#3239 RHOP S10E20 Reunion 3 Part Two: Sharin’ in Karen

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #3239

RHOP S10E20 Reunion 3 Part Two: Sharin’ in Karen

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: March 2, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the dramatic second half of the RHOP Season 10 reunion, Part 3. Ben and Ronnie bring their signature wit as they break down the major storylines: unseen footage, Karen vs. Wendy’s explosive “witch” exchange, the fallout of Wendy’s legal troubles, reflections from the cast, Giselle’s lack of a “package,” and cast and host takes on what makes a great housewife. The hosts revel in calling out hypocrisy, play up the show's absurdities, and give thoughtful commentary on both Bravo culture and RHOP’s evolving cast dynamics.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Unseen Footage and the Karen vs. Wendy Showdown

[02:30–07:13]

• Witch Accusation Drama:

  • Ronnie/Ben recap unseen footage where Karen tells Wendy: “When your back was against the wall and people were attacking your mother, calling her a witch, I had your back. My question to you is: why weren’t you unwavering in support of me?”
  • Wendy insists, “You called my mother a witch!” Ronnie and Ben point out Karen was referencing others' words, not her own.
    • Quote: “She did not call your mother a witch. Just stop it. She said, ‘when people called your mother a witch, I stood up for you.’ It’s not the same thing, and you know it.” – Ronnie, [03:01]
  • The hosts mock how quickly the “witch” word was weaponized, and highlight the cultural nuances that make this a touchy subject for Wendy.
  • Ben: “They’re acting like it’s the C word. But I guess that is…that’s the cultural difference there.” [04:13]

• Karen’s Iconic Lip:

  • Ben jokes about Karen’s new filler: “Let me be very clear…but she now has to say it while literally having a lip hanging down to her chin, a top lip. And she literally cannot be clear.” [05:19]

• Wendy’s Mother on TV:

  • Ronnie criticizes RHOP for involving Wendy’s mom: “You can’t bring her on here…then act so offended when anybody just repeats what she says.” [05:30]
  • Ben gives context: “Wendy’s mom was being a terror that day…Her mom was being mean.” [05:52]
  • Ronnie argues Wendy baited her mom for sympathy: “You purposely poked at her; I think Wendy did that to herself.” [07:13]

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2. The Dr. Wendy Legal Segment

[07:46–11:43]

• Wendy’s Arrest and Cast Reaction:

  • The hosts play through a montage of Wendy’s recent troubles: the Happy Eddie brand’s growth, the house remodel, the burglary, arrest.
  • Giselle’s commentary: “When the feds come for you, they’ve got that case wrapped up tight. Girl, you’ve got the degrees. That was not a smart crime.” [09:08]
  • Candid discussion around race/cultural stigma, as Tia (cast member) notes: “Nigerians are stigmatized as scammers.” [09:08]
  • Ben and Ronnie highlight how many cast members act both as victims (e.g., Angel, Karen) and as unsupportive friends during this time.

• Who Knew What, When?

  • The hosts question if Wendy knowingly “Teresa Giudiced” her finances on camera to create plausible deniability: “You did all know this stuff was coming, which is why you went on camera and tried to make it look like ‘I have no idea about finances. Eddie does literally everything…’” [11:05]
  • Ben notes: “You'd only be disappointed if you believe the person’s guilty…Giselle's basically saying, yeah, she did it.” [11:20]

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3. Wendy’s Side of the Story: The Burglary, the Arrest, and the Legal Narrative

[14:06–18:44]

• Wendy’s Breakdown of Events:

  • Wendy recounts the burglary: they returned from vacation, daughter noticed a mess, realized it wasn’t the dogs, called police, believed it was a break-in.
  • A year later, police say “your house wasn’t robbed,” linking to larger accusations:
    • Ben: “Wendy is so convincing…I was like, oh my God, this is an innocent lady. But there's so much evidence. It's so bad. But she's very convincing to me.” [15:08]
  • Ronnie doesn’t think Wendy knew she’d be arrested, but says she was being investigated all along.

• Karen’s Re-Framing of Her Shade:

  • Karen tries to re-cast her “shut up” comment as motherly advice: “My shade didn’t really land right, let me just recontextualize it so that way you actually see…I said it from a place of concern.” – Ben/Stephen [16:14]
  • Andy (host): “I don’t want you to go to jail…and I’m begging you to stop interviewing.” [16:48]
  • Wendy: “What I divulge right now is already public record…I’m not an idiot. I know what I can say on TV.” [17:31]

• Family Dynamics and Humor:

  • Wendy: “My family’s rallied around me…they’ve already sold half my closet and I’m not even gone yet.” [18:18]
  • Hosts mock the ever-present “find a silver lining” in Housewives reunions.

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4. Probing Wendy on the Motivations for the Alleged Crime

[18:44–21:33]

• Motives, Credit Cards & Aliases:

  • Andy floats reality TV motives: “Maybe you wanna blame it on your mom. Or maybe you and Eddie were renovating your home. Or maybe you were just dressing up to look fly on the show…” [19:00]
  • Accusations: 67 credit cards, multiple aliases; Wendy claims the aliases were only for package deliveries, not for financial fraud. [20:01–20:31]
  • Ben offers some sympathy: “It is good to have some privacy if you’re famous…maybe there’s a fear of right-wing crazies.” [20:50]
  • Ronnie: “67 credit cards…still doesn’t make sense though.”

