#3230 Crappy Hour 3/2/26: Lizzie Bassett From What Went Wrong

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Ep. #3230: Crappy Hour 3/2/26 with Lizzie Bassett From What Went Wrong

Release Date: March 3, 2026
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Guest: Lizzie Bassett (What Went Wrong Podcast)

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Episode Overview

Ben and Ronnie host a spirited “Crappy Hour,” reveling in the week’s juiciest Bravo headlines and pop culture gossip. They’re joined by Lizzie Bassett of the What Went Wrong podcast, who brings fresh outsider perspective, particularly regarding Real Housewives (RHO) franchises. This episode dishes on casting shakeups for Real Housewives of New York (RHONY), off-camera chaos in Salt Lake City, the chaos of self-produced housewives, and some fun detours through “stuck porn” and the economics of Bravo grifting. It’s a classic episode full of roast-y banter, deep dives, and sharp satire.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Intro with Lizzie Bassett & “What Went Wrong” (01:00-03:00)

• Lizzie Intro: She explains her podcast, focusing on “what goes wrong behind the scenes” of famous movies.
• Wuthering Heights Detour (02:13): The panel shares guilty pleasure movie takes, riffing on adaptations and the charismatic (and extremely tall) Jacob Elordi.
  • “When he shows up as, like, fuckboy Heathcliff with the little gold tooth and the earring, I was like, fine, sure, yeah, whatever.” — Lizzie (03:15)
• Bravo Silliness: Joking about contemporary pop culture obsessions, from Jane Eyre to “stuck porn.”

“Stuck Porn” Pop Culture Silliness (04:05-06:00)

• The crew riffs on the internet’s weirdest phenomenon, inspired by a previous episode reference:
  • “There’s a whole corner of YouTube that’s just women, like, dressed in a nurse’s outfit, being like, ‘I’m stuck. I’m stuck.’” — Lizzie (04:35)
  • Ronnie gleefully imagines “stuck on a math problem” scenarios, channeling signature show absurdity.

RHONY: Rumors, Cast Shakeups, and New Additions (06:01-16:00)

RHONY Reboot Goss

• The reboot is “stuck”, facing possible cancellation—but it’ll return with a new cast. Big rumors: a contest between keeping RHONY or RHOM (Real Housewives of Miami) on air (06:01).
• Andy Cohen’s evasiveness in addressing the show’s direction.
  “…gave us no answers, as usual.” — Ronnie (06:51)

The New RHONY Cast

• Big headline: Carole Radziwill returns as “friend of.”
• New names: Haley Glassman, Daisy Toy/Toya/Toy, Erica Hammond (07:06).

Haley Glassman

• Known mainly for dating Jon Gosselin post-Kate (07:28).
  • “I’m totally in support of people sleeping their way to the top, but, like, that's the bottom... I would rather her sleep her way to the top than just to have any sort of detour of Jon Gosling.” — Ben (07:50-08:12)
• Reading aloud from a magazine profile, mocking the low bar for Gosselin’s “roasted veggies with butter concoction” as his seductive trait (09:50-10:24).
  • “Your standards are so low at 22. Now I just feel bad for her. That’s terrible. He grills stuff.” — Lizzie (10:24)

Daisy Toy

• Described as “rich” and “married to the CEO of Built.” Former WWE Diva, co-creator of Rumble Boxing, had a lavish wedding in Egypt in front of the Sphinx attended by Lance Bass and Robin Thicke (11:48-13:34).
  • “That’s wealth. Because you don’t—you just can’t—That’s not a cheap wedding venue. The Sphinx.” — Ben (12:20)

Erica Hammond

• A prominent celebrity makeup artist, notably for Martha Stewart (16:52-17:09).
  • “They need Martha is what they need. Martha would shut the house down. She is incredible.” — Lizzie (17:15)
  • “They should have Martha, not the makeup. Martha’s makeup person. I want Martha.” — Ronnie (17:25)

Cast Chemistry & Age Mixing

• Panel laughs that “everyone looks the same” (thanks, Photoshop!) and questions if age range will matter (09:22).

Reboot Critique

• Ben wishes for an “older” cast—more eccentric, “Gray Gardens” energy, less concerned with self-production (18:23-19:18).
• Lizzie admits never seeing old RHONY, just the reboot—prompting lighthearted teasing (19:16-19:31).
• She was drawn in specifically by Jenna Lyons (23:23).
  • “…not that much happened. This last season was so frustrating with Bryn. I am very glad she’s not back. That whole thing was just like a mess…” — Lizzie (19:31)

Self-Produced Housewives Trend

• Lizzie: Frustration with new housewives consciously producing themselves, being “too aware of the game.”
  • “Maybe my biggest complaint...is they're trying to produce themselves...the snake is sort of eating itself at this point. But I hope they figure it out.” — Lizzie (22:49-23:28)
• Ronnie: “…so good as they age is that they can’t control anything…you come in thinking you can control it, and then you slowly start to spin out...and that’s when it gets fun…” (23:28)
• Diversity concern: Noting increased “whiteblondification” of the reboot cast (24:23).

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Real Housewives of Salt Lake City: Off-Camera Drama & New Rules (27:07-36:36)

Whitney Rose & Drag Brunches (27:07-29:47)

• Whitney roasted for being a generic “drag brunch host” lacking camp or gay icon energy.
  • “If you’re gonna have a Real Housewife hosting a drag queen brunch, it needs to be someone, like, over the top. Not Whitney.” — Ronnie (27:55).

Meredith’s “Plane Incident” — Off-camera Drama

• Whitney went off at a drag brunch Q&A, doubling down on her story about Meredith's supposed “meltdown” on a plane, but offers no proof. Discussion about lack of any passenger footage or recordings (29:14-32:34).
  • “It’s shocking that there’s no recording. That is the thing that doesn’t make sense…” — Ben (29:47)
  • Lizzie: “I think definitely Meredith was a crazy person on the plane to Brittany…But I don’t think it was to the extent that Whitney is claiming…” (32:14)

The Problem with “Narrative Integrity”

• Extended discussion of the new “Narrative Integrity Clause”—Bravo’s attempt to shut down off-camera drama and manufactured narratives (34:26-35:08):

  • Cast prohibited from leaking storylines or influencing public opinion outside the show; stricter penalties, enforced on-screen discussion only.

• Risk: This could make on-screen fights more opaque, as off-camera grudges will be “coded” in show terms (i.e., “towel fights” standing in for bigger issues).

  • “Why are they mad about that towel? And it turns out the towel is, like, code for leaking to the blogs.” — Ben (35:30)

Meredith vs. Brittany, Ugliness Off-Camera (36:23-38:39)

• Detailed context for real-world drama that seeps into the show (embarrassing salon/Yelp drama, anti-Semitic comments, and woke-mob accusations).

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Salt Lake: Cast News (39:03-41:03)

• Full main cast returning, + a new unknown woman soon to be announced (39:03).
• Mary Cosby to return despite her son’s recent death (39:44):
  • “I also hope that, like, she’s taking care of herself first…part of me wants her to go into a protective cocoon for a year, and then she can come back.” — Ben (41:03)

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The Traitors Reunion Recap (43:09-47:57)

SPOILER WARNING announced at 42:54

• Candace v. Rob controversy: Accusations that Rob cheated by giving Colton info. Panel laughs at the confusion—the show tapes everything.

  • “I don’t think he would have done that. That would have been so stupid. He was playing so well.” — Lizzie (44:04)
  • “She did deliver one of the funniest lines ever in that reunion, though…She just, you just hear Candace go, ‘the purse girl, he can’t even buy a shirt.’” — Lizzie (45:03)

• Reunion Vibes: Rinna and Rob’s friendship blooms in the aftermath (“odd couple”), reflections on Rinna’s post-Beverly Hills glow-up, Andy Cohen’s touching moment comforting her, and Rinna’s real-world drama with Andy’s book.

