#3237 The Valley Persian Style S1E09: Woosah in the Sky With Trymonds

Summary

Watch What Crappens Episode #3237

The Valley Persian Style S1E09: Woosah in the Sky With Trymonds

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: March 2, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the season finale of Bravo’s "The Valley: Persian Style," with Ben and Ronnie giving their trademark irreverent (“mock because we love”) recap. They reflect on both the latest drama in The Valley, as well as on their own eventful week—coming off the Golden Crappies awards and bracing for both absurdity and realness in Bravo-land.

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Main Themes and Purposes

• The Valley: Persian Style finale recap: Celebrating the mess, the absurdity, the realness, and the monster-qualities of the cast—especially the polarizing Sky and Gigi.
• Friendship, feuding, and cycles of dysfunction: Exploring problematic marriages, old wounds, and attempts at reconciliation among the show's cast.
• Escapism vs. Reality: Wrestling with Bravo’s role as an escape from grim real-world news.
• Community gratitude: The highs of the Golden Crappies event and connecting with fans.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Post-Crappies Glow & Escaping Reality (02:00–09:19)

• Ben and Ronnie reflect on the success and chaos of the Golden Crappies, noting the stress and magic, the big-name guests, and the support from Patreon (03:02–06:46).
  • “To everyone who showed up for us, thank you. The entire cast of Vanderpump Rules showed up... I’ve been on a high ever since.” —Ben (03:18)
• Ronnie voices whiplash between Bravo joy and grim real-life headlines, like tragedies in Austin and global conflict (06:46–08:10).
  • “I’m going between: is Kenya Moore getting evicted? To, like, a bomb...” —Ronnie (06:55)
• Bravo as (temporary) escapism: Both agree it’s okay to “stick your head in the glitter” for a bit. (09:19)
  • “Don’t stick your head in the sand. Stick it in the glitter. Am I right?” —Ben (09:19)

2. The State of ‘The Valley: Persian Style’ (09:19–12:48)

• The finale arrived sooner than expected—just nine episodes. Ben marvels at the “mess” of the group and calls out the hypocrisy of certain cast members.
  • “You guys are all monsters on the show, especially Reza and Gigi. You got another show and now you’re calling someone else a monster. No, Sky, you’re amazing television.” —Ben (09:58)
• Gigi’s “failing upwards” becomes a recurring joke.
  • “It ends with her succeeding. It ends with her kind of winning her season. So it’s like, welcome to LA, babe.” —Ronnie (12:41)

3. Newbies vs. Veterans: Character Deep-Dive (10:28–12:48)

• The hosts assess cast dynamics:
  • Sky: “Gave no fucks by the end” (10:28)
  • Tanin: “Sleep pillow... anyone in there?” (10:33)
  • Gigi: “Stuck in the rut of 2017,” out of place, feckless and somehow succeeding (11:51)
  • Reza: A “sideline” presence
  • MJ and Tommy: Their unraveling marriage is “interesting television” (11:37)

4. Recapping Final Episode Scenes

Launch Party Drama (17:18–19:41, 48:05–68:33)

• Tanin’s “Farm to Face” party is the backdrop for all late-season drama:
  • “Farm to face? I just think of manure. For some reason, Farm to table sounds delicious. Farm to face... worst things I’m putting on my face.” —Ronnie (17:29)
  • “Your faces look crazy. Just call it ‘farm to fable.’” —Ben (17:56)
• Sky’s alienation and everyone preparing for confrontation: “Is there any way we can just skip this party?” —Sky. Bombshad: “I want to support Tanin... She made a really good moisturizer for dogs.” (46:01–46:24)
• Classic Persian party dynamics: Arrival on “Persian Standard Time.” Adam’s code-switching gets attention: “It’s called code switching, bitches. Don’t be such a white girl.” —Ben (52:58)

MJ & Tommy’s Marriage Therapy (27:44–40:25)

• Tommy’s resistant, combative therapy session is a highlight:
  • “What am I gonna do, pick a booger out of my nose, make into a shape, tell you what picture I see?” —Tommy (28:42)
  • “Tommy, you have to work on your anger.” —Dr. Marshall (36:25)
    • “She’s like, yeah, that’s exactly right.” —Ben (35:30)
  • “I think you do need to work on your anger… That’s exactly right.” —Ronnie (35:24)
• Deeper wounds discussed: Tommy's childhood trauma and inability to heed criticism from therapists.
  • “Every therapist I see is so sucky…” —Tommy (30:24)
• Marriage dissolves off-screen: “October 17th, Mercedes files for divorce... The therapist has closed the shop, changed her name, and moved to a different town.” (70:58)

Salt Cave Scene — Gigi/Loch Nessa & Reza Jax (24:41–27:30)

• Gigi peppers the scene with her “dangerous” persona (“I’m such a man eater in my natural state… I just got out of juvie and learned some things. I’m trying to be good”) (25:34, 27:07).

Climax: Gigi Throws a Drink on Sky (60:21–66:44)

• Group fixates on ambushing Sky.
  • “Oh my God, Sky, Bombshad are here. What are we gonna do?” —Ronnie (53:57)
• Petty confrontation: a “you didn’t say hi to me first” dispute.
• Gigi, in a move to claim the season’s finale drama, throws a drink on Sky:
  • “I should… Should I throw my drink? And then Adam said, you should, Persian girlfriend. And I said, okay... Whoops, the drink went all over her. I regret nothing. I did it.” —Gigi (66:08–66:15)
  • “If someone did that to Gigi, she would be like, wow, you really started it now… It was also a really desperate attempt to have a reality show moment.” —Ben (61:46)
  • “Gigi’s like an uninteresting monster… Sky is fun, campy, arch; Gigi is just lame...” —Ronnie (62:25–62:43)

Finale Montage and Updates (68:33–71:28)

• Emotional closure (or lack thereof): Relationships end, the group dances, life (absurd and messy) goes on.
• “Sky tells us: Look at this group. There’s going to be a lot of people who don’t like me or who hate my guts. But guess what? I don’t care.” —Ben (67:52)
• “October 17th, Mercedes files for divorce…” (70:58)

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• “No, Sky, you’re amazing television. I hope you’re on here for 20 years...” —Ben (09:58)
• “You can’t do that in life, but you’re allowed to do it for, like, a little bit every day... Find a little bit of peace and joy and find your fellow people.” —Ronnie (08:40)
• “Judged! I’m just telling you to leave him, not judging your marriage. I’m just saying it’s over.” —Ben on Reza and MJ’s marriage (23:12)
• “She abuses people. She makes no effort in life. She fails at everything and all she does is like ugly dudes to like get her name on businesses and it’s gross… But she, she succeeds. That I think is a very LA story.” —Ronnie on Gigi (12:07)
• “I think you do need to work on your anger.” —Dr. Marshall to Tommy (36:25)
• “You mess with my best friend Gigi, you don’t mess with Persian chicks. Am I right, girlfriend? One Persian chick to another.” —Adam (64:02)
• “Gigi’s like an uninteresting monster. That’s the problem. Sky is like a fun, campy, arch monster, whereas Gigi is just... lame. It doesn’t feel authentic.” —Ronnie (62:43)

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Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|---------| | 02:00-09:19 | Post-Crappies, the stress and joy, and Bravo as escapism | | 09:19-12:48 | ‘Valley: Persian Style’ finale set-up; Sky & Gigi assessments | | 17:18-19:41, 48:05-68:33 | Party drama: Tanin’s “Farm to Face” skincare launch | | 27:44-40:25 | MJ & Tommy: therapy/marriage unraveling | | 24:41-27:30 | Gigi & Reza Jax: the salt cave “bad girl” routine | | 60:21-66:44 | Gigi throws a drink on Sky | | 68:33-71:28 | Finale montage; MJ & Tommy divorce shocker announcement |

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Tone and Language

• Original vibe kept intact: Fast, snarky, self-aware, affectionate-yet-cutting banter; a tone that relishes in both the “crap” and humanity of Bravo reality TV.
• The hosts occasionally turn serious, especially around real-life issues and emotional struggles of the cast, but immediately return to irreverence ("stick your head in the glitter").
• The language is peppered with inside jokes, playful analogies, and banter that parodies cast quirks and reality show tropes.

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Summary Takeaways

• The season finale of "Valley: Persian Style" was a microcosm of Bravo chaos—petty fights, therapy sessions that unravel, parties as battlegrounds, and a group that somehow fails upward.
• Sky emerges as a campy anti-heroine in the cast’s eyes and the hosts’ affections, while Gigi, positioned as a villain, delivers less than she thinks.
• The dissolution of MJ & Tommy’s marriage is handled with a mix of genuine pathos and withering humor.
• Ben and Ronnie reinforce the magic of the Bravo community as a space where people can briefly check their worries and “stick their heads in the glitter.”
• The episode ends with the hope that Bravo brings "The Valley: Persian Style" back—ideally in a less crowded TV season.