• Finances & Public Perception:

  • Andy: “Prosecutors claim you have very little money and are in substantial debt…By the way, it says that about 97% of housewives.” [21:23]
  • Wendy deflects: “I respect the legal system. If that’s so opinion, that’s so opinion.” [21:33]

• Marriage Impact:

  • Wendy: “You hit rock bottom…It tests your marriage, but when you both hit rock bottom at the same time, you’re in a double state on legal seafood time.” [21:57]

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5. Reunion Reflections, Giselle’s “Package,” and the Housewives’ Value

[27:32–36:04]

Giselle's Missing “Package”

• No personal highlights montage for Giselle sparks discussion on her contribution to the show.
  • Ronnie: “Do something, Giselle…you need to start doing more because we’re highlighting it. We’re calling you out now in front of the audience.” [28:01]
  • Ben: “I actually don’t always need my housewives to have a fully fleshed-out storyline if they are contributing to the overall group…If someone is helping move it forward…I’m okay with that, to be honest.” [32:02]

Cast Reflections

• Angel (newbie): “I’ve learned that being Zen and calm doesn’t mean you need to skip over things that bother you…Can’t wait for this group to really get to know me.” [29:17]
• Giselle: “Sometimes I can be naive…and not think about the damage it can cause to somebody else.” [29:34]
• Kiana: “This reminds me we do more things in common than not…I want to remind myself to put myself in someone else’s shoes.” [30:01]
• Ashley: Wants to lean more into her sisterly side. [30:23]
• Giselle (riffing on the lack of a package): “Thank you for not giving me a package. I feel like a customer on the estimated arrival day for FedEx. No package.” [31:13]

What Makes a Great Housewife?

• Ben and Ronnie discuss housewives needing to be open/honest but also entertaining.
• Topic veers to Lisa Rinna (Beverly Hills): “Rinna lost authenticity trying to be cool and in with Erica/Kyle/Dorit. Don’t blame us when you get off track. The pact with Bravo fans is, you entertain us by being you.” [38:00-38:48]

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6. Final Thoughts, Sincere Moments, and Housewife Wisdom

[36:17–43:23]

• Encouragement & Sincerity:
  • Andy to Wendy: “It just stands out to me that you’re such a great housewife…exemplary role model, led with your education, love of family, culture, faith.” [23:24]
  • Karen: “We are phenomenal Black women who are not alcoholics. My prayers are with you…If you get real with yourself, you'll be a better version of yourself.” [24:26]
• Wendy gets emotional, shares gratitude:
  • “Even though I’m not out of the storm, I’m already a better woman for being in the storm.” [26:04]

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7. Nostalgia & Housewives History

[41:16–42:56]

• Ben and Ronnie reflect on the series’ trajectory:
  • “Congrats, Potomac, on finding your footing…glad to have the show back.” [41:25]
  • “I feel like it’s 100% back…That was the year when things suddenly went terribly wrong. Now, it’s back.” [41:44]
• Discussion of prior seasons’ highs and lows—Mia’s effect, Wendy’s first season, and cast shakeups.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Karen’s Filler:
  “She now has to say [‘let me be clear’] while literally having a lip hanging down to her chin…I would love it if you could be very clear right now.” – Ben [05:19]

• On Housewives Authenticity Pact:
  “The Bravo fandom loves our Bravolebrities…The moment you’re producing and doing stuff that's not authentic…the pact is broken. Viewers sniff it out—we’re sophisticated.” – Ben [38:00]

• On “Missing Packages”:
  “Thank you for not giving me a package. I feel like a customer on the estimated arrival day for FedEx ground. No package.” – Giselle [31:13]

• Advice from Karen:
  “We are phenomenal Black women who are not alcoholics…There is another side. It won’t break you. If you get real with yourself, you’ll be a better version of yourself.” [24:26]

• On Potomac’s Return to Form:
  “I feel like the show is really—I love it. The last amazing season was when Mia came on…” – Ronnie [41:44]

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Important Timestamps

• Unseen Footage / Karen-Wendy Witch Drama: [02:30–07:13]
• Dr. Wendy Legal Segment & Package: [07:46–11:43]
• Wendy’s Legal Defense and Interrogation: [14:06–18:44], [18:44–21:33]
• Giselle’s Package Gaffe & Cast Reflections: [27:32–36:04]
• Bravo Housewife Philosophy & Rinna/Tone Discussion: [32:02–38:48]
• Reunion Wrap-Up, Sincere Sendoffs: [36:17–43:23]
• Potomac History & Season Reflection: [41:16–42:56]

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Conclusion

A sharply funny, insightful recap of a dramatic RHOP reunion—Ben and Ronnie dissect every nuance, shade, and meta-moment with humor and Bravo expertise. They tackle the big storylines (Karen/Wendy, Wendy’s legal woes), give meta-commentary on Housewives archetypes and the “pact” with viewers, and end with hope that Potomac is “back.” The episode is a goldmine for Bravo superfans or newcomers looking for a smart, hilarious breakdown of the latest Housewives reunion fireworks.

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[Stephen]

was against the wall and people were attacking your mother, calling her a witch, I had your back. And my question to you is, why weren't you wavering, unwavering in support of me and Wendy's?

[Podcast Host 1]

Like, when people are Dragging about the DUI thing. I have held you down till today. So for you to specifically bring up my mother thing and then use the W words towards my mom, I would expect what you. What you did from the other ladies, but I wouldn't have expected that from you.

[Podcast Host 2]

So here we go. Wendy. And now Wendy has decided to double down and twist that even more. And she says, well, you went first.

[Andy]

Betwaid me.

[Podcast Host 2]

You called my mother a witch. No, she did not call your mother a witch. Just stop it. She said, when people called your mother a witch, I stood up for you. It's not the same thing, and you know it.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, I. That's. Yeah. That feels like she was like she saw a way in and was like, ooh. She called my mother a witch. I can run with this.

[Podcast Host 2]

But look how instantly alive this show becomes with Karen back on it. I mean, instantly, like, all of. All of Wendy's is, like, immediately exposed. I felt like with Karen being here, Wendy's called out and she's like. Because everybody else is like, oh, my God, Wendy.

[Andy]

Wendy, you're so amazing. Congratulations on your nomination to prison.

[Stephen]

Well, you betrayed me.

[Podcast Host 1]

You call my mother a witch.

[Stephen]

A witch.

[Andy]

Well, that's.

[Stephen]

I mean, Cynthia Revo's a witch. What's an honor.

[Giselle]

It's a great honor.

[Stephen]

What are you talking about? For you to sit here and act

[Giselle]

like I took some pride in using that word.

[Andy]

Disgusting. Me?

[Stephen]

You think I took pride in saying the word witch?