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Quick Hits: Other Bravo & Pop Culture Moments

Kyle Richards, Dorit & Amanda Francis (50:20-54:15)

• Kyle stands up for Amanda in her feud with Dorit and Bose, but panel suspects she's just trying to look nice, not pick a side (51:19).
• Amanda Francis: Branded “insufferable but often right,” which frustrates everyone but makes her compelling Bravo TV (52:22).
  • “She’s not lying. She’s just really annoying. And she also is stirring things up…But I’m enjoying watching her on the show.” — Ronnie (52:56)

Amanda Francis on Watch What Happens Live

• Grifter status, zero regrets, weird vibes. The panel agrees “she’s annoying but necessary” (55:25).

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Dorinda vs. Sally (56:39-58:13)

• Classic petty drama: an ignored DM, Dorinda confused, but ends with discovery of a sweet message—Sally’s all over the place and “Charlie’s a bitch.”
• Lizzie: “Charlie’s not a bitch. No, no. I’ve been actually really enjoying her on Southern Charm, and Sally is just…all over the place.” (58:13)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Haley Glassman’s reality TV “qualification”:

• “I mean, just don’t. Don’t sleep with Jon Gosselin and brag about. It’s just like doing…something horribly embarrassing. The rest of us would be so embarrassed…” — Ronnie (08:27)

On new RHONY camp factor:

• “No one who gets married in front of the Sphinx isn’t an [entertainer].” — Ronnie (14:36)

On Bravo self-productions:

• “It's people that have grown up with Bravo and reality tv...they’re trying to manufacture it, and I don’t want to watch that.” — Lizzie (22:49)

On off-camera antics:

• “…having to like come up with all these theories about something that…we could have seen if someone had just turned on a camera…” — Ben (33:10)

On grifting on Bravo:

• “It’s nice to see somebody being so successful with grifting, you know?” — Ronnie (56:16)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [01:00-03:00]: Lizzie Bassett intro & What Went Wrong
• [04:05-06:00]: “Stuck porn”-related humor
• [06:01-16:00]: RHONY reboot news & cast speculation
• [18:23-19:31]: The call for an “older,” quirkier RHONY cast
• [22:49-24:23]: The problem with self-producing housewives & show diversity issues
• [27:07-29:47]: Whitney Rose at Drag Brunch, Salt Lake drama
• [32:14-36:36]: “Narrative Integrity” clause & off-camera drama
• [41:03-41:24]: Mary Cosby return discussion
• [43:09-47:57]: Traitors reunion, Candace vs. Rob, Rinna
• [50:20-54:15]: Kyle Richards, Amanda Francis & Beverly Hills crossfire
• [56:39-58:13]: Dorinda/Sally Page Six AOL DM drama
• [58:13-59:44]: Show wrap, guest plugs and cheerful sendoff

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Overall Tone & Takeaway

Watch What Crappens serves up equal parts sharp satire, in-depth Bravo analysis, and silly pop culture riffing. With Lizzie’s outsider perspective and deep dives into self-production and reality TV fatigue, this episode is a banter-rich, highly quotable master class in Bravo snark. Whether you’re a diehard fan or a casual pop culture observer, you’ll come away both entertained and surprisingly informed about the ever-morphing world of the Real Housewives.

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Find Lizzie Bassett at @LizzieBassett on Instagram and catch her podcast “What Went Wrong” — featuring Ben & Ronnie on the “Grey Gardens” episode. Support Watch What Crappens via their Patreon for more bonus content.

Transcript

[A]

Who cares what happens when there's so much of crapping? Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens?

[B]

Well, hello and welcome to Crappy Hour. I'm Ronnie, and that's Ben over there. Hi, Ben.

[A]

Hello. Hi. How's it going?

[B]

So good. It's a great day. It's Monday, March 2nd. Back to talk Bravo Headlines. And we. I was gonna say we have a great surprise, but it's not much of a surprise because I forgot to take her off the screen. It's our gorgeous and talented guest, Lizzie Bassett from the what Went Wrong podcast. Hi.

[C]

Hello. Hello. Thank you for having me.

[A]

Welcome, welcome. Tell everyone where they can find your podcast and what they should be doing to listen to it.

[C]

Oh, well, you can find it anywhere that you can find podcasts. It's called what Went Wrong? And every episode covers a different movie. What goes wrong behind the scenes on the movie? How did it happen? How did it get made? We just taped an episode today on American History X that was very depressing, but most of them are very fun and funny and. Yeah, our whole premise is that it's nearly impossible to make any movie, let alone a good one. So we just talk about how they get made.

[B]

Yeah. Right on. Before we get into Bravo stuff, I want to ask you, Wuthering Heights, yes or no?

[C]

I. I feel like. Why am I embarrassed to say this? Yes. I liked it.

[B]

Okay, good. You shouldn't be embarrassed. Never be embarrassed.

[C]

I liked it.

[B]

Say what you liked.

[C]

Did you guys see it?

[A]

I haven't watched My Friends My friend saw and said he loved it. I would like to know, will you ever do an episode based on one of the following movies? Big Business, Soap Dish, Red Rock, West, Last Seduction, or Ruthless People? Because I will go on any of those episodes and. And talk about them.

[C]

Good to know. I'll look into all of them and see which one has the craziest backstory.

[B]

Here's the problem. None of them went wrong, so how dare you? Ben went wrong with those. Those are all classics.

[C]

That could definitely be true.

[A]

Yes. Look into it. Look into it, please. And report back as soon as possible

[C]

in the Cluttering Heights. Oh, sorry.

[B]

Oh, no, no, go ahead. I was just gonna say, for anyone wondering why it's February 2nd today, it's not. I'm just an idiot. And this incorrectly the second time in a row. Okay, so what were you gonna say? Tell me about Wuthering Heights.

[C]

I was just gonna say, I think you guys should watch it because it's like, it's definitely Wuthering. Heights. For us Bravo fans, it's not really an adaptation of the book. It's kind of. It's Wuthering Heights for, like, romance novel enthusiasts. And, you know, I've read the book, and it's totally different. And I watched the movie, and I was fine with it. And Jacob Elordi is so tall. So tall, so tall.

[B]

Just so tall. I didn't really realize he was that tall, but everybody's like, oh, my God, that guy's as tall as Jacob Elordi. We saw this giant at the. At a party this weekend, and everyone was saying, oh, my God, he's as tall as Jacob Elordi.

[C]

He's huge. He's huge. When he shows up as, like, fuckboy Heathcliff with the little gold tooth and the earring, I was like, fine, sure, yeah, whatever.

[A]

I mean, I've never read the book. I have no idea what Wuthering Heights is all about. I just know you still won't after

[C]

you see this version.

[B]

It's about a cat falling in love with a girl who's really mean to him, right?

[C]

Kind of. I know. It's. It's like a weird gothic ghost story that maybe kind of involves some incest, but they leave all that out. They get that out of there for the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Incest is so in right now. Hello, White Lotus. Vanderpump rules. Reboot. Yeah, pornhub.

[A]

Okay. I'm into it. Listen, I'm more of an Ethan Frome, Jane Eyre kind of guy. I don't know about this Wuthering Heights.

[C]

Wait, sorry. Also, just to briefly go back to pornhub, Ben, when you were talking about the recent Southern Charm episode and you mentioned the stuck porn, I was dying because that I worked in a row writers room many years ago, and there was a guy in that room who actually, like, thought this was the funniest thing ever, and he would show it. Not the kind that has any actual, like, active sex, but it's literally. There's a whole corner of YouTube that's just women, like, dressed in a nurse's outfit, being like, I'm gonna be late for my job. And they walk out onto the sidewalk, and they step into, like, a puddle of melted gummy bears in their shoes. And then they're just stepping up and down and the gummy bears going, I'm stuck. I'm stuck.

[A]

Someone messaged us and said, I think you guys heard it wrong. They were saying, stock porn. Like, out of the mill, stock porn. I was like, I'm pretty sure they said stuck porn.

[B]

Buildings of New York City. People, you know, flying over.

[A]

Show us those people in a. In a. In a. In a meeting. Yeah. Stock.

[B]

Stock. Porn.

[C]

They're stuck in that meeting. Yeah. The stuck in a dryer thing is. So I was like, how does that. I don't know. I've only seen the gummy bear version on the sidewalk.

[A]

That's pretty good.

