B (2:07)

It's going fabulously. Today we're talking marriage medicine. Before we get into that, only a few days left to watch the replay of the golden crappies, and then it's gone forever. Go check that out by going to watch what crappens.com. there's a link there with Kiswee and you can check it out there. Watch it. Watch it with your friends. Have a viewing party. Have fun with it. Thanks to everyone who has watched it. And, you know, I'm definitely still riding the high. It's been over a week and I'm still kind of like floating because I had, you know, I just had such a fun time at our show and it was Amazing. And I, again, I'm just, like, thanking everyone who showed up both in the audience and on stage with us. But anyway, also be sure to join our patreon, which is patreon.com watch what crappens, because we have weekly bonus episodes on it. And also what is ad free on it? We have our video. You can watch us with Crappings on Demand. Plus, we have a newsletter. A new edition has just come out. New edition, Hashtag Bobby Brown. It just came out. And that's actually free for everyone. You don't even have to be a Patreon member, but if you are a Patreon member, you just have so much more that you get to engage with. So do what you want with that. But that is all the news that is fit for print. And today we are talking Married to Medicine. We did not cover it last week for two reasons. One was because we wanted to have, like, a moment to breathe after the crappies. And two, quite frankly, this couple's trip has been deadly for the show, and nothing has been happening. And we thought, you know what? We could probably get away with not recapping it last week because it's been rough. And it's been so rough that I went onto Twitter over the weekend, and marriage medicine was trending for. For hitting a rough patch right now. I personally think it's been a good season, but this couple's trip, I think it's time to retire the couple's trip on this show. It's like, it's. It's like it's not even a couple strip anymore. It's just. I mean, it is a couple strip, but, like, there's no. Like, it's just. I don't know. Nothing happens on these couple strips. It drives me nuts. I hate to be so negative at the top of it on a season that I've been positive on, but it's been rough going. What about you, Ronnie? What do you think?

A (4:22)

Well, I enjoy Married to Medicine for the most part, always. You know, I've seen every episode of this show, and so I always really like it. I think this. This season is just rougher because it's so many new people and they're younger, and so they're not connected to the group really in any way. And so it's rough. Like Brandy, you know, Brandy's like, what are these people even talking about? You've got that. Then you've got angel who's dating some guy who's not even indoor. Nobody really cares about that. And then you've Got, you know, Mimi's kind of coming through a little bit towards the end. She's finally getting something going on. As far as, you know, an argument with Toya next week in the season finale. But it's taken a long time. And then, you know, then you've got the other ladies. I think where it really falls down in the couple's trips is that it's the husbands. Like, I don't watch the show for the husbands. I know it's called Married to Medicine and it's about couples. So, you know, obviously I get that. But Eugene whining, I mean, this two episodes has been Eugene being a drama queen. Curtis making shitty comments like, I don't know, care about the guys, I care about the women. So I don't want to hear from these old fashioned loser men who are, you know, one of them's fighting his wife, battles Eugene. And also he's on the wrong side of the history. History. Because his wife is Toya. You can't go tell everybody to have their wives be nicer. First of all, we don't control our wives, sir. Like, what kind of world do you live in being like, get control of your woman? Which is really gross. And then you've got Curtis spouting off about the Bible when he cheated with someone 30 years his junior and is now Bible bleeding on the show. Like, I don't want to hear from the men. So I don't know, keep it about the women. Because when it's the women getting messy at a Scrubs fashion show or getting messy about med charity, I think that's great. But this stuff. Get out of here, Eugene. Yeah, go back to your two green eggs.

B (6:04)

I know. And I think that, like the couple's trip, they like the show sort of grounds to halt because they're like, oh, now we have to have a moment where we play a game. And now we have to discuss this and like, like, we're gonna have like a weird game show. And it's like, it feels like we're not having organic interactions. Suddenly we're like in a very produced moment that happens the entire trip. And so we don't. The show doesn't need that, that you have such good characters and like, such raw talent on the show. I actually think all the newbies are great. I love Dr. Mimi, I really do. But, like, we don't need to. Like you said, there's too much, too much husbands, too much sitting and listening to, like, questions of like, so does your husband like potato chips? You know, it's like, like, why are you doing this to us? You know, last year, obviously, a couple strip was, you know, was kind of was more exciting.

A (6:56)

Well, that was lit fight last year was crazy.

B (6:58)

But they had option.

A (7:00)

I mean, they had to really go throw each other under the bus for that one because it's like Heavenly inviting Phaedra's ex husband there with his new wife, and then you got all this crazy shit going on. But when it's just them, when it's just the forecast, they're all respectful of each other's marriages now because they've almost ruined each other's marriages multiple times. And so now they've got some kind of pact where we're not going to talk. You know, we're going to let contestants. Scott just pretend they're the happiest couple in the world now. And we're going to have Heavenly and Damon pretend they have a perfect marriage. They don't. They're not going to talk about their kid, which I don't blame them. But if it is couples therapy, then you would be talk. You know, Simone, who doesn't want to throw the couple's trip because things have been so bad with her husband, nothing's. They're not going to talk about there. So if you guys aren't going to do it, like, you're going to still have these couples trips and couples therapy, but you're not going to really do it, then don't waste our time with it, you know?

B (7:51)

Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's just. It's just a. I just. I feel like it's just like not moving the story forward. Like, there's some seasons where it's like, oh, there's like a lot of, like, real, like, couple stuff you have to get into, but it's just sort of like no one really. I don't feel like anyone really needs this. Yeah. Toya and Eugene have been a little chippy. Simone and Cecil have some issues, but, like, the thrust of the season has been other stuff and then to sort of grind it to a halt and be like, now, let's see how the couples are doing. It's just. I don't know.