[Podcast Host 1]

I'm like, you guys, it's the word witch. I understand that there's cultural. Cultural elements that are, you know, that are different for Wendy and her mother, but it's also like. It's just hilarious because they're. They're acting like it's the C word. But I guess that is.

[Podcast Host 2]

That.

[Podcast Host 1]

That is the cultural difference there. So. I guess.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. But that fight was an echo fight and me up thing that wasn't, you know, I mean, most.

[Podcast Host 1]

She started. Let's never forget.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. Which actually started. So I'm pleased. So Karen's like.

[Andy]

Well, I'm saying very. Let me. I want to make a very, very clear online.

[Podcast Host 2]

I'm sorry.

[Andy]

I didn't understand that. I do want to say this, though, Andy, very clearly. No disrespect.

[Stephen]

Are you any three musketeers bar Karen?

[Andy]

I've had it injected into my lip, actually.

[Podcast Host 1]

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[Andy]

It's a slow release. Slow release. Now, listen, no disrespect to your mother. I know your mother. I particularly love. When she told you to shut the

[Podcast Host 2]

up this season and I started cracking up. And then everyone else was like, I can't believe it. Wendy was traumatized by her mother telling

[Podcast Host 1]

her to shut the up.

[Andy]

How dare you.

[Podcast Host 1]

It was a sensitive scene.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

Karen thought she was like, ah, this

[Stephen]

is a good read.

[Podcast Host 1]

And everyone, like, was, like, offended by it. By the way, it is also hilarious that, like, Karen's. Karen's like, most famous thing that she says consistently is.

[Stephen]

Let me be very clear.

[Podcast Host 1]

But she now has to say it while literally having a lip hanging down to her chin, a top lip. And she literally cannot be clear. It's like, I actually would love it if you could be very clear right now.

[Podcast Host 2]

Good luck with that. So they're all, you guys cannot keep bringing Wendy's mother on TV and letting her spread whatever messiness she's going to spread and then act like such victims when anybody talks about what her mother says on the tv, Then stop bringing her on here. But you guys can't bring her on here, then act so offended when anybody just repeats what she says. Come on.

[Podcast Host 1]

I. I actually am going to be a little sympathetic towards the situation. And the reason why is Wendy's mom was being a terror that day. And Wendy's mom was being so mean. And Wendy's mom was, like, really verbally berating her. I know we, like, talked about it and there's like, you know, it's. It's a. It's not a black and white situation. But ultimately it was still her mother being like, oh, Wendy shot the up. And it was. It was mean. Her mom was being mean to her. And so for c. Karen by her. I know Karen was just trying to be like, clever and funny to be

[Stephen]

like, oh, shut the up, Wendy.

[Podcast Host 1]

But basically what she was saying is like, doubling down like, yes, your mom should have told you to shut the up. I think that's how it landed, which is why everyone was like, I still

[Podcast Host 2]

left it because Wendy brought her mother on TV that day to stump for her father who ditched the family and completely abandoned the mother. So I say, you know, she had been pushing her mother over and over again on that, and the mom was finally like, shut the up. You're not going to get me on here and make me look like a bad guy for not being totally pro. Your dad. When your dad is an abandoner low life, like, I'm not going to do it. And you, you know now, did she go a little far? Yes, but that's your mother and you knew what you were doing when you brought her on tv. And purposely poked at her. So I think Wendy did that to herself. I say I think she was trying to pull a Bronwyn and get some pity from having a mom who treats her like that. But you poked her.

[Stephen]

Well, Andy is like, well, okay, well, that was a very rough scene for her, much like prison will probably be. But are you both feeling betrayed? I think therapist Andy says you're both feeling betrayed by the other for different reasons. Yes.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yes.

[Stephen]

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[Andy]

Well, I guess we're not gonna solve this one today, so let's move forward for the last five years. All right, let's have a Dr. Wendy clip.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay. It's. It's the Dr. Wendy segment. Let's just do Dr. Wendy. Okay, so we see clips of them being happy and then starting Happy Eddie, and Happy Eddie is expanding. And then the house remodel, and then the mom blowing up on her, and then the arrest. And we come back, and Giselle and Ashley and Karen are just chatting. They're like, oh, my God. Just so over the storyline.

[Stephen]

Angel, what did you mean when you said you hope justice is served?

[Podcast Host 1]

Well, I want justice to get to know me. And once they do get to know me, they'll see I'm a very bubbly, effervescent person. But I also hope that Wendy gets her day in court, because for me, it shocked me because of all the indictments of me from throughout the season. And I had become a whipping boy of sorts because she was going through something privately that she wasn't sharing with the group and using me as a red. Her caring. So everyone in America, it's nice to see that the real victim is his angel.

[Andy]

Real victim.

[Podcast Host 2]

And Wendy's arrest Angel.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yes.

[Podcast Host 2]

So Ashley's like, well, that's a reach.

[Andy]

Wendy, what are your initial reactions to

[Podcast Host 2]

hearing what some of the ladies had

[Andy]

to say in that package?

[Podcast Host 2]

Because in the package that we see there, you know, they're talking about all the counts. And Giselle's like, oh, when the feds come for you, they've got that case wrapped up tight. Girl, you've got the degrees. That was not a smart crime.

[Andy]

And Tia saying, well, Nigerians are stigma. Are stigmatized as being scammers. We get a bad rep enough as it is. This wasn't fair to us.

[Podcast Host 2]

So Wendy's like, well, listen, going on the past three or four months, have been hell. So when you hit rock bottom, people's opinions of you don't pierce you anymore.

[Andy]

Oh, I know. As someone who has hit rock bottom many, many times as a non alcoholic. I'm with you, Wendy.

[Stephen]

All right, Giselle, K. And Ashley, you don't come across exactly very concerned in that clip we just saw. Do you stand by everything you said? And Karen's like, yeah, I said, well,

[Giselle]

everything I said in that clip. And I was actually genuinely shocked when I heard about it because, like, when I think about Wendy, it's like, a nice dynamic this season. I felt like this was, like, something that Wendy already knew that she was going through. And like, a lot of relationships ever,

[Podcast Host 1]

she basically does the same thing that angel does, which is like, oh, the reason why Wendy was so mean to me this season is because she was going through it, and so now it makes sense. So, yeah, I definitely get it. Because she was. Because I had to be the. The person. She took it all out on that because she was stressed because she was committing a crime.

