#3260 RHOBH S15E13 Part Two: Madame Butterfly AF

Summary

Watch What Crappens: RHOBH S15E13 Part Two: Madame Butterfly AF (#3260 – March 13, 2026)
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

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Episode Overview

Ben and Ronnie tackle Part Two of their recap of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season 15, Episode 13, sinking their comedic teeth into all things cult-related and the ongoing Amanda Francis saga. While riffing on Bravo’s current state, they parse out the ongoing “cult” storyline, the group dynamics in Florence, and give their now-signature tongue-in-cheek advice for revamping RHOBH. This episode is packed with lively banter, memorable one-liners, and a dose of loving exasperation for the franchise’s trajectory.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The “Cult” Storyline: Amanda Francis Confronts Her Past

(01:59 – 11:00)

• Amanda’s Cult Backstory:

  • Amanda recounts her experience with a youth pastor-led church that grew isolating and controlling.
  • The podcasters repeatedly mock the vagueness and “low stakes” of Amanda’s ‘cult’ experience.
    • "You need a better pitch for your cult, because this doesn’t sound too bad." – Dorit (Ben) [06:43]
    • “It’s like Delta Comfort Plus. Not really business class, but a little something. A little touch of cult, you know?” – Ronnie [06:51]
  • Ongoing jokes about Hollywood’s and Netflix’s more “serious” cult stories.
    • “Cults in Hollywood are old news. Like, this better be a good cult.” – Ronnie [03:59]

• Cultural Comparisons:

  • Hosts and Housewives compare Amanda’s cult to infamous examples like Heaven’s Gate, Branch Davidian, Wild Wild Country, and Mother God.
    • “I never heard about this one [Mother God]. Did you know about this one?” – Ronnie [08:15]
    • “There was Branch Davidian, there was Nexium, there was Wild Wild Country. All I thought was a good one.” – Ronnie [08:22]

2. Amanda’s Exit & Book Pitch

(13:46 – 19:27)

• Amanda’s Escape:

  • She claims to have left her “cult” by running away in the middle of the night, but the fallout was anticlimactic:
    • "I called the place where the pastor was licensed and told him to leave me alone. And they did." – Amanda (summarized by Ben & Ronnie) [14:00]
    • “It’s harder to get out of a 24 Hour Fitness than this cult.” – Dorit (Ben) [14:29]
    • “That’s a cult, Amanda.” – Ronnie [15:20]

• Fitness Membership Tangent:

  • The hosts comically compare leaving a real cult to their own hilarious struggles with stubborn gym memberships.

• Amanda’s Announcement:

  • Amanda announces plans to write a book about her cult experience while in Italy—eliciting collective groans and eyerolls from Housewives and hosts alike:
    • "I believe that when you’re open in life, you get exactly what you need… we are gonna capitalize on it. We’re gonna write the book. Thank you, Dorit. Bless her and her ghostwriter." – Amanda (Ben & Ronnie summarizing) [19:00]

3. Amanda’s “Cult-y” Instagram Affirmations

(19:27 – 21:08)

• Mocking Amanda’s Messaging:
  • Dorit (Ben) plays Amanda’s affirmation-filled Instagram video, which is lampooned for being more cult-like than the cult Amanda left.
    • “She could not sound more like a cult leader than she does in this moment.” – Ronnie [20:51]
  • Dig at Amanda’s “pricing” for self-help:
    • "Here’s what you get. $15,000 to journal. Like, no. No, ma’am.” – Dorit (Ben) [21:08]

4. The Florence Group Dynamic & “Who’s Rooming With Amanda?”

(21:23 – 22:18)

• Housewives React:
  • The group comments on the mildness of sharing a room with Amanda and her everyday habits (Taylor Swift, readiness).
  • Erica is disgusted at the mention of listening to 'Anti-Hero' four times in a row.
    • “We listened to Anti-Hero four times in a row.” – Dorit [21:53]

5. Amanda’s Social Standing, Strategy Seminars & Stirring Drama

(24:15 – 27:56)

• Kyle’s Coaching Session:
  • Kyle counsels Amanda on how to respond to being judged and confronting Dorit.
  • Sutton and Kyle try (with palpable frustration) to weaponize Amanda.
    • “It’s like deciding to arm somebody but thinking of it as giving them, like, a floppy foam sword… She’s not a good weapon.” – Dorit (Ben) [26:31]
    • “They just have a Trojan condom.” – Ronnie [26:53]
  • Quotes and advice to Amanda, e.g.:
    • "You can’t make a cat a dog.” – Sutton [27:19]

6. Rachel’s Family (and Prosciutto Melon) Crisis

(27:56 – 34:14)

• Family Drama:
  • Rachel deals with her ex introducing a girlfriend to her kids without consent, relayed with typical hyperbolic flair.
    • “This is absolute blatant disrespect, disregard for the family dynamic… All I can think about now is, how do I get home? Is there prosciutto melon on the plane?” – Ronnie [34:14]
  • More side jokes about luxury, discomfort, and being constantly inconvenienced.