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For first-time listeners: This episode is a masterclass in Bravo commentary—satirical, affectionate, sometimes biting, always devoted to celebrating “the crap” in all of us.

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[Ronnie]

Hi, Ronnie. How's it going? Good.

[Ben]

How are you? Do you have fun at the Golden Crappies?

[Ronnie]

I. I cannot actually express to you how much fun I had Friday night. Like, I feel like every year it just gets bigger and better. And I just have to say thank you first of all to you, Ronnie, for being an amazing partner through it. Because it's too much. So much work. It's like two months of. Of insane stress and coordination. I go crazy and I feel like I enter a fun house and I'm just like. And I feel like everything is. I just, like, lose my mind. I just try to be chill for two months, but I. But I just, you know, it's like To. To have all that and leading up to that moment is wonderful, but really, the fact that everyone came like that, that you all in the audience, you all came and you packed it. You. You got into all those seats and you stayed. We had a long show. We did the. We committed a party fou. Committed the. The award show. Party foul. We went long this year. But I think it's. Honestly, Ronnie, every year.

[Ben]

What are you talking about?

[Ronnie]

No, but this. But here's the thing, though. Normally, I know the two of us when we're up there, that we have a moment where we sort of, like, nudge each other. Like, we should probably hurry this up. I think we really didn't do that because I think we were actually having so much fun. I think we were. For us, it was so much fun. The guests were amazing. To everyone who showed up for us, like, thank you. To literally all those people, we had the. I think, the biggest guest. Guest roster of all time from, like, you know, like, A.J. mcLean from the Backstreet Boys, Ariana Love Island, Kitty Janella, Crystal Kong Minkoff, like, all of our podcast friends. So many people, like, the. The entire cast of, like, Vanderpump Rules showed up. Like, we weren't even expecting that. So it was just such a fun thing that, like, I don't know, I'm. I've been on a high ever since. I mean, enough about me. What about you, Ronnie? How are you feeling?

[Ben]

Oh, my gosh, it was so fun. And then it went from that just straight back to Texas. I'm back in Texas now, so. And then watching a million Bravo shows. It's never. It never stops. And it's been so much fun. I had a great time. I'm sorry for wrecking everybody's ears with that keytar. Maybe I'll learn to play it before I pull it out next time. My niece was like, uncle, like, learn how to play it before you.

[Ronnie]

She's like, that needs a little work.

[Ben]

I mean, good call. But it was fun. It's just a big toy for a big baby. And I just had so much fun. And your New York song was so good. Thank you. And the music, Jake. And then Katie and Walter, I mean, everybody was just so good. Our friend Colleen made. She flew into town. She made us all these desserts shirts with our faces on it. Like, there were all these cake pops with our face. We had M M's with our faces on it, you know? I mean, it was just so much fun. My friends all made T shirts for my birthday this year, and they all wore them and they just have my big face on them. They say, Ronnie, I mean it was just such a nice time. I had such a good time. So glad it's over. I'm already for next year. You know, I've already got the oh, now what?

[Ronnie]

But I know, but that being said, I know I already feel that way. But also kind of perfect because this week we have so many shows to recap and we're actually doing two guest spots which are very exciting and I will say that they are traders related and it's like a crazy workload. But now, but in the wake of the. Of the crappies, I'm like, whatever, this is nothing. I just am so happy. I'm not memorizing lyrics. I'm not trying to like coordinate with a million people. I want to say, by the way, also, before we get into, you know, the Valley, two things that really needed to be shouted out. First of all, Kiswee, like I thank you kids we for capturing this show. That replay if you missed it because obviously we're on the west coast and started like 8 o'. Clock. That's late for a lot of people if you missed it. That replay is still available through the end of next week, I think through the 13th. So we really recommend you watching it because the video quality was amazing. I was like, oh my God, we are. This looks like tv. So it's really good, it's really great. You can capture, you can relive it, you can see sort of the details you may have missed if you were in the audience. So definitely check it out. Crappies.gizwee.com and also shout out to Patreon because Patreon hosted a full on party, a pre party on the roof of this venue and we went up there and it was so amazing. There was like first of they got it catered by something about her which was great. And I had to say I'm not, I have, I have no skin in the game. I don't need to promote something about her. But I swear to God, I had a chicken salad sandwich that night. I stole it from the party and it like, it like brought me to tears. It was so good. And we. There's a photo booth. So really thank you for Patreon to set for setting that all up and thank you to everyone, our Patreon backers who actually, you know who came and I hope you guys all had fun at that party.

[Ben]

Yeah, I mean I almost felt guilty because everything has been so great. And then I came home last Night. And I was looking through X. Twitter. I still call it Twitter. I don't care. And I was like, yeah, going between Bravo videos, which are kind of sad because, you know, Robert Cosby Jr. Died, which is just so. Just fucking terrible. We haven't really talked about it on this show because what do you say? You know, it's just so sad. So I was reading stuff about that. I was reading just random Bravo news, and some of it's really fun and funny. And then war videos. Just war. Just bombing videos. Every other video. And I'm like, what the kind of timeline are we listening? I mean, I'm going between, like, is Kenya Moore getting evicted? To, like, a bomb? And then, you know, what's Mary Cosby thinking? To another bomb? And then you have to, like, search, like, on the bomb videos. Like, grok, is this real? You know, you have to look at the comment under that says, grok, is this real? Because now people are just putting out a bunch of fake videos, so you can't even tell. It's like, Dubai's being blown up. And it's like, is Dubai being blown up? No, it's not being. Well, it was gonna be blown up, but then. And then all the war technology. I'm like, I didn't even know they had all this. It looks like watching a video game. The world has gone fucking crazy. There was a mass shooting here in Austin while I was away this weekend at some bar my niece goes to all the. I mean, it's just, like, nuts. And then I'm like, we had such a great time, too. It's, like, so much good and so much shit at the same time. So I don't know what to tell you.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, welcome.

[Ben]

You know, the world is going to. But just for a little while, let's pretend it's not and talk.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, Exactly. Welcome to 2020. 26 has been a nightmare. But, like, at the same time, it's like, that's why I'm actually so grateful for, like, honestly, bravo. But also our community, like, to be able to just to convene and for, like, two hours, two and a half hours.

[Ben]

Two hours, 40 minutes, 10 hours, 10 hours, 45 hours.

[Ronnie]

For that moment, it's literally still going. We can push out the pain of everything that is happening out there. Like, it's not like, I would not say that one should live their lives by sticking their head in the sand like an ostrich. Like, you. You can't do that in life, but you're allowed to do it for, like, a little bit every day, I think you're allowed to have a moment where you tune out the stuff that's so depressing and just find a little bit of peace and joy and find your fellow people. And I really am grateful for that. And so, you know, really, thanks for everyone for. For showing up, either in person or virtually.

[Ben]

Yeah. I mean, don't stick your head in the sand. Stick it in the glitter. Am I right? All right, let's get on it. So Today is Monday, March 2nd. We are doing. We are starting with what we skipped last week, which is the Valley Persian Style season finale, episode nine, Handle with Skincare is what it's called.

[Ronnie]

Oh, that's good. That's good. I like that.

[Ben]

I know. Yeah. I. My title is much more clumsy. It's like. What is it?

[Ronnie]

I don't know what your title is.

[Ben]

My title is something like Something in the sky with Wyman's. I mean, it's terrible, but. So they only made it to nine episodes, which I guess they just didn't have enough content. And then the content they did have is, like, still yelling at Sky. You guys get over it. You guys are all monsters on the show, especially Reza and Gigi. You guys are monsters. You got another show and now you're calling someone else a monster. No, sky, you're amazing television. I hope you're on here for 20 years, and if this show doesn't last, I hope you're on 10 other shows. I love you. Yeah. And I love watching you go after these two and give no. She still gave no fucks by the end.

[Ronnie]

She gave. No. She was great. And I like Tanin as well. I actually really like her.

[Ben]

Tanin's all right, but she's definitely a sleep pillow. I think she's one of those pillows that you sleep on so your face doesn't get wrinkled. It's like one of those soft, smooth, silky pillow, like. She's very nice. She's very luxurious, but. God. Hello. Is there anybody in there? I don't even know if there's any life force in that person. She's just like, yeah. And then I got really upset because, I mean, wake up, you're on tv.