[Podcast Host 2]

No, Karen, you came in going after Wendy all season for not saying hi to you as she was giving a speech on a stage. Okay. And angel jumped in. So I don't know what you two are trying to make up now, but it's not that deep. So Giselle's like, well, I do not feel like this was something that Wendy knew. Why? Because we worked hard to get to a good place, and of course, my heart goes to your children. But I cannot remember whether or not you had the break in before or after the conversation. But you said Eddie paid all the bills and all that. So we see a clip of Wendy saying, oh, wow, guys in 2024 saying, I don't know how to pay my mortgage. I have no idea. Like, I don't even know when it's due. I don't know how my light company is paid. Like, I don't know. How do I do it?

[Podcast Host 1]

I think.

[Podcast Host 2]

And I was gonna say, I think

[Podcast Host 1]

this was, like, Giselle's way to be. Like, remember you had this conversation. You. This is your way to sort of like, Teresa Judaize it. Okay. Just.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yes.

[Podcast Host 1]

Play dumb.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. You know, but it kind of goes to Kieran's point. Like, you did all know this stuff was coming, which is why you went on camera and tried to make it look like I have no idea about finances. Eddie does literally every single thing financially.

[Podcast Host 1]

And of course I like Wendy. And so when this happened, I was like, I don't want to say I was duped. I want to say I was extremely disappointed. And you'd only be disappointed if you believe the person's guilty. And I'm not gonna say that Wendy is guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty. I will just say I'm disappointed that she doesn't seem more innocent. What she Giselle's basically saying like, yeah, she did it right. Like you're not disappointed if someone's innocent.

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[Stephen]

your reactions, what you're hearing? If you would like, you could put on your baby voice.

[Andy]

Well, just a point of clarity, my home was broken into in 2024 and it was right before we started filming.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, she really does do that baby thing, like hardcore. So she tells the story that we've all read. If you've read about this. She. They went on vacation. The daughter comes downstairs when they get back and says, zoe, mess.

[Andy]

And so we thought dog.

[Podcast Host 2]

And she's like, you know, but we

[Andy]

took our dogs to the doggy hotel. How could they make a mess? And then Eddie went to see and

[Podcast Host 2]

came downstairs and said, baby, something happened. And we called 911 and we reported a burglary. And there's a reason I'm saying this as it relates to case statement, because that was in 2024. And fast forward to October 9, 2025. We get a knock at the door and they're like, hey, I'm the cop who, you know, came to check on your. Your burglary and, oh, my God, have you found the burglars? And he said, your house wasn't robbed.

[Podcast Host 1]

And like. And then she's like, I have to say, I mean, Wendy is so convincing. I was like, oh, my God, she's. This is an innocent lady. And I was like, oh, yeah. But there's like files and false. There's like so much evidence. It's so bad. But she's very convincing to me. I mean, of course, I also believe

[Podcast Host 2]

that she didn't know. I believe that she didn't know that they were going to arrest her because that's kind of what they're talking about, right? Like, did Wendy know that they were going to arrest her? And that's why she was acting like she was setting up a case and acting like trying to get everybody against the other girls because she was trying to deflect from her own case. I don't think that she knew that a case was happening. I think that they were investigating her and that she thought she got away with it until they came together.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. So Andy's like, well, Karen, you just went to jail. What do you think?

[Stephen]

She's like, well, first of all, I

[Podcast Host 1]

wish your children the absolute best.

[Stephen]

My heart goes out to them also, you know, whatever you're going through, I was hoping it would be dismissed because I need, I need you to go home to your children. And remember how before I just told you to shut the up. And everyone gasped. Busy. My shade didn't really land right. Let me just recontextualize it so that way you actually see that I'm, I said it from a place of concern.

[Podcast Host 1]

I was like, okay, Karen. Because she's like, I, I took it

[Stephen]

out of context because what I wanted to say was I wouldn't say anything

[Podcast Host 1]

if I were you. I was like, no, Karen. You were mad at her and you wanted her to shut up. And now you're acting like, no, you were giving her motherly advice. Your shade bombed on stage trying to fix it.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Andy]

She's like, well, I didn't want you

[Podcast Host 2]

to do what you just did because I wouldn't have answered anything on the stage today. You're talking too much.

[Andy]

Wendy. I'm begging you, I'm begging you. I'm pleading with you.

[Podcast Host 2]

Stop talking.

[Andy]

Do not talk.

[Podcast Host 2]

I don't want you to go to jail.

[Andy]

And I'm begging you to stop interviewing. I'm begging you because I don't believe it's helping you. Now, take it from the Karen you used to like. How about that? Remember her? Gorgeous. Amazing. Because when you talk the way they watch. Okay. And they hear you, and so I would have said, respectfully, Andy, I can answer those questions. And I worry about you. And I worry. I worry about you talking and posing. Posing for pictures. Always in the pictures.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay, well, before, Before I came out on stage here.

[Andy]

No, no, let me finish. I want you to know I wish you and Eddie the absolute best porridge in the mornings in prison.

[Podcast Host 1]

I, I, I received that. And prior to coming here, my legal counsel was informed that I would be here.

[Andy]

Go.

[Podcast Host 1]

Thank you. And they are very aware of the line of questioning. And what I divulge right now is already public record.

[Andy]

So I'm just praying that everything you're saying is the truth, because they can twist it, they can turn it, and it won't be in your favor. And you've got to think about the kids. That's all I'm saying. I wouldn't even be here. I wouldn't even be here.

[Podcast Host 1]

Well, I, it was public record. And I know that you were out of the public eye in jail for a few months there. So, Karen, I will see what you're saying. And I'm just saying it's public record. And even. It was even in the police report. And so I know what you're saying, but, like, you know, I know when to put the kibosh on it. Okay? I'm. I'm not an idiot. I know. I know what I can say on tv. Thank you.