7. Critique of RHOBH’s Casting & the Franchise’s Future

(35:18 – 41:36)

• Desperate for New Blood:

  • Ben and Ronnie bemoan attempts to manufacture drama and urge a major cast shakeup.
    • “You guys need to do more. I cannot believe we're about to enter episode 14 and you’re still trying to get Amanda to fight with Dorit… Give me a break.” – Dorit (Ben) [35:18]
  • Proposed moves:
    • “Get rid of Kyle, get rid of Sutton, demote Erica, get rid of Amanda… Bring in three absolutely bonkers people.” – Dorit (Ben) [40:13]
    • “I think Dorit and Bose and Sutton are all really strong. Although we need Sutton’s track, not Sutton… I think Sutton’s done.” – Ronnie [38:40]

• Broader Bravo Take:

  • Legacy shows (NJ, Atlanta, Beverly Hills, Married to Medicine) are criticized for staleness, while newcomers Miami, Salt Lake City, and Dubai get praise.
    • “All the old guard is having issues right now… The new shows are flourishing.” – Ronnie [42:32]
    • “I actually think that season two of Dubai was really great. That’s another piece of evidence that we can create something new.” – Ronnie [43:42]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

"People in glass houses shouldn’t throw manifestation journals. That’s what I’m saying."
– Ronnie [02:52]

"You need a better pitch for your cult, because this doesn’t sound too bad."
– Dorit (Ben) [06:43]

“It’s like Delta Comfort Plus—not really business class, but a little something. A little touch of cult, you know?”
– Ronnie [06:51]

“It’s harder to get out of a 24 Hour Fitness than this cult.”
– Dorit (Ben) [14:29]

“Seriously, [Amanda]'s desperately clinging to 2017. She’s like, ‘Guys, I’m gonna name everything AF. It’s so cool.’"
– Ronnie [23:15]

“She could not sound more like a cult leader than she does in this moment.”
– Ronnie [20:51]

"It’s like deciding to arm somebody but thinking of it as giving them, like, a floppy foam sword… She’s not a good weapon."
– Dorit (Ben) [26:31]

“All the old guard is having issues right now… The new shows are flourishing.”
– Ronnie [42:32]

“Get rid of Kyle, get rid of Sutton, demote Erica, get rid of Amanda… Bring in three absolutely bonkers people.”
– Dorit (Ben) [40:13]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Amanda explains her “cult” story & group’s reaction: 01:59–11:00
• Amanda’s escape and fitness membership tangent: 13:46–16:49
• Amanda’s book pitch, Instagram affirmations, and group annoyance: 17:40–21:08
• Discussion of roommate dynamics and rooming with Amanda: 21:23–22:18
• Kyle and Sutton’s “strategy seminar” for Amanda: 24:15–27:56
• Rachel’s family drama & prosciutto melon meltdown: 27:56–34:14
• Hosts’ major cast shakeup suggestions and RHOBH critique: 35:18–41:36
• State of Bravo and legacy vs. new franchises: 41:36–44:10

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Tone & Style

• Witty, irreverent, and sarcastic.
• Plenty of affectionate mocking and “inside joke” energy for Bravo superfans.
• Playful exaggeration and quippy recaps with a “we mock because we love” attitude.

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Overall Takeaway

The hosts skewer Amanda’s “cult” experience as dramatically underwhelming, mock her self-help persona as genuinely more culty than the cult itself, and bemoan the RHOBH cast’s inability to generate real drama. In their loving but critical style, Ben and Ronnie call for a hard reboot of the franchise—recommending fresh, wild personas to revive Beverly Hills, while celebrating newer, riskier Bravo projects. If you love Bravo snark and can hang with meta-podcasting, this episode’s for you.

Transcript

[Ronnie]

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[Dorit]

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[Ronnie]

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[Dorit]

While it happens,

[Ronnie]

who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Hi everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that. Let's get right back into the episode.

[Dorit]

So Bubs is like, well, but it. It does come up. It does come up. And is it something to be hidden? Is that why? Why is it. Why? Why do you want to h. She didn't hide it. It's in her blog post. That's the point. And Bo is like, okay, there's no problem if it's there on purpose. So what are we even talking about? She's like, it just felt like a deep dive to get dirt on me. Well, I mean, you should take it as a compliment because I don't usually Google anyone. But you said you've sold hundreds of thousands of books. So I went to research a book. Amanda Francis cooled as.

[Ronnie]

But like, cult is like a serious word because, like, the moment you say cult, you then have to say Gaia and like, literally, who would wear that? Like, so gross.

[Dorit]

Absolutely. Meaning the criteria for a call in the environment has to be unique, controlling systems of reward and punishment. I get it. I researched it before. I said that I was in a cold so that I was more credible. When I said that I was in

[Ronnie]

a call, by the way, Amanda, complaining that they were potentially doing a deep dive or like, doing research on her to, like, dig up dirt. When she essentially started the season telling Sutton that she had talked to someone who knew Avi and that Avi was talking shit about. Suddenly, like, don't. People in glass houses shouldn't throw manifestation journals? That's what I'm saying.

[Dorit]

She didn't Google. She just went to a gay bar.

[Ronnie]

She went to a gay bar and she got all the dirt.

[Dorit]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

So then what was your experience? And she says, oh, so you want to talk about the cult right now? She's like, isn't this what you're talking about. Sure. Well, the way their reward and punishment worked is that just. Just start up from the beginning.

[Dorit]

Go back to the beginning.

[Ronnie]

And so this Amanda's like, ah, okay. Let me open up pain for everyone.

[Dorit]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Just. Just to start this off right, like, the purpose of the cult, is it like, a religion? I mean, Give us the highlight reel. Okay. Logline it. Elevator pitch me.

[Ronnie]

Do they serve Bridget Melon in this cult? Because it kind of sounds amazing if they do.

[Dorit]

I love Rachel just being like, make this quick because I'm already bored by you.

[Ronnie]

The highlight. She's like, cults in Hollywood are old news. Like, this better be a good cult.

[Dorit]

We've had, like, Netflix has brought us so many good cult stories over the years. You. You cannot come in here with, like, I was Christian. Okay? So make it better.