[Ronnie]

But I think that she's funny and she's snarking. I like that. And I like that as she. I feel like the relationship with. With her and sky is interesting and fascinating, and I'm intrigued to see how they're able to kind of, like, deal with it less. So, Gigi, I. I honestly, like, someone on Twitter, said that what was so Interesting about this show is that it was actually the newbies were more fascinate, fascinating than the veterans. I don't know if that's totally true. I think was MJ and Tommy. That stuff was all very interesting. I actually think Reza was fine like Reza, he just sort of was actually more of on the sideline than I would have expected for this show. I think Gigi though is like stuck in the rut of 2017 and she's just like, this worked back then. Me, I'm unstable and my love life is a mess in America. Will love it. It's like, no, it's like it's not interesting to watch this person who's totally inept at everything trying to buy a 414 million dollar house or whatever that she'll never be able to afford and trying to go into some like fly by night business. But everything else though about the show is great. So very happy with it.

[Ben]

Well, I think even the Gigi stuff was kind of fascinating on its own because it's an LA story. You know, it's like, how is this person ever going to make it? This person should be in jail or at least banned from the public in some way. House arrest at the very least. She abuses people. She's terrible. She, you know, assaults people. She makes no effort in life. She fails at everything and all she does is like ugly dudes to like get her name on businesses and it's gross. But she, she succeeds. That I think is a very LA story. I mean, it ends with her succeeding. It ends with her kind of winning her season. So it's like, well, you know, welcome to la, babe.

[Ronnie]

I guess story failing upwards. Okay, well, let's get into it. We see a recap of the whole season and now we land at Natasha and Amir's house where they are. Natasha is waxing hair out of his nose, which is as thrilling as it sounds. And then we go to Resin Adam's house.

[Ben]

Have you ever done that?

[Ronnie]

I've been intrigued. I feel like I'm not quite there yet where I need to wax. I can still just pluck. But have you.

[Ben]

I got a kit. I got it on one of our Amazon lives every other Monday at 1:30pm Pacific Time. Oh yeah, yeah, I got it. I got a kit to wax my nose and my ears, but I'm just too scared. I'm terrified. It doesn't sound good. So I was wondering if you've done it. You know, I'm Lebanese, so that's just a rite of passage. It's like I'm a 50 year old Lebanese man. It's time. But I just can't make myself do it. So then we go to Reza and Adams and Adam has kind of this thing on his head. It's like a bungee cord thing on his head and he's, I don't know, swinging himself around by the head.

[Ronnie]

What in the 1952 Jack LaLanne was this, this was like, this was like. When you see that like people in like black and white footage with like those, like those big like rubber like leather straps around their stomach going like this.

[Ben]

Those are back too, the shakers. I've seen those two people are on the thing where they. You shake your fat a lot and I guess the fat wants to leave or something. I'll try it.

[Ronnie]

I don't know, maybe it's the energy. I, I like that stuff, the, the idea of a passive, passive weight loss. But yeah, he has this like his head is like in some sort of disc and he's like twirling around, he's like, it's good for my neck or something. Like it made no sense. Oh, And then Reza just gets on one of those like tracks. What are those, what do you call those things again? Where you like, you lie on it and then it goes backwards and then your fear above your head and you

[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

I forget what those are called, but yeah.

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We go to Tanin and Greg's house and they're setting up for her party because she's launching Skin by Tanin Farm to Face organic oil.

[Ronnie]

Farm to Face. I actually think that's. Please do not. If someone says this is Farm to face, what I'm thinking is like goat. I'm like, you're putting good on my face. Like, just saying, like freshly harvested natural ingredients. But farm to face is. I just think of like manure. I think of chicken feet. I don't. To me, like, for some reason, Farm to table sounds delicious. Farm to face. I'm just thinking the worst things I'm putting in my face.

[Ben]

Yeah. Also you're all yalls faces look crazy. Just call it farm to fable because you do look kind of like a children's book character at this point, all of you.

[Ronnie]

So she's like very close to harm to face, by the way. I just want to say, yeah.

[Ben]

Harm to face. Yeah. So she's like, yeah, this party is a big deal because it's the launch of a new business. So I'm kind of terrified. And her guy Greg is like, hey, what about that whole sky situation? Is that stressing you out? She's like, yeah, because Mer said Something about how she said to her that she was not gonna come say hi to me at that party. I am so mad how she was gonna not say hi to me, but then she did say hi to me.

[Ronnie]

Well, I saw Bombshed today, and they said they're going to be at the event. It's like, well, maybe she'll come and say hi to us at our house. I don't know. I mean, it's my business launch. I want a good vibe. I want positivity. I just want people who want to be there who are coming. And at this point, like, so with what MJ told me about Sky, I really don't care if they come or not. I'm going to say this right now. I guarantee that most people actually really don't want to be there. Like, oh, wow, I get to go to a skin care launch event at my friend's house.

[Ben]

Oh, my God. You guys going to that big face oil launch party at tannings and Tanya's backyard. Can't wait to go to that.

[Ronnie]

Can't wait to go to that face oil party that smells like a farm. Can't wait.

[Ben]

Can't wait for that goat on the face party. I do love Bombshot, though. I think Bombshot is the standout of the season. He's the best.

[Ronnie]

I like saying his name. I'll be at, like, the supermarket and I'll be like, bombshot. I gotta say his name in my head. I just like saying it has a nice name to it. Bombshell.

[Ben]

Bombshell. So Greg gets another gift for tanning. Greg is basically cheating. Can we just call it like it is? I mean, how many gifts is he gonna bring this season? That man is cheating on you. So it's a shadow box. She's got a product in it, and she's like, wow, Greg has really been an angel supporting me. He's made so much effort towards communication and romance too. And he's like, yeah, she made a profit. Passion project. I just love her. They love each other. Okay, so now MJ comes to meet Rez at a place called on the 30. And she's like, okay, so the open house.

[Ronnie]

He's like, oh, my God, the open house. Like, you did so much. I'm so proud of you. That was, like, so impressive.

[Ben]

There was so much going on. But you know what? Like, when Tommy came, like, Adam was like, tommy's here.

[Ronnie]

But then I felt like as soon

[Ben]

as I walked outside, he was ready to leave. And I don't want to say it hurt my feelings, but that's like, the closest emotion I came up. Like, I just wanted a fist bump. Reza, you were trying to sue him and get him thrown in jail. Had a restraining order against him. What do you expect?

[Ronnie]

He said you guys will talk after the season is over. You are not getting a fist bump, okay? It's not going to happen. So MJ's, like, Tommy doesn't want to put himself in a position emotionally because what if he gets hurt again? What if he gets disappointed? What if he gets humiliated? Oh, I'm sorry. So we're concerned about Tommy getting humiliated while he's sitting there farting and burping on camera for entire season?

[Ben]

Tommy is humiliating every. I'm humiliated every time Tommy comes on tv.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Yeah, but what about you?

[Ben]

What about you being a single married person at every event because you're not sparkling the way you used to sparkle. He's not there because you have a restraining order against him. Even if you got it taken away. Why are you acting like it's so crazy that her husband. You are the reason her husband's not at these events? I mean, Tommy's also the reason we have to mention that every time Tommy's at fault for what Tommy did. Okay, yeah, but for Reza to just speak. Oh, my feelings. You're a monster.

[Ronnie]

Okay, I'm starting to get a little concerned for my friend. She had her twilight open and her husband didn't even show up. I'm not really hearing her say anything positive about Tommy, and I'm worried for her now that all this is, like, sweeping under the rug. Is starting to accumulate a lot of dust. So MJ says that she's, like, fighting for this marriage. And, you know. And, you know, I know you didn't bring up divorce, but, you know, I looked at my kid. My. You know, I was the exact same age as my kid when my parents split up. And, you know, she's like, there's no way. I mean that, like, I'm going to be another statistic in my family tree

[Ben]

to the detriment of your happiness. Like, I don't know why Tommy doesn't want to hang out with me when every time I'm with you, I'm trying to tell you to divorce him. I just don't get it.

[Ronnie]

So MJ is like, you're crossing the line. She says, you know, of course I want to, like, work and improve things. And, you know, I feel like we're so far apart, but, you know, the love is there. Nobody knows what's best for me. It's Very, very easy to judge from the outside. But look, I have to respect my husband. I have to draw the line. So I feel like MJ is doing kind of like a perfunctory, like, hey, I'm on camera standing up for Tommy, so maybe this will get him to shut up and shoot with me at last.

[Ben]

Yeah. And she's like, well, I'm trying to make my marriage better, but I don't want to be judged while I'm doing it. And he's like, judged. I'm just telling you to leave him not judging your marriage. I'm just saying it's over.

[Ronnie]

Okay?

[Ben]

Do you complain when the. Do you. Do you say that the credits at the end of the Golden Girls are judging the Golden Girls? That, no, they're rolling because the show is over. Like, bury them. Okay? It's, like, done. No more cheesecake in the kitchen.