[Podcast Host 2]

And Karen's like, listen to your lawyers.

[Andy]

I just want you to listen to your. You didn't take the plea deal.

[Podcast Host 2]

What are you talking about? Karen coming out like she's an expert on things is absolutely hilarious. So Wendy's like, well, there's a silver lining in any situation. You know, my family's wallied around me. My mom and my sister were the first people there. They've already sold half of my closet, and I'm not even gone yet. You know, and the way that Eddie's family is rallied, you know, we've come together in a way that we were not together before, so that's. It's been great.

[Stephen]

Oh, well, that's fun. You know, there's a few narratives that anyone who watched the show could latch onto, theoretically. I'm not saying that's what I'm saying. I'm just saying someone might think this.

[Podcast Host 1]

One of which is that you were

[Stephen]

taking care of your mom financially, which

[Podcast Host 1]

is why you put yourself in a situation to commit a crime.

[Stephen]

So maybe you want to blame it on your mom. Or one of which is that you and Eddie were renovating your home so you could blame it on the home. Or maybe you were just dressing up somewhere from the show or putting an image together just to be fly on the show. Or maybe. I mean, there's so many ways this could go. It just seems like you guys really had a lot of motivations to commit a big crime.

[Podcast Host 1]

So.

[Stephen]

So how do you respond to that?

[Podcast Host 2]

I like when Andy is on the the Black Housewives shows. Like, he's on the reunions, and he's

[Andy]

like, wow, were you doing it just to look fly?

[Podcast Host 2]

Come on.

[Stephen]

These allegations are whack.

[Andy]

Do you ever just want to tell law enforcement to step off the curb?

[Stephen]

You know what? If you get off of these allegations, I'll be the first one to say. You go,

[Andy]

well, it was reported.

[Podcast Host 2]

She's like, I don't respond. People can have the narrative that's on them.

[Stephen]

Well, it was reported.

[Andy]

You've got 67 credit cards, Wendy.

[Stephen]

Whoa. Multiple aliases.

[Andy]

Pam Oliver, Eddie Hennessy. She's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Podcast Host 2]

Well, my legal counsel responded to that in court. So they corrected that. Well, that just means that they said something in court. It doesn't mean it wasn't true. And she's like, well, those aliases were Only used for packages and deliveries. And there are no aliases which were used for any financial institution. And that narrative was correct. Is she worried that, like, Amazon is going to be like, oh, my God, it's Wendy Ozo?

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, apparently. I mean, you know, it's, it's, it is good to have some privacy if you're, if you're famous and, you know, I mean, actually, I will say, you know, she does a lot of talking head stuff on msnbc. Very liberal. So maybe there's like some fear of like a. Maybe someone who's like, like a right wing crazy, you know, like, I think

[Podcast Host 2]

anyone 57 credit cards and multiple aliases.

[Podcast Host 1]

No, I'm just saying that's why. I can imagine why she might have an alias for privacy. That's why, like, you know, if I think anyone who's talking in the news could like, open themselves up for maybe something crazy from someone on the other end of their political spectrum. I'm just giving Wendy a little bit of benefit of the doubt on this one. But yes, 67 credit card. Still doesn't make sense, though. Alias. I can come up with 67 credit cards. I don't know.

[Andy]

Well, it was also reported that prosecutors claim you have very little money and are in a substantial debt. By the way, it says that about 97% of housewives.

[Podcast Host 2]

She's like, well, I respect the legal system and if that's so opinion, then that's so opinion. Oh, okay.

[Stephen]

All right.

[Andy]

Well, Sif from list says, how has all of this impacted your marriage?

[Podcast Host 2]

And she's like, well, absolutely. You know, you hit walk bottom.

[Andy]

I'm with you, girl. I've been there.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yes. And you know, it tests your marriage, but when you both hit walk bottom at the same time, you're in a

[Andy]

double state on legal seafood time. Am I right, girl?

[Podcast Host 2]

So, yeah, it's hard.

[Stephen]

It's like two oyster crackers at the bottom of the chowder bowl.

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[Andy]

Well, as a parent, by the way,

[Podcast Host 2]

I haven't reminded anybody today I'm a dad.

[Andy]

I'm a dad, so I get it. You know, it's got to be really hard. And like, your first thought has to be, who would look after your kids? Is John Mayer free?

[Podcast Host 1]

I mean, I think it's gotta be Ivy, right? Isn't that her sister Ivy?

[Podcast Host 2]

It's Ivy.

[Podcast Host 1]

Right. But it's like, like I feel like it's like, you know, Ivy's gonna be like, well, here I am again. I've gotta be the one to take on all these children. Thanks. A lot, Wendy.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

So Wendy's like, I pray that we don't get there.

[Stephen]

All right, well, listen, Giselle said it on tape, and I think all of us who care about you were worried because the case they're presenting doesn't look good. Like, what would you say to us or to me about that? Tell us about the case.

[Podcast Host 1]

Well, I would say Ashley never looks good.

[Podcast Host 2]

And you still have who on the show. Case dismissed.

[Podcast Host 1]

Let's just see how it plays out. You know, I'm like, okay, well, thanks, Wendy. Of course we're gonna see how it plays out. We've been to court, and some of what has been presented has been corrected. And I'm not here to please the media as far as objecting to every headline that's written about me. So we're just gonna play it out in the. In the. In the legal system.

[Andy]

Like, well, you know, it just stands out to me that you're such a great housewife. I mean, you've been an exemplary role model. You've lived with your. You've led with your education. You've led with your love of family, your culture, your faith.

[Podcast Host 2]

She's like, yeah.

[Andy]

And I think that's why, for me. And a lot of viewers were like, whoa, this is hilarious. Wendy was arrested for fraud.

[Stephen]

Would you like to cry now? I just want to remind everyone, Happy and Ness have never looked better. Your hair looks great. You're so smart. You're so wonderful. Are you crying yet? Please cry. Should I tell everyone about how he hugged at Bravocon? Come on, let those tears roll. Let's have a moment.

