#3244: Summer House S10E5 Part Two: Rein There Done That

Summary

WATCH WHAT CRAPPENS #3244: Summer House S10E5 Part Two: Rein There Done That Release Date: March 4, 2026
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

In this irreverent and hilarious recap, Ben and Ronnie dig into “Summer House” Season 10, Episode 5 (Part 2), dissecting every awkward flirtation, tragic leftover, and bro-code misstep in the Hamptons house—and the fallout back in New York. The hosts celebrate and roast the cast's romantic blunders, their questionable approach to cleaning, and Carl’s bold venture into the world of zero-proof bars, all in their signature snarky style.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS & INSIGHTS

1. Dara, KJ, and Ben’s Flirty Triangle (01:09–06:47)

• The hosts revel in the awkward yet entertaining attempts at flirting between Dara, KJ, and Ben. Dara’s preference for solo activities ("I like to read. And I go to the movie alone. Can't stand other fucking people right next to me eating their popcorn." – Dara, 01:36) sets the tone.
• They dive into indie cinema nostalgia, sharing memories of film forums and the tragic takeover of independent theaters in LA by chains, which gets playfully derailed by the “Fish” movie title confusion (02:09–04:22).
• Bailey laments missing her romantic shot with Ben, defeated by Dara’s master-level “lash beaming” (06:12).

Notable Quote:

"She's just in her own little modern Jane Austen storyline… she’s just, like, pining after people in the corner."
—Sarah, 06:26

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2. Cleaning Chaos: The Backyard Debacle (06:57–09:11)

• Hosts unleash a classic “old men complaining about things” segment as they gasp in horror at how cast members dispose of leftover booze by pouring it on the lawn.
• Disgust reaches a peak with the infamous turkey leg, now carried off by local wildlife:

"Who's the person just threw a turkey leg down on the ground? Like, you're a monster."
—Sarah, 09:04

3. Carl’s Car Drama & Summer House Exits (09:28–10:21)

• With everyone leaving for the week, Carl quietly reveals to KJ his continuing financial (and emotional) stake in Lindsay’s Kia.
• The hosts poke fun at the pettiness of “owning half a car,” comparing it to being a taxpayer annoyed about public schools.

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4. City Catch-Ups: Relationships and Baby-Proofing (10:21–13:11)

• The post-Hamptons scenes switch gears: Kyle and West hit a golf simulator; Lindsay’s home, obsessively baby-proofing—

"I was like, no, genius babies do not stick their fingers in… out."
—Tanya, 10:43

• Gentle ribbing ensues over “genius babies” and their supposed tendency to defeat outlet covers.

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5. KJ & Dara’s First Official Date: Jealousy Games (13:11–17:19)

• At 82 Stanton, KJ lands a “double-fisted” first date with Dara (Guinness + spritz!). KJ’s awkward brand of courtship involves immediately expressing jealousy over Ben (14:10–15:34).
• Dara, ever self-assured, is charmed rather than put off—against the hosts’ expectations.

Memorable Moment:

"I'm just like a baby male model. I'm like an OshKosh male model who does skateboard tricks. It's different."
—KJ, 15:59

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6. Carl’s “Soft Bar” Entrepreneurial Saga (17:51–24:13)

• Carl shows Ben his new non-alcoholic bar venture, “Soft Bar,” with hosts satirizing the pitch and mixing in reviews from Yelp (including one scathing mayonnaise quip, 19:30).
• Host analysis turns to the awkwardness between Kyle and Carl over startup investments:

"The message is actually pretty clear… he doesn't believe in what you're doing. Unlike you, who said that you felt the power of what he was building."
—Sarah, 22:57

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7. Hamptons Return: KJ’s Kissing Confessions (25:40–28:22)

• The boys’ car ride brims with oversharing as KJ recounts his date-night exploits: from Film Forum dreams to seeing Tyler the Creator, and from dinner to a “morning after.”
• Ben shrugs off losing Dara ("Mate, I'm all for it. I'm. Listen, I'm not going to say we didn't have a vibe…" – Ben, 27:34), while the hosts relish the understated drama.

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8. Sierra, Jesse, Wes, and the Great Bro-Code Breakdown (29:32–41:53)

Plant Pranks & Group Arrivals (29:32–31:51)

• Bailey and Levi's “houseplant” practical joke offers some low-stakes laughs—except for poor Sierra, who “wipes out” running inside in the rain (31:19).

The Sierra-Jesse-Wes Love Triangle Explodes (32:17–41:53)

• Jesse’s stilted apology to Sierra for discussing her with Wes triggers a classic Crappens deconstruction:

"He's just saying words that, like, have no meaning behind them. Yeah."
—Sarah & Tanya, 33:03

• The hosts break down the male “order of operations” and how both men mishandle the situation, ultimately agreeing Wes is worse for weaponizing the bro code via group whispers and pushing Lindsay into the drama (35:21–38:09).
• Sierra makes her case for feeling objectified, seeking real connection over being made into a “bro joke”:

"I just want to be seen in this friendship. That's the only thing I'm… the main thing I'm fighting for…"
—Sierra, 41:53

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MEMORABLE QUOTES & MOMENTS

• Dara on solo movie-going: "If you're trying to ask me to the movies, you see the problem in that, right? That would be two of us at a movie and I don't do that."
    —Dara, 01:52

• Tanya, on LA movie theater changes: "Get the CVS sign off and put the movie signs back up." (03:15)

• Sarah, on Ben’s investment: "I invested $15,000 in 2019 in Loverboy, and I didn't have a lot of money back… I really felt like there was something there." (22:57)