[Ronnie]

Okay? I'm very serious. So I'm going to play the little invisible piano in front of me. Okay. Fingers tapping on the table. I've had hesitation to open up to you because I don't want to get burned in trusting you. And the last thing I want to do is, is give Tommy something to hold on to, to be like, I fucking told you, you can't trust him. And so as I was like, well, I thought I was coming to a friend, and I thought we were at a place in our relationship where we trusted each other. Let me give myself some grace in navigating my relationship.

[Ben]

Fine. I'll never say one more thing about your terrible marriage.

[Ronnie]

That's over already.

[Ben]

Like, whatever. So that's the end of that one. So now we're in the car with sky and her family, and they're like, why are we going on vacation these this summer? And she's like, we're gonna go visit the Erewhon in Greece or the Erwan in Bora Bora. I'm not really sure.

[Ronnie]

Although, to be fair, Bora Bora is what I call the Valley. Oh, what a Bora Bora. So then Gigi goes to a salt cave with Reza Jax, you know, which is, you know, as you may remember from various Real Housewives, apparently this is, like, in every city. There's a. Some strip mall in the suburbs where, like, next to, like, a Joe's Pizza and, you know, some, like, Gamestop right in the middle. There's, like, a. Come sit in a back room with salt on the walls and on the floor. So they go to that, and it's. And Reza Jax is like, it's been A long couple of weeks. Lots of drama. So I thought this would be a neat place to show Goldness. I like how calm. How do I. How I calm down? Because, you know, she needs that a lot sometimes.

[Ben]

Yeah. So he lays in the sand and she's walking on his back and stuff. It's like, oh my God, did you just get hard?

[Ronnie]

He's like, no.

[Ben]

So she's like, I'm just such a man eater in my natural state of being. And he's just an appetizer for me. Me, intimately. Go Nessa. I'm dangerous. And I'm sexy too.

[Ronnie]

The danger turns into sexy if you don't control it. Or maybe it's the other way around. I'm so bad.

[Ben]

So he's like, oh my God, I'm so stressed from trying to make this friend group work. And she's like, but Skyla kept fucking with everybody at the fucking table. And my friend Tan. Tan. Yeah. You know, that's what I call her because we're like this. We're intimate. Admit we're intimately. Gigi, my friend Tantan genuinely was hurt. You don't hurt Tantan.

[Ronnie]

Sky has been saying so many bad things about me, about my friends, about the Valley. She pissed me off. She's pissing off my friends. She's pissing off Vineland Boulevard. I don't like the.

[Ben]

She says that she went under the. She went below the belt. Which I'm not really sure she went below the belt. But I guess by saying the Valley sucks.

[Ronnie]

This guy. Like, I don't like going to circus liquors. Wow. Don't say that about the Valley.

[Ben]

Don't be clownist. So she's like, I can taste the salt. He's like, yeah. And it's coming from you. Cause you're salty, by the way.

[Ronnie]

I know. And by the way, no, also, let's not overlook Gigi once again reminding us that she's a bad girl. She's like, I hope she doesn't talk about. Because we don't want Loch Nessa to come back. I just got out of juvie and I learned some things. I'm trying to be good, but I can be really bad. Watch out,

[Ben]

Darren interrupted. This comma girl, she's on a rampage.

[Ronnie]

That's right. I can put on a leather jacket and chew some gum. Scare you real good. Okay,

[Ben]

so now Tommy and MJ go to therapy and he's wearing a button up shirt and a tie and glasses.

[Ronnie]

Yes.

[Ben]

So he's really making an effort, you know, physically to show that he's not.

[Ronnie]

Well, this is how you know he's wrong, by the way. Because if he feels like he already has to like dress up for the first time you've ever seen him dress up since his wedding just to impress the therapist, then you know you're in the wrong a bit, right? So they go to the, the office of Dr. Waspy von Wasperson. I love this lady. She comes in all glammed up. She looks like she reminds me of like Deborah Rush, wonderful character actress, Deborah Rush. If you know where you know her. If you don't, well, look her up, she's great. And she comes in, she's like, hello, I'm Dr. Marshall. And so MJ's like, well, we were just talking about Tommy's anger issues, so I'm glad that we can get started. Let's not forget.

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, let's get into what's wrong with me. It's me.

[Ronnie]

It's all me. I'm like Taylor Swift. I'm the.

[Ben]

I'm the problem. It's me.

[Ronnie]

Okay, let's do it.

[Ben]

What's this gonna be? One of those therapies that you gotta punch a pillow and like, what am I gonna do? Like, pick a booger out of my nose, make into a shape and tell you what picture I see. This is a bunch of. I mean, of course we're gonna talk about me. Of course we're not gonna talk about her. It's all me. I'm wearing a button up shirt. Who the wants to talk about me? And he's going off already. And this lady, I mean, I think that they're probably in therapy in Calabasas or something. It's probably local because she looks so snotty and she looks like she's just judging Tommy from the second he walks in. And rightly so because he's acting like an idiot from the very start of it. And then he gives us his sob story, which is a legit sad story. But he's like, I got no problem with therapy. You know, my mom died at 13. No, dad, trust me, I've been going to therapy for a very long time. I don't know that that's true. I mean, the other stuff I get, but I don't. You don't come off as someone who's gone to therapy for a long time.

[Ronnie]

Did you mean, did he mean Dave and Busters? I think he, I think he had a mistake there. I've been going. I've been going to therapy for a long time. You know, I love playing the skeeball therapy. Now, he obviously has a very traumatic backstory, and it's actually very heartbreaking. And for people who did not watch as a sunset, he goes into it more there, and it's like. It's very emotional. And he's definitely a man with a. Like, he has turbulent emotions, and they're very raw. And I think that's actually what's very appealing about him, is that, you know, you. You see him grapple with this stuff, and you feel like he's trying to do the right thing, but he's also kind of just, like. Kind of, like, broken in many ways. So Dr. Marshall is like, okay, well, tell me what brings you in here today? I've got a. Another appointment about 25 minutes, so let's wrap this up. Okay.

[Ben]

Yeah. I scheduled you right before lunch. Not that I'm gonna eat it, but I do still like to stare at a sandwich in a magazine. So please, let's get through this. But one. Another red flag is Tom. He's telling us all this stuff, and he's like, you know, I've been to therapy, but a lot of the therapists that we've dealt with suck.

[Ronnie]

They suck.

[Ben]

Yeah, because they all tell you that you're yelling.

[Ronnie]

Yes.

[Ben]

You know, and Tommy's like, well, that means all the therapists suck. No, they don't. You know, it's like yelling at the. The ref. So he's like, marriage, right? That's what brings us here. And MJ's like, we've been married for seven years, and those were years that were rough. And I would express dissatisfaction in the connection. He's like, oh, wow. God. Sorry I'm not perfect. It's just so many critiques. Geez. It's like, what do you. Paul Abdul. It's like, I can't even make dinner without her saying, it's a little pitchy dog. I mean, come on.

[Ronnie]

And then we see a montage of MJ being like, can you tuck in your shirt? Can you, like, try to eat that food over your plate? Do you need a napkin for the ketchup on your stomach?

[Ben]

Like, could you please poop in the toilet?

[Ronnie]

So Dr. Marshall's like, well, you know, whenever couples fight about, you know, whatever they fight about, it's usually downstream of something deeper that propels the criticism, which, in your case, I think is mj. It's unmet needs and disappointment or longing for something more. Maybe a husband who doesn't talk like a cartoon character from the 1950s. Right. Am I hitting something here?

[Ben]

Unmet needs disappointment. What the fuck? Like, I don't do any of that. You know what I mean? What are we. What is this, a joke? What are you, Seinfeld? It's Seinfeld. Everybody unmet me. Come on.

[Ronnie]

Hold on. Just writing this down to laugh about with my other therapist friends at lunch in a second. Okay, I just. I got that. Thank you. This is how she feels, though.

[Ben]

All right, all right. Okay. That's how we feel. Okay, cool.

[Ronnie]

Okay, well, we're just gonna. We're just talking about how both of you feel, right?

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got it. I got it.

[Ronnie]

Guess what?

[Ben]

Another sucky therapist back here. Hold on, hold on. I'm writing a Yelp review right now. This therapist sucks. The therapist is trash. What the is an ugnet mean? I'm med kneed. It's a bunch of. She's like, okay, now, you know, can we.

[Ronnie]

He's. He's.

[Ben]

Oh. She's saying part of being a couple is having friends together and social events together. So you being around her friends is something that I would really work on. He's like, oh, God, that's ridiculous. You know how many parties I've been to where she's abandoned me the second that we walked in there? And especially, like, I don't like being around people who I got nothing in common with. Well, you know, I'm sorry, but we can't all be at NASCAR every day.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, Yeah. I think that also, like, if it's a work event, I think that, you know, part of bringing, like, your. Your significant other to a work event is you have them as, like, an island to go back to if things are weird or awkward. But you also know, like, their role also is they're. They're support. I think they're supposed to support you either by being next to you or just by being in the room. So that way, if you can go off and go solo and do your networking or whatever, but you always know you can go back to them and, like, Tommy, for him to be like,

[Ben]

wow, I've always been abandoned at a party.

