiculous that she's pulling that card.

C (17:07)

Did she actually say, sometimes you say underage and you mean children?

A (17:10)

Yes.

C (17:11)

That's. That's got extraordinary.

A (17:12)

Maybe it was the other way around.

C (17:14)

Epstein files.

B (17:15)

Especially, like, where we're at right now. You know what I mean? My God, she's just such a dope. So first of all, this video. Well, I guess it's not. It's like third of all, in this video, she's in a towel. She's just gotten out of the shower or something. She's, like, wrapped in a towel, and she's yelling at us, like, fresh out of the shower. Which I don't know why that made me laugh, but I'm like, put on some clothes. Like, what are you. Are you busy? Are you on your way out? Like, you're canceled? Put on a damn robe. At least, you know? So she comes out, she's got wet hair, she's waving her finger around, and she's like, this is who I am. This is who I am. Follow me or cancel me. I don't care. Unfollow me or cancel me. I don't care. She said, this is just one of the quotes I pull. Let's say I get a word wrong, even though I've been to Puerto Rico like, six times. Okay? I realize it's a territory, but still, it's not the mainland. So it feels culturally different. Okay, so let's say I got it wrong. Let's say I fucking say it wrong. You have two choices. And she just finishes going off. Mo. Bethany.

A (18:10)

Jeez, She's. It just. It was funny because I think she was basically going into defense mode. Like, you're not going to cancel me. Like, you can. Whatever you want to say, you're not going to cancel. And she was just going off. And, like, it's so funny that you noted that she had just taken a shower, because I think what happened was she stepped in the shower. She just saw some bad comment before she stepped in the shower, and then she spent that entire shower working herself up. Because I say this because this is what I always Do I always step into a shower in a perfectly fine mood, but there's, like, one, like, negative thought, and I spend that entire shower whipping myself to frenzy that by the time I get out of that shower, I'm like, fudge everyone. Fudge them. Fuck them. Them. I go crazy in a shower sometimes. And I guarantee Bethany whipped herself up into the biggest frenzy over. Over the situation.

C (18:51)

Bethany gives Scorpios a bad name. And I say that as a Scorpio myself. As someone who used to be such a Bethany fan in the early seasons of New York, it really is so depressing to see what she's become. And it's like a narrative arc for politics itself. It's like, it's just become so extreme and unhinged and unpleasant to look at. She is the political statement.

A (19:13)

Yeah, she is. She's like, it's sad. Her journey is almost sadder than Jill's. Jill's is more predictable. Jill's just sort of, you know, Jill's just Jill. And, like, she's whatever. And she sort of moves down to Florida and she just sort of becomes the Palm beach person. But then Bethany seemed like she was always aware she was the Greek chorus on the show. She seemed to be hip. She. And she's very smart. She would make fun of people like Jill. And Bethany has just become so unhinged over the past few years. I think that, like, she's just suffered major trauma. I think the divorce, I think everything, like, you know, Dennis passing. I think she's just suffered so much that, like, it's just all catching up to her, and she's just going off the deep end now. Like, she's just lost the thread.

B (19:56)

I mean, I won't give it to her that she suffered so much, and that's why she's going off the. I just won't give her that. Like, she doesn't get that. She's had one of the luckiest, most blessed lives of most of the people that we've seen on these shows. So I'm not going to give her the, oh, porn Bethany. No. I think that a lot of it is that she's of the age where she, like us, we were not born with Internet and we are not used to instant feedback. And especially someone who was a huge star before social media really took off. I mean, Real Housewives of New York came out at a time where you just didn't go online and read tens of pages of Reddit threads a day about yourself having an opinion on everything you do. And she was used to being the loudest mouth in the room for a long time. And that's how she won every argument, which, like you said, is what we see in politics a lot right now, which is, like, the loudest voice wins. The one who doesn't shut up always wins. And I think she won that way. But guess who's louder? The Internet, okay? No one is gonna shout and be ruder than the Internet, and she just can't beat it. And she's always trying to have an argument with the Internet, and you're just not gonna win.

