#3259 RHOBH S15E13 Part One: Madame Butterfly AF

Summary

Watch What Crappens #3259 RHOBH S15E13 Part One: Madame Butterfly AF (March 13, 2026)

Episode Overview

This episode, hosted by Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam, delivers a lively and sharp recap of The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season 15, Episode 13, titled "Read the Room." The duo breaks down the cast’s glamorous but awkward villa trip to Florence, Italy, poking fun at languid housewives drama, fashion mishaps, culture clashes, and psychological warfare, all with their signature irreverence. They zero in on Amanda's ongoing conflict with Dorit, Dorit’s tardiness, the group’s operatic dinner, and the challenges of navigating both Italian villas and cast alliances.

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Florence Arrival & Immediate Shenanigans

[03:04–11:43]

• The cast arrives at a gorgeous villa in Florence, setting the stage for both sightseeing and petty grievances.
• Ronnie times “11 minutes of people just slowly gathering downstairs,” joking about the show’s infamous filler content.
• Memorable Quote:
  Ronnie [03:04]: “For people watching at home, this commences the first of 11 minutes of people milling about and arriving in the living room on this episode. I did time it.”
• Housewives react to their rooms, with Dorit dramatically collapsing on the floor when discovering her private sauna.
• Ben jokes about Dorit’s attempt to speak Italian, likening it to “tomato, tomato, potato, potato” [06:26].
• There's banter about luxury travel annoyances, lost luggage, and competitive room assignments.
• Jennifer [12:07] announces her trip tradition: “I just like to do thirst traps on all of my trips. So I plan on doing a thirst trap photo shoot in a pool.”

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Lost Luggage, Thirst Traps, and Chapel Rooms

[11:43–15:10]

• Side story: Jennifer receives a “special” room with a balcony overlooking a chapel, surprising both hosts and cast.
• Discussion about the oddness of sleeping in a chapel and a running joke about “ghost repellent.”
• Hosts riff on Italian staff hustling to find a “fan” for a needy guest, conjuring visions of “19 year olds in loincloths” [14:08].
• Notable Moment:
  Ben [14:29]: “I was not expecting a chapel and let alone not only just a chapel. A chapel that you actually descend into.”

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Glam Routines & Pre-Dinner Drama

[15:10–23:04]

• Getting ready scenes feature Amanda’s “sing-song hello” (which annoys Ronnie) and Jennifer’s “full Italian Clue/Mrs. Peacock” ensemble.
• Ben and Ronnie delight in mocking the extravagance: “She looks crazy. She looks like literally crazy. And rich people are like, oh my God, amazing.” [16:47]
• Fashion competition builds, with everyone doing an impromptu runway in the villa’s common areas.
• The conversation turns to Amanda and Natalie’s puzzling use of “midriff” when neither is wearing one, leading to musings about changing fashion language.

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Social Alliances & Amanda the Outcast

[20:59–31:54]

• Rachel’s horror at “twinning” with Amanda in Dolce and Gabbana inspires jokes about “accidental fashion.”
• Natalie comments on Rachel’s jewelry (“vintage Dior”)—the hosts riff on how the cast one-ups each other in designer name-dropping.
• Amanda’s attempts to bond with Dorit continue to flop; the group regards her as (at best) awkward, and at worst, hopeless.
• Sutton and Kyle’s “producer talk” with Amanda becomes a meta moment about performing for reality TV.
• Memorable Exchange:
  Ben: “Kyle’s, you know, they’re also tacky. This, this whole cast, I mean like 90% of this cast is just tacky as fuck.” [29:32]

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Dinner, Opera, and the Culture Gap

[26:33–32:41]

• The cast is treated to a surprise—a private opera performance in the villa’s 1700s theater.
• Reactions are split: some are enthralled, Amanda texts on her phone, Ronnie admits he would’ve fallen asleep post-flight.
• Kyle records the performance on her phone, to the hosts’ chagrin:
  Ronnie [29:55]: “Why are you recording, you dumbass? … It’s not like you go back and watch that video of the entire song. It never sounds good. It never looks good!”
• Opera triggers side commentary on cultural posturing and internet drama—especially the Doja Cat/Timothée Chalamet “dying art” discourse, with Ben and Ronnie mocking both the cast and pop culture’s faux-sophistication.

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Dorit & Amanda’s Tension Reaches a Boil

[33:32–49:38]

• Amanda tries to pull Dorit aside for a private talk about their conflict; Dorit dodges, preferring to delay until after dinner and possibly in front of the group.
• Sutton offers Amanda real-time advice to toughen up and “show that she wants to fix it,” revealing how cast mates support (or undermine) each other.
• Ronnie points out the housewives’ tendency to “gaslight” each other—suggesting Dorit doesn’t like Amanda and would rather be with the group.
• During dinner, Dorit is pressed about her reunion with ex PK, and her defensiveness is laid bare; Erica and Amanda needle, while Kyle frames it as concern for Dorit’s mental well-being.
• The conversation eventually veers into an absurd and circular argument about Amanda’s opinion on Dorit’s marriage and how/when it was given. Kathy steps in with her “read the room” catchphrase, shutting down the bickering—for now.
• Quote:
  Kathy Hilton [48:44]: “You’ve just got to learn to read the room and know your place.”
  Ronnie, clarifying the vibe: “It was like a hilarious thing that Kathy just, like, comes in as basically, like, yeah, everyone just shut up. Especially you, Amanda.”

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Freudian Meta-Analysis and Slippery Words

[49:50–54:59]

• Ben and Ronnie dissect Amanda’s debate style: slippery, defensive, and endlessly self-referential, making her unpopular even when she’s not entirely wrong.
• Amanda tries to justify her comments as coming from informed, therapeutic experience, but is rebuffed—“you’re not her therapist, you’re her friend at a dinner table” [52:35].
• The group argues semantics and math, devolving into an absurd “half a dozen/ six of one” routine that highlights the cyclical, often pointless housewife feuds.
• Kathy attempts to mediate, but the hosts note the fight persists only because Amanda frustrates her co-stars on a fundamental level:
  Ben [49:50]: “She’s just annoying, you know, and she. She argues for no reason, and she thinks she’s better than everybody, and she talks down to everybody, and they’re like, like, you’re talking down to me, Timu. You’re talking down to me, lady.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Travel Drama:
  Ben [04:49, riffing as Sutton]: “I called for the luggage and it said, ‘you’re a loser and a spinster.’ I said, mother, they do an answer in the phone for American Airlines.”
• Room Assignments:
  Ronnie [10:29]: “No offense to Sedona, but Bose should be, like, nominated for president.”
• Dorit’s Opera Tardiness:
  Ben [24:28]: “Dorit is missing because Dorit’s ass is always late.”
• Amanda’s Midriff Confusion:
  Ben [20:59]: “Did the terminology change? Does midriff just mean, like, a dress that hugs the midriff? Because I was like, I don’t see any midriffs.”
• Cast Takedown:
  Ben [29:32]: “This whole cast, I mean like 90% of this cast is just tacky as fuck.”
• Kathy Hilton’s Showstopping Line:
  Kathy [48:44]: “You’ve just got to learn to read the room and know your place.”