[Ronnie]

Well, I mean, sir, like, sometimes she just has to work. I mean, I know not all parties are work parties, but I sort of get the sense that he's talking about these things with the Shah's onset.

[Ben]

Yeah, but I mean, Tommy. Who is Tommy gonna feel, you know, that he has stuff in common with.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Also, like, make friends so nobody talk to people.

[Ben]

Yeah. You have to make an effort. You don't know if you're gonna have anything in common Unless you, like, make an effort, all you have to do is really sit there and smile. Most people just want to see how you're reacting to them. They don't give a shit about you or what's going on in your life. So if you can just sit in a room and smile and say, mm, what do you do? Then you're fine. You know, that's all the 90% words. This shit is so. But he doesn't want to make the effort. And this poor doctor is like, but can you see how it's maybe the same cycle? Mj, you present a need for being in a partnership. Tommy, you think about when you're minimized or diminished or asked to not, you know, burp out Taylor Swift songs. And then mj, you know, you get upset because you're alone, but, Tommy, you get upset, and then you leave her alone. Do you understand? And he's like, oh, whatever, whatever, man. Okay, this is me, all right? We're sitting here talking like, oh, hey, Tommy, what are you gonna do to fix this, huh? What are you gonna do? Like, what am I, a pep oils guy? What, are you coming in for an oil change? This is my job, you guys.

[Ronnie]

And I love this moment where he's like, oh, it feels like I've got a. Oh, wow. Look, MJ's got everything figured out, but I've got to work on my anger. Oh, wow.

[Ben]

I'm the one that's got issues. I'm the one that's got the problem.

[Ronnie]

And she just looks at him and goes, I think you do need to work on your anger. I just love. She's like, yeah, that's exactly right.

[Ben]

He's screaming at the. He's. I mean, I know we do his voice like that all the time, but he's literally. Oh, yeah. Like, yeah, Tommy got a fucking anger issue. Yeah, that's what you're coming for. Tommy's got this. She's like, yeah, you. She's got her finger on the button under her desk, like.

[Ronnie]

But she's just also giving them that, like, waspy stare. Like, sir, you should be so lucky that you get to sit on the sofa. But when she says, you do have to work on that, I loved it, because I almost feel like, yeah, yeah. He was almost, like, looking for a. No, no, no, no, no. We. You both have to work on things. And she was like, no, you have to work on your anger. I was like, yes, yes.

[Ben]

She was giving him that look like someone's about to, like, spray her windshield wiper at a stoplight. You know, she's just like, 100. Please don't. Okay. Yeah, well, I don't have cash, so.

[Ronnie]

You realize we are not sitting in the outfield of a Mets game right now.

[Ben]

Okay?

[Ronnie]

Work on your anger.

[Ben]

Well, yeah, but you know what? I don't get angry for no reason, because there's very few compliments. There's one thing, you know, I don't get compliments. My compliments, like, oh, for sake, Tommy. You put the lid down. Congratulations. Here's your blue ribbon. So then he's like, you know, when my mom died, I moved in with my grandparents, and they would fight, and they would say terrible things to each other, and all they did was talk negative, and they. And. And I didn't like. So I left. Yeah, but you're doing the same thing. Like, do you not see what you're. Like, do you hear yourself?

[Ronnie]

Right, right. Do. I mean, it's always shocking. I mean, this is a very human thing, which is that people, like, they are scarred by their upbringings, and. And I feel like on some level, they're thinking, I never want to repeat that. While they are actively repeating it. So Tommy is saying how he lived on the street, and. And that's. She goes. And he says, that's how I feel a lot of the time that she speaks to me like that. She's like, oh, you feel criticized? Is that. Is that how you feel? It's hard to tell because you're screaming all the time. And she's like, yeah, that sounds really terrible. You had to live on the street and not even here in Calabasas. I mean, living on the street in Calabasas. Beautiful, right?

[Ben]

You had to live on the street in Queens. Oh, my God. So she's like, yeah. He's like, you know, every time. He's like, I was living on the street, and when I feel. When she speaks to me that way, I feel. And she says, criticized. And he's like, yes, that's it. And she's like, yeah, that sounds horrible, living on the street. But, you know, of course you're gonna feel unimportant and disposable, but, like, you still have to do stuff, you know? And she's talking about what it means to be triggered and getting reactivated over and over again. And he's like, yeah, I don't doubt it. And so MJ's putting her hand on his knee, and she's talking about how heartbreaking it is to hear how he grew up. Cause she knows this, you know, and she's like. And It's a shitty cycle. But at the same time, like as adults, it's our job to not do that, you know, and it's not easy. I mean, listen, I'm spending my entire adult life not becoming my mother, so I'm. I'm a red wig away, you know?

[Ronnie]

But I think that, like, I think what's so sad for Tommy if I can read between the lines and I don't really know the full story of him and his treatment, etc, but when he says every therapist I see is so sucky, you get the sense that he's trying to work on this. Even that's why he says I'm okay with therapy. He's trying to work on it. But like, the fact that every therapist is sucky makes me feel like he just can't hear some tough truths he probably needs to hear. And so he's still sort of stuck. I don't know. That's just my, my inference as a viewer watching it. It's obviously a little reckless to do that with, with people's. But also it's tv, so who cares? But I kind of get the sense that people have been trying to get through to him and he just, he can't hear it and he thinks he's, he thinks he's open, but I don't know if he really is open.

[Ben]

He's stubborn and he wants everything to be easy for him and handed to him, you know, like, it's very easy for him to just kind of marry somebody who's on TV and then just kind of live off of them, you know, which is what he's doing. And then any kind, anytime there's a problem, it's them and it's not him. And he's just going to be stubborn and he's going to yell and he's going to argue and he's going to end up alone. And that's what he fucking gets, you know, so he doesn't have to make the changes if he doesn't want to. But it's not anyone else's responsibility to put up with that shit forever, you know? So this Dr. Marshall is so funny. She goes, okay, here's going to be my final advice because I will never see you two again. You, Tommy, you need to get some trauma informed therapy, okay? It doesn't have to be forever. Just like kind of raise your consciousness level, okay?

[Ronnie]

So my specialty are women whose husbands have cheated on them. And I think this is just really against my brand. So why don't you see some trauma informed therapy thanks so much.

[Ben]

God, no kidding. She's like, you're a crash test dump, so maybe get therapy for that. So MJ's like, yeah, you know, I feel like my partner needs to step up. So here we are. So now we go to Natasha and Amir holding hands. They're driving and they are going to the graveyard.

[Ronnie]

I, I'm just gonna say, I find, I've said before, I find this storyline to be actually very fascinating. I find it to be actually very emotional. It's a little boring though, to me. I mean, I'm like, it's weird to be something, something so fascinating but also kind of boring. I mean, basically it's we're. They go to the gravestone. Like this is the big thing that they've been working towards. They go to the, the cemetery. She comes face to face with it. There's crying. I'm getting choked. I got, I'm not getting choked up right now. But I was like, oh my God. This is very emotional, but there really isn't much more to say about like, literally nothing funny happens here. It's just, just two people going to a gravestone.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

can find fantasy fan fellows wherever you get your podcasts. So then we go back to MJ and Tommy's house, and they're setting up for their podcast, and she's like, wow. So I wanted to tell you I met with Reza, and then next thing I know, he's giving me relationship advice, guys. And then he came at me like, well, you don't think your husband not coming around isn't being supportive? And, you know, and that was a line that was crossed. Okay, I know that you're supposed to tell your spouse everything, but if you're trying to get your spouse to go hang around your friends, this is not the way to do it.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

What are you doing?

[Ronnie]

I think this was, like, MJ's weird way of demonstrating that she has Tommy's back and that she's not gonna throw him to the wolves by tricking him into. Into like. Like, shooting the TV show. And then the guy. Everyone comes after him, like, she's going to have his back. I think that's what she's trying to do, but I don't see how this is helpful towards rebuilding his relationship with Reza.

