#3226 RHOBH S15E10: Cult Following

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Episode #3226 RHOBH S15E10: "Cult Following"

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

Original Air Date: February 20, 2026

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Episode Overview

Ben and Ronnie deliver a characteristically irreverent and incisive recap of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season 15, Episode 10 ("Cult Following"). The episode weaves together the usual high jinks and glamour of Bravo’s universe with shockingly serious discussions around emotional abuse, cult experiences, and the ever-ridiculous, ever-resilient world of the Housewives.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Live From Miami: Bravo and Foodies Collide

• The guys record in Miami for South Beach Wine and Food Festival (SBWFF), riffing on Top Chef stars and foodie parties (05:00).
• Ben: “It’s basically like BravoCon for chefs.”
• Ronnie jokes about sky-high prices for Bobby Flay’s charity taco night: “Ten grand for tacos? I still want more.”

2. RHOBH Hamptons Getaway – Rachel’s Hot Girl Breakfast

• The Hamptons crew—Rachel, Dorit, Kyle, et al.—are lounging for "cool, hot girl breakfast" (05:59).
• Hilarious recall of a run-in with Rachel Zoe at a Bravo party.
• Ben (06:22): "She was very friendly, but she definitely thought we were Bravo brass until we clarified we just have a podcast.”
• The girls plan a trip to Montauk, Surf Lodge, and banter about pretending to be morning people.

3. Amanda’s Manifestation Dinner and Muffin Wrapper Dress

• Amanda deals with the fallout from her "manifestation journaling" dinner, bristling that the group doesn’t take her seriously (13:26).
• The guys lampoon Amanda’s dress:
  Ronnie (13:54): "It’s like she's playing Grimace at McDonald's—her arms just sticking out sideways around those ruffles."
• Amanda laments her lack of respect and support from the Housewives regarding her business.

4. Sutton and Sutton – Which Sutton Will We Get?

• Sutton rebrands as Sutton Brown (nee Strack), and the fellas mourn the old, messier version (18:29).
  • Ben: “All she does is squint and smile—bring back Sutton Strack!”
• The gang riffs on LA life, time capsules, and Sutton’s struggles between self-improvement and being TV gold.

5. Amanda’s Cult Upbringing – The Big Reveal

• Amanda discusses growing up in a controlling “youth group” that became isolating and cult-like (43:40–47:45).
  • Erica Jayne (paraphrasing, 44:16): "Get to the cult part!"
  • Amanda details forced relationships, being isolated from family, and finally escaping.
  • Ronnie is underwhelmed: “So you went to church? That’s your cult story?”
  • Ben connects this to themes of emotional manipulation similar to Denise’s arc.

6. Dorit, Divorce, and Denise’s Return

• The hosts cover real-world headlines: Denise Richards accusing Aaron Phypers of abuse (30:13-32:02).
• Denise’s story (68:19): She recounts emotional and physical abuse, especially post-surgery assaults—deeply affecting both hosts.
• Erica Jayne discloses having been abused herself (70:40), bonding the cast in shared vulnerability.

7. The Surf Lodge Night Out – Age, Lies, and Types

• The Hamptons girls hit the Surf Lodge, pretend to recognize the band, and meet Rachel’s “26-year-old” friend (Zander) who is actually 40 (35:34–51:15).
• Hilarious bits about LA “types” and Housewife flirtations.
• Ben: “New trick for name abbreviations: make it longer. Now we call him Zandy.” (54:20)

8. Plastic Surgery Culture – LA vs. Miami

• Denise, Sutton, and Erica discuss face-lifts and plastic surgery (62:30).
• Ben: “Everyone in Miami looks like that flying thing that Bowser uses.” (64:49)
• Ronnie: “I think Sutton looks great. It’s bravery!”

9. Justice, Friendship, and Housewives Hypocrisy

• Ongoing shade about who gets support in the group.
• Kyle’s selective concern called out:
  Ben: "If this was Kyle’s...very happy girlfriend, she’d play the privacy card." (29:13)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Amanda’s Cult:

  • Erica Jayne: "Tell us about the cult, Sarah … did you have a flashback or a symbol on your vagina?" (42:56)
  • Ben, recapping Amanda’s escape: "I did learn some financial lessons from her..." (47:41)

• On Hamptons Activities:

  • Ronnie: "I see buildings and air conditioners, but it’s fun for one part. But then the ocean and somebody parasailing—hi, thin person!" (02:50)
  • Ben: "I’m literally a floating foundation." (06:46)

• Dorit’s Dating Type:

  • Ronnie: "To me, a strongman competition is put a blood pressure monitor on them and watch that thing explode." (56:58)

• Erica’s Legal Woes:

  • Ben: "She lives in a small five million dollar home in Hancock Park. I mean, talk about a poor person, right?" (51:48)

• On Manifestation:

  • Ronnie: "No, stop acting like you're giving everybody the biggest gift in the world by offering your free manifestation class … Give me a break. I don't need your straw with your fucking manifestation on." (12:39)

• On Plastic Surgery in LA vs. Miami:

  • Ben: "Everyone looks like circles within circles. Eyes are circles, lips are circles, noses are circles, faces are circles." (65:14)
  • Ronnie: "You go to LA and think it's bad, and then you come to Miami. Wow." (64:49)

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Important Segments & Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment / Topic | |-----------|----------------| | 05:00 | Miami & SBWFF, BravoCon for chefs, Top Chef sightings | | 05:59 | RHOBH Hamptons getaway, hot girl breakfast, Rachel Zoe party anecdote | | 13:26 | Amanda’s manifestation dinner and “muffin wrapper” dress discussed | | 18:29 | Sutton’s rebrand: Strack vs. Brown, LA time capsules | | 30:13 | Denise’s abuse allegations against Aaron Phypers headline discussed | | 43:40 | Amanda’s “cult” – backstory, details, hosts’ reactions | | 62:30 | Dinner with Denise – plastic surgery and LA beauty standards | | 68:19 | Denise’s emotional/physical abuse detailed, Erica shares similar experiences | | 35:34–54:49| Surf Lodge night out: flirting with Xander, age lies, silly banter |

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Tone & Style

The episode follows Ben and Ronnie’s trademark style: quick-witted, gleefully mocking, but genuinely empathetic during serious moments (notably during the discussion of Denise’s abuse). They seamlessly transition between hilarity and heartfelt, with recurring bits about LA/Bravo culture, Housewives' hypocrisy, and playful nicknames.

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For New Listeners

• Haven’t watched the RHOBH episode? This recap covers all the major plot beats, inside jokes, and real-life headline context.
• Best moments: The cult revelations, plastic surgery banter, and the group’s banter about age and relationships—plus, Ben and Ronnie’s personal Miami and LA observations, and their ability to find laughter in the glamorous, the ridiculous, and even the dark.

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Notable Closing Thought

Ben: "You can get sucked into toxic situations, and that’s why it’s interesting they paired Amanda’s cult story with Denise’s. It happens to anyone, no matter how smart or strong." (71:20)

Ronnie: "Bummer. But it’s not always just jokes. What are you gonna do?" (71:49)

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Transcript

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[Erica Jayne]

How are you?

[Amanda]

Hi.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

Carousel, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Not that week.

[Ronnie Caram]

Is that what it's called when you. You're skiing on a balloon? There's like a big balloon behind you?

[Ben Mandelker]

I think so.

[Ronnie Caram]

Someone's up there. I think they're thin. Hi, thin person.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do you have a view of the ocean? I have a View of. Oh, I have a view of the other direction, and I have a view of the city in the other direction. So I don't see any parasols.

[Ronnie Caram]

I see buildings and air conditions, but it's fun for one part. But then I. The ocean and somebody parasailing. Hi.

[Amanda]

Sweet.

[Ben Mandelker]

I like this. I like being in this beautiful weather and pretending like I get to participate in.

[Ronnie Caram]

I know, girl. You know? I go.

[Ben Mandelker]

But anyway, can't wait to recap. Valley Persian style later.

[Ronnie Caram]

Wow, it's such a nice ocean. And then I just recorded I'm going out there.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, okay, well, let's reconstruct.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know what I see? I see gorgeous scenery and skin cancer. That's what I see out there. I will not be going out there. I'm gonna go. I have to go find a big straw hat or something. No, you're not tricking me. Skin cancer. I'm not going out there. Where?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's really exciting because we're here for the South Beach Wine and Food Festival. It's basically bravocon for chefs. And we went to this party last night, and it was like, all these people from Top Chef were there.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, I mean, it's crazy. Tristan, who won last season, and seeing people stand there, but seeing people who, like, listen to watch what crappens is crazy and that we've been making fun of, and they have such a good sense of humor about it. And, God, I love those ladies. I just want us. I'm gonna go find them tonight and just make them hang out with me all night. We saw Nene, saw Sarah. Who else did we talk to? Oh, my God. We saw not Nene Leaks, by the way, from Top Chef. And we saw our Polish potato princess.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sylvia, Sylvia, Sylvia, Sylvia.

[Ronnie Caram]

Potato. I will make you something we made. Where I come from, potato. They're like, oh, God, another potato. I love that lady. We're having so much fun. I just. And then everywhere you walk, there's food.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it was great. And there were just all these. There are just like, so many Top Chef and Food Network people there. Like, Bobby Flay was there with Brooke, Robert Irvine, and, like, a million top chefs.

[Ronnie Caram]

Bobby, there's that dinners. Was it here at the festival? They were telling us he does dinners, and they're $10,000 a person to go to the dinner. I mean, what the hell? And it was taco night. It was taco. People were paying ten grand a person to go to taco night with Bobby Flay. He looks better in person. Bobby Flay don't You think?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, he looks great. He looks great. I think. I think, to be fair, I do think it was a charity thing. So it's. All the money's going to a good cause.