A (21:01)

But it's also like, we're. See, we're witnessing in real time how people who were once like, cool and connected and seem to have, like, an idea of, like. Like, you know, whoa, those. Those other people are crazy. We see how they sort of, like, get older and ossified and then just. Just go off the deep end. Like, don't. You know, don't. Sometimes you meet someone who's older, who's older, and you're like, what are they thinking?

B (21:27)

Were.

A (21:27)

Like, were they ever. They must have. They must have. Like, how do they get to this place in life, right? Like, how do they. How do they become this, like, you know, when. When we have the idea of, like, the drunk uncle at that. At the bar, who's just drunk.

B (21:39)

Hey, hey, hey.

A (21:41)

Like, Bethany is the origin story, right? Because we see Bethany in season one and two of. Of Roni, and, like, she's funny. Every time the other women are being ridiculous, Bethany is able to cut through that. Like, look at these people. And. But now here she is on social media. It's like, oh, you've now entered that stage in your life where you've started to become totally detached from reality, of too much money, too much fame, and too much time on your phone. And now. Now you've gone down this path. It's like, oh, we're watching it happen.

C (22:10)

Can I just say that I really appreciate the use of your word ossified. That. Great. That is the perfect word for her. And actually, if you look at all of the Roni OGs, you just see such a morality tale, such an allegory for our times in terms of what's happened to all of those women. And I would say the woman who stands in direct opposition to what has become of Bethany is Countess Luanne, who is, for my money, my favorite housewife of all time. And, oh, my gosh, she's just so. Her story is so iconic. It's been through so many narrative loops and hurdles, and now here she is living her best life as a cabaret star and being given lots of spin offs. And did you see that she went on Instagram last week to ask for help in finding her lost Philip Tracy hat? Did you see that? I was like, this is what social media was invented for. I could not have been happier either. I was like, luanne, I'm coming to New York next week. I shall scour the streets to find that hat. That hat belongs on your head.

A (23:11)

Well, I, I'm low key. I'm happy that hat is gone. I think it always looks like so goofy on her. It's like a ski jump on her forehead. It's like, I'm happy, let's move it off of her. But, you know, it was, it was me all along. You know, it's better than that big, like oversized conductor hat she likes to wear. But not for lazy moms. In the comments says something changed when Bethany did that stupid Apprentice show on hbo. I think that is such a good call because Bethany up to that. Do you remember that? Do you ever see that show? It's called like the Big Shot with Bethany Franklin.

C (23:39)

Oh, yes, I did see it. Yes.

A (23:42)

Leading up to that, Bethany had left Rony for the second time and she was now doing Shark Tank and she had the show and she had signed a deal with mgm and she was really like, she was moving into like mini mogul status. She was becoming like a tour de force. And that was always her thing. And then that show didn't do well. And then that seemed like that entire deal just went away. And then suddenly she emerged as a TikTok influencer. And it's like once she started going down that path, that's when it just seemed like the Bethany we knew and loved just lost herself. It's such a strange thing.

B (24:16)

Yeah, that's kind of what I meant with that. You can't argue with the Internet because she became an influencer. So she went to TikTok thinking, oh, this is going to be easy. I'll just do makeup reviews or whatever and I'll get a zillion followers and I'll make a trillion dollars and that's the end of it. And man, you make a misstep on there, they're going to let you know, you know, And I think that that's what eventually made her nuts. Tick Tock. Makes them crazy. That's why they dance with their elbows. They're all looney Tunes.

C (24:42)

They're trying to get out of the straight jacket.

A (24:44)

Yeah, exactly. I, I always. I. Sorry. I was gonna Say one. My last comment was that I always bring up that one time I went on to Bethany's like, YouTube and she just had a video on there that was like, here's everything I hated about France. And I was like, this just sums up Bethany, like this beautiful country that has, like these most amazing cities. Or there's so many elements, I'm sure, yes, I'm sure there's, there's issues in France. But Bethany goes to France and is like, okay, I'm gonna make a video, an hour long video about everything I didn't like in France. Everything was just her being like, you know what? I don't really like this, this rental car. I don't, I don't like it. What are the, what these stations. They're in French and they're like, what am I supposed to listen to? And I don't like this. Put this on the list. It was so Bethany.