[Ben]

Yeah, this is not a good move. So it's like, you know what? Last. Last time, things with me and Reza got so bad that you got infuriated, went to his home, you know, destroyed property, and then wasn't, you know, you were in court and had to go to jail and stuff. So you know what I'm going to do to fix it? This. I'm gonna tell you the. That Reza was talking about you. Like, what are you doing? What are you doing? Stop it. So then we go to Reza and Adam talking about it, and Reza's like, it made me feel so sad. Like, you can't even tell anybody they're in a deadened relationship anymore. And I just like to remind everybody again that Reza dumped Adam, went on their wedding trip with his friends, and left Adam at home, and then married Adam in a surprise wedding at a restaurant where Adam didn't get to invite his friends. So just for everyone sitting there listening to Reza talk about his personal or his perfect relationship, this fucking guy. So Adam's like, well, who knows? Maybe she was having a bad day, and she'll be able to pull you to the side and be like, I'm so sorry I snapped at you, but there was no mint at the supermarket to make Tabooli.

[Ronnie]

Did my memory serve me correctly? Did Adams Tabouli not make an appearance in the season finale of the show? He wore a shirt. Oh, you're right. It was an interpretation.

[Ben]

I actually loved Adam's shirt.

[Ronnie]

It was very cute. I have clip art.

[Ben]

I have that, like, 70s clip art or a 60s clip art as a picture in my house. I love it.

[Ronnie]

I actually am, like, happy for Adam. I feel like he's so happy in the, like, since they moved to the Valley. You know, Remember, they used to live in Atwater Village, and it was like their sad home with where the. Where the assault happened with Tommy. But now that they live in the Valley, Adam just putters around. He makes tabouli. He waters plants. He rotates around in some archaic fitness contraption. He's living his best life. I'm really happy for him. Except for the tantric yoga. We don't. We don't have to have that again. But everything else, Adam's, you know, living, like, an idealized, tame gay life.

[Ben]

Yeah. Yeah. He's living the tame gay life he was born to live. So then we go to sky and Bombshad, and she's showing him different outfits, and she's like, honestly, is there any way we can just skip this party and not go? And he's like, I don't want to skip the party. I want to go to it. I'm not. I want to support Tanin. She came out with a really good moisturizer for dogs,

[Ronnie]

but I'm not really comfortable coming. He's like, I got you. You got me? Yeah. Disgusting. You don't have me. He's like, I'm just gonna say straight out, hey, listen, I'm here to support Tanin, and we'll just have this conversation another time, another place.

[Ben]

Hashtag bombshelled, hashtag bombshot advice. She's like, yeah. You think they're gonna let you just walk away from a conversation? You know how they are. And he's like, well, they can't force you to talk. And she's like, oh, really? Have you met them before? Okay. One leaves, the other one comes back, the other one comes, the other one leaves, then the other one comes back. She's so right too. And he's like, but you let them. It's like, what is she supposed to do, stand there with a baseball bat? And she's like, but they're growing fungus from every angle, these people.

[Ronnie]

I love this. She's so mean and cold, and she's so right. Like, it cannot be Emphasized enough. The fact that they put someone on the Valley who hates the Valley is just tremendous. Said bombshell's like, don't let them. You think. You think you and Tanin are ever going to be friends again? Because we are friends, but, you know, in a very different compartment. Cheap fungus growing compartment, you know, where they grow the mushrooms when they sell them. The supermarket. That's what Tanin is.

[Ben]

Yeah. So she says that she still considers tuning a friend. And so she's gonna go support her even though she hates everybody there. And she's like, but, you know, the only way I'm coming is if you put this on. And she gives him a red light mask and he's like, get out of here. You're not gonna put this on me. See, I know how to say no. Next thing you know, he's in the mask.

[Ronnie]

It's like, oh, I know.

[Ben]

Fungus. Fungus.

[Ronnie]

Now it's time for the big skincare launch and people start to show up. Gigi shows up with Dennis. He's in like this blue and white shirt and Vita is there. I love that. Vita just sort of putters around in the background of the group scenes. They just are like, I guess we have to invite funny. She just, she's worth it.

[Ben]

I'm sorry. Every scene.

[Ronnie]

I know.

[Ben]

And yeah, Tanya's like, hi, can I get you something to drink? No, I don't drink. So can I get you something else? Champagne.

[Ronnie]

One thing I'm gonna say is that over the weekend. So we did the. The show at the Fonda Theater, the ad, which was great. Thank you to the Fonda Theater. But they had this amazing video wall. Normally when we do the crappies, we have like a screen. We do this sort of like a visual presentation. The background of the nominees and everything. And this venue had the. Had an enormous, beautiful, high res video wall and made everything look very glamorous. But what was funny was that when we put the nominees up, their faces were so big. And I'll tell you, having like a 25 foot tall Vita face right behind you, that was an image. She was nominated for mother of the year. And like that, that bright red lip was like, boom. That was the funniest thing. Just looking up behind and seeing like, like giant Vita. It was a striking visual for me.

[Ben]

So MJ gets there and she's telling Reza Jax that things are awkward with Reza. What does she do? And then, look who's here, it's me.

[Ronnie]

I don't want things to get weird.

[Ben]

Can we talk for a second? Listen, I only have about 10 minutes to talk about you, your done relationship.

[Ronnie]

Okay.

[Ben]

And then she's like, yeah, okay. So he's like, I'm not happy with the way things went down. And honestly, my intention didn't translate. And I feel like we took 20 steps back.

[Ronnie]

I felt the same way, and I just feel like we've worked way too hard, and I can't have that conversation with you about my husband. That's okay. The thought of us going back to Sam six years ago was literally, like, just unimaginable to me, because that was when I wasn't able to see baby shams. So they hug, and he's like, I love Mares very much, and I feel compassion. And if you want to keep sweeping things under the rug, that's okay. I love you. And no matter what you decide, I'm gonna be here for you, despite your terrible decisions and repressed feelings about your own failing marriage.

[Ben]

Oh, the reso support, it's just. It's like a warm hug. So Adam is wearing his Valley Girl diamonds necklace because you're my best friend, Gigi. I got you a necklace that says T for tabouli.

[Ronnie]

Then Dennis and Gigi sit down to have a very important business meeting. Okay, Dennis, we gotta figure out what's next for us. He's like, yeah, so I like the way things that go on with both businesses. Yeah, me too. What are those businesses again? Ah, it's like, well, I got great news. My boy Dan wants to give you a billboard on the Vegas strip. Let's just throw money at the Vegas strip. That'll solve everything, right?

[Ben]

Gigi, stop it. Stop it. Sales are gonna go through the roof. When you're driving to Vegas, you're gonna see intimately Gigi and think, wow, I could have that woman's head up my ass if I just gave over $20. And then don't forget about Valley girl. Wow. Dildos and diamonds. I've really made it, Dennis.

[Ronnie]

Well, the good girl. The good news about Valley Girl is that we've got the diamonds. They're great quality. Nothing shady about this operation whatsoever. And now we just got to handle the website, the marketing. Probably have to get a permit from the city, start an llc, maybe register with, get some distribution. You know, just minor little things. And by the way, I found two houses that I think would be good for you. Would be really good. They're in a gated community where I live, and that's where you're really close. Over 4, 000 square feet. So he's basically like, I Found houses for you Where? I don't know, ever. Something. This guy is so shady like that he just finds. I found houses and I don't know. I don't trust anything about this.

[Ben]

Yeah, I don't either. And he's like, you know, it was on the highest side, but I'm still gonna chip in. She's like, wow, I really want. And so, yeah, Gigi, she's got businesses handed to her and now a house. So yeah, you know, there you go. So then we go to Vita and she goes up to Reza and Reza and she goes, reza, I want you to meet somebody whose name is Reza. And then Amir is asking, so they're all like, oh, my God, is Sky coming? And Adam's like, they're on Persian Standard Time. Pst.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And they're like, oh, look at you, Adam, adopting Reza's. Do you have that card? Adam, do you have that card?

[Ben]

It's called code switching, bitches. Don't be such a white girl. That is so white girl of you.

[Ronnie]

Bitches be like, I'm late. I did it. So Greg is like, Greg is saying, you know, if sky doesn't come, it'll be really fucked up. And tendin's like, no, it's not. I mean, after what MJ said, I think I'm like, I just don't know what to say. And Natasha is like, what did you say? She's like, you're not saying hi to her. And she goes, she'll come say hi to me. And who talks like that? That's what MJ told me. I'm hoping she said it in some other better way. So it's a good old fashioned. You're not going to say hi to her fight.

[Ben]

So stupid. But you guys did say hi to each other. Tawny, come on, we need to fight about this. I'm going to fight with her because she said she wasn't going to say hi to me before. She said hi to me like, what? So this is their big fight. And then sky and Bombshot finally arrive and everyone's like, oh, my God.

[Ronnie]

Oh my God, Sky, Bombshot are here. What are we gonna do? And like, basically the OGs like Res, MJ and GG are like, oh, how are we gonna go? Like ambush Scott. We're gonna ambush sky because they're gonna, you know, this is what they do. This is what their group does. So they come in and Janine's like, hi. Like, how's it going? It's like, good, how are you? I'm good. You look fabulous. Thanks. So do you. I mean, what a. Am I right? Sky is such a saying, hi, how's it going? You look fabulous.