• Bailey, on losing out to Dara: "He’s gone. He’s locked in… I even brought him the Sweet Green salad, and I can't give it to him. It’s too late." (06:01)

• Hosts, on group handling of Sierra:
    Sarah: "It is icky, the sense that the guys are treating her like... she has no say in it. That's a bad feeling." (34:24)
    Tanya: "Jesse can be a douchebag… but let's not undersell what a douchebag Wes is too." (35:21)

• Sierra, on what she’s looking for:
    "I want to be in a relationship, and I want to have a friendship with the person I'm with, and I want to eventually be married and have kids one day." (40:10)

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TIMESTAMPS FOR IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

• Flirting and Indie Movie Nostalgia: 01:09–04:39
• Bailey’s “Modern Jane Austen” subplot: 06:12–06:35
• Backyard Booze Disaster: 06:57–08:57
• Carl's Car Complaint: 09:28–10:21
• City catch-ups and Lindsay’s Babyproofing: 10:21–10:56
• KJ & Dara's Date and Jealousy: 13:11–17:19
• Carl's Soft Bar Tour & Kyle Investment Drama: 17:51–24:13
• Car Ride Confessions (KJ on Dara): 25:40–27:34
• Ben’s Reaction to Dara News: 27:34–28:22
• Plant Pranks & Rain: 29:32–31:19
• Jesse/Sierra/Wes Drama Deconstruction: 32:17–41:53

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SUMMING UP

This episode embodies everything Watch What Crappens fans love: biting wit, deep-dive Bravo analysis, and no-holds-barred takes on romantic entanglements and housemate etiquette. The hosts never miss a chance to roast the cast—while also surfacing genuine insight into both the show’s drama and real-life friendship dynamics.

If you missed the episode, this summary will catch you up on all the flirts, fights, and Who-poured-beer-on-the-lawns—and arm you with just enough snark to join the conversation.

Transcript

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[Sarah]

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[Tanya]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one, guys, it's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one. Okay, it's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show. So now it's later. It's 8:48pm and Carl is sitting with Dara and KJ on the couch. And KJ's like, what do you do for fun, Dara? Like, what's your hobby? Am I flirting? She's like, I read. I like to read. Whoa. It's like a really good hobby, actually. She goes, yeah. And I go to the movie alone a lot. Can't stand other fucking people right next to me eating their popcorn. Why don't we have popcorn? It's so loud. Stupid America.

[Sarah]

Oh, yeah. I watch movies myself. That's like my favorite thing to do, watching movies myself. So if you're trying to ask me to the movies, you see the problem in that, right? That would be two of us at a movie and I don't do that.

[Tanya]

We should go on a film forum that. Yeah, well, you're gonna have to sit five rows behind me.

[Sarah]

What are they gonna see at the Film Forum? That's my favorite part. The two people from Summerhouse are gonna go, the Film Forum.

[Tanya]

What is the Film Forum? What is that?

[Sarah]

It's like an art house. Like it's indie. Down the Village Movie theater. I went there and I remember going there in high school because in high school I had like this whole like, like I'm artsy phase. And I would go, I would take the train down to the city and go see movies at the Angelica Film center. And I'd see some. I would go, yeah, you know, and I remember, I remember seeing like Foxy Brown at the Film Forum. Because I was, like, very much into, like, wow, exploitation. What an interesting genre.

[Tanya]

Foxy Brown. Is film form the same as Angelica?

[Sarah]

No, but they're, like, right near each other, and they're that same thing. You just see really, like, documentaries or a foreign film or something, and you're, like, sophisticated. I mean, you actually are. I'm, like, making it sound like it's pretentious, like it's legitimately sophisticated. And like, I. We don't have that in Los Angeles. Like, there's literally nowhere to see independent films in Los Angeles.

[Tanya]

It's like, isn't that crazy?

[Sarah]

Yeah. I think there's, like, maybe one place, even though.

[Tanya]

Even the movie theater on Sunset and Crescent, that. That one used to have some of them, but now they have. Now it's a big CVS sign. Even though there's still a movie theater in there. I hate the CVS sign up there. It makes me crazy every time I see it. It's so disrespectful. It's like, there's a town of movies. Get the CVS sign off of there and put the movie signs back up.

[Sarah]

I literally saw Wicked for Good in that theater, which formerly was the place to see your independent movies. So sad.

[Tanya]

I see Wicked for Good there. You got to go see that on, like, a big, crazy screen. Of course, then you have to deal with all the idiots in there.

[Sarah]

Yeah, I didn't want to go to the Grove. I remember the Angel. I saw Clerks at the Angelica Film Center. Film. Whatever. And, yeah, that I feel like is the most 90s thing I could have ever done in my life is seeing Clerks at the Angelica.

[Tanya]

Yeah, I saw a lot there. I saw, like, big fish. I saw a lot of them. Not Big Fish. The one with. Who cares? Nobody cares about this. Okay?

[Sarah]

Rumble fish or.

[Tanya]

No, the one with. Never mind.

[Sarah]

Mary McDonald.

[Tanya]

Yes, Mary McDonald. Yeah, that big fish.

[Sarah]

No, it was something else with the fish.

[Tanya]

Go fish. Something like that. Okay, so something Fish.

[Sarah]

Fish report.

[Tanya]

Fish report. Fish report. Mary McDonald does a fish report.

[Sarah]

You should also, by the way, resurrect Mary McDonald. Where is she these days? Passion fish. Passion fish.