[B]

Yeah. Stuck porn. I would. I could do stuck porn if it was, like, stuck on a math problem. You know, like, oh, I just can't figure out how much I owe for a tip. What should I do? And someone starts smacking me in the face with their wiener or something. I could do that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, I could do it if it's just walking into a sticky puddle and you're, like, fully clothed. And, I mean, that's. That's literally all this was.

[B]

It's like they're, like, trying to pull up my jeans, and they just get stuck. And I'm like, great. I can't get off my jeans, and someone just comes, like, pees on me or something.

[A]

Okay, well, all sorts of fabulous things

[B]

get out of my gutter.

[A]

Speaking of.

[C]

Sorry.

[A]

Speaking of stuck porn, let's talk about some stuck people from Bravo.

[B]

Stuck porn. Bravo style. Real Housewives of New York, the reboot. They just can't seem to get it right. They are stuck. They have decided to keep trying. The big rumor from the past couple of. Well, it's not a big rumor. We heard. Ben and I heard it from somebody somewhere. Said that they're trying to decide between Real Housewives of New York and Real Housewives of Miami. What should they keep on the air. They've only got room for wine. I don't know if that's true. Andy went on his radio show and said, yeah, you know, we just want him to be good. And right now, there's nine housewives, and each of the that we're willing to play so gave us no answers, as usual. But today we got one. They are at least bringing back Real Housewives of New York, the reboot. And they have announced their new cast.

[A]

The new cast is. Well, I mean, the big takeaway really is that part of the new cast is going to be Carol Radwell as a friend of and everyone. That's what everyone that's getting all the headlines.

[B]

That's.

[A]

Everyone's buzzing about Carol Radzwell coming back, but she is going to be joined with some new people. We have Haley Glassman, Daisy Toy or Toya or Toy. And Erica Hammond. All Right.

[B]

Well, what do we know about these people? What do we know? Who wants to go first?

[C]

I'll tell you the only thing that caught my eye, which is that I believe it's Haley Glassman in every article I have seen. The only way she's qualified is that she dated John Gosselin after he got divorced from Kate.

[B]

Who admits to that? Like, who puts that on their IMDb? Like, how is that a credit?

[A]

Yeah, I like, look, I am totally in support of people sleeping their way to the top, but, like, that's the bottom. And I'm not even saying that she's even doing that. I'm just saying.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. At least go to the top. Don't. Just your way to. To the basement.

[A]

I'm not saying she slept her way to the top. Whatever she did. That's such a. Everything in. But everything I said is rooted in so problematically. But I'm just saying I would rather her sleep her way to the top than just to have any sort of detour of John Gosling. I would rather. I don't know what I'm saying. I'm just saying I'm.

[B]

No, what you said. What you said makes sense. I mean, just don't. Don't sleep with Jon Gosselin and brag about. It's just like doing. It's like. I don't know. It's just doing something horribly embarrassing. The rest of us would be so embarrassed. It's like, oh, my God, you guys. I was on my way to work, and I had a coffee, and I should have peed before I left the house. I peed a little in my pants. You know, something like that. Like, who puts. Like, I'm gonna be on Real Housewives of New York. I peed my pants on the way to work.

[C]

Oh, she does say, he's my first love. I'm not some fame. Oh, God. Oh, he was a lot older than that at that point.

[A]

Yeah, it was 2009.

[C]

I feel bad. Okay.

[A]

The year was 2009. This could be a great episode from what went Wrong. Hayley Glassman and John Goslin. What went wrong? What went right?

[C]

Actually, the year was 2009. It is interesting. It looks like they're mixing up the ages a little bit more, which I think is nice, because everybody's been kind of the same, with the exception of Jenna Lyons. So I know isn't coming back.

[B]

It's time for commercial. It's time for a Grappens commercial. Well, I'm looking at this picture on Queens of Bravo, and it's showing the cast. So for those of you watching right now, you can see the cast here. I'm not sure if they're mixing up the ages because everyone. Maybe it's because of Photoshop or whatever. Or not Photoshop, whatever. They use the face tune because everyone looks the same to me. I mean, I can't tell yeah. Who's who.

[A]

Well, what's.

[C]

What.

[A]

I. I've already started to do my deep dive into Glassman because there was a link to, I guess, an article in 2009 of when she and Goslin got together. And this is in People magazine, and here's some quotes. She admits she's having a great time with her new bow and quote. We're always laughing and joking, gushes Glassman, 22. We watch movies, play pool, and ping pong. We laugh a lot because I beat him at everything. He's a great cook. He cooks roasted veggies with special seasoning and sauces, and he grills pineapple with a butter concoction.

[C]

Oh, God. Your standards are so low at 22 now. I just feel bad for her. That's terrible. He grills stuff.

[A]

He grills pineapple, vegetables, seasonings.

[B]

He puts butter on pineapple.

[C]

Oh, God.

[B]

Can I have your baby? Can I have your 20th baby?

[A]

No, but we're either playing ping pong or roasting veggies. I mean, really, it's pretty torrid over here.

[B]

Hey, what do you want to do tonight, honey? Ping pong or pineapple with butter on it? Why not both?

[A]

How about not just butter, but a butter concoction? Well, let's do it.

[C]

I love that she's also like, it's great because he's terrible at all these things, and I beat him at all the sports. Like. Well, it is Jon Gosselin.

[B]

I mean, the only thing I can't beat him at is buttering pineapple. God, he's got that one down.

[A]

Just knows how to roast veggies and special seasonings so well.

[B]

All right, so Hailey Glassman is good casting. I guess, then I guess we're saying that she's good casting. She was the one. When I saw this earlier, I said, looks like Lisa Hochstein.

[C]

Yes, big time. I thought the same thing.

[B]

Well, actually, I thought two of them did. I thought she did. And Daisy Toy did as well. Yeah. But, you know, someone pointed out in those comments that Daisy Toy looks more like Real Housewives of New Jersey D, which I can kind of see from far away.

[A]

I can see that.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. She's married to the CEO of Built. I think so.

[B]

She's probably very 34, a former WWE Diva who co created Rumble Boxing as well as several fitness programs at equinox.

[C]

Whoa.

[B]

In 2024, she married billionaire Encore Jane, the founder and CEO of Built. A lavish ceremony in a Savage. Savage. That's like lavish and savage. It was a lavish ceremony in Egypt.

[A]

If you click that link. They actually got married in front of the Sphinx and various pyramids. That's wealth. Because you don't. I feel like you just can't. You just. I. I don't think that's. That's a cheap wedding venue. The Sphinx.

[B]

The Sphinx.

[C]

Oh, my God. They really did.

[B]

What's your thing? Sorry, we're booked for a couple of years out. Right.

[A]

I've got a question for the Sphinx. What table am I.

[B]

Why should I have to make reservations at the Sphinx? Isn't this like taxpayer funded? This is like a public park. I should just be able to get married here when I want.

[A]

Okay, I'm looking at these pictures of this wedding. Do you. Do you guys see the pictures of the wedding there in the next. That's linked to from this article from the piece?

[C]

Yeah, I'm looking at them.

[A]

A. Oh, Lance Bass was there. Guys, it goes Famous faces, this lavish ass wedding. The first one, they're like, lance Bass? Like, where isn't he Lance Bass?

[B]

It's like, you know you're going to be a housewife when Lance Bass shows up at your wedding.

[C]

That's true. Yeah, yeah. She was born for this.

[A]

The only famous face we're able to pull up was Lance Bass. But that's okay. But she is extraordinarily wealthy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Special performance by Robin Thicke. Okay, so the star wattage is questionable.

[B]

That's a questionable one. Okay, I'm going to put this.

[C]

Listen, what year was this? Was this like blurred, blurred lines year or was this like now?

[A]

This was two years ago.

[C]

Nope, that's not good.

[A]

But you know what? Like, maybe she loves the mass singer.

[C]

Maybe. Yeah, maybe.

[B]

Oh, she's very pretty. Her wedding dress is pants. Is it pants with the top? What is it? No, it's not pants. It's a. Is it pants? Guys, what is that?

[C]

This is like a reception. Look. I think she. Her actual wedding dress. Dress looks like. I can't tell.

[B]

She's like, look, I'm on a planes.

[A]

Is there a dress version of a skirt?

[C]

I think so. I think there is.