[Ronnie Caram]

I still want more than tacos.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think I want something more than tacos. I agree. But, yeah, this is. It's super fun. And so they've got all these activities, so we're participating in this. There's, like, a podcast lineup on Saturday, and we're the last podcast of the day, so we're going out at 2:15. And we were originally going to do a crappy hour, but now we're starting to think maybe this would be the right place to do, like, a Top Chef cast preview.

[Ronnie Caram]

Sounds funny, but also, I don't know. These chefs have a sense of humor about themselves, I have to say.

[Ben Mandelker]

It might be rough. Well, we can always go. You can always put it back. But the point is this. We're not going to really know until maybe tomorrow morning. And the other point of it is that there's just all these fun food things going on, and instead, I'm going to be spending probably my entire day inside preparing.

[Ronnie Caram]

We've got crappy stuff lyrics to learn. Okay, I'm coming out for food, and then I'm coming back in here. But, yeah, it is great being here. So thanks for having. Thank you for having us, people. South Beach Food and Wine Festival. And now let's get on to some Real Housewives of Pouverly Hools.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. A very exciting episode of Beverly Hills. So we start in the Hamptons, and Rachel. We're still at Rachel's friend's house, and they're all hanging around, like, Rachel and Dorit and Kyle and the friend and Rachel's sister. They're all just, like, hanging around the kitchen island having, like, cool, hot girl breakfast. And Rachel's like, oh, my God. Like, it's like, morning. It's like, this is like, what I've been missing. Like, morning in the Hamdans. And Kyle's like, rachel, you don't need those sunglasses on. You look really pretty without makeup on. I just want you to know, in fact, like, when you put makeup on, it makes you look kind of, like, old and gross. I guess that's what I'm trying to say.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, my God. Are you okay? Because, like, I'm basically just heels and makeup. Like, that's all I made out of. Like, you could remove my head, my body, and everything else, and I would just be heels and makeup. Shut up.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm, like, literally a Floating foundation. So then she's like, guys, today we're gonna go to Montaux. And then after Montaux, we're gonna go Surf Lodge. Cause I got some friends who are, like, playing at this band. I'm, like, really excited. And I think I've mentioned this story on the podcast how, at the top of this season, Spotify had a party on Rachel Zoe was there. So Courtney and I went up to Rachel Zoe. Courtney from Two Judgy Girls. We went up to Rachel Zoe. Cause we're like, we have to. And we're like, hey, we just saw the Beverly Hills premiere. You were really good on it. She goes, thanks. I was, like, so vulnerable. Like, yeah, but she. She thought we were vulnerable. I was, like, so vulnerable. Like, I was, like, more vulnerable than I ever thought. And she's being really friendly. She was very friendly to us. But she also thought we were Bravo brass. Because when we said that we are. We. We podcast about Bravo, all she heard was, we're. She heard we're from Bravo. So she's being really nice. And then when she's. We were like, no, no. At one point, we realized this, and she's like, so you guys are. You guys work at Bravo? I'm like, no, no, we're podcasters. Oh, cool. Oh, you know what's crazy? The song that's playing is this band, and they're like, my friends. They're, like, over there. It's just crazy because, like, my friends are there, but the song's playing, but my friends are there.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, it's like, what are your friends named?

[Ben Mandelker]

My Friends are Over There.

[Ronnie Caram]

Not podcasters.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, yeah, and she basically, like, left us. She went over to her friends. These guys were her friends on this episode.

[Ronnie Caram]

Is.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was the same guy?

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm sorry, but I have to go talk to Xander. He's 26. Oh, okay. Xander is not 26. Xander Scrotox is 26. The hell are you trying to make me believe that man is 26? You all are so full of it. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, she was so nice to us. But it was also one of those things where, like, it was like, our window. Like, if we were Bravo executives, our window would have been a certain number of minutes. But podcasters only get this many, and I fully support that. Like, she should not have given us any more time, and we were on borrowed time, so. But I just thought, like, I loved her way of getting out of it.

[Ronnie Caram]

I have friends.

[Ben Mandelker]

This music.

[Denise Richards]

It's them.

[Ronnie Caram]

They're over there.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's there. It's, like, crazy. But it's over there. I'm gonna go say hi to them.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Kyle's like, okay, that sounds great.

[Sutton]

I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go get dressed and go for a run.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she's like, oh, my God, you guys, I'm telling you what I'm not doing. Going for a run.

[Ben Mandelker]

Nail that. Carl just runs by. Hey, guys, practicing for a marathon.

[Ronnie Caram]

Let's go to Common Ground.

[Ben Mandelker]

Let's go to the mix. Let's go to the mix in Common Ground.

[Sutton]

Come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

Run, Rachel, run.

[Ronnie Caram]

So now we're back in Beverly Hills and at Amanda's house, and she's going over childcare with Eddie and she. And so I'm gonna take the babies to Newport, and you're taking the big kids camping, right? And then school starts Thursday. Guys, like, five years ago, my life was all about business and making money, and I'm still about those things. But now Family Trump's that. I'm really all about the Trump family now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Did that sound wrong? Someone sent me a clip. Amanda was on selling Sunset.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, yeah, we covered that, didn't we, that season?

[Ben Mandelker]

We probably. I think we did cover that. I definitely watched that season. But we didn't know.

[Ronnie Caram]

Somewhere.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but we didn't know that, of course, at that time, that was Amanda Francis. But she played this super annoying buyer or seller who, like, was making all of their lives hell. And I was like, yeah, she was terrible.

[Ronnie Caram]

She was. She was against Vanita. No, not Vanita. What's the girl's name on there?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I love her.

[Ronnie Caram]

Funa.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I thought her name starts with. She was, like, the one that doesn't fit in.

[Ronnie Caram]

Davina.

[Ben Mandelker]

Davina.

[Ronnie Caram]

Not Vanita, but Vanita. Devita. Devita. Venita. Okay, everybody meet each other.

[Ben Mandelker]

Danny DeVito. She was against Danny DeVito.

[Ronnie Caram]

Her client was Danny DeVita. So her client was Vanita, and she was firing her. She's like, yeah, I just don't like, like what you did. And she's like, oh, my God. You gave me this listing. You're fucking me around. You won't let me do any ads on this listing. She's like, yeah, but I don't really like how you're handling it. She was terrible on there. And you're making us root for Davina. Who roots for Davina on that show? Us.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, yeah, we love Divina. I love Davina.

[Ronnie Caram]

She really got the raw end of the stick.

[Ben Mandelker]

Always. Did she ever sell that mansion?

[Ronnie Caram]

It was like 90s.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. I miss that show. I really fell off that show and I used to always love it. And I guess the rumors are that Christine's coming back. That's what I red in the gossip,

[Erica Jayne]

really.

[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Amanda]

She goes, well, if I'd offered manifestation journaling exercises for free, anyone I know will jump at that. And like, it's not.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah, I'm manifesting that right now. Even if they wouldn't, I just manifested that they jump now.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

No. Stop acting like you're giving everybody the biggest gift in the world by offering your free manifestation class. You told them to open up a journal and write a goal down. Give me a fucking break. That's free anyway, Amanda. And the fact that people are paying you $45,000 for that is ridiculous. Please give me a break. Anybody else would be so grateful. No, we all have our own journals, Amanda. Okay, give me something else. I don't need your straw with your fucking. Your fucking manifestation on. I don't want to drink your manifestations.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So then we see a flashback to the dinner party where everyone's like, what do I do here, huh? You want us to write this down? Okay, that was pretty funny. So then Amanda's like, what?

[Sutton]

Manifestation? What a ridiculous idea. I'm supposed to write down a goal. How stupid.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Amanda's like, I just thought that

[Amanda]

it would be a fun opportunity for the women to learn more about me, but they don't really take me seriously.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's saying that they don't take her seriously as she is speaking over her dress that looks like a series of nested muffin wrappers. And so, like. And it's so funny because these ruffles over her chest are so big that she can't fit her arm around it. Her arm has to stick out like. Like a marionette.

[Erica Jayne]

Just.

[Ronnie Caram]

I know. It's like she's playing Grimace. It's like she's hired to be grimace at the McDonald's. It's just trying to move her arms. High five. Grimace. I knew you couldn't do it, loser.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, she is going to have some great shoulders after this because she is holding up that elbow the entire time to get around the ruffles gesture. So Amanda's like, yeah, they just, like, didn't show up.

[Amanda]

Like, they didn't show the up for the event.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Eddie's like, well, it's annoying. I mean, talk about someone who's not showing up as this guy. Are you awake yet, sir?

[Ronnie Caram]

It's like, yeah, it's really annoying. So then we go to Will Rogers Memorial park, and Bose meets Sutton. This is very Salt Lake City. They're like. And they do this on Beverly Hills sometimes, too, where they're like, let's have an outdoor scene in a park. They're like, why are we at the park? Sutton's disgusted by it. She's like, could we not find a restaurant to shoot in? Because I've never been. I pass it, but I've never been here before on purpose. Because who walks around a park?

[Ben Mandelker]

Be careful what you wish for. Sudden. Because later in the episode, you're going to wind up at a restaurant on Fairfax Avenue. You know, she's like, fairfax?

