#3267: Summer House S10E7: Spin the Throttle

Summary

Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens #3267: Summer House S10E7: Spin the Throttle

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: March 18, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Watch What Crappens dives into Summer House Season 10, Episode 7 ("Spin the Throttle"), delivering the hosts’ signature mix of hilarious mockery, Bravo-obsessed analysis, and sharp social commentary. The main theme revolves around an extended spin-the-bottle game, various housemate flirtations and tensions (especially involving Wes & Sierra), Amanda and Kyle’s ongoing marital drama, and an in-depth, meaningful discussion on race, privilege, and representation on Bravo.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Spin the Bottle Chaos (Starts ~02:21)

• Amanda proposes a spin-the-bottle game to liven up a lazy evening, with the segment taking up a big chunk of the episode—and much of Ben and Ronnie’s recap.
• Ronnie critiques: "You guys are too old to be playing spin the bottle. Sorry." (02:55)
• The hosts lampoon housemates acting like awkward teens, despite (most) being in their 30s.
• Ben’s take: “I’m definitely too old to be watching you play spin the bottle.” (03:05)
• The make-outs serve as both reconciliation and shade: Ben (cast member) and Bailey’s lengthy kiss is dissected (“He may not know how to say I’m sorry… but he does know how to say I’m sorry by giving you a good, solid romantic movie make out.” – Ronnie, 06:46).
• Memorable moment: Amanda and Kyle’s “cheese-smelling” kiss:
  "You smell like cheese." – Amanda (11:17)
  "Like, that’s great… I have no problem with cheese smell." – Ben (11:28)

2. Relationship Drama & Flirtations

• Wes & Sierra: Ongoing “will-they/won’t-they” tension. Ronnie and Ben openly doubt Wes’s sincerity and critique his moping and inconsistencies:
  • “I don’t believe for one second that he sees her worth. I think he sees her as a stepping stone...” – Ronnie (60:42)
  • Discussion of whether Wes’s interest is genuine or performance for the show and the audience (59:58+).
• Bailey & Ben: Previous episode’s conflict is “resolved” with a make out, but both hosts sense inauthenticity.
  • “He just keeps repeating 'I’m good, I’m good.' But I’m like, yeah, but are we allowed to ask if she’s good?” – Ben (19:41)
• Kyle & Amanda: Their marriage remains a focus, with Amanda gently needling Kyle over his ballooning DJ side-career (“I didn’t marry a DJ, and now all of a sudden I’m the wife of a DJ.” – Amanda via Ben, 37:19). The duo use the cameras as weapons in their passive-aggressive standoff.
  • “They don’t talk to each other anymore. They’re only talking because there’s cameras there, both looking at the cameraman like, can you believe this fucking idiot?” – Ronnie (36:21)

3. Houseguest Roles and Supporting Cast Moments

• Levi: Noted as under-featured by Ben (“We’ve never had her give a confessional, have we?” – 10:10).
• Dara’s ‘Tough Chick’ Flirting: Dara and KJ have a “boxing date,” prompting Ronnie’s Boston jokes and gentle roasting (31:41–34:12).
• Carl & Bailey: Bailey reaches out to Carl, possibly hinting at a new connection. The hosts call out her performative approach:
  “She’s making all these kind of soap opera faces during what is—she’s very aware of the camera.” – Ben (27:55)
  “Nobody misses Carl. What are you talking... Carl doesn’t do anything. Carl just stands there.” – Ronnie (29:28)

4. Scent Wars: Marshmallow vs. Cilantro

• Side rant about marshmallow-scented perfume creating unexpected drama:
  • “No one likes the marshmallow scent. We all suffer through it.” – Ben (13:04)
  • “Do you think it’s like the cilantro bug people have?” – Ronnie (13:09)
• A funny detour but breaks up heavier recaps.

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Deeper Conversations & Notable Dialogue

5. Race, Privilege, and Interracial Relationships (76:00+)

• Sierra & Wes: The fallout from their public breakup is more complicated than Bravo-style drama, involving public reaction and racism.
  • “Everyone was always like, oh, you let a white man play you out on national tv… regardless of how we feel about each other, it’s the way that it looks to the entire world.” – Ben paraphrasing Sierra (77:00)
• KJ Opens Up:
  • KJ becomes emotional discussing the “pressure” and hyper-awareness expected of him as the first Black man on the show.
  • “Being the first Black guy, I’ve added pressure too… I’m thinking, don’t fuck it up, because people are going to judge you so harshly.” – KJ via Ronnie (78:08)
• Systemic Differences in Anger:
  • Kyle recognizes his privilege: “When I do that [get angry], I’m not thinking 20 steps ahead… immense privilege of being a white man who can get angry and know there’s not going to be an outsized penalty…” – Ben (79:40)
• Group Support: The housemates double down on supporting each other and recognize the need for more understanding and active empathy.

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Other Noteworthy Quotes and Moments

• Friend group tensions: “Is it over? Show just over. What are we doing?” – Ronnie (02:55)
• Mocking scene staging: “They could be in the same set for the entire show… we see them all saying hello on the same set again, like ‘Oh hey, how’s it going?’” – Ben (53:05)
• Lindsay as comic relief: “You know what? Lindsay is so needed for this show. She comes back on and it’s immediately alive again…” – Ronnie (64:46)
• On sincerity in the house: “I just think him and Jesse are both absolute trash. I don’t think anything they do is sincere. I think it’s all for clout.” – Ronnie (63:17)

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Key Timestamps

• 02:21 – Spin the Bottle / House awkwardness begins
• 06:41 – Ben and Bailey’s full make out
• 11:17 – Amanda and Kyle’s “cheese” kiss
• 24:48 – Ben’s concerns over Wes’s boundary-crossing
• 36:21 – Kyle & Amanda marital confrontation
• 46:34 – Friday car rides, Carl and Bailey “flirting” date recap
• 76:00 – Interracial relationship discussion, KJ’s emotional admission
• 80:21 – House supports each other, closing positive scene

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Episode Takeaways

• This episode balances Bravo-style absurdity (overgrown adults playing spin the bottle, competitive flirting) with sharp commentary—never shying away from real-world social dynamics, particularly regarding race and representation.
• Ben and Ronnie’s recaps alternate between affectionate trolling (“You’re cringe. In case the little voice inside of you isn’t telling you, here’s the outer voice outside of you telling you you’re cringe.” – Ronnie, 65:57) and moments of real insight.
• Ultimately, the personal dramas are fun, but the ending discussion on identity, bias, and empathy is where this episode shines and grounds the otherwise zany recaps.

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Listen For:

• Ronnie & Ben’s rants on "marshmallow scent" (13:01) and "age is just a number" Bravo clichés (52:07).
• Sharp observations on Bravo production, cast manipulation, and authenticity.
• The group’s real talk about privilege, identity, and navigating fame as reality TV’s firsts.

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A rare Summer House episode where the hosts admit: “Really lovely, lovely and important discussion at the end of that episode… can’t wait for the next one.” (Ben, 80:41)

Transcript

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[Ronnie]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Croppens. Hello, Ben.

[Ben]

Hi Ronnie. How's it going? Good.

[Ronnie]

Welcome to Wednesday everybody. It's Summer House and day. We had an amazing time at south by Southwest. You can read all about it this weekend in the newsletter which is free on Patreon. So go check those out. Those are fun blogs about what we're up to to what Bravo is up to there. Every week you can read them for free. It's also where you get videos of our recaps as well as ad free bonus listening as well as bonus listening as well as all that Discord server. All that is patreon.com watch what crappens and today is summer house in season 10 episode 7 makeups and make outs.

[Ben]

Whoa, Whoa. Wow. Makeups and make out. It's all happening. Very excited to dive into this one. So we begin with Amanda and she's announcing that tonight they are going to be playing spin the bottle because they're all just sitting around in their living room and it's going to be like a truth or dare spin the bottle. But I think they're just going to kiss so they, they get into an arrangement and buckle up everyone, because this goes on for the next 12 minutes of airtime.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, this is one of those episodes of Summer House where I'm like, is it over? Show just over. What are we doing? You guys are too old to be playing spin the bottle. Sorry.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

And I'm definitely too old to be watching you play spin the bottle and being like, and who's gonna make out with Jesse and pretend that that's fun? Have you heard his new song? I haven't. I watched it in silent and it was still painful.

[Ben]

I heard some of it, like, somewhere in our drunken south by southwest weekend, I heard a clip of him singing, and it was just, like. It was just so generic. Like, I didn't know you could be more generic than Michael Buble, but apparently you can be. And it's Jesse Solomon.

[Ronnie]

He wishes. I can't even believe you would say Michael Buble because that's, like, his dream. He's, like, going for that, you know?

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Wow. But, yeah, here we are. It's a makeout episode of Summer house. Tonight. We're gonna please been the model or, like, truth or dare. Spin the model. Like, oh, wow. So fun. So they do that. And Wes is doing this thing where he's like, I'm so sad about Sierra. I'm not buying this. You know, you won't even make the effort to take a shower and comb your hair. I do not believe you're going to make the effort for Sierra. And then he has this whole episode where he's really trying hard to get audience, I think, on his side with this whole, like, I'm into Sierra thing. And then we see in the previews him being like, yeah, but I've just. I'm gonna hurt her. And then doing the typical thing. The typical board thing, but I'm afraid I'm gonna hurt her. And then, sure enough, by the end of the preview, she's crying like, yeah, 100%.