B (25:28)

Here'S what I don't like about France. Cheese. Disgusting. Makes you fat. Love to. Why? Why, why would you do that? That's why they hate us. So another thing that happened this week, Ish. Karen got out of jail. Well, she got out of jail a while ago, but she did her sit down with Andy Cohen on Real Housewives of Potomac. Did you believe it? How did you feel about that?

C (25:51)

I believe that Karen believed it, which is different from saying that I did. I, I, I found it an astonishing piece of television. I think the bit where we saw the most emotion was that bit where they filmed her coming out of jail and into the back of the car. And there was a few seconds, it was almost as if she was forgetting that she was being filmed. And I feel like you saw all of these emotions flicker across her face. And then she gathered herself together and then she did her grandam act of, like, winding down the window and waving to fans. And the interview with Andy, I thought it was interesting how much respect and affection there clearly is between the two of them. The fact that he'd sent her a letter and sprayed it with La Dame perfume. And I think he did a good job interviewing her, but she was just going to wriggle out of accountability any which way she could. And her determination not to use the word alcoholism was an interesting choice because in some ways it would have been easier for her to say it and that she deliberately chose not to and chose to blame a heady concoction of prescription meds and maybe having one too many drinks. I mean, this is someone who had four DUIs and ended up in jail. And I think at a certain point, you have to put your hands up and say, okay, fine, I. I do have a problem. And there were so many things that didn't add up. Like she was saying that she was leading AA meetings inside for younger women. And then Andy was like, but you. Why were you leading them when you. You don't appear to have done the 12 step program yourself.

B (27:26)

Yeah, like, is there no training in aa? Is that just something that we can all do? Do? Like, do you just get up there and lead a meeting?

C (27:32)

I have to say, though, I. So I went to Bravocon for the first time ever, as you know.

B (27:38)

I know. I got to finally see you at an elevator.

C (27:40)

It was great. I missed you. 22, and I'd underestimated how vast Vegas is. It was just so tiring to try and get anywhere. But I saw Karen huger not at BravoCon, but at the airport, flying back. So I was getting a flight back to la, and there were so many housewives just in that terminal building, and I was queuing for a Starbucks, and Karen Hugo was right behind me, and she looked absolutely fantastic. And I just share that. And I have to. I have to admit that I did turn around and say, Karen, I just have to say, like, I'm. You know, I'm so glad that you're doing well. Like, I was such a creep. I'm here saying that she should take accountability person. I was like, you just look amazing. And we. The fan base is so glad to have you back.

B (28:33)

You're still allowed to love. You're allowed to love somebody and think they need to take accountability. You know, both things can exist. True. I mean, I don't think it's fake. And trust me, we are. We. We can be fake, you know, because we make fun of all these people and we pass them all. We're like, hey, girl. Hey, what's up, Emily Simpson? Love you. Love you. I mean, come on, spravel con. What are you supposed to do?

C (28:54)

I know. And then on my flight. This is not strictly relevant to what we're talking about, but I went to what Americans call the restroom, and I would call the loo. And when I. The pisser, the crapper. Watch what happens. Crapper. Anyway, and as I came out, literally standing on the other side of the restroom door was Camille grammar. I know. And I was like, I don't think I can say anything about being pernicious right now. I just. I just didn't think it was the time or place. But, yeah.

A (29:30)

I will always remember in probably like November 2001 or January 2002. New regulations were being put on airplanes after 9, 11. And, you know, we suddenly had to, you know, like, random bag checks, you know, and that looks. You remember, they'd pull your bag open and, like, search through it. I mean, they still do, obviously. But then it was like, this had not been done before. And Entertainment Tonight had a camera on, like, on Kelsey and Camille Grammer. And they were interviewing them either, like, I think at, like, on a red carpet about this. And Camille was up there being like, oh, it was terrible. They opened up my bag and they looked through my clothes, and it was so violating. I didn't really know. I just will always remember Camille Grammer before I knew her as Camille Grammer. Just I knew her as Frasier's wife, complaining that someone opened up her bag and looked at her clothes. I was like, lady, get over it.