[Ronnie]

So she goes, okay, highlight reel. Okay. Girl growing up in the Bible Belt, very close to her youth pastors. They were like parents to her. They were moving to start a church, so they recruited a lot of their church youth to go with them. And at first, it was like a church internship, and it was, like, pretty chill. It got scary, isolating, scary controlling. And I wasn't speaking to my family. And the more isolating, controlling it gets, it's like you no longer have words or language for, like, regular world anymore because you're, like, in this system that's, like, not normal. So, like. Like, you just, like, can't go out to the world and you can't have a conversation because the way you think and speak is, like, so not of the world anymore. Right? I'm like, that applies to every single woman on this show, by the way.

[Dorit]

I mean, I don't. I'm just listening to this story, trying to get the cult part. And Dorit goes, so were you out in the world at that point? And she goes, well, yeah, we had day jobs to support the church, but that was just, like, recruiting for the church, which let. So. So you did go out into the world. I like that. Dorit's just, like, squinting at her. Like,

[Ronnie]

I think if you're encouraged to, like, not talk to your family anymore or cut off ties, that does feel a bit more culty to me, you know, like, yes. It does sort of also feel kind of like, okay, you're just being real super religious. But there sometimes is a fine line between being super religious and being in a cult, to be fair.

[Dorit]

Well, yeah. I mean, look, I feel like it gets tricky because there are people who are like, but I was in a cult. And it was like this.

[Ronnie]

And it's not.

[Dorit]

I'm not even saying anything against that. I'm saying that Amanda in general comes across as completely full of shit. She's a drama queen. Whenever she has a problem, it's like she becomes this huge victim in a way. It's like, you know. You know I'm mad at you. My son died. Okay, well, we'll talk about it later, then. It's later. But you talked about it when my son died. My son died. My son over and over. And then it's like, okay, well, you know, don't be weird. Don't. Don't say that in my own house. Oh, my God. Last night, I had crippling anxiety because of the abuse I suffered at this. It's like everything she says is she spins it to make herself this huge victim. And so I think at this point, when someone's like, I'm in a cult, or I was in a cult and I ran away to the point where they make a blog post about it and make their person, their online personality kind of about this, it needs to be more than. I was in this kind of church where I followed the youth pastors, and then they felt controlling, and then I left.

[Ronnie]

Like, yeah, it just needs.

[Dorit]

Like, just for your own story, it needs to be more.

[Ronnie]

I'm just.

[Dorit]

I'm just giving you tips. As somebody who, like, is into this stuff. You need a better pitch for your cult, because this doesn't sound too bad.

[Ronnie]

You know, it is. It's like. You know, it's like Delta Comfort Plus. Not really business class, but like a little something. A little. A little touch of cult, you know?

[Dorit]

Yeah, it sounds like a touch of cult is what it sounds.

[Ronnie]

A touch of cult.

[Dorit]

So no one's really buying it. They're. They're like, okay. And she says, yeah, you know, like, it went. It got crazy as it went on. And I finally said the pastor, I was like, y', all, I want to go to college. But didn't you say you were, like, in your 20s when you joined? Well, I was 16 when I met them, and then I moved and followed them after ministry training, so I was, like, 19 then.

[Ronnie]

So when you're isolated and young like that, those are like, the only people you socialize with. Right? Like, because I'm just trying to help you build up the cult feeling of your story. It sort of just feels like you went to Florida. Okay, so Colts. Colts. Right?

[Dorit]

Yeah. Yeah. You're very impressionable. You're very impressionable. I was in an Eli Westerbest cult.

[Ronnie]

Sarah's like, when I think of cults, I think of Charles Manson. I think of people out there murdering people. What about that Mother God cult? You know, the woman that turned silver and they carried around a dead body around the back of a station wagon or something and wrapped it in Christmas lights or something like that. Mother God, you know, like that kind of

[Dorit]

so funny. She's like, the lighting turned silver and then they carried a dead body around in the back of a station wagon wrapped in Christmas lights. Now that. That's a cult.

[Ronnie]

I never heard about this one. Did you know about this one?

[Dorit]

Yeah, the Mother of God. Oh, yeah, that's a good one. There's a documentary about that one.

[Ronnie]

I missed. I missed that one. I mean, I feel like I know the big ones, you know, obviously the. The Hale Bop one. I forget their name. The ones that were the Nike shoes and they were like Heaven's Gate. Heaven's Gate. There was Branch Davidian, there was Nexium, There was Wild Wild Country. All I thought was a good one.

[Dorit]

Wild Wild country was a very.

[Ronnie]

That's a great cult. Yeah, that's a great cult. Because as I was watching the documentary, I was sometimes really on the cold side, and I. I don't often feel that way, but I was like, you know what? They were doing some pretty cool stuff. They built a whole society. Like, let them just have their own little world, you know?

[Dorit]

Yeah. What happened with that one? They just got greedy in the end or something?

[Ronnie]

Well, they had a lot of town gown kind of issues, meaning that the locals didn't like them and being sort of aggressive towards them. And so then they were sort of fighting back. And then it was like they tried to poison people at a salad bar in the town. Right?

[Dorit]

They poisoned the salad bar.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Dorit]

Yes.

[Ronnie]

Wasn't. Wasn't. But then there was. But, you know, the other thing is that the. The documentary presented them as this, like, very utopian society. And then the other side of it was like, no, they were doing crazy, like, sex orgies and blah, blah, blah. But also, like, let them have their orgies. Right. Utopia. Anyway, I. I somehow missed this one. I missed this. This Mother God cult, which makes me sad. There was America and the Carolinas, you know?

[Dorit]

The Carolinas.