[Ben]

Yeah. I'm sort of, like, over this. This thing of, like, I don't know, this, like, sad, sacky, like, you like me. You not like me. I kind of. I'm like. Or get off the pot. Okay. Or pass the lover boy. Whatever it is. Like, I'm just like, the little. That little touching or whatever. It's just also passive and wimpy. So Sierra's like, are you sad? He's like, no. You drunk? No. Okay, fine. So Kyle, he. He winds up, like, sort of flopping down on the sofa in a way that, like, it. Basically, Bailey winds up stuck next to Ben, which is her nightmare, because she can't stand Ben these days because he was a dick to her the last episode.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And so she's stuck next to him, and Amanda tries to make the rules where, you know, if married people or if people are dating. And Ben's like, no, no, no. That there's not different rules to different people. If you want to play, we're all in. And Sierra's like, yeah. He says nar nar nar just is like, well, how convenient. Ben wants to married people again. And Ben literally cracks up. Which proves Bailey's point from last week. Jesse could make the joke and everybody would laugh. I mean, I think that Jesse making the joke and everybody laughing is because he's part of the friend group. More like she's new here and. And also she likes Ben's awkwardness. Yeah. And to call back and everything. But. But still, but, but still it's openly mocking the fact that he wants to Amanda. Which everybody knows you do.

[Ben]

Yes, exactly. So. Oh my God. Amanda and kj. The spin. The bottle spins and the bottle lands on kj. Kj, who is still dating Dara, by the way, as revealed last night on Watch what Happens Live. So they. So they have like a cute little kiss. He kisses her on the cheek and then Kyle spins it and it lands on Jesse. And they. Hilarious. And they're like to kiss on the mouth. Kiss on the mouth. The kiss. And then Ben does it and guess what? The bottle points to Bailey. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

And they make. They fully make out. You know, they.

[Ben]

They have like a real make out. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

And he's a hot guy and he knows how to make up with you when he's wrong. He may not know how to say I'm sorry very well, but he does know how to say I'm sorry in the right way by giving you a good solid romantic movie make out. And it works. She's like, okay, I forgive him.

[Ben]

Yeah. She totally is won over by his kiss. It's just so funny. I don't know. Like, I'm just. I feel like I'm seeing him as a faker and faker person. The whole like, oh, I got actually so I get so embarrassed when you talk about girls and relationships. And I'm a really shy guy. And then he's like a shy guy but then is like has real strong dick energy and not like big dick energy. I'm talking about dick like personality wise energy towards Bailey last week. But then he like does. I don't know. There's something about the kiss coming on strong with the kiss that I just didn't love. I don't know. It's like, it's all like not that doesn't add up with what he proclaimed his personality as earlier. And you're the one who made the girl cry last episode, but now you're just going to give.

[Ronnie]

I don't know.

[Ben]

I'm going to give her a kiss to. I'm just over. I. Something is just not adding up for me. It's like, I can't put my finger on it, but I'm really.

[Ronnie]

I really.

[Ben]

He's like, really curdled for me.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. I mean, but you know what? Like, here's the thing about curdling. Milk is interesting and it's delicious and it's tasty and it's worth the stomachache. Ben's just boring. I'm not even gonna give him curdling, you know, things that I really like curdle. Ben, I don't really hate. I don't really like him. He's just some blah, basic dude, so

[Ben]

I don't really care. Yeah, so Ben is like, well, you know what? I hate her sense of humor, but at least she's a good kisser. So, you know, whatever. She's like, whoa, that was not a hate kiss. That was like a good kiss. I think my hand was on his face. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, she was rapturing during it. She was like. Like her hand was like on his face and she was like, it's all I ever wanted.

[Ronnie]

Oh. So Levi kisses Kyle's cheek. Sierra gives kj, KJ a peck. Jesse kisses West, Sierra makes out with Bailey, and then Ben spends and gets a dare and it's to jump naked in the pool. You know what? No one did. Let me tell you, in a group full of non model people, no one has that as a dare. No one has ever dared me to get naked and jump anywhere.

[Ben]

They're like, is that even dare podcast anymore?

[Ronnie]

Please keep my friends play. Please keep your clothes on, Ronnie. That's the games we play at parties.

[Ben]

But also they jump naked into the pool every episode. So it's like. It's like saying, I dare you to get a beverage from the fridge. It's like, okay, that's what I do.

[Ronnie]

Anyway, my friends, please spin the caftan and make Ronnie wear it at all times.

[Ben]

So then he does it. So then Jesse spins the bottle and it lands on Levi. And who is there, by the way? Levi is there. So Jesse's like, okay, I'll kiss Levi. Levi, like, who is? And then I guess he thought that said Lexi. Who? He said Lexi. Oh, where's Lexi? Like, no, Levi. Anyway, the point is he doesn't even Know who Levi is? He's like, who's that? Is that someone from production? Levi.

[Ronnie]

I know the audience is the same way. They show Levi and they just put up Levi on the screen.

[Ben]

Ding.

[Ronnie]

Just one of the arrows. Like Emeril's girlfriends that we never saw last year.

[Ben]

They don't even give Levi confessionals. I think I just was thinking about it that we're. We're like now seven episodes in or so. We've never had her give a confessional, have we?

[Ronnie]

Maybe in the first episode she's given confessionals. Just not very many for sure.

[Ben]

She's gone. Her.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, she's goner. So there. West is rubbing his foot now against Sierra's leg and moping. He's like. So Ben asks, yeah, does size matter? I mean, it's like, it's not always about the size. It's what you can do with it. And they're like, it's the motion of the ocean now west is flirting, playing footsie with Sierra, and she's like, uh huh, Whatever. So it's now Kyle's turn and he has to make out with Amanda. Or Amanda has to make out with him. I guess I would say so they do. And everyone gives them an aw. He's like, yeah, it's ridiculous. But, you know, it's just a kiss. I haven't kissed him mad for a while. That's all I needed, guys. This is all I needed. She's like, you smell like cheese. That's.

[Ben]

I would love that. Like, that's great. Like, oh, you smell like one of my favorite foods. I have no, I have honestly, no problem with cheese smell. I love it. And I would not be upset if

[Ronnie]

someone smelled like cheese, but you just went yesterday's recap. Talking about how you don't like when people smell like food.

[Ben]

No, I don't like. I don't like marshmallow scents.

[Ronnie]

Oh, marshmallow.

[Ben]

Did I say food in general?

[Ronnie]

Well, I guess I went. I took it to food. Like, why don't I want to fuck you if you smell like food? I took it there, I guess. But, you know, we got a lot of pushback. We took a lot of pushback on that. A lot of people use marshmallow scent. Did you know? I didn't know that was like a thing that people.

[Ben]

Yeah, I did know. I did know because I smell it everywhere. I 100% knew. And I embraced the push. I knew. I don't. I'm like, I'm going into this hot take. Look, I'm awake now, guys. I'm activated.

[Ronnie]

You are like, as rebelling. K.J.

[Ben]

and Amanda kiss. And then Lexi. I mean, Levi. And then Jessica's like, marshmallows. And I'm here now. Of course I. Of course I knew that a lot of people were into it because I smell it everywhere, and I think it smells awful. And you don't know how many people, by the way, to all the people who love the marshmallow scent, you don't know how many people that you walk by afterwards go, oh, like, it's not just me. There is like, I think that there's like a sizable population of people who are disgusted by the marshmallow scent as it goes by. I mean, every elevator, you don't know the look when the marshmallow. The person wearing the marshmallow perfume leaves. The way everyone in the elevator always looks at each other like, oh, it's like it happens all the time. It's not like. This isn't even like a hot take from me. This is a. This is. This is. This is a. This is. What do you call it? Not a confrontation when someone's on drugs and you have to gather all the family around.

[Ronnie]

Intervention.

[Ben]

Intervention.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

I'm telling you right now, no one likes the marshmallow sand. We all suffer through it.

[Ronnie]

I've never even smelled it. Do you think it's like the cilantro bug that people have? Where some people taste cilantro and it smells like. It tastes like soap, but then maybe some people, it's normal. Cuz I don't mind a marshmallow smell, but man. And then for you to, like, look at other people, and then other people are like, yes, we're bonded over this hatred of marshmallow smell.

[Ben]

Yeah, I like, now I have actually doubled down on my hot take. And now I've been like, and other people feel the same way, but it's honestly true. Jericho, really?

[Ronnie]

Look around an elevator. I have to leave it. You bunch of marshmallows smelling dopes.

[Ben]

I need to go find that backlash. Where was it? Was it on Reddit or something?

[Ronnie]

I mean, it wasn't huge. There's just some comments like, oh, my God, I'm backing out of the room smelling like marshmallow. Like, oh, I have some. You know, I smell like marshmallow. I love that scent. Or they're like, well, isn't it this Rihanna scent? It's my favorite scent. Or whoever made the marshal.

[Ben]

Oh, well, you made it sound like they were angry at me, so I got all hostile.

[Ronnie]

You just took it. That way.

[Ben]

Well, I guess it's been like inside me for a long time. I haven't really had a rant about the marshmallow scent ever in my life. So it just had to come out like you. The way you said, like there was push back. I thought it was people being like, I like it and everyone likes it. So I was like, no, it's wrong. But now that I know it's people being like, oh, I'm so embarrassed. And I'm like, yeah, you should be embarrassed. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to come in that tone. I meant to say, you know, wear what you want to wear, but just know not all of us love it.

[Ronnie]

Wear what you want to wear it. Just know that Ben is disgusted by your very presence and he hopes that you are swallowed up into a hole in the earth and never to be smelled again.

[Ben]

Because the difference between the marshmallow scent and the cilantro is that, like, I'm not going around forcing cilantro into everyone's mouths. But if you have the marshmallow scent, you're forcing that marshmallow scent into everyone's nose.

[Ronnie]

Okay, noted.

[Ben]

That'll do, pig.

[Ronnie]

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[Ronnie]

So west keeps kind of. Now he's, like, holding on to Sierra, like, touching her. Like, just holding her arm lightly. And Jesse's. Everybody's laughing at him because he looks crazy. It's like, what is he doing? And then Jesse laughs at him with his big mouth. And Wes is like, Jesse. He's like, I will you up. And Sierra's like, I don't know what the is going on. She. Then she tells us, like, I think it's very clear that we, like, miss each other. And, like, you know, like, we miss our friendship. And, like, I guess we're still attracted to each other, but it's just like this weird state of limbo. And, like, it's just, like, so disorganized and, like, crazy. Tara, it's very hard for me to respect you when you're flirting with this fucking loser. That's it. I can't. I can't not. I can't respect you right now. I'm withholding it.

