#3269 Southern Hospitality S4E03: And The Emmy Goes To…

Summary

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Watch What Crappens - Episode #3269

Southern Hospitality S4E03: "And The Emmy Goes To…"

Date: March 19, 2026
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

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Episode Overview

This episode takes on Southern Hospitality Season 4, Episode 3: “And The Emmy Goes To…” as Ben and Ronnie embark on an irreverent, deep-dive debrief. The hosts react to the latest in Bravo drama and dissect the group dynamics and controversies among the Charleston crew, with a special emphasis on Emmy’s missteps, microaggressions, and the fallout from a “wellness journey” gone awry. The episode balances humorous asides about charcuterie spreads and OnlyFans hustles with thoughtful discussions on race, privilege, and performative apologies—making this recap essential for fans craving both laughs and insight.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bravo Heartbreak: Real Housewives of Miami Paused

• [04:00-08:14]
  • The episode opens with a shared sense of loss over the pause of Real Housewives of Miami—a show Ben and Ronnie argue was “one of the most unjust things in the history of Bravo.”
  • Ronnie, in signature dramatic tone: “This show is evil good. I was evil enough to support and I just loved it.” ([04:42])
  • The hosts urge listeners not to sleep on Bravo series when podcasters and fans recommend them, or they risk disappearing.

2. Southern Hospitality Recap Begins

• [11:28]
  • The episode proper starts, focusing on Mia’s narration and the aftermath of the Folly Beach party.
  • Key events include Emmy’s tense presence, Maddie patching things up with the group, and new cast member Justin’s “TV-ready” antics and questionable authenticity.

3. The Justin OnlyFans Quandary

• [13:10-16:49]
  • The hosts introduce Justin—a new, eager “fuck boy” whose overt efforts to become a Bravo character seem forced, possibly motivated by his OnlyFans career.
  • Ronnie, on the over-saturation of OnlyFans: “You just have to work so, so hard to get anybody to jerk off to you nowadays... you could run for mayor with less effort.” ([14:31])

4. Pizza, PowerPoints, and Conflict Resolution

• [25:03-29:35]
  • Tensions thaw slightly when Maddie and TJ hold a “PowerPoint-level” reconciliation amid pizza deliveries and comedic asides about open concept mansions and haunted pizza.

5. The Emmy Situation: Microaggressions & Accountability

This is the core theme—an extended, layered segment.

a. Allegations and Group Confrontation

• [33:07 - 42:21]
  • Emmy faces the group for airing grievances—mainly accusations that Brad made her feel “unsafe” following a text exchange, and letting a podcast conversation spiral into damaging innuendo.
  • Emmy’s language triggers the group. The use of “unsafe” toward a Black man in Charleston catches everyone off guard.
  • Ben’s critical reflection: “This is language that gets people arrested, shot, and killed... especially white women saying these things, it has led to so many terrible things in history.” ([37:36])

b. On White Tears and Performative Victimhood

• [43:07]
  • Emmy’s defensive apologies dissolve into tears, shifting blame onto her fiancé Will and reiterating harm without true accountability.
  • Ronnie calls out the cycle: “She doubles down, she calls production. And now here come the tears. And gracefully is like, are you serious? He was going to be a Grims (grooms) man.” ([43:39])
  • The group gently but firmly tries to educate Emmy on the gravity of her words—a teaching moment about being careful with accusations and coded language.

c. Fat Shaming & Social Media Petty

• [45:07 - 48:06]
  • The drama pivots to Emmy’s behavior on social media—liking and pinning comments about Molly’s body and refusing to take proper responsibility.
  • Molly: “It is absolutely disgusting that you would let me be humiliated, ridiculous, Molly.” ([45:52])
  • Emmy’s “apologies” are depicted as hollow, with wordplay over being “sorry” for the “massive” and “robust challenges” of the conversation serving as comic relief.

6. Charcuterie War & Girls Night Pajama Party

• [72:05 - 78:12]
  • A comically intense charcuterie rivalry: Molly outdoes Emmy’s previous seasons with what Ben calls “the best homemade charcuterie spread we’ve ever seen on Bravo.”
  • The hosts debate charcuterie artistry with playful fervor—“[Molly] takes the crown from Emma. Emmy, you know.” ([78:12])
  • Girls’ (and gays’) pajama night devolves into a minor fashion feud when Grace Lily feels excluded for missing the theme memo, sparking melodramatic commentary.

7. Conflict Among Friends and Group Dynamics

• [86:33 - 94:11]
  • The episode closes on another petty but heartfelt quarrel between Grace and Maddie—complete with overblown blame, performative exits, and layered friendships.
  • Maddie laments being scapegoated: “I get blamed for all of Grace’s shortcomings... She shows up late for my gig. It’s my fault Molly didn’t tell her to wear pajamas. It’s my fault.” ([92:09])

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Ronnie on Miami’s cancellation:
  “It hurts as a viewer, but it also hurts as an American... This show is evil good.” ([04:42])
• Ben on the need for fan support:
  “If there is a show that everyone is saying is great, you have to support it. You just do.” ([10:56])
• Ronnie on OnlyFans hustling:
  “It became something that everybody does. And you just have to work so, so hard... You could run for mayor with less effort.” ([16:07])
• The Emmy Microaggression Showdown:
  Mia: “Here’s my advice for you Emmy in this moment. Shut up. Stop Talking. She doesn’t know what her words can do to a black man in a town like this.” ([38:47])
  Ben: “This is language that gets people arrested, shot, and killed... especially white women saying these things.” ([37:36])
• Ronnie on Emmy’s performative tears:
  “Here come the white lady tears. She doubles down. She calls production. And now here come the tears.” ([43:39])
• Ben on charcuterie escalation:
  “This was... the best homemade charcuterie spread we’ve ever seen on Bravo. I’m just gonna say it.” ([73:06])

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Memorable Segments

• [29:35 - 32:27]: The group discussion around Emmy's accusations, performative apologies, and Maddie’s repeated attempts at resolution.
• [37:36 - 39:46]: The critical teaching moment about microaggressions and the ramifications of Emmy’s language.
• [72:02 - 78:12]: Charcuterie wars, culminating in Ben’s tongue-in-cheek bestowment of the Bravo charcuterie crown.
• [92:09 - 94:11]: The off-the-rails pajama party fight led by Grace Lily, blending pathos and absurdity.