A (8:21)

But even if you're gonna make us do couples therapy, then we need to talk about what you've shown on the show. I mean, couples therapy. Okay. King, you know, Simone goes up to King at one point and says, you're a chauvinist, so don't be a chauvinist or whatever. Do that in couples therapy quad. You're dating a guy, you're trying to have a baby at 50 with a guy we think is a chauvinist pig. There's one. Or Toya and Eugene, you're pretending to be the perfect couple. But Toya, we saw you be writing your husband publicly. And Eugene, you were screaming at your, your wife at a party. What was that? You know, ask those questions. That would get it going, you know.

B (8:55)

Yeah. And it's like. And like if you're going to do like a couple strip with therapy, like make it like real therapy or like a try it at like a TV therapy, but it's always kind of like silly games. And then you had a guy this episode who was like, he's doing a team building exercises, like, okay, all right. 30 year over there, a 30 year relationship. What have you. What do you know about this? I was like, what? This is so. It just was so, like, it was so uninteresting. It was like so on. Like, if you're going to, if you're going to get to the root of issues, then do it for real. But then don't do some weird, like, gamey thing and, and just be like light and nothing. Like, let's try to do something. So that's why it's like, I think people are really pushing back about this because it was a whole thing over the weekend. And then Cecil chimed in and because now people are saying like, oh my God, this season's been so bad. And Cecil's like, well, he goes real talk. Well, what, what would you guys all want? Would you guys want us all arguing the entire time or, like trying to show like real growth or whatever? It's like, you don't have to argue the whole time. But what we want are like real, like real interactions and real connection and sort of like real storylines. And the couple trip is just where all that stuff goes to die. So I just hope that going forward. I'm not saying the show needs a reboot at all because again, I've enjoyed the season, but I think I would love it if we started to move away from the couple's trip being the climactic thing of every season.

A (10:16)

Yeah, they're just going to avoid everything, you know, And Cecil, we're not. We don't want. You know what I mean? Like, you're a fun ancillary character, but it's not about you. It's about the women. So be quiet. All the men, be quiet over there. I don't need to hear any of y'. All. It's time for a commercial. It's Time for a crappin's commercial.

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A (13:30)

Now we're. We're still in Jamaica. They're doing that. They're arguing about, okay, the men are on the beach. The women are on rafts. The men are arguing because Eugene is mad that people are mean to Toya because Toya is trying to be in charge of this Med Ball gala. Toya has never wanted to pay for the med Ball gala and hasn't. And now that she's in charge, she wants everyone else to pay. And I think that's unfair. I think Toya, if she wants people to pay, then she should say, okay, well, last year I was supposed to give $3,000. I didn't give it. So I'm going to give 3,000 dol. Thousand dollars extra and discount the. The people who did pay last time or something, make some kind of amends. But she's not. Eugene didn't pay it either. And of course he's not bringing that shit up in his fight. He's just mad that Heavenly keeps spouting off to Toya. Well, Toya is always spouting off to Heavenly too, so he. He can't really win one there. But he's trying to have a fight with Damon about it because he feels he went up when Otoya and Heavenly were fighting. The men were separated, and he came into the fight and was like, I will not have my wife spoken to like this. You just spoke to her like this a few weeks ago, you hypocrite.

B (14:36)

He's all upset. So last episode, the main thing was that they. They had like a dinner, which was fine, and then they started talking about the med ball. They're like, real quickly, let's talk about the med ball. And basically people were getting mad at Toya and her leadership. A cat jumped up on the table, by the way, which I enjoyed, but also kind of gross because it's their dinner. But. And so they were kind of like, you know, Heavenly was going at Toyah. And so Eugene came over and he was like, you got to leave, Toya. Like, don't. Don't engage with this blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So now he's mad because he heard that someone said, we want Toya to be in charge to see it fail. And I'm like, I don't think anyone wants this, this endeavor to fail because they all have skin in the game. It's like their thing. It's important to them. They are doctors. I think it's more like they want Toya to be in charge so she can see how easy it is to fail because it's really hard to do. And. But he's heard it, I think, in

A (15:27)

some other way and he wants her to. They want her to understand when you're in charge and nobody's cooperating with you or giving you the money that you need to get it going, that it sucks.

B (15:36)

Yeah, yeah. And she should see that, honestly. I mean, I'm sure Heavenly probably said, like, I want to see her, I want to see Toya fail at it. Because, you know, Heavenly is a survey like that. But like, I think the core of it is Toya just thinks like, oh, I'm gonna give some wine and that's good enough. And actually when you're putting together like a big, you know, party, a gala, even if it is like a made for TV gala, there's like a lot of moving parts and it's like really frustrating when someone who is like a big part of it is only gonna throw in like a case of wine.

A (16:06)

Yeah. So Damon's like, well, the bottom line is this. Either we're all gonna do the event and pitch in and help, or we're not. So that's it. And so Damon's like, yeah, this is like a few days away. Right. Why are we talking about this? Like, we need to fund this party. The party is in like three days. So Eugene is saying, well, my wife's put so much hard it and it's charity and it started in a nice formal way. And King's like, well, why are we talking about what the women are bickering about? Like, shouldn't the women handle it and we could have some fun? I mean, let them do it.

B (16:41)

Wow. I can't believe Simone accused him of being chauvinist later. So Curtis is like, well, my wife and I had a conversation and I told her that I'd ask the guys if we would contribute to the cause, cuz Eugene said he would and I am as well. We're all going to contribute. And Scott's like, we're going to contribute. And Car's like, we're going to contribute. And then King's like. And then Steve was like, guys, guys, guys, all right, I'm just going to say it. I'm out. I'm not doing it. I already have a scholarship that goes to the Morehouse School of Medicine. We're not doing it. And honestly, like, I really was. I really appreciated Steve saying this. And it's funny because we're both like, making fun of Toya for only contributing some wine. And then Steve is like, I'm out. I'm not going to tribute anything. I'm like, good for him. But I think in, in my mind, the difference is that Toya thinks she's actually doing something. She's actually contributing as much as everyone else. And Steve is like, basically, you guys did this whole thing. You never even asked for my wife's input. And by the way, I think some of it too is like, you also did this whole, like couples therapy thing and didn't have my wife run it. And she's a psychiatrist. And then you just want her just to pay money for something that she has, like no say in. And she's just like, she has to do it because she's like a newbie. And by the way, she's not even a newbie. This is her second year. So it's like, no, it's disrespectful. We're not going to pay.