[Ben]

So Bailey's like, okay, well, who's next? And like, okay, west and Sierra have to make out. And then she, like. Sierra drinks her wine and they. And west stands up and it's like, oh, my God. But the. No. So it doesn't happen. So now. So KJ's like, are we done? Good game, everyone. It's like, yeah, I'm getting aroused. Kyle has a boner. So he puts a pillow over his boner and skedaddles out of there.

[Ronnie]

That's weird. What was he getting aroused by?

[Ben]

I don't know, actually.

[Ronnie]

Someone was wearing marshmallow. I'm telling you.

[Ben]

Marshmallow. Marshmallow scent got him. Got him stiff. So now they're going to rally. They're. Now they're dancing club send it and all that stuff. And Jesse is singing something. And Sierra is not impressed. Same with all of America. And then Ben goes up to Bailey's room. He, like, knocks on the door, like. And he, like, sits on the bed next to her. So he's like, can we chill for a second? How's your heart? Right? My heart rides through the roof. And she's like, mine's through the roof. And I can't believe that we had to make out. That was really crazy. Are you coming over here to yell at me again? Because I don't have a sweet green salad to throw on the floor, so.

[Ronnie]

Well, I appreciate that. We were both dedicated. If you had said no, I would have been really offended. So I'm glad you just rolled with the punches, because I don't know how to flirt. I was just like, I'm not gonna say no and be that. Who's like, don't touch me. And he's like, yeah, double down. No, listen, we're. Okay. Listen, I don't feel good about yesterday. I was gonna come sort of check on you, you know, when you were crying, and then we all went out, had so much fun without you, but I just figured it's better to let it go. It's like, okay, well, you know, if you're still upset, you're allowed to be upset. He's like, no, no, I'm not upset. I'm laying here next to you in bed with my armpit showing, because I know I'm not upset at all. That's a man's international sign for, I like you now look at me armpit.

[Ben]

And so Ben's like. And, you know, he's like, you know, I just want you to let you know, I'm good. I'm good, I'm good. And she's like, okay. And you can think that I'm still a dick if you want, but by the way, the way he kept on saying, like, I just want you to know I'm good. We're good. Because I'm good. I'm like, yeah, but are we allowed to see if she's good, or are we just gonna just keep going? That's exactly.

[Ronnie]

Is this. Is this an apology or. It's like, I just want you to know I'm no longer mad at you. She's like, hey, I was the one crying. Remember? Remember how I was crying and didn't go out? He's like, no, you're forgiven. All right, you can stop crying and, you know, unknork, nork yourself. Come back out. Come back out.

[Ben]

So Bailey's like, well, I don't want to think you're a dick.

[Ronnie]

I just.

[Ben]

I just thought you were hot and funny. I really did. And he's like, well, all right, half dick, half funny would be okay. Although we think we all know I'm full funny and not dick at all. I'm no sky, right? You're the one's problem here. But I'm good. Anyway. We're good. I promise. I'm sorry. So everything's so. There we go.

[Ronnie]

There we go. It took a minute, but it came out. She's like, well, I accept it. I thank you. I appreciate it. I'm very having a very hard time flirting. Okay, Bailey. Okay. So they hug, and then she's like, yeah, we're moving forward, but the crush on bed is dead. We're just both passionate, and maybe there's sexual attention, but no relationship. I mean, there's just too much passion, too much fire for me. I need sweet greens.

[Ben]

Yeah, Sweet greens. So Wes fell asleep in the chair. So he woke up. Now it's Sunday, and it's 9:53am everyone's waking up. They're like, don't wake up at 9:54. 9:53 is when you wake up. So they wake up, and they're all sort of, like, hungover, and they're gonna shower, and Amanda's like, I'm gonna shower, and. Cause, like, I'm gonna come in with you. What? I'm gonna shower with you. No, you take a shower, then I'll shower. It's like, I'll shower with you. Amanda, she's like, I don't want to take a shower with you.

[Ronnie]

I got you a watch. I got you a watch. Bailey and Levi's room. Levi's so drained, you guys. And Bailey says, yeah, I managed to attract Amanda. Scream at me, and we're not even fucking. So what about that? So then Amanda goes to Sierra's room, and she's looking for a yellow top. And Amanda's like, didn't I fall on my butt at some point yesterday? And she's like, my ass still hurts from the fall too. Everyone's butt hurts. And we see Sierra falling at the winery.

[Ben]

We should also give. Since I feel like our days with Levi are numbered, we should give credit to the fact that she basically quoted Marlo Hampton when she said, God, this weekend drained me. Because that's Marlo's big line is today drained me. Which I don't even know why that line is such a. Why did that line go viral with Marlon? It's just remember that. It's like her viral. If you go online, there's all these memes of Marlo saying, today drained me. I'm like, I. I support the meme because I like it. I like a Marlowe meme, but I don't fully understand why that is like, oh, yes, what an amazing line. I don't know why that one's the one that broke through, but either way, I'm gonna give credit for Lex to Lexi for paraphrasing it on this show.

[Ronnie]

Okay, so then west is joining Ben on the Couch. And Kyle comes in sky time. And west is like, I don't remember anything. Which is, of course he doesn't, because he's on these shows, and they. They have this magic thing where they don't remember anything when they're drunk. I unfortunately remember everything. I wake up and I'm like, oh, shit. I just have the whole litany of crap that I did or the whole list of crap, I guess I should say, of shit that I did the night before and immediately start sending texts to make sure that people are not mad at me, like, oh, I'm so sorry, but hope we're good. I don't get this. Nobody remembers. Is it a curse that I remember things?

[Ben]

No, it just means that you drink responsibly, I guess, because you don't. You don't black out or that you don't lie.

[Ronnie]

Like, these guys, obviously, I think they're lying. Yeah, I think they're lying.

[Ben]

So Wes is like, yeah, the winery got the best of me. So Jesse walks. He's like, hey, is this a boys pile? And then in Sierra's room, Amanda is like, last night, Sierra, Wes was, like, touching you. He was, like, rubbing your back. Which, by the way, can we circle back to that? I did think it was, like, a little weird during that whole scene. The. The. The. The spin the bottle. It was one thing, like, when Wes put, like, his little, like, his sock, you know, on Sierra's foot, like, okay. And he had to stretch so far because he was so far away. But then when he kind of, like, put his hand and, like, was sort of, like, stroking the lower of her back, I actually felt like a little like, this doesn't feel quite right because you guys don't have that relationship anymore. And that's like. It was a little bit of an intimate thing. And I don't know, I was sort of surprised that Sierra was not upset about that, because I would think that that would be a little bit of, like, a boundary crossing. So I just want to clock that because I thought that was a little, like, to me, she just sat there

[Ronnie]

and kept giving him looks like, what the are you doing? So weird. Yeah, like, last week, he said, I'm just afraid to talk to you. I just don't know how to talk to you. And she's like, yeah, on purpose. That's how I made it. And so now I guess he's throwing his hat in the ring by being like, are we flirting? Or, I don't know.

[Ben]

I'll touch your. Your non love hand handle, you know,

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I don't know that it needs to be like a whole. You've crossed boundaries. But I would at least like her to, like, move her his hand away or positions.

[Ben]

Because, like, I just felt like. I don't know. It wasn't. I'm not gonna be like, it was a violation. I'm just like, no. I felt like that was like a little like. I don't know if I would have done that. I don't know. I just felt like, yeah, Wes, I think you should take your hands off that. I just don't.

[Ronnie]

So Kyle's like, what's the last thing you remember, Wes? Well, I remember the bottle spinning around, but I don't remember you guys. Just a boy. Boy, guys. A boy with a white claw. Just like you were, like, grabbing Sierra's leg the whole game. Wow.

[Ben]

Yeah. That's crazy. And he's like, oh, no. Oh, stop. So then Amanda's like, maybe you've been too nice to him. Have you ever thought berating him every time you see him? She's like, well, I think that's it. I've just been too nice. So Wes tells us, and they start

[Ronnie]

laughing because clearly she's not been too nice to Wes. She's like, yeah, yeah. I'm sure that's every guy in this house's problem. I'm just too nice.

[Ben]

So Wes is like, yeah, there's. He tells us there's always, like, a little something there. But I still haven't had that real conversation with Sierra, so I don't really, like, truly know anything, but, like, maybe she's at a point where, like, this is something, but, like, I don't know. Well, thanks for sharing, Wes. That was great. That. Very insightful.

[Ronnie]

He's from. He's so romantic. Now everybody is getting ready to leave and saying bye and all that stuff. Thanks for the makeup, Ben. He's like, oh, yeah, we killed it. By the way, I want you to know on your way home, you are forgiven. I'm good. I am good, little lady.

[Ben]

All right. Did you think that it was appropriate to touch my cheekbone while you were kissing me? Because I never said that it was appropriate. Okay, we're good. We're good. All right. You can have a nice, tearful drive home. I'm okay.

[Ronnie]

And now Bailey, my little theater kid on Summer house, has the most natural scene ever. She's walking down the street. She's like, I'm going to call Carl because I really miss Carl. I have missed Carl so much. I am going to call him. Let Me lean on this building and call Carl. Hello, Carl. And he's like, oh, hi, it's me, Carl. Oh, hello, is this Carl? Yeah, it's me. It's Carl. Well, hello, Carl. This is me, Bailey, from the summer house. How are you, Bailey?

[Ben]

Hi, it's me, Carl. You've reached my teeth. I'm not here right now to take the call, but if you'd like to leave a message and your phone number, the rest of my body will soon be here to catch up with my teeth. We'll call you right back.