[Tanya]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Sarah]

Great film. With Alfre Woodard.

[Tanya]

Yes. Oh, Alfrey loved her. Okay, so they're talking about reading movies and stuff, and they decide to go on a movie date. So now we go to KJ and Jesse, and KJ is asking if Sierra's okay, and Jesse's like, I don't know.

[Sarah]

I haven't seen her from her in hours.

[Tanya]

Well, I don't know. And then Darren, Ben are continue the. Continuing the flirting in his room. So Dara goes from KJ and goes to get some more. Ben flirts and we see it and she's pretty good. She's. She is a really good flirt. I mean, she's like, so, hey, what are you doing? And he's like, laying on the bed. Oh, really? What are you, a big bed layer? Love bed laying. Yeah, maybe I'll lay right here on the bed. It's like, all right. Oh, is it all right? Is it all right? Cuz beds are great. This bed's calling me. He's like, okay.

[Sarah]

You ever see a movie alone? I do. So then there.

[Tanya]

Then meanwhile, I've got a. I've got a bed. You got a doorknob or a broomstick? Sorry, I was still thinking about movies.

[Sarah]

You know what I love Marisa Tomei in the feature film in the Bedroom, which is where we are. So Bailey is watching this and she's like, oh, my God. I have to tell you something. Levi. First of all, wow, Levi, you're here. Second of all, Darren, Ben. Wow. He's gone. He's locked in. They're locked in. It's over. I lost my chance. It's done. It's done. And Levi's like, really? She cracked him. Totally cracked. It looked like they were on the Bachelor. I mean, I. I even brought him the sweet green salad, and I can't even give it to him. It's too late. The opportunity's closed.

[Tanya]

Darrell walking around, beaming her lashes at every boy, then, like, melt and them, like, melting. I mean, it's making me realize I do not stand a chance. And what she was, what I was doing with Ben, that was not flirting. Why don't I know how to flirt, everybody?

[Sarah]

She's just in her own little modern Jane Austen storyline on this show. Everyone else is just partying and getting drunk, and she's just, like, pining after people in the corner.

[Tanya]

She's very like, I'm on a shell. And my storyline is I don't know how to flirt, and I'm gonna hit it home in every single scene that I do. So then me and Sierra are creeped out because they're in bed and something keeps making their doors shake and like, oh, my God, it's the ghost. Oh, it's the ghost of turkey legs passed. That was a really good Renaissance fair. Thank you. Thank you, everybody.

[Sarah]

So good.

[Tanya]

Nailed that.

[Sarah]

Yeah, it was the ghost of me because I started going upstairs and then I realized, wait a Second I'm downstairs now. I'm in the mix. So I left. So the ghost of me up on the second floor. What can I say? Oh, next morning, time to start cleaning, everyone. So they're cleaning, and there's all this junk in the backyard. And Jesse's like, trying to make small talk with Sierra, and he's like, hey, so do you have plans this week? And she's like, long pause, long pause, long pause. Just gotta clean my apartment, get some furniture delivered, not hang out with you.

[Tanya]

He's like, so can we have a segment of old men complaining about things? Because this. I mean, I know that's our whole show pretty much, at least on my end, but this how they were cleaning up the backyard was so annoying. Well, first off, she had a trash picker upper, which I liked. You know, she had one of those grabby things instead of touching with her hands. Okay, that's not my problem. They were taking all the booze and all the cans and emptying them just all over the grass. That's disgusting. Do you do that? Do you. Do you find that acceptable? I was like, no. Hell no. And if I was renting out that house, I would be pissed. I would be marking that down. Let's fly.

[Sarah]

I think I would. I'm trying to think of where I would pour the booze out. I'm like, genuinely, just a bucket.

[Tanya]

And then you take it into the sink.

[Sarah]

I think. I think what I would do is I would gather everything and bring it to the kitchen and pour it down the drain. Yeah. I don't know. So what? Sometimes. Okay, here. Sometimes when I'm outside. Well, that's a bad example because I've got it. I've got a drain in my driveway. So sometimes if I get home and I have, like, nothing but, like, a little bit of ice in my coffee that I had in my car, I'll pour the ice down the drain in the driveway. But I don't just, like, pour it into the. Into the plants. Yeah, Gotta think about that one. Yeah. Leave a comment, everyone on where, like

[Tanya]

hundreds of cans, just pouring them all up. I was horrified. I was like, how dare you treat my property like this? Even though it wasn't.

[Sarah]

That's the least of that. Grass's issue is the. Is the lover boy. You know, I guess a lot of.

[Tanya]

There's like a turkey leg with flies all over it.

[Sarah]

Just. Yeah, that was disgusting. I was mad at that. I was like, who's the person just threw a turkey leg down on the ground? Like, you're A monster.

[Tanya]

Yeah. So Jesse's like, oh, no. I can tell Sierra's. He's doing his frown face. He's like, I can tell Sierra's upset. I'm hoping it's not at me, but I'm afraid it is. I just feel like no matter what happens, I always miss.

[Sarah]

So now they all leave, and Carl whispers to kj, he's like, hey, you know what's crazy about Lindy's car? That Kia. I pay for half of it, and I used to own half of it. It's not crazy. It's on half a car.

[Tanya]

It's like, get over it. That's how I feel. Every time I pass a school, I'm like, I paid for that school. Everyone wants.

[Sarah]

Seriously. Seriously. KJ's like, that would trip me out, bro. Like, to be honest, like, oh, that would trip me out more than me not thinking about my sisters when I hit on girls. I'm just trying not to be a lover boy.