A (17:54)

Yeah, you don't include her. And then you want her to pay for it. So he's like, no. And she won't say anything, but I'm offended. So no, we're not.

B (18:00)

I like that.

A (18:01)

And so they're like, okay, well, fine. So. So they're like, okay is Damon. And he's like, I've already been in. And Curtis is in. And so they're moving on. So Eugene's fine now. So now we see the ladies on the rafts and Toy is like, oh, we're gonna get a limestone massage. You ready, baby? Are you ready? Are you ready? Well, I don't want to do it, but Contessa can it. And so Contesta's like, jackie's never been touched. She's a 60 year old virgin.

B (18:31)

Well, so, yeah, since you know what does before. And heaven's like, she's getting her foot massage. This little, this little piggy went to the market. This little piggy stayed home. This little perk piggy said, you better pay something for the Galator. So

A (18:46)

meanwhile, some pretty ladies come up to the ladies on or to the men on the beach, like, would you like some sexy massages, boys?

B (18:53)

Like, whoa, don't tell my what.

A (18:56)

And Scott's like, Curtis, you better stick with the knee down. Knee down only Curtis. And he's like, whoa, Scott's taking his shirt off. And Scott's like, yeah, I'm stressed. I had glaucoma massage my wiener.

B (19:10)

He's. So they're all getting their massages because this is another thing with the. The couple's trip. It's like lab. The guys do something else. And there's women around who are temptation. Like there was that time, remember that woman was like grinding up on Damon. And I was like, there was a lady on Damon, so they've all got a chance. Yeah. So heavenly is like, daddy, you didn't get a massage, did you, daddy?

A (19:33)

You know you didn't get a daddy

B (19:35)

because like, Damon doesn't get massages unless I find the missus for him. So he definitely didn't get a massage. Right, daddy? And then it cuts to him just getting a full on massage.

A (19:43)

So then the other ladies, we go to Contessa and she's talking to angel about what they're gonna do later. And they're gonna have couples therapy, guys. And Toya is gonn and they're asking angel if she's going to participate because Bernard showed up randomly and she's like, I did tell Bernard I was coming on this trip, but he didn't say he was coming. And then I'm here and he surprises me by coming, like, weird. And then he got there and she was like, hey. And he's like, well, I don't even know what we're doing here. And like, you're here on a couple strip. You don't even have me here. She's like, are we here fighting? Because we're like not even dating. Like, what are you, what are you mad about? You're in Jamaica. Lighten up. You're on a free trip to Jamaica through the show. So lighten up, buddy.

B (20:27)

This Bernard thing is just lazy storytelling. I mean, they, this guy was in one scene several weeks ago during one of the more boring episodes of the season when they had like this family reunion. And you know, he's been alluded to. And then they, they bring him on last week as if like, oh my God, Bernard is here. And he's like, hey, guys, got room for one more on the band? It's like, oh, my God, are they going to accept Bernard? I'm like, we don't even know who this person is. Like, why have you not like, seeded the season with more Bernard scenes?

A (20:56)

I know he got on the man. He got on the man bus on Their way to their thing. And people are like, I'm sorry, who are you? And he's like, oh, hey, I'm Bernard. And then he just sits in the back seat, like, kind of upset. Like, his energy is just so weird. Like, what are you doing here?

B (21:14)

Yeah, it's like. It's just a very strange thing. So then Eugene is like, we can't leave Jamaica with what happened last night. People being disrespectful, people feeling like they have to remove themselves from the group because they're. They're. They're getting upset, which was me. Tonight has to go better than last night. It has to. So then quad is like, ladybugs. All the beautiful girls. I want to pose a question. Who here has a perfect relationship? Raise your hand.

A (21:42)

Meanwhile, they're like, I do me and daddy do me. Daddy do Perfect. Perfect all the time.

B (21:48)

Meanwhile, they're, like, on these, like, little raft things in the middle of, like, brown water and, like, getting, like, manicures. And quads, like, I would like to have a moment to talk about our relationships. I was like, can you just get your man, you get your pedicures? Can we, like, talk about the relationships on, like, some loungers on dry land? Thank you.

A (22:05)

So Contessa's like, well, quad, you want to talk about it? So what's the biggest challenge in your relationship? And she's like, hold on.

B (22:11)

I'm going to be so vulnerable right

A (22:13)

now with you ladies. Quad King wants me to be there for him, to cater to him. Well, I don't cook every night anymore. I used to cook a lot, but I got burnt out. Well, why does he get all the wife benefits when you aren't his fucking wife? What is he. If he doesn't want to marry you, he gets Uber Eats?

B (22:35)

I'm not even pressed to be a wife right now. The man has asked me before to marry him. And I thought it was bs. I was out here playing. I was thinking about all the superficial with men that doesn't even matter because we were at his condo. And then it's like, we. He's like, we could just run up to the courthouse right now. And I didn't think it was real. I really wasn't rejecting him. I just wanted to plan more of our lives. But the energy after, he just sort of shut down on me. I'm like, I don't feel like she should be meant to feel bad that she, like, didn't take this one, one golden opportunity that King gave her to go elope when she maybe want. Wants Like a proper wedding. I don't think, like, if she feels bad about that, which I'm not sure she's saying that, but if she does,

A (23:18)

she shouldn't exactly, like, propose and go have a wedding or at least a party. But, like, how special do you make someone feel when you're just like, well, I guess we could just go to the courthouse right now if you want to. I mean, I guess, like, oh, thanks. Great. So. And yeah, she seems to be feeling bad because she's like, that was my chance. And I didn't even know because I was expecting superficial things from a man, you know, like a ring or an engage or. No, it's not superficial. It's how it's done. So she's like, well, I just wanted more structure. And you guys, you get me at

B (23:52)

my most vulnerable here. It is all my vulnerability out on the table.

A (23:58)

I'm so vulnerable. They're like, yes, quad, yes, you're being very vulnerable. Congratulations, quad.

B (24:05)

Hello, this is River Mimi speaking. What do you want out of this relationship? I want a family. I want to be the head of our family. And I want this man. I want his children, and I want him to stop eating out of my takeout containers. Order your own food for once.

A (24:22)

But then why don't you stop talking about a baby and start talking about marriage? She's like, I'm 50 toya. And she's like, I'll talk. I'm talking about what I want. Like, I don't care what you guys want for me. I want the baby, okay? That's what I want. So that's why I'm talking about that. So now it's thundering, and they have to go. So then Cecil and Simone are in their room, and they're talking about the good day. And he's like, wow, we had a great day today, babe. We got some ladies to come over and give us massages. And that's why my legs are shiny. She's like, well, we got massages, too. He's like, well, did they massage your booty?

B (25:02)

I wish they would have massaged my ass, baby. So then they start to arrive. Now it's time for dinner on the beach again. So toys. Like, this is our last. Last night here that. I felt like neon lights was a great theme because what says couples therapy then? Like, blazing, blaring neon lights that say things like exit or get out. Why would you put neon lights as the theme for your couples therapy dinner party? I just don't get it. So she says, we've got A cute little bronzy tan. Yeah. This is great. The men can wear white. So they all show up and they're all, you know, going through the buffet and then they're all, you know, like, Eugene's asking Quad how the rafting went. They're just sort of making small talk about the stuff that they did earlier today.

A (25:49)

Yeah. And Eugene's like, toya, you said your guy's name was Ham hock. She's like, rib eye. Because I knew it was some kind of meat. Have a game. Okay, we need. We need the guys on one side and the girls on another. So give a round of applause for my co host, Toya. It's game time. So they're all going to be asked questions, and then they have to type in names on their phone and hold it up on their heads or whatever to give the answer of the person.

B (26:21)

Classic therapy. I mean, this is what you go to med school for, right? Like, this is the. When you get your license, the first thing you have to do is essentially do the hey, who in this group is most likely to run a red light? And then put the head up yet if you can, if you know how to moderate that game, you're basically a therapist. So Eugene's like, okay. He's like, okay, ladies, who's more likely to give unsolicited advice to the group for the men? So they all put Eugene's name up, and I think he was not expecting that.

A (26:52)

He's like, I didn't give any of you advice. And Troy's like, you are in the middle of everybody's issues. Stop it. So whose issues? Whose disagreements are likely to turn into a full blown fight? And people are like,

B (27:09)

me.

A (27:10)

And Scott just writes, boat. They're like, boat. What does that mean? And then we see a clip of Simone yelling at Scott on a boat.

B (27:19)

And he's like, I'm not gonna say her name. I'm just saying there's that lady who screams on a boat. Who. Who. Who on the lady's side is most likely to call out the wrong label or ex? And everybody writes.

A (27:37)

And then I know eugene's name. Gene. Eugene david.

B (27:41)

And. So then Toya for Jackie.

A (27:50)

I can't believe nobody voted for Curtis. These people really respect Jackie to. Not everybody say Curtis.

B (27:56)

Yeah, seriously, that is 100% correct. Toya's like, thank you, everyone. That was the end of couples therapy, so you can go back with your significant others. And Eugene's like, wait a second. Twists. It's what America has wanted to. This time. We're gonna do some breakout sessions where the guys are gonna stay here and they're gonna talk to a counselor named David. And the women are just gonna go off to the side and just wait for us. It's like, okay, great. Can't wait for this. So kind of weird.

A (28:24)

No. What is this? Men therapy? What is this?

B (28:29)

Men are all scared. They're all scared of therapy, which is hilarious, because this is a show about, like, doctors and. But all the doctors are like, I don't need to bring therapy. Like, you're literally going to different communities and bringing medicine with you, which is wonderful. And yet you're scared to, like, engage in mental health therapy. Mental health, you know, medicine, essentially. So, yeah, so they're gonna have to have therapy, and they're not looking forward to it.

A (28:55)

Yeah. So Contesta's like, scott, you can cry if you need to. Don't forget I threw a vacation. And Eugene is like, you know, the guys are always on. On the side of the couple's trips, and we feel neglected, and we want to talk about how we feel. And Simone's like, oh, boy. So they kick them off to the side, and now it's time for some boy therapy. So this guy comes out and he's like, hey, hey, hey. Welcome to therapy. Yes, Jamaica therapy. Can I get some numbers? How long have we been married? Okay, five minutes. 29 years. Wow, 28 years.

B (29:32)

That's good.

A (29:32)

Can I get a 30? Can I get. Nobody's at a 30. Okay.

B (29:37)

By the way, before the women fully walk off Simone, this is what I was talking about before. Simone leans into King's ear, and she goes, by the way, tap into your side. That's less chauvinistic and more expressive. He's like, wait, wait, hold on. There's nothing chauvinistic about me. She goes, everything about you is chauvinistic. Tap into your less chauvinistic side.

A (29:57)

Yeah. So why aren't you doing that when you're all together? That's what I want. Want to hear this discussion?

B (30:01)

You know, I just love. It was, like, out of nowhere, this little, like, Simone read on the King.

A (30:06)

Yes, I loved that. So they start the therapy thing, and Cecil's like. He goes, oh, so you've been married 28? And Cecil's like, no, no, come on. 29. That last year was hell. We earned that last year. So then we cut back to the ladies, and Heavenly's like, okay, ladies, be honest about your husband. When y' all look at a at night, do you ever think about slapping

B (30:30)

the out of him. Cuz there's not a night that I look at that and be like, knock him clean the out. I'm gonna knock him to clean the. Someone's like, I am scared I will wake him up.

A (30:47)

Oh. She's like, just turn over. Like, you didn't do it. Anybody? Anybody? Okay, my next question.

B (30:53)

Do you all have dreams?

A (30:54)

And they're like, about what? You know, about knowing another man Biblically.

B (31:00)

Toy's like, I do, I do, I do. It's like, oh, you wonder why? Everyone's like, we think that toy will call it someone else's name.

A (31:11)

So they're joking that she has a. She's on onlyfans in her mind. She's like, I've never heard of an only fans, okay? I wanted. I would rather see Jackie on Jackie's toes on onlyfans. I think she'd make more money than me on onlyfans. So they're talking about Jackie's pretty toes. And then contessa tells us, you know, she wants to be on onlyfans because she has a plus size fit. A plus size foot.

B (31:32)

Yeah. She's like, I'm always looking for a way to make a little extra money. I'm like, yeah, because you sunk all your money into that, like, money pit of an office building. She's like, I think 39.95 is not asking too much per month. That's a lot. But you know what? Try it. See if someone will pay it, because it might work. So then Toy's like, okay, guys, what do you think is the one thing that is like, real deal in your relationships that you're like, look, if I could fix this, we're good. Simone's like, well, I think the one thing I could fix would be if Cecil would finally leave, though. She actually says, I think that she's like, I verbally beat down my husband more than he's deserved. All because I had a different way of thinking then. All because he has a different way of thinking than me or a different thought process. And so I've had to work on that, right? So if the one thing that we could change would be if I could stop yelling at him. But you know what she's probably thinking is the one thing I would change would be if CS were stopped being such an idiot all the time and I wouldn't have to yell at him.

A (32:30)

Yeah, exactly. And so Tori is like, whoa. But we know that you didn't want to have the trip. You didn't want to throw the trip this time with your Husband, so how could we support you? And she's like, well, you know, me and Cecil, we're in a much better place because of communication and talking. And, you know, some days I have a softer tone than others, and I'm smart enough to know, you know, you have to try different tones on different days, which I liked. She's like, okay, I can chew him out, but not two days in a row, because then I just look like a. So I'm gonna do it. Just, you know, I'm gonna lighten it up. One day I'll be nice, and then I'll. I'll chew them out on Wednesdays. Okay. Yeah.

B (33:10)

Wednesday is Yell at Cecil Day.

A (33:12)

Yeah.

B (33:13)

So over at the men's session, let's see what's going on with our therapy. So David, the therapist, is like, okay, my friend who's 28. Yeah. This is where Cecil's like, make sure I don't lose that one year. So David's like, okay. The flame, you know, the love. Is there still love? He's like, yes, I am blessed. And Eugene is like, is there somebody on this earth for everybody? Because I really think I was literally built to deal with Toya Bush Harris. I tell her sometimes in arguments, there's nobody else that's gonna deal with you.

A (33:46)

And Steve's like, we're so lucky, though, because we found our person. And, you know, if you can find the one person that's right for you amongst billions and billions of people, you know, how lucky are you? How lucky are you? And so then we go back to the ladies, and Mimi is saying that she has a great marriage, but, you know, the main struggle is having a child who is on the spectrum. And, you know, part of that is grieving the expectations you have for your child. And she goes through this big thing with everybody, which, you know, they're all, like, crying as they listen, and she's like, and, you know, then I send my kid out into the world, and, you know, as my. As his mother, how do I protect him from people who may just not understand it?

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A (37:24)

yeah. It's like. And I got caught up in that, and I don't work like that. And David is saying, okay, I like that. You know, everybody has different levels, different levels, different stages, you know, 29, 28, 28 years. 29 years. Okay, what do you guys have that keeps it going for so long? And Damon's like, well, we've been through stuff and we argue, but, you know, I'll be honest. I'm probably at a tougher point in my life than I've ever been. But I think what really keeps us together is consistency. For example, I wear scrubs every day everywhere. And so if she's ever upset with me, I'm like, but are you upset with me today? Are you upset with me five years ago when I was in the same outfit?

B (38:06)

And he's saying that, like, he's, like, going through it right now because he misses his son. He hasn't seen his son in forever because of everything that went down. And he's like, this would be the time where if someone was my enemy, they wanted to see whether I would do something horrible. Try me now. That's just where I'm at. Try me now. Because, you know, I'm maintaining. Because you can't let your situation, how you feel, make you lash out and do something stupid. So you lose everything you have. Sorry for yelling. Guys so mad. At this point, I'm just not gonna sit here and lie about it and saying, everything's cool. It's not cool. So then it's upset.

A (38:44)

Let me, Adam. Let me, Adam. So then we go to Heavenly, and she's talking about how she's worried about her kid. And Simone's like, you know, I worry about my kids. I'd lay awake wondering if Michael Whitmore is alive. And then I check his Tesla that I bought him to see his location.

B (39:03)

Yeah. Seriously? Yeah, I'm the.

A (39:05)

That.

B (39:06)

I'm on my phone.

A (39:07)

I'm, like, tracking.

B (39:08)

I'm, like, tracking a. Just me, too. And Angel's like, but you know what? As they say in the Bible, at some point you've got to put down the. Find my. Okay, we gotta raise them up. We gotta allow them to trust in God and let them go. And they're like, yeah, no, shut up. Like, my. My son is like, I. My son does not reach out. Let's not talk to me. This is not about, like, letting go. This is about the fact that, like, I haven't seen my son in Several months, and I want him to come home.