[Ronnie Caram]

What happened to that place? What happened to Fairfax? I used to work on Fairfax in the golden days. Back in the golden days of Fairfax. I went there recently. I was like, what the hell happened here was economy bombing.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. And the restaurant that they go to is the one that's, like, attached. It used to be Pitfire Pizza, the one that's attached to basically Pops Bage and a coffee commissary. And I just. The idea of sending Sutton there. I mean, I'm over there all the time. I'm always going to pop bagels. But Sutton, I just can't imagine Sutton Going to that little strip mall, like, across the street from the traffic median that has overgrown dry grass on it. She's probably like, what is this disgusting boulevard that you sent me to? So now. But now they're in the park. I may be wrong, but it looked like it's that park in Beverly Hills that you drive by on Santa Monica Boulevard.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's what I thought it was. Why are they having them by the Beverly Hills sign?

[Ben Mandelker]

Bratwich, the most touristy part.

[Ronnie Caram]

I thought so, too, but Will Rogers, I think, is further west. But anyway, who knows? So they see this, like, time capsule. There's like, a statue with the time capsule.

[Sutton]

And Bose is like, oh, this time capsule's not supposed to be open until the year 2114.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's like, well, we're not gonna see that. We're gonna be dead. I'll tell you this much. Sutton Brown, Shrap's already dead. And something Brown gonna be dead, too. She gonna be dead.

[Sutton]

Gonna be dead.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have. I have an announcement. The park we were. It was not. It is not the park that has the big Beverly Hills sign that we're used to on Santa Monica Boulevard. The Will Rogers Memorial park is actually across from the Beverly Hills Hotel. It's one of the corners of that hellacious intersection where there are six roads that come together and only stop signs.

[Ronnie Caram]

That is a little.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was thinking of. No, no, that's. That it. That Will Rogers Memorial park is bounded by Sunset Boulevard and Benedict Canyon and Beverly Drive. And whatever the park I was initially thinking of was the one that's along Santa Monica Boulevard across from, like, the golden triangle of Beverly Hills. And yes, the answer is yes. When you live in Los Angeles, this is what you talk about. People say, oh, people in LA only talk about traffic, roads and the.

[Ronnie Caram]

Absolutely. It's a big part of life.

[Ben Mandelker]

Cause it's thrill. It's a big part of the park for us.

[Ronnie Caram]

Because, you know, the reason is because we have to park everywhere, too. So we all know that park because if you ever go to a street festival or something, there, and then it sounds fun and it's cheap and they've got really good vendors and stuff. And then you have to fucking park. And so you know those streets very, very well. You've been traumatized. That's why. So what do you think?

[Ben Mandelker]

What do you think that time capsule, by the way, that they buried in

[Ronnie Caram]

1914, that's what's in the time capsule. They're like, I tried to park here in the early 2000s, and now look,

[Ben Mandelker]

They are probably like, well, this message is for Delilah. I hope. I love her so much and I hope the city that springs up around her is full of good, Christian, God fearing people. It's like, congratulations, you're in Los Angeles and we're all heathens.

[Ronnie Caram]

Back when Los Angeles had morals. So Bose is something like, well, maybe we can manifest something and then we can find out what's in that time cap. So by manifesting it, you know, it was kind of a clunky entrance into

[Sutton]

gossip, but Boza's like, oh my God, not the manifesting. Ha. I've noticed a stark difference between Sutton and Sutton. You know, Sutton last year was Sutton Strack. What a bitch. Sutton Brown, still very squinty eyed, looks at everything very judgmentally, but she doesn't say it. So that's great. I like it. I'm desperately trying to forget Sutton struck because Sutton Brown I like.

[Ronnie Caram]

No, Sutton Brown's boring. Get rid of Sutton Brown. I want Sutton Strack.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Sutton's track. Are you still here with us? Blink twice if you can. We know you can because you have just announced that you haven't done Botox. So you say this is just where

[Ronnie Caram]

you're pretending to be sober because nobody needs this long term.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah, let's. This is what housewives do. This. And it's always the worst thing that they can do. They always think that if they have, you know, a season where they don't drink as much and they work on themselves, that this will, this will quiet the critics. But actually all it does is get you fired.

[Ronnie Caram]

It makes people root for alcohol. So Bose, I mean, if you're trying to like send out a good message, this isn't the way to do it. You know, this isn't going to get anyone to quit drinking. Everyone's going to look at this and be like, I don't want to turn into Sutton Brown.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I don't. So Sutton says, how do you manifest living forever? That's what I want to know. Well, here's the thing. What she's doing is mostly telling people how to manifest money by taking their money. And Sutton gives a look, like, you

[Amanda]

said it, not me, sister.

[Erica Jayne]

Wow.

[Ronnie Caram]

Sutton Brown would never say that. But Sutton Brown will squint and smile at it. I liked it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sutton Brown liked that Sutton's track would rub her face right now.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Bose is like, well, it was

[Sutton]

cute to see your children. Let's, you know, let's point out that she does have good qualities. And those are the things that crawled out of Her. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God, yes. The children. Those were adorable. Especially that real big, tall child. Oh, he was so cute. That was her husband. Oh, okay.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, the house is beautiful. We can say that, you know, if you're really into farmhouse modern, that kind of thing. But, you know, it's funny, because she

[Ben Mandelker]

had to say, like, wait, sorry. I love the silent 3, 2, 1. From, like, we've given our perfunctory, friendly comments and now. But it's funny, though.

[Sutton]

They're like, well, let's look at the positive aspects. She has procreated, so that's good.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, and she lives someplace. She has a house, so that's good. But, you know, it's a beautiful house. But it's funny, though, because she has to say it like, it has 19 bedrooms and 86 bathrooms, like it always has. Okay. You didn't hear me doing that. People came over to my house. I didn't say when I lived in that house. I didn't say it's got 86 bathrooms on me. I mean, Sutton's track would have. Right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Sutton's basically like, I lived here, bitch. I know how many rooms there are. And we see a flashback of Amanda being like, oh, my God.

[Amanda]

Like, we just renovated, like, eight bedrooms and, like, nine bathrooms. So I've, like, literally done 17 rooms.

[Sutton]

Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Beau's like, well, she doesn't need to quantify her money in order to fit in with the group. All she has to do is take her skin and tie it to the back of her head, and then she'll fit in just fine. Quite literally.

[Sutton]

Amanda wants to prove how far she's come from her childhood beginnings. And a lot of us have come from humble beginnings. But it's not about showing what you have accumulated. It's about showing the journey. The journey. I have more respect for the journey than I do the destination.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. You know, Kyle came from very humble beginnings. You know, she used to live on a prairie, and then she was haunted by a dead maid, wound up being a nurse in the er. I mean, she's really been through so much. She had bangs.

[Ronnie Caram]

That was the roughest. We actually saw a clip of that today. Yeah, they showed a clip where a

[Ben Mandelker]

lot of bangs flashbacks had bangs.

[Sutton]

And they're like, remember the fun times when Kyle had bangs?

[Ben Mandelker]

Humble beginnings. So Bose is like, well, I don't. I don't know if she feels like, oh, I've got a beautiful home, this amazing relationship, these beautiful kids, a booming business. So you can't tell me anything. You're gonna make It. You're gonna make it very far. You're not gonna make it very far that way, you know? And so I was like, well, she has got to understand that I'm gonna manifest her getting a brain in her head. Well, she has to, because she has to do that. Otherwise she'll never fit in. So Sutton says, we are all trying to help Amanda, but the problem is she thinks she knows better. And so the old adage is true. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Okay? And she's refusing to drink. That horse is just journaling on the side of the river, asking for water when the water's not there.

[Ronnie Caram]

That horse is actually making a good life decision for itself. And hopefully now that horse won't be called an alcoholic on Twitter anymore. You know, sometimes the horse just has to say, I don't need to drink. My last name is Brown now. Hey, you're in my house. Please don't call me a horse.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know, guys.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know, Matt is gonna get a horse.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Amanda tells Eddie, and she's gonna

[Ronnie Caram]

be like, you called me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she will be a horse.

[Ronnie Caram]

So sudden. And that really hurt me.

[Amanda]

So now I'm a horse, and I'd like to ask to draw a boundary around that, because I would prefer not

[Ben Mandelker]

to be called a horse.

[Ronnie Caram]

All I did was show you manifestation. And a horse.

[Amanda]

I mean, a horse is a horse.

[Ben Mandelker]

Of course, of course. And I have a course about that. Of course, of course.

[Ronnie Caram]

Never before has a horse. Of course. And never had a horse. A horse and something. Mr. It. I used to know that song.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, no, It's a horse is a horse, of course, of course. And a horse takes a course, of course. And if a horse wants money, that's why you call it manifested.

[Sutton]

Well, I don't know if she wants to feel like, wow, wow, wow, wow. What's she doing? She's got to listen. She's got to listen.

[Ronnie Caram]

Sutton's like, yeah, we're trying to help her. So then we go to Amanda's house, and she's still talking to Eddie, and she's like, well, I mean, the salad course is barely on the table, and already I have to hear how it's, like, my fault that Dorit and Kyle had that exchange at dinner. Like, it's my fault. He's like, oh, my God, they still want to talk about the Dorit. Bullshit. Oh, my God, Read those bitches for filth.

[Amanda]

No, Kyle had a really strong opinion about Dorit talking about her ex. And I said, like, One thing about it at one dinner party, you know, like, I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, yeah, there were times after my breakup where I didn't want to hear about it, and I just didn't want to hear other people's opinions about it, and I just didn't want to hear any of it. And Amanda looks at him like, are

[Amanda]

you backing me up right now?

[Ben Mandelker]

Because it sort of sounds like you're.

[Ronnie Caram]

I really wanted them to just leave the cameras rolling and see what the reaction was because you know that it was like satanic eyes coming from Amanda, like, beams at him like, really? This is when you're gonna bring off your divorce right now to stand up for Dorit? Really?