[Tanya]

Well, I mean, it is a trip, but, I mean, it couldn't have gone better because I just didn't want it to be awkward for anybody else to argue about the kiosk so Lindsay can have it. You know, I'm a good person. I'm a good person. I gave Lindsay that Kia, so she's welcome.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Then everyone just says goodbye, and they all leave. Now we're in the city. So it's Monday. Kyle and west play golf. They go to, like, one of those indoor golf places where you hit the balls at a screen, and so they have fun there. And then it's Tuesday, and Lindsay's baby rooming around this. She's sticking things in all the outlets to make sure the baby is fine. I'm surprised she didn't do that for Carl, to be honest.

[Tanya]

And then, oh, my God, I have to baby proof this because I have a genius baby. I was like, no, genius babies do not stick their fingers in. Out.

[Sarah]

So. So just baby.

[Tanya]

Regular baby, baby.

[Sarah]

Just a baby.

[Tanya]

Well, I guess she was saying it's genius because Jenna will. Gemma will take the. She'll know how to take the covers off or something. But also.

[Sarah]

Or she's so inquisitive as a baby that she wants to touch every hole.

[Tanya]

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[Tanya]

Wow.

[Sarah]

Starting off on the strongest of notes. Real weird. Okay bro, like I could be like hanging out with an Australian bachelor and this is how you treat me? Okay, fine. Oh man. Wow. I didn't really mean to mess up like. Okay, well I'M going to give you a hug cuz otherwise it'll just feel weird for the rest of the time. So let's do this. Let's just get the hug over. Okay, you've been hugged. Congratulations.

[Tanya]

So he gets her a drink and he gets her. He gets himself a matching drink. Matching spritz. But he's also got his Guinness there.

[Sarah]

So.

[Tanya]

Man, this guy's not kidding around. It's like first date, double fisting it. You go, so KJ is like after the party, like we were definitely texting and talking on the phone, FaceTiming and you know, like, I didn't want to get into a relationship this summer cuz I'm a lover boy. But we'll see how that goes. Haha. So she's like, oh, I see you're still wearing my earrings. He's like, yeah, and when I wake up, I thought of you every day this week.

[Sarah]

She's like, oh, well that's. That's really excited. Exciting. And she's like, so am I blushing? Am I blushing? Because I hope I'm not. He's like, yeah. So I'm going to tell you this, like, literally, after I gave a tour of the backyard, I was like, well, this is kind of like a fun experience. Like this would be great. But then like all of a sudden I saw Ben and I was like, damn, cuz like, I mean, you guys were like talking and like he's giving you attention stuff. And like then I started to feel a certain type of way when you were in Ben, we're talking. But I was like, dang. I'm like, I actually like her. Like, like sir to me. I was like, is this. Does this count as game? You're talking about another guy. And then you're also kind of saying that you're jealous.

[Tanya]

You're already showing your jealousy was having a first date. Like, yeah, I mean, I like you, but I think you like that other guy. And he's like way hotter than me. Like, what are you even doing with me? You got to have been like, what are you even. What are you doing, bro? Stop.

[Sarah]

He's like asking for pity, but also showing jealousy, but then also spitting it like it's some sort of sign of dedication. And he's. She's like, yeah, I mean, that was nice. I just like, want to clarify because, like, I think I'm like not trying to make you feel like it's like some sort of like weird competition. He's like, so you don't like Ben? She's like, I Mean, no, but everyone likes Ben. Come on, say you like Ben. Say you like him.

[Tanya]

Oh, my God. Stop being disappointed hearing that. I don't like Ben. I mean, what the hell? And he's like, whoa. But, like, everyone likes Ben. Like, he's even given me a happy. Like, I mean, he's a male model. He's mature. Like, he's in his 30s. He's got hair. She's like, aren't you a male model too? He's like, yeah, but I'm just like a baby male model. I'm like an Oshkosh male model who does skateboard tricks. It's different.

[Sarah]

Well, I mean, I can see why girls would like him for sure, but for me, there's like, there wasn't a lot of chemistry. Just some hair. It's like, wow. Have you felt chemistry with us? She's like, yeah, I don't think I would have relinquished the time to come here if I didn't feel the chemistry. Wow, you felt chemistry? Like, honestly, KJ is kind of annoying on a date. I have to say, just reading it back, I'm like, this is really annoying. I don't. I would not like this at all.

[Tanya]

He is. And I thought someone like her, I mean, she's just so self assured and confident. I thought she'd be like, oh, my God, you're a wuss. Like, I need. I cannot with. I. I thought she was going to be like, okay, good to meet you. No, absolutely not. But she liked it. She loved it.

[Sarah]

Yeah, she loved it because she's like, this is all new to me this summer. I was like, all right, I'm gonna be single. I'm gonna enjoy myself and have a good time. Like, why are you saying that part, too? This summer I just want to sleep around a lot, you know?

[Tanya]

Well, but he's also getting it in there, you see? So part of me is like, is he just tricking me? Because he's also getting it in there, just like they always do. Well, I'm not really looking for anything. This is my summer of fun. So we'll see. She's like, so you want to be single? And he's like, well, I did. And then they laugh. So now we go to Carl. He's like, oh, my God, it's software. Okay, this is a great hallway, that staircase. Wow, look at that. There's like a landing there. We could put a DJ booth there.