A (39:36)

Yeah, well, Heavenly's is, but Simone's like, I'm just worried. So it's getting all blended in there. But Angel's kids are still too young. Like, they're not driving yet. They're not, you know, obviously out and independent yet. So she doesn't get it from that point of view. And so Contessa's like, oh, by the way, angel, is Bernard having a good time? And she's like, I don't know. I know everybody. What does Bernard think? So she's like, yeah, I didn't ask him. And Contessa says, what do you mean you didn't ask me? Is like, so this is still River Mimi talking. So he pulled you up in a.

B (40:11)

A.

A (40:11)

We pulled up on you in a foreign country and said, let me go see her. And you didn't ask how he was feeling?

B (40:18)

And angel says, I think bringing us together was amazing, you know, and to invite him as a friend, I think that was amazing, too. So, you know, and they're like, so, like, you open? She's like, well, I'm not. I'm not that open. It's like, wait, you're not that open? Well, I think that after this weekend, it's best for me and Bernard to remain friends based off of all the nothing you saw between the two of us. Like, wait, what happened? What happened that he got friend zoned. He. He flew over to the Strip for you so that way you would have a storyline for your TV show.

A (40:46)

Because he's just like, his. He comes and he's, like, in a bad mood, and he's, like, trying to start, like, well, what are we even doing here? Why are we in a couple's trip and you're gonna come on a couple's trip without me? And she's like, oh, my God. Why. Why are we arguing? You're. We're not even a couple. You won't even ask me to be your girlfriend, and now you're, like, giving me attitude on this trip.

B (41:08)

Yeah, I think that it's. Obviously, she's not obligated to like him just because he made a big gesture, but I'm just kind of like, there's been nothing like that. I haven't. I didn't see anything that went. Went to arrive. And I guess they did have that conversation last week, which I must have forgotten about while I was dozing off watching the show.

A (41:23)

Yeah. Because he shows up, and then he's

B (41:25)

like, well, what are you doing on

A (41:26)

the couple's Trip and without me. And she's like, oh, my God, like, you're not even asking me to be your girlfriend. And now you're pissed off that I'm on a couple's trip without you. I mean, and also, it's a trip that's paid for by production, you know what I mean? So if he really wants to make a grand gesture, it's not showing up to her shoot to be on tv. It's like taking her on a trip and being like, will you be my girlfriend? I've loved you forever. You know, let's do this or let's get married or whatever. But he's just like. And she has to take care of him. And I think she's like, I don't need to take care of some whiny fucking man. You know? I don't blame her.

B (41:59)

So, of course, Contessa's like, okay, well, that's nice and everything. Can we invite him to the med gala? Because we need some donations. Angel's like, you're not going to use my people to get money. No way.

A (42:12)

So back to the men. Curtis is like, let's put King on the hot seat. I want to get to that one. And so they're like, what are your intentions, King? And he's like, well, put it this way. We're on our own journey, and we're doing it at our pace. And, you know, basically, sometimes I'm on the journey, and sometimes I just want to get out of the car, but it's like a journey, you know? Okay, well, do you think she wants to be married? He's like, well, in regards to that, I mean, you guys are pressuring me more than she is. She doesn't really care.

B (42:41)

Yeah. And. And he's. And Curtis is like, well, think about one thing. You guys are trying to go through the process of having a kid, and you want to think about doing things decent, in an order. Like, it can't be in an order because of our age. And I think it's common sense for all of us. He's like, yes, but I'm talking about it from a biblical standpoint. Oh, you guys, this is when.

A (43:06)

This is when I just start openly booing in my house off Curtis, you hypocrite.

B (43:13)

This guy, right? So now he's like, well, you guys are living together and you're playing husband and wife, which means you're already going to hell, because, hello, I don't see a ring on that finger, and you're not married. And in the Bible, that's A no. No.

A (43:26)

Oh, Jesus loves PT Cruisers and cheating on your wife with someone 30 years younger than you, you loser. Oh, what an. I hate this guy. I hate this guy. Why is Jackie still with this loser of a man?

B (43:42)

And since when was he, like, a Bible thumper? I mean, he may have always been. We just never saw the side. And King is like, well, he's a

A (43:48)

coach at a Catholic school. But, I mean, I don't know that that means you have to be a Bible thumper.

B (43:53)

But yeah, King's like, we're not gonna weaponize the Bible against me now. That's what we're not gonna do. Just, like, good for you, King.

A (44:00)

But we're talking about sex before marriage. You're out of order. They're 50. What are you talking about? Sex before marriage is, like, not even for adults. It's, like, for people that was made, like, back in. I mean, give me a break. Are we gonna. I'm not gonna argue the Bible with Curtis, of all people. And you know what's all.

B (44:19)

Well, you know, it's also out of order. Having sex with someone outside of your marriage, during your marriage.

A (44:26)

That's also.

B (44:26)

I would argue, that's even more out of order. Curtis.

A (44:30)

Yes. And he's like, well, but, you know, those are medic. Those are medical complications, not necessarily due to order. And Damon's like, well, let me just say one thing. You know, who's going to cast the first stone, though, right? So who's going to cast. He just cast it. He just cast the first stone. He's like, you know, I mean, I don't have judgment, you know, because it's none of my business, so have to listen to me. I'm in scrubs, and Curtis is like, yeah, it's like 2025, and we're doing it on our timeline. Well, I can't agree with that because faith has a lot to do with it. Oh, well, congratulations, Curtis. You just got a better room in heaven, you hypocrite. Shut up.

B (45:06)

Better room in heaven? Yeah, you got a PT Cruiser to drive from cloud to cloud. So King is like, I don't think Curtis is the right person to tell us God's order right now. He needs to do a little bit of self reflection and hold himself accountable. You know what's so funny is that they're actually being so polite to Curtis. None of them are saying outright like, Curtis is a hypocrite because he had an affair on Dr. Jackie. Like, no one's actually saying that. And they're. They're Being quite friendly to him by doing that, whereas Curtis is fully, you know, preaching to them. It's just absolutely. Curtis, who's the same person, by the way, who got all, you know, upset because Toya kind of, like, brought this back on. Watch what happens live in the beginning of the season. He's upset that Toya would deign to talk about his affairs. And. Yeah, does perfectly happen to weigh in on King and Quad's relationship and get all high and mighty about it.

A (45:54)

Exactly. Yeah. I forgot that. That Toya brought up his, like, pulling her on his lap and shit, too. So, yeah, Curtis, yeah, no one is here. And then it gets worse. Cause he goes, but, you know, doing the things that. The way that God has prescribed it for us has a lot to do with it. And Steve's like, no, there's no perfect time. And Curtis is like, well, but, you know, you say. You pray and you say you believe in God and you believe in this and all that, but God gave us rules. And so King's like, okay, but have you abided by all the rules? And he's like, well, absolutely not, you know, because we all sin daily. And then we ask for forgiveness and we move forward. And King goes, okay, well, I asked for forgiveness this morning, and I'm gonna ask for forgiveness right now for what I'm about to do tomorrow morning. So, yeah, I'll stay. I'll stay ahead of the game. Didn't Curtis say in this something like, you know, maybe something to do with her not getting pregnant is you. The way the order in which you're doing this. I could have sworn that he was.

B (46:50)

He did say that.

A (46:50)

Hinting at.

B (46:51)

He sort of implied that. Like, he implied that. Yeah. That if you got married first and then tried to have a baby, like, you'd be more successful somehow. Yeah. Yikes.

A (47:06)

So now we go to the ladies, and Heavenly's like, okay, well, Quad, we all know that you've been traumatized, and that's all I really need to say. Go on, Quad.

B (47:16)

Oh, thank you for saying the T word. It's tough to not give kids. Not when you. When you are. When you're of means. And it's very difficult to not give someone you love the things that not only they need, but it's what I want. And so I'm in a space right now where I am breaking myself down. I'm like, what? You've been in that space for about 12 years now. It's like, everything is like, ma', am, would you like a salad or fries? I'm just breaking myself down. I'm so vulnerable for that question.

A (47:46)

So they're like, qua. Do you trust your feelings? And she's like, I trust myself most certainly. And Contessa's like, well, I mean, specifically about your decisions in relationships. And she's doing in that. Like, when Contessa squints, she's like, okay, did we go poo poo in our pants? Did we? It's okay. You can tell Mommy. And Quad's like, I make proper decisions. I mean, I do have aha. Moments. Aha. Light bulb moments, as they're called. You know, like, well, I wasn't expecting for it to go that way. Or he really did just take a dumpling off my plate. Or, wow, he really said that. I do have those moments.

B (48:25)

Then heaven just goes, well, he needs you. You don't need his ass. That's my thought. I'm sorry. I will. You know, he will disappoint you at some point. Quad, everybody in the world, any relationship that you're in, they're going to disappoint you in some way. Except for daddy, but. So my whole thing is, is so you love him enough for. For the times that he does, because every motherfucker's gonna do it.

A (48:48)

And Quad says, well, I have been disappointed by him, but I still love him. And I'm sold. I'm solid. And that's what I want you to understand. She goes, okay, back up, back up. Okay, I was just asking. So Quads, like, I get where they're coming from, you know, And I tell them, don't sugarcoat it with me, but it would hurt me beyond belief if the relationship did not work.

B (49:12)

So Quad is like, the love and the relationship is strong enough that we're gonna get through the disappointment. Or you won't, and you'll break up, which is what eventually happens to YouTube, but that's fine. So back to the guys. David.

A (49:25)

Guys are talking about how they need to learn to reach out and ask for help from each other. Like, guys. Yeah, we're guys. When guys are sad, guys need to call guys, because who else gets it but guys? Guys, how do we reach out? They're like, I don't know. Should we text? No, that's dumb. Women do that. Should we call? No, that's gross. Okay, let's reach out somehow. Okay, let's do it. Guys. You guys are not. Stop it.

B (49:51)

So Eugene and Damon decide to settle their. Their Internet breaking feud. And Eugene is like, damon, you know, you're a.

A (50:02)

A.

B (50:03)

You're a Hold it in kind of guy. But last night, I'm a little bit more talkative than you. So I just want you to understand. I left yesterday to give myself a timeout because I was getting really pissed and my head was about to explode. Damon's like, I get it. So we're very similar. And we're similar in the fact that we want to protect our family. And I don't want any. I don't want to say anything bad. Damon's like, no, don't say anything about my son, bro. I'm just saying, don't say anything about my son. You know, I've said it a bunch of times. Don't go there, there. I'm just being straight, okay? Sometimes in our group, people say stuff. Don't say stuff about my son. And Eugene's like, I wasn't going to say anything about your son. I just.

A (50:36)

Yeah, Damon got, like, worked up. He thought they were going to confront him about his son. He's like, do not talk about my son. He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm not talking about your son. I'm not talking about it. He's like, you better not. And he's like, no, but I'm. I'm not like, oh, my God. He's like, I'm talking about last night. I'm talking about your wife. Oh, okay. We can talk about. He's like, yeah, last night, she. Heavenly was being disrespectful to Toya. Eugene, do you watch this show? Toya is disrespectful and rude to everybody on this show. I cannot. With Eugene acting like Toya is some saint. You're only mad that Heavenly said you had a tiny wiener. That's the only reason you're mad. So just admit it and stop pretending you're sticking up for Toya. You want someone to yell at Heavenly about your dick being small? And Toya's not going to do it, and Heavenly is never going to let up on it. And Heavenly got that ammo from your own wife. Wife. So be mad at her. Yeah.

B (51:28)

So they basically are like, whoa, we're men. Women are fighting about women things, and we're men. So they sort of dap it out, and they're like, everything's good, guys. Everything's good. So Steve's like, guys, I want to propose a toast to all you guys individually. Continue to be great, Continue to excel. Continue to get wrapped up in your false senses of masculinity. And by the way, King, when are you. Quiet. Getting married? Just playing.