[Erica Jayne]

Really?

[Ronnie Caram]

You're not getting your allowance this week.

[Ben Mandelker]

If I could have clearance over these ruffles, I would slap you. So Amanda says, you know, Eddie has

[Amanda]

been through a divorce with young children involved, and he's a very compassionate and

[Ben Mandelker]

non judgmental and sort of non awake person.

[Amanda]

And even with that in mind, I don't think that what I said warrants

[Ben Mandelker]

this level of scrutiny. He's like, well, you just don't know each other yet. And maybe she's like, intimidated because you're younger.

[Amanda]

Oh, because I'm young and successful and I'm not financially dependent on a man.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she outsourced her financial well being to a man, and that didn't go so well.

[Ronnie Caram]

This was so good. And we saw this in the trailer, but I just love this. This needs to be memorized and said forever. It's like the most iconic thing Amanda did was that line. Yeah, yeah. Because I'm young.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was great.

[Ronnie Caram]

Because I'm young and successful and I'm not financially dependent on Amanda. She outsourced her financial well being to AM. That didn't go well.

[Ben Mandelker]

I feel like Ariana did that once on Vanderpump Rules. I just can't remember what it was. She said that about saucy. She said something like that about Saucy.

[Ronnie Caram]

Erika Jayne's like, well, burglars came, then

[Erica Jayne]

Tom was blind, then his car rolled

[Ronnie Caram]

down a hill, whatever that whole thing was. So Eddie's like, well, if that was her decision, instead of being independent, then yeah, that's on her. I mean, you know, girls got to choose. You know what I mean? Baby, you're a firework. Come on, let your colors burst.

[Amanda]

Seriously, Eddie, have you ever seen a plastic bag before?

[Ronnie Caram]

You can take a. You can take a wind, you can take a firework to the fourth of July, but you can't Katy Perry that bitch to life. You know what I mean? Someone's gotta light it.

[Ben Mandelker]

You can take a firework to your chest, but you can't light your bra on. Can't make em light their own bra.

[Amanda]

You know what I'm trying to say? I'm gonna stop now. Anyway. Why does Dorit care about my opinion if she's so sure that this is her pat? Then do your thing. Fuck up your life, whatever.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, but the same thing goes for you, Amanda. You shouldn't care either. You should be like, yeah, I did say it. Who cares? Sorry. You care too much. So now we go back to the Hamptons, and we're at Rachel's friend's house, and they're sitting by the pool and stuff, and Kyle is calling.

[Erica Jayne]

She's FaceTiming Erica Girardi. Oh. Well, you missed Amanda's dinner party. Of course, the conversation turned into what happened at the dinner the night between you, Dorit and Amanda, and Sutton told her, listen, you need to say what you said, and it's your own opinion. Stop referring to Kyle. Because you caused a fight between Dorit and Kyle. I don't know. Are you upset, Kyle? You really upset? Everybody's very upset. Bunch of women. Goddamn women.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, as someone who met Donna Karen last night and got invited to hang out with Donna Karen in Malibu, I just want to say this. What I think is confusing for Amanda is that, like, everyone's like, you have to have your own opinion. And yet she may be thinking, here I am voicing my opinion, and everyone's like, like, why were you talking about Dorit's marriage? And, like, pick a lane. Like, I'm gonna choose the lane that takes me to Malibu to Donna Karen's house. Am I right, guys? Because I'm hanging out with Rachels. I'm, like, in a new crowd now. Anyway, she can't. She's allowed to have an opinion. She didn't say anything horrible.

[Ronnie Caram]

Guys, Amanda's a great, great person. But you know what? Amanda is fighting Kyle's dragon, so Kyle's gonna be on her side no matter what. Which I think is pretty funny. Although Kyle does kind of have a point. They're really harping on this. Everybody was talking about it. Everybody was like, yeah, Dorit, I. I

[Ben Mandelker]

think it's all of the above. I think, first of all, yes, everyone's talking about it. Second of all, I do think it was largely Kyle who was leading it, and I do think that Amanda was largely just agreeing. But Amanda did have an opinion. But I don't think, like, I don't. I actually don't think Amanda's opinion was, like, the worst thing in the world. And you're on a reality show. Kyle's actually right. You know what? Kyle's actually right.

[Sutton]

You're.

[Erica Jayne]

They're allowed.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're allowed to say what you want to say about things and have opinions about things. And there will come a time when Doritz can have an opinion about something and she's not gonna want to be told, like, don't have an opinion. She'll be like, oh. In fact, she actually did it last week.

[Amanda]

She was like, am I allowed to speak? Am I allowed to speak?

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm not allowed to speak around Kyle.

[Ronnie Caram]

Look at my lips.

[Ben Mandelker]

She did a whole Beetlejuice bit.

[Erica Jayne]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

But that being said, I mean, Amanda sucks, but.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, it's just funny because Kyle's sticking up for the suckiest person of the cast because they're going for who Kyle wants, you know, so she's like, yeah, of course. That's great. Meanwhile, if this was Kyle's very happy girlfriend.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I was just about to say that.

[Ronnie Caram]

Someone said it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just about to say it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, how dare you? You know, I have a little privacy. How could you do this? You can't do this to the LGBTQ community.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kyle's like, unless you gathered everyone around before we started shooting for the season and told them they're not allowed to bring up people in my. In your, like, romantic sphere, then sure, you're allowed to have an opinion. But if you didn't tell them ahead

[Ronnie Caram]

of time, Amanda can talk about trying to Reid's husband. It's not like she's married to a country star.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Erica's like, well, I'm going to

[Denise Richards]

dinner tonight with Sutton and Denise.

[Ben Mandelker]

Should be a pretty light, fun hearted. Fun, fun, fun time.

[Denise Richards]

I was on Fairfax Avenue, though. Gosh, can't wait to see something reaction to that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kyle's like, oh, wow. Yeah, I texted Denise. I was like, are you in the Hamptons too? Oh, is that just me? She didn't really get a response to me, but I can't believe what she's going through.

[Ronnie Caram]

True.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we see real life headlines, which are not funny at all, that we've all heard about and seen about the abuse that Denise has been enduring from that asshole Aaron Phypers.

[Ronnie Caram]

Fucking monster Aaron Phypers. And we see Denise Richards accuses husband Aaron Vipers of violently choking and threatening to kill her in a restraining order.

[Erica Jayne]

So Erica's like, well, I'm sure I'll get us an update. Don't worry, Kyle. But you know what the most important thing is that you're feeling things and that you sent her a text. That's what's important.

[Denise Richards]

Yeah, you said there a text. That's what matters.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we go. Erica's like, you know, she's saying she feels really bad for Denise because it's just a chaotic place to be in. And how last year, basically, Erica met up with Denise last year, and they both decided, you know what? Like, let's. Let's leave the past in the past. Let's just, like, move forward. So Erica's like, well, I'm looking forward

[Denise Richards]

to seeing you and giving you a big old hug.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Kyle's like, say hello to. Say hello to her for me.

[Denise Richards]

He's like, I will.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm talking about Donna Karen. Cause we're, like, friends now. Who are you talking about?

[Erica Jayne]

And Erica's like, well, you know, there's that clip going around of him squeezing her hand and stuff. And, you know, I knew I didn't like how he was talking about. He was talking to me and Teddy.

[Ronnie Caram]

And so we see the clip of when she and Teddy were coming for him. And wasn't that, like, the sudden opening or whatever?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, this is when Kyle had her Bengals.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yes. This is the bangs phone call. And he's like, oh, really?

[Erica Jayne]

You want to start that with me? Oh, really?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, really?

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, God, I can't wait to see that man with a dick without a home. We need an eviction to be Batman at all. And his parents. And his fucking parents, too. We're like, I could do kick inside of the house. We deserve this house in Malibu. We of the dogs. Get the out of here. Both you. You raise that. All of you, get out.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Commercial.

[Erica Jayne]

Here comes one right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now it's a little bit later in the Hamptons. It's time to get some glam on. Makeup. That's all I am.

[Amanda]

Makeup.

[Ronnie Caram]

And, guys, guess what it is.

[Amanda]

Heels.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's girls night.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So much. So much drama is about to happen. So they're getting ready, and they get in the car, and we're just like, girls night. Because it girls night. I'm so glad I didn't wear my, like, horish outfit that I was gonna wear because it was like, a lace skirt and then, like. But had, like, a G string and, like, it shows. Your entire butt cheeks have been, like, crazy. Right, guys?

[Ronnie Caram]

Wow, Kyle, that's something I haven't seen you in, so that would have been great. I want to See Kyle. I want to see Kyle be the Kyle that I always heard. Kyle was, like, not with a bonnet or, like, scrubs. The one that was always doing the splits. I was like, oh, God, we don't see the splits enough. Now we have to get a montage of the splits, and then we get bangs doing splits.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. No one has literally requested Kyle to do the splits or do her ponytail thing ever. Except for Rachel Zoe. Rachel Zoe oddly fascinated by Kyle's splits. Please don't, don't, don't. Don't ask for things.

[Ronnie Caram]

You remember when Kyle was coming back.

[Ben Mandelker]

Please don't. Oh, my God. Yes. So they get to the surf lodge and they. They see the owner, and Rachel's like, oh, my God, I haven't seen you since Aspen. Oh, my God, it's so good to see you.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm gonna just start saying that to people. We'll see how they react. Oh, my God, So good to see you. I haven't seen you since Aspen.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's, like, amazing. Like, oh, my God, it's been so long since I've been in Aspen. All my friends are in Aspen. Oh, my God. I'm definitely not wallowing in this separation.