[Podcast Host 2]

So she talks about how she loves Andy, and he hugged her at Bravocon. And he hugged every part of me. I didn't. It's like you didn't want to let go. So thank you, Andy.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. Okay, so they have a great hug.

[Podcast Host 2]

You hug and every part of me. Every part. So, Karen, what do you think? What's your advice?

[Andy]

I'm like, well, first of all, we are phenomenal black women who are not alcoholics.

[Podcast Host 2]

She's like, amen, sister.

[Andy]

And my prayers are with you and your family adversity. I always faced a knife, and I know you'll rise. Hey, that's my line, man. I pray you'll never know what it's like to have your liberties taken away from you, as they were. Me. There is another side. It won't break you. And if you get real with yourself, you'll be a better version of yourself.

[Podcast Host 2]

Thank you.

[Podcast Host 1]

Absolutely.

[Andy]

This has been Karen, the book of Karen. Thank you very much.

[Giselle]

Here comes one right now.

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[Stephen]

Any final words for the reunion?

[Giselle]

No.

[Stephen]

Probably for the next few years.

[Podcast Host 1]

Oh, well, I'm not on the other side of it yet. But when you're in that valley, you see a side of yourself that you've never seen before. And it builds humility and it builds strength. And even though I'm not out of the storm, I'm already a better woman for being in the storm. And I'm forever grateful for that. I love being in storms.

[Andy]

All right.

[Stephen]

Okay. Well, Karen and Monique.

[Podcast Host 2]

Storms, I've learned, always have a waing coat cause storms. Those storms.

[Podcast Host 1]

It's a very nice little thing that said nothing. She's really good about speaking a lot and saying nothing. Which is that from Karen?

[Podcast Host 2]

Yep. Politician speak. She's been in politics for a long time. So Andy's like, okay, Karen and Monique, I mentioned.

[Andy]

Sorry, what?

[Podcast Host 2]

Nothing.

[Stephen]

I was just gonna say it's been 10 years.

[Andy]

Yeah, it's been a milestone. You guys have been instrumental in the success of this series and I want to acknowledge that before we let you go to prison. So thank you both and it's great to see both of you, especially in the place that you're in at your life. What a beautiful thing. Thank you.

[Podcast Host 2]

Monique's like, I'm not going to prison.

[Andy]

Well, you know. Well, time's a ticking.

[Podcast Host 2]

We'll see. Seems to be going around.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay, so then people get their break and Karen and Giselle hug and Eddie comes up and kisses Wendy on the

[Stephen]

and he's like, hey, buddy.

[Podcast Host 1]

And you know, everyone gets up to

[Podcast Host 2]

hug Karen except for Wendy. Wendy stays seated.

[Podcast Host 1]

And I love this moment when they come back from breaking break and Kieran is the train on. Her dress is like Taking up all the space. And angel goes, kieran, my feet need some room from your dress. And kind of, like, lifts up, like, one little flap and like, moves it over, like, an inch and then just, like, puts it back down. Like, does not, like, do anything for Angel. Angels, like, okay, angel should have just kicked that over.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's so rude.

[Podcast Host 1]

Step on it. Step on it.

[Podcast Host 2]

So they're like, where's Giselle's packages? And she goes, yeah, where's me? Yeah, what do they. What do you want them to put in? Giselle, you didn't do anything all season except with other people. What do you want them? Where you're just dancing around your house by yourself and laying on your bed and saying, wow, my children are gone?

[Andy]

Nah.

[Podcast Host 1]

I think that the fact that they kept that commentary in because I don't know if necessarily we would have noticed it. Some people may have noticed it. Giselle had a moment, by the way she did it. Definitely had a moment on the show of, like, an episode or two ago where they talked about the will, her dad, her daughters, everything like that. But it was funny that they didn't have a clip package for her. And the fact that they kept that in there, I feel like, was a sign that they were a message they were giving to Giselle to say, you need to like you. You're. Yes, you are a legend on the show, and you're very funny, and you're shady and you stir the pot, but you need to start, like, doing more because we're highlighting it. We're calling you out now in front of the audience. So she's like, hey, so where's my package?

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, do something. Giselle, especially when she says, you know, at the end there, she's talking, oh, yeah, no, well, we'll get to it. But, yeah, yeah. So now it's like, what did you learn this season?

[Andy]

Okay, let's start with the newbies. Angel.

[Podcast Host 2]

She's like, well, I've learned that being Zen and calm doesn't mean that you need to skip over things that bother you. And, you know, I just can't wait for this group of ladies to really get to know me, because I really feel like when they get to know me, they're really going to like me.

[Podcast Host 1]

I know.

[Andy]

All right.

[Stephen]

And my biggest takeaway is that I can be quite naive in some situations

[Giselle]

and say things and not really think about the damage it can cause to somebody else.

[Stephen]

And when those people are damaged, namely my children, I just laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh.

[Andy]

I've also learned that Sometimes it's good to just go knock on the door and say, I used to live in this home. Because people will generally take you in and sometimes give you a cookie.

[Stephen]

Kiana.

[Giselle]

Well, this particular day reminds me that we do more things in common than not. I just want to remind myself to put someone else and put myself in someone else's shoes.

[Andy]

Shoes.

[Giselle]

The shoes of someone who really loves picture frames and loves kissing out at a highway from her balcony.

[Andy]

Wait a minute. I'm in my own shoes.

[Podcast Host 2]

Ashley.

[Andy]

Well, I'll piggyback. Kay. I've always looked at this group. It's a sisterhood. You know, you guys have really been there for me, and I think that maybe I've started to not be a sisterly. So maybe I'll lean more into my sisterly side with this group of late.

[Podcast Host 2]

Oh, okay. Okay, Giselle. Well, since I just realized I you all didn't care me a package, I'll just give you a little synopsis about what's going on in my life. My children are great. One of them is a manager at Arizona's now, and one became a member of my sorority.

[Andy]

So the legacy continues. Alpha Alpha Alpha Kappa Kappa Kappa incorporated.

[Podcast Host 2]

Alpha Delta Delta. So get into it now. I've been dating a lot.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yes.