A (51:51)

Just playing so now they all come together, and Eugene's like, honey, we gotta thank everybody because what an interesting, fabulous couples trip. Eugene, this was a fail. And you were. You were the leader. You're fired.

B (52:06)

It was.

A (52:07)

You're fired From a couple strips.

B (52:08)

Yeah.

A (52:09)

But Heavenly in charge, she'll call everybody who's. Who's with this couple. All of these couples from. From years past just bring back the mess.

B (52:19)

Yeah, Seriously. So then toys. Like, the one thing I can say for the ladies is that we were over here and you guys never had to feel embarrassed. They never looked at us crazy. Which, by the way, this whole sentence was like, I hated that. Like, look at us. We were good women. You never had to be embarrassed about us. So then I definitely goes, I wonder why? Which I don't know what that meant. But then Toya's like, we could come together. We could confide in each other and lift each other up. Secret St. James Montego Bay has been such a blessing. Thank you. Thank you for the commercial. We did that. Let's say goodnight, guys. Like, I already said goodnight because I'm half asleep in this episode.

A (53:01)

Yeah. So then we go back to Atlanta. We're with Scott and Contessa, and Contessa's doing dishes. And Scott's like, you're supposed to make the kids do that. And she's like, I can't clean fast enough.

B (53:12)

I need to clean.

A (53:13)

I need to clean. She's like, I love your new glasses, by the way. You're so metrosexual.

B (53:20)

Wow. Look at you with some glasses that have a little bit of style. Metrosexual. You basically should just put your dick into someone's ass. So then Mimi and her family are at a bounce house place and they're having fun. And then Toya is giving her kids money for getting good grades. And we finally settle in on Quad and King, and they're gonna have another domestic scene. And King is like. Like, where are you heading? Where are you going? Wherever you're going. I'm just. That's just us. What are you drinking? Something that you're not drinking. Just got kinged.

A (53:53)

So she's saying that Jackie's been texting her apology after apology because she found out what Curtis said in Jamaica to King. And she's like, for him to say the reason our IVF didn't work because we're not married. I mean, that's.

B (54:07)

Is, what the hell?

A (54:08)

And, you know, that's crazy. And she's like, when did Curtis become a saint? And she says, you know, Jacqueline Walters didn't know a damn thing about it. And if she could read his mind, she would have just looked at him and said, shut up.

B (54:23)

Be quiet. Yeah, because now. Because Curtis is actually both being totally hypocritical, but he's also undermining Jackie's profession. You know, he's being like, oh, yeah, well, if you got married first, then you can have your baby. And she's like, like, you know, Jackie is, like, on the side of science, and, like, that's not how it works. And, like, yeah, it's mortifying for her. Well, not mortifying, but, like, I can see how she would.

A (54:45)

I'm sure it is mortifying. Yeah. Idiotic. How many people does she have? How many patients does she have that aren't married and waiting to do it? You know, it's like empowering somebody to be like, you can do this whenever you want, however you want. You know? So King is like, well, I mean, everyone's talking about marriage, but is it really necessary? I mean, it's like, sometimes two companies may not need a merger. You know, they can thrive on their own and benefit each other. And she's like, watch yourself. I know. And he's like, well, but I've thought about it, and I've thought about it a lot. I mean, you said yourself, I haven't been giving you what you deserve or what you need. So what I need is consideration and appreciation.

B (55:25)

Oh, God. She's like, do you need a hearing aid? All I do is give you praise. There's never been one time when you've shown up for me. I scream it to the top of my lungs, ready to tell Eddie and everybody. Now, that is a true statement. He's like, screaming it versus showing it. Two different things. It's like, okay, well, how would you like for me to show it to you? The floor is yours. How would you like me to show it? She is giving him a look like, you. I do everything. I let you eat all my food. You get to live under this household, under this roof. Roof. And you're gonna actually make it seem like. Like. Like I do nothing for you. Please.

A (56:01)

Yeah, well, he lives in his own house, I think. Right? He has a movie.

B (56:04)

Well, either way.

A (56:05)

But yeah. I mean, this guy. This guy whining and complaining all the time. And she's like, okay, well, how would you like me to show it, King, the floor is yours. And he's like, well, but remember the last time we went to Ghana? The whole time we're there, I'm there in support of you and because of what you're going through. And then you're beating up on me, acting like I was the enemy. And she's like, what? He goes wrong or right? She goes, about what? And he's like, everything. It's just tension. And I look at it like, damn, you're ungrateful. You see how that could come off?

B (56:34)

So she's like, well, I'm still working through some things. And he's like, yeah, it's been a different. It's a different type of year. Definitely been different. She's, well, I'm still not trying to put you in the. I'm not still trying to put you to the test. I. I, like, I'm not trying to do that. And he's like. He's like, oh, yeah, Like. Like, well, you know, that's. You know, it feels like a test. And she's like, but that's what's wrong with men now. Men are sassy now. And he's like, no rebuttals. Just keep on going. She's like, well, are you trying to be difficult right now? And he's like, I'm the one that's picking up the pieces.

A (57:03)

So it doesn't look like it. I mean, from here, it looks like you're constantly trying to cause drama and fights on TV to have a scene. King. It looks like you're trying to be like a camera and trying to make some drama on this show that's not about you.

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Totally. So she's like, don't count me short and don't count me small. I go through a lot, but I'm very strong and I'm very tough. And again, I always bounce back and I get better every single time. So, yeah, this. We know that this relationship doesn't work out, and we can see it coming to an end on TV here. So that's where the episode ends.

A (57:39)

Yeah, I was rooting for them at the beginning. That's a shame game.

B (57:43)

Yeah, I actually was, too. I actually really liked King at first, but I was like, well, he's got these chauvinistic elements here or there, but maybe that can be sort of massaged out. But unfortunately, it was just a harbinger of what was to come.

A (57:55)

Yeah. All right, well, that's it for today, people.

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