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Key Timestamps by Segment

• Housewives Arrive in Florence: [03:04–11:43]
• Thirst Traps, Chapel Room: [11:43–15:10]
• ‘Midriff’ Fashion Confusion: [20:59–22:00]
• Opera Performance/Reaction: [26:33–32:41]
• Amanda vs. Dorit, Dinner Spiral: [33:32–49:38]
• Kathy Hilton ‘Read the Room’ Quote: [48:44]

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Closing Thoughts

Ben and Ronnie revel in the dominos of small grievances that escalate to group warfare, artfully skewering RHOBH’s eccentric cast and the culture of reality TV drama. The theme of not “reading the room” recurs—both in cast politics and self-awareness. Kathy’s dismissal, Dorit’s ice-queen act, Amanda’s awkward defenses, and the cast’s inability to just let things go prompt the hosts to do what they do best: eviscerate with love, wit, and plenty of Bravo deep cuts.

Catch Part Two for the continuation of this recap and even more absurd Housewives drama.

Transcript

[Ronnie]

Who cares what happens when there's so much what happens. When there's so much that crappens?

[Ben]

Well, hello and welcome to watch what crappens. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben over there. Hello Benoons.

[Ronnie]

Hello Rondel. How are God.

[Ben]

Are you ready to come to Texas?

[Ronnie]

I'm so excited. I'm excited for the south by Southwest. We have, we have a so many fun things that we're already going to. It's going to be great. Are you excited to have me leave

[Ben]

the house for three, four days in a row? So I'm feeling apprehensive but excited.

[Ronnie]

Wait, wait, why are you apprehensive of me staying at your house?

[Ben]

No, no. Me leaving four days in a row, leaving the house four days in a row. That's very unlike me. I. It's a lot.

[Ronnie]

It's actually it's gonna be pretty intense because I'm taking a flight. I'm waking up at 4:30 in the morning. I'm taking a flight tomorrow morning to Texas because there's like no easy way to get to Texas. So I'm waking up at the butt crack of dawn to go down to south by Southwest to reunite with you. And then we are going to be going to so many things over the next three days and that's going to be.

[Ben]

It is going to be from Newark. Should you say we should have talked about this. There's a nonstop from Newark.

[Ronnie]

I think the timing didn't work out because I think it was like it would get me in late or I don't know, whatever it was I for sure this was not the, this was not the flight that I wanted like the timing window that I wanted to take a 6am flight. But sometimes you just have to do what you have to do to get there in time.

[Ben]

Yes, you guys got to do what you got to do. It's going to be a fun time. Okay, so we're excited. That's the I heart Awards are on Monday. So we're so super excited. In the meantime, today we have Real Housewives of Bovilly who's if you want this on video or you want bonus recaps or you want ad Free listening or Discord Server Fun times or the free newsletter go sign [e-mail] Walter Wells Croppens but now it's time for Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season 15 Episode 13 Read the Room Kathy Hilton Sometimes you need to learn to read a room. Aren't you the one who was in that homeless not toothless thing? Being like, so teeth and homes. Is that what this is? Catless, but. Catless. But fruitless. What is this, Kathy telling anyone to read a room?

[Ronnie]

Well, we were giving people rooms to be read, that's all. Ah, Kathy.

[Ben]

All right, so here we are. We're in Florence. Very glamorous.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it's gorgeous. Beautiful Florence. And for people watching at home, this is. This commences the first of 11 minutes of people milling about and arriving in the living room on this episode. I did time it. I did time that. It was 11 minutes of people just slowly gathering downstairs. Yes.

[Ben]

Real Housewives of saying hello in the foyer.

[Ronnie]

It really. It's. You know. You know, I enjoy this show because we always hop on the mics and we have so much fun making fun of it, even on a slow episode. Like, it's actually. The slower the episode, the more fun we seem to have with it. But I have to acknowledge, as a viewing experience, Beverly Hills is not in a great place, despite some signs of life earlier and, you know, airing the same night as Ladies of London, which is just kind of like, crackling with amazing energy and wonderful comedy. It's. It's a bit hard. It's a bit hard to dive into these long, slow burns of people arriving. However, you know, it's still very funny for us as podcasters because we get to sit here and make fun of all these stupid little things that they do. But we start with Bose. She's in a robe, and she wants to get a massage. I need a massage. Yes, a massage. First I need to shower, and then I'll have a massage because I've been traveling since yesterday. So that's the update on her logistics for the afternoon. And then we go to Sutton, as she is. She's rolling luggage into Kyle's room because I guess there was an issue and people didn't get their luggage in time. And they are dealing with this. This crisis.

[Ben]

Yeah, they're tracking my luggage, but they don't even know where it is. I called for the luggage, and it said, you're a loser and a spinster. I said, mother, they do an answer in the phone for American Airlines. I dialed wrong. It was my bad. I was like, all my bags are here. Is my brown bag here? And my Louis Vuitton carry on. This bigger than everyone else's Louis Vuitton carry on. And Satan's like, I don't know what.

[Ronnie]

I love to shop. Go on.

[Ben]

I can shop anywhere. I was just shopping downstairs in the foyer and shop anywhere. Well, then a car comes and It's Dorit, Rachel, and Ilka, and they're on their way, and Dorit's like, let's see.

[Jennifer]

Grazie, Gois. Go. To be able to stay in a villa in Florence. Delicious.

[Ben]

Delicious. Tortilla.

[Jennifer]

Tortilla escobedo.

[Ronnie]

I die for a villa. Like, I've only ever stayed in hotels. Like, the other day I was telling Xander, I was like, zan, do you ever stay in a hotel in Italy? And he's like, yeah. And I was like, me too. Like, I die. I die for European hotel.

[Ben]

I was telling my son the other day, if you stayed in a villa, it would be amazing. But if you stayed in a villa with your dad, would you want to burn it down? Just tell me the truth.

[Ronnie]

If your dad takes you to a villa and she is there, you have every right to just run away from the villa and join a new Italian family. You have every right to do that. Cassius. Cassius.

[Amanda]

Callus Kaya caius.

[Ben]

So Dorit is speaking in Italian, and I wish I knew Italian just so I could know how bad she is at it, because I have a feeling it's not great. But she's like, I. Cocoa, vorini, pastelini, tomato, tomato, potato, potato.

[Jennifer]

Let's call the whole ofinga offer

[Amanda]

questa vacancia in Italia. Voglia mangiane del cibo italiano del gizzil.

[Jennifer]

That means in Italian.

[Ben]

So the translation is, the things I

[Jennifer]

want to do on this Italian holiday. I want to eat delicious Italian food. I do want to do some shopping, and I really want to have fun. Do you understand me?

[Ben]

Coil.

[Ronnie]

And then we. We are seeing all this. This beautiful villa as they arrive, and the. The. The men in seats greet Dorit and Rachel, and they're like, welcome to Tuscany. And they're like. So they enter.

[Amanda]

Eric is like, I'm obsessed.

[Jennifer]

I'm home. I'm home.

[Amanda]

Oh, my God.

[Jennifer]

This is like movie shit. Like, shit you see in the movies, like, not real life, you know?

[Ronnie]

And Eric, I mean, Dorit's just wandering around, being like. She's doing that thing where her soul is just, like, constantly escaping her body at all times. And then so good.

[Ben]

Dorit walking into this vill,

[Jennifer]

It's like.

[Ben]

It's like falling on the ground.

[Ronnie]

It's like the grudge meets high fashion.