[Ben]

And then everyone's in the corner pointing, well, she was late.

[Ronnie]

I'm gonna tell her about it.

[Ben]

And then Natasha's like, wow, it's so nice seeing you guys talking. And this guy's like, oh, you're funny. Why wouldn't we not talk this crazy? So, you know, Sky's saying, oh, nice job. Great party. And Tony says, well, I've got to say, like, there's an elephant in the room. Is it dry? We could moisturize it with your moisturizer.

[Ronnie]

Like Luba Dom commercials. You know, they do, like, the alligator. You could do elephants. So she's like, no, I just. I feel like from our last conversation, I felt like we ended it on a good note as much as we could. And I think it was. There's a lot to get over. But when I was at MJ's party, she said, you said something like, oh, well, she. She'll come and say hi to me. This guy's like, well, she said, why did I go say hi? I said, of course I'm not gonna say hi when she's sitting with a bunch of people I don't even talk to. And then it, like, cuts to basically the rest of the cast, like, staring at them, like, look at here.

[Ben]

Look at doing the exact same thing. Standing in a line against a wall, staring at her, getting ready. Ready to take turns to go get her. And she's like, yes. You know, I said, when she comes around, I will definitely say hi. That is how the conversation was. She goes, okay, well, that's very different than what she told me. But do not take anybody's word. Come to me and ask me, and I will tell you exactly what happened. I won't see you very well because I will be squinting like this.

[Ronnie]

I will tell you what happened, which will always be something like. Like I said something while I was wishing I was at Erawan. It's this guy, and he's like, well, this is me doing it. I'm asking you now. Well, because these people, they love to sit down and twist and turn, and this is how they live their life. And I can't. I can't, you know? So then Reza, Natasha, and Gigi are, I guess, within earshot because Reza's like, Sky's saying to tanning that we like to twist things around. She also said that, Natasha, you're a bit. Gigi, you're unhinged. And that I am actually secretly straight. How could you even say that? I twist things around.

[Ben]

They twist things around. They? Who's they?

[Ronnie]

Us.

[Ben]

Well, what are we twisting? What are we twisting? I'll tell you what. I'm gonna twist her head right off of her neck. That's stupid. Are you gonna say something to her? I gonna have to say something.

[Ronnie]

Well, it's all our fault. Somebody needs to say something.

[Ben]

So Sky's like, oh, my God, look, look, these hyenas are waiting to jump. By the way. The hyenas just look around, please. They are like, say such simple things, and then they create such something completely different. Look at these stupid people over here. My goodness.

[Ronnie]

Like, it cuts to them, and they're, like, foaming at the mouth and, like, pawing at the ground, like, so tune's like, okay, well, instead of. Instead of going at. To each other, which is what I would expect from us, you know, I want us to.

[Ben]

To.

[Ronnie]

To fight for us and for. To have a conversation after and be like, that wasn't cool. And I'll be like, you. And then we can just move on. Sky's like, I agree 100 with you. And we can even have that moment outside of the Valley. Maybe we can talk about that maybe in West Hollywood. New Era 1 open this weekend.

[Ben]

My favorite part of this is me saying, can I just say this? Okay, well, that would work. Okay. You know, from the bottom of my heart, I'm not even being sarcastic. I love you. You. You know I love you. Now we cry.

[Ronnie]

Let us cry. Oh, I'm going to cry. I. I love that that sky evidently says, I love you sarcastically enough that she goes, I'm not even being sarcastic this time when I say I love you. Oh, I love you.

[Ben]

I have to do that because when I'm being sincere with people, they just look at me and I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm not kidding.

[Ronnie]

Really. I do feel like that was a big first guy to be like, just gonna say, I'm not being sarcastic. I love you. I felt like that was really sincere of her.

[Ben]

Yeah. So they call each other idiots and then hug. And so now they see a light at the end of the tunnel, so they're happy. And Tenen's like, you know, you're my little sister even though you're older. See, it's already working. So they're making jokes. And then we go to Bombshot and Amir and Natasha, and Natasha's like, oh, my God, they're hugging. And Reza's like, like, oh, really? Well, I could hear her talking about smj, and Tanin wasn't defending us. Let's get her too.

[Ronnie]

I know. He's like, oh. Like, I can't believe this group would be accused of twisting things as Reza. Like, they're just reconciling. And really, all they said, all that. What's her face said was like, no, this is what I said. I didn't want to go over there because all those people don't like me, and I don't like them. So I was gonna say. Say, how do you. After you were there, like, oh, wow. Tanin wasn't defending us. Wow. I wonder why you're being accused of twisting things around.

[Ben]

Exactly. So Tanin tells them, you know, she. Sky apologized, and she started the conversation. And then MJ goes to who? To me.

[Ronnie]

Oh.

[Ben]

So Amir's like, she didn't bring up anyone else? Well, she did bring them up, and not in a good way. You know, she said, they're going to come attack. Attack me. She did say that. Oh, really? She said, who's gonna come attack her? What, I'm gonna kill her.

[Ronnie]

She just wants to bark and talk about my friends, and I'm tired of it. So if you think you're gonna. You're good at being tough. Let me show you what tough is. I was like, wow, you're actually doing our impersonation of you. That's just sad. She doesn't. She's really. She's literally. She's literally acting like a 1985 bully in, like, Punky Brewster. Hey, kid, you want to be part of our group? You have to drink this glass of raw egg and ketchup. K. I'm like, okay, let's relax, Gigi.

[Ben]

So Tanya gives a speech and thanks everyone for coming. And then they start taking pictures and stuff. So someone asks sky to take a picture. And right behind sky is Gigi, Reza and Reza, Jax. And. And Gigi's like, can I pour something on Accident? And Reza's like, yeah, do it, do it, do it. But it'll be an accident, though. And Reza's like, no, come here. And he tries to pull her away, but she's like, what would happen if I put it on her? And he's like, please don't do it. And she does. She just throws it on her. She throws a drink all over. She acts like whoops and throws a drink all over Sky.

[Ronnie]

Even though this was. She does this because. Not from any sort of firsthand beef that she was in. It's because someone told her that some. That she was talking. I mean, there was a moment before where MJ came up to, to sky and goes, are you guys talking about us? And sky just goes, oh, off. So, like there is some like first hand hostility, but like, Gigi, it's not your fight in the sense that like, like you, you didn't interact with sky about this, so you just threw booze on her. And like, you know, if someone did that to Gigi, she would be like, oh, wow, you really started it now. A stupid thing. It was also really what we know it was was a desperate attempt to have a reality show moment to get into the trailer to do something with the season finale. She was just being a reality star in that moment and it just was kind of sad.

[Ben]

Well, they've pinned their whole season on fighting with sky and Sky's like, I'm not fighting with these idiots. Like, I'm not giving them that. And so she didn't get to have the fight. You know, she had this fight planned in her head where she was going to throw wine all over her at the end of it. And she didn't get the fight fight, so she just threw the wine anyway. You know, stupid.

[Ronnie]

That's basically exactly it. Right?

[Ben]

I wish that sky had called the police because that's assault. We've learned.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Because we've seen a lot of drinks thrown on these shows, so now we know that is assault. Okay. Yeah. And just normally I wouldn't say that on a housewife show or anything, but on this, Gigi's a monster. And she already come up on her physically before. And Gigi needs to be cut at the quick is ridiculous.

[Ronnie]

She's like. And Gigi's like an uninteresting monster. That's the problem. Like, sky is like a fun, campy, arch monster, whereas Gigi is just like, again, it seems like she's just trying to like be something that she saw out of Archie or whatever. And just as like, it just feels lame. It doesn't feel authentic.

[Ben]

Well, I mean, she's even named Loch Nessa and that's the most boring monster of all time. Like, what does that monster even do? It just like kind of sweet whims and people see it occasionally.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it like never even attacks anyone. It's like not even scary. It's like afraid of us.

[Ben]

It's just like, hey, guys, I know you haven't seen me for a couple hundred years. I am still here. I'm selling anal dildos now with my face on it. Okay.

[Ronnie]

Oh my God, look At that monster. Oh, no. Oh, no. They see me. Okay, I gotta go away now. I gotta go. It's basically Adam. Adam is the Loch Ness monster. Oh, Gigi. I was just trying to take a photo of you for the National Enquirer.

[Ben]

So she's in, she's furious, and she's like, get this idiot out of my set right now. Get out of here. Get out of here, Gigi. And Adam's just sitting there. You know, Adam's a little too. That's not why I'm not happy.

[Ronnie]

Never mind. I take it.