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Tone & Style

Ben and Ronnie maintain their hallmark blend of snark, Bravo-lore, and genuine moral insight. The tone veers from irreverent and slapstick (charcuterie, Open Concept Mansion jokes) to sincere and instructive, especially around the themes of race, privilege, and performative allyship.

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For the Listeners

• This recap is essential for Bravo fans, especially those closely following Southern Hospitality’s evolving group culture.
• The episode deftly blends humor, pop culture references, and heartfelt conversations about social responsibility.
• Prepare for a lively, authentic, and sometimes biting takedown—with plenty of quotable moments for the group chat.

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Transcript

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Stream the HBO original series the Comeback on HBO max Sundays at 10:30pm and watch the Comeback podcast on HBO Max. Or listen wherever you get your podcasts. Guess what happens when there's so much. That happens. Hello and welcome to Watch what Crappins a podcast about all that crap on Brava. We just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today is is the one, the only the glorious Ronnie Caram. Hi Ronnie, how's it going?

[Ronnie Caram]

How are you?

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm great, thank you. First of all, double shout out today to some recent broadcasters that have had us on. I just was on Jeff Lewis this morning with the their whole gang and mj. So thanks for having me on. Go check that out if you missed the episode. And also yesterday Ronnie and I took taped with Cynthia and Crystal on Humble Brag. I don't know when that episode's going to come out, but keep an eye on an ear out. Only one eye and one ear. Don't need to use both of either set for that episode because we sat there and we talked and talked and talked and I have to say I felt like there was some really interesting tea that was kind of spilled about Beverly Hills. So I really. I don't know what will make it to the final cut, but. But I think that's a good one to listen to. We had just a great time. And then in our world, it's the usual things. We've got a newsletter that's free. Subscribe to it. It'll arrive right there into your inbox. Just, you know, you can just go to Patreon to subscribe to it. You don't have to be a Patreon member, but of course we recommend it because Patreon opens up a whole other side of watch what happens including a weekly bonus episode and video and ad free listening as well as a discord community and so many other things. So that'[e-mail] watchworkrappens and I think there's nothing else to shout out or to promote or whatever. Just I will shout out this. This envelope that's here on my desk. What a great envelope. You did great work. I don't know what else. Am I missing anything, Ronnie so desperate

[Ronnie Caram]

you'll shout out the opening of an envelope.

[Ben Mandelker]

I am actually like if I can just get one envelopes approval. I just want approval. I just want people to say, you did a good job. Give me that approval. You did well and you look good. That's all I need. That's all I want. Today we are. Oh no. Something has to be discussed. Today we. This podcast is just a little bit darker, a little bit sadder for the on pauseization of real houses of Miami. This is. This is, it's. This is one of the most unjust things in the history of Bravo.

[Ronnie Caram]

Apparently.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's really terrible that this happened. I understand that the ratings were low apparently on Peacock and network and like, you know, a business got a business, right? Like at a certain point they just can't keep throwing money at these things. But man, man, this is. This one hurts. This is one of the worst things I feel like that's ever happened on Bravo and I'm not even being funny.

[Ronnie Caram]

It hurts as a viewer, but it also hurts as an American that we can't actually and support good things. You know, we come to. We come together to support horrible, stupid, dangerous things like what's happening in this country. Everyone's fine coming together for evil, but you guys cannot come together to support good. This show is evil good. I was evil enough to support and I just loved it. And it just makes me look around at my phone, fellow Americans, and think, who are we? Who are we?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And like is our Recommendation not enough. Because I know there are a lot of people listening who are like, oh, my God, yes. You know, I. I really want to start Miami. I really want to start Miami. And now look what's happened. You can still start it, but you're also, unfortunately, going to end it. That you're gonna get to the end of it, and that's the end. When we recommend something highly, I'm gonna have to say this right now. I'm gonna need you to take it seriously when we recommend something highly, because you know, they'll take it away from us. So, like, you cannot sleep on these shows. There's scarcity here. So, like. And when I say we, it's not just the two of us. It's the people on Twitter. It's the people our other fellow podcasters. If we are saying this show is amazing, and people are saying, I.

[Ronnie Caram]

He.

[Ben Mandelker]

If you're saying to yourself, oh, my God, I heard. I. I hear that Miami's me. I've got to start that. I'm just gonna start that as soon as I finish this season of Beverly Hills. I'm just gonna start it as soon as I finish this. This. This season of Roni. No. Start it right away. Listen to us. Because now it's gone. It's gone.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's over. Not right. He did it to us.

[Ben Mandelker]

We have to support the show. We have to support the arts. We have to support. The arts are under attack in America, okay?

[Ronnie Caram]

Everybody is so mad at Timothy Chalamet right now for his comments on ballet and opera, and they're like, you guys, you. He doesn't understand art, and he doesn't support art, and that's how I feel. I feel like you guys don't. Not. You guys who are listening. I just mