#3251 Ladies of London S4E02: Truth or Dara

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Ladies of London S4E02: “Truth or Dara” (Ep. 3251)

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Original Air Date: March 9, 2026

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Episode Overview

Ben and Ronnie revel in the drama and posh dysfunction of Ladies of London Season 4, Episode 2, dissecting the chaos of dinner parties, etiquette faux pas, and rumors of madams among the upper crust. The hosts celebrate the series’ sharp wit and critique, highlight their favorite eccentric British socialites, and serve up their signature biting humor, all while focusing on the drama spun around Dara and the walkie-talkie incident that spirals into a cast member's dramatic exit.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The New Era of Ladies of London

• The hosts praise the reboot’s energy and cutting edge compared to previous seasons, noting its “cut fitnessy” edge—a term they use for sharp, socially competitive Bravo shows ([05:28]).
• Ben distinguishes the show’s focus:
  “This one definitely has a different feeling... It feels like we're watching socialites going out and doing socialite things. It’s not as family oriented... I think this show just has so much attitude, and I love it.” ([05:28])

2. British vs. American Social Codes

• The episode opens with discussions about the quirks of socializing as Americans in London, including etiquette and the struggle to fit into aristocratic norms.
• The hosts hilariously recount cast member Micah's Americaness, as well as Emma’s understated British digs about Americans:
  Emma: “They're much friendlier than us, probably. Which is lovely.”
  Ronnie: “It’s like the Southern bless her heart.” ([08:20])

3. Micah, the Etiquette Queen and Chip-gate

• Micah, an American, has built a personal brand teaching British etiquette. The hosts lampoon her viral “quiet chip eating” video:
  Ben: “If you’ve ever wanted to see what it looks like to give a chip a blowjob, watch this video.” ([11:39]) Ronnie: “Do it because the salt from those, I mean, your lips are going to disintegrate.” ([11:52])
• Micah’s absentee husband and her emotional dependence on friendships—in particular, Dara—are discussed as foundational elements in her storyline.
  Micah: “If I don’t have Dara, who do I have? Who am I without Dara?” ([19:08])

4. The “Madam” Rumor and Dara’s Dinner Party

• Dara’s dinner at Ivy Asia is intended to showcase her culture but quickly becomes the epicenter of drama (notably, Dara’s Asian heritage is later discussed as possibly a target of microaggression concerning the “madam” label).
• The rumor that Dara is a “madam” spreads through the group, and her reaction—staring off silently—fascinates the hosts:
  Ronnie: “That’s my favorite thing they're doing with Dara... everybody, even the people who are shooting her are like, this lady is such gold.” ([20:50])
• Dara’s TV inexperience is exposed as her interviews are notably lower quality, and by episode's end, she decides to quit the show with little warning ([21:19], [71:02]).

5. British Eccentricities: Moldy Cottages and Aristocratic Blues

• Martha’s “grottage” (grotty cottage) becomes comedic gold:
  Ronnie: “This apartment is basically like three week old cheese. I mean, it is just mold.” ([37:17])
• Martha recounts hardships: divorce, stalkers, and money woes, leading to a broader discussion about the difficulties faced by “aristos” living among luxury but lacking financial stability ([38:16]).

6. Contrasts Within the Cast

• Lottie and her flamboyant, fashion-endowed husband are likened to classic Bravo couples (e.g., Alex & Simon from RHONY):
  Ben: “Is this the new Alex and Simon? ...wacky coming couple? But we sort of like them.” ([34:39])
• The cast’s inherited privilege is lampooned when Dara preaches about being “self-made”:
  Ben: “These are not self made people... they’re like, oh no, we don’t work. We never have worked. We don’t want to work.” ([61:37]) Ronnie: “Self made? Only trash makes itself.” ([62:08])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Micah’s Etiquette Journey

• Micah: “I actually trained underneath a former member of [the] Queen of England’s household staff… She taught Princess Diana’s etiquette? …My love of etiquette came from confidence.” ([10:33])
• Ben: “I would love it if her etiquette teacher was just a full on con artist... ‘Yeah, governor, I taught princess etiquette!’” ([10:33])

The Perfect British Dig

• Emma: “They're much friendlier than us, probably. Which is lovely, which is her way of saying... so unsophisticated and embarrassing for them.” ([08:20])

On Dara's “Madam” Rumor

• Dara (deadpan): “Like, is it a big deal? Like, no. I’ve been called much worse is what I’m saying.” ([21:41])
• Martha: “I'm not saying I don't gossip… It’s just funny, I suppose. I mean, the less I know about this, the better.” ([28:08])

Martha’s Grot(t)age

• Martha: “I live with the magpie. I deal with enough shit...I love the crotch. What I don't love is the wallpaper peeling off and the damp patches.” ([37:17], [44:10])

Self-made Satire

• Dara: “We're all entrepreneurs and we’ve all made some from nothing.” ([60:29])
• Ben (mocking): “These are not self made people...they’re like, oh no, we don’t work. We never have worked.” ([61:37])
• On Mark’s background: “Russian princess mother, Italian businessman father...” (caption, [61:15])

Walkie Talkie-Gate & Dara’s Exit

• Missy: “I do feel that you put me in a really shitty position though... when we were talking about your friend Micah and you said, oh, she's a bit cringe... She's kind of low class, she's tacky...” ([64:07])
• Dara (to production): “I don't think I mean for this, babe. Like, I'm not meant for it. This is just not me. Like, I love Micah, but she just doesn't, like, have my experience of being thrown under a bus.” ([70:52])
• Ben (about Dara): “You’re the one quitting. Why did you quit, Dara? I needed you to stay on the show.” ([71:11])

Cultural Tensions & Microaggressions

• Ben: “It pinged me a little bit... it feels weird that, like, the only Asian American lady on the cast that they're gonna go there for...I definitely have to look into that and read more about that.” ([81:06])
• Ronnie: “...I really like Dara. I thought she was perfect for this show...her whole vibe of, like, talking shit behind somebody’s back and then being called out on it and being, like, didn’t say it.” ([81:25])

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Scene-by-Scene Highlights with Timestamps

[04:20] – Initial reactions to the new cast, energy, and “cut fitnessy” vibe. [06:53] - [08:37] – British perspectives on Americans; “chatty” American personalities lampooned. [09:36] - [14:22] – Deep dive into Micah’s etiquette business, marriage anecdotes, and viral chip-eating technique. [18:33] - [19:42] – Micah’s loneliness and emotional dependency on Dara. [20:06] - [23:12] – Dara prepares her dinner party at Ivy Asia; first whiffs of the “madam” rumor. [23:55] - [28:08] – Emma and Mark’s tea house scene; quintessentially British nuances; the “madam” rumor gets new life. [32:02] - [36:22] – Lottie's pregnancy photoshoot and unconventional marriage; Martha’s introduction and grottage horrors. [38:16] - [43:09] – Martha’s backstory (divorce, stalker, magpie roommate); discussion on class fall and resilience. [46:47] - [49:54] – Missy’s therapy breakthrough and reflection on toxic relationships. [51:00] - [53:23] – Margot’s sobriety, motherhood, and Martha’s struggle with contractors and trusting strangers. [54:47] - [62:08] – Dara’s ill-fated dinner party: walkie talkie drama, self-made satire, and British elitism laid bare. [63:00] - [68:22] – Missy confronts Dara, details the “cringe” accusations; Dara attempts evasive denials and withdraws from confrontation. [70:26] - [74:54] – Dara refuses to shoot further, citing being misunderstood and “not meant for this”; the party devolves in her absence, culminating in her official exit from the “friend group.” [80:41] - [83:26] – Ben and Ronnie reflect on Dara’s role, the problematic symmetry of the “madam” rumor, and wish she had stayed to openly defend herself.

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Overall Impression & Takeaways

• Ladies of London S4 is off to a brisk, drama-filled start, with campy British eccentricity and social hierarchy lampooned masterfully by Ben and Ronnie.
• Dara’s arc—particularly the “madam” rumor and her teary, defensive exit—is both hilarious and loaded with heavier undertones (possible microaggressions, celebrity anxiety, and the cost of reality TV fame).
• The cast’s lack of shame about their privilege, juxtaposed with forced “self-made” narratives, provides prime comedic and critical fodder.
• Micah’s chip-gate, Martha’s cottage woes, and the group’s ability to rapidly oscillate from humor to deeply personal admissions reinforce the series’ emotional wildness and satirical strengths.

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For First-Time Listeners

This episode is emblematic of Watch What Crappens in top form: playful, sharply observant, and always ready to pounce on both the ridiculous and the real. You’ll leave feeling like you’ve spent a night at a drunken Notting Hill dinner party—without ever having to clean magpie droppings from your own grottage.

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Transcript

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[Ronnie Caram]

Oh my gosh, I wish I had the business acumen to be a madam.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's hard. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of effort. We are talking Ladies of London, the second episode that premiered at the end of last week. Before we dive into that, only a few days left to watch the replay of the crappies. Thanks to everyone who went and like made little watch parties over the weekend. That was so cool. I saw some people gathered around, there were some videos of people, some people like got together on their sofas and watched together and we are really flattered and we really appreciate that you took the time to sit, sit and gather and gather, gather and watch the Crappies. So if you want to check it out, if you haven't seen it yet, go to watch crappens.com there's a link there. And the replay is available through Friday. Friday, Friday also patreon.com watch whatcrappens. That's where you get our ad free feed. Brand new newsletter just hit the streets. It's. It's hit the streets. It's walking down the streets. It's poking in to Starbucks, getting a coffee and continuing down the street. It's having a great day. So check out the newsletter. Also our video is, is on Patreon. So all that great stuff is there. Come join us. Today we are doing Amazon live and that's going to be at 1:30 West coast time. That's new time. 1:30 and that means of course 4:30 East coast time. So that's all the exciting stuff. Unless I forgot anything. I don't think I did. And let's get on with it. Let's go to part two basically of the two part premiere, Ladies of London. I have to say, Ronnie, first episode I was like, I'm not really feeling Mark Francis. I felt like he was so over the top. He felt like more affected. But second episode I was is either the second episode or me having more time to get used to him. I totally was like on board. I'm on board with Mark Francis. No notes on the show anymore. It's like, it's an amazing show. It's so good.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's a really good show. I hope it keeps up, you know, I hope it doesn't like fall on its face in episode three because all week I've been like, ladies of London, Ladies of London, Ladies of London. I'm the town crier, you know. Watch it please.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, it felt like a lot of people on the Internet all weekend long people were talking about it like it seems to be, it is the rage for the Bravo sphere. Everyone's talking about that in Southern hospitality which really had two super strong premieres that last week. So I'm hoping the ratings actually match it or whatever metrics that Bravo is using these days to decide what shows are successful.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, me too, because it's good. So here we go. Ladies of London, season four, episode two. I wish they wouldn't call it season four because it's really not the same thing. I get that they're rebooting it, but the first Ladies of London wasn't that popular and so it's like, why bring back a show that wasn't that pot? Just either Give it a name or just call it Ladies of London, the new Reign, and just have it be season one. Because I think it confuses people. If they see season four on Bravo, they're like, well, I can't watch that. I haven't watched the other three seasons. And then they watch the other three seasons. They're like, meh. Mm, shows its own.

[Ben Mandelker]

Even though we loved the other. But the thing is, also, of course, we did the first Ladies of London was, I think, a little bit closer to a Real Housewives brand. But this one definitely has a different feeling to it. Right. It definitely feels like we're watching socialites going out and doing socialite things. It's not as family oriented. We've barely spent really any time with their families. And I think that's really good because you need to have some sort of separation between the brands. Right. And so I. I think this show just has so much attitude, and I love it. You know, as the gays would say, this show is cut fitnessy. It's really cut fitnessy. I think it's, like, actually the most cut fitnessy that any, like, Bravo show of all time. Like, already, I'm like, I don't think there's ever been a Bravo show that's been so cut fitnessy. Yeah. Right.

[Ronnie Caram]

And I can't see how that would turn into a bad thing if it's someone that we really liked that they were going against. But in this case, it's someone that deserves, you know, seems to deserve it from everything that we're seeing. So it was super fun. And they also do it in such a fun, you know, like the whole. Oh, you think she'll be offended that I called her a madam. I had no idea. Like, yes, that's a horrible. You cannot call somebody a madam. Like, I just thought it was making her more interesting. Like, they're shocked that anybody would be upset that they're telling the whole world that they're a madam.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, an architect. Like, an established architect.

[Ronnie Caram]

I thought it was making her more interesting. Darling.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. Yeah. The show is so cut. Fantasy. Maybe Gallery Girls is. Gallery Girls is probably still the number one of all time. But this one so far, in for two episodes. I mean, just the opening line. It starts with Mark saying, people often ask, can you tell when someone's an American? Well, yes. The moment they open their mouths, right out the gates.

[Ronnie Caram]

Cut to Micah.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, hello, London calling. Kind of telephone. Or even before. So then Emma is. Okay. We have to remind ourselves who all these People are. Which one's Emma? Oh, Emma. Okay. Emma. Yeah. Emma's like the sister.

[Ben Mandelker]

Which one is Emma?

[Ronnie Caram]

Why can't I bring it? Emma, royalty. She's the one that lives in the castle that has been turned into a safari and has to bathe rhinos every day but pretend, you know, like, she's happy. So she's like, when you go to America, when you go to a shop, they're like, this is my name. This is what I do. We don't talk as much here. And then we cut to Margot, and Margot's like, yeah, I'm an actor. I give a guy a hand job one time in a movie. Yeah. I mean, my hands were sticky, but it really got me some popularity. I have kids now, you know? I love the smell of these candles. Do you like candles that smell?

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

I love candles that smell.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm giving this candle a hand job. Olivier Award. Am I right?

[Ben Mandelker]

We are so chatty, it's crazy. We're out of control. Emma's like, and it's lovely. They're much friendlier than us, probably. I like when she says when it's. Which is lovely, which is her way of saying. Which is so unsophisticated and embarrassing for them. Lovely was. We call it lovely.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yes. Bless her heart. You know, it's like the Southern bless her heart. They're much friendlier than us, probably. And then we go to Lottie, and she's like, well, I think my advice to any American trying to make it in the London scene would just be good luck.

[Ben Mandelker]

Maybe if you could find yourself a Johnny Depp in a skinny pant, you'll get by. But until then, good luck. So then Kimmy is having lunch with. And then the waiter comes up to her and is like, would you like another drink? She goes, well, I would have liked one 28 minutes ago.

[Ronnie Caram]

I think on the whole, we rather like Americans, I think. I mean, on the whole,

[Ben Mandelker]

she's like, well, I'm sure there's exceptions. And now that I think even harder about it, maybe not on the whole. Maybe on the half. On the half. We like them on the quarter, maybe down to one fifth.

[Ronnie Caram]

So now we go to Micah, who is the manners lady, the American trying to teach British people manners, which is hilarious. So we go to a business meeting at her house with Ari, her head of marketing, and they're going over her schedule. And the producer's like, okay, well, tell me how you got into doing etiquette. She's like, so I was an American living in London, and I was at this amazing dinner, and everybody just knew their cutlery so beautifully, and they were holding their champagne flute so effortlessly, gliding around a dinner party, and I just felt so insecure. And then Marco, my husband, I mean, he grew up in Switzerland, so, you know, this was second nature to him. But he wasn't gonna tell me I was right or wrong because, you know, Switzerland. So, you know, he actually took the time and said, well, why don't you learn something? So why don't you teach? Take an etiquette class. And, you know, I know that's the last thing that the boy you're dating you want to say to you, like, wow, you're a pig. Take some etiquette class. But I did, and we got married. Worked out for me.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then she's like, yeah, I actually trained underneath a former member of queen of England's household staff. And she taught me Princess Diana at it. She probably. She taught Princess Diana's etiquette? Yeah, she did that. And my love of etiquette came from confidence. I got through it, and I just wanted to give it to other people, which I think is such a beautiful thing. I would love it if, like, her etiquette teacher was just a full on con artist. Like, yeah, so, yeah, that's right, governor. I taught princess etiquette. You know, I can take duty.

[Ronnie Caram]

You want my resume, I clean them. I cleaned the queen's. All right.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I should have been fishing chip today. If you feed me a fish and chip today, I'll pay you tomorrow.

[Ronnie Caram]

So we see a video called try this trick to eat chips quietly. She goes, guys, chip noise is rude. So if you don't want to offend everybody around you eating a chip, put it in your mouth and then put your lips around a chip. And it makes the noise soft. It dampens the noise to the chip. Oh, my God. But now you have chip shit all over your lips.

[Ben Mandelker]

If you've ever wanted to see what it looks like to give a chip a blowjob, watch this video. She's like. She like, literally blows the chip. I was like, whoa. But also I was like, I'm gonna try that, because that was really cool. You know, I love that.

[Ronnie Caram]

Do it because the salt from those, I mean, your lips are gonna disintegrate. Yeah, they're not gonna have lips anymore. That stuff is not to be touched.

[Ben Mandelker]

It just was the funniest image. It was like fish lips coming up. She's like, she. And she's gonna take her 10 minutes, eat that chip. She's like.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she also didn't learn that from the queen's assistant. That's some bull. She's just making shit up for content, you know? It's like, oh, my God. Okay, what are we gonna do today, guys? What's something that's rude? What is something that's rude that needs to be addressed? Oh, God. Oh, God. Chip noise. It's chip noise. It's chip noise. Ari, get down here.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm writing a memo to the Frito Lay Corporation to reduce their chip noise. Yeah, I feel like no one in the palace in Buckingham palace is eating chips anyway. Those types of chips. So. So now. Yeah. So Micah's telling us. You know, I met my husband in New York City in 2008, and I just felt madly in love. And then, boom, Marco gets a call that he's being sent back to London. And then I went. He said, you weren't supposed to come with me. I would. This was what we call a ghosting. And I said, no, I'm gonna follow you. And he said, but. But I was sort of hoping you would just stay back in New York. And I said, no, I'm here. And so he said, okay, well, I guess we'll see how this works out. So now he just flies away every week, and he's gone every single week, and I never see him. So we're really happy.

[Ronnie Caram]

I just write him letters saying, I figured out the chip noise pollution.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Come back.

[Ben Mandelker]

Come back. He's trying to get away so badly. He's like. He really is.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

Gotta move to Europe. I guess this is a deal breaker. So I guess our relationship is over. Not necessarily. I'll come with you.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. She's like, yeah. He's never here, but he wants to be. So, you know, I'm raising the kids.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

He wants to raise the kids, though.

[Ronnie Caram]

He just can't because, you know, private equity, it's very private. I can't talk about it. So private. I don't even have his phone number really. But I do write letters.

[Ben Mandelker]

I did try to tag him in the video about the chips, but he didn't give it a like yet. But I'm sure he'll see it soon.

[Ronnie Caram]

So the kids, Max and Valentina are there and she's like, oh, yeah. I mean, there's definitely times when I'm burnt. You know, at the end of the week, you're burnt out and all you to do is, like, melt to the ground. That would be so rude. Or just be a puddle of human on the ground. Don't do that if you want to melt into the ground, don't do it. Go into a walk in. Get yourself together. Nobody needs a human puddle on the ground. It's rude. Don't embarrass America. Your husband will never call you.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love that her daughter's name is Valentina because it maintains the tradition of having a Valentina on Ladies of London. You know, Valentina formerly was Caroline Stanberry's assistant. So the spirit lives on. Yeah, it's like there must always be a Valentina. And I'm. I would love it if Valentine also.

[Ronnie Caram]

Bad news, mom.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bad news, mom. We learned about shapes in school today. Bad news. Bad news, mum. Got a B in my simple fractions quiz.

[Ronnie Caram]

Bad news, mum. We're not doing math anymore. Now we're doing Singapore math.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

What the fuck?

[Ben Mandelker]

Bad news, mum. Just learned about the history of this country. It's pretty dark, mom. Oh, well, that's great.

[Ronnie Caram]

Long line of loud chip eaters we've got here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mom, can I go to this toy store today? Sorry, I'm choking on my own saliva. I'm laughing so hard. I'm choking on my own saliva and I can barely let out. Get out of Valentina.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, Valentina the assistant. I will never, never forget that voice. Go home, Mom. It's like Joel. Whoa, Valentina. Here's a lozenge. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ronnie Caram]

So she's really tired, you guys. And they're FaceTiming Marco. And Max is uninterested because, you know, he's probably got abandonment issues or whatever. And Micah's like, well, I just. I rely on my friendships in London because, you know, I don't really have a husband here. You know, some people get to talk to their husband. I don't really. So, you know, I get to talk to my friends without my friends. I've just got this sock that I put on my hand. Hi, Marco. I love you, honey. I wish I was with you. I wish you were with me too, Marco. Oh my God. Why is my hand still moving? It's just my voice. It's still the sock talking. Marco. Come home.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, Sock. Marco, do you want to try eating a potato chip? Okay, look, quiet. So Micah is like, yeah. So, you know, I don't have family physically with me in London. My friends are my family. My family. Well, my family actually said, we're not here right now. Please leave a message on the machine. Which is funny, because answering machines haven't been a thing for, like, 25 years. But that's what happens when I call and I just have my friends, and it's really just Dara. If I don't have Dara, then who do I have? Who am I without Dara?

[Ronnie Caram]

Who am I? Let's go to Dara. This is Dara. She's at a restaurant called Ivy Asia, and she's getting ready for a dinner party and putting out name cards and stuff. And she's like, you know what?

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

I think that we should put the name on both sides of the card. I love that. I love when there's a name on the front and there's a name on the back. That's how Dara does it. Architecture.

[Ben Mandelker]

My dinner party is at Ivy Asia because I want to treat everybody to something special with the Chinese culture to show them a little bit of my culture. So I'm like, these ladies can be too drunk to get any sort of appropriate lessons from any culture right now.

[Ronnie Caram]

So.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Dara sees Lottie. She FaceTimes Lottie, and she's like, oh, my God, you look beautiful. She's like, oh, thank you. It's my pregnancy boobs. Plus, just being naturally British, I just have a. Just a general beauty about me, don't I? Stupid Americans. That was a dis on them a little bit. You wanna take a dick at an American right now?

[Ronnie Caram]

All right, well, you've heard about Mark's garden party, haven't you? She's like, yeah.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

I mean, my colleague filled me in a little bit, but, like, it sounded like an interesting conversation.

[Ronnie Caram]

And the producer asks her, so what about this rumor that you're a madam? And she's like, oh. They just show her kind of staring off into the camera. That's my favorite thing they're doing with Dara. Like, everybody, even the people who are shooting her are like, this lady is such gold. Don't even say anything. Just keep the camera on her. She never answers the question, by the way. And she just kind of, like, stares off into this. She just laughs and kind of stares off into the distance.

[Ben Mandelker]

And what I love is that she obviously quits the show by the end of the episode, and they clearly don't have any interview footage of her. Like, they don't have any pickups. They clearly just have, like, the weird low quality cell phone interview they did for the sizzle reel. So it's like this low quality interview in the middle of the show, just Dara. And she's like.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

I mean, like, is it a big deal? Like, no.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think that Micah's certainly more sensitive than I am. I. The truth is, people will formulate more opinions about a public figure. And Micah doesn't have a public Persona yet. So for her, it was probably a bigger deal than it was for me. I've been called much worse is what I'm saying.

[Ronnie Caram]

She is more upset that Micah knew about it first.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

She's like, well, it's just that Micah's not really famous enough to understand that people make stuff up about famous people. Poor Micah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. She's like. She's just so alarmed because she's just not famous enough to know what it's like to have, you know, crazy rumors made up about you.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Well, it'll be cleared up on Thursday. I'm sure. It's gonna be so fun.

[Ronnie Caram]

Now we go to the Mayfair district, and Emma's going to a tea house to meet Mark. And he sees her and he's like, oh, good Lord, it's you, woman. I've never seen a woman as wonderful.

[Ben Mandelker]

He basically gets up in the middle of the restaurant, goes running across the restaurant. He's like. And Emma's like, mark Vandelli is incredible. He has been my friend for ages now. We met in Saint Tropez 14 years ago, and he's the funniest person in the world. Wait, do you want to see me laughing at his jokes? Here we go. Hahaha. Anyway, so he's so kind. He's amazing with children. He's my youngest son's godfather. He's wonderful.

[Ronnie Caram]

Emma and I are not friends. Emma is essentially my Siamese twin, because whatever we are, wherever we are in the world, we're somehow always connected and we're always thinking the same thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they sit down and everything, and Mark's like, oh, look at us. We're both so fat. She's like, I always say I'm Prosecco and he's champagne. And that is basically what you need to know. So then she orders tea and everything. She's. By the way, this woman is, like, very elegant and very beautiful, and there's a sadness behind her eyes. I kind of feel like she's trapped in a life she doesn't want but,

[Ronnie Caram]

yeah, she lives in a fucking zoo.

[Ben Mandelker]

A literal zoo.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, I thought I was getting a castle, and then they told me we had to start a zoo in the backyard to keep the fucking lights on. Now I have parties, and everyone smells dung. Okay, this is my life.

[Ben Mandelker]

But she also does seem like she is someone who is in the aristocracy. I mean, she is. And, like, you can tell the difference because she just. She's just way more restrained. Whereas, like, Marc is like, oh, hello, darling. And she's like, oh, hello. Hello there. So I enjoy her sort of like her quiet restraint. I don't. I'm not gonna say disdain, because she does seem to really love Mark, but there's something about her that is, like, silently judgy, which is one of my favorite qualities.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. I think part of her is like, why am I here?

[Ben Mandelker]

You know? Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So she's like, oh. She says, oh. So Kimmy comes in, and she's like, oh, hello, darling. Hi. I certainly hope you kill that animal that you're wearing yourself. Kimmy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kimmy is an icon. I first met Kimmy when I was, like, 17 through my husband, Kelly Sulin. Su Lin is what we decided. That's how it's pronounced, Celine. And Kimmy is like, oh, I love ceiling. I met ceiling 100 years ago, back in the decadent days when we were still allowed to go to the big country houses and break antiques. You know that there's someone that was like, did they let that American back in who was breaking all the antiques?

[Ronnie Caram]

The first time I met her, she was, like, 17, and I went to her house so drunk that I collapsed on the floor. And her mother was like, are you all right? Do you think you could make it home? And I'm like, I don't know. So her mother had me my car keys, and off I drove.

[Ben Mandelker]

So where have you been? I see. I see you were in Cannes. I love the pivot from, like. I was so drunk, I fell on the floor, and her mother yelled at me. So how was Can?

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I was in Cannes for, like, the longest Cannes of my life, doing simultaneous jobs, overlapping. I got to be glamorous. Oh, fantastic. Oh, carefree. Were you carefree? I was carefree, kind of. Well, anyway, I need to know what I missed. Oh, God. Did somebody step and poop of some kind? No, that was me. It was me.

[Ben Mandelker]

You don't understand. I was doing so much in Cannes, I had to take a picture on top of a staircase. Had to take a picture in the middle of a different staircase. Had to take a picture at the bottom of a different staircase. There's just a lot of staircases that I took photos at. I'm very tired.

[Ronnie Caram]

Can I ask you a question? What happens if one needs a wheelchair in Cannes?

[Ben Mandelker]

They didn't have a single rhinoceros down there. So. So Emma's like, tell me about this party that this got this garden party. And so Kimmy's like, well, the funniest part about the whole fucking parody. So Martha Sitwell's fresh. She's fresh.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, darling, darling, don't choke. That's what happens when you eat. Don't eat. How many times do I have to tell these ladies eating causes choking.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is one group I never want to choke amongst because none of them will give you Heimlich. They'll just sit and laugh in your face. Oh, look, she's dying. Isn't this positively hilarious? She's gonna die. Well, enjoy your last few moments while you asphyxiate. We're gonna have a martini in your honor. Have a good. A great life. Congratulations, RIP Fatty.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's what she got for eating. Am I right?

[Ben Mandelker]

So Kimmy is like, well, Margot came out and said the other day that this Dara girl. Thank you to whoever did that. Is a madam.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, we're spilling tea, are we? Oh, I just love it. A madam, I tell you. Well, I don't know about this. This doesn't sound good. Oh, shut up, Emma. It's funny. This is a madam.

[Ben Mandelker]

Think about it.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

A madam.

[Ben Mandelker]

First of all, it's a French saying, which is hilarious on a show about British. But also, think about it. She knows prostitutes. If you. Really? She's an architect. She probably built her own brothel.

[Ronnie Caram]

It is funny. Probably less funny to a marquisa or whatever I am. And she's like, well, I'm not saying I don't gossip, of course, who doesn't love gossip and tea? You know, it's just funny, I suppose. I mean, Kimmy says it is, but the less I know about this, the better. Frankly, Su Lin won't like it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So this Dara person, was she there?

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, no, no.

[Ben Mandelker]

She told me she had her best friend's wedding, and she said, oh, it's in Tuscany. And I said, oh, that's great. You know, I just bought a house in Tuscany where. And she goes, well, I don't know. My assistant book it. I said, o.

[Ronnie Caram]

So she's rich? Rich, yes. Well, anyway, she's invited us to dinner. A lady who went to Tuscany but doesn't know which part of Tuscany who I can't wait to see what she's going to serve for dinner.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait a second. Mark Francis. So you bought a house. Where did you buy a house? Oh, yes, it's in Florence. I bought this house because I thought actually it was a very good way to spend more time with my father. Unfortunately, he's slowly deteriorated. So let's have a moment. Obviously serious, for about 10 seconds. I'm so sorry.

[Ronnie Caram]

This is very. This show where everybody. It's like they, they. They turn a switch, and then everybody gets really dark. I mean, his whole face gets. He has kind of a dark face anyway. And I mean emotionally, like, his eyes get dark. You can see, like, little dark clouds swirling in his eyes. He's like, yes, I bought this house because actually, it was a good way for me to be close to my father, who's deteriorating rapidly. Anyway, anyway, fabulous Tuscany. Wonderful. We've just got our first Olive Garden. Did I tell you?

[Ben Mandelker]

So you're the un. So you're the only child. Sad. Sad. He's like, yes, I am the only child. Can't you tell? Oh, we're back. Back to fun times.

[Ronnie Caram]

My relationship. Dark moment. Dark moment. Thank you. My relationship with my father growing up was very simple, really. I would fly to him, go to Italy every weekend at the. And then fly back on a Sunday night. It was just a constant series of goodbyes. All right, lights back. Lights back up. We've got that one. Right? Print. Print that one, sir.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was also a constant series of hellos. Okay. I'm like, put a smile on your face. Be American. So Kimmy is like, well, if you need help with anything, just ask Dara. She probably knows who to help.

[Ronnie Caram]

She'll at least find someone for you to snog

[Ben Mandelker]

my father. I'm still having a dark moment. My father and I haven't really spent very much time together in the past 30 years. Too much solitude, too much pain, too little understanding, too little connection, really. Am I doing lyrics that sound like they're from the 90s? Perhaps, but that's okay. I don't want to be too late. Doesn't sound like. Sounds like that Kathy Dennis song. Too many walls have come up between us. Oh, father, Dark knight over.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, father, here I am dancing on my own.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Kimmy is like, well, if there's anything you need. If you need just a bowl of cockles, I can make that for you. It's my children's favorite.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I need so much dark moment over. Dark moment over. Well, she's already got in nurse's uniform and a cupboard. Oh, vintage, I'm sure. Sure. He's like, except it's latex. Oh.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then Kimmy takes a napkin, puts it in her hair, and she's like, look, it's like my little nurse's hat. And they're like, oh, could I come in? I'm sultry now.

[Ronnie Caram]

How could I refuse such a generous offer? I couldn't. I couldn't.

[Ben Mandelker]

Dr. Dara, the madam, she represents me.

[Ronnie Caram]

So now we go to a photo. Just Kimmy's enjoyment over this madam storyline is hilarious. So now we go to a photo shoot, and Lottie's doing her pregnancy photo shoot, but she doesn't look pregnant, so they're gonna do it anyway. She's 17 weeks pregnant and you can't even tell, but she's like, I'll just put my hand on my stomach. Does that work? And then her husband, who looks like a Goth Mr. Peanut, is there, of course, you know, directing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Joshua and I met at the Box, which is an infamous nightclub in Soho. And the man walked in with his fedora and his mustache, and behind them was a family of women with lots of lip liners, like Lexi Wood and her mom and dad and her sister.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Hi.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I thought, my God, is it Johnny Depp? Is it the year 2001 when Johnny Depp was someone that we lusted after because it's dark in here, you know, and he does have that look. And I thought, wow, I'm about to be super famous with Johnny Depp. Turns out it wasn't Johnny Depp, just some sort of claymation stick figure person. And I thought, sure, why not?

[Ronnie Caram]

It wasn't Johnny Depp, but it was something more infamous. Anemia. So we got married immediately, you know, as two hours later, someone found us snogging downstairs at the the Box. By the way, I'm just going to keep saying the Box because it's very popular on Bravo lately. The Box. The Box. The Box. The Box. The Box. We are. We're hearing a lot about the Box. Is it a chain?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, I guess. I wonder if it started in London and then went to New York. Probably did.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, the rest is history. We got engaged after eight weeks of dating. We were married within the year, and this year we'll be three years married. And we've got a baby on the way.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh.

[Ronnie Caram]

So we see this is Baby Kane up on the screen as she holds her stomach. And this guy really is like, I can't wait for this baby to come out so I can suck out its stem cells. He looks creepy, this guy.

[Ben Mandelker]

The first ever sonogram that has a handlebar mustache. So she says. I think it's just the obvious thing for people to assume, oh, he's a man that works in fashion, so he's gay. Oh, he's a man who dresses well, so he's gay. Oh, he's a man who has sex with other men, so he's gay. But, you know, honestly, I find his flamboyance really attractive. We do our nails together like we do our makeup. It's so fun. And honestly, it's like a proper partnership. It's not just, you're a boy, you're a girl. It's like we are one.

[Ronnie Caram]

I've married me. A very sickly me, but a me all the same. Kids.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is this the new Alex and Simon? Is this the. Is this the second coming of them? This strange sort of codependent and. And wacky coming couple? But we sort of like them.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm totally into them. I think that that's a good comparison. Yeah, I really like this couple, and I like that they're so weird, and they're like, let's just do each other's makeup.

[Ben Mandelker]

Who gives a. I kind of love it, too. I love that they're like, odd duck.

[Ronnie Caram]

I kind of would like to follow him and see what he's doing because she's, you know, she's not. So it's only episode two, but so far she's not that interesting. But he is. Follow him around.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, I will say he is a tailor to the stars, and his suits are tailored within a millimeter of his body like they are. They fit him like a glove. I was like, this guy is talented.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I mean, I guess. Yeah, he looks great.

[Ben Mandelker]

He does look like a Victorian cartoon. But he is talented. One thing has nothing to do with another.

[Ronnie Caram]

I mean, he looks like consumption, but, yeah, he's very talented. So then we go to Martha's grottage, the gross cottage.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she's inside talking about how she. Okay, so Martha, my favorite wife, this little shack that she lives in with all the paint falling off and all the stains and bird shit coming down the walls. And she's like, oh, God, I wish I could run the Hoover. But it's just too late now, isn't it? And Hekate is flying around, and Ernie, we find out that she's got other pets sleeping in his bed. And so she has this tin of biscuits, cookies, you know? So she's opening the tin, and the producer's like, okay, Talk to me about the British biscuit tin. What exactly is that? She's like, well, I live with Ra. I've got to keep them out of the biscuits somehow, don't I?

[Ben Mandelker]

So then her friend Mimi shows up. Mimi's like. And Martha's like, so Mimi's an interior designer and I'm a very good friend of mine. And she comes to help me with the grottage. I am prone to painting everything pink and uncovering it in cherubs and guild. I'm basically a gay Arab man trapped in a white straight woman's body. This is good to have Mimi keep me on the right side of kitsch. I was like, first of all, I also did not expect her, like, her, like, her instinct to be like, pink with cherubs, like, that's shocking to me. I thought she was gonna say, I like to paint it black or something, but she just wants to make this a garish rococo mess. And so they sit down and she's like, I love the crotch. I mean, what I don't love is the wallpaper peeling off and the damp patches. The number of times she just says there's damp patches and you see like full on mold and ceiling falling down. It's just a dump patch. Don't worry.

[Ronnie Caram]

This apartment is basically like three week old cheese. I mean, it is just mold. It is disgusting looking. And she's like, oh, you know, there's a bit of wallpaper coming off. It's not the wallpaper, it's the wall. The wall is coming off of the wall.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, everything's covered in magpie crap. I'm like, you could clean that though, you know, like, that's something you can do. Like, maybe you should do it.

[Ronnie Caram]

I mean, it's dripping down all the walls. And she's like, well, I did find a painter. Mimi says, oh, I'm so looking forward to this renovation and rebirth. You know, sometimes birth is best done through fire.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, darling, you're such an angel to help me. Because I'm just sort of. I feel a bit drowning at the moment. Which I love that I feel a bit drowning. Not that I'm. I don't feel. I don't feel like I'm drowning. I just feel drowning. I feel the sensation of drown. I feel a bit drowning at the moment. It's been a bitter five years.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's been a bitter five years. And she's doing the hard blink and smile. And her hair is perfectly curly, tightened. You know, those tight curls coming down. It's like, no matter what's going on, I will get my curls in. So she tells us her story. She's like, five years ago, I had a really tough breakup. It was really a death of the ego. Get dark. Get dark. Dark moment. Dark moment. And then I was just keeping my head above the waves with all the grief, you know, when a man outside my house started making strangling noises when I was walking my dogs at night. And I. I had to move. I had to move for my mental safety. What? And you had a man making strangling noises at you at night as you went to your house? What the. Are you sure it wasn't just Mark, like, darling, were you. You're poor now.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was like, are you sure you're just not living in Los Angeles? So she.

[Ronnie Caram]

This is crazy, though. I mean, all jokes aside, my God. Schizophrenic man who defense lawyer called a bit odd is cleared of stalking. Model and face of Royal Ascot, Lady Martha Stitwell. Sit.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, so I'm not laughing. I'm not laughing at the situation. This is scary. Like, whenever. Like whenever you hear stories about stalkers, it is really terrifying. I just am laughing at the fact that, like, that's, again, so British, from our American perspective, that the lawyer characterized the stalker as a bit odd.

[Ronnie Caram]

A bit odd.

[Ben Mandelker]

There's someone who's a bit odd outside. I'm afraid we're gonna have to make some sort of injunction about the man who's just slightly odd.

[Ronnie Caram]

The stalker was a bit odd. But in his defense, he did eat his potato chips quietly. Those are plus for him.

[Ben Mandelker]

Turns out it was just Micah wearing a hat.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Choking on the chip that she was trying to be quietly, like, oh, look, it's making. This person's making strangling faces. I must move. It's like, oh, I just need some Heimlich, please. Will any of you British people do Heimlich on me? No, unfortunately. We just laugh.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm sorry. I would, but I'm carb free and you've got chips all over your lip. Just can't do that. So they are looking at this apartment, and it is really run down, and Hekate is. She goes, oh, there's this, like, little net hanging above a door, like a flat basketball net. And she's like, what's that? Because. Did you add that in there? And she goes, no, no, no, that came with it. But, you know. Oh, God, look at that. Hecate has stolen my measuring spoons. That's where those went. Well, I'll just leave Those up there. I'll just leave those up there. At least I know where they are now.

[Ben Mandelker]

The bird took. The bird took the measuring spoons and put it in its little net up above the door.

[Ronnie Caram]

What kind of apartment comes with that net? She's like, oh, no, that was already here. What? What do you mean, that was already here? Where are you living?

[Ben Mandelker]

And. And by the way, it says in that headline that. That Lady Martha Sitwell was the face of the Royal Ascot, which is, you know, they're big. Like one of their big races, I believe. It's just, like, crazy to think the face of this, like, esteemed event that happens in England is like living in this. In this decrepit cottage with, quote, unquote, damp spots. And like a magpie that's stealing measuring spoons above the doorway. So Martha's like my last real home before the garage was very beautiful. Lovely, airy, light flat in South Kensington, also covered with bird. You just could not even imagine. Oh, it's so beautiful. I miss it. Sad.

[Ronnie Caram]

This poor designer. This sad. Talk moment

[Ben Mandelker]

over. Let's come back to life.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm happy now. I'm happy now, though. She's got a lot of work cut out for her because she goes, well, we'll remove that net, right? I mean, we're not going to keep that. She's. No, no, no, no. We should keep that. I love that. What? What are you talking about? And I can't stop obsessing over the net. It looks like a basketball net, but, like, with no hole in it. It's like, do British people just love the pain? It's like, oh, Americans, go ahead, try and throw a bowl in there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Boom.

[Ronnie Caram]

Didn't get a basket.

[Ben Mandelker]

Loser.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

American.

[Ben Mandelker]

It looks like one of those nets they put out like. Like under a Ferris wheel.

[Ronnie Caram]

So that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Or like a roller coaster. That way when your. Falls out of your pockets, it just catches it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Or when someone's doing stunts off a high building and they have, like, a thing to catch you. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

They have to put on at, like, a stadium, you know, they have to put the nets in front of the railings now, because people will lean over to catch a baseball and they'll fall off. So they have to put a net there to catch the people.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So Martha says, well, budget wise, you know, at the moment, I. I can only afford to do the sitting room. I hope that's all right. And by budget, I mean I've got a cracker. I've got a. Would you like a biscuit out of a tin? That's my button.

[Ben Mandelker]

The rats haven't gotten it yet. And Mimi's like, okay, well, two and a half grand. Well, we can do that. When I left my husband, I really wanted to behave honorably in our divorce, but it was difficult to get legal representation, and he had a big re. He had big legal representation. So by the time we got to court, there was apparently no money to be found. So what I got from divorce was my title and not a lot else.

[Ronnie Caram]

Dark moment, but I really want to build my life, because at every turn, I've thrown away my life to go look after these rich men, and they're not looking after me.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, Old Martha would have just picked up, been picked up by another knight in shining armor, but New Martha doesn't want a knight in shining armor. I really want to do this for myself, and it's harder, but I'm working at it. I don't know what caused New Martha, but I'm. I am. I'm rooting for New Martha, but I'm also concerned for New Martha.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And Mimi's like, oh, well, only good will come from here. Trust that. But the look in her face is like, you poor thing. And Martha's like, well, I. I live with the magpie. I deal with enough shit. Don't show her your eyes. Don't show her your eyes.

[Ben Mandelker]

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So miss A Missy goes to a new house and she is meeting up with her therapist and he's like, sir, how are you doing? I've got a man bun. She's like, I'm okay. I am such an anxious person. You know that? Like, I've done three meditations last night and then I was still feeling like anxious. He's like, oh, yes, you've got some real stressful stuff. Being absolutely beautiful. Yes, thank you. I started therapy because I was living in survival mode. My relationship was failing. I have two kids with two different men and I needed to understand why I was always in this black hole.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know, I was always kind of labeled, oh, she's hot. Oh, she's a wag. Oh, she's a hot wag. Oh, she's a wag. That's hot. You know, labels like that. But deep down, I was super insecure because I always had to be like high maintenance image of like, oh, I've got my shit together because I'm a hot wag, you know, so it's very difficult. My first relationship was making me happy, gave me everything. The house, the dream life. But I was bored. And then I met a fun guy and he was the most toxic person I ever met in my life. God, he was hot. He would belittle me. He would say, why do you want to do that? What are you, a wag? Why? Why are you doing that, you stupid wag? Oh, I made wag seem like a bad name. He said, why are you going to that event, Wag? It started draining my soul.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then we see a headline that says, missy be Carey secretly splits from fiance Jake hall after five years following explosive rouse and her brother's murder. But exes are trying to make things normal for her daughter. Wait, so I guess her brother was murdered? I'm sure we'll get into that later this season. So she's like, three years ago, I would never think I would get here. It is someone you loved. But he did put me in a lot of stress because he'd be like, see, it's because the way you dressed, you're making men look at you because of the way you dress. And I was drained by him. Like, my whole soul was sucked out of me.

[Ronnie Caram]

And when you go through toxic relationship, you fall into victim mode, and it's horrible because you don't want it. You're like, I'm hot. I'm a wag. And you normally. And you're like, now, how have I put myself this low? But you can't see a way out. But it affected my current ex because my dad was a little bit like that. And it was almost like I was accepting it because I thought maybe this is how it should be. My God, everything's so dark. I mean, this shows, like, so fun. But then all their backstories are like, oh, geez. And her therapist, whose name is Rue, was like, so what is it and where is it that you actually wanted to get take things? Let's talk about that. She's like, I want to be proud. I want to be authentic. You know, I've always suppressed that, and, you know, it made me insecure. But I'm doing work on myself now. I want to be more secure. And he's like, confidence comes in layers. And the more you upset people because she's saying, you know, I want to have a voice and feel like people aren't going to judge me. So I'm going to tell everybody about gossip that I heard at a dinner. Do you think that that's something I should do? He's like, well, if people get mad, then people get mad because you're just being authentic. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Fun fact. Missy was on Real Housewives of Cheshire starting season three, by the way. So she has some Real Housewives pedigree.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. So, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's very exciting. So now we go to Holland Park. No relationship to Holland Taylor, and Margo is there with her daughter Adela and their nanny Yanira. And Margo's like, You know, it's like I'm a completely different person coming back to London this time. I don't drink anymore. And she basically is like, I got sober because Martha said, well, broke me. And Martha's like. We cut to Martha going, oh, it's, it's not funny, but why am I laughing? So Marco tells us that she was living in LA and she, Martha was, was, Martha was like, why don't you come to Ibiza for a week? So she went there to Ibiza for a week with Martha and her boyfriend. And then, then they went to go grouse shooting in Scotland. And she's like, I was so full of alcohol, I was crying. Straight vodka. And I was on the flight home and I just thought, I can't do this anymore. She literally broke me.

[Ronnie Caram]

I mean, she took me grouse shooting. What the is grouse shooting? Anyway, so Martha comes to the park and she has little gifts for the kids. She's like, oh, this is a little doggy shaped out of bird poo poo. Very, very fun little toy. It's a little net in case you want to put it in your. Oh, there's a measuring spoon. Here's a measuring spoon for you. She's like, it's so bizarre to see Margot as a mother. You know, Margot was literally the life and soul of London for a time. Long, long time. And then like me, you know, she had some, some peaks and some troughs. Dark Martha, hard blink. We're happy again. We're in a park.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm just so happy to see her coming back in her peak. So proud of her. Oh, little Della. Isn't it so fun to be here in the park? You know, this is the first time I've seen your mother when she wasn't absolutely shit faced aiming a gun at our guide instead of a grouse. Those are Eddie days, weren't they, Margo?

[Ronnie Caram]

So how's the house counting going, Margo? She's like, well, the house that I really want, it was an Architectural Digest. Can you imagine? It's really like a vibe, like an architectural vibe at Digest kind of vibe. Like it's totally not in our budget, of course, but we'll make it work, right? 50,000amonth. I mean, that's, that's what I actually have. It's above that.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

How's it, how's it for you?

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, oh, well, I've had the palest shoe source box that I'm living in covered in bird about to be painted. So that's good.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, I Met a sweet guy in the park who said he's a painter and a decorator, so he's gonna come paint it for me. Of course, I had to give him 300 quid in cash yesterday, which felt a bit strange. He was also not really clothed, and he kept on talking to a tree and saying, it is my honor, Mom. So I don't really know what that was about.

[Ronnie Caram]

He also kept making strangling noises as we talked about paint color. Margo's like, well, that's normal. You know, they have to buy your paint, so you need money. Oh, no, no, it wasn't for paint paint. It was for other stuff.

[Ben Mandelker]

Margo's like, okay, well, that feels a bit crazy for me. She's, oh, dear. Margot's like, why is she wiring money to someone before they work? She has serious life experience that told her, you cannot trust strangers. Well, I'm just terribly gullible. I just believe everything everyone tells me all the time. For instance, magpies make a great pet. That was a good one that I fell for.

[Ronnie Caram]

So now it's the day of Dara's party and everyone's getting Ready, and Emma FaceTimes Mark. And he's like, oh, look at you. I love your Croydon facelift. And that means a tightly pulled pony, ponytail, hairstyle, often associated with lower social classes.

[Ben Mandelker]

We needed a. Martha and Missy are in a car and she's like, how are you feeling about tonight? Have you ever advance the painter $300 in the park? Just taking a quick survey. Missy is like, well, I have to say something. You know, I. You know, I called my therapist, to be honest, on the way, and. Oh, really? What did they say? He was like, breathe in, breathe out. You've got this. Like, did you just. Did you call your therapist or did you just go to the Hallmark store and read a card?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, exactly. He said, hang in there. It was a cat. It was a cat hanging off a rope. So we go to Ivy Asia and Dara arrives and she gets the slow motion music. And everyone comes in and says hi and stuff. And Ms. A's or Missy's like, I feel a bit unsettled. You know, I need to say something. I just hope Dara apologizes and, you know, moves on. Because for those of you who don't remember, I was talking to Dara on the phone and she dissed her friend Micah. And my therapist told me, now is the time to be authentic. So I'm going to let it out at this lunge and prove I'm a healed woman. After being a scorned wag.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, because I'm sure it will come up again over the. In the recap. But a key thing is that Micah brought Dara pink walkie talkies as like a cute friendship thing. And then Dara later told Mike Missy that she thought it was cringe and she doesn't like pink walkie talkies. So, you know, which I love that this is like the crux of the a big fight that's gonna cause someone to quit the show. It's like she was also just cringe.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, she was also just shit talking her and saying like, oh, she's so awkward and she's so gross and she's so embarrassing and stuff like that. So Micah is there. Micah the etiquette lady. And she's like, oh, my God, I'm so nervous for Dara because she's seeing all these people that were spreading rumors about her and that are. They're at her dinner party.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Oh, God.

[Ronnie Caram]

So I tried to warn her.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was like, okay, 10 4, 10 4. Over and out for Dara. They're spreading rumors about you. Get ready.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

They're spreading rumors.

[Ben Mandelker]

But she wouldn't answer. It was really unfortunate.

[Ronnie Caram]

Martha is asking Dara's other friends how they know her. And one of the girls is like, how do I know her? Well, I'm a fan. I'm a fan because she has an Instagram and I have an Instagram. And. And so she reached out, was like, oh, I like your Instagram. And then we became friends. And the other lady's like, yeah, we know her from Instagram. And so Martha just. Martha just looks. And one of the other friends goes, oh, yeah. One of the reasons I just love Dara, she just pulls people together, you know, and then she puts people together, you know, especially the ladies. She loves beautiful, intelligent, you know, smart ladies, and then she puts people to have business together. And Martha's like, like, yeah, I'm still not convinced that she's not a madam. I mean, one of these friends is saying she's a connector. The other one she found online, I mean, there's some energy there. Just admit it, you know, listen, I can use some money.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Dara's just talking with Margot. She's like, so you live in la, right? She's like, yeah, I have a place in Malibu and then I'm working here. She's like, oh, amazing. Yeah, I lived here for 20 years. All my old friends are here. All my contacts are here. Yeah, we both know Nicholas. Oh, no way. Yeah, he told Me about you. No way. Yeah, I swear. Because I introduced him to the Milken Institute. Oh, my God. And I got him to speak in la. And I'm, like, always helping you to connect. I just love connecting people. So this is like. It's just basically cocktail party powder. But then Margo's like, this girl has a doctor doctorate in diplomacy. She has blown me away with kindness immediately. With the people that we share in common. I mean. I mean, you would have to have those skills to be a madam. It's like a requisite. This is like, literally just like, hey, we have a mutual friend. Oh, my God. That's so funny. Yeah, Isn't he great? Wow. Listen to that madam go spinning her web.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's true. This one was a stretch. But the first one with the friends was crazy. I was like, wow, could you hire people to make this sound any more suspect? Yeah, you know, she just likes collecting beautiful women and then setting them up with business ventures. Like, what the fuck is that?

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what? I recently got a really good deal on a KitchenAid. And if you guys want, you can check it out. It's on Amazon. It's like, $200 off. Wow. Only a madam knows about KitchenAid deals. Yeah, everything's like a smoking gun to them.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Kimmy and Mark come in next, and you can tell because you just hear, oh, and Martha has on cigarette heel shoes, which are really funny. And Kimmy's like, oh, my God, I'm desperate for a glass of champagne.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Hello.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, you must be Dara. Oh, God, I'm so disappointed in this girl. Oh, God. Get Heidi Fleiss in here. Am I right? Where's a real madam? There's this one. What a terrible. Okay, here's the new gossip. We know madam, and she's tacky and terrible. Give me a classy madam any day.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, this is a madam. More like Madam President, as in TA Leone on a CBS procedural. Boring. Okay, so then. So then, actually, sorry, everyone. That's called Madam Secretary. I totally got my CBS shows wrong, and I apologize to the listeners.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Dara's like, did you mean the Gina. Gina Davis Show?

[Ben Mandelker]

Madam President?

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't know, but she was a president.

[Ben Mandelker]

She was a. I remember that. That was probably called, like, Lady President.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. She's like, guys, I'm Geena Davis, and let me tell you what I stand against terrorism. They're like, oh, my God, she's the

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

best president we've ever had.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Honestly, I would fully vote for Gina Davis to be president at this point.

[Ronnie Caram]

At this point. Oh, my God. Yeah, like you dealt, you dealt with Luc Besson. I'll trust you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I'm, I'm down, I'm down with that. I don't remember the name of her show, but I do remember that it was, it was her being a president somewhere. But anyway, so they're all like chatting around and everything. And they're, they're settling in and Dara's like, you're sitting here, you're sitting there, whatever. And Missy gets to sit right next to Dara. So Missy's like, oh, great. She's like, really upset about it. So Dara, like, okay, everyone, I just want to say thank you all for coming. I wanted to bring us together because you know what they say, time is money. Time is money. Right? You, if you're out that, you know, when you're out there in these streets, you know, you're, you're earning your money. Am I right, everyone?

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Well, anyway, I just wanted to say thank you for coming. Yeah, we're all entrepreneurs and we've all made some from nothing. You know, we've all come from the bottom and then turned ourselves into something that deserves dinner tonight. And I just want you all to remember that.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Mark and Mark and Margot are just laughing and giving each other looks. And Margot goes, who is she talking to? I mean, has she looked around the table? These are not self made people. And then it cuts to Mark and it says at the bottom, russian mother, Russian princess father, Italian businessman. Lottie, daughter of a tech investor. Kimmy, father was a shipping entrepreneur. Martha, father was a famous entrepreneur. And then it cuts back to Dara

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

and she's like, yeah, we all have something that we can share with each other to help each other because we're all self made. You know, we're all here to help each other.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Kimmy and Mark are just cracking up. And Mark's shaking his head no. And he goes, oh, well, congratulations to me for being a self made woman. My gosh, isn't that formidable. I never knew.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kimmy's like, I don't really know what Dara's talking about. She says everyone has an entrepreneurial spirit. My entrepreneur is zero. And this is where we have a huge departure from the Real Housewives at American cast. Because on the Real Housewives you have all these people who have like, you know, immense privilege and they're like, I'm self made. I did this all myself. Like, I'm, this is, I'm basically, it's like Bethany, when she was like, I'm Homeless. I'm homeless right now. I'm living on the streets, you know. And these people are like, oh, no, we don't work. We never have worked. We don't want to work.

[Ronnie Caram]

Disgusting. Self made. Only trash makes itself.

[Ben Mandelker]

We're privileged and we have no idea what the real world is like. And we love it that way.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And the waitress comes and Mark is like, oh, thank God. A self made woman.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Margot's asking where Emma was. She's like, oh, I was in Kensington Palace. And she's like, oh, that's nice. What were you doing there? It's like, fragrance launch. She's like, oh, your fragrance. No, we're not. We're not a. We're not entrepreneurs like that. It was someone else's. Some. Some poor person's fragrance. They were trying.

[Ronnie Caram]

I was attending as a guest, darling. I wasn't making a fragrance. Although I did buy about 19 gallons of it because I do live in a literal zoo.

[Ben Mandelker]

He was some captain on some boat with some sort of sandalwood fragrance. I don't know. The poet laureate was there, the whole thing. But I made excuses to come here.

[Ronnie Caram]

Everyone.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's right. I left an event with the poet laureate so we could come here and accuse someone of being a madam.

[Ronnie Caram]

So soon.

[Ben Mandelker]

When did we start that, by the way?

[Ronnie Caram]

So Dara doesn't have a drink. And so Kimmy grabs her glass and dumps some of her drink into it. She's like, you have to have a drink so you can toast. You can't toast without a drink. I mean, what kind of alcoholic. Oh, you, you.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's Kimmy's favorite move. Is there support wine from one glass to another. So Missy. Missy tells us. The old Missy would have definitely just kept her mouth shut, but I've closed a chapter. Cuz you guess what I did? I breathed in. I breathed out, just like therapy told me. And now I breathed out Old Missy breathed in New Missy. Because that chapter was full of lies, of cheat. And in my life, I made promise to move forward. I don't want to do that. I like, don't stand there and celebrate women, Dara. And then totally trash women behind closed doors. That is not cool. Here comes new Missy ba boom.

[Ronnie Caram]

So we've just had this like, welcome everybody, glad we can all be lady friends lifting each other up speech. The Missy comes in after like a moment of quiet and she goes, hmm, well, I'm so grateful to be here. Thank you for inviting me.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

I do feel that you put me

[Ronnie Caram]

in a really shitty position though. Because. Because, like when we were talking about your friend Micah and you said, oh, she's a bit cringe. You remember that? Yeah. She said she's embarrassing. She's kind of low class, she's tacky and she's faking her lifestyle and everybody just looks super uncomfortable. And Micah's like, oh, God.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Silently eating a chip.

[Ronnie Caram]

Silently eating a chip.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, you said she's showing up with walkie talkies. Well, I wouldn't want my friend talking about me like that.

[Ben Mandelker]

That and Dara just like takes a moment and then she sort of was like, micah's my sister. I absolutely loved the walkie talkies. The sound they made as I threw them in the trash was so beautiful.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

There's no way I wouldn't have a walkie talkie with my best friend. I think it's great. And I don't think this conversations necessary, necessary. And Micah, I love you. You know I do.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, I'm what established famed architect who's a professional working woman, wouldn't love

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

some pink walkie talkies to chat with

[Ben Mandelker]

her bestie about in the middle of the workday when she has meetings and obligations. I love it.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Mark is rolling his eyes openly and they're all staring at Micah because this is the first fight of this of the show, you know, so they're like, oh, Micah's the nicest one, is the one forced into it. How's she gonna deal with it? And Martha's like, oh, my God, I felt like my ass cracker started sweating. I'm just so uncomfortable.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Okay, well, let's just have some really nice food.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, let's move on. I mean, I guess what can I do if she's not going to admit it?

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Yeah, we're gonna have some nice food.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Missy and Lottie go to the bathroom together. And Lottie's like, well, that was stressful. I know. That was crazy. No, just being around all those Americans. Oh, oh, what were you gonna say was stressful? Well, like, what the fuck is she doing? Why is she saying that? She said like on it like, that she's making me look crazy now. She's like, oh, babe. I know, I know. So I wasn't really listening, to be honest. I was just making sure that my outfit looked good. But say whatever you're going to say.

[Ronnie Caram]

They lost me at self made. Well, Dara's making me look like I'm trying to ruin a friendship and I'm lying. Oh, she's crazy. She's crazy. Woman. Woman. Well, does Micah know About this. Well, she's looking at me like she senses something. Like she's anxious. Oh, she's been controlled by her. She's been controlled. Surely. Surely she's being controlled. So back at the table, Margot's like, are you okay, Micah, darling? She's like, well, I. I. And we just still hear Missy. And she's like, how can you be so scared as not to have a voice?

[Ben Mandelker]

Micah tells us, I've never been more embarrassed in my life. I'm like, you don't just made a video about blowing a potato chip, but that's fine.

[Ronnie Caram]

I was going to say, you used to eat potato chips without your lips around it.

[Ben Mandelker]

You used to make.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, pretty embarrassing.

[Ben Mandelker]

You used to just eat those Doritos and let the crunches peel through the audience. So she goes, I'm not sure. I'm not sure if I need to cry or just go into a fetal position. I'm like, you can do both, by the way. I just want to let you know. She goes, I do believe Missy and the word cringe is one that Dara uses regularly, and it's an American word. And I'm just. I just don't understand. I love that she was like, yeah, Dara says cringe so much. Like, she says cringe all the time. Like, she's like. Says things like, you are so cringe. Or, can you please not give me those walkie talkies in public? It's so cringe. Or, wow, this is my cringe friend, Micah. So I'm pretty sure that. That those words did come out of her mouth. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So she gets up and excuses herself from the table, and now Emma jumps in. She's like, what is going on? Can somebody please, please explain? I just got in here. I just met the poet laureate. So can we just explain it? Kimmy's like, well, Emma walks into the. I heard you're. I heard you're a cup. Fitness. What a way to walk in. Am I right, guys?

[Ben Mandelker]

Just came here to watch. So Micah goes up to Dara, and she's like, hey. And she's like, hey, when you're done with this course, can we step out? I love that her etiquette extends to even when she's trying to have a confrontation. Like. Like, I want to have a confrontation with you, but I want you to be able to finish your.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, May I have a confrontation?

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

No, babe, no. I love you, and we need to talk. Just not right now.

[Ronnie Caram]

She goes, just not now. No. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I loved it. It was like, no, no. Just like no, we're not. We're not gonna talk. Which.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I'm gonna.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. I was gonna say, I feel like in terms of etiquette, that was actually very polite of her to be like, we can have a talk, but just not right now. Now is not the time or place, which feels like that's etiquette right there.

[Ronnie Caram]

But Micah's not. Micah's like, I'm in absolute disbelief. I mean, we've known each other for 24 years, and I protected her, and this is what I get. I mean, I don't even recognize my best friend. So Dara goes into the kitchen.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

She's like, I need to check on the food.

[Ronnie Caram]

And now everybody's asking if Missy's okay, which is hilarious. And they're like, oh, come sit in the naughty corner with us, Missy. You just got a better seat at this table. You just earned your spot at the bad girls club. Congratulations. So she goes over there. And meanwhile, in the kitchen. I want to get to the kitchen so bad, but it's not yet. So Lottie is talking to Micah. And Lottie's in the kitchen.

[Ben Mandelker]

In the kitchen.

[Ronnie Caram]

She goes, dara didn't want to talk to you. I mean, she's not going to you. I'm really disappointed for Micah that her so called best friend of 20 years doesn't give her that time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just kidding. I don't really care. It's two Americans having a fight. Like, who cares? So then Missy's like, I just feel like I got really brave. And like, that was my moment. I'm like, okay, Missy, you need to relax now. It's like, nice. You. You had it. But she's like going on and on and on about this, and she's like, ah, that was my moment. I was so brave in that moment. Wasn't I? So brave. Oh, yes. I think we should focus on what matters looks. Not that we're ever superficial. He literally says that. He's literally like, I don't want to talk about your journey. Let's just talk about how hot you are.

[Ronnie Caram]

But I came with the confidence to have a scene on tv and they stole it from me. He's like, oh, please, you're a model. Let's just discuss looking good.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right.

[Ronnie Caram]

Not that we're superficial. No, no, not at all. Oh, you do look amazing though, darling. And that is half the battle. Am I right? Sensational. I knew something was gonna come up because there's no way that everybody I've spoken to thinks she's an awful person. And she's just this nice. So then we see where Dara really went. So she's in the hallway confronting production, and she's like, oh, yeah, I don't

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

think I mean for this, babe. Like, I'm not mean for it. This is just not me. Like, I love Micah, but she just doesn't, like, have my experience of being

[Ronnie Caram]

thrown under a bus.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

I mean, I did say those things because I had just filmed, and she's just, like, too stupid to get it because she's not famous.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. She's like, this is, like, hilarious. I'm not cut out. I like how she simultaneously says, I'm just not cut out for this because, you know, Micah just doesn't have the experience of being thrown under the bus. Like, you're the one who got thrown under the bus and are quitting. And you're. You're saying, poor Micah. She just doesn't know how to handle. Handle these things. You're the one quitting. Why did you quit, Tara? I needed you to stay on the show, and you were the one who

[Ronnie Caram]

threw her under the bus. She's so funny. She's like, oh, my God.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

She's just upset because she's not famous enough to get it. And I just.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm sorry, but I can't shoot with people like that.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I did say those things, but only because I just filmed. So then Mark is like, all I can sit back at the table. All I can say is, you never do this. Someone who has walkie talkies because it means their boat is big. I mean, right? That means that their home is huge, if decidedly sizable. Ask Emma. Everyone in the house has walkie talkies. Even the rhinoceros is like, put me, put mud on me now. Am I right?

[Ronnie Caram]

So Missy's like, what color are your walkie talkies? And she was black. And Mark goes.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Kim's like, well, just your basic, basic black walkie talkie.

[Ronnie Caram]

I wish they were pink. He's like, how big is your walkie talkie? Okay, so now Moira, Dara's friend, is like, hey, guys, I'm sorry to interrupt.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, by the way, another person whose name starts with M. I mean, for us, as recappers. Like, everyone starts with an. It's like Margot, Missy, Moira. I don't know. There was like, another M word in there. But, like, it's like my mind is, like, exploding with all the M words.

[Ronnie Caram]

So she's like, guys, I'm sorry to interrupt. Maybe should we call for Dara to get back to the room to tell the story and misses like, but I told it. I just told it. Oh, no. Well, I don't know the background story. Well, maybe you should listen then, because I just had the courage to tell it, and I'm a whack.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm brave. Brave wag. So Moira's like, the only people who are not here right now is Dara, which apparently the conversation is about her. See? Oh, now Dara's here. She came back in the room, and now you can continue. That's all I'm asking you. And so Missy is like, but who are you to tell me what I can and cannot do? I'm like, wait. I actually think that. I think Moira, as a friend of Dara, I think it was within her right to be like, can you not talk about our host while she's out of the room? And Missy's like, who are you to tell me what not to do? So Moira's like, because I'm.