[Ronnie]

Well, I did have a very long weekend. But on that note, I wanted to ask if you wanted to grab a coffee or grab lunch or something this week so I can catch you up on everything because you are sorely missed. She's making all these kind of soap opera faces during what is. She's very aware of the camera.

[Ben]

This one, she's like a detective announcing the. The end of the mystery.

[Ronnie]

She's like in a, like semi formal brown dress, like, leaning up against a building, like, hello, shall we make a lunch date or so now am I supposed to believe that Bailey and Carl are gonna date? I don't. I don't believe it. This show does not need to be a dating show. I don't need that.

[Ben]

I know.

[Ronnie]

I like it when they kind of happen to date, but now it's just becoming a dating show. I don't need this.

[Ben]

Well, you know what? Carl probably put in a request. The producers, he's like, probably. I'm on the sidelines a little bit. So do you mind putting me in the mix a little bit? Oh, find me love interest, guys, huge

[Ronnie]

plan for this year. I'm sleeping downstairs. I'm in the mix. I need a love interest. Make it happen.

[Ben]

Make it happen. Like Mariah Carey said. Make it. Hop on, Hall. So we get a flashback to two days ago to explain why the hell Bailey is calling Carl right now. And we see Bailey and Levi are talking, and Billy's like, I'm so sad that Carl's not here. If he was here, I'd be going downstairs and talking to him right now, just as you would, just gabbing, gabbing away as you normally would with your love interest. And Levi's. Levi's like, well, you can call him. She's like, no, I'd probably just start sobbing.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, he's really such a good person to talk to. Yeah, he's so nice. It's like making me cry how nice Carl is. Oh, my God, I miss Carl. I miss Carl. I miss Carl. I miss Carl Moore. I miss Carl Moore. I miss Carl. Nobody misses Carl. What are you talking. Carl doesn't do anything. Carl just stands there. Give me a break with this. I miss Carl.

[Ben]

Carl 14.0. He's in the mix. What are you talking about? He's like standing there in the mix. I'm like the wooden spoon when you're making brownies. Just in the mix. Oh, I'm looking forward, by the way. Hey, I'm looking forward to seeing you in the city because we haven't seen each other or much of each other other than that one time at Ben's happy hour. Remember that? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah.

[Ronnie]

That means so much to me. That means so much to me, Carl. I'm so excited. I'm gonna text you and we'll hammer out the details, but I'll see you this. Hold on. I have a call coming in from Levi. Who? Levi.

[Ben]

Who's that?

[Ronnie]

Jeans Levi. Hold on. Levi. Hi. Hi. Miss Carl. I miss Carl too. I miss him so much. I'm calling Carl.

[Ben]

I'm stopping right now. He's on the other line. I'm actually already starting to cry because he's a nice guy. I think he's trying to do a flashback to the band's singles party because he keeps on saying, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah. But I'm not letting him flashback.

[Ronnie]

He got flashback. But I need to flashback to talking to Carl because I was talking to Carl right now, but now I'm talking to you. And I really miss Carl. So I've gotta go.

[Ben]

Hi. Was that Levi? Totally. Vice the crepe all the way. So then, yeah, Bailey's like, what a sweetie. Now it's Wednesday and KJ goes to the gym and in comes Dara. So it's weird because I feel like, is Dara, is she a cast member or she not a cast member? Because she's not like in the house. But she gets confessionals. I don't.

[Ronnie]

She's working on it, that's for sure.

[Ben]

No, she's rising. Yeah, like, watch out, Levi. So Dara, they. They are getting to have a little boxing date, a little warm up and everything. And Dara's like, yes, my nice. He's like, yeah, did you grab your gloves? And she's like, yeah, I have them. I brought them. And the hand wraps too. He's like, yeah, I'll help you put them on. She's like, yeah, I need a little bit of a tutorial. He's like, yeah, okay. Huh. Let me give you a tutorial. This is how you put on your gloves if you're a lover boy. That's who I am. I can't help it.

[Ronnie]

And when she comes in, she's like, oh, wow, I see you're already gloved up. Wow. We gloved up with a boxing already. Wow. And she tells us, yeah, I was born and raised in Boston. So, like, I was raised to take no shit. Like, did you hear that thing I said about the gloves? I'm Dara.

[Ben]

Yeah, I'm from Boston. I've got the right stuff. Oh, New kids in the block. They're from Boston, too. That's just sort of like, who I am. I was a very physical kid, and, like, there were times where I'd, like, be sent home from elementary school because they said, she won't stop. Stop punching boys in the arm. And my mom was like, you get a boxing bag, and before school, you get to have a minute with your boxing bag. Which I like. Looking back, it was, like, kind of horrifying. My mom was also Melissa Leo, and she was just, like, really trying hard to get me into a boxing movie. And it never really happened, but it's fine.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I'm tough. I'm Dara. I had a boxing. I bet I had a boxing thing before I went to school every day. Okay, I'm sure.

[Ben]

So what you're.

[Ronnie]

I'm sure this little kid, she has a boxing. Her mom's like, here. Here's something to hit every day.

[Ben]

Go for it. Just like. So my backstory is that I was an unruly child and I got kicked out of school for being a total monster. So, yeah, here I am. I'm Dara.

[Ronnie]

So he has to, you know, he's showing her how to box, and he's like, I want you to just focus on how, like, I'm immediately coming back to this, like, right here, like, standing position, because you gotta protect yourself. Do you like that guy more than me? Look, there's that guy over there. Do you, like. Do you think he's hot? Am I bigger than that guy? Oh, my God. Let me get. She's like, yeah, you're doing. You're really hot. I can. You can just do it. I can just watch you because you're really hot when you box.

[Ben]

My flirting style now, we're not, like, trying to go full bully, but I think a little bit of, like, playful teasing. Like, I feel like it's like an initiation fee, you know, like, if you can handle a little bit of Jab. Then we can keep on talking, you know, and like that kind of vibe. I like that she goes, we're not trying to go full bully. Sort of implying that that's what she used to do. Like, if I like a guy, I just will bully him. But now I'm not full.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, that's her style. She's always like, oh, really? You're drinking before I even got here. Wow. Wow. Really? Starting it off right. That's me, Dar. I'm a tough chick. I'm a tough chick from Boston.

[Ben]

Hey, but this weekend's the party you like, if you would like to come, you should come and, like, bring some pajamas.

[Ronnie]

Oh, really?

[Ben]

Is that you asking me to sleep over? No, it's my way of saying the house is drafty. If you're sleeping on the sofa, you might get cold, so make sure you have some PJs.

[Ronnie]

Wow. Is that the best you got? Is that the best flirting you got? What's that? Flirting?

[Ben]

Now we. It's Thursday and I. Kyle and Amanda's. Amanda's giving a dog a treat and call the.

[Ronnie]

Hey, it's a weird treat, right? What is it? It's like a little bottle and you open the bottle and then you. What do you squeeze the treat kind of into the dog's mouth slowly. Like the dog's like drinking out of the top of the little bottle. I didn't understand what the treat was.

[Ben]

It was Craig Conovers Spritz Co. And they're like, we give you dog treats. Why don't you do that to me, Amanda?

[Ronnie]

So he's like, I'm a zombie. Sometimes when I wake up, like, even if it's after an hour and a half, I can't go back to sleep because I'm my own worst enemy. She's like, well, do you. She's. She's doing that thing where her eyes are really worse wide. Cuz she's like trying not to yell at Kyle. She's like, do you think that maybe you should like, be like, cutting back on some of the stuff that you do, Kyle? Like, like what? I'm sleeping? No, you know, like DJing. N. I fly to Dallas on Thursday for 12 hours because I got a DJ. You know, stuff like that. Well, maybe you could change things. But like, what? What would I change?

[Ben]

She's anything. Amanda's like, at this place now where she now is just like, smiles when she nags Kyle because she's just so over it that she's like. Like, I just have to laugh because he's so predictable. Like, audience. You see this, right? You see that? This. I'm not crazy, right? Like, look like he's about to fall into his own trap, right? Like, she's actually, like, entertained by this now. So she has a full smile while she's saying this stuff, which is what's so funny.

[Ronnie]

And.

[Ben]

And she's like, well, I don't know, maybe some of the new careers you've taken on, you could change. And he's like, the dang. Not only brings me probably the most joy out of everything right now, but also helps connect the dots with lover boy. Yeah, but, like, the traveling is always, like, a lot for you, Amanda. I just can't. Like, there's just, like, not a great place, like, among the various opportunities, like, pump the brakes, Amanda. Yeah, like the same.

[Ronnie]

This was. Yeah, this was the good. This was the good thing about it for me is that they're both. Obviously. Do not discuss anything together. They don't talk to each other anymore. And they're only talking to each other because there's cameras there, and they're both looking at the cat. Like. They're both looking right at the cameraman. Like, can you believe this fucking idiot? So much. Like, so anything you can give up? He's like, no. And then he knows what she's doing, so he keeps looking at the camera and kind of laughing. Like, go ahead. Like, anything to say. They're just using the cameras against each other, and it's so funny. He's like, well, you know, I haven't talked about it with you, but I'm close to signing with a manager, Amanda, and it'll help me book better gigs to pay more and, like, devise a DJ strategy. And she's like, well, how long are we gonna do this DJ thing for? And then he just goes, like. Looks at the cameras, like, really? She's gonna do this to me on camera, right? Oh, my gosh. Don't even talk.

[Ben]

After.

[Ronnie]

After.

[Ben]

I have commissioned a photo where I look seriously at the camera and wear, like, a little pleather jacket. You're really gonna do this to me? It's my DJ career. And Amanda's like, is there another part I should dwell on? Because he's like, you really dwell. You're dwelling on the DJ part. Well, what else am I supposed to dwell on? How about all the stress from lover boy? I don't know. She's like, well, we don't ever talk about the DJ thing. We've talked about lover boy for years. And I know it stresses you out. And I know you're always trying to figure it out, and I'm just like, wondering what your plan is with the DJing, but also because, like, you know, I'm not really roped into it. I didn't marry a dj. And she, like, smiles, looks at the camera like, that was pretty good, right? And she's like. And all of a sudden, I'm now like the wife of one, right? America, Right, Right. Like, do you see this being like a long term thing, smiling at the camera like, this guy's crazy. Right?

[Ronnie]

I love seeing when you give your friend advice and then they take the advice. Like, Sierra told her a couple weeks ago, you didn't marry a dj. Like, you did not sign up to be married to a DJ. You did not sign up to be a DJ's wife. And so now she's like, well, I didn't marry a dj, and now all of a sudden, I'm the wife of a dj. She's smiling like, thanks, Sierra. Ding, ding. So she's like, so you're just gonna be in nightlife now, Kyle? And he's like, well, I mean, I'm not like, buying a bar. I'm not an idiot. Looks softy over there, but you're gonna

[Ben]

feel it'd be funny if they just both started laughing. And that was the thing that healed their marriage is like, you're right, I'm

[Ronnie]

not gonna buy a bar without alcohol like that moron. And she's like, but you're just gonna be like, traveling and playing late all the time. Like, that's just gonna be. Yeah, like, that's just how things are gonna be. And he's like, oh, not only am I making money at any time, I'm not paying myself at lover Boy, I'm making money doing DJ gigs, but I'm also getting lover boy into venues that normally charge. And I just don't understand how she doesn't see it from my perspective. Kyle. Here's how I think everybody sees it. Lover boy is tanking. And instead of accepting that lover boy is tanking, you're using it as an excuse to go to bars every night, which you've been doing for years, but now you're adding the DJ thing and using lover boy as an excuse to DJ and using DJing as an excuse to keep doing. You're in a. You're in a cycle, and it's a bad, bad cycle. It's not gonna end well. So it's not gonna end well.

[Ben]

Like, while you're sitting here Talking about how DJing finally gives you the money. Like, because you can't take money from lover boy. Like. Like, do you have to say. Do you have to announce this? On the heels of explaining why you couldn't throw any money at Carl for his soft bar? You're like, I can't get money again. I don't have any money to get a supper. I'm not even taking a salary. And then the next breath, well, I got a dj, because otherwise I don't get any money. This is how I get money. This is how I can get some extra money in my pockets. It's like, so do you have money or do you not have money to give this off? Bar? Right? So he is. He's just talking about, like, oh, I'm paying for benefits in future. I don't know. You would think that would matter to Amanda. So he's like, I think there's. This is a. There's a path to making a very good living here. She's like, well, where do I fit in? Where. Where does life fit in? I'm just trying to figure out how much you're taking out, taking us into consideration with some of these decisions. It's like, well, I thought you could maybe be the one to, like, order some CD cases on Amazon. That would be pretty cool. For my CDs.

[Ronnie]

CDs.

[Ben]

I'll do that.

[Ronnie]

I would. I love that Kyle's still selling CDs. He's out there on the cases. You give me some Betamax. Some Betamax. You know, Holders. So Jason Gord, he's like, well, I mean, I get it, Amanda, but I mean, like, they both fight each other with wide eyes. Like, he gets really wide eyes and she gets really wide eyes. He's like, well, I mean, the alternative is just like, sit around here all weekend, do nothing. Like, no, it's not. I mean, we'll be doing things together, you know, because I was always his thing before he started DJing. She was like, you're out drinking all the time. And he's like, yeah, but you're home depressed all the time, and you don't want to do anything but sit around here and get high and watch. Watch Netflix.

[Ben]

But, like, why can't they find a balance? That's what I don't understand. I mean, I think they just. Obviously, Kyle doesn't want a balance, I believe. Or they don't want to balance. But to me, it's like, okay, dj, have your fun, but come back to me and spend time with me, too. Like. Like, make me a priority as well, because then I will support this fun thing that you're nurturing over here. But if you're just diving into it and then you're acting like I'm the crazy one because I'm feeling lonely over here, and then the loneliness is making me depressed, and then you're gonna act like you're the victim here when I'm the one who's like. Like, my guy is out there and, like, just leaving me to just sit here and rot. Like, you know, like, don't do that.

[Ronnie]

Like, you're just not compatible, guys. You're not compatible. That man is only happy if he's out being social and Amanda is home happy on a couch watching Netflix. That's okay. They're both okay. Just stop trying to make it happen. It's painful. It painful. So now.

[Ben]

Or. Or accept your differences. I have a. I have a very close friend, and he is an extrovert, and his wife is an introvert, and he goes out and he does stuff all the time, and she stays in, and they love that for each other. And she. And like. And she is like. She's like, oh, please, go out. Be with your friends. I don't want to be with them. Like, not, like, in a mean way. She's like, I want. I want to be. I just don't feel like one. Being around people. She wants to read books and, like. And they both know what each other needs and wants, how they fill their cups, and they support it, and they always come back to each other. But my friend always is like. That being said, the moment she sends out that bat signal of like, hey, I need you right now. He's like, I'm going home. Right? Because if someone's gonna give you that freedom to be out and about and do something, then you have to be like, hey, if they're giving the bad signal. And it goes the other way, too, if he gets a bad signal. Like, I need you to come out with me tonight for this thing. And I'm. I do wonder if maybe one of the issues is that the bat signals in this relationship. Amanda setting out bat signals, and the Batman's not coming back. He's not leaving the cave.

[Ronnie]

Well, I mean, a huge issue is that he's going out. She's. She's saying, okay, go out and have fun. So he does. But then there are all these rumors and people DMing her that he's making out with people and cheating on her left and right. So this goes beyond just, you know, your friends. I think that works because they trust each other. And this one, there really isn't any trust there. So, yeah, this one.

[Ben]

But I'm just like. But I would not be, I would not be surprised if one element of this is like, I'm giving you the freedom to do this, but you have to give me something in response. And I'm not getting that. And now I'm getting upset.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. She's like, well, I mean, we could spend time together, but it sounds like you're signing with a manager now, so I guess just figure that out. Okay, well, I gotta get back to work because the whole time she's been eating a burrito, by the way, she's. They're standing in the kitchen. This has been the funniest, like, eating of a burrito we've seen in a while. She's like, got her eyes wide open, just staring at Kyle, smiling at him the whole time while she chomps down a burrito. And then she's like, okay, lunch is over. Bye.

[Ben]

I also thought it was funny when she said, gotta get back to work, because I was like, what work is Amanda doing these days? I guess the bikini business.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, she works from home and does the bikini thing and the lover boy stuff still.

[Ben]

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[Ben]

It's Friday, August 1st. Oh, we're in August now. Oh, August, the saddest month. Because it means that summer's almost over and everyone's driving to the Hamptons. And we got KJ west and Carl are driving, and KJ is like, boys, boys, boys. Welcome back, Carl and Carl. Thanks. Great to be back in the mix. And Wes is like, I heard a word about town. Oh, really? What did you hear? A little date. Oh, yeah, Billy. I had a really good time meeting up with her. Hashtag Wednesday pancakes. And I wasn't expecting to have as much fun as I did, and I really enjoyed talking to her.

[Ronnie]

So we see a flashback to the date. He's like, whoa, I've been seeing you on your flirting journey. I mean, are we flirting now? Is this flirting?

[Ben]

Oh, my God.

[Ronnie]

In the mix? She's like, yeah, I mean, we are flirting, aren't we? Well, I think so. This is flirting, right? I think it's flirting. Well, I think we're doing pretty good at flirting. She's like, okay. Yeah, it's really. Yeah, that's fucking flirting.

[Ben]

Wow.

[Ronnie]

Fucking textbook. Textbook romance right here. We're feeling. It's oozing off the screen, guys.

[Ben]

The sparks. The sparks. Everyone, be careful.

[Ronnie]

Is a TV on fire? It's smoking. It's smoking.

[Ben]

Don't. Don't bring in any hydrogen gas, because there are spikes happening on screen. Sparks are happening. Isn't it funny to think that Paige's first season on this show, the entire storyline, was, like, her and Carl hooking up and, like, making out in a pantry and, like, sexual chemistry and going on dates? It's like, it. It just seems like. So, like, how. In what world did that ever happen?

[Ronnie]

How was a different Carl back then?

[Ben]

It was a different Carl. A different page, but more of a different Carl than it was. And it's just like, wow, how times have changed. Right?

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And it was still like, well, how are you going to pretend you're interested in me if you'll only take me out on Wednesday dates? Wasn't that it?

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Wasn't it, like, Wednesday, Wednesday dates? Here we are at a lunch date.

[Ben]

We are at a lunch date on a Wednesday. Yep. There's a. Ew. Grouse hasn't learned. Yeah, lesson learned. So Wes is like, so was there any PDO or. No? Well, I don't really know. What PDO stands for? Does that stand for papaya? Papaya and dry orange Peel? Because that's one of my drinks at Software. I'm just. I'm workshopping. I'm workshopping.

[Ronnie]

Sorry, is that a public display of. Oh, my God, I'm in the mix. He's, like, completely honest. I didn't clock Bailey in that regard, but, like, over the last month, I've been vibing with her, and I feel like depth of conversation with her that I really enjoy. You guys want to show that flashback again? I think we're flirting. Yeah, we're really flirting. Remember how you flirted that time? Am I flirting right now? I think you're. Are you flirting? I don't know. Super deep, guys. Super deep. He's like, yeah, I have a little bit of a crush.

[Ben]

Oh, you know what else would be great if it was crushed? Me. Put your weight on me. Bella, it's official. Put your weight on me. So then Wes is like, yeah, she'll probably for sure lay one on you tomorrow. Like, oh, well, she's not coming on this weekend because the producers always make sure there's one person who can't come. And it drives the audience crazy that we can't have the whole full cast every single week, so she's got to stay back.