[Amanda]

I've been out probably for, like, the

[Ben Mandelker]

better part of the last year. I've, like, traveled, and I've danced more than I've danced in the last 10 years. Like, I'm literally dead. My legs are dead from dancing. Dancing in the death. Death dance. Death becomes her, and her is my legs.

[Ronnie Caram]

I just love the idea of Rachel being such a dance addict when she's basically in a feathered caftan. Every time we see, like, what is it, just like a wind sock? Is that what it looks like?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she's just swaying. She's basically like streamers on a tree.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. I'm not wallowing in the separation, by the way. It's the fifth time I've mentioned it in this episode. And Dorit's like, well, it's been a

[Erica Jayne]

long, long time since I've been out

[Ronnie Caram]

and letting loose, dancing with the ghouls.

[Erica Jayne]

But during my single days in New York City, the sun would be coming up and I'd be walking back to my apartment. Ooh, those days.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm just having visions of Dorit circa the year 2000 in Manhattan, going to clubs and, like, the song blue comes on.

[Amanda]

She's like, this is my jam. It's blue. Da boo dee da boo dah dah bo dee da One da.

[Erica Jayne]

One day I want to marry a man who turns this color when it gets below 50 degrees outside,

[Amanda]

I get knocked down. But I get up again. You're never gonna throw me around. That's the song that Pringles cans sing to pk.

[Ronnie Caram]

So they're kind of standing around, you know, listening to music and Kyle's like, oh my God.

[Sutton]

I do not remember the last time Tariq and I would go out and

[Ronnie Caram]

have fun like this.

[Sutton]

Everyone's crazy. Play the splits montage again. Do it again.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is like so fun. And we also see Rachel. She's like, guys, guys, this is my friend. His name is Xander. Like, of course Rachel knows someone named Xander who's in the band. He's in the band. Xander? Yeah, he's 26.

[Ronnie Caram]

Hey Xand. Hey, Xand.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, he's young.

[Amanda]

Hey Xand. Xand.

[Ben Mandelker]

Love your hat. You're such a musician. You're so cool. I could like dance for months and months to your music, Xand. Oh my God, love. You know, most people call him Xand. I just call him Zen. Just cuz it's like I know I'm like a little bit better than most people. So we're just like Zen, Zen.

[Ronnie Caram]

If we ever make out, I'm going to just start calling him Z. We're going to be so close. It's going to be like, yeah, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sometimes it's just. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, he's just like so. He's like so musical. But he's like. He's like really deep. Wait, I think his music's like playing right now. But he's like right there. It's like crazy.

[Ronnie Caram]

Zan, I wanted you to meet my friends. They're not podcast people. You can talk to them. Yeah. So then we go back to Beverly Hills and Bose is going for a walk with Lael. And they're talking about how Lael is supposed to be getting a job.

[Sutton]

Lael, Lael, Lael, please don't leave me. Lael. What am I gonna do without you?

[Ronnie Caram]

So they start talking about how she needs a job. And she's like, no, I'm not doing it. Everything's hard. It's junior year.

[Sutton]

She's like, you know what? Everyone says junior year's hard. That's just their opinion. For you, junior year could be the most amazing year of all time. Stop being negative about the junior year. This is your journey. Write it down in a journal.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just kidding.

[Sutton]

That's stupid.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, they're not called Senior Mints, they're called Junior Mints. It's a great time of year. So Bose says that for 16 years, Lael has been right by my side. I have to watch for. Watch on her for 24 hours a day because I'm tracking that child. Okay. When she leaves, I'll still be able to track her. Thank you, technology. But I won't be able to check in on her and see her face and body language. I just have to believe whatever she tells me, and I don't know how to deal with that. I need to lay eyes on my girls. I need to see Lael.

[Ronnie Caram]

So, you know, it's like the typical,

[Sutton]

oh, you're going away to college.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm gonna be so sad. So Boz is like, well, I'm trying

[Sutton]

to get you a replacement here, but it's a little difficult.

[Ronnie Caram]

And so they start talking about the egg therapy and all this. IVF therapy. Egg therapy.

[Sutton]

I asked my eggs this morning. I said, how are you doing? They said, I'm feeling scrambled.

[Ben Mandelker]

They said, I'm feeling like, calm down eggs.

[Sutton]

Calm down eggs

[Ben Mandelker]

Sunnyside.

[Sutton]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So they're talking about her IVF journey, and she's like, you know, I don't know if I should get an egg donor or what I should do. And she says, you know, she has a newfound respect for people who go through IVF multiple times because it's hard. You know, it's a lot of hard work. And so Lael's like, you've been a great mother to me, and I would love somebody else to be able to experience that.

[Sutton]

And she's like, thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. You can keep the car for another month.

[Ben Mandelker]

You did it. So now we go to Amanda's house, and Erica shows up, and Amanda just has, like, the front door open.

[Denise Richards]

And Erica's like, well, this doesn't seem very safe. Okay, I'm gonna come on in.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she comes in, and Eric and Amanda's like, hi. And then Amanda does this thing where she sort of, like, closes the door most the way, but not all the way. Then Erica closes it the rest of the way. And I was like. Like, there were. I just kept on thinking about this. Was Amanda just trying to have the door open? And was Erica like, no, but you're gonna close the door, or was she like, I can only push the door at this bar. I need someone to help me.

[Ronnie Caram]

I manifested that door closing, and now it's closed.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I was like, why are you.

[Ronnie Caram]

I think it was for production, collaborating on this. You're supposed to leave it open so production can follow her in or whatever.

[Erica Jayne]

And Erica's like, fuck, Production. What have they ever helped me?

[Denise Richards]

It's called realism. Okay, I'm closing it for you.

[Erica Jayne]

I'm a feather.

[Denise Richards]

Speed, dumb bitch.

[Erica Jayne]

Actually, a method. Close the door.

[Ronnie Caram]

So she comes in and she's like, I'm giving you coffee, but, like, I'm gonna do it, like, in, like, my promotional comp. And yours says, money is my mood. And Erica's like, perfect.

[Erica Jayne]

Love it. Yeah, money is my mood. And Dick. Dick's my mood. You got one that says, thick is my mood?

[Amanda]

Here's the thing with Erica, and I'm going to speak in an extra baby voice about this. She's someone I thought I'd never understand or, like, get along with. But every time I talk to Erica, I like her more. She's interested in my business and my thoughts about manifestation.

[Ben Mandelker]

I like this woman. I'm like, I guarantee Erica hates you.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm telling you that right now about your manifestation business. And if anybody knows about manifestation, it's Erica. If anybody needs lessons on manifestation, that's who to ask. Erica was, like, on the down and out. Met Tom. Like, lived this life on private jets in a mansion with the church in it. Okay? Now she got sick of Tom. Now look where Tom is. He's in jail. Sure, Erica's not doing great right now, but she's sure come up a long way since she was on her down and outs this last time. She's doing just fine. I mean, listen, I'm not Erica's biggest fan, but if I'm gonna learn to mast manifest from anyone, it's her.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she. She can. She's scrappy. So.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Erica steps. There's all these ground, and they're. They're going outside, and Erica just sees all the toys, and she's like, oh,

[Erica Jayne]

Jesus, this place is up. Kids. Kids. Disgusting.

[Denise Richards]

All right, dumb, dumb. How'd you feel about last night?

[Amanda]

I mean, I felt good in moments.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, by the way, also, Erica having to go right back to Amanda's house the next day. Geez, can you make a Dr.

[Ronnie Caram]

The cop that says, money is my mood?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I mean, that's a schlep to go from hand. Losing all their filming because they've.

[Ronnie Caram]

We've seen them film in a park today. We saw them film, like, Bose was just like, what was she at the LA River? Where was she?

[Ben Mandelker]

She was off of Sunset across the Beverly Hills Hotel.

[Ronnie Caram]

Ben, run your maps.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, according to data, they were at the Will Rogers Memorial Park.

[Denise Richards]

Erica's like, so how did you feel about last night? I'll tell you how I felt stupid. What a waste of time. Am I right? Should I write that in my journal?

[Amanda]

And she's like, well, I felt good in moments.

[Denise Richards]

Well, my best advice to you, and you could tell me to off, because I'm not really listening to whatever the you say, is that, you know, if you say something, say it right away. Okay, so say something.

[Ronnie Caram]

I hear you. So, like, I'm quickly. Is what you're saying.

[Erica Jayne]

You know what?

[Denise Richards]

Let's get.

[Erica Jayne]

And I had a hard time in this group. I also had a really hard time last night because I had to sit on a dining bench. You know what that's like? So now listen. My personal life was so turned upside down. There was a lot of judgment about it. And.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she's like, oh, my God. From people who've known you from a really long time.

[Erica Jayne]

Yeah. I mean, you know, suddenly everybody cares about orphans and burn victims. I mean, bunch of bitches, you know, it didn't feel good. And it's an odd thing to be vulnerable and open and say you don't give a fuck about anybody but yourself, but I did it, and I feel much better now. Do that.

[Denise Richards]

And also, while you're at it, tell

[Ben Mandelker]

us about the cult, Sarah, Because Eric is like.

[Denise Richards]

I mean, she told us she was in the cold, and she opened up this line of conversation and questioning. So, like, how bad was it? What was it about? How'd you get in? How'd you get out? Are there any hot guys in there? Do they have money?

[Erica Jayne]

Let me know. Did you have flashback or a symbol on your vagina?

[Denise Richards]

Know.

[Erica Jayne]

Just let us know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, and by the way, for the record, Amanda did not open up this line of questioning. It was Dorit, who's like, why are

[Amanda]

you having a hard time with this conversation?