[Sarah]

He's like, basically from like August 1st last year until now, I've been building. So far we've been doing Pop ups and we're doing events and just like talking about the good guy clause. But the goal is always open with an actual location. Because like I have my team and we've been like working together on getting a place up and running and like we're opening public later somewhere. I promise it's happening. Like, I swear to God it's gonna happen. And I mean for as many times I said like, this might not work. God, I wish I could bonk myself on the head with a tricky leg, am I right? But no, it's gonna open is gone.

[Tanya]

Flashback to Lindsay. You always say what you want to do, but there's not a lot of movement towards actually doing anything that you want to do. Promise it's going to open. So Ben comes to check it out and he's like, this is why I love New York. Because I love being around people who have an idea and they go for it. Doesn't that feel good? Doesn't that feel good?

[Sarah]

New York is the only place where that happens, unfortunately. It's the only place where people have an idea and go for it. So I'm so glad he's in New York too. So Carl's like, hey, here's the soft bar has a 24 foot high ceiling, which is amazing. It's like, well, from my entrepreneurial perspective, which I don't have since I'm just a model, it takes a lot of balls just to do something like this. Especially having a non alcoholic bar as well. I mean, it's really ambitious. What an interesting idea. A bar that does not serve cocktails. It's. You really swung for the fences and it looks phenomenal. It's just fortunately those fences are very, very far away. Very far away. But you know what they say, that's the way the cookie crumbles. Thank you.

[Tanya]

Doesn't that feel amazing?

[Sarah]

Thank you.

[Tanya]

So I'm looking at the reviews for software. They're pretty good. There's only four, which is weird, right? I'm surprised. I'm surprised that there's only four. He got one one star. She said, I've had amazing zero proof cocktails and these just don't measure up. It's like they did their sampling in a region that thinks mayonnaise is spicy. Both the Mr. Feelgood and the High Road aren't what I describe as elevated or worth the price point. There are other options nearby. Spend your money there. Wow, Williamsburg. Really going hard on the soft bars. They've got a lot of them. But he's also got a bunch of four stars. And so he's good. He's got, like a four. He's got a 4.1 rating on Yelp, so that's pretty good. This place is awesome. Carl killed it. Great drinks, very chill spot. Free wi fi and supporting people, empowering their lives. Yummy drinks, great atmosphere. I like the concept Con coffee and cocktails. And he paid for half of Lindsay's Kia. Four stars.

[Sarah]

I feel like I'm in a beautiful, roomy suv, but only half of it. I mean, look, the place looks great. It'd be interesting to see. We should. We should make a trip to it next summer. Although we have to go all the way to Brooklyn for it.

[Tanya]

That's all. It's only the first stop on the train. On the L. That's my old stop. Yeah, that's where I used to live. Yes. Like the first stop off the L. I guess if it's in Williamsburg. He got off on Bedford. I'm pretty sure. I haven't really looked it up on maps, but as someone who lived in Williamsburg for about six years. Yeah, pretty sure I know where. I can tell you where the se town is. It's my favorite place.

[Sarah]

Seat Town sounds like an. Like an insult. Go back to se town.

[Tanya]

That's before I. Even before crappin was even a dream. I used to go to a place called seat town. Oh, you guys.

[Sarah]

Se town.

[Tanya]

What a dream. Okay, so Ben. Ben loves it. And Ben's like, how much longer do you have? Five weeks. Three weeks. Am I flirting with you? Oh, no. Because everyone thinks I'm flirting. Okay. No, we've got three weeks to finish. Three. Five weeks opening. It's going to be amazing. It's got to be. You know what? I'm not coming this weekend because I got to be here. I got to be here. I got to decide, like, how are we going to have a DJ on that stair landing without them falling backwards and breaking down?

[Sarah]

Thank you. Because he was like, wow. Just being in the space, I got, like, so many ideas. Like, look, we could put a DJ up there. It's like tiny stairway landing. That's got to be a fire code issue to put a DJ setup up there. So many things here.

[Tanya]

If you're gonna put something on the landing, have your DJ be like an air in, like an Alexa that plays music, you know, or an airpod, whatever those are called. So then, yeah, they just talk about it. So then Carl's like, oh, actually, you know, like, we have a lot of people that work and are founders of non elk companies and you know, Jesse invested some other close friends and family. I have, like, some influencers. I have some athletes, you know, like people who play ball, you know, different kinds of ball. All different kinds of ball. Yeah. But not Kyle. No. No. And to be honest, like, he's got so much other shit to worry about with Loverboy. And you know what? Like, let's also be honest. Kyle doesn't throw a ball, so.

[Sarah]

Not really a ball thrower.

[Tanya]

So.

[Sarah]

Yeah, Well, y', all, I invested $15,000 in 2019 in Loverboy, and I didn't have a lot of money back in 2019, but I just, like, believed in him so much, and I knew the power of what he was building, and I really felt like there was something there. So I hope. But maybe for the same return, but he was like, I'm just not in a position to invest. And the message it sends is kind of confusing. The message is actually pretty clear to me, which is he doesn't believe in what you're doing. Unlike you, who said that. Lover boy. You said that you felt like. You felt the power of what he was building and that there was something there. I think Kyle is saying, I don't know the power of what you're building, and I don't think that there's something there. So I'm not gonna spend the money on this.

[Tanya]

We had a match, I do think. And then he did make salary by being hired there when he couldn't keep a job anywhere else he met. He made some decent money with lover boy. So I'm not going to totally dis Kyle on that one. And we do know that Kyle is completely broken because he just had to take 15 grand out of. You know, he had to. He had a. Whatever to get his $500,000 to keep lover boy afloat. So he probably just doesn't have it. So I don't know. Yeah, but I mean, I do get, like, I invested in yours, and you're not going to invest in mine, but I don't know. You're broke. You're broke. What are you gonna do?