[Ronnie]

What's that koolaid one? Wasn't that the Kool Aid? Oh, the gym Kool Aid comes from

[Dorit]

that Jim Jones one.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dorit]

Some good cults out there. Yeah. So you've got a lot of competition psychology. You can't just be like, well, I followed some youth pastors and had to get a job. It's like I need more, you know. So I think that's what Eric is saying and I agree. And so she goes by, you know, I mean, maybe it's not like the Manson family, but maybe it's a cohesive, tightly controlled environment. And some people are taught, you know, some people thought Bikram yoga was a cult. So you gonna do.

[Ronnie]

I don't really know what the point of Erica's. I don't know, but I know Erica's

[Dorit]

having the best season she's had in a long time. She's so funny just being there, commenting on everyone else's stuff.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, she's sort of like moving towards like just a queen at this drunk queen at the bar.

[Dorit]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ronnie]

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[Dorit]

And just emotional, psychic, psychological, but not physical or sexual. Oh, and they want the girls to marry the boys in order to. Well, I mean, you make babies right away and I mean, then you're stuck there. Am I right?

[Ronnie]

But do they let you leave freely? And the manda's like, oh, I ran away in the middle of the night. Everyone's like. And so Jennifer said, did they ever track you down? She's like, well, they tried. I called the place where the pastor was licensed and ordained and told told them to call him and to leave me alone. And they did. And I never heard from him ever again.

[Dorit]

Jennifer just goes, wow, that was easy.

[Ronnie]

She's like, I canceled my membership to the cult. It was very simple. There was a form.

[Dorit]

It's harder to get out of a 24 hour fitness than this cult.

[Ronnie]

Tell me about it. I'm still freaking subscribed to LA Fitness even though I've canceled.

[Dorit]

Dude, me too. I have 24 Hour Fitness calling me from like 20 years ago. And actually I had to write like a lawyer letter. I had to do all this stuff and I finally got out of it. But then they refunded my money and I didn't know about it. And it's like $200 that's been sitting in like the money owed thing in the state. So my uncle keeps going through to see if any caroms are owed money because he's a miser. And he keeps, every year he sends me an email, ronnie, you have money with 24 Hour Fitness waiting for you. But I can't get it because it's my old address from like a zillion years ago and I don't have anything dress on it anymore, so it's just sitting there. Texas has it. Thanks a lot. 24 Hour Fitness. You see, 20 years later or something, I still can't get that money back. That's a cult, Amanda.

[Ronnie]

Well, it's like LA Fitness, how I canceled my LA Fitness membership back in like 2020 or so like pandemic around then. And then I discovered four years later that they were still billing me, which is my own fault because I should look at my credit card statement more carefully. But like there's a lot of stuff on that statement. I'm sorry I got lost. I don't know what happened, but I, I didn't see it. But I don't have any, like, I don't have a paper trail. I don't have a paper trail to be like, I canceled it on this day because I went into the gym and I said I'm canceling. Or I called them up, whatever it was, I don't have the paper trail. So now I'm just like, I've been paralyzed because part of me is like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do something and, and like get my money back because on principal, this is terrible because like on principal this is awful. But then part of me is like, well, but then I just have a membership. So like I do have access to LA Fitness around the country technically, right? So I'm like, like, I'm like, I don't know what to do. And now I'm just stuck getting charged like $14 a month.

[Dorit]

You're still getting charged?

[Ronnie]

Yes.

[Dorit]

Oh my gosh. Well, you have to be able to stop it now. And you can still write the letter now and have a bigger.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I think I should, I think I should, I think, I think I. Principle is probably the best way to run your life. So you know what, guys? I'm going to leave the LA Fitness cult. I'm going to do it. Stop charging me about $12 or $14.

[Dorit]

Although that is kind Of Che.

[Ronnie]

That's what I'm saying. It's like part of me is like, if they've been charging me like 35 or 50, I'd be like, I'm out. But it's like a really good rate. So I'm like, I don't know, you

[Dorit]

know, like, maybe I'll be in the city with an LA Fitness. It's actually worth it.

[Ronnie]

My gym in LA is like a one off gym. So if I'm elsewhere in the country, I don't have access to gym memberships. But, like, do I really need gym memberships around the country? And then I think about it, I'm like, what should I do? And then I'm like, I'll just decide tomorrow. And then I just never make the decision. And there goes another $12.

[Dorit]

Oh, gosh, I love that. So anyway, J. Jennifer's like, well, I think everyone is interested in this idea that someone like Amanda with like five mom cars and really bright lipstick got it attached to a cult. But then she's like, but then I laughed. And then we're like, oh my God. And then what happened? He ran away in the middle of the night. And then she's like, that's it.

[Ronnie]

At the end of the Sopranos?

[Dorit]

Yeah. It's like, what? So Durade's like, well, if you had to escape in the middle of the night, surely there must have been some type of pressure. She's like, I'm happy that you brought this up actually, because, like, it really wasn't at the forefront of my mind anymore. But then I brought it to me and you know, like, I had a really great conversation with Erica and then I sat down. Guys, have an announcement. I outlined my next book and Bose is like, oh my God.

[Ronnie]

Bose is like this charlatan, this mountebank. So Kyle's like, everyone's just like, oh my God. Amanda goes, and it's gonna be on this topic, which is all kind of perfect. And I'm like, really happy about it. And Rachel's just like, oh my God.

[Dorit]

Rachel turns her head away.

[Ronnie]

She just moves her head.

[Dorit]

And Kathy's like, oh, well, did you ever to go back after you laughed because there was something that made you want to leave the system. Oh, man. Okay, well, I don't know if I have the stamina for this story. Oh God. Amanda is the most boring story I've ever heard. So she takes a dramatic sip of water and Dorit's like, well, if you're gonna write a book about it, you're gonna need stamina. Trust me, as I'm a book writer,

[Ronnie]

well, I can write a book. I've proven that. And then everyone's just like Amanda says. I believe that when you're open in life, you get exactly what you need. And I didn't know I needed a batshit crazy person bringing up the cult all the time to inspire me to write about it. But God delivered, and we are gonna capitalize on it. We're gonna write the book. Thank you, Dorit. Bless her and her ghostwriter.