B (30:26)

Because when she came on Beverly Hills, the way I knew her was I was watching an Oprah episode, and she came on with Kelsey, but it wasn't about him. It was about her ibs. And she was, like, trying to be a spokesperson for ibs and Oprah's like, okay, so, Camille, tell us about your journey or whatever. She's like, it hurts. I. Ibs. It's bad. And people don't understand. Pooping's hard or whatever you go off on when you're talking about ibs.

A (30:54)

And I just.

B (30:55)

The whole first season of that show, all I could think about was Camille's ibs. That's all I could. All I could think about was Camille having trouble pooping.

A (31:03)

So, Elizabeth, your story really brings together both of our stories.

C (31:06)

It really does.

A (31:07)

Aviation and the desperate need for a bathroom. The thread has been completed.

B (31:19)

Elizabeth. Thank you so much for being here. Everybody. Go check out Elizabeth's podcast, how to Fail, available wherever you get podcasts. And also grab her book, one of us at Elizabeth, I'm sorry. Elizabethday.org There we go.

A (31:35)

Thank you so much for next week at the Crappies.

C (31:38)

I'll see you at the Crappies. I'm so excited. Thank you so much for having me. And thank you for everything you do for this community. I don't know what I would do without you week after week. You've really got me through some stuff. So thank you.

B (31:51)

Thank you so much, Elizabeth. We love you. We'll see you next week. Bye.

A (31:55)

Bye.

B (31:56)

Oh, my gosh, what a lovely, lovely.

A (31:59)

Have her on more. Oh, my God. She is. Is my first time, like, talking with her. She is so smart and so Cutting. I love her. I love her. Let's have her on all the time.

B (32:08)

You were out of town when, when I went to drinks and we had the best time. We just went to the Abbey and talked shit. And I was like, can we go to happy hour? And she's like, oh my God, thank you so much for saying that because everybody here wants to go later. And I just like, you know, I like going at 4:30 if I can. I was like, let's just have. We had one martini. We were both buzzed as hell and we were like, let's just uber home. So this is my favorite kind of date. You know, it's like, get it done. It's still daylight outside. You know, take a nap, watch our TV shows. That's my kind of girl right there.

A (32:38)

Wow, that was. Yeah, she was great. So yeah, Elizabeth will be a presenter at the Crappies. And by the way, before we get into other stuff, be make sure you've all start voting on your winners, who you want for the winners because it's really cool.

C (32:52)

Here comes one right now.

A (32:56)

Okay, what's the. Where you want to go to next? Where. Where should we steer the ship to?

B (33:00)

Well, I've been reading these comments which are hilarious as usual. A lot of people are bringing up this Kelly Dodd thing, going after this doctors surgeon, this plastic surgeon. I mean, listen, when it comes to Kelly Dodd stuff, I just scroll past. I want to know. Stuff has been so much that I've watched a little bit of it. I can't come to it from the most educated place, but I'm loving watching this lady hand Kelly dot her ass.

A (33:27)

Yes, I watched. So one of the ladies videos came up on my, on my feed yesterday. So I started to watch it and I just got pulled away from it. So I actually didn't even hear the things that Kelly Dodd said, but I just have to assume that they were probably racist. And I don't know, but I love that this doctor is like handing. Handing Kelly Dodd her ass for saying whatever it is that Kelly said. I'm so uninformed. I'm like, whatever she said, which I don't know what she said.

B (33:55)

The doctors, we're living in a world where if something, you know, something is going to be hideously offensive and gross, why are you pressing play? Just scroll past it. And that's what I do. That's what I did. I'm to the point with her that I'm just like, scroll done. I'm done. So I've seen a little bit of it. Just here and there. One of the things I saw was Kelly coming back at her about something being like, what are you acting like a victim for? No one can be racist against you. You're Indian. You're like a billion people. There's like a billion of you.

A (34:27)

You're not a minority.

B (34:29)

And screaming at her that. Which I was like, okay, well, she's disgusting still. And then this lady coming, and then Kelly posting a picture of her smiling or something, and she closed up on it saying she's ugly and she has bad teeth or something. And this lady's being like, my one little snaggletooth is more beautiful than your trash will ever be. You know, this lady's just letting Kelly have it with such calm and such grace. And that's been pretty funny.