[Sarah]

Yeah. Yeah, I think I totally understand why Carl would not be happy about that. I would not take that away from him. But I also feel like, well, maybe he just doesn't want to throw away $15,000. But we'll see. We'll see how this company goes.

[Tanya]

Doesn't want to piss it into the wind. Is that what you're saying?

[Sarah]

I'm just saying that Kyle had a

[Tanya]

car, you know, Look, I. I'm. I can see how Carl would be annoyed. But I also, you know, I'm not going to be fooled by Carl again. I've been fooled by Carl too many times. This is Carl 10 porno. And I'm not going to fall for Carl's victim act like, well, really hurts me. The Carl could invest. You got, like, yeah, you got a lot of money, you got a lot of investors. It's working out. Cry outside. That's what I say.

[Sarah]

We'll see. We'll see how it goes. I think also, like, Kyle has a proven track record. Like, going into Lover Boy, he had a track record as someone who does startups. He had the cat. Bird. Bird, dog, Cat, dog, whatever it was that he was doing. The shorts right here, he does this. And it was a product that he could bring onto the show that he could hawk every single week and, like, he could bring out to the world, you know? So, like, there's a lot of upside. I think with software, it's just a little harder because it's like, oh, ironic. But, like, it's. It's more difficult because it's like a location off of Brooklyn, and. And, like, Carl has no track record, and it's a little scary.

[Tanya]

Yeah. So Friday, we're driving to the Hamptons now. Softly, but without me worrying about the DJ stands. It's huge. So west kga, that's the boys car. And Wes is like, what's up, you brat? Hey. How was your boys this week? Well, I got a text this weekend from my friend Reagan. She works at 82 Staten, and she's like, kj's literally here on a date right now. Whoa.

[Sarah]

Oh, wow. Who's the lucky gal? He's like, oh, it's Dara. Dara? How'd that come about? We were hanging out at the party, and I gave her a little tour of the backyard. And Jesse's like, yeah. Oh, he knows that backyard like the back of his hand. They just start joking like, here's the pool, and here's the pool. So Jeff is like, so KJ says, yeah, like, we hung out, we had a few drinks, and like, yeah, we were buzzing. And then we went to Tyler the creator, because he had a show. I'm like, sir, I know. That's. That sounds like a great time. You went to Tyler the creator. You know, he puts on a great show, I'm sure. But you said you were gonna go to the Film Forum, and I was waiting for a Film Forum update. What movie did you see? How was the documentary? Did you make out afterwards? And I feel A little bit lied to.

[Tanya]

Did you get a kiss good night? He's like, yeah, I got a kiss. And then she came over yesterday and we made dinner and justice.

[Sarah]

Like, what?

[Tanya]

Oh, my God, you're basically married. Then what happened? He's like, well, I left this morning. So they're like, whoa, why, you got laid?

[Sarah]

Yeah. Oh, didn't he say that she came over to his place. So for him to say, I left this morning. Wouldn't you be doing that anyway from your place? But I don't know, I thought. I get the truth of what he's saying. I get the gist of what he's saying. I didn't even catch that. He's like, normally I wouldn't leave my house after a date, but. Well, I did leave this. Left today. But I think that's what he meant.

[Tanya]

Yeah. He implies they banged. And he's like. And Jesse's like, oh, Ben's back here silent. He must be devastated. Did you ask permission? And KJ's like, well, Ben, you know, say some please, man. Like, how do you feel, bro? And he's like, mate, I'm all for it. I'm. Listen, I'm not going to say we didn't have a vibe or any. Think at one point she said, I'm called. And I said, because the F's on.

[Sarah]

It's just such a shame that there's no, I don't know, like, a blonde girl who's available in our house. Don't you wish we had someone like that around? Oh, well, not too bad.

[Tanya]

Yeah, too bad. So sad. But listen, I'm so happy for you. I think it all went great for you and I'm rooting for you. Good suit. Good suit, mate.

[Sarah]

Thank you.

[Tanya]

Good suit.

[Sarah]

Thank you, thank you.

[Tanya]

Good, because I never want anything to come between the boys.

[Sarah]

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[Sarah]

Yeah, they have, like, a plant costume, and that comes like a little. Little planter, and you sit in it, and then you. You look like a. A house plant. But then when people walk in, you go, boo. So they set that all up. And then kj, while they're doing that, KJ is like, hey, Jesse, I also had coffee with Sierra yesterday, and I guess word got back to her about what you said to Wes somehow. And then Wes goes, yeah, because of Lindsay. I'm like, don't act like, oh, because of Lindsay. She told you she was gonna say something, and you could have been like, please don't say something. Let me handle it. You told. You basically said to her, go do it.

[Tanya]

Like, you can do my place to do it, but it could be your place to do it, because.

[Sarah]

And then now he's like. He's like, oh, man, she's so mean. Why would she betray our trust like that? Yeah.

[Tanya]

So Jesse's like, well, I texted her, just checking in on her. She didn't respond. So I figured something was off. They're like, yeah, it's a tough situation. Oh, my God, so dramatic. So Bailey and Levi are now dressed as plants, and they're carrying around pots, and they're like, oh, my God, let's hide in the front room and we'll pretend to be trees. It's gonna be so crazy. So the first group arrives, and they're like, ah. Then the second group arrives, like, ah. Then the third group arrives, like, ah. Then the fourth group. Okay, is this gonna be an hour long thing?