[Ben Mandelker]

You already cult or whatever that she said. That was like a non sequitur.

[Ronnie Caram]

So she's like, okay, you want to know about the cult from the beginning?

[Erica Jayne]

Okay, yes. I go later. Talk about your back. Go ahead. Tell me everything. So Erica's like, I mean, this is new for me. I've known a lot of people. People. All right, well, I've not known a lot of people in a cult. Well, that's not true. I did know one person in that Nexium thing, but, you know, whatever, that's passe. I need a new cult. Who doesn't?

[Ronnie Caram]

So she's like, what? Tell me about the cult. So Amanda's like, well, when I was in high school, I was in a youth group.

[Erica Jayne]

Oh, wait. So what was it like, Christian or Something, or were you just dating young people? This is. Was this, like, twink centric or expanded?

[Amanda]

No, my parents are not religious, but I was in a very religious community, so I chose religion, essentially. And growing up in this, the literal buckle of the Bible belt, in a family that wasn't religious, I was always curious about God, and I loved going to church with my friends, and I was kind of exploring what religion was to me, and I don't think that was a bad thing for me.

[Erica Jayne]

Okay, get to the cult part. Get to the cult part. Started fucking twins. Get to that part. When were you.

[Denise Richards]

When did you start wearing white robes and putting on sneakers and waiting for a spaceship?

[Ronnie Caram]

When you.

[Erica Jayne]

Tom Cruise there, did you have to have sex with him and Nicole Kidman wearing masks that look like crows? Yes or no?

[Amanda]

Well, my youth group was in Oklahoma, but the founder started a church in Florida, and a lot of us followed him. And the longer we were there, the more controlling he got. He started telling us who to marry, who to date, who to be friends with.

[Denise Richards]

And Erica's like, get out of town.

[Sutton]

Down.

[Amanda]

No, that's what I did. I moved to Florida.

[Denise Richards]

Oh, no, it was an expression, but that's fine.

[Erica Jayne]

I just like to say I'm never been so sad after hearing a story. I mean, Oklahoma, Florida, just kill me.

[Denise Richards]

A lot of cults always go to those places. Why can't they go someplace cool? Like, I don't know, the Lower east side of Manhattan?

[Ben Mandelker]

So Amanda's, like, saying that the church was trying to isolate her from her family and that she. She mentioned to the pastor that she had talked to her sister, and he was like, wow, like, you would make your sister think that being. Being with Jesus is not the greatest life imaginable. Why would you talk to your sister? So this guy would, like, cut her off from. Isolate her from her family.

[Ronnie Caram]

I mean, I grew up in a very. You know, I've talked about it here before. I won't go on forever. Don't worry. But I grew up in a very, very, like. I mean, my first church, my first school was called Jesus Chapel Couple. And I mean, that's just how I grew up. I grew up in, like, a crazy religious. You know, there's, like, different levels of religion, right? Especially Christianity. And I think I grew up in one of the crazier one with my meemaw talking tongues over dinner and stuff. I've told you about that. So to me, I'm just like, so you went to church? I need more. I need more from a cult story than you went to, like, a crazy church with a controlling preacher. Because, I mean, I don't know, maybe that's why I'm fucked up. Maybe I wasn't a cult. I don't know. But I needed more from this story. This has been a lot of buildup. And I was like, so you went to church. Did you have to make, like, scenes about Moses or, like the. Did you ever have to make, like, an arc scene, but, like, with cutout felt? Cause I did.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. It's very culty.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's very culty. So she's like, yeah, I was isolated and I was controlled, and I was cut off.

[Erica Jayne]

And Erica's like, oh, sounds good. So the twinks.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she's like, well, you know, like, we had to pay money to the church, too, which is how churches work, you know, Cause tithing and stuff.

[Erica Jayne]

And so Erica's like, yes, you were financially isolated.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, yeah. So she was saying that she didn't want to get in trouble with the pastor being caught talking to her family and stuff. And so that's why it was a cult, basically, because they were trying to separate her from her family. So On Halloween in 2008, she went to church. She volunteered so everything would seem normal. And then she drove to her sister's house in Orlando.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And she's like.

[Amanda]

And after I left, the pastor called me with some rage and anger and was, like, definitely directed towards me. And he said not to contact anyone from the church because they looked up to me and might be influenced by me leaving. And I said, I'm never gonna be in a cult again, but I will

[Ben Mandelker]

charge people thousands of dollars to learn

[Ronnie Caram]

how to isolate some. You know, she's like, I've. She's like, I've been to this.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I. I did learn some financial lessons from her.

[Ronnie Caram]

They wanted money from me, and they tried to control me, and I learned everything that I could from them, and I moved on. Thank you. That's my. That's my cold story.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thank you. So she's like, after.

[Amanda]

You know, and after that, I just wanted to make something of myself in my life. So I planned to get my degree. I made my own money, and I

[Ben Mandelker]

decided to help people by taking their money and then telling them that.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's by charging them $500 for mugs that say I'm in a money state of mind or whatever.

[Erica Jayne]

And Erica's like, well, this is the story we need. That's what the group needs to hear about you. Especially the part about you fucking all the twinks Wait, I never said. I love that part. Little youth groups. Sign me up.

[Ben Mandelker]

So back at the surf lodge with Xan, and the women are now sitting at a table.

[Ronnie Caram]

Somebody who doesn't know Zan.

[Ben Mandelker]

Zan. Zan Dori. Dorit. Like, hasn't been in an environment like this. And how do we. When was the last time you were in, like, a super cool party with, like, young people just, like, dancing? But no, not away. Just, like, cool and hip like me. Like, when was the last time?

[Erica Jayne]

It's been Ducatis. Seriously.

[Sutton]

The cardi's God's like, oh, my God. Well, this night has just begun, ladies.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, we're gonna be doing splits all over that stage when we're done with dinner. So they order food and everything, and then Zan Za, Za and his friend with a bouffant arrives and they, like, sit at the table. It's like, oh, my God. Like, cool people are at the table. Zen down, guys.

[Ronnie Caram]

Are you from Los Angeles? He's like, no, I'm from New Jersey.

[Erica Jayne]

Oh, in east coasta.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm in East Coasta all day long.

[Erica Jayne]

I've been to the east coast of

[Ronnie Caram]

every country on the planet.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that's cool. Can I get a cocktail?

[Denise Richards]

Oh, yes, yes, of course.

[Erica Jayne]

Yes, yes.

[Amanda]

Let me pat my eyes at you

[Ben Mandelker]

a little bit more so you see that it's an attractive woman right here in front of you.

[Erica Jayne]

Young men come and ask us for cocktails.

[Ronnie Caram]

The world has changed in such a lovely way, isn't it?

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, it's funny because, like, when I look at our friend group, like, Dorit really is the one who flirts the most. Like, she likes to tease them. And then, like, we'll meet someone and talk to her off, like, surprise. What a flirt, right? I'm like, I don't know, Kyle. I saw that music video with you and Morgan.

[Ronnie Caram]

So yeah, that was pretty good.

[Erica Jayne]

So she's like, oh, so how old are you guys?

[Ronnie Caram]

He's like, 26.

[Sutton]

Lies.

[Ronnie Caram]

Sorry, I was just sitting here, like,

[Ben Mandelker]

they're all lying here. They're all lying. He's like, 26, 20.

[Amanda]

26, 20. That's a two at the beginning of that, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, yeah. And he goes, no, I'm 40.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, I didn't.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then Rachel's like, oh, you know,

[Ronnie Caram]

I was like, I'm so glad we have notes, because I was like, this man is such a liar. I was. I don't know why I was so mad. I think I was mad because I just haven't found Whatever Botox he uses. Because I was like, that's amazing. If he's 26.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Zan doesn't really give out his Botox to anyone. Okay.

[Ronnie Caram]

He's like, actually, I'm 40. And Rachel's like, oh, my God. Same age as us. You guys, I have a story. I have a story. This is so good. So I went to an Oscar party last year and there was this guy and he asked me for my number and I was like, how old are you? And he was like, 26. And I was like, same, same.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I was like, I turn 27 next month. I cannot. We just, like, laughed. Cause like, being a fellow elder millennial, he's just like, gets my humor right.

[Ronnie Caram]

So, guys, I saw this thing on my feed about Erica. I texted her. I'm worried about her. That's what we do in the show when we're worried. When we're super worried about people, we text them. And so we see the headline, erika Jayne headed to trial. Over $25 million spent during Tom Girardi marriage. And three, it's like, wait, I don't understand.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Kai goes, well, she's headed to trial and what do they think they're going to get? Like $25 million from her back? I mean, she doesn't even have that. I mean, hello. She lives in a small 5 million dollar home in Hancock Park. I mean, talk about a poor person, right?

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't know anything about this. I try not to read about poor people. It's just so depressing. But I just want to make sure she's okay. So I sent a text. Yeah, well, it's obviously bad news.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

And I mean, I don't know if she knew that was coming. Yes, Kyle, it's one of the same lawsuits that's going on for like four years now. I love it that Kyle just never pays attention to anything. This is not a new lawsuit. This lawsuit has been there.

[Denise Richards]

Kyle.

[Ben Mandelker]

Za za za. You want to send a text to Erica, it means you care. Because guess what we also have to say you don't care about any of this stuff because you're not materialistic about that kind of stuff. Like, you don't care about the money. All you care about is the person, which is why we only go to super exclusive parties. Okay, okay. So text, text him. And so Kyle's like, yeah, okay, well, I'm just like, really worried. I'm just like, so worried because, like, it seems like when she gets past one situation, another one pops up. And then you hear numbers like, this. And you think, like, what does that mean for her future? Like, forget emotionally, but financially, this is like a lot of weight to carry. And, you know, I don't say that phrase lightly. I'm like, everyone has to really just calm down. Erica will be fine. She has a very robust singing career to fall back on, guys.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, Someone said she's about to DJ at the New York State Fair. So, yeah, she's killing it. So back to the table. Rachel's like, yeah, you guys, it's like fucked up. And so they're like, oh, my God, what is she gonna do now? She has to pay for lawyers.