[B]

She looks like Paige Dorbo here. She's like, I'm rich. I'm getting my makeup Done on a plane.

[A]

There's a chance that she could be a total. In which case I'm in support of her because I think the cast needs, like, a. An entertain. It needs. This cast needs campiness, and we. We don't have really any campiness outside of Jessel. And so maybe she.

[B]

She might be able to. No one who gets married in front of the Spink. The Sphinx isn't an.

[C]

I'm gonna say that's true. She's very, very rich, though, and she's created her own enterprise, it sounds like, of boxing. So she's probably not going to take any from anybody, which that could be good as well.

[B]

Yeah. Wwf. I mean, come on.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. And I also like that the Sphinx. The Sphinx is really the original nose job. Right. So she's like, I. I will go to the home of plastic surgery. The Sphinx. Yeah.

[B]

She's got kind of a Muppet smile, which I think is very, very open, like, toothy smile, which I think. Like a Jesse Solomon kind of. Hey. Which I think can be good for. Bravo.

[A]

Yeah. So it looks like her. Her bracelet kind of looked like it was one of those things you put on the door knobs. That way toddlers don't turn the door. Like her bracelet, right?

[C]

Oh, yes. It looks exactly like that.

[A]

When people say, twist my arm, they can't.

[C]

That is so funny.

[B]

And she probably makes her shoulders bleed. Like, there wasn't usually a hole right here between her shoulder and her neck until she wore this necklace or this earring too much, and it's like a garden claw.

[A]

Do you feel like he didn't want to take this photo and she just jumped on his back and was like, smile. He's like, oh, okay.

[C]

This man doesn't want to take any of these. I don't know. Do men want to take these pictures? No.

[B]

I don't know. I don't think he wanted to get married in front of the Sphinx, either. He's like, what did I get myself into? Jeez. I think he's the kind of guy who walks around going, hey, get off my back. Am I right?

[C]

I hope.

[A]

I feel like he and Pivot will bond over, like, chicken sandwiches in New York.

[C]

I love Bobbit. I'm very excited that they're coming back.

[B]

Yeah. Okay, so who else do we have here? We've got Haley Glassman, Erica Ham. Okay, so we talked about Erica. She has nice hair. I'm not making fun of her hair. Erica.

[A]

Haley.

[B]

That's the John Goslin one Daisy Toy. Do we know anything about her?

[C]

Not a ton. She looked like she had the least information about her.

[B]

What is she? What did it say? Tell me everything.

[A]

Makeup artists.

[B]

Oh, she's amazing. So is she Martha Stewart's makeup person?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Oh, yes.

[A]

She's a prominent makeup artist with a celebrity clientele that includes none other than Martha Stewart, who shares many snaps of her work on Instagram.

[C]

Oh, my God. Did you guys watch that Martha Stewart documentary?

[A]

No, I actually did not see it.

[C]

It was amazing. It was great. If Mark. They need Martha is what they need. Martha would shut the house down. She is incredible.

[B]

Martha. I think that that's true. I mean, the makeup. Maybe the makeup artist is good, and I think she's created a bunch of businesses and stuff too, but yeah, they should have Martha, not the makeup. Martha's makeup person. I want Martha. Martha was crazy. I remember seeing a. A TV movie about her and Cybill Shepard, of all people, played her.

[C]

Oh, she looks like her.

[B]

And it was really good.

[A]

Oh, that was classic.

[B]

She tried to run down her husband's new wife or something, like she was gonna run her over. It was so good.

[C]

Did she deserve it? Yeah. Martha also, she's like, you should watch it. You would like that documentary a lot. It was great. She's very casual about, like, her very strained relationship with her husband. She'll. I think I have this right, but there's like a whole sequence where she's like, you know, yes, I was. I was deaf. I was. I had extramarital affairs and like, blah, blah, blah. And you're just like, you can't just glaze past that.

[A]

Martha.

[C]

Roll.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's what I love about her, though. I. I personally think that Roni should not have any cast members younger than 60 at this point. I think, like. Like, we need to have like three people who are like 62, 63, 67, a Martha Stewart and then someone somewhere in the middle. Because I think the Youngins and the New York City Youngins are just like, not as interesting. Someone. It was just here. There was a comment here that said, I still think Roni, the Roni reboot is still going to be dead boring. I'm not sure if it will be or not. I think these. These seem like interesting changes and I'm actually be very open to it. I kind of think that Aaron Leechy is a bit of a drip, and I think she. She kind of sets the tone for the show. What about how did you like it, Lizzie? Because you told us something extraordinary beforehand, which is that you've actually never seen Old School Roni you've only seen the reboot. How did you like it? As someone who comes in with no context of the older what came beforehand,

[C]

you're really outing me, Ben. Well, it's a passing biggest secret.

[B]

She even looks like she's in a confession booth right now. We're totally like outing her. Like, I think confess her deepest, darkest secrets and then he outs you the second you get on here.

[C]

Yeah, I never watched the original Roni and I know I need to. I just have so much other stuff I have to watch because my own stupid podcast makes me watch, you know, four hour long movies. But yeah, I. I don't know why I liked it, but I did because I agree with you. Like, not that much happened. This last season was so frustrating with Bryn. I am very glad she's not back. That that whole thing was just like a mess and not fun to watch by the end of it at all, but crazy. It was so weird. That was so weird.

[B]

It was super weird and it was super karmic because the other one got canceled for being so problematic. And then this one, she got counseled. You know, it's like, yeah. And it was a different, slightly, slightly different problematic, but it was still like, ooh, yikes.

[C]

It just was sad. It was really sad. And yeah, I don't know. I think what drew me to it originally, honestly, was Jenna Lyons, because I grew up in the time of the Jenna Lyons J. Crew and like, I thought that was the coolest way to dress and that's everything that I wanted was Jenna Lyons J. Crew. So that, like, actually meant a lot to me to see her. And I actually really enjoyed watching her. Even if she didn't, like, bring a ton of drama. I liked her as a person and enjoyed watching her. And I very much enjoy Jessel. I think Jessel is fun, campy, the right energy. She's gorgeous. I am very into her overall, though. Like, I'm with you guys. Make it more gray gardens. Like, get, get these young ladies out of here. I want the kooky ones that have been stuck in New York for 65 years, you know, but how does it leave?

[B]

You know, they love it.

[A]

It's just two different shows. And, you know, I'm hoping someday you will get around to the old, old school running, which I think you're gonna really enjoy. It's. It's pretty, it's. It was a pretty special run. I think as a reality show. It's just, it's absolutely just. It's. It's women who are very, very Frank with each other. And I think that's why we were drawn to it. And so a lot of people say, oh, Miami and Salt Lake City, like, have the spirit of old Rooney. And so that's why I think a lot of us have, like, struggled with the reboot. And Jenna Lyons, though, like, that was. I mean, it's really interesting to hear that you were brought in by Jenna Lyons, because that was one of the reasons why she was cast, was to reach a whole new group of people, which is awesome. Did you ever watch Jenna Lyons show on HBO Max that was called. Was it called Stylish or whatever? It's like, Jenna Lyons will love that show because that one really showcased China Lyons in the best way. It was all Jenna Lyons. It was all her quirks and strangeness, and she's so ridiculous. She's like, well, today I decided I want to just renovate my town home. So I'm gonna do it, but I'm, like, really nervous about it, but just gonna do it. And, like, I just want to do. I want. I want the. I want the wall to be green. And then the next day she's like, I've decided the wall should be black. And, like, that's all it is, is her changing her mind and doing things. And. But then she gives, like, little tips on how she curates the objects in her home or how she puts together a. An outfit. And it's like, it's amazing. It's so good. And it was, like, sort of sad that they weren't able to truly tap into that with the reboot for her.

[C]

I. I definitely will watch that. Yeah, she felt very reserved, and I think understandably so. And I just saw somebody in the. In the comments. I'm not sure who it was, but they said, you know, I hope this season that. That people really stop trying to produce themselves. And I think that's such a good point. And honestly, that's like. Maybe my biggest complaint about more of the new cast members coming onto these shows is they're trying to produce themselves. It's people that have grown up with Bravo and reality tv, and they, like, understand how it's supposed to work and they're trying to manufacture it, and I don't want to watch that. And I'm not sure how we get away from it because we've now, you know, like, the snake is sort of eating itself at this point. But I hope they figure it out.