[Ronnie Caram]

But they weren't really. They were just talking about walkie talkies.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but they. But they were.

[Ronnie Caram]

They weren't dissing. They weren't dissing Dara. They didn't even say anything about Dara. They were just like, missy, are you okay? And then they started talking about walkie talkies, and she's like, how dare you talk about walkie talk talkies. My friend isn't here to stand up for herself.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was a strange moment for Moira to pipe in, but I do think she was ultimately being like. She could sense it was ultimately the walkie talkie was still sort of in service of kind of ridiculing Dara. And so. So now Moira's like, I'm her friend. I'm her friend who just met her because I follow her on Instagram. He's like, yeah. And I'm who I am. I have my voice. I am brave. My therapist said, hang in there. So I am hanging in there right now. You cannot chop off this branch.

[Ronnie Caram]

Strangers are just people you haven't met yet.

[Ben Mandelker]

I looked under the sun, and there's only one set of footprints.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I just met you. Well, you know what if someone is lying in my face? Well, if you're speaking about the person that's not in the room behind our back. Oh, you know what? Tell the truth then. Tell the truth. Missy is ready to just fight, and she's gonna have it with this friend. She doesn't even care. So, Darren, Dara comes back and she sits down. She's still got this big smile on her Face. So Missy's like, what was it or was it not said? Let her be in the room. Just let her be in the room. Without asking her was it said or not said?

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Everyone, I did not say those things.

[Ronnie Caram]

And it goes, this is Dara five seconds ago.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

I did say those things.

[Ben Mandelker]

Get direct contradiction. So Missy is like, is this what you're saying? I'm lying. I'm the liar? And Dara's like, like I'm saying that.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

I'm not calling anyone a liar. I'm not saying anyone's a liar.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Missy's like, well, it's black or white. It's not great. She's. I just want to have.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

I just.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, okay. I just want to have a really.

[Ronnie Caram]

We should do the lie detector test. Lie detector test.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Kimmy's like, what d's a two faced be? I mean, she seems like she's one of these social climbing women that'll step on anyone to be something that she's not. I love Mark. Well, I think it would be very flattering to call Dara a social climber because it suggests that she would have something, some climbing ability, which I don't

[Ronnie Caram]

believe that she has. Well, obviously there's something's been said or she wouldn't be so adamant on it. Am I right?

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

But I didn't say those things.

[Ronnie Caram]

Do you know, Listen, I think a friendship. In a friendship, it's normal to have differences. So I think celebrating differences, probably what tonight should be about. Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here's a difference. You're American and stupid and I'm British and fabulous. There.

[Ronnie Caram]

I know neighborhoods in Tuscany. You don't. And that's fine.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

I like that.

[Ronnie Caram]

And other people. Well, we should be honest. No words. The speech about honesty. Indeed. Precisely. But she called me a liar. Well, that's exactly what I'm getting at. I think I forgot I had one good speech in me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ladies. Okay, may I interrupt? Should we be honest? Here we go. I heard a rumor, Dara, that you are madam. And I thought it was an awesome rumor. I was like, martha, what?

[Ronnie Caram]

Mark just starts laughing into his drink.

[Ben Mandelker]

Dara goes. Dara's like, I'm an architect. Well, I spread it. And I'm sorry, but you have to admit, it's a great rumor.

[Ronnie Caram]

I heard it and I spread it. What a wonderful rumor. Am I right? But I am sorry for that. Kimmy's like, I love Martha. I mean, the thing about Martha, she's just always too nice. Always too nice. She just read a rumor about someone being a madam Mark's like, well, also, I think that having a sense of humor is absolutely fundamental to one's existence.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, as I told you, I'm an architect. I run two businesses. Let's just have an amazing dinner and just move on, please. And Missy's like, she is not honest. She's not honest, but the truth is obvious. You can't do that. By the way, this is where you actually can tell that Missy was a real housewife in a previous life. Because she, like everyone else, is just, like, cackling and having a great time just getting drunk. And she's like, but I brave. I had a brave moment. This was my moment. You cannot do that. He's like, oh, it doesn't matter, because it's obvious. Everyone. And Missy's like, really? Okay. She doesn't feel like I'm being made to look crazy. I mean, I don't.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

I don't care about that.

[Ben Mandelker]

But, like, I, I, I. I just. You know, it's like I'm. I'm just being authentic. I'm a brave person.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's okay. It's okay. This is London. You're not supposed to be authentic anyway. And Margo's like, I want to be privy to what Micah thinks and feels. What does Micah think? Absolutely. I must. I mean, the only person who hasn't spoken yet is poor. Literally. Dear Micah, Which I think is absolutely unfair. Micah, take the floor. And she's like, well, I'm not usually so quiet, but, you know, I'm hurt and I'm stunned, and it's my best friend, and then to hear that I'm just. I'm a loyal friend, and it's hard for me. 10 4, good buddy. 10 4. See? No answer. So I think that Dara and I need to talk on the side. And I always believe in very clear communication, battery operated though it may be. And I'm very upfront, and my whole thing is if you can't say it to that person, you shouldn't say it about them. Please don't use your salad fork for dessert.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was a beautiful speech. It was so lovely that I got you this complimentary cowboy hat so you could be a little bit more American.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I feel like she's really upset.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Well, of course she's upset, you guys. Okay, you know what?

[Ben Mandelker]

Cut.

[Ronnie Caram]

Cut. Cut.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sarah, say cut.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, God.

[Ben Mandelker]

Cut. That's right.

[Ronnie Caram]

On day one, they look around like we're not being filmed. What are you talking about? What does that mean? Cut, Cut. Cut.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Yeah, I think that, like, I need to probably Step out of this.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think being on this TV show, I'm really starting to disappoint everybody. But I just don't think this is for me, you know?

[Ronnie Caram]

So what TV show? There's no TV show. What kind of crazy world is this woman living? Him.

[Ben Mandelker]

Emma's like, you can't just leave when you're not getting your own way. That's like what children do on a bad day. Just leave. Just leave. There's no need to cut anything. You've already been cut.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Well, this isn't for me, guys.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, she may as well be gone.

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Well, I'm kind of done with dinner, so I think I'm just gonna leave now. I didn't really feel like there's anything more to discuss. Bye.

[Ronnie Caram]

And it says Dara decided. Decided to leave the friend group.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love that they still call it the friend group. She quit the show. Look how brave I was while she quit the show. So Micah is like, I have cried more times about Dara than I've ever cried about anything in my life. Have you ever found yourself crying into a CB radio? It's a very lonely feeling. I feel like I lost a family member. I lost a friend. I lost trust. My friendship with Dara is never going to be what it was.

[Ronnie Caram]

John. John. Funny show. You know, there's a lot of conversation on if it's problematic that they were calling her a madam because of her Asian heritage and stuff. I don't. Is that a stereotype?

[Ben Mandelker]

I think that. That. That I have to say, it pinged on my radar when. When it happened, I was like, oh, feels weird that, like, the only,

[Ronnie Caram]

like,

[Ben Mandelker]

Asian American lady on the cast that they're gonna go there for, but I wasn't. I'm not. I'm not as up on. I wasn't sure if it was a microaggression or not, and. But it definitely pinged me a little bit, and I wasn't sure if it was a thing. But, yeah, I definitely have to look into that and read more about that. For sure.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. I mean, certainly not great, but I have to say, I really like Dara. I thought she was perfect for this show. I mean, her whole, like, the way that she would just smile through the whole thing. She was giving me a little bit Stacy from Potomac. Just how she didn't even care. She would just smile. You know, it's like they criticize her,

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

and she's like, oh, yeah, well, they say I'm a madam. They're not famous enough to understand gossip. So I got it.

[Ronnie Caram]

And just her whole vibe of, like, talking shit behind somebody's back and then being called out on it and being,

[Additional Female Speaker (possibly a guest or co-host)]

like, didn't say it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So I think she was so funny, and I wish she hadn't questioned because I think she took that attitude and just said, like, listen, you guys, this is. I'm a businesswoman and I have a family, and you coming at me calling me a madam is really low. Like, that's disgusting, you know, or whatever. Whatever she needed to say. But, yeah, I think that the show's, you know, less. You know, it's missing something without having her. And it's only been on two episodes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I actually really liked her, and I just thought that she was a badass, that she was an architect. I thought that was super cool. Like, she's this accomplished architect in this group, and I would have liked her to have pushed back and been like, you know what? Like, I'm not a madam. And this. I. I've actually worked really hard to become an architect, and this is a really big deal. And, you know, you're diminishing me. And, you know, like, there is, like, sort of. It does feel a bit like a microaggression. Although I don't know if. I don't know if this circle cares about microaggressions. They'd be like, oh, darling, whatever things a skin. But, I mean, that's a microaggression.

[Ronnie Caram]

You can't see it without a microscope, and we don't have those.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, yeah, I feel like. I feel like being like, guys, this is a microaggression would just literally just fall on deaf ears with them or drunk years with them. But, yeah, I have to agree. I actually liked Dara, and if she was going to become a villain in the show, then great. But you know what? The show has so many characters. I'm sure we will be fine moving forward without her, but it is a little sad. Maybe she'll come back for another season if this. If this goes well. Well, probably not if you quit in the middle of production. I don't think Bravo likes that.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, well, great show. Love it. All right, everybody, thanks. The show is on Thursday nights after Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, so watch it. We will be covering it and we'll talk to you next time.

[Ben Mandelker]

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