[Ben]

It's like a Jurassic park dinosaur getting stuck. Like, getting his foot stuck in an elevator or something. I was just trying to get Jeff Goldblum. Okay, I have to tell you something. I don't know if you hear that outside, but of course we start recording, and that's when people come to do the lawn or whatever. So I'm like, what is going on down there? It's louder than usual. The guy, I guess somebody quit this. The staff of this lawnmower guy, and he has made his wife come, and she is not happy about it. She is down there trying to work a lawnmower, and she is pissed. And he's like, this is how you do it. And she's, like, trying to move it, and he's like. He's, like, slapping around the butt. She's, like, slapping behind her. That's the best marriage I've ever seen. If you do that for your husband. That is true love right there. Should I take off my clothes and just stand at the window?

[Ronnie]

Yes. So they. They're wandering around. Gosh, she hates them.

[Ben]

Okay, I'm not gonna look out there anymore.

[Ronnie]

No, no, I'm watching you watch them in with such joy. It's so funny. It's more entertaining than Beverly Hills. So they're. Yeah, they're walking around, and Erica says something like, I want to move here. And Rachel says for like. For the first of, like, about 10 times this episode. We live here now. Like, we live here. We live here now. We live here in New York. We live here. We live here. Oh, my God. Live here. I love it.

[Amanda]

Obsessed.

[Ben]

We live here. I feel like I've already been betrayed by the doorman. It's, like, crazy. It's insane.

[Ronnie]

I'm going to teach this villa how to moisturize. We love you.

[Jennifer]

This is the movie. Shit. Like, shit you see in a movie.

[Ben]

Yeah, we know what movie. We know what you mean. Erica. Erica's trying to explain. So Stefano comes in, and he's showing Rachel her master Su. And he's like, this master the medi. It's like, ooh, stunning. Stunning.

[Jennifer]

Oh, the Medicai. The Is that is the med.

[Ronnie]

Medici. Medici. Medici.

[Ben]

Medicai.

[Jennifer]

Just gonna keep saying Medicai.

[Ben]

Oh, my God. That's Ka's cousin.

[Jennifer]

Is there. Does this mean there's, like, a doctor in here?

[Amanda]

Because it says medai. Stefano's like, medici.

[Ronnie]

Medici.

[Ben]

No, that's if. That's if Kai goes to law school, goes to. Goes to. Sorry, Dr. Skull. It's gonna be at Medicai.

[Ronnie]

So Rachel's like, no offense to son. Like, no offense to Sedona, but Bose should be, like, nominated for president. Like, this is, like, out of a romance film. Like, Sophia Loren should be, like, in one of these rooms, like, wearing some beautiful gown, like, seriously, Like, I die. Like, it's bananas. Like, I can't.

[Amanda]

I'm.

[Ronnie]

Well, I. I'm like, yeah, but are there kaleidoscopes? Because. Sorry. Sedona's got to be there. Tuscany.

[Ben]

Yeah. So Dorit goes in to see her room. It's like, Falling all over the ground and stuff.

[Ronnie]

I believe this was the sound that we all heard.

[Jennifer]

Your personal, private sauna.

[Ben]

Oh, my God.

[Ronnie]

I just love how long it went because she collapses on the floor. She's like, oh, God. And then you think it's over. She's like. And then she starts speaking, like, tongues, but, like, in Italian. She's like,

[Jennifer]

Enchilada. I've never seen anybody fall on the floor over Sada before, but okay.

[Ronnie]

Erica's room is nice.

[Jennifer]

This feels very special.

[Ronnie]

And now we have our third car arriving, and it's Kathy and Jennifer. And Jennifer has an announcement.

[Jennifer]

I just like to do thirst traps on all of my trips. So I plan on doing a thirst trap photo shoot in a pool.

[Ronnie]

Like, take your clothes off.

[Jennifer]

Yes. Naked. Totally naked. When I'm on vacation, I like to do thirst trap photos. My body has a lot of wibbly, wobbly parts, so I always try to be submerged in water. Water is very forgiving.

[Ronnie]

Kathy's like, mm, okay. Oh, wow. Look at these hedges. Charming.

[Amanda]

Jennifer's like, oh, look, it's like downtown Abbey.

[Ronnie]

So, yes. So Jennifer is planning to do her thirst traps, which I love. I love that she's gonna do a thirst trap. But it's like a very, very modest thirst trap. Of showing collarbone only. Yes.

[Ben]

And everything else under the water.

[Ronnie]

Yes.

[Ben]

That's how I am too. When I go in pools, I won't get out because I feel like I'm being hidden. My friends are like, ronnie, water is clear. We can see you.

[Ronnie]

Is that swaddle slumming? So, yeah, they all arrive and they take, like, a glass elevator upstairs. And Jennifer's, like, very, very impressed by the whole ordeal.

[Ben]

Yeah. So she sees the guys, the staff,

[Jennifer]

and she's like, wow, maybe I could get one of these guys into my thirst trap photo. I have a boyfriend. I shouldn't say that.

[Ben]

Chucky. It's just little Chucky's like, do you

[Ronnie]

guys have a fan for me? He's like, a fan, you know, I like the sound.

[Amanda]

He's like, oh, yes, yes, yes, of course.

[Ronnie]

Of course.

[Amanda]

You know, yes, absolutely.

[Ronnie]

You know, there was probably, like, 30 people who went running into the Tuscan countryside, knocking in every house. To be like, you have a van.

[Jennifer]

Do have a Van. Rich lady needs a van. Please.

[Ben]

It's gonna be 19 year olds in loincloths with, you know, feathers, the palm

[Ronnie]

fronds, or whatever the fig leaves.

[Ben]

It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

[Ronnie]

Oh.

[Ben]

So Jennifer has a small room, but it has a special feature. Are you ready for the surprise? And he opens the door, and there's a balcony overlooking an indoor chapel.

[Ronnie]

That was a surprise. I have to say, I was expecting something along the lines of another sauna or maybe a really nice hot tub. I was not expecting a chapel and let alone not only just a chapel. A chapel that you actually descend into. Like, you open the door and you're at the top of the chapel looking down into it. That was a surprise.

[Ben]

Yeah, I don't. I don't know that I want to sleep in a chapel.

[Ronnie]

I don't know what I'd do with it.

[Ben]

Yeah. So she's like, well, I can feel

[Jennifer]

that there are ghosts here. Thank God I brought ghost repellent, though. Kathy. Kathy will take it.

[Ben]

Boo.

[Ronnie]

Well, ghosts, you have to read the room and know your place, which is the afterlife, and not in this room.

[Ben]

Okay, so now people are getting ready for the evening, and Erica's getting her glam and lies there. She's like, oh, my God, was Dorit busting out her Italian?

[Jennifer]

She's like, oh, yeah, she made friends with the neighbors already. She's already accosted and older couple with her Italian.

[Ronnie]

Sure she has.

[Jennifer]

Surely you've heard of buca de people?

[Amanda]

Oh, yes. Have you been to the Capri room in Buca di Peppo in Encino Californiano?

[Ben]

So Rachel calls Dorit and then she calls Kai Kai, and Kai is playing chess, and he and Skyler aren't interested in talking to Rachel. She's like, I'm busy. She's like, do you want to talk to me? No. Okay, well, take the queen on your board and just tip it over because I'm dead. So Jennifer's room, she's getting her glam

[Jennifer]

and she's like, I want to look very Italian for our first night. I want to look like if an Italian were playing clue and Mrs. Peacock was invited to a dinner where she was about to be blackmailed.

[Amanda]

I want to be Mrs. Peacock. If she actually had a real peacock on her head.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So she has this enormous fluffy hat with feathers and all sorts of stuff. We just sort of see it on the sofa, and we can already imagine it's gonna be quite the Luke.