[B]

Well, I think a lot of it is that, first of all, it's going to be really hard to Do a reality show in 2026 where people have not seen one and they don't know what's going on. I mean, it's just what the time we're living in. Everybody's savvy to it. But one of the things about these shows that is so good as they age is that they can't control anything. Like, you come in thinking you can control it, and then you slowly start to spin out of control and lose your mind, and then you slowly go crazy or quickly go crazy, and that's when it gets fun. But New York really hasn't found a cast that they can keep yet. And so they're not really going crazy. And so it's the third year of like, oh, God. And, you know, they kind of got rid of all the diversity on this cast. Well, not all. Jessel still there, but you got rid of a lot of diversity to bring in some white blonde ladies. And it's like, what kind of message is that? You know, it's almost like, okay, well, we tried diversity, and so now we're just going back to blonde white ladies. Because that didn't work. It's like, it's not that diversity that didn't work work. It's Aaron. It's Aaron. Yeah. By the way, I said there's Jessel. I mean, obviously there's psy as well. Sorry.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

To do have psy erasure there, but you know what I mean. Right. It's like, yes. And then recast everybody as white blonde ladies. It's a little bit.

[C]

I was surprised that UBA wasn't. I. Because I actually really liked uba. I know she, you know, she was like. I think she was. I thought she was good.

[A]

We heard that she was just over it.

[C]

Like, yeah, I buy that.

[A]

Like, she was over it. And she also met this guy, went up to Connecticut. I think that. I think if they can center it on Jessel instead of Aaron, I think we could be in good shape because I think Jessel is funny and. And she's just like, we're fascinated by Jessel. I have to say, SAI is most improved. Her first season was. She was like, literally the worst, and we all hated her. And then second season, I thought. I think that psy sort of got the memo. Was like, you know what? Let me just be a little bit more myself. And she was way more entertaining. I think it's just Aaron is very. She does self produce, and I just. I don't know. Like, Aaron will stir up a stupid argument because she's thinking it's like, what we want to see. And I just. I think that if Eren could somehow be, like, more interesting, and I don't know what that would take.

[B]

There's a note. Hey, be more interesting.

[A]

I don't know what else to say. I don't know what else to say.

[B]

We don't have to be nice. You know, sometimes you don't. You just don't have to be nice. We're just watching a TV show. She's boring, and she sucks. She stirs the pot. And she was. She was at fault for that whole practical joke thing last year that got out of hand. She was annoying, you know, and psy. I think the second season, she was more palatable as a human being, but I think she was less entertaining. I mean, the first season was psy getting, you know, upset with things, and that was more entertaining than whatever the second season was. But you know what? As usual, we'll erase the DVRs on our brain and, yep, we're gonna start fresh. Give it another go.

[C]

I'm ready.

[A]

Yeah, I think what's. The Housewives are like sports, and you have some years where, like, hey, the, you know, the Patriots are killing it. They're doing. They're doing great. And some years where it's the 49ers and some years it's the Bears or whatever. And, like, we, you know, are. Sometimes our teams have. We have rebuilding years, and we have our dynasties, and then we have, you know, championship teams that come out of nowhere. But, like, I, I, I enjoy the ebbs and flows, and I think New York is just in its rebuilding. You know, it's. It's got a track record of, you know, 5 and 7, and maybe this season we can get it to a solid, you know, eight, eight and six first.

[C]

I'm ready. I'm ready. Let's find out.

[B]

Yeah. You just said sports, and I was

[C]

like, I don't know what five and seven, eight and six means. I'll be honest.

[B]

Yeah, back in eight and six. And I was like, that's the age we need for real ass lives of me. Okay, so next up, we've got Whitney Rose. So Whitney Rose made a splash the past couple of weeks at her drag brunch. She does these drag brunch now. These drag brunches now. Which I find annoying in itself, that she and Ashley are like, regular drag brunch hostesses. I don't like that. Leave the drag queens to the drag queens. Okay? And if you're gonna have a drag queen hosting or, sorry, you're gonna have a real housewife hosting a drag queen brunch. It needs to be, like, a real drag queenie, you know, like Luanne or Vanderpump or someone, like, over the top. Not Whitney.

[C]

Yeah, Whitney.

[A]

Whitney is definitely the definition of a girl that's like, literally. Yeah, yeah. She goes to the Abbey, you know.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Because gays do not love Whitney. I mean, we can. You know, Whitney's funny and stuff. I don't hate Whitney or anything, but, you know, she's not like a gay icon. She's just. I don't know, she's like a gay best friend, maybe. And some. I don't know. I'm talking myself into a corner. I don't need to. Whitney. Whitney.

[A]

She's not a gay.

[B]

So Whitney wasted is.

[C]

Is the. The big takeaway for me from this and many other videos.

[B]

Wastey basty. And after spending a whole season. You're an alcoholic, alcoholic pill popper. So these clips came out in the past couple of weeks of Whitney at one of these drag brunches, doing a Q and A, sitting here. I'll just. I mean, I'm not Play the video, but I'll at least put it on screen so people can have a visual of what we're talking about and basically going off, you know, and being shady about the cast, which I guess is what you're supposed to do at that kind of thing. But she just went a little far. And someone was asking what happened on the plane, and she's like, oh, yeah, I can't talk about it because of legal stuff, but I hate Meredith, and she's a C word. And, you know, just generally going off, being nasty.

[C]

I did think it was interesting, though, because she. She, like, really goes hard on. You know, she's doubling down on the story here. And then when the host asks her, like, do you have the recording? She has. She has a very, like, almost startled and confused answer. And I do think that's the big question that everybody keeps asking, right? Is like, how. How did no one record this if it really was the way that they say it is? I mean, I don't. What do you. What do you guys think? Like, what the hell is going on here?

[A]

Yeah, it's shocking that there's no recording. That's. That's. That is the thing that doesn't make sense, but, like, it's hard because Meredith, the way she acted on the boat and the way we've seen her flip out before in previous situations, it's not like a crazy thing. To imagine that she was also losing her mind on a plane because she's. No stuff before. But I do think when Meredith really loses her mind, it's loud and someone would have recorded it. Even someone in, like. Like, economy probably would have set that camera up. Looking through the mesh blinds, like, it just. It's like, that's Meredith Marks. If you're having an. Like, it's just. It's. Something does not add up here. And I'm wondering, like, are they. Did it feel really big to the women? Like, I feel like the truth is in there somewhere. I also don't know if Meredith would. I think Meredith has, like, actually, like, an awareness of her surroundings that makes me say. I don't think Meredith would actually have a meltdown on an airplane like, that. She would maybe on. On camera, on set. But, like, I think she has an awareness, like, she. As she. And so, like, it's just been so hard to, like, reconcile these stories because I can sort of see everyone's side, and I. I just have to imagine. Must have felt much bigger to the women, maybe because they were on an airplane. It felt like, oh, my God, this is awful. But in reality, it actually was maybe not that bad.

[B]

I think Meredith probably did it. I think it was just a Meredith moment. And then everyone tried to make it a big deal when Meredith does it five times an episode. But. So one of the things she said, they said, what do you think about Meredith and the plane? And she said, well, it's women histories month, and I should support C words. And then everybody's like. And then she was like, but how does everybody on the plane have the exact same story but her? And the problem was, you did not all have the exact same story. They were all different. Some of you were asleep, then you were awake, Then it was, you know, 10 minutes, then it was five hours, then it was 30 hours, and the plane ride was only two hours. And then, you know, Meredith firebombed Brittany's apartment building. It's like, what is it?

[C]

You know, I do. I mean, it is interesting what she brought up in that. Where she said that there is some kind of, like, legal issue or lawsuit happening in the background. And that. That's part of why she was. She was insinuating that that's why. Ooh. Like, is there footage? I can't say because of this legal thing. There's not footage. Right. Like, I feel like at this point, that's been pretty much confirmed.

[B]

No, there's no. If there's footage, they're keeping Quiet about it. That's right.