[Ronnie]

So me and Amanda are driving together, and she's talking about how she went to her boyfriend Scott's restaurant opening in Miami, and it was beautiful. It was incredible. She's so proud of him. But it's long distance. It's, like, really sad because she wishes she was with her boyfriend. And then they turn to Kyle's birthday. He's turning 43, and Amanda's like, yeah, he's nine years older than I am. She's like, holy shit, Amanda. That's kind of insane. Why does he look like he's 15? Not even talking about your age difference. I'm talking about the man's genetics. Is he eating stem cells for breakfast?

[Ben]

What the. Yeah. And Mia's like, so I kind of get the feeling the last few weekends. Was it weekends, or was it years? Something seems a little bit off at times with you guys. Yeah, it's hit or miss, you know, I'm gonna just, like, put on, you know, a happy face for his birthday. But as long as he's in a good chipper mood, we'll be all great this weekend. So we'll see. You know, hopefully Ben didn't piss him off in the car ride out. And Amanda's joking. Like, I'm not trying to. My mates Mrs. They're really, like, amused by that line. So now Kyle and Ben arrive because Kyle had to take a separate car because his car needed to go into the shop. So that's too bad. And he's like, I love being the first one here, so. Well, are you gonna go. Gonna go to the rose? Straight to the rose, I hear.

[Ronnie]

So they're talking about how it's his birthday weekend, and he's like, oh, you know, I'm gonna do. I'm gonna exercise this thing. Oh, I know. It's called moderation. And they start laughing, and he's like, you know, my grandmother on my dad's side was always like, age is just a number. And so on her birthday, she didn't want to be told how old she was. And I like that. You know, you're like, you're only as old as you want to be. Age is a number, and the number tells you how old you are and how long you've been on this earth. Stop. Stop getting mad at descriptors. You know, just not reading calories doesn't mean that they're not in there. You know what I mean? You're old.

[Ben]

Tell that to Adriana demora. Okay? Adriana's like, how could you put another math equation up? Every time she sees a math equation, she gets triggered. She can't watch A Beautiful Mind. She's like, they could put my age up on the screen.

[Ronnie]

Russell Crowe is trying to get me. It's trying to get me.

[Ben]

THEY cheers. They CHEERS. Who wants actor age? Not me.

[Ronnie]

Not me.

[Ben]

Lindsay arrives.

[Ronnie]

Lindsay is so.

[Ben]

I love.

[Ronnie]

Okay, now, Lindsay, this is when you. When you're aging and you're fine with aging. Lindsay is, like, just going right into. She's still having fun and doing whatever the fuck she wants, but she's also accepting age, so. Well, she gets out of the Uber and she goes and. Thank you. Have a good weekend. Five stars. Hopefully you'll do the same for me.

[Ben]

She's one of those, which means she was probably a terror in the car. She's like, can you please pull over? I actually like this route. Please.

[Ronnie]

Okay.

[Ben]

Can we get a Starbucks? All right, give me this. Okay, Five stars. It's all worth it, because I'm gonna give you five stars.

[Ronnie]

I just want you to know I've got your VIN number written down in my pocketbook. Five stars.

[Ben]

It was just. It was just Aunt. Aunt Rhoda, she was like, okay, honey, I'm actually not your Uber driver. I'm your aunt. Okay? Ar.

[Ronnie]

Even Lindsay just trying to be nice just sounds so threatening at all times.

[Ben]

I know. It felt like a veiled threat. Like, if Lindsay gets a low Uber rating, she's gonna, like, go to San Francisco.

[Ronnie]

I'm like,

[Ben]

So Jesse is like, honey, I'm home. Any friends? Just cardboard friends. Just me. Oh, they're my friends. Because I guess he drove out alone also. And so he goes and says hi. It's just so funny on this show how, like, this is. They could all just. They could be in the same set for the entire show and shoot two scenes that are not on that set. And we come back, we see them all saying hello on the same set again, like, oh, hey, how's it going? How's it going? How's your week? Hello. They're all saying hello to each other again.

[Ronnie]

Zero's not coming till a little later. And so she's like, um, are you and Sierra gone? He's like, yeah, I'm just chipping away at her. No, Amanda. And she's like, well, good to see you. And if I want to make out with someone, I'll make sure to ask you later. Everyone starts laughing like, yeah, Lindsay, the ball buster.

[Ben]

So me and Amanda arrive, and Lindsay's like, speaking of wifey, five stars, right? Hold on. Excuse me. I'm just checking to see if my 5 star reviews come in yet. Hasn't come in yet. I'm getting mad right now. Okay,

[Ronnie]

so Amanda gets there and Kyle's like, how was your ride?

[Ben]

Great.

[Ronnie]

So they still hate each other. And then C.J. west and K.J. come, and there's a basketball hoop, and it has arrived. They're gonna put it in the pool, you guys.

[Ben]

Wow. Yeah, a pool hoop. And there, Amanda's like, hey, Jay, did you see Dara? What did you do? He's like, yeah. And they're like, oh, my God, look at that smile. He's like, what did you ask him? Like, did he see Dara? And they're all like a Twitter because, you know, it's going well and Cage is being bashful and he says that he invited Dara to stay over.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So then Carl comes up, he's like, oh, hi, everybody. Oh, what are my Chucks? Because I'm in the mix, right?

[Ben]

Hi, guys.

[Ronnie]

She's like, hello, girl. Well, hello, Lindsay. How are you? You have a new haircut. Oh, I just didn't put anything in it today, so kept it easy breezy.

[Ben]

Did you get your haircut, Carl? I'd love to see that you treated your haircut the way you did our relationship put nothing into it?

[Ronnie]

Great. Good for you.

[Ben]

Got your haircut. Not recently. Okay, that's nice.

[Ronnie]

Are you sure you didn't cut it shorter like you cut our relationship? But no, I didn't, girl. He's like, okay, well. Okay, well, just working on a friendlier relationship style here. Are you gonna give this conversation five stars? Stars. I will do the same.

[Ben]

You guys are crushing it. That was great, you guys. I'm gonna give you a round of applause. Yeah, I actually thought that was pretty good. It's pretty good. Pretty good. Oh, yeah, it was great. Yeah, it's beautiful. Lindsay's like, all right, I'm gonna go now. So then Sierra arrives west, sets up this pool hoop that he's excited about. He's like, guys, I made it. But, like, no one cares. He's like, okay, well, no one else is allowed to play in it then,

[Ronnie]

because they're not 12 West. Okay. For sake.

[Ben]

And then Lindsay and Sierra hug, and Lindsay's like, then I put my finger in your butt, by the way. I'm sorry. It's more action than I ever got with Carl.

[Ronnie]

So KJ and Carl are in a room, and Carl's like, oh, what's up? Well, how are you feeling? I don't know. I'm, like, in a weird mood at the moment because, like, you know, I'm really trying my best to be friendly and just be cordial with Lindsay. I mean, to me, her energy is just like.

[Ben]

I mean, I just don't know what I'm gonna get.

[Ronnie]

Like, yesterday when I got lunch with Bailey, she was explaining how she spent a lot of time with Lindsay over the last few weeks. And of course, Lindsay's gonna fill her head on everything that's gone on. We see a flashback to Bailey being like, well, we talked about you at the car ride, and we talked about you at lunch. And she probably has the same review of you that Ben has about me when we're gonna go with two thumbs down. Okay. What kind of date was that?

[Ben]

Was that a date? Stop flirting. It just, like, caught me off guard, like, some of that commentary. I just, like, I want things to be okay. I just wish I wasn't so sensitive. Come on. Old Carl's coming back. I need to be new Carl. I'm in the mix. I'm in the mix. I'm in the mix. I'm in the sensitivity, bro.

[Ronnie]

I'm literally the same way. I cannot stop thinking because I can fixate on shit, and then it affects my mood. Instead of actually being vocal and Vulnerable about shit. Yeah, I'm gonna try and get vulnerable, y'.

[Ben]

All. Get it off your chest, bro. Get off your chest. Oh. He's like, yeah, you already know. You already know. We're gonna have a great weekend. Yeah, yeah. Gonna have a great weekend. Because, like, I'm not sensitive, and I'm in the mix, and it's like, new Carl. And I'm like. I'm like a fun guy. Lindsay's like, so outside. Guys, I don't have a time stamp on this, but I know that Wes was rubbing your back, Sierra. And we see a flashback to that. And Mia's like, I have my own theory, guys. I don't want to break the Internet or anything, but I think Wes is in love with you. Like, oh, wow.

[Ronnie]

Where'd you get that idea? Was it the moping west who was, like, crying while he was, like, trying to rub her back and performatively being very sensitive person?

[Ben]

Was it because he realized this is the most gorgeous, wonderful person he will ever be able to meet and have a shot with? And he screwed it up so badly. And I actually don't think it's every single second.

[Ronnie]

I actually don't think it's sad at all. I don't. I still don't think he realizes that. I think he's just like, I'm on a TV show now. Sierra's here. I'm just gonna try and make something happen and get some camera time. I don't believe one.

[Ben]

I actually don't.

[Ronnie]

This guy.

[Ben]

I actually don't even think it's because the TV show. I do think that Sierra. I think that he has. I don't know if he's in love with Sierra, but I do think that he may be in love with the idea of being with Sierra. And I think that he sees Sierra as. She's a super cool girl. Everyone loves her. She's, like, universally, I think, really loved by the audience, by everyone. And she just seemed to get better every year. Every year, Sierra just becomes sort of, like, more and more of a star. She's drop dead gorgeous. She's just like someone that, like, you could. I think that he could see himself being this amazing power couple with her, and they would just, like, they would run the tables, right? And he knows he messed it up, and it's like, oh, I could have that. So I don't know if he's in love with her necessarily. Maybe he is, but I think he definitely is. Like, damn. I get to spend an entire summer with this, like, this goddess, and I Can't even. And I mess it up. And now I'm like. So I think that's where it may be coming from more. Do you understand, like, the difference of what I'm kind of like trying to say here?