[Ben]

And then this Is some rich people. This shit only rich people get away with. She looks crazy. She looks like literally crazy. And rich people are like, oh my God, amazing. You look like you're cleaning a clown's like air ducts.

[Ronnie]

But also like, you know, it's rich people shit because that hat probably requires its own bag. It's its own. Oh yeah, like piece of, you know, away luggage. Yeah, that's enormous and fluffy and that's not something you're gonna squish down. Right. So then in the common area, Amanda and Natalie. God, guys, I've been waiting all episode to hear what Natalie has to say. But Amanda and Natalie arrive and they small talk about who knows what. Obviously it was not very important, but it's just like, hi. Well, Amanda, by the way, you know, I can't stand. I hate the way Amanda says hello. Have you ever heard the way she does her sing song? Hello.

[Amanda]

She's hi.

[Ronnie]

Drives me nuts. It's like a slow motion donkey Hi.

[Jennifer]

Hi.

[Ben]

Trying to make it special. Every time you see her like, hi.

[Ronnie]

Her words are going down a slide or skiing down a slope.

[Ben]

Hi. Yeah, so Boz and Sutton have a seat. And Sutton just has a blouse, you know, like a white button down shirt type thing and some diamonds and everybody loves. This is the best outfit Sutton's ever worn. Everybody's. I thought it was odd. Yeah, simple, you know.

[Ronnie]

She's like, well, it was in my carry on because my luggage is still in Germany. I guess they were trying to match it with a Sutton Strack, but they didn't realize I'm Sutton Brown now. So they sent it to Germany and got very confused.

[Ben]

Turns out browns get a lot less respect than strikes. So Kyle's like, oh my God, you. You're like that already. Like, I need a steamer and some glue.

[Ronnie]

Well, we're about to have cocktails and chill out. Oh my God. Like so. By the way, Bose, like, I'm sorry to Sutton. How's your roommate? You want to talk about your roommate before I like pretend to be her ally? Both like, oh yeah, your roommate. What's all up? What's up with that? Yeah, I need to understand because like how you were in Sedona to now and you're like, I'll move with Samantha, no problem. Like, what was that about? That's crazy. I love to shop.

[Ben]

Maybe Sutton is actually planning to take down Amanda in her sleep. So Kyle's like, I mean, Sutton is literally doing the most. I mean, she went on her way to be nice out of her way to Be nice because things were uncomfortable. But, you know, do you have to go to this extreme, Sutton, as sleeping in twin beds with Amanda?

[Ronnie]

Why does Kyle have an issue with it? Otherwise, it would have been you, Kyle, who had been stuck with Amanda because you're the only one who likes her.

[Ben]

No, I think it would be the two noobs. It would be Amanda and Natalie. Yeah. Can't even remember her name. Natalie.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I'm not sure Natalie even has a room. I think they just, like, they just found a cot for her and put her in the kitchen.

[Ben]

Poor Natalie. So Kyle's like, oh, Amanda better not leave her drink unattended.

[Jennifer]

You mean our oat milk?

[Ben]

So now we go to the common area, and Natalie is like, wow, you know what? I'm new to the midriff game. You know what it's like having twins. Your stomach is never quite the same, and Amanda's like, this is my reintroduce introduction to the midriff right here. That's not a. What are you talking about?

[Ronnie]

Neither of them were wearing midriffs. So confused.

[Ben]

Did the terminology change?

[Ronnie]

Does midriff just mean, like, maybe, like, in. In fashion? When you say it, when they're talking about midriff, it doesn't mean exposed midriff. It just means, like, a dress that hugs the midriff. Because I was like, I don't see any midriffs.

[Ben]

Yeah, because Amanda Wood's wearing a midriff, but she had it all the way pulled up, which I guess that's a way. I mean, what do I know? I don't hate wearing that, But I thought, like, you. I was like, is that a midriff?

[Ronnie]

I know. I was like, what is happening here?

[Ben]

I wear Muffin top Drifts, where things just go. I like my pants to be below my muffin top and my shirt to begin above my muffin top.

[Ronnie]

So Rachel has a living nightmare, which is that she arrives and realizes there's no one to talk to you except Amanda and Natalie. And even worse, she and Amanda are actually matching, which means that Rachel Zoe. Rachel Zoe and Amanda are fashionably aligned. And you know that that was a hard pill for Rachel to swallow. Yes.

[Ben]

They're both in there. Like, what?

[Jennifer]

Dolce.

[Ben]

Rachel's like, oh, my God, we match in Dolce.

[Amanda]

Oh, God, I love our colors together. We should take a photo of us.

[Ronnie]

You know, Rachel's like, that's not my brand. I'm not gonna take a photo with you. 20.

[Ben]

You know me. I don't pack with a strategy. It's like, totally. Whatever happens, happens. It's like Dolce fate. I leave my fate in Dolce.

[Ronnie]

So I like that. This was Rachel's way of differentiating. She's like, yeah, you put a lot of time to look like this. And I just like threw this in here and hope for the best.

[Ben]

So, yeah, you're wearing Dolce. I'm wearing effortless Dolce. Similar but not the same.

[Ronnie]

I call this accidental fashion, which is like when you put something on because you're not like paying attention and then you realize, oops, I accidentally match with the worst person in the room.

[Ben]

And Natalie's like, wow, you didn't around with jewelry, did you? And she's showing her designer bracelet, slits Rachel. And she's like, oh, my God, these are Dior from literally like a lifetime ago. So many dead people since between these came out like so many generations in the past. It's amazing.

[Ronnie]

Turt's Diors, vintage Dior. So Jennifer comes out with her giant hat.

[Amanda]

How everyone is all touching about it out.

[Ronnie]

And Rachel's like, jennifer Tilly is my hero. Like, she lives here now. We live here together. Like we're living together here now. She is an art form. When she commits, she is ca meted in the chicest, chicest, non Amanda way.

[Ben]

So everyone does a fashion show, each for each other. Shows off their great outfits to eat dinner at home.

[Jennifer]

And Erica's like, well, I'm so impressed of all of us. All of us. Personally, I didn't have anything to wear, so I just skinned Liar. She actually fits kind of well, just like a liar.

[Ronnie]

Head dangling on behind her.

[Jennifer]

I'm curious to know what Rachel thinks about twinning with Amanda in his dulce print dress. She probably burned it.

[Ben]

So guess what, Dorit. Dorit is missing because Dorit's ass is always late. So Erica goes to find her and Dorit's like, I'm almost ready. Excuse me, I have an old couple up here. I'm trying to explain. Lemon chicken pesta.

[Amanda]

Hold on one second, I need to say something to them. Lemon cello. Lemon cello.

[Jennifer]

Danny V2D

[Amanda]

Short, the man from life is a beautiful Roberto Boninia.

[Ronnie]

So Kyle thing is that Bose has a surprise lined up and they're all ready for a. But Dorit is not there. So that's why Erica goes up to find her. And Kyle, of course, sees this as prime example of Dorit go and cuckoo for cocoa puffs. She's like, dorit seems to be increasingly late to everything wherever we go. Like she's in her Own time zone. I'm like, it's been five minutes. This has not been 90 minutes of you guys waiting for her to come downstairs.

[Ben]

No, to read's the worst.

[Ronnie]

But she is late. But I'm saying Kyle's making it sound like she is more late than usual.