A (34:56)

Yeah, I saw. The doctor said, I understand that Kelly doesn't like plastic surgeons, which makes sense because most people who have had bad work done also don't like plastic surgeons, which was. Which was a funny read. But, yeah, I. I've definitely seen that. That is something that is building up and, you know, fun times. Fun times on that front.

B (35:19)

Yeah. So sorry, guys. I can't go too far into that story because I just wasn't willing to.

A (35:23)

Put myself through it today. What do you think about myself going back to the Jill Zaron stuff? One thing we. I don't. We didn't talk about tonight was the fact that Dorinda was named as the replacement for Jill Zaron on the show. I wonder, like, how do you think that's going to work? Because the other women, really, they live down there in Palm beach, and Dorinda did not, you know, follow the flock down to Palm Beach. And she's not one of the people that is, you know, at the bars of Mar a Lago trying to get in to dance on the dance floor. So how do you think that's gonna be?

B (35:58)

I don't know, because Luann doesn't live down there. She's just. She's probably knows a lot of people down there, but I don't know that she lives down there. It'll probably just be one of those things where they. They all go down there for the summer, you know, and just shoot something, hopefully. But listen, I mean, if you're gonna have. If you're gonna have all of them on, you're gonna have to have all of them on. I don't like this. Like, let's have Kel. Why is Kelly Bensimo down there? She's. She's on it, right? Didn't they Announce that Kelly's.

A (36:21)

She's on it.

B (36:21)

Yeah. So she doesn't live down there either. I think so. I think it's just like a setting for them to all get together. I think it would be fun if they did it. Like the Members Only Palm beach show, where they were trying to get into society and trying to get into Mar a Lago society because, you know that 90% of them, that's what they're into anyway. And just watch them get rejected by the. Or see how they could worm their way in. But. But, you know, who knows?

A (36:49)

Yeah. It's just so funny, you know, going back, you know, there were so many episodes of Roni where they would go down to Florida or they would talk about Florida or Palm beach or like, oh, my God, like, they. They went to Miami. It's like, oh, I know this person. So good to see this person. And like, we always. I guess I don't feel like I truly knew or grasp at that time what the vibe was like in Palm Beach. Like, now we know, like, members only. Palm beach is like, okay, these are people who are all clamoring to get into Mar a Lago. And at that time, I just thought, oh, these are just wealthy people that moved down to Florida. But I just didn't really realize if you go back, probably watching some of those episodes of Roni when they go to. When they go to Florida and they know everyone, it probably has a very different subtext now, which might be kind of, you know, interesting to watch.

B (37:36)

Yeah. I don't know. You know, we'll see. We'll see when it comes out. I'm. They've got a tough road to. Oh ahead of them. I mean, that show was announced, and then it was just nothing but drama. I mean, and Sonya. Bethany's not on the show, obviously. She got a lot of it. And then Sonya didn't really get much because Sonia's heart seems to be in a good place, even though Sonya is kind of ignorant, too. Sonya posted a picture of every Hispanic person she'd ever met. The next day. It was like, I love them. I love these people. So they're just. They're those. It's just that cast. It's like Jill Zarin was just the first. Let's see what else happens.

A (38:15)

But it definitely has put a stink on that show, that's for sure. It'll be interesting to see how it. How it survives. But, yeah, we'll. We'll obviously keep that. Keeping Keep tabs on.

B (38:27)

You. Want to talk about some Lisa Rinna Stuff. Always your trader stuff.

A (38:32)

I love my traitors. So the latest. The gossip. The gossip is that Rinna and Colton got into it on the Traders reunion. They filmed the Traders reunion a few days ago here in la, I think. I think it was la. I don't know. I wonder how they got Johnny and Tara. Maybe they just videoed in from the Olympics. But Colton and Rinna got into it, Got into a fight. And the rumor is that Colton stormed off the set, which is just so Colton to do that. He. Well, specifically he stormed off the set because Rinna was questioning his use of the phrase, I'm gonna hold Rinna hostage, given the larger context of Colton and his life and his crimes.

B (39:15)

So stalker.