[Ronnie]

I do. I understand what you're saying. And that could be. That could be it. I mean, I don't know. I'm not in his head. I don't see that. I see everything that you're saying about Sierra. I think that's true, but I don't think that he looks at it that way because I don't think he sees her worth. I see. I think he looks at her as a device, as some kind of a plot device to use. He was crushed by her last year. Not by her, but by the public reaction to what he did and the audience's reaction to how she reacted. And now he's just trying to. I mean, I'm very cynical about it because I just don't trust him. I think he's a fucking loser and I think he's a fucking user. He's a boozer, a loser and a user. That's what he is. I don't trust one fucking thing out of him. And I don't believe for one second that he sees her worth. I think he sees her as a stepping stone.

[Ben]

Well, I should say it's not that he sees her worth. I think he sees how she's worth other people, if that makes sense. He sees how it would raise him up, I think.

[Ronnie]

Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Ben]

I think we both have a sense

[Ronnie]

of he's using her.

[Ben]

Yours is a little bit more cynical, but it's. I think your. Yours is more also like. He's also using it for tv, and I'm not sure if he's using it for tv, but I think everything else I agree on, I think that he just. He's seeing her as this thing that's like, wouldn't it be amazing if we were. If we were together? And that's. That's the vibe that I get from him. So. Yeah, but.

[Ronnie]

Right, but you're saying, like, he's saying that he. He's. If. If you're saying that he's.

[Ben]

He.

[Ronnie]

He sees what they could be because she's so popular in this and that. I mean, isn'. Her.

[Ben]

Yeah, I'm saying. I'm saying I agree. I'm just saying I don't. I just don't know if he's using

[Ronnie]

her just in a less harsh way.

[Ben]

Yeah, I'm just saying. I'm just not adding the TV component. I'm basically saying I do it is saying it. It's a harsh way of saying it. I think it's. It's. It just. You know what it reminds me of, like, when I first started dating, when I first came out the closet and like, you message with like a super hot guy on whatever site like, like Grinder or, okay, Cupid or whatever, and you're. And for a moment you let yourself think, like, wow, could you imagine, like, if we hit it off, like, we could wind up dating and then I have this like, super hot boyfriend, you know, like, you, you, like, you have like a little fantasy and it can be extended to like, oh, it could be. What if the person's like a celebrity or what if they're like this wealth, whatever. You can just sort of have this fancy of like, wouldn't this look good? Right? And so I, I think that's like, actually a pretty natural thing that happens like a lot of people. And I kind of like, I have my suspicions that that's what's happening with west, with Sierra. So I have. In my mind it's not extended fully to the place of. And it's for tv, so we can have a plot. So it's. It's weird, I guess it's like a. Just. It's like a. It's a subtlety. So in my mind, I'm not saying that he's using her, but I do think that he may not be. Like, he still may be treating her like an object for his own self image as opposed to, like, just like, who she is and the person that she is.

[Ronnie]

Okay, so she.

[Ben]

Very important, by the way. I'm so glad we got to the heart of this. It's really important to know.

[Ronnie]

No, I mean, yeah, it makes sense. I mean, yeah, it makes sense. I just, you know, I mean, I don't.

[Ben]

I think we agree that just think you're trash. Sincerity may be the question.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, we don't have to agree. I just think he's trash, you know?

[Ben]

Well, I think we agree most.

[Ronnie]

I think him and Jesse are both absolute trash. And I don't think anything they do is sincere. I think it's all for clout. So, I mean, that sincere, I think,

[Ben]

is definitely in question for sure.

[Ronnie]

So then we go to. So Amanda, you know, they're still talking about this. And Amanda's like, well, I mean, I think if he thought there was a chance, like, there'd be more work that would need to be done. On his end. And Sierra's like, yeah, you know, like, it would have to be like, the love. Like. Like the love would have to be professed. And then like, here's the things I'm gonna change. And, like, I'm not gonna try and put together a set list the week of your birthday. You know, it doesn't. I don't need a dj manager, etc, etc.

[Ben]

And Sierra says, but I feel like even if he was in love with me, he would never say it. He never says what he feels, especially in this house. Well, in the history of Sierra and West, would. Would. Would you ever in all the world ever give him another shot ever? Because I know for certain and absolutely without a shadow of a doubt that I would never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever hold on. Let me go inside and go up to his room.

[Ronnie]

Ever, ever, ever, ever. Okay, I'm back outside.

[Ben]

Give Carl another shot in life.

[Ronnie]

Like, oh, yeah, we know. And they all laugh and see. I was like, okay, well, like, when you put it like that, like, I don't know if I'm like, never ever. So the do. So it's time to get ready.

[Ben]

That baseline. That baseline of like, Let me make this clear for you. Just think about me and Carl. Are you at the me and Carl place?

[Ronnie]

You know what? Lindsay is so needed for this show. She comes back on and it's immediately alive again and she's not wrapped up in everybody's. It's not like, oh, my God, the feelings in this. She's like, yes or no? Like, would you ever give this man a chance? That man is a loser and I'm never going to give him another chance. Do you feel like that? Okay, then say this. Let's move the season along here. I'm only here every other weekend. Let's get it moving.

[Ben]

I've got a baby. Come on now. So they're gonna be going to dinner soon, and Sierra goes upstairs and sees west and she's like. And he's like, how are you? She's like, great. Good. She's like, okay. So then he's like, do I need to, like, apologize for the drunk back rub? Like, honestly not? Because it, like, was like. Was it, like, invasive? Like, is Ben Mandelker gonna get upset at me? I watch our crappings about it, but, like, did I just, like, make stuff weirder? Was it, like, cringe and gross and like, yuck and like, that was the worst thing and, like, you could ever be and like, I don't know, Like, I don't know, like, there's like no worse feeling that not knowing if you were cringe. When in doubt, if you're on reality TV and you think you may have done something that was cringe, it most likely was cringe. So that should help you go.

[Ronnie]

You copy your hairstyle from Benson Boone, you dress like a teenager and you don't take a bath and your whole personality is bar rot. You're cringe. Okay? You're cringe. In case your little voice inside of you is not telling you, here's the outer voice outside of you telling you you're cringe.

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[Ben]

KJ's FaceTiming with Dara. He's like, you like my hat? And she's like, yeah, I think it's nice. You kind of look like you're about to solve 18 holes, loser. I mean, come punch your face. Then Kyle's like, amanda, am I gonna be hot in this? She's like, I don't know. I'm not you. Happy birthday.

[Ronnie]

Okay, you're not me. I don't know if I should wear a sweater or not. Sorry for asking my wife. But then Ben comes out. She's like, that's a nice outfit, Ben. Fucking Kyle can't win.

[Ben]

I love marketing. You've never looked more Australian. I was like, he could. He could be wearing a black hat with little teeth on it and a vest, but that's fine. So then everyone goes to dinner and Wes is like checking his wallets and phones and stuff like that. So they go to this place called Kasaki. They sit down and Lindsay, they're all getting their seating and they're all choosing where they're gonna sit, etc, because this has to be like a 10 minute process. And Kyle's at the side of the table. And then as usual, the boys all wind up on one side, the girls are all up on another side. And like, why is it always about to be girls versus boys, you know? And Sierra's like, I like it.

[Ronnie]

So Sierra tries on the little golf hat, KJ's little golf hat. And Lindsay's like, carl, I have a question for you. You talked to Bailey this week? And he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I caught up with her. Oh, well, she texted me on Saturday morning. I was like, hey, I had a rough night. Like crash out hard can confirms here. I was like, yeah, confirm. He's like, yeah. And then we ended up going out together. I mean, like, it wasn't a. A date, but it kind of felt like a date. Kind of felt like that. We talked about how much Lindsay hates me the whole time.

[Ben]

So pretty much today. I mean, basically my teeth were on a date, but the rest of my body was just in a chair about three feet behind them. I was like, oh. So Sierra's like, did you guys go out at night or during the day? During the day. Waffle time. Right. Pancake time. Right. She told me a little bit about your conversation, by the way. Oh, what about my conversations? Well, that you were. You were like, go for it, and kind of like, whatever, and said. I said, you should go for girl. And girl's like, yeah, I appreciate that. She's like, you're welcome. See, I'm nice, everyone. It's like. But she did say that you were like, hi, give Carl a rating of two thumbs down, two stars out of five. Bad Uber score. Yeah, but go for it. Thanks a lot, Lindsay. Thanks.

[Ronnie]

And I was like, whoa, what was the feedback? She's. Well, I mean, she paraphrased that. Okay, well, tell me what you said. Well, I said, he probably won't have sex with you, but he's a great conversationalist. Best.

[Ben]

Amanda goes, you were so close to being nice. I mean, Lindsay and I weren't sleeping together because of how not stable foundation we were on. But then when we first started dating and having sex, she used to say it was the best sex of her life. I said, was it as good as your hugs? Because your hugs are so good. But before that, I used to get destroyed for being a wife for having, like, too much sex. And now I'm, like, being more careful and I get dragged for that. Like, I can't win. Like, it's so hard being in the mix.

[Ronnie]

You just can't win with your Carl. So Carl's like, hey, man, is there a world in which I can try? That just depends on how you are the rest of the weekend. I am being nice. She goes, okay, then you can have a sip of my drink.

[Ben]

But he says it in such a serious way because I'm being nice. I'm like, okay. Carl's like, by the way, everyone, as you all know, I'm training for a marathon. So I'm big on running these days, more so than ever before. I invited KJ to a running thing this week, and I got there and I see him, and right next to him is. Wait for it, wait for it, wait for it. And they were very cute, and the vibe was really good. Look at me gossiping about relationships with youngins. I'm in the mix. In the mix with KJ and Dara.