[Dorit]

She's so fucking crazy. So did I send you this. Did I send you this social thing of her that she put on Instagram this week? Hold on, let me make sure we can. I'm gonna play it for you now. It's Amanda with her bright red lipstick and a hat, and she's walking around, and this is one of her positive Instagram messages. I bet I can help you raise your vibe in about 30 seconds. You ready? Everything works out for me. Money comes quickly and easily to me. Life is on my side. God is on my side. I am on my own side. I know who I am. I know what I do. I expect the best. I receive the best. I am the best. I create good in the world, and I get paid for it. I love who I am. I love what I do. I know my worth. I know my work. I know my role in this world. It's all for my good. It's all in my favor. Oh, just shut up already. Just.

[Ronnie]

Why do I feel like that's just going sex? I know my worth. I love my worth. I love how she talks about what I need.

[Dorit]

I know my worth. Know who I am in this world. She's walking past, like, recycling bins.

[Ronnie]

She's like, yes. Also, like. Like, literally the most culty things you could be saying right now. She's like, guys, I left the cult and I'm safe now. As she's like, she's. She could not sound like more of a cult leader than she does in this moment.

[Dorit]

Yeah, I mean, you know, the message isn't bad. Like, telling people, you know, you need to believe in yourself and positive thinking and everything. I think it's more the price list that I'm like, oh, off. It's like, well, okay, here's what you get. $15,000 to journal. Like, no. No, ma'.

[Ronnie]

Am.

[Dorit]

So, yeah, she's full of. So the Sutton's up. It's funny to me that everyone's like, why do you want to share a room with Amanda? Well, she's Interesting in this very wild way, you know, Because, Amanda, you have a very interesting life. Okay, so how is the rooming? Do you enjoy it? Does the man ever fart? Can't imagine they're ever farting. Well, we actually listened to Taylor Swift while we got ready.

[Ronnie]

Son's like, yep, having a great time. Having a great time rooming with her.

[Dorit]

Wow.

[Ronnie]

We listen to Anti Hero four times in a row.

[Dorit]

Well, but Erica was disgusted. She's like, oh, God.

[Ronnie]

Rachel's like, like, wait, what happened? Like, what? So Sutton is like. She's like, well, I just want to make sure that she feels welcome here into Florence with us. That's it.

[Dorit]

Oh. Oh, are you getting soft?

[Ronnie]

Something brown? Yes, I am getting soft. Kathy goes, well, she can switch on a dime. Watch out for sudden.

[Dorit]

Right? You're up to something brown. So now it's the next day, and Kyle's doing lunges in the driveway, and she's like, oh, my God, I'm gonna talk, like, jogging in place and stuff. And then we see Amanda and Sutton in their room, and Amanda is recording an Instagram reel. She's like, good morning. Have some exciting news. I am writing the God book, you guys. Maybe I'll call it, like, spir as or something. I'm not sure, because, like, everything says as at the end. Because that's my branding, and that's what I saw one night. And I believe in it. I believe in me, you guys. I named the book, and I've talked about it on Instagram. It's happening. Thank you, universe, and thank you.

[Ronnie]

I love Amanda clinging on to the as you know, convention. Just, like, desperately clinging to 2017. She's like, Guys, I'm gonna name everything AF. It's so cool.

[Dorit]

She's, like, hanging on to stassi slang from 2017.

[Ronnie]

I know. Seriously, she really kind of is, like, Even Stasi's moved on, so now Dorit's getting glam. And Jennifer Tilly goes. She puts on a mask, and then she takes the glass elevator down to the first floor. And first she gets startled by the polar bear that's awaiting her down there.

[Dorit]

That's a fucking polar bear right next to this glass elevator. She's like.

[Ronnie]

And then she realizes that she's actually trapped

[Dorit]

and she's in some weird face mask. Did you already say that? So her face is, like, coming off, and there's a polar bear, and she's like, hello. Hello. She can't get out. I just wanted a cappuccino, not the beginning of Lost.

[Ronnie]

And then we go to the villa courtyard. And I just got that lost reference. I just. So that we go to the villa courtyard, and now Kyle, on the heels of Kyle, acting like she wasn't totally, you know, influencing Amanda. Like, Amanda thinks for herself and has her own opinions. Now we have a scene where Kyle is going to tell Amanda how she should act and behave and respond to everyone in the group.

[Dorit]

Yes, it's the Kyle and Amanda. It's the Kyle and Sutton pep talk. So they come out and they go up to Amanda, who's sitting there on her laptop, and Kyle's like, what are you guys up to? She's like, I'm writing my book.

[Ronnie]

I feel like it's like Amanda has, like, a crayon, and she's, like, on a pad, just, like, making big pictures. I'm writing a book, guys. So Kyle is like, so, how are you feeling about last night? You want to be angry at someone? She's well, if I'm being really honest. And Kyle goes, that would be nice. I think I always am, Kyle.

[Dorit]

Whatever. So to me, the energy feels hostile, tense. You could cut it with a knife. And that's not fun. That's not how I want to do dinner. Like, that's not how I want to do it. It was hostile.

[Ronnie]

Well, then you have to make it stop. Yeah, but the person who can keep their chill and just say what they want to say is the person who has more control. So it goes, well, I would go crazy if someone went and found something and tried to make it really negative. It's not like she was saying, oh, this is all fascinating to me. Tell me about this cult. It's more like, well, you were in a cult, you weirdo. That's how it comes across. Get mad.