[Podcast Host 2]

Sorry, I. What?

[Podcast Host 1]

I thought you reached a period. I apologize.

[Podcast Host 2]

No, that all works.

[Podcast Host 1]

Go for it.

[Podcast Host 2]

That works.

[Podcast Host 1]

Sorry. I've been dating a lot. But moving forward, I'm looking forward to more quality. So I'm looking forward to quality in 2026. I'm looking to new business endeavors which I will share with the world as they come. And yes, thank you for not giving me a package. I really appreciate that. I feel like a customer on the estimated arrival day for FedEx ground. No package. No.

[Podcast Host 2]

Those girl Scout cookies are not coming, Ronnie. Okay, Giselle, so if you' dating a lot, then put it on the show and you might have a package. But dating and just not telling anybody anything and just coming on and just trying to ruin everybody else for. For a sport is not enough. Give something. Although Giselle was accused for years and years of hiring men to be her boyfriend on the show. And I think she's just like, fine, I won't hire anybody else, then save myself some money.

[Podcast Host 1]

I actually have a controversial. Very controversial. This will be a real issue in the midterm elections. A controversial take, which is that I actually don't always need my housewives to have like, a fully fleshed out storyline if they are contributing to the overall storyline of the group. And I know that, like, with a friend of their role is to contribute, but we don't care about their personal lives. But, like, you know, this actually, you know, Rin has been in the news a lot lately, and so I think of Rinna. I think of, like, when Rinna was. Was on Beverly Hills initially, and people complained that all Rinna did was stir up with other people. But, like, her personal life was, like, not that interesting and who cares? Like, where's your personal story? I really am of the mindset. Like, I. I like the. I'm most interested in the group dynamics of these shows. And if someone is helping move that forward and is playing an essential role with that, but we don't see that much of their life. I'm actually really okay with that, to be honest.

[Podcast Host 2]

You know, I. I vary. It depends on who we're talking about. I don't need to see Giselle's life life. Like, I'm not somebody, like, who's really requesting more scenes about Giselle. But, you know, I think it's the fact that Giselle purposely comes on and just with people for no. Like, she doesn't even have anything real. Like, I don't even believe half the she comes on with you to. The stuff she comes on with to use against other people is even real half the time. Like this Stacy stuff. Like, she's trying way too hard to catch Stacy in some crazy. TJ paid you to do something. You know, it's always some nonsense. And I think that she's trying really hard to. To turn the focus on everybody else instead of having anything going on in her own life. And so I think that's why it bothers me with Giselle. And then to complain like that you don't have a package. It's just silly. You don't do anything to get a package. You know, I do.

[Podcast Host 1]

I do think Giselle is very guarded. I think. I guess for me, the reason why Giselle gets away with it is I find her to be very funny. And, like, if she was funny.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, it's like, you know.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. Like, with Erika Jane, I often am like, I'm like, you don't give us anything. Which. This past episode on Beverly Hills, she was actually extremely emotionally raw about what's going on in her life. But in terms of, like, we never really see who her real friends are, yada, yada, yada. I've complained for years. And it's funny because I'm sitting here saying, like, oh, I don't necessarily need to see your life, but I. I think that, like, if you offer something like you stir the pot or you're funny or you stir the pot. Actually, I think if you have to stir the pot and be funny, which I felt like Rinna was, I feel like Giselle is. I'm more forgiving. I do agree. Giselle does not give herself over very much. And it is funny. And then she's, like, shocked that she doesn't get a package where someone like Erica Jane is like, part of this camp of, like, you need to be open and honest. Be honest, be honest, and yet doesn't show any of her life. That's where I get more frustrated.

[Podcast Host 2]

But I would say, I mean, it's where we're talking about how it varies for different people. Right. Because, like, Erica. Erica's stuff with Tom was crazy. Like, seeing her life with Tom and all the glam and all the, you know, when she would tour around and do the concerts or whatever, those were so weird. And the gay bars that Tom would pay to feature her or whatever, those were weird. And then there was time, you know, then she went through all of the scandal stuff, so they showed that her crying a lot. So she. She has had a lot of personal story years. I think that Erica, you know, know, is actually best as she is now, which is not really having that much of a storyline and just commenting on everybody else's stuff. I think she's found kind of her new groove in that way where she's just there being like, Liz, all stupid. You know, she doesn't really like his new groove. Yeah, Erica got her groove back in a way. I think this is like, a good groove for her, actually. So I think some people it works for and some people it doesn't, you know? Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

But either way, it was. No matter how I feel about Giselle, it was hilarious that she didn't get a package and then she was really upset about it. And then when she tries to sort of wedge in her package, it shows why she didn't get a package, because it's like, okay, so her daughter joined Alpha, you know, AKA which is great. I have some great friends who are in it.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's not your story, though, you know?

[Podcast Host 1]

I know. It's like, exactly. It's like, okay, her children are great, great, great. That's her children. Okay. Like, what else? I mean, did you. Did you see any movies recently? Have you cooked cookies? Give us something. Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

Rinna has the best PR people of all time, by the way. She is in. She's. L. Literally, like five stories a day are popping up about her because she was on. I mean, she is really working that. It's crazy. And her book came out, so she's doing publicity for that too. And that book, I don't know if you guys have read pieces of it. It is taking zero responsibility. I mean, it is so delusional. I mean, the font really speaks to her mind. It's just like crazy font. It's like Looney Tunes font. You know, it's cuckoo. And she takes no responsibility and is still completely delusional about how everything went down there. And she blames the fans for everything, everything. She's like, I don't have any problem with the housewives. My problem was with the fans. They're what ruined it for me. And they, they're trying to make me out to be some villain. And I was never a villain. It was all the fans who did it in that nasty toxic fandom, which we can be as a fandom, I'll say that. Right? But come on, you did that to yourself, girl. Now come on.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, she did. Is. You know what it was? I think we all responded to Rinna sort of losing an authenticity about herself on the show. Like we know know there's like a Rinna that we know and love. We saw it was back full force on the Traitors. I was like, we love that Rinna. It was the Rinna that we had for many years. But we saw Rinna who then got caught up in like the Kyle and Dorit and Erica thing and she just tried to, she was honestly, I really feel like Rinna started to just try to be cool and try to be in with them and, and her just, her vibe just changed and she just. Don't blame us.