A (39:17)

Yeah. Yeah, it's so. I'm like, really excited to see this. I hope Rena just tears right into him. You know, she did the nice thing, which. Where she said, guys, stop cyberbullying him. He was a great nemesis for me on the show, but don't do this. We get along great. Which I was like, that's bullshit. And now, of course, they've had their reunion.

B (39:37)

Yeah, that happened the day after she said on. In a comment somewhere like, oh, coming from a stalker, that's rich. Or something. And then people are Colton. You know, they started coming for Colton and then the network put out a statement like, please don't bully the people from our cast, guys. You know, they come on the show and they don't come here to be bullied. The bullying's bad. And then she came on and she's like, guys, please stop boiling cold. So I think that was all. I don't think that was really from the heart that day.

A (40:04)

Yeah.

B (40:05)

So Lisa Rinna has come out with a new book that reveals Bravo fined her huge amounts for unleashing impulsive opinions on Instagram. So she's supposedly got a tell all coming out of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. And it's called you Better Believe I'm gonna talk about It.

A (40:27)

That's a long title. Well, I feel like it should be called Own it, right? You Better Believe I'm gonna talk about. Yeah. So she is really, like. She seems to have such a complicated relationship with the housewives because it was a very negative experience for her. And she left really upset and really angry. Like, she did not like that Andy published her personal text to him in his book. And yet she's very much, like, circling this area of being a housewife. It's like that. It's. You know, I kind of don't want her to be Mad at the Housewives anymore. I kind of want to welcome her back into the. I want her to be back in the fold. I'm not gonna lie. That's just basically what I'm getting to. It's like, stop being mad. It's part of your life. Just truly own it.

B (41:15)

She can't, though. And that's the. Maybe that's why she didn't call it Own it, because it is a good name for a book. I mean, if you see a book there and it's like, own it. Own me. Buy me. You know, it's good messaging for a book. But she went on a show. She went on a ton of shows. She did a huge press tour after her stint on Traitors, and she was being asked all the housewives questions, and she still really didn't own up to anything. You know, everything was everybody else's fault, and the Munchausen thing was all Lisa Vanderpump and Kyle's fault. I thought it was interesting that she came for Kyle a little bit because that was a changed tune. But, you know, she's not. She doesn't own anything. But that said, she was still very entertaining on the Traitors, so maybe if we can get her in that way somehow on some kind of show that doesn't make her absolutely cuckoo to be part of, you know?

A (42:01)

Yeah.

B (42:02)

You're also back in my house, Lisa Rinna.

A (42:06)

Yeah, we were all so happy to have her back. Like, I think it was just there was a groundswell of enthusiasm to see Lisa Rinna, you know, and that's what's so funny about these shows, that some of these housewives just flame out spectacularly on. On tv, and you're like, never again. Get them off. Go. Good riddance. And then you see them in a different context, and it's been a few years, and you're like, oh, I did love you. I want you back in my life. You know, like, we're. It's such a. Like, it's such a.

B (42:34)

It is like being in a relationship with someone, and you're like, get the hell out of my house. I never want to smell you even again. I'm. I had to wash my sheets five times. I don't even want your scent around me. And then you see them a couple years later, and you're like, oh, my God, that was so fun. And then you fuck them again, and you're like, oh, my God, what did I do? And that was. That was me kind of listening to the podcast. I was like, oh, now you're the same. You're still the same. I went back and I washed my sheets again.

A (42:59)

I think that, yeah, Rinna is just uncomfortable. I think ultimately being the villain, I think she pretended like she really loved it. She's like, I'm the villain. Isn't this amazing? Yeah, I'm a badass. I'm like, eric, I'm going to give everyone the finger. But I think actually at her heart, like, at her core, I don't think she likes being the villain. I think she likes being loved and accepted. And I think it was just a very uneasy thing for her to deal with.

B (43:22)

Okay, so let's go over to something everybody's talking about. And that's Ms. Bronwyn Newport. Ooh, she's all the way.

A (43:30)

Yes.