[Dorit]

So. Well, I mean, do you not feel like she's judging you about the culture? I mean, she's probably judging me. And so Kyle's like, well, and she was upset for you for judging her about the PK thing, but then she's judging you about the cult, so why don't you tell her? If she has such an issue with people judging before getting to know them, then why are you judging me for being in a fucking cult? That's what you need to say. Hello. Are you gonna write this down? Write it down. Write it down.

[Ronnie]

Kyle giving a seminar on how to be a housewife, which is hilarious, but also, like. It's like, it's. The manipulation is just so blatant. It's just right. Like, she. She has to resort to just, like, blatant Manipulation for this Amanda girl. But honestly, she's also not totally wrong, I have to say. So Amanda's like, well, and also Sutton.

[Dorit]

It's like they're both. You know, Sutton's like, I'm friends with Dorit now, so that's why I'm going to get this girl to yell at Dorit in the proper way. That's why she both trying to use this girl as a weapon. It's just. It's like. It's like deciding to arm somebody but thinking of it giving them, like, a floppy foam sword, you know, she's just not. She's not a good weapon. Get a better weapon. You're trying to train the wrong guy.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, they've got the wrong Trojan horse here. They just have a Trojan condom. So Sutton is like, like, amanda, I'm sorry, but you're frustrating me, okay? Don't let her steamroll over you. Only we're allowed to steamroll over you. Okay? Yeah, like, don't let anybody. Okay, I'm gonna get ready, guys. I can't talk in circles. Like, because you can't make a cat a dog. I don't know what you meant by that, but you probably should just go. It's not an expression, Kyle. That's not a thing.

[Dorit]

You can't even make a dog stop eating cat poo while you're trying to watch. While you were asleep on your new rolly TV in the living room.

[Ronnie]

I thought that was pretty iconic. Like, can't we make it a meme? Can we. Can we make it, like, a gift? That's, like, really unfleak. You can't make a cat a dog, guys.

[Dorit]

Okay, I'm going running now. So Sutton is like, well, connect with your feelings, okay? And share them. Share them. Why am I eating Cheetos? Why? God damn it. See, that was me being in touch with my feelings. God damn Cheetos. I still eat them. You know, it's just my nature. Amanda, learn.

[Ronnie]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God. Five alarm fire in the Rachel's own room. Guys, I can't even believe this. Pamela. Pamela. I literally wake up out of a jet lagged blackout sleep, and I get this message from Caius, and he says, mom, I heard you match with Amanda Francis. I was like, oh, my God. How did you find out? I'm, like, mortified. I'm embarrassed. Did you get to have your pursuit melon this morning? We didn't even get to have that. I'm like, it's awful, Pamela. So I want to Kill myself because I can't even believe I wasn't awake. And it was like 6am My time here. So, like, I feel I'm just gonna throw up. Like, time differences, like. Oh, my God, Pamela.

[Dorit]

Yeah. I get this text from Caius and he basically tells me, you know, his dad sat him down to talk about the girlfriend. So Dorit comes in, she's like, baby. Oh, baby, what's wrong with you? Baby, look at this text from Kya. Look at it, look at it. I'm sorry. It's hard to read because the text is moisturized. Just wipe it off a little bit.

[Ronnie]

Okay, you can stop reading now. Too much. The conversation I had with him, you know, I won't say his name. Roger. No, just don't say it. Don't say it. Okay.

[Dorit]

I would.

[Ronnie]

Okay. It was just to tell him. Tell them about the boys, about the girlfriend. And like, I don't. I said, don't bring her around without my consent. Like, I thought him bringing her to the airport before camp was the worst and I already annihilated him for that. Okay, but then the first night you're with them, you're like. You. Like, she. He brings her along. No. Yes. The first night in like five, six weeks. And like, this is what you do.

[Dorit]

Dad.

[Ronnie]

Dad.

[Dorit]

But he knows you're a wee. He knows I'm a wee. He knows you're a wee. He knows I'm a wee. He knew you're a wee. I don't know what you're talking about, but, yeah, he's a fucking asshole. He's a fucking asshole. Oh, my God.

[Ronnie]

This guy with him?

[Dorit]

No, he's at his best friend's house. So, like, Kai. Kai went without Sky. Sky and without Mei. Mei. Me. It was terrible. Who's Mimi? Just me.

[Ronnie]

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[Dorit]

This is confusing to me because she's already said that the kids know about the girlfriend. I mean they've talked about it on here, but yeah, I guess that's something you need permission for when you like introduce that.

[Ronnie]

Down sat them down. I was like, I'm gonna tell you, like daddy has a girlfriend or whatever. He like had like the talk and Rachel did not know that he was gonna have that talk.

[Dorit]

These men are so stupid. Why are they always in such a rush? It's like, oh, here's the new one. Yeah, this just happened in my family where the ex is like, hey, I. I know I haven't seen my kid in months and months. So I'm gonna make a dinner to see my kid. So they go and they're like, okay, I'll go meet you for dinner. And he shows up. And then the girl, the new girlfriend shows up. It's like, surprise. And they're like, yeah, I didn't agree to come. Didn't agree to come to dinner with you and your girlfriend. He's like, oh, why? Just a surprise. Like, what is. What is your desperation with, like, forcing this? Your kids don't care, you know, think about someone else. You.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, that's annoying. So dorit's like sharing your kids that with your kids that you have a girlfriend is such a finality, cuz you know what that does to a mother thousands of miles away? Not being able to sweep in and grab your kids and make it better. He makes you feel like a failure. A. A failure who's matching with Amanda Francis. Just insult to injury. Yeah.