[Sarah]

I. I enjoyed it, actually, partially because I thought it was funny, partially because I knew it was something we could go by quickly on the recap. But I did enjoy it. Although I got. You know what? I felt so bad for Sierra. It was like pouring rain. And Sierra went running to go inside, and she just wiped out right on that staircase. I was like, l. We owe.

[Tanya]

I know. First, I'm surprised she wasn't hurt.

[Sarah]

I know. Seriously, she was the. Also the only one who was not fazed by this plant. She walked in, she's like, what's. That's like, you guys are losers. So this went on for a little while, and it sort of concluded with the guy's van. The guy's. The guy's car arriving. So now there's hugs, and Bailey's like, do I smell bad? I'm sweaty. And Jesse is like, yeah, you smell better. I think the answer's supposed to be like, no, you smell okay.

[Tanya]

Yeah. I thought that was Ben. He was like, you've smelled Beta. I was like, oh, gosh, this poor girl. So then Sierra's kind of, you know, just kind of ignores Jesse, and he's like, can we talk before dinner? She's like, yeah, whatever. So then west and Ben are watching the rain, and they're like, wow, this is what life's all about. Watching drain. Watching. Watching it rain. How do you think Jesse's doing? He's like, well, she's mad at you. It's really not good about it, that's for sure.

[Sarah]

Yeah. So Sierra and Jesse go up to her room, and he's like, well, I just feel bad because he has his frown face, his trapezoidal frown face, and he's, like, sort of doing that thing where he's, like, picking up. He's, like, lying on the bed on the side and, like, picking at, like, the quilt with his fingers and, like, looking down, he's like, I just feel bad. I mean, the boys are telling me that when I said to Wes, would you be upset if I made out with Sierra? That you're, like, upset, and they said that made you feel, like, a certain type of way. And, like, I feel bad that it, like, made you feel that way, because I didn't mean anything by. And I just feel like if we're getting flirty, I just want to be clear from west perspective, in our friendship, it was something that I was never gonna pursue. He's just saying words that, like, have no meaning behind them. Yeah.

[Tanya]

I think just probably brevity is his would be his friend here, because he's saying, like, listen, we're getting flirty. And I didn't want Wes to be offended because that's breaking bro code. So I had to ask him how I felt about it. So I asked him in kind of a jokey way. That's it. But it's like, five paragraphs, like, whoa. I mean, so she's like, but you didn't mean anything by it? And he said, well, I mean, I didn't know what my intention was. Like, I don't know where your head's at. And I just thought it was, like, the right order of operations, like, check with your boy. And then if he cares if he's still hung up, then, like, I wouldn't even think about it, you know, because that's not what boys do to boys, because, you know, we learn very early on. And so she's just, like, waiting for him to finish, but he never does. I'm sure you. You know the feeling. On this podcast, I'll Just wait for him to finish. It's like, 10 minutes later, I'm like, and another thing, I pay taxes for children to go to school in my district. I don't even have children.

[Sarah]

No, that's me to you. That's like. And then this one time when I was like, I don't know, 14, I went all the way down to the Angelica Film center, and I saw the movie. Nadia has a black and white movie about a vampire. I was young.

[Tanya]

Oh, I love that. Looking at you on the video screen, like, there he goes. See the memories as they happen. It's my man talks about them.

[Sarah]

My man, my man, My man. Go to the Angelica Film Center. Sierra. I think what Jesse should be doing in this situation is just asking Sierra how she feels. And, like, rather than just coming in, like, boom, here's what I was doing. And this is why, like, don't be mad at me. Like, why don't you see, like, check how she feels, and you can address it. I don't actually think the instinct to check with your boy, you know, to make sure everything's cool, is, like, the worst instinct in the world. But it is icky, the sense that the guys are treating her like. Like, oh, she has no say in it. That's a bad feeling. It's kind of like, he's kind of like, doing Love island rules, where, like, I think I want to have a conversation. I'm gonna have a. Like, I'm gonna post someone for a chat, but I want to let you know first. So, like, and maybe in the Love island villa, that seems like more realistic way to operate, but in real life, it actually just objectifies the other person. But I think you should just do less talking.

[Tanya]

But if he didn't do it, we'd be sitting here like, oh, my God, this is breaking bro code. And you're. You're a piece of shit for not doing that. I mean, Jesse can be a douchebag and stuff, and I think he is a douchebag. But let's not over, you know, let's not undersell what a douchebag Wes is too, because he did come to West West. Sorry that my mic came unplugged. He came to west west, you know, didn't have the balls to say anything about it, really, at the time until he was kind of forced to at the end and be like, well, maybe that's uncool, or whatever. But then west went and told every single person to get them to fight his battle for him, you know, and when they wouldn't when he told all the guys and no one fought the battle for him, he relied on Lindsay to do it and then had Lindsay go in there and they got all the girls against Jesse. And then it's like he knows what it's like to be in a bad situation in that house with all the girls. And he purposely did that to Jesse when I think Jesse was actually just kind of doing the right thing. And west is just upset that Jesse would. Would consider going for Sierra at all because that's Jesse's back. That's West's back burner show Mats, not Jesse's. West doesn't have any intention for. For Sierra. So I think west is also a huge piece of shit here, and I think that's a really shitty way to treat your friend. Fortunately for him, the friend is Jesse. And I like watching Jesse get tortured. So, you know, it's a wash.