B (43:31)

So Bronwyn got a separation from Todd. She's been dating this dude named Brandon Good who's a model. And he's fine. He's fine. I mean, this is a good looking man. He's a friend of Christian Siriano. So of course people are like, is this just a pay to play relationship or is this just fake? Because she still is also kind of talking like maybe she could work things out with Todd. And what do you think? Of course, you know I'm cynical. So of course I'm like, that's fake. That's probably fake. But listen, even if it's just a little tryst or you're just making out with him for the magazines, do it. He's hot. You deserve it. You know, you can get on my nerves on housewives, but you go get you some. Brandon Good. Okay. You've got my support, ma'. Am.

A (44:18)

Yeah, a hundred percent. Bronwyn is living her best life right now. She's banging this guy Brandon Good. She's hanging out with Rihanna. There was that video of Rihanna and. And Bronwyn sort of like emerging from New York Fashion Week. She's hanging out with Paige desorbo front, you know, front row at Fashion Week. So Bronwyn is like living an exciting life, which is so funny because it was Lisa Barlow who's like, I love a very different life from you guys. Hang out with Ben and Blake and. But like, it's Bronwyn who is living a way different life than the Salt Lake City women. It's like, it's kind of hilarious. I'm totally in support of this. I want her to, to be with this hot guy, like, do it again, get all the hot dick. Although it's kind of making me feel like, I don't know, like he's sort of this whole thing. Like, it sort of makes me think of the model who woos Jennifer Coolidge in the White Lotus. I'm like, is Bronwyn gonna be okay?

B (45:14)

Yeah.

A (45:14)

Don't go out on the yachts.

B (45:16)

Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, a model who hangs out with Christian Siriano. And I know her big thing with Christian Siriano, and she says it still in, like, every interview. Someone said, oh, you're the new Jen Shaw. She said, I'm nothing like her. For one thing, I pay for every single one of my dresses. Like, that's one of her things. Like, I pay Christian for every ounce of fabric that he uses. I pay. Which is such a weird brag, because I think kind of the brag is supposed to be, you're so famous that no one ever asks you to pay. But anyway, so, yeah, he's like some model that hangs around Christian Siriano. And, yeah, I feel like maybe he's planning on stealing, but Todd's not that stupid. I mean, I don't think Todd's gonna lay enough money around there for some model to come steal, but I don't know. He's up on the screen now. For anybody who's watching this, that man is very cute. Steal whatever you want. I'll leave my pockets unzipped.

A (46:07)

I want to know, what do they talk about, though? Like, what do they talk about? What do you talk about with a hot male model?

B (46:14)

I hope they don't talk at all, Honestly, for her. I hope that her mouth is full the entire time. So then we go over here to this other article from Reality Blue. Bronwyn Newport's best boyfriend Brandon Good's past photo shoot with Luann De Lesseps resurfaces. So, you know, he's been around. He did a Playgirl shoot with luann, August of 2025. Here, I'll show.

A (46:39)

Let me show that he's making his rounds.

B (46:42)

Luann, he seems to kind of be around all of these women in some way. He's kind of in this world. So, yeah, I don't trust him, but he's fine.

A (46:50)

Yeah, he's the Harry Dubin of models. I am curious to know, like, if. Is he going to be one of these people that goes from housewife to housewife? And if. If he is, who will be the next housewife he winds up with?

B (47:06)

You know, I don't know. Whoever's. Whoever's rich and divorcing, I mean, I guess.

A (47:12)

I think so. It'll be like. It'll be some bizarre thing like one of the women from Rhode island or like Ash. Oh, I bet Ashley Darby is so mad that she missed this. This boat. She's stuck making out with Ralph from Love Hotel, you know?

B (47:26)

Yeah, Ralph.

A (47:30)

Yeah.

B (47:30)

All right, well, we need to end the talky talky version of this episode and start chatting with you, the audience on video chat. So we will put a link in the comments for you guys to come on. And everybody who's just listening to this, thanks so much for being here. We'll talk to you. Actually, sooner than a couple of weeks, we will have another episode out next week because we will be doing crappy hour at the South Beach Food and Wine Festival in Florida on the 21st at 2:15pm on the podcast stage over there. So I hope to see some of you Floridians out there and everybody else, we will see you soon. Bye.

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