[Dorit]

Forcing my kids to be in a situation where they don't feel comfortable. I mean, one time, K went to a school that didn't have moisturizer in the bathroom and he was out of there in two seconds putting up with this.

[Ronnie]

To me, this is absolute blatant disrespect, disregard for the family dynamic. And it's like the only thing that I'm actually thinking about now was like, how do I get home? Is there purshoot melon on the plane? Can I just get on a melon, wrap myself in pursuit and fly to California? How do I do it?

[Dorit]

There's no way I'm having fun right now. What do you mean? There's prosciutt melon here. Oh my God, I love this trip. I'm staying, Kai, I love you now.

[Ronnie]

I love her. They can come to me.

[Dorit]

So Dorit is like, are you gonna message Ruja? She's like, yeah, I already did. I was like, what the fuck are you thinking? I was like, did you ever take drugs? And you know what? If I ever took drugs, now would be the time. Because if I ever smoke cigarettes, this would be the time.

[Ronnie]

This would be the time. Thank you for that.

[Dorit]

If I ever. If I ever burned cars in the street, now would be the time. Okay?

[Ronnie]

If I ever provided cocaine to Lindsay Lohan, now would be the time. Theoretically, guys, if I had any vices, I would have them right now. Oh, gosh.

[Dorit]

So that's that. So Amanda is just oblivious. Man, I love this. This Amanda just being like, why? But now I'm writing my book in Italy. I just don't understand why everyone's so mad. But they do need to stop trying to make this fight between Dorit and Amanda happen. It's over nothing. Give me a break. You guys need to do more. This cannot. I cannot believe we're about to enter episode 14 and you guys are still trying to get Amanda to fight with Dorit about some innocuous comment she made in episode three. Come on. I know.

[Ronnie]

It's a real challenge. It's. Wow, running on empty. Well, I mean, we had fun. That's the good part.

[Dorit]

Yeah. Always have fun. And you know what? I always have fun watching it too, which is so weird. This trip is kind of giving me vibes of that one where they ran Lisa Vanderpump off, and then the rest of the season was, like, completely dull, and they went to France. Wasn't that the same season? They went to France and it was so painfully boring. And Lisa Rinna just kept running around being like, we're so fun. Are we having fun, girls? And Kyle's like, oh, my God, we're so fun with that Lisa Vanderpump. And it was just like, oh, God, it's painful.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. At least this season you do have, like, Amanda Francis being a total idiot. And, like, that's, like, there's stuff to make fun of there. And that once Vanderpump was off of that season, it really came ground grinding to a halt. But that being said, like, it is, you know, it's fun for us, but it is kind of a tough watch for me. And I just get mad that, you know, Miami is sort of, like, on pause and being reconfigured. Or you have Andy saying, like, well, we just want to get it right, you know, and we got these other shows on, so we just want to get Miami right. And then you got something like Beverly Hills just taking up space. And, like, this is a show that has really never had to have, like, a moment of, you know, like, reconstruction, you know, or, like, trying to figure it out and, like, rejiggering. And I'm like, I kind of think they need to do that a little bit. Like, they need to give it some time. Actually, they did have a moment. They had one time where they were, like, three months. They spent, like, an extra three months before they came back. But, like, let's. Let's. After this season, let's have, like, a moment with Beverly Hills. Let's just, like, have a hard look at it and see what we can fix. And let's let a show like Miami, which actually, in my opinion, required no tweaks, no adjustments, no reason for pause. Let's have that Come back because, like, there's just no reason for this show to just be getting a pass season after season.

[Dorit]

Yeah. But this show does have some good things going. I mean, the stuff that is good about it, I think is really good. I mean, they're friends of are great. Kathy and Jennifer, they don't, you know, have to do much because they're just friends of, but they're still hilarious. I mean, the most iconic thing from this was Jennifer in that elevator.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Dorit]

And then Kathy's one line from the episode is kind of the one that they've been using for the whole season and previews, so they've still got that stuff. Erica's been pretty funny this season. Dorit's fine. But, I mean, they're gonna just. They just need. Bose is a great voice to have on the show, but I mean, honestly, they just don't have anything going on. They need at least three new people who are absolutely cuckoo.

[Ronnie]

I agree. I think we need some agitators there. I think that Bose is great. I think. I think Dorit is actually kind of great. I think Dorit and Bose and Sutton are all really strong. Although we need Sutton's track, not Sutton.

[Dorit]

I think Sutton's done.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I think that she probably would be done. I think Erica honestly could be moved to friend of, I think.

[Dorit]

Moved. A friend. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

As someone who comes in who just like, whatever. I don't like. She's really good in this role, like you said, as sort of being this kind of side character who's just chiming in. That's fine. And then that also takes care of how the fact that she doesn't really share anything. And you can keep Jennifer and you can keep Kathy as all friends of. We don't need Natalie, quite frankly. I think.

[Dorit]

Think that's Kyle. Get out.

[Ronnie]

What'd you say?

[Dorit]

I don't even hate Kyle this season as much as usual, but I think Kyle's just tired and doesn't do anything. She's got to go.

[Ronnie]

I was going to say.

[Dorit]

And they have a new anchor now with Rachel.

[Ronnie]

I think so too. I think you can have Rachel as an anchor. I think Kyle and this is not coming from, like, a long standing, you know, like, oh, we just love to dunk on Kyle. But I do think that Kyle may be kind of at the end of the line for her. You know, this is sort of where Candy Burris was, where it's like. Like, you know, ultimately we acknowledge that Kyle is a significant part of this franchise, but she's just. She's Just sort of run out of steam. She's not really doing anything interesting, and she's sort of trying to stir the pot, but I feel like she's reached the end of the road, and I think that that's dragging the showdown to a certain degree. I think Dorit is still very entertaining and Bose.