[Podcast Host 2]

It's when she, yeah, she got with Erica, they teamed up and they just started trying to do the take people down thing and like doing vlogs and the, you know, find everybody's gossip and coming out with, you know, that's when it started going downhill. Don't blame us.

[Andy]

Geez.

[Podcast Host 1]

We respond to things, we understand things. And ultimately I think the Bravo fandom loves our Bravo liberties. And when I think when we, we get angry, when we feel like on some level you have betrayed the pact that we have with you, which is that you're going to be you and we're going to be entertained by you. And the moment you're producing and the moment you're sort of like doing stuff that's like really not authentic to the show or to yourself, you're kind of breaking the pact that we have, and we get upset, and we pick and we sniff it out. We're sophisticated. Viewers of reality TV are sophisticated, and it gets. The genre gets accused of being, like, lowest of the low, lowest common denominator. It's not. And we are sophisticated viewers, and we understand things, and we understand what we watch and we know, and you can't bamboozle us. So.

[Stephen]

So well said.

[Andy]

Well said. All right, Stacy, what about Giselle's.

[Podcast Host 1]

Giselle's package became about Lisa Rinna. That just shows.

[Podcast Host 2]

That shows how much you brought this season Giselle. But I love Stacy's like, well, I

[Andy]

want to continue to be me and not change. And I want to say exactly the way that I am. And also, I want to be more

[Podcast Host 2]

direct so that there aren't any misunderstandings with. In this group. And that's something I'd like to work on moving forward.

[Andy]

But ultimately, I'd like to stay amazing.

[Stephen]

All right, Wendy.

[Podcast Host 1]

Well, I think in this new chapter of my life, I want to leave with kindness, because whether we say it or not, we're all going through something. And the women were actually very kind to me.

[Stephen]

Oh, you thought that'd be tough on you?

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, I thought that'd be tougher. And, you know, people reached out. Monique has actually been a real champion for me and my children. Told you. She basically says, everyone's been nice, and she even. She goes. And that includes you, old bunion feet Ashley.

[Andy]

Oh, yeah. Well, I do love you, too, and I hope you know I want the best for you, Wendy. You know, I was petty, and I can acknowledge that. But that's not where my heart is. This is where my heart is. Strumming my pain with your finger. Okay, okay, okay, that's enough.

[Podcast Host 1]

I mean, she's the one who should be locked up. Up.

[Stephen]

All right, well, that's noise pollution.

[Podcast Host 2]

We don't do anything about that in this country.

[Stephen]

To celebrate 10 years.

[Sarah or Tanya]

Wow.

[Stephen]

Should we really be making fun of Wendy's prison term?

[Podcast Host 1]

No.

[Stephen]

Karen from backstage. We're gonna celebrate 10 years of Potomac Champagne, everyone.

[Podcast Host 2]

Oh, my gosh, it's really coming. And so they bring them all, like, a tiny bit of champagne game. It's like, come on, guys. What's our budget today? Are we all sharing one? One bottle? The hell?

[Stephen]

And Andy goes, thank you for 10 brilliant seasons. Let's take a selfie, which I will heavily filter. Angel, remember catfish.

[Podcast Host 1]

Catfish.

[Stephen]

Catfish.

[Podcast Host 1]

You know what Angel's like, Wendy, stop saying that.

[Andy]

I'd like Luann to come bring out a snack for Angel. It is a catfish Fish suckering.

[Podcast Host 2]

The end of her hand.

[Andy]

Season of crappy lake.

[Podcast Host 1]

So that.

[Podcast Host 2]

So that was another season of pomic. You know, it was a good season. It was definitely. I don't think it was the best, but it was very good, and it was a lot better than the past couple of years have been. So congrats, Potomac, on finding your footing, because, God, I was worried there for a while. I was really glad to have the show back.

[Podcast Host 1]

I feel like it's 100% bad back in its. You know, like, that's pre. For lack of a better word, pre. Neca season. I don't like blaming. It's not Neca's fault. I'm just like, that's the way I can.

[Podcast Host 2]

That was the year.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. That was the year when things suddenly went terribly wrong. So I feel like the show is really. It's. It's. I love it.

[Podcast Host 2]

The last amazing season, I think, was because there were. There were like, five right. In a row that were just. Yeah. Amazing. Well, two through whatever it was. When. What was their last amazing season? When Mia came on and it was the.

[Andy]

Oh, really hot box and yo, George, Hampton University.

[Podcast Host 2]

That was the last excellent one, right?

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. I can't remember which is. Which is my favorite one, because there were a lot there. I agree.

[Podcast Host 2]

For me, I think that was the last, like, excellent one. And then it fell into crazy. Like, it fell off so bad. I felt so bad. Bad for the show. And then the Michael came back this year for sure.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, there was the Michael Darby, you know, hands, like, handsy season. There was Wendy's first season, which was really good. But, like, it's hard to. I would have to, like, sit back

[Podcast Host 2]

and look the best. I don't know. The best. I'm just saying this is the best since that one. That was the last best one, if that makes any sense, I think. How many seasons did Mia have on this show? Did she do two or three? Three.

[Podcast Host 1]

I think she had four. Maybe three or four.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay, then Mia. I think that a couple of the seasons were really good. I could be wrong.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. I think the first, like, two seasons with Mirror were good, but I. I don't know. Like, I do think that Mia was not ultimately a good thing for the show because I thought she was really entertaining and really great at first, but I think ultimately the show has been. Is. She's gone, and the show suddenly got so much better. So do it as you wish. But with that being said. Love it.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. Love it. Great season. Great season. Thank you to everybody who is with us this season. Hopefully we'll see you on another soon.

[Andy]

We'll miss you.

[Podcast Host 2]

All right, everybody, thanks so much for being here. We'll talk to you next time. Bye. Bye.

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