[Erica Jayne]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

I still can't feel sorry for Erica. I'm sorry. I think Erica's having a good season. Erica's had a good past couple of seasons, and I would say probably one of the better reputation rehabs we've seen on these shows. She's doing a good job, but, yeah, I still don't feel sorry for her. And justice for Marco.

[Denise Richards]

Marco.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Xander, he's like, yeah, hey, we gotta go. We gotta, like, do something.

[Ronnie Caram]

This has been really fun to like, not 40 year old gossip, but we gotta go. Sorry. By the way, do me a favor and add a d back to the end of my name. We're done here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. Like, that's actually the new thing. The new thing, like when you're like abbreviating someone's name is actually make it a little bit longer. So like now we call him Zandy. Yeah.

[Erica Jayne]

Good to meet you guys.

[Ben Mandelker]

Good to meet you guys.

[Erica Jayne]

Coil.

[Ronnie Caram]

He had really soft hands. Oh, Xander, the one we were just speaking to. I'm sorry, I don't know. Santa Zenda, the man who was right here, was. Pretended to be 26 for a second. I don't know who you mean. Oh, I'm sorry. All right.

[Sutton]

Za.

[Ronnie Caram]

Do you mean Za.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do you mean. Do you mean Red Nas? Yeah, the new things to say his name backwards,

[Ronnie Caram]

but I even shorten that so it's red. N. Red.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's just red. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So what's your type?

[Erica Jayne]

I don't think I have a type. I mean, if you look at.

[Ronnie Caram]

If you look at a dinner roll and you open it up. Up, and you see the inside and you say, God, I'm fantasizing about what this looked like. Uncooked. Something like that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Dorit's like, PK is my type. Like, that's not a type. Okay, not pk. And then we see side by side images of PK and Xander, which is so Cruel Dorit goes, well, no, I don't have it.

[Amanda]

I don't. I don't have a type. I. I absolutely don't.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Rachel goes, well, no, you have a type of type.

[Denise Richards]

Like, let's see.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. Okay, guess what. You're like a secretary, and there's like, something under your fingers, and paper comes out. It's a type. It's a typewriter. Okay, let's see who you hook up with next. And that's what you're trying to do. Okay, Because I'm only attracted to my type, and I would 100% hook up with Brad Pitt right now. And then Dorit, really exposing yourself goes.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's like, oh, my God.

[Erica Jayne]

Ew.

[Ronnie Caram]

What are you talking about? Brad Pitt? Are you okay? He's Brad Pitt. I don't read any headlines unless they have to do with Erica. Like, I have no idea about any abuse stories about Brad Pitt. So, like, he's still really hot to me. Listen, if you want to just think. Think people are hot forever, just don't read the news. That's the trick.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, it is kind of the trick.

[Ronnie Caram]

It is. I know, but I just love that it's all going above Rachel's head. Like, why wouldn't anybody. Why would anybody dislike Brad Pit? You know, she doesn't get it at all. And three is like, oh, I can't. I can't. The man needs some Pringles or something.

[Ben Mandelker]

See, Dorit's like I told. Listen, we can roll together because we will never go for the same guy. I love that. Like, I have free reign over Zen, apparently.

[Amanda]

And she's like, I love it. I love it. No, I really don't have a type. It's an energy thing for me. Charm, charisma, swagger, slothness. Likes to come up with stories about why we're hiding Boy George behind a curtain. So we say we tell people that there's black mold in the house.

[Ronnie Caram]

Win a strongman competition. I don't want to see someone get a big hammer and hit a little weight until it goes up and dings a bell. A strongman competition to me is put a blood pressure monitor on them and watch that thing explode. You know what I'm saying? Ladies,

[Amanda]

my mother always said, don't marry the best looking man in the room. And I took that advice to heart

[Ben Mandelker]

and look where it's got me.

[Ronnie Caram]

We've been watching this show, girl, and that didn't work either. That's what I always tell people. I mean, one of my best friends was like, I'm gonna start dating ugly guys. And I said, don't. They're dicks too. Guys aren't just suddenly, like, great because, you know, we're not hot? Like, that's just not how it works. I mean, you might as well date a hot one if they're gonna be an asshole anyway.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, there's just no luck. So then Kyle's like, hey, Rachel, remember how you said that you, like, texted Erica cause that, like, you really care? Guess what? I FaceTimed her earlier. I guess I just did it, like, a little bit better. But anyway, I FaceTimed Erica, and she went to Amanda's event, and I guess Sutton and Amanda got into a fight or something like that. And I guess Sutton said to Amanda, you need to take accountability for your own thoughts instead of trying to put it onto Kyle. And now you've created an argument between Kyle and Dorit. So that's what happened, right, guys?

[Ronnie Caram]

Shut.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm sorry. I'm still talking to Dorit. I can't believe that about Brad Pitt. Like, seriously. Well, I give Sutton a lot of questions because this year she's chicked in, and she's really standing up for me and Coyle. So I like her now. And Rachel's like, well, I told you, she came to my house, and she was, like, saying on, like, she needs to work on how she reacts to things, because it's, like, her reaction.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Dorit says that she and Dorit. She. Dorit says that she and Dorit have made big strides, but she's also made big strides with Sutton, and she's really excited about their evolving friendship, and it seems to be going in the right direction. So Rachel goes, guys, I'm not saying you would have gone to Amanda's event, but, like, it's weird that you weren't invited to read.

[Amanda]

And she's like, no, but look, I'm a very easy person, famously. That's what everyone always says about me. I'm very easy. So I don't even have an adverse reaction to, like, not even being invited.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, you're, like, a little adverse. You're sort of, like, zan around uncool people. Just like, you're averse. Yeah, you're a little.

[Ronnie Caram]

You are. Yeah, you're averse. But I literally care more about a fucking high than I do about this situation. I was like, well, how would you

[Sutton]

be with her in a group then?

[Ronnie Caram]

I mean, just out of curiosity, I'd be great.

[Erica Jayne]

I'd be cool, Jewel.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's how I'd Be.

[Erica Jayne]

I'd be cool.

[Ronnie Caram]

Jill.

[Erica Jayne]

I'd say, hello, Amanda. How are you?

[Ronnie Caram]

Did she talk about me today?

[Ben Mandelker]

If you were truly unbothered by something, you wouldn't even think about it. But the fact that she's worked up about it, comparing it to a hangnail, means that you're a little bothered by it. Maybe a lot. That's Kyle doing her thing. When she's making a point in her confessional, she, like, rattles her head every time she, like, gets to a syllable. So she's like, gotcha. So Rachel goes, girls, girls, girls. That was a three girl alarm. Because guess what? We're gonna go dance. Let's dance Xander at Surf Lodge to his music. Okay, let's dance. Cause the night is, like, not even.

[Ronnie Caram]

It is. It's still daylight out there, and you guys are gonna be in bed in an hour. But who are you kidding?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, it's not like, look, you're free to go home whenever, but I'm, like, not letting you, like, hang out with me. It's going to be so fun. Hot girl, summer, guys.

[Ronnie Caram]

So now we go to Monterey.

[Ben Mandelker]

M.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's got an explanation, exclamation point at the end. I just love that. It's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

And people arrive. So Sutton and Erica sit at a table.

[Denise Richards]

And Erica's like, hey, Sparkle.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Son's like, wow.

[Amanda]

Okay, well, is that a nickname for me now?

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, well, it's a rare occasion on having a Saturday night out. Can you imagine using an entire Saturday night out in the summer to come to a restaurant on Fairfax Avenue?

[Ronnie Caram]

Wow. Are we in a different country? Where are we? This is crazy. I'm afraid someone's gonna start my car on fire to keep warm. Can we just move this along?

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm wearing an Erica dress today, which

[Ronnie Caram]

means I saw someone cooking a dollar welcome over a trash can.

[Sutton]

Can we just.

[Ben Mandelker]

I see that there's a blue bottle across the street, but it's an actual just broken blue bottle. It's very sad.

[Ronnie Caram]

So they start talking about the last time they saw Denise and Erica's like,

[Erica Jayne]

oh, bout a year ago. Cause it was on tv, so I had to go. So I sent her a text when everything happened, though, because that's what you do.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Sutton's like, oh, I did, too. I said sentence.

[Erica Jayne]

You went hug.

[Ronnie Caram]

And then I unsent it, but I think it went through anyway. And then I said, send you a hug. And I made the text go like, you know how you can do now? And so I think that was a little more loving. I almost Called her, but then I just. I couldn't do it. So I unsent the text again, and I said, send it a hug. You know how you can do it? Just jumps out at you. Text,

[Ben Mandelker]

hey, who are you texting?

[Denise Richards]

I'm trying to text, sudden distract, see

[Amanda]

if she'll come back.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Denise shows up, and they're like, oh, I love Denise.

[Ronnie Caram]

This whole thing is such a fucking bummer, man. And we recapped the Denise show, so we watched all the episodes of Denise's and Aaron's show, and I just feel, like, terrible that I didn't see this coming. I was like, wow, they seem so happy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I was also bamboozled by it quite a bit, which is, I guess, how these things happen, happen, though, truthfully. So she comes in, and first she starts talking about her plastic surgery. She got, like, a facelift and everything. And she got it done three weeks, six weeks ago, which I think was detailed on the show, if I remember correctly. And she talked about, hey, she got her boobs done. And then Sun's telling us. She's like, I've had zero plastic surgery.