[Ben]

Stupid gardening and his. You know, Stupid gardening and his happy life and his head machine. He's a little too. Yeah, like, smirking, like, it's so funny. And Gigi's like, what? There's no problem over here. No, I'm being serious. You get out or I'm calling the police. And I'm being serious. Get her out. And Adam's like, you mess with my best friend Gigi, you don't mess with Persian chicks. And my right girlfriend. One person, chick to another.

[Ronnie]

And meanwhile, Bombshell, who's like, I will have your back no matter what. He's like, just off in a corner, just, like, laughing with the guys. And they're like, like, what happened as B? They're like, bombshot has no clue. He has no idea. Bomb's like, so Sky's inside, and she's like, screaming. She's like, this girl is psycho. Psycho. And they are like. Then, you know, they're just. They're just trying to calm her down. And Gigi's like, her. Her. So Greg goes up to Bombshot, and he's like, hey, do you know what's going on with your wife? He's like, no, what's happened? Is she having a lovely time too date? Like, she just went crazy. Which, by the way, she didn't just go crazy. Gigi threw a drink at her.

[Ben]

Yeah, I like how they. They all repeat these stories. So Bombshad goes in, and she's like, she threw a drink at me from the back. And he's like, oh, she's an animal. An animal. And then to Gigi and Adam, Adam's like, I think she left. I don't see her. They're laughing. And in front, Tanine is like, guys, I can't have my day end like this. What are. What are people going to think of tanning moisturizer there?

[Ronnie]

And Sky's like, babe, I'm sorry. I was not doing anything. And she's. I know you weren't. You know, I will never put on a show, okay? And if I do, it's not going to be in the Valley. It'll be in, like, you know, Century City, right? And so's like, obviously I think I'm more medical, Nessa, because Sky didn't do anything to trigger this. And I don't really know what to do. I just. I'm just trying to bring some peace to the situation. And if not peace, at least some oil to put on your animals.

[Ben]

Yeah. Antonio's like, come on, Bombshot. And he's like, no, I'm not gonna leave my wife. And she's like, you tell her to leave. Sky's like, you tell her to leave right now. So Reza's like, oh, my God.

[Ronnie]

What happened? What happened?

[Ben]

So excited. And Gigi. So Tanin asked Gigi what happened, and she's like, well, I was standing like this, and then, you know, she got too close to my proximity because she wanted to take pictures. And I said, you know what? I should. Should I throw my drink? And then Adam said, you should, Persian girlfriend. And I said, okay.

[Ronnie]

Whoops.

[Ben]

And then, whoops, the drink went all over her. I regret nothing. I did it.

[Ronnie]

Tanine's like, adam. He goes, I never said that. What? I did it, okay? Put me back in jail. Put me in lockup. Take me away from General Pop, okay? Cause I'm dangerous. Don't make sure I don't get a shiv in my hand, because I'm gonna cut a bitch. Be careful of GG I don't know

[Ben]

what happened after the wine flew. I mean, what gravity does is up to John Mayer and the Earth. Okay?

[Ronnie]

Yeah. God, I'm such a bad girl that when I'm threatening someone, I invoke John Mayer.

[Ben]

Rock and roll, bitches. So Greg's like, can we just not do that? She's like, well, I'm not touching anybody. Look at me. Not touching anybody. And they make her promise. She goes, okay, I promise. So now sky is talking to Tanin, and Tani is like, oh, I told her she cannot ever throw wine again. Oh, wow. Great way to stand up for your friend.

[Ronnie]

No? Sure. Gigi. Gigi is known for being. For being a rule follower. So I'm really glad that Tanian added that rule to their group dynamic.

[Ben]

How do you just go up and be like, please don't throw wine on anyone else. Get her the out of here. What an.

[Ronnie]

So Amir has to talk to Gigi. Like, Gigi's one of his kids. He's like, if you were her, what would you do. She's. Oh, you can't say that because I would never ever have been that pretentious if I were her, okay?

[Ben]

Oh, really, lady who's insisting on a five bedroom house with, with no job? You?

[Ronnie]

Yes.

[Ben]

Crazy person. So then Resa Jax gives a speech about, about celebrating tanning. And then sky tells us, look at this group. There's going to be a lot of people who don't like me or who hate my guts, but guess what? I don't care.

[Ronnie]

I did hear that the Hailey Bieber smoothie at Erawan has been discontinued. And I'm wondering if sky is, is okay. So Reza Jack says, in Persian culture, dancing is a sure way to get everybody to forget about their, their grudges and bring them together to be present. Life has ups and downs. So it. So they start dancing and everything. And now it's another.

[Ben]

Which other cultures danced. So we go to. Yeah, the next day and Greg comes to Tani's room and he misses her and she's like, well, you could sometimes sleep here. And then we go to Adam and Reza's and they're getting a couple's massage. I mean, these two are just doing shit that I never want to see them do on this show. It's like, how many things can you guys do that I just don't need to see on my tv? Then we go to Natasha and Amir's. They're playing with the kids and still talking about, should we have another kid?

[Ronnie]

Reza Jax is playing with his dog. He goes, I'm open to a long term relationship. Doesn't mean that I've locked up my thingy, you know, you think I'm celibate. Are you crazy? And he does that thing where he like lowers his chin but looks at you from the top of his eyeballs like, okay. And then cooking class, sky and Bombshell are in cooking class. And Sky's like, you know, it's not just about me and him, it's about our kids and we're very dedicated. He's like, yes. And of course there are challenges and of course there's ups and downs. And you know, by the way, how many times can they say that there are ups and downs in this episode? I just realized we've said that phrase like 15 times over the course of the past hour.

[Ben]

So, like, it's ending. Guys talk about ups and downs. Yeah. So I'm teaching my children how to cook and also how to call a bartender when they are supposed to.

[Ronnie]

Now at Gigi's house, they're Moving into her new house. Adult life is hard, and it's always gonna be hard. And I'm okay with it because I've done hard time. Well, we're grown now.

[Ben]

I don't know, we may not be

[Ronnie]

popping butter lives, but we're still popping up.

[Ben]

And MJ's like, yeah, the more we live, the more we go on different paths, but I forgot what I was saying.

[Ronnie]

And then. And then at MJ and Tommy's house, the whole family's there with Vita. It's like a sitcom ending.

[Ben]

They're like, oh, wow, look at this. Everything worked out real well. And there's a caterpillar.

[Ronnie]

Wow, look at that caterpillar. The caterpillar's like, sir, you have anger issues.

[Ben]

Why you shut the up, you caterpillar. And then we see a text on the screen that says, October 17th, Mercedes files for divorce. A month later, she moved out. Tommy moved into a new place less than a mile away. The therapist has closed the shop, changed her name, and moved to a different town.

[Ronnie]

Can I say I actually, this is a case where I'm like, we're not gonna pick up the cameras. I mean, MJ and Tommy have been like, that's a. A long standing Bravo relationship. I would have liked a.

[Ben]

They couldn't even make it to 10 episodes. They're not going to pick up cameras for an extra episode. You mean to tack on to the end of this one or something?

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I'm like, it just felt like they just. Just at. They're like, oh, and by the way, they're divorced. Like, wait, what?

[Ben]

Maybe that trend is finally over. The picking the cameras back up for the most obvious. They probably just turn of event.

[Ronnie]

They just don't have the budget for it. I'm sure that. I think that's what that means. But, yeah, it was a. It was a really good season. I felt like. I felt like it was. I wish it was on at, like a different time of the year. You know, we had a big Bravo drought over the summer, and I think this would have been a perfect thing to have on over the summer just because I felt like there's a lot of stuff happening in this first quarter on Bravo and just like, I think, honestly, again, Traders sucked up so much space. So I would like Bravo to bring this show back and just put on a different time of the year when we can kind of. Of give it the love it deserves.

[Ben]

Yeah. Get on it. Bravo. All right, everybody. Thanks so much for being here. We will talk to you next time. Bye.

[Ronnie]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

Shop now at from rebel.com howdy, howdy ho, and welcome to Fantasy Fan Fellas. I'm Hayden, producer of the Fantasy Fangirls podcast and your resident lover of all things Sanderson.

[Ronnie]

And I'm Stephen, your bookish Internet goofball, but you can call me the Smash Daddy.

[Ben]

And we are currently deep diving Brandon Sanderson's fantasy epic, Mistborn. But here's the catch. Steven here has not read Mistborn before. That's right. Hey.

[Ronnie]

Hey. So each week you'll get my unfiltered

[Ben]

raw reactions to every single chapter. And along the way, we'll do character deep dives, magic explainers, and Steven will even try to guess what's next. Next. Spoiler alert. He'll be wrong.

[Ronnie]

Newsflash. I'm never wrong. Episodes come out every Wednesday, and you

[Ben]

can find fantasy fan fellows wherever you get your podcasts.