[C]

Yeah, definitely. I'm, I'm with you guys. I think like somewhere in the middle, I think definitely Meredith was a crazy person on the plane to Brittany. She's been a crazy person on camera to Brittany. But I don't think it was to the extent that Whitney is claiming because I just, I cannot believe that somebody would not have recorded it. It doesn't make sense.

[A]

Salt Lake City really needs to get their camera situation right because this is at least the second time we've had a massive off camera situation between this and the Black Eye with Heather Gay.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

That.

[A]

It's like, you know, I love. I really enjoyed this airplane storyline. I, I enjoyed that long sit down lunch they had at Valter's where they hashed out. I thought it was really fun. But it does get exhausting having to like come up with all these theories about something that like we could have seen if someone had just turned on a camera or like have a GoPro filming or something like that.

[B]

Just.

[A]

It's so annoying after a while.

[C]

Yeah. The black eye was such a. Like I was gross by the end. It was gross. It was so anticlimactic. I was, I was mad at Heather. Like, it was really weird.

[B]

It was super weird. Blaming, like, hinting that production could have done it. And then they had to have a whole, you know, they had to have a whole investigation into that. And then the next year when Andy confronted her about it again, she, she was just like, well, I have an admission to make about the black eye. It was Jen Shaw, but I don't remember, so I don't remember what happened since. How do you know it's Jen Shaw? Come on, man. Yeah, get your story straight.

[A]

I think, I think that it's. It's always a red flag when storylines on one of these shows start to focus a lot on things that, that are like, happen outside the show. It's like, who leaked what to what blogger who said what. There was a. There was a thing that didn't happen. And I think that, you know, sometimes it can be funny. It's like there was a dinner and then I was snubbed. It can be funny, but ultimately it has to happen on camera, which is why I imagine there is. What's going around is talk that Bravo for the, for the new season of Salt Lake City center added some sort of like, mega clause that says everything has to happen on camera.

[C]

Yeah. There's no manipulation of narratives.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you.

[B]

Yeah, I think this is pretty interesting. They called it the narrative integrity clause. Basically, the cast are not allowed to create, influence, or leak storylines about the show and other cast members off off camera. This includes using third parties as a proxy, and any on camera discussions about unverified activity will be cut from the final edit. Verified activity.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Punishable on a scale that includes financial penalties, loss of screen times, demolition, demolition, demotion, firing, and inability to rent movies from the red box machines in front of 7:11.

[C]

Can you imagine if they were like, you must dupe this out via monster trucks. Lisa Barlow. That would be incredible.

[A]

She's talking about leaking to the blogs. All right, get Drunkasaurus ready.

[C]

They should do that.

[A]

I think it's great.

[B]

You are at risk of demolition.

[A]

Monday.

[B]

Monday.

[A]

Monday.

[B]

Oh, John.

[A]

I think it's actually great because I think it's gonna be very hard to enforce, you know, like if, like, oh, you leaked something. They're all gonna deny all the time. But what they can enforce is if you're talking about. If you're complaining about something that got leaked, then we're not gonna put this on tv. Which is an interesting pullback because Bravo, for the longest time was not acknowledging, you know, the media, and they had been breaking the fourth wall, which has been really great. But now it's kind of like a way of saying, okay, we're not putting it on the show. So if you want to make it something we're not putting on the show. But then the risk is, I imagine, is that we might get those fights that are like proxy fights for something bigger where you're like, why are they mad at this? Why are they mad about that towel? Why they keep talking about this towel? And it turns out the towel is like code for, you know, leaking the blogs.

[B]

Well, that already kind of happened this year because Meredith and Brittany were fighting the whole time about that anti Semitic or anti Semitic hunty guy, the hunty nails person, the whole time. And we didn't know what they were fighting about.

[C]

I still don't. I don't know anything about that.

[B]

That's. They. They fought about it in the reunion. It's where Meredith. Okay, there was a nail salon guy, nail tech guy in Salt Lake City who was making really anti semitic comments to one of the customers over text. And this guy published all the texts. And Brit then that he called Brittany was like, hey, you know, you're one of my customers, and I need some help here. I'm getting slammed online. You know, could you give me a review? I'm getting. I'm getting review bombed. So Brittany went on and gave him a glowing review. And so did Jared. And then got her nails done for free for watch what happens. And then everybody's writing her. It was in the news and stuff in Salt Lake, the local news at least. And they were like, hey, listen, this guy's really anti Semitic. Why are you giving him these good reviews? And she's like, well, I don't know about that. I'll have to look into it. And then just kept him up there. And so people started freaking out that she was doing that. And then they called Jared and Jared. You. You hear Jared in the background like, I'm not taking anything down because of the woke mob and blah, blah, blah. And these people was too sensitive. You need to get over it because he's a big trumpy, you know? And so.

[C]

Oh, what a surprise.

[B]

Then that turned into Meredith in the beginning of production, not speaking to Britney. And then they had a big fight. And then Brittany had to apologize to Meredith. And then. So Meredith went through it like, no, this lady's anti Semitic. I don't want to shoot with her. So that was kind of the underlying thing to everything that happened that season between Meredith and Brittany. So that already happened the whole season. I don't know that you can have a housewives where everything has to be talked about that's on camera and not off camera. Because a lot of happens off camera every housewife season. They're fighting about something that happened at some party we weren't there at. You know, I don't know.

[C]

Fair enough. I gotta look into that more.

[B]

It's ugly. It's a. But, you know, it's a good Reddit. It's a good Reddit hole to fall down. It's a lot. I love a Reddit hole, so I love. I love some Reddit hole. That's our new porn. Reddit, full porn. I know.

[A]

Reddit stuck. Reddit stuck.

[C]

You know, it's there.

[B]

You heard it. Oh, yeah.

[C]

I can't get off this subreddit.

[B]

Am I the asshole? Oh, yeah, commercials.

[C]

Here comes one right now.

[B]

Okay, okay, what's next here? I opened something else. Oh. But the rest of that story, I didn't finish it was that they. The whole cast is supposed to be back, everybody including Meredith, including Lisa, including Heather, who some people out there who are horrible people were rooting for to get fired. It was me and Britney. And Brittany's also back and they announced that they are bringing in a new woman, but they haven't announced who that is yet. So I hate when they do that. I want to be able to prejudge.

[C]

Can you imagine? Can you imagine?

[A]

I know.

[B]

And back. I just can't get over that. That feeling. Go ahead, Ben. I'm sorry.

[A]

I was gonna say notably, obviously not really very funny, but Mary Cosby is going to film this season because I. I think we all were wondering, is she. Is she going to. Because, you know, her poor sweet son, you know, passed away and, you know, is she going to mourn? Is it just. Or stay private, whatever. But she is going to film, which will be, you know, that'll be interesting to watch. Be interesting to watch her journey. But I also hope that, like, she's taking care of herself first. And, like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, part of me is like, don't film if you don't. If you need to have some. If you need to have some, you time, like, we will all understand and we will all welcome you back next season.

[B]

Season.

[A]

Like, don't you worry, you know?

[B]

Yeah. I say, say take a season off personally.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because Salt Lake City really is just the cartooniest show on tv. I feel like it's not the place for any kind of serious conversation where you need pure sensitivity for an entire season. It's just not the place. Like, you can't. Yeah, you can't expect something like that from this show. Although they've shown. It's not that they've never shown sensitivity, but this is a big. This is a big one.

[C]

It's just stressful to be around them. Like, it's not. I don't think anyone's gonna mess with her, but, you know, it just.

[B]

They better not. But that's also why it's bad, because you need to be able to mess with everybody on a Housewives show. Right?

[A]

Yeah. I also just feel like, you know, when you're on those shows, you basically have all of us here on the Internet commenting on every single thing, and I just kind of. I'm just. I'm just hoping that this will be, like. Part of me wants her to go into protective cocoon for a year, and then she can come back. But you know what? It's her choice. And whatever it takes for her like, that. That. That'll be what it is. Godspeed.

[B]

Well, Lizzie, you've either gotten amazing Botox or your screen is frozen. So if your screen is frozen, just refresh your page and we'll try and. We'll try and let you back in. I hope. I hope it just refresh. Just refresh. I just hope your daughter didn't just knock the Internet out on accident or something.

[A]

I've had enough of this slander. I hate it. It's a sisterhood.