[Ronnie]

So they're like, what's the vibe, kj? And he says that she's emotionally intelligent, and that's, like, so important, you know? And it escalated quickly. And Kyle's like, yeah, I want to know how it escalated quickly, because I'm out of the mix. Oh, I'll give you some lessons, my brother. And KJ Is like, we vibe checked. And Kyle says, kids these days. Old vibe check. So they're laughing, and they're questioning him on how many times they've seen each other. And it's like, every other day. And, you know, he's not counting, but it's every other day. And, sir, oh, my God, you guys are in love. And Amanda goes, jesse, do you want to give him any advice on moving quickly in a relationship?

[Ben]

He's like, well, I would just advise you to take it slow. It's like, yeah, that's what I'm doing, bro. What else did you learn, Jesse? Sierra's like, don't admit the truth. And so we have a flashback to the Lexi situation last summer. And Lindsay's like, and also, like, don't use Sierra's collateral. And Sierra's like, yeah, please say that part out loud. It's like, Jesse's like, don't use Sierra as collateral.

[Ronnie]

West is sitting up straight and taking notes. And so we see Wes like, oh, now it's my turn. It's my turn to get in trouble.

[Ben]

I think I'm about to get in trouble real soon. Jesse is like, yeah, and Sierra, it was never my intention to use Sarah's collateral. It's like, yeah, but I was collateral. And we see the. When they're talking about the collateral, it's because at the reunion, there was. Jesse was taking photos with Sierra, and it was making Lexi feel like Jesse was using Sierra to, like, rub it in Lexi's face, if I remember correctly. Was that, like, the gist of it? Like. Like, you're trying to kind of make Lexi feel bad to be like, well, now I'm with Sierra all the time. And so it sort of made Sierra

[Ronnie]

feel like a prop and virtual reality did not help, because that guy. Yeah, it's like, yeah, well, it seems like Jesse and Sierra are, like, taking photos together that look very flirty and commenting on each other's social posts. Like, kind of feels like they're trying to rub it in your face. Like, I'm.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

So we cut back, and Sirius says, yeah, like, you're creating this narrative that things we're doing are weird and manipulative, like, us hanging out together. And like, she's like. But he posted it on his story.

[Ben]

The only thing I, like, rubbed on

[Ronnie]

my face is lip liner.

[Ben]

So Amanda is saying, yeah, that's another good piece of advice. By the way, don't talk to the press. Wes can tell you that too. And she's like, yeah, Wes can tell you personally. So of the spectre of the New York Times article returns, by the way, I think you can talk

[Ronnie]

about this again. The New York Times article.

[Ben]

I think you can talk to the press about your relationship. Just don't have any illusions after that happens that you can, like, get back together or something like that. I think the way that Wes handled it was like, he should have either been like, yeah, I talked to the press because this is what was going on in my mind. And it seemed like a cool thing to do. And it. It was what it was. That was our relationship. He could have either stood in it it or just not done it in the first place. But of course, west, he does it, and then he's like, well, I didn't realize

[Ronnie]

he spent a year being a fucking baby about it. Like, I'm being attacked. Instead of just saying what he did at the end, when he said at the end of the season, it actually made sense, like, kind of his explanation. And maybe it just took him a year to come up with it. I don't know, because obviously I don't like the guy, but I remember him saying something along the lines of, like, sierra, we were supposed to, you know, we were dating, and then we were supposed to get together around Christmas, and then you just ghosted me. You wouldn't call me back. You wouldn't text me for two weeks. And I thought you basically dumped me. So when I'm asked, like, what's our relationship? I just got ghosted. So I was saying, like, it didn't work out or whatever. And then Sierra said, well, Christmas is really hard for me because of my family. And that's when I just turn off. And that's why I wasn't answering your call. And he's like, well, I didn't know that. That all that made so much more sense than the whole year of whining and hand wringing and this and that. And it was like, oh, okay. Like, it at least made sense to the audience. Like, I at least got what the. The whole thing was about, you know? But he's just such an absolute wuss, you know? My God, that it took that long. And the fact that they still have to bring. It's like Amanda still has to bring it up every single time. You know, she's like, let's talk about Lexi. Okay? Now let's talk about this. Like, oh, my God, Amanda, stop. Stop rubbing our faces in the past. Ask Bailey if she's flirting or something. Right?

[Ben]

And so. So best is like, I. I think I'm gonna say one thing, though. I empathize a lot with how our relationships ended. And I did, like, a lot of interviews, and I was like, hands are up. He's like. He's, like, holding, like, an invisible beach ball, like, while he's talking. He's like, I did a lot of interviews, and, like. Like, I just don't think, like, I knew any better, but, like, it's gross to talk about the relationship publicly. And I don't think I really grasped that until I was on the other side of it. And then when she. When Lexi was doing that to Jesse and, like, you and me, like, I just. I don't know. I just, like, want you to, like, know that I, like, see you way more than I. Than I did prior. He's like, wow. Full circle moment is what you're saying.

[Ronnie]

Five stars. Five stars.

[Ben]

You'll give me five stars to West Because I was the one who set this up sort of in a way, not really, but five stars also for me, please.

[Ronnie]

So she's like, you know, like, go back to all those interview things. I don't think you guys realize the interracial aspect that exists in this, because I get a lot of blowback that's very racial. You know, I'm the first black person in this house. And then dating publicly and dating white guys specifically publicly. It's this whole contraption that you guys don't even understand. Understand, and you can't empathize. And he's like, yeah, you know, and then the. But when the reunion happened, I was getting smoked, and I was being called racist, and people were, you know, like, DMing my family and for this whole thing. And I was panicking, and I didn't know what was going on. And so I thought, well, if I can make things better, as long as I'm not saying anything bad about Sierra, it'll be okay. But I didn't know, and I apologize.

[Ben]

And Kyle's saying, like, guys, I think we've covered some ground here. I feel like you guys, even though it was. Wasn't all that long ago, it feels raw. It feels fresh. Kind of like my beats just saying, maybe do some DJing right now, but to see you guys having fun. Buddy, Buddy. Last weekend at the. At the end of the day, you get DJing for DJing. Right. And I know there's an underlying friendship and mutual respect. It's been tough, but he's like, you know, he knows you respect. He's. Kyle's doing this sort of, like, nice, like, Band Aid moment, and Sierra's like, you know, and, you know, I operate on the basis of. Of I feel like I just expected more out of you, West.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And he's like, but if I knew what I knew. If I knew then what I know now, I would have been just different. I apologize.

[Ben]

So now that the show sort of gets a little bit more serious now, or not even serious, it's just more like it sort of is like. It's like not being as reality showy because now they have a pretty. A really good conversation about race and interracial relationships, etc, And Sierra's telling us that the hardest thing for her and west was that everyone was always like, oh, you let a white man play you out on national tv. And, like, regardless of how she says, regardless of how we feel about each other, it's the way that it looks to the entire world. And, like, yeah, I guess if I could help it, I would, but you can't help who you love. You can't help who you're attracted to. And he was my friend at one point, and we did have a relationship, but I say no. We do care a lot about each other, and it's just, like. It's not just fun and flirting. And I do think we have much deeper relationship than anyone ever would ever see. And she's basically like. And she's like, saying, I'm really nervous for this season to air because I know I'm gonna get it all over again. And essentially what she's saying is on top of the usual things that people weigh in on, she has the weight of this being an interracial situation. And, like, that. That just adds a whole other layer on it that. That, you know, the white people just can't really understand.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And then KJ adds that his sisters go through it a lot. And he cry. He starts crying, and he's like, you know, from the guy's perspective, it's like, well, she's just complaining, but it's. It's really up. And he said, it's not normal. And I don't expect you guys to understand because you aren't in our skin. But even with me coming into the house, being the first black guy, I've added pressure too. Like, literally the Past few weeks, I've just been in my head, head because I'm thinking, don't it up, you know, because people are going to judge you so harshly. I mean, God, that's a lot of. That is a lot of crazy pressure to have to deal with.

[Ben]

Well, you have to do so much self monitoring. I imagine there's so much self monitoring about trying not to come off as a aggressive or angry black man or angry black woman, which is so unfair. And he said that's why he says, like, you always have to be thinking 20 steps ahead. And Mia's saying, this is what, this is what we're taught. And you know, she's saying that, you know, they. She starts talking about, like, the conversation and that you have to conduct yourself in a certain manner so you're not seen as a threat, so you're not seen as aggressive or angry or scary. And all these connotations that society has put on, on, on us for so long, even though there's nothing angry about you, there's nothing scary about you, but that's what the world has made us look like. And so. And then Kyle is. Kyle actually was like, you know, my takeaway is that I have a temper and I can just pop off and I have anger mistakes, anger management issues, but when I do that, I'm not thinking 20 steps ahead. I'm thinking in that moment and. Right. He's basically kind of expressing like he has the immense privilege of being a white man who can get angry and know that it's not going to come with an outsized penalty, you know, that could lead to incarceration or worse. So he's having that, which is also, by the way, amusing because then we go later on, we go to the. The trailer for the season and we see Kyle popping off just once again leaning into that, leading into that temper. I was like, there it is. There it is. Kyle.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, Having an absolute cow and throwing a drink against the door. Car's like, well, we just want to have your support and, or have your backs and support you guys. Okay. And make sure we're doing our best to make you feel loved or whatever. So, you know, they're like, our job is to be our family. So it's a nice scene. And they all have.

[Ben]

Really nice, actually.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, really, really lovely scene. Amanda's like, okay, let's go around the table and say one nice thing about me. Ben's like, oh, God, please, no, please, let's not do that again. You want to, Ben? Well, I do too, to be fair. Ben. Five stars. Five star.

[Ben]

And that was that. And then we got the mid season trailer which looks like a total show as is what always happens because as the summer goes on they get crazier. So looking forward to the second half of the season. Really lovely, lovely and important discussion at the end of that episode which was. Which was good and yeah, can't wait for the next one. So thanks for being here everyone and we will catch you on the next episode of Watch what happens. Bye. Watch what crap. INS would like to thank its premium sponsors. Ain't no thing like Alison King.

[Ronnie]

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