[Dorit]

All right, so we have get rid of. We get rid of Kyle, get rid of Sutton, demote Erica. Yeah. Who. Who else? I think you need to get rid of one more to bring in three people.

[Ronnie]

Like, who else? Well, I guess Amanda maybe. I don't know.

[Dorit]

I mean. Yeah. Did I not say Amanda? Yeah, get rid of. Amanda's not. Amanda's just not funny.

[Ronnie]

You know, it's fun to watch her annoy people, but I don't think there's anything.

[Dorit]

Yeah, she's a good one season. She's a good one season. That one and done, you know, like fodder. Cannon fodder. So get rid of Sutton, Kyle, and her and bring in three absolutely bonkers people.

[Ronnie]

People.

[Dorit]

And then I would.

[Ronnie]

I'm sorry. I would say if we're getting rid of three, I would get rid of Kyle, Erica. Erica down. Downgraded Amanda and Kyle fully off the show. I think you could maybe give Sutton one more season. If we're getting rid of three, I would. I would say Eric over sudden just because Sutton, when she's unhinged, is, like, incredibly entertaining. And I think that she's just trying to have a quote unquote, normal season. And if we can go, like, get her back to being sort of batshit, like, that would be good.

[Dorit]

Yeah, I'm not giving passes anymore. I think Sutton's been really good on this. I'm. I've always been a Sutton fan, but this year is just. You're giving nothing.

[Ronnie]

So go.

[Dorit]

That's what I say. I'm not. I have no more patience. Like, you're all fired, all three of you. And then demote Erica. And demote Erica in the most complimentary way, because, yeah, I think she should still be here. And then get two. Three new wackadoos and have them mix with this cast. They need it. They need to do it. It's still the highest rated housew. You know, I know the ratings, but they are lower. They are all. They are a lot lower. They're still the highest rated, but they could be so much better, and they're coasting. So come on.

[Ronnie]

To me, it's very interesting that so many of the legacy shows on Bravo are actually kind of struggling. You know, new Jersey. They're having issues. They've obviously been having issues with New Jersey. Atlanta has been sort of having issues over the past few seasons. This show is sort of dull. Like the marriage medicine. A lot of people, it's been all over Twitter for this past weekend. The last week's episode, I think broke people, and people are just like, what is going on with marriage medicine? It's like Twitter's been like a wash in, like, remember the glory days of marriage medicine. So marriage medicine is having issues. Like, all the old guard is having issues right now. And the new shows, and obviously Roni is like a perpetual problem now. But, like, the new shows are flourishing. So it's kind of. I think there's something about these older shows. Like, how long do we keep these shows around before you have to, like, give, like, a full refresh? Because if they stick around for too long, maybe they just kind of, you know, die on the vine a little bit.

[Dorit]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

I mean, I still love them all, by the way. This all comes from a place of love. It's not me hating on any of it. I think it's probably the same for you. We love these shows. We just want to see them be their best.

[Dorit]

Yeah, but you do, you know, bro, we see that Bravo still has it too, because you look at things like Real Housewives of Rhode island hasn't even come out yet. And I know that's going to be good. Ladies of London is great. That's a really good one.

[Ronnie]

Miami. Miami. Salt Lake City, like Potomac.

[Dorit]

Salt Lake City had an awkward. It had a kind of a downer last few episodes, but I think for the most part, that was a pretty fun season, too.

[Ronnie]

I think Salt Lake City's like, a little bit in a danger zone of, okay, you guys are starting to become a little bit too self aware, too, like, self producing, but it's still, by and large, like a super, like, super, super strong show. I think the new Vanderpump rules Southern hospitality is a great example like that.

[Dorit]

Southern hospitality. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

You know?

[Dorit]

Yeah. So the good. You know, they're still pumping out some really good stuff, so they've still got a lot of talent around there. It's just these legacy shows and being afraid to fire people when it's time, you know? And it's time. Goodbye, Kyle. Goodbye.

[Ronnie]

Goodbye. By the way, I would. My controversial hot take is that I. That I actually think that season two of Dubai was really great. And that also is another example of, like, a newer show. Although season one, I thought sucked. I hated season one, but Season two was really good. So another piece of evidence that we can. We can create something new and we can, like, if you want to, like, wrap your head around it properly, like, Bravo knows how to, like, put together a really entertaining show.

[Dorit]

Well, I'm sure they all listen to this. They're all on a board meeting right now just playing this.

[Ronnie]

Thank you, Bravo.

[Dorit]

All right, everybody. Well, thanks so much for being here. We will talk to you a little bit later with ladies of London, the new Reign.

[Ronnie]

Goodbye.

[Dorit]

Bye.

[Ronnie]

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Let's get Savage with Laura Wildman in the study with a candlestick It's Leslie Peacock we're ride or die for Lisa Ryder Baron She's a whiz It's Liz Sarthy always killing it It's Lola Al Kalani Roger that. It's Marla's Roger the incredible edible Matthew

[Dorit]

sisters She eases our woes. It's Melissa St. Rose there's a chance of meatballs It's Rebecca Cloud she's our princess It's Rebecca Prince Maximum love for

[Ronnie]

Sandy Maximoska she's the queen bee It's

[Dorit]

Sarah Lemke we cannot tell a lie It's Sarah tell of son Shannon out

[Ronnie]

of a can and Anthony please don't stop it's solely and pop let's take off with Tamela plain strike a pose

[Dorit]

It's Tori Rose she ain't no shrinking violet Coutar we love you guys.

[Ronnie]

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