[Sarah]

I think that West. West should actually getting more in this situation because I think the normal order of operations would be Jesse is catching feelings for Sierra, which is fine. I mean, it is a little bit of a. It is a kind of a violation of bro code. But he. First of all, he should have pulled west aside privately, not with, like, a council of boys. And he should. Pulled west aside, and he should have been. I don't know, like, he should have stood in his feelings and said, I'm interested in Sierra, not be like, maybe I might, like, jokingly make out with her. He sort of hedges a little bit like, don't be mad at me. And then West, I think if the moment the west says, I don't, it's fine. I don't care. You have to actually be about that because you can't say, it's fine, I don't care, and then make sure. And then have other people make sure the message gets to Sierra because that actually is a violation of bro code. Because I think if it never got to Sierra, if it just became a thing of like, hey, I'm interested in this girl, I want to check with you first because I don't want to, like, mess up our relationship. He says, go for it, and then he. And. And then Jesse makes moves on Sierra. I think that's, like, normal. I think that's, like, okay to do that. But because Wes then made sure Sierra found out that the discussions held back and forth, it makes her feel more objectified than it is. And so that's actually, believe it or not, like, west is kind of the bigger broker.

[Tanya]

Bigger in this situation.

[Sarah]

Yeah, I agree.

[Tanya]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

He made sure that she felt like this was. This. She was. She knew that this was being discussed in. In a. In a group with people in a laughing way. We're being taken very seriously. It just made her feel like. So that was shitty of West, I think, ultimately, because if you. Because obviously he did care, so he wasn't even being honest. He should have been like, don't do that. Like that. I don't like that. That.

[Tanya]

Yeah, they both just handle everything so stupidly. Like, honestly, just if. But then Jesse's also afraid because he doesn't want to be in the situation where he has to be like, but I like Sierra. Because then he's gonna that up too. He. I still think he just wants to. Around as much as he keeps saying, I want a girlfriend.

[Sarah]

That's right.

[Tanya]

You know, he's not acting like it. So they're both. They're both just idiots. So, you know, and then we get to Sierra, who I've already said, like, I wish was just. Just above all of this and had just. I wish this scene was just her shooting down Jesse, period. But, you know, you can't. I can't control a person's heart, unfortunately.

[Sarah]

So you can't.

[Tanya]

You know what? You can't do it. The hawk wants what it wants. Okay. Okay.

[Sarah]

This is what it wants.

[Tanya]

Sort.

[Sarah]

Sierra's basically like, I guess just weird that you're clearing it with Wes before talking to me about it. Just made me feel like you think of me as a sexual conquest. And now it's. Now it's your turn. He's like, that's not how I was thinking about you at all. I wasn't thinking in the first place. It's like, well, but hearing that made me feel that way. And then I'm hearing it's a joke. Make out whether it was a joke. And if you want to hide behind a joke, like, okay. He's like, no, I wasn't making a joke. Like, if we make out, it would

[Tanya]

just be a joke. It would be a joke. So what you're saying be a joke.

[Sarah]

It's like, oh, but I mean, I

[Tanya]

feel like we have an intro here. Here's my frown. I'm gonna frown, smile at you. I feel like we have an attraction to each other. We're also just friends. And I don't know what I'm, like, hoping for. I don't know. Well, figure it out. Like, what the hell are you gonna have a conversation. You've had a whole week to think about this. You did nothing.

[Sarah]

You did no prep no, Sierra is just. She has a nice little monologue here. She talks about how lines are so blurred, and I love you as a friend, and I'm obviously upset because I'm like, why is it that I can express that? Like, I want a boyfriend, and I want to be in a relationship, and I want to have a friendship with the person I'm with, and I want to eventually be married and have kids one day. And then you're just like, oh, you just like pictures. Just like, oh, this is just like a joke. Let's have, like, a jokey makeout session. Like, if you're really interested in me, you would ask me. You ask him for permission to ask me out on a date. If you ask him for permission for anything, not just to make out with me. Do you see where I'm coming from? Which, by the way, that's a dumb question for her to ask, because I don't think Jesse will ever see anything he does where anyone's coming from.

[Tanya]

At least this clarified it for me, because the whole episode, I was like, oh, God, this is so stupid. But, I mean, I get this. So she's like, okay, well, at least ask for permission to date me and not just hook up with me, you know? Yeah. Which I think is pretty clear. And of course, he's still not going to get that. He's like, well, sorry I made you feel like an object. You know, I don't want you to feel like that. More like you're the stuffed animal you win in a carnival. You know, that's more important. It's a bigger thing. Or you're a prize, not an object. Is that better?

[Sarah]

Sorry, I thought you might need a little bit of help in there.

[Tanya]

Great suit, guys. Great shoot. And Sierra's like, well, I mean, this is easy to put it on Jesse, but, like, it's 75 me, you know, because, like, you know, I can feel like we have a good enough relationship for him to. To come to me and say things like that. But, like, this reaffirms the theme in my head that people just want to hook up and they just don't want anything serious, you know? And that's like, I can't get that out of my head.

[Sarah]

Yeah. And she has, like, a lot of baggage with her dad and her upbringing that I think informs all this. So she says, yeah, I just. I just want to be seen in this friendship. And I think that's the only thing that I'm, like, the main thing I'm fighting for, you know? So we will see what will happen between these two in the. In the fallout situation? What will happen? But in the meantime, go check out that replay on Kiswee. Go read our newsletter. Go do all of the things. And there was something else I feel like we were supposed to. Oh, and go check out our bonus episode this week, which is free. It's a free bonus episode featuring Rob Cesar Nino from Rob has a podcast and we talk about traders and Survivor. How cool. So go check that out on our feed. Thanks, everyone, for being here.

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