[Ben]

It's like, well, you know this. You know, I know we got rid of lobotomies for women in the 60s, but might want to rethink. Dorit's late again. So we go to Dorit's room, and

[Jennifer]

Erica comes up and say, hey, boss has a surprise. Everyone's waiting for you. Come on.

[Ben]

Come on.

[Ronnie]

So Jennifer asks Amanda if she's talked to Dorit since the Hamptons.

[Amanda]

She's like, I have not. You know, talking to Dorit feels like torture. But in my experience, because I have an informed opinion on this, when you get to the heart of a person, you can hear each other. So I'm gonna try one more time to clear this fucking up.

[Jennifer]

Erica, I'm literally getting my luggage.

[Ben]

We was in Keith's room.

[Jennifer]

She's like, oh, well, who cares? You know, we need to go have a good time with the people. Dorit. Jesus Christ. It's not about you and your fucking

[Ben]

dress, but I do have to bring a bag. Did you take marines?

[Jennifer]

She's absolutely not. What are you, a bird victim or an orphan?

[Ben]

Well, I meant take them for me. I didn't accuse you of stealing them.

[Jennifer]

Jeez, you're good.

[Ronnie]

Dorit also has, like. Did you notice this? Her lip? Like, the color that her team put on her lip sort of made it look like she'd just been guzzling red wine. It was like. I think they were trying to go for, like, a dark tone or whatever, but it just looked like she'd stuck her face into a goblet. And I was like, this does not look right. It had this sort of, like, purpley smudgy look to it. I could not stop looking at it the entire episode. Or at least this scene, I should say.

[Ben]

Maybe that'll come in fashion. Like that this one little thin line of red you get when you're drinking wine. You know that crusty red.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it was just like she had that look, you know? You know, when people drink red wine, it also makes their teeth look like they're spaced apart a little bit. It's like the red wine, like, shades the insides of the teeth. Yes, like that.

[Ben]

Ladies of London. Kimmy.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, so she just sort of looks a little bit like a wino in that moment. And I was Like, I don't think this is what she was going for, but I'm gonna support it.

[Ben]

Well, are we ready for the grand surprise? And the grand surprise is the theater, everybody. There's a built in theater there, but it doesn't have a tv, as Erica says.

[Jennifer]

Oh, my God. To me, this is the ultimate thing to have in the villa. A theater. And not like a little pussy theater. Let's go watch a movie in a little pussy theater. No, we're gonna put on shows in the theater. We're gonna have opera singers in the theater. I can't wait.

[Ronnie]

These says, what does Erica care about having, you know, live classical theater in her house?

[Ben]

She's an artist. When she was on Broadway.

[Ronnie]

She is not waltzing around trying to sing Gilbert and Sullivan, you know? So then we hear this history of the theater that goes back to the 1700s and the lights go out and then a pianist is up there and an opera singer comes out. He starts to sing and he. He, like. One thing he does is he like mimes taking a swing from Swig. From a bottle.

[Jennifer]

No, I do that too.

[Ronnie]

Like, quiet down, front row.

[Ben]

It's Erica. Erica will never shut up if someone actually talented is singing. Remember, she did it with Diana's husband too, when he was up there singing oh, Holy Night.

[Amanda]

You know?

[Ben]

Fucking Erica. I'm glad she didn't at least sing the opera with this guy, because I thought she was going to. And this guy's like the carrot top of opera singers. He's actually got a prop bottle to swig, which I loved. He's like, I will actually carry a bottle.

[Jennifer]

Yes, sing it, mother. Take something off.

[Ronnie]

And more and more people kept on popping out from backstage. I was surprised. I thought it was just gonna be this one guy. But then, like, slowly but surely, like, there's some. There's a lady and then there's. There's another guy. And so they're all watching and Bose tells us, I love opera. I love opera as much as Keely loves being in San Diego and maybe quitting his job. So much so that I'm on the LA Opera brand board, okay? So if these women have any culture, they're gonna appreciate it. If they don't appreciate it, they ain't got no culture. And then we cut to Amanda, just like, just on her phone texting.

[Ben]

Amanda looks so bored. It's so funny. She's like texting, going through a TikTok. She's like, her eyes are half closed. She's like, oh, why are they singing all their Words. Is this English?

[Ronnie]

I do think this was probably a challenging thing because, you know, I actually really enjoy opera and I think it's like going to the opera is like a very special thing. However, if I've just gotten off of like a crazy like 12 hour flight and I'm jet lagged and tired and you put you, you lower the lights and start playing opera, I'm gonna fall asleep. And like, I would have been like, oh my God, oh my God, I'm on camera and they're gonna get me falling asleep because I would have been out like a light. And it has nothing to do with the performers or even the, that it's opera. It's just like if you're playing classical music and the lights are low, I'm in a comfy chair after a long flight. Like, I'm done for.

[Ben]

Yeah. And I was wondering who Kyle is gonna send that video to because Kyle's, you know, they're also tacky. This, this whole cast, I mean like 90% of this cast is just tacky as fuck. You've got Amanda texting, you've got Erica heckling. You've got Kyle whipping out her. Look, it's opera. I'm gonna.

[Ronnie]

Why are you recording, you dumbass?

[Ben]

It's so weird.

[Ronnie]

You're not at like a Taylor Swift concert. It's just like, I don't know, it's just so. Kyle, I'm getting it all. Well, first of all, I also hate that in general, when you go to like a concert of some sort and someone is like recording an entire song. How many times do you go back and watch that video of the entire song? It never sounds good. It never looks good. The lights are, the lighting is blown out. And then you post it on social media and we're all supposed to be like in awe of it, like, no, thank you. And now Kyle's doing it for the stupid opera performance. It's not stupid opera performance, but it's a stupid video she took of the opera performance. And it's just like, just, just sit there and watch it and enjoy it.

[Ben]

Kyle.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, she can't get away with anything on this show without us complaining.

[Ben]

Seriously, your fucking phone away. This isn't the Bellagio fountains, you know. And so Sutton's like, let me let you in on a little secret. It I fall asleep at opera. Tell no one. Sutton just can't catch a break because she's already so boring this year. And then this week this Timothy Chalamet stuff came out. And now operas. Sutton's out There dissing the opera. I was like, girl, you just can't win. I mean, what are the odds that that would be the same week, you know? I hope she gets Doja Cat sending her nasty texts.

[Ronnie]

Just in general has nothing to do with the opera. I do love Doja.

[Ben]

Doja Cat went off on Timothee Chalamet about saying that opera and ballet is a dying art form. She's like, I'm Doja Cat. Here's what I think about Timothy. It's like, wow, everybody really has something to say, right?

[Ronnie]

I did not see that Doja Cat had a response to that, because I was not really. I mean, I saw that he said that, and it was stupid. And, like, literally, who is Timothee Chalamet in this world as. As what's her face? Yolanda would say. But I did not realize that Doja Cat had something to say about it, which is hilarious.

[Ben]

Yeah. Doja Cat went off on him and then the next day admitted it was just for Click. And people are like, oh, God, I really believed in Doja Cat. I really thought she was on our side.

[Ronnie]

She's like, guys, I know how to do some engagement beats.

[Ben]

It's so funny, all these people pretending they. They're so cultured right now. They're like, how dare you talk about opera and ballet? And it's like, have you ever been.

[Jennifer]

Have.

[Ben]

Have any of you ever been to the opera or a ballet? Just stop now. Like, how dare you. Although Timothy. Timothy Salamier. What a dumbass.