[B]

Okay, what do you want to talk about next, Ben?

[A]

You know, why don't we talk about some traders? Traders. We, you know, ended. We had a reunion, you know, you know, we said we were gonna cover the reunion.

[C]

I don't.

[A]

I feel like there wasn't that much to cover. It was just sort of like, you know, it was like they talked. Right. Did you enjoy that reunion? What were your thoughts?

[B]

I'm watching it tonight, actually. I didn't know we're gonna talk about it here, but I read. I've read. I'm sorry, but I can bring that.

[A]

Sprung that on you.

[B]

Why? Can't ask you about stuff. I read that Candace was, you know, trying to get into it with Rob and accused him of cheating, which.

[A]

Yeah, well, those rumors had been around for the past few weeks that Rob had been basically giving Colton information, and then basically, you know, they were working together in that way. And because Colton had gone up to Candace and said. Apparently it said, I know that Rob's a traitor, and we have. Blah, blah, blah, we have to do whatever. And so, Candace, wait, wait, wait.

[B]

Just for anybody who has not watched Traders yet, I know everybody watches at different times. We are talking traders for the next five minutes. So if you do not want to know spoilers, put us on mute for five or fast forward five minutes. Whatever. Okay, go ahead, Ben.

[A]

Yeah. And so Colton was saying, I know Rob is a traitor. Oh, Lizzie is back. Wait, first. Oh, sorry.

[B]

The traitor. Hey, the traitor was back.

[A]

Lizzie, are you watching the traitors or did you watch the traitors?

[C]

Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[A]

We're talking. Talking just about briefly the reunion. And just Ronnie was asking. He's going to watch it tonight. He was just asking about, you know, Candace accusing Rob of leaking information to Colton. And I was just explaining that, you know, Colton had said, like, apparently, I know Rob's a traitor and whatever, we should work together or something like that. But then Colton explained. No, I was just saying that because, you know, I don't know who's a traitor. And I just said. Sounded actually pretty innocent to me in the. In the reunion. Did you watch the reunion?

[C]

I did.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I. I agree with you. I don't. And I thought Rob's reaction was very, like, you know, like, he literally said, you know, that this show, everything is recorded. There's cameras everywhere. We're miked at all times. Like, you know, that didn't happen. If it had happened I would have been kicked off the show. And I also just. I don't think he would have done that. That would have been so stupid. Like, it wouldn't have made sense for him to do that. He was playing so well. But I love. I do.

[A]

Yeah. His whole shtick in the reunion was so funny because it was basically Candace saying, you lied. You lied to my face. And he's like, yeah, it's the game. He's like, but, yeah, I did. She's like, but you lied. It's like, I did, yes.

[B]

It's called Traitors. And didn't she tell him something like, well, you know, when I turned on you, I had to. She said something like, I had to come for you because I was saving my game. And he's like, but you lost. Like, you lost your game because of it. Yeah. You lost because of that.

[C]

Yeah. She did deliver one of the funniest lines ever in that reunion, though. And it's like, it's off camera. It's just captioned at the bottom because you can barely hear it. But it's when Maura's talking about how badly she wants the Birkin that apparently Rob has promised her because, you know, he let her down. And she. You just hear Candace go, the purse girl. He can't even buy a shirt. That's good. That is good. We laughed.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So hard at that.

[A]

Yeah, it was. It was a perfectly nice reunion.

[B]

I.

[A]

What I. What I've been really loving is the Rinna and Rob reconnection. And they've been going out and about together. They have, like, a. A commercial that they did for Sonic that's really good. And I just. I do love how they are like this. This odd couple. It makes me. It makes me sad that they could not go all the way as traitors. And one thing in the reunion was that Rinna and Candice were like, we would have gone all the way with you. And he's like, I don't think you would have. And, like, we think you wanted. You had no intention to go with us all the way. And he's like, no, I did.

[B]

I did, I did.

[A]

And then eventually he's like, yeah, I wasn't gonna ever go all the way with you guys.

[B]

Well, yeah, but also, traitors don't go all the way to the end with each other. They just traditionally don't. I've watched so many seasons in this show now, and that's just not how it works. You're supposed to screw. That's why in the beginning, they always say okay, let's stay with each other as long as we can. They're always like, let's stay together. You know, let's not go after each other right away. They say it every season, so it's part of the game. You guys, like, call my day. Call my day.

[C]

There was like a nice moment between Rena and Andy Cohen in the reunion, though, where she's. Because, you know, she talks about how it was so lovely to be able to not be on Beverly Hills and like, be herself on. On TV again. And I actually. I agree. Like, it actually was really nice to see her this season. I thought. I thought she was. But then she has this moment where she acknowledges that, you know, like, she was the villain and Andy kind of like reaches over to her and he was like, not the whole time. Like, give yourself a little bit of a break. And I thought that was interesting. Although, will he still say that after her bonkers book has come out?

[A]

Yeah, well, I think he will because. Because the book came out and she has had all these things to say. Part of one of the things that has been getting a lot of press is that she, like, he. She was really upset that he took private text messages with her and just put them in his book.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Like that. And that was like, very, very upsetting to her. And actually something that came out in the reunion was that Portia was so mad at Lisa Rinna for voting for her that Portia went and like, destroyed all her. Rena. Rena makeup.

[C]

Lip kit. Yes.

[B]

She broke all her lipsticks.

[C]

She had them in a bag. She comes with a bag of, like, crushed up goo. That was Lisa Rinna lipsticks. And then Lisa Rinna is like, it's okay. My company went bankrupt anyway.

[A]

Yeah, don't worry about it.

[B]

I think I got rid of mine too. I wonder if mine is still up there on my little crap.

[A]

They're now rare relics.

[B]

Okay, so we're done with Traders Talk now. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna put in the chat. Okay, so we're done with Traders Talk, but yeah, Rena. Well, this is Traders, but it's not about spoilers. Rinna said that at the finale or at the whatever finale viewing party at the abbey that she was roofied and that Colton actually noticed that she was way too fucked up too fast and got her out of there. He whisked her away and saved her life in the end. So it all works out between those crazy. Of course, people are online, are like, well, Colton probably did it.

[C]

That was my first thought.

[A]

But I don't it's not.

[B]

It's not far off from the news we've been reading.

[C]

No. I don't know what to make of him. And the fact that Bravo put him back on tv. I don't know what they were expecting. You know, we. We have access to the Internet, and some of us remember that whole situation, but.

[B]

Yeah. Well, this is some breaking news. This actually just happened, what, a couple hours ago? I think 54 minutes. I don't know. I can't tell Monique. So Monique Samuels posted on Threads. A lot of time has passed since the reunion was filmed. And after gaining more info since then, I don't believe Stacy had anything to do with any of that. I'll probably go live on IG at some point this week and give you all the entire story. I haven't watched the reunion episodes yet, so let me catch up and get back to you. But I at least wanted to clear her name on all of it. Well, after it's all done, I mean. But thanks. Well, that's good. Stacy's had her name cleared on something. That's a first.

[A]

That's good. I'm glad to hear that, because we. We had a hard time believing that Stacy had. Had reached out to Chris after Monique's conversation. So we'll definitely have to track that.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Okay, that's gonna be interesting to watch.

[B]

All right, now let's check in with Kyle Richards, guys. You know, every morning I wake up and I'm like, I wonder what Kyle Richards is thinking right now. So this is from Reality Blur, the famous French magazine. Kyle Richards reacts to Dorit, Bose and Rachel being so mean to Amanda and shares her update on her status with Dorit. What do you think of this? Kyle coming out and constantly standing up for Amanda, saying that everybody's just being mean to Amanda.

[C]

Is she though? I. Maybe I'm. I might be going down my own. I'm stuck in a Reddit hole here. But I. So I watched that. I'm gone. I watched that clip, and she's reacting to a comment, and the comment is, you know, like, what do you make of how they say, like, how mean she was to Bose? Or. I mean, Bose and Dorit and Sutton were to Amanda. And the way that she responds is like, oh, you know, I just hadn't really met Amanda before, and I. So I was trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, and I think she just rubbed them the wrong way. And then she goes, but I guess you're really just going to have to see how that plays out. I wonder if. If Kyle ends up hating Amanda. Like, I can't tell where this is going to go, and probably not because I know Amanda still talks about Kyle on, you know, watch what happens and everything. But that almost read to me, like, maybe there's something coming where Amanda really pisses everyone off, including Kyle.