[Erica Jayne]

Zero.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

And you know that's true because you can see my face move when I say Z row. But when I first moved to Beverly Hills, it was all boobs and all lips, and that is not what I looked like. So I gave it a. You know, gave me sort of an inferiority complex.

[Amanda]

Is that, like. Am I supposed to be looking like that?

[Ben Mandelker]

Is that what I'm supposed to do? I'm like, unfortunately, Sutton, that is probably your future. At some point, I decided that instead

[Ronnie Caram]

of using a mirror for a mirror, I would use my bank of America app. And then I felt much better. Much, much better. I think something looks great. I don't think she needs a damn thing done to her.

[Ben Mandelker]

Of course not. Yeah. But I just worry that she's, like, gonna cater to it all. Although, as long as she has Reba there, Reba will be like, what are you doing to your face?

[Ronnie Caram]

What's the matter?

[Ben Mandelker]

You don't want to look like this.

[Ronnie Caram]

She'll be, I'll be back. I'll be back, Mother.

[Sutton]

Going. Going to the doctor.

[Ronnie Caram]

But, no, I think Sutton looks great. It is very rare to meet somebody, especially there, who's never had anything done. I mean, in general. Right. I was watching Celebrity uk, and I was like, oh, my gosh, this is such a different celebrity culture because everybody doesn't have their faces all tweaked and blown up and done different.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So, you know, good for you, it's bravery. It's bravery.

[Ben Mandelker]

So you get used to it. You get used to it in la. I remember when I first moved to la, I was also shocked by the amount of plastic surgery. It used to be growing up, if you saw someone who had, like, a nose job or anything, it was like, whoa. But also growing up, whenever, if I saw someone with a tattoo, I was like, whoa. But now it's become so much more commonplace, not just in la, but also just in American culture. More normalized tattoos and. And it is more normalized, but especially, like in la, it's really, really normalized, where I'm like, okay. And I think also, honestly, for Bravo viewers, like, the fact that we can just sort of be like, oh, look, there's Larsa Pippen. You know, like. Like, we're unfazed by it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I was gonna say, yeah, you go to LA and you think it's bad, and then you come to Miami.

[Erica Jayne]

Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. Everyone looks like that flying thing that Bowser's had, because it's not even like

[Ronnie Caram]

a, hey, I'm gonna make myself. You know, I'm gonna do a couple little tweaks here and there. It's like, okay, what from Home Depot? Can we melt and put inside of. Just change me. Make me look completely. I don't. I want to look like anime. Just make me look like anime. I mean, it's bold.

[Ben Mandelker]

Everyone just looks like circles within circles. Like, eyes are circles, lips are circles, noses are circles, faces are circles. Just circles and circles.

[Ronnie Caram]

There's modern lights that they hang everywhere now that are big circles, you know, just like a circle on top of a circle on top of everything. So, Sutton. So Erica's like, yeah, well, I didn't

[Erica Jayne]

like how my neck was looking. It wasn't youthful. So I was like, if I could do something about it, I'm gonna do it. You know, inject as many peptides, fucking hormones, do filler, Botox sculpture, but nothing beats a needle and a thread, girl. Just rip it off, put it back on.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's true. I mean, I should say it's. But I'm not so much it's true, but more like, it's true. Like, you know what? Like, whatever, do it. It's not that big of a deal, though, as much as we're saying this, like, oh, my God, normalize. The truth is, if you want. If, like, you're. You're allowed to do things to make yourself look better, you know?

[Ronnie Caram]

Now, I remember when we first started talking about these shows, and it was like, you know, it's youth. When you're like, oh, I don't need that. I would never do that. I'm just gonna be happy with my. You know. But then you do start to need it, and you're like, ooh, what can you do with my neck? Can you just get a chip clip? I do it sometimes with chip clips. Just put chip clips. And I'm like, just cut here.

[Erica Jayne]

So I'm gonna.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's how I'm gonna go to the doctor. All right, I've chipped. Clipped my perfect face. Now just go for it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Go for it. Yeah. So then Denise is saying, like, oh, well, it's nice that you guys are getting along. And Eric is saying, you know, without

[Denise Richards]

the vodka, sudden is fun.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like, for you, maybe. Maybe for you, it's just.

[Denise Richards]

Well, she's reasonable. She's not reactive. And as a result, our friendship has improved. It's actually fun. And I can't believe I'm saying that.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like, yeah, let's bring.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, because guess what?

[Ben Mandelker]

You're boring.

[Ronnie Caram]

Denise is like, hey, lady.

[Erica Jayne]

Well, it's good to see you two are getting along. So that's good to see.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, we are actually kind of getting along. It's like, yeah.

[Erica Jayne]

Cause it's not a drunk anymore. Yeah, in time, you know, time helped.

[Ronnie Caram]

Time and understanding.

[Erica Jayne]

Okay, whatever. I had to understand the reality of my own life, which is that Sutton's a cranky old bitch, and I hate her. And once I got past that, I could be a friend again.

[Ronnie Caram]

So it's like, me, too.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Thanks. So then basically, Erica starts talking about, like, she's got her court cases going on, you know, and, like, yeah, that's draining. They're kind of like. They're sort of getting stuff out of the way before they can really dive into the conversation. And so Erica's saying, yeah, I'm being

[Denise Richards]

sued by Tom's bankruptcy trustees, but his personal. Both his personal bankruptcy and the Gerardo Keys bankruptcy trustees. And this is designed to break me, designed to drive me into bankruptcy, designed to be annoying and to make an example and to punish. And nothing about this feels good.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So Denise is talking about, you know, like, I get that, because people really don't understand what's going on behind closed doors, you know?

[Erica Jayne]

And she's like, zero. Okay, well, let's talk about it.

[Ronnie Caram]

So they start talking about Denise's abuse stuff and the black eye. Cause there was a black eye photo that came out, and it's bad. They show it again here. It's really bad. And Erica's like, yeah, I'm gonna just go ahead and say right now that's obviously not a one time thing. And Denise is like, no, it wasn't. So they asked her when it started, and Denise said, it started a while ago, but it was kind of a slow burn to, you know, it was like a ramp up, basically. It got worse and worse. And when she told her dad about it, he said, why didn't you say something? And she said, you know, I can't say something to you. And then stay with the guy. Like, that's not how it works, you know? And so she was. She kept it as a secret.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And then she tells this terrible story about after her facelift, she was under anesthesia for all this time. She had a drain and all this stuff. And he helped her to the bathroom and he, like, while she was sitting on the toilet, he. He basically like, hit her. And like, it's like, wow, like after surgery, like, you literally, you monster. You know, it's just like, it's terrible.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, this is really bad. And her drain hit, like, came out and hit the toilet paper. And she was like, this is when I knew, like, this is just. It's gotten so out of hand. Like, there's no saving this. And Erica is like, so what happened then on the fourth? And then we see another headline that says, denise Richards details fight with Aaron on July 4th, their date of separation. And she's saying, it was awful. He hit me again right after a facelift. And she said, so I filed a restraining order and that's why we're getting a divorce. And I. I told. She's. She jokes, she's like, I told Charlie he's making him look like a saint. She kind of laughs. And this is just fucking terrible. What a vile piece of shit this guy is. My God.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, seriously. And, you know, Erica's saying, you know, we just. I just, I. I want you to know that I only wanted what was best for you, you know? And she says, Denise is saying it's a lonely feeling and everything. And, you know, Erica's saying, I know, it's like very isolating, and. But then Erica does. She suddenly reveals that she also went through some abuse. And she said it wasn't one of her husbands, but it was someone actually recently. But she's not gonna. She doesn't say who it is.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, she says that she met some guy that she was hooking up with, and a few months later, it turned into chaos. And she's like, you know Sutton, do you have a question? Because we're good, so you might as well ask it now. Cause Sutton's like, you know, Sutton's giving that look and she goes, well, I was just gonna say, you know, you mentioned it happened to you, so what was that? And so Erica talks about her stuff a little bit, but, like you said, doesn't tell us who it was. And Sutton's like, oh, my God, she's so strong. And this whole scene was just sad. It was like one sad thing on another one on top of another one on top of another one. But it was nice to see them all, you know, kind of bonding.

[Ben Mandelker]

And it also is a very sad acknowledgement that this happens, no matter a lot of people, you know, you can get sucked into. I mean, that's why it's interesting that they put it on the same episode. And it's probably intentional. They put the same episode where Amanda talks about being in a cult because people can wind up being lured into toxic, dangerous situations. It doesn't matter how smart you are or how quote, unquote strong you are. You know, these things happen to everyone, you know, across the spectrum.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Wow. Bummer.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's terrible.

[Ronnie Caram]

Bummer. But, you know, know it doesn't. It's not always just jokes. What are you going to do?

[Sutton]

Not always.

[Ronnie Caram]

Denise back opens the door at all for Denise to come back.

[Ben Mandelker]

I. I would be totally down for Denise to come back.

[Amanda]

I.

[Ben Mandelker]

That would be good. I think. I think maybe it would.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. She kind of knows how it works now, you know, she doesn't have Rena there coming for her. I would like to see it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

But time will tell everybody. So that. That's it. Go grab tickets for the Crappies next Friday, one week from today. Oh, my God. Coming up. Go get a watch.

[Sutton]

What?

[Ronnie Caram]

Crappens.com also where you get live streaming tickets. And we'll talk to you guys next time.

[Sutton]

Bye.

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