[Ronnie]

What a dumbass.

[Ben]

Honestly, what are you bullying opera and ballet for? Don't bully Amanda like the rest of us bully Kyle.

[Ronnie]

Take a stance on something that actually matters in the world. Like, not like. Like, don't come for opera and ballet. Like, come for something more interesting, like Edible Arrangements. Like, that's something that could be taken down.

[Ben]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ronnie]

Here comes one right now.

[Ben]

So the opera finishes, the guy dies, everybody. Spoiler alert. For those of you who haven't seen it, everybody applauds, and then they go back to another room to wait for dinner. And Amanda's like, hi, dream. Can we speak? She's like, sure. I just need to use the rest of the room.

[Jennifer]

Can we talk after that? I need to tinkle.

[Ben]

Winkle in my tinkle. That's a tad Italian for tinko.

[Ronnie]

So Kyle then is like, dorit goes off to. Obviously she does not want to have this conversation. So Kyle's like, amanda, did she say hi to you?

[Amanda]

She's like, yeah, I just want to see what's on My mind and just get to a better place with her. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

And you haven't seen her since that birthday dinner, right? I mean, that feels like forever ago, right? Right.

[Amanda]

She's like, yeah, it was. And that's why I'm hoping enough time has passed that we can collect our thoughts.

[Ronnie]

So then Dorit comes back, and it's

[Amanda]

like, bose, is there enough time before dinner for Amanda and I to talk? Because she asked to have a conversation, but I don't want to hold anyone up since everyone's always waiting for me. So in this case, I just want to make a public statement that I am actually not delaying dinner. It's Amanda right now, three.

[Ben]

Who just made everyone wait for an hour again. It's like, I would hate to leave everyone waiting for me. Well, you're not holding anyone up. We'll just sleep without you.

[Jennifer]

No, I'd rather have dinner. Amanda, we can chat after dinner.

[Ben]

And you know why Dorit wants this, right? Because she wants. Wants to yell at Amanda at the whole table. She doesn't. She doesn't want that. Private. Yeah, right?

[Ronnie]

And she also just doesn't like Amanda. She doesn't care about Amanda. And she's like, I would rather go to the group dinner and have fun than miss it to have some stupid conversation with Amanda. You know?

[Ben]

And it's more fun when Bo is. Bose is there to, like, rip you down classily and that too.

[Amanda]

So Amanda's like, okay, so right after dinner. Yes.

[Ronnie]

So Sutton's like, Dorit has zero respect for Amanda, so Amanda just has to show that, like, what? You know, one, that she cares about her relationship with Dorit, and two, that

[Amanda]

she wants to fix it. But Amanda being such a weenie, she's like. Like, she doesn't show that.

[Ronnie]

Like, come on, girl. I love that Amanda is getting, like, network notes from Sutton in the middle of, like, the show. It's like, hey, hey, hey. Stop being so lame on camera, okay?

[Ben]

This is a big episode for that. Yeah, but this is a big episode for that, because later, Sutton and Kyle go to her and try to give her a producer talk. They don't even hide what they really do. This is what they're really like. And this is what you have to do if you're gonna do this right on camera. Yeah, but first, the common area. Amanda is like, but we need to have a conversation.

[Jennifer]

I just, you know, I do want

[Ben]

to enjoy myself with everyone.

[Jennifer]

And we can speak privately.

[Amanda]

Can we, though?

[Ronnie]

So now Dorit is really annoyed. Dorit goes from passive aggressive to pretty much Aggressive, but not quite there yet.

[Amanda]

She's like, amanda, whatever you want, but I do want to enjoy myself, so let's enjoy dinner and then say what you've got to say.

[Ronnie]

It was so condescending. It's so not.

[Jennifer]

Cool. Cool, Cool. Kay.

[Ben]

So now outside, they're heading to dinner, and they're having trouble getting down the stairs because they're all wearing heels.

[Jennifer]

Cobblestones. What the. Why is this all. Why does this road look like Tom's ball skin?

[Ben]

So Sutton's like, well, that was a bad idea. I've got tiny, tiny ankles. Bird ankles.

[Ronnie]

So now we watch for 20 minutes as they are served wine, and Amanda's

[Amanda]

like, just a tiny bit of wine, please. That's just a taste. That's enough. Thank you.

[Ronnie]

And everyone gets their wine, and we're

[Amanda]

just like, wait, guys, guys, I have

[Ronnie]

to take a picture of this food, because, look, they serve, like, prosciutt with melon.

[Amanda]

Like, sky would eat prosciutt melon, like,

[Ronnie]

literally every day if he could. He loves prosciutt melon. Oh, my God. It's like, between the moisturizing and the prosciutt melon, he's, like, learned so well.

[Jennifer]

Who cares? Cheese.

[Ben]

Jennifer, speaking for the rest of us, I know.

[Ronnie]

Honestly, I feel so much happier when I'm in Europe. I live here now. I feel like it's, like, where I'm supposed to be. Like, I have a retirement plan to live in a chateau in the south of France overlooking the sea with unlimited pursuit melon, and to, like, live in caftans and jewelry and just, like, sit on the beach making jewelry and trying different ways to never match Amanda again. Just for fun. I'm, like, 10. I'll always be 10. And, like, Xander's there and, like, pursuit melon and moisturizer and K and sky, like, amazing. I die.

[Ben]

I love Europe. They don't have e bikes. I'm moving here. So we go back to the table. Another steak, and they keep. I felt bad for the waiter because they're bringing over steak, and he's, like, trying to jab it with a fork and then put it on the plate, but he keeps kind of missing it, or he keeps falling off the fork. And it's like, when it, like, jibbles back down, I was like, why do we have to keep focusing on this man? Not able to get the steak on his fork. Could you just leave the man alone? Why are we bullying him now? We're bowling, opera, we're bullying ballet, and now we're bullying Waiters.

[Ronnie]

I know he is tongue deprived. So Kyle's like, dorit. Can I ask a question? I don't know if anyone else saw, but you had dinner with pk could you elaborate on that, please? So then on screen, page six, Dorito and P.K. kemsley reunite for post split dinner date after she hinted at possible reconciliation.

[Ben]

Where'd they go? Where'd they go for privacy, Craigs.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, probably these two.

[Ben]

Let's go to dinner, Bay. But let's make sure it's on page six. It really matters. Where else are we going to have serious conversations that manage that matter about the children. The children. Craig's catch.

[Ronnie]

Punta Cana. That's where you go. Erica's like.

[Jennifer]

Erica's like, girl, we flew all the way over here and you didn't tell me that. What the is going on with you, Kimzlee?

[Amanda]

She goes, well, I'm starting to pull away because, gee, I really just pick and choose who I talk about my situation.

[Jennifer]

Okay, okay.

[Ben]

And so mouths to her, not you, Erica, not you. Oh, why is to read being such a weirdo? She's like, well, it's my life.

[Jennifer]

And you know, to have people in this group comment and to have opinions on what I should and shouldn't feel and say and support them, it feels like there are certain people I feel more comfortable shimming with, like page Six. And Erica's like, well, you should have told me I went to dinner with him. Oh, honey, you know it speaks you freely. I was assaulted. I was insulted.

[Amanda]

Well, how do you think I felt when I saw you holding hands with a guy? A guy who's apparently named Shrek? I'm the only one who's supposed to have a Shrek in my life. And Erica's like, well, no one knew.

[Jennifer]

I told no one. Why? Why would I ever tell anyone anything personal about my life?

[Amanda]

It's not like I'm on some reality show.

[Ronnie]

So then Paul's like, because she knew. She's like, yeah, I know. I totally know. Sorry, guys.

[Jennifer]

It's like, yeah, no one's even supposed to see that.

[Amanda]

It was only a second date in

[Ronnie]

the middle of the afternoon, walking across

[Amanda]

the public with holding hands.

[Jennifer]

No, I was supposed to see that the man was in crocs in a strangle thing shirt.

[Ben]

Wait, not strangle things. What was was supposed to be Stranger Things, but it was like slaughter things. Yeah, that's what slaughter things.

[Jennifer]

It was only on second date the man was in a slaughter things T shirt and crocs. Come on. Oh, you good? No, Back to you. Back to you. I'll be disappointed later.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, yeah, let's go back to Dorit because, like, the point is to, like, expose Dorit's hypocrisy and show that she is actually losing her mind and should be committed somewh. Oh, it's a good sign, right? You and PK Getting together, huh?

[Jennifer]

Well, it's not like we're getting back together at all. It's about the kids. We're implementing a consistent schedule for the kids. It's all for the kids. I do everything for the children. I had fried calamari for Jackie.

[Ronnie]

Are you happy with where things are?

[Jennifer]

Relieved, probably.

[Ronnie]

That's what I'm gonna say.

[Ben]

Erica gets drunk and just doesn't give a.

[Amanda]

Or as they say in my native tongue, reliever tomoso.

[Ben]

That's a stat. It's a small step, but it's a stat. If it's a step in Europe, it's, like, measured differently than it is in America. I love how Europe measures things. I belong here.

[Ronnie]

One small step for Doritos, one giant leap forward for pursuit melon. So Kyle's like, I'm sorry. I hate. I hate when I laugh at my own stupid jokes.

[Ben]

It's so funny. Her thing with everything is, like, such a big deal to her. It's like, oh, my God, Kai. Kai loves pursuit. He's gonna die with pursuit. He's like, mom, can you make a will for me? Because I'm too young to make it. Just say, if I die, bury me in pursuit melon. It's like, all I want.

[Ronnie]

It's not so much that I'm laughing at my own joke. I'm laughing that we are sitting here saying this, like, nonsense.

[Ben]

The show's so stupid. It really is.

[Ronnie]

I'm sitting here at my childhood desk. This is, like, the desk I sat at writing college essays where, like, ooh, the future. What's my. What does the future have in store for me? Fast forward 30 years, me sitting at the same desk, saying, one small step for Dorit, one giant step for pursuit melon. Like, this is. This is my future, actually.

[Jennifer]

Well, it's all about the kids.

[Ben]

So Kyle's like, well, I'm hoping this helps out men, their relationship, wherever that may lead, because that will benefit Dorit mentally where she needs it. Mentally. Crazy. She's crazy.

[Ronnie]

Kyle, if you want to do this storyline with Dorit, you're gonna. You're gonna need to bring in a pro. And I highly recommend you call up Heather debrow, because she's the Only one who's really good at doing the mental health gaslight. She really is.

[Ben]

That's Heather Dubrow's bread and butter right there.

[Amanda]

They were.

[Ronnie]

There's been a lot of. You know, a question that has popped up a lot is like, should Heather Dubrow join Beverly Hills? I was like, nah. I don't know if it's really a. I don't know if it, like, will work. But if I had known that this season Kyle was going to be trying to soft launch a dorit is crazy storyline, I've been like, oh, 100%. Get Heather in there because this is her bread and butter. Butter. Because Heather would have sat down to be like, dorit. I don't know what's going on with you, but it is not healthy.

[Amanda]

And if you need me to call

[Ronnie]

a mental health counselor, I will do that for you.

[Jennifer]

So Erica's like, well, I'm surprised to see you two rooming together. I did say very smooth and a bad displays.

[Ben]

And then we see a flashback of that where something's like, oh, talk about another person's marriage. That's not nothing. You can't be such a wimp. Oh, you were doing it too, first of all. And Amanda going, please don't call me a wimp in my own home.

[Jennifer]

I'm not sure this is a good choice for Sutton.

[Amanda]

She's trying to repair her relationship with dorit.

[Jennifer]

So what's going on? Are you trying to stir up trouble?

[Ronnie]

Something brown? Well, if she is trying to stir up Trouble, that's about 10 times more than you're doing on this show these days, Erica.

[Ben]

Yeah, so Sutton says, well, I just want to Amanda to net know that

[Jennifer]

it's okay to have an opinion. But you shouldn't. You.

[Ben]

You should have told that opinion to dorit. You guys stop with this. I mean, I don't even like Amanda. But they're being ridiculous. They're like, so, Amanda, what do you think of. They're basically, what do you think about Dorit shit talking her husband publicly while they're going through a divorce? Who's gonna say, great idea. Fuck that guy. Anybody would say, it's probably not a good idea if you're going through a public divorce. Like, what the hell? And then they take that and they're like, oh, my God, she was talking about you to read. I know.

[Ronnie]

Amanda happens to be, I think, totally in the right on this one. I'm sorry. She was totally allowed to have an opinion on it. And she was, by and large, just agreeing with Kyle. Kyle was One driving the conversation. Yes, she had thoughts, but it was largely Kyle. And it doesn't even matter whether Kyler was there or not. She is allowed to weigh in on things because they all are weighing in. Just look at Kyle spending the entire season weighing in under its mental health. So Amanda's like, well, I fully believe

[Amanda]

that if I explained what happened and why it happened and how it happened, what I meant in its full context, that it would have been clear that no one was really talking bad about you, Dorit. She's like, well, you don't know me well, you don't know my situation. And if. If it was coming from a good place, I would have expected you to have sat me down with and had a one on one conversation. And then if I invited your opinion

[Ronnie]

or your advice, like, no, Dorit, that's ridiculous. And you can't complain about that when she literally just tried to pull you to the side to have a convers conversation.

[Ben]

Yeah, exactly. And you won't have it. And Amanda goes, sure.

[Jennifer]

However, when I asked if you see it, it seemed like there was a lot of placements on coil.

[Ben]

And Rachel's like, okay, Amanda, I have a question. Pursuit melon or both A, b or C? Tell me.

[Amanda]

We actually don't believe in pursuit melon in my household.

[Ben]

You're dead to me. You're dead to me. And not in the fun way. Not in the fun way. Okay, do you feel like Dorit openly talking about PK and her situation is not a good thing? And remember that I'm a woman going through this right now. So, like, what is your actual opinion? Let's clear it up now. Is Roger a monster? Yes or no?

[Amanda]

Like, well, I feel like I stated it. I've said it multiple times now, which is that I think it could make her life hard. And what about the fact that everyone. I mean, most people here share that same opinion, but you're the most offended that I have that opinion. And Drew's like, so you heard Kyle's opinion and you adopted as your own.

[Jennifer]

Fine.

[Ronnie]

I'm like, well, then why are you mad that she push it onto Kyle? You know, like, now you're accusing her of just glomming onto Kyle's opinion. Well, that's what Amanda basically said. She's like, well, I basically just agree with what Kyle said.

[Amanda]

How could you just make it all about Kyle now? This is about you.

[Ronnie]

Okay, well, this is what I said.

[Amanda]

Well, you're just taking what Kyle said.

[Ronnie]

And didn't you?

[Ben]

But I didn't adopt it. I Agreed with it because it made sense with me.

[Jennifer]

Oh, right. That's the same thing. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. I don't follow.

[Amanda]

Can you do that math again?

[Jennifer]

If you got half a dozen at the same time? I don't understand.

[Ben]

If there's 12 bookers and six peppers, there's still six booked papers left over.

[Jennifer]

Do you understand?

[Ronnie]

Oh, my God. She's losing her mind. Look at the math she's doing. It doesn't even make sense.

[Jennifer]

All right, not knowing it very well, does it bother you to read that she would speak to you one way to your face and speak about you another way? Kathy's. All right, can I. Can I just put this into sentences that people understand? Because this fight is incredibly stupid at this point. Is this episode 13 people?

[Ronnie]

God damn, I'm gonna weigh in. So that way, I present as one of Amanda's allies, even though I was talking shit about her behind her back just before. I mean, that could also be considered supporting you by expressing that this is not a good idea because we're just trying to look out for you, Dorit. Or are you too crazy to understand what we're saying? Blink twice if you can hear me, Dorit.

[Ben]

But it's different for you to have an opinion, Kyle, because you and Dorit have history.

[Jennifer]

Well, if a friend is coming from a good place and they say it

[Ben]

to you once, then they turn around in three circles, bend over, touch their toes, take off one earring, throw it behind the head, lick their finger, and

[Jennifer]

taste salt on it, then it's okay. But if people you don't know say

[Ben]

it behind your back, then it starts

[Jennifer]

to feel like they're no longer looking out for you.

[Ben]

Do you understand the rules?

[Ronnie]

You know what it is, everyone? I think when somebody doesn't know someone, you've just got to learn to read the room and know your place, which was this, like. It was like, a hilarious thing that Kathy just, like, comes in as basically, like, yeah, everyone just shut up. Especially you, Amanda. But I do have to say, like, yeah, Kathy's actually right. You do have to read the room and know your place. But also, I just don't think what Amanda said was abhorrent. She said so many worse things and so many more obnoxious things all season long. And I think, honestly, that's what they're coming for her for. I think she's just annoying to them, and they. They just need to have something that they can come hard at her for because they don't want to be shallow. Enough to be like, you're just super annoying. Because. Because she just was having a conversation with Kyle, and she was like, yeah, it's probably not a good idea to say those things about your ex. I think you're allowed to say that. It's not the biggest crime in the world. Dorit probably doesn't want to hear it, but it's honestly probably true, too.

[Ben]

Well, it's not that she said it. I think it's just how she's dealing with the aftermath of it that's just so stupid, because all she really had to say was that, like, listen, I didn't. You know, I don't know you. I. I was asked my opinion. I gave it.

[Jennifer]

But.

[Ben]

But best to you. I meant you no offense. I'm sorry. That's it. But her being like, but it wasn't even me, but, like, why are you yelling at me? But it was Kyle who did it. But then why can everyone else say it? But I have experience, because one time I knew somebody, like, who had a con, and the kid talking bad about. It's like, she's doing this, like, childish. Like, she's just annoying, you know, and she. She argues for no reason, and she thinks she's better than everybody, and she talks down to everybody, and they're like, like, you're talking down to me, Timu. You're talking down to me, lady.

[Ronnie]

And this is why Sutton is telling her to sort of stand in her truth. Because when Amanda says, well, it was Kyle who said it, or I haven't informed, but it comes from an informed opinion, or even, honestly, the big thing where this really started was like. Like, oh, my God, like, it's the anniversary of, like, my. The passing of my child. You can't talk to me this way. Like, not. You can't talk to me, but, like, you know, like, she made it about herself in that moment. And so the pattern overall is, like, she is not really backing up her own opinion, and she's being kind of slippery about it, and the slipperiness feels like duplicity. And I think Dorit is feeling like you're like, that's why this feels so negative to Dorit, because it feels like you're having an opinion and you're being sneaky about it, and you're not being upfront about it. And when I try to act. Ask you about it, you always have something to say about it. And, like, that feels, like, untrustworthy and unsafe to do. And I think that's what she's responding to. But in reality, what Amanda said was again, it's like, yeah, she. She said it, you know, it's like, not a big deal.

[Ben]

Yeah. So Erica's cracking up and she's like,

[Jennifer]

if Kathy Hill, who's a beautifully put together woman who calls someone the F word in a bar, according to me, a couple of years ago and had a fit, was racist, is telling you to read the room and know your price, babe. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So everyone's just sits there quietly and just like, looking around, like, awkward, awkward. So Jennifer then pipes up, yeah, she's

[Jennifer]

like, kathy's the peacemaker, but it shut everybody up. She must. If she must have really got under her skin. Speaking of skin, I can't wait to get my boobies on the table and take a thirst trap with the chicken,

[Amanda]

guys. But what about the fact that this is an informed opinion? Like, I've worked closely with, like, a lot of children of divorced parents as a therapist.

[Ronnie]

Rolls her eyes.

[Amanda]

And I did see parents talking bad about each other, which made things harder on the family.

[Ben]

But she's not talking about PK to her kids. She's talking about them to us. So that's different. Natalie's like, yeah, and you're not her therapist. You're her friend at a dinner table. So maybe you could put it in a friendship box and not in a therapeutic box. Okay.

[Ronnie]

And I want someone to put something in my box. I'm Natalie and sexually liberated.

[Ben]

Speaking of boxes, that therapist really did a number on mine. Massage therapist, I mean. Okay, Natalie. Okay. So, Dorit, what do you need from Amanda right now?

[Jennifer]

She's like, I don't need anything. Quail, you're not the therapist. Okay, I don't need anything. She's shut up, Coyle.

[Ben]

Because I was like, but do you want for anything? Like maybe an apology?

[Jennifer]

I don't need anything.

[Ben]

Okay, well, let me ask you this. When you brought up the cold the other night at dinner, was it your intention by going back 357 blog posts to a post I wrote 14 years ago?

[Ronnie]

I like, Kathy goes, well, if I was annoyed with someone, I'd do a deep dive. Yeah, for sure. Rich is like, definitely wasn't.357 blog posts back. Like, I die at that exaggeration.

[Ben]

I looked at the site. It was like on page four.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, Like, I was so bored. I was like, thank God this showed up quickly's like, it's called Google or

[Amanda]

as they call it here, Google.

[Ronnie]

So Amanda's like, if you search Amanda Francis Cult. Cult Amanda Francis, it doesn't come up I checked. Which is girl.

[Ben]

It sure does. It sure does.

[Ronnie]

Amanda's not aware of, like, algorithms, apparently. I remember one time when in the blogging days I searched for something and, like, my blog came up first and I was like, oh, my God, I've gone viral because, like, I'm the first search result. But it's like I was the first search result because the algorithm was tailored towards me. So of course it's a good show me thing. So, like, Amanda being like, like, thinking that her search results are, like, the norm for everyone else is hilarious to me.

[Ben]

That's like when Jax from the Valley posted, like, oh, my God. I'm like, I'm trending on Google and they're like, jax, that's your personal. It's your personal page.

[Ronnie]

Amanda probably hit hide enough times on the cult news that like or whatever she did that it went down. But for everyone else, it's like, right up there.

[Ben]

Congratulations, you've reached the end of part one of a two part recap for part two. Go look for the recap that says part two. See you over there, suckers.

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[Amanda]

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