[B]

I mostly say Kyle on the show, so I can see all these comments come in. Barf emoji. Kyle news fest. Why Kyle? Kyle, Barf emoji. So funny.

[A]

I think the enemy of my enemy is my friend. And I think Amanda and Dorit seem to be having a nice feud that's brewing and. And Kyle has. This has been uneven with Dorit for the past few years, and I think Kyle does not want to look like the bad guy in that situation. And she's trying to be the nice one. I'm the nice. And I'm really trying with. To read. I'm really, really trying. But she doesn't really like to read anymore, and. But she doesn't want to be seen as the one who's the aggressor or the one who would be responsible that relationship falling apart. So I think she's perfectly happy to have Amanda there to make Dorit's life annoying.

[B]

She's not really seeing Amanda. She's seeing a cudgel wearing a tutu, you know, sideways over her neck.

[A]

There you go. Manifested.

[C]

Oh, my God. I. You know, the problem with Amanda Francis is that she's. She's insufferable, obviously. I think that goes without saying, but she's also, like, correct a lot of the time, which really sucks. Like, when she keeps defending herself and saying, like, yes, I said that. But I agree. I was just agreeing with Kyle. And then they roll the footage. It's true. Every single time she's saying that, it is true. Like, she's. She's not lying. She's just really annoying. And she also is stirring things up. I don't know. I mean, I. I agree with Bo that she's a total grifter, but, like,

[B]

I'm enjoying watching her on the show. I think she's just so funny. And, you know, when we did the crappies this weekend, we have our friend Katie, who's a comic. She comes out and does all the songs and stuff. She's like the band, the house band. And she dresses as the different characters from the year. And she had two from Beverly Hills, Rachel Zo, who, you know, was iconic before the show but probably even more now and then, she had Amanda Francis and her sideways tutu over the. Over her head. And so I think that's something. You know, she's new, but people are already dressing up like her. I mean, having Katie dress like you is like having a drag queen dress like you.

[C]

So it's pretty good. We should all aspire to it.

[B]

Yeah, give her some credit. You know, I saw Bose doing an interview earlier because Bose and Amanda have been kind of going at it in interview battles where, you know, Amanda went on to a podcast and was like, well, Bose is likely mean to me about my business, but, like, maybe she needs to look under why she's so mad because. Because, like her, she has an online business and it was losing money. Like, she even told me, so maybe she should ask herself why she's so jealous. And so they told Bose this in another interview, and she's like, maybe Amanda should not worry about my business because my business is amazing. And, you know, if she. I understand that she would want to think that that's why I don't like her or that she's fishy, but that is not the reason.

[C]

It's like, oh, Bose is so, like, she gets her every time when she drops those bombs. They're so good. Like, that's my favorite thing to watch this season is just Bo's coming for Amanda in the most, like, straightforward, you know, because everything she says is so right and it's so smart. And I loved her face when Amanda was explaining, you know, her money techniques to her and Bose was like, where is. Where is the financial information? Like, where. Yeah, what is this?

[A]

Bose looked horrified.

[B]

Explain to us how you make money from that. Someone is saying, someone's asking on here. Did you guys see Amanda on watch what happens? I did not. I saw that she was on it. I didn't watch a whole episode, but I did see a clip someone posted to Reddit which said, like, why is this woman so psycho? And it just shows like a close up when I don't know if they're going to commercial, but Amanda just turns and stares at the side camera and she's like, just staring directly into the camera, like, for a full 30 seconds and then just kind of looks away.

[C]

She's very strange. Well, they did a whole thing where they're like, can you tell us your regrets? And they have a regret counter. And she, of course, has zero out of nine regrets. And the other guest is Gigi from the Persian Valley style. And she's like, do you regret not having any regrets? And Amanda's like, no. It's so weird.

[A]

She's like a literal grifter on Bravo. And, like, yeah, totally insufferable, totally terrible. But the fact that she's bothering everyone is good, because if she weren't there, I really don't know what would be happening on this season, the Beverly Hills.

[C]

Also, to be fair, there are a lot of grifters on Bravo. She's just like. She's an open snake oil salesman. She's, you know, she's literally pedaling like, this is my snake oil. Then other people are maybe hiding it a little bit more.

[B]

And also, she's doing really well with her grift, which I think, you know, once you've watched Bravo for a long time and you've seen a lot of grifters, and we see grifters fail all the time. You know, the businesses don't work, they turn out to be fake, they go to jail, you know, whatever starts happening. It's nice to see somebody being so successful with grifting, you know?

[C]

Yeah. Could we all do this?

[B]

Yeah. So this is kind of a random thing. It's time to end. But I did want to talk about this. Why are Dorinda and Sally fighting?

[C]

Yes. This was my favorite story that you sent. Because it's so random.

[A]

What is it?

[B]

What happened? So during an interview with Page Six Radio. Oh, and by the way, this is such a Dorinda story because it's being reported on aol.

[C]

Well, yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because, you know, Dorinda's like.

[A]

Anyway, so I guess. I guess Dorinda said something or whatever that, like, Sally was like, she's so mean to me. And so Sally was, like, telling people that Dorinda was mean to her. And then I guess on the show, Kiki asked Dorinda, why are you being mean to Sally? Because Sally was like, you know us. I sent her a dm and she never wrote back. She's so angry at me. Wow. She's so mean. And Dorinda was like, I didn't know what. She sent me a DM. I know. She never sent me a DM. And Kiki was like, check your DMs. And Dorinda was like, I'll be right back. I'm going to the mailbox.

[B]

No, not outside.

[A]

Yeah. And apparently she, like, was like, oh, yeah, there is a DM there. And she's like, oh, she's very. It was very. Is very nice. Very nice dm. So what I'll say is, Charlie's a. Because. So.

[B]

But she wrote me a very sweet, nice, adoring dm. It involves Words like, I'm sorry and you look beautiful. And you know what? I'm just gonna say Charlie's a. Gary said it.

[C]

Yeah, Charlie's a bitch. First of all, Charlie's not a bitch. No, no. I've been actually really enjoying her on Southern Charm, and Sally is just. Sally is just all over the place. I don't know. I mean, Lindsay had, like, shady stuff to say about Sally on Watch what Happens Live, too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is that. Are Sally and Kyle. Is that. Is that a verified thing?

[C]

Kyle Cook?

[A]

No, I thought that was a thing I saw. Okay, I'll look it up.

[C]

Sally, hey, did Kyle Cook leave the crappies this year and cheat on his wife again, or was that just last year?

[A]

Thankfully. Thankfully, no reports of anyone.

[B]

That was so disappointing. I just, you know, this to be a place that you can come cheat on your wife without getting caught. You know, Like, I feel like we should at least have that. We should be a refuge.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Sorry.

[A]

So Sally Carson addresses romance rumors with Kyle Cook.

[C]

No.

[A]

Yeah, and she also, by the way, she also slammed Whitner Slagsvall as an entitled prick, so isn't there something, like,

[C]

political going on there? I don't know enough about this, actually.

[B]

With who?

[C]

With Sally and. And Whitner.

[A]

I don't know. I. I didn't know if there was something. Yeah, maybe. I know that.

[B]

Well, that's the speculation that she's really maga. Yeah, he's, you know, obviously not. So. Yeah, that could be some of it, but who knows? Well, that brings us to the end of Crappy hour. Lizzie. Oh, my God. So much fun talking to you. Thank you so much for being here.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

Find Lizzie Bassett at Lizzie Bassett on Instagram and her podcast at what Went Wrong Pod. And also, you can find what Went wrong anywhere you listen to podcasts, because it's, like, pretty big. And we were on the Gray Gardens episode, so go listen to that one. We had a great time doing that. And, Lizzy, thanks a lot. I hope we get to hang out with you again soon.

[C]

Yes, please. And we'll have to do episodes for each of your favorite movies where things went horribly wrong.

[B]

Yes. All right. You're the best. We'll talk to you later. Thanks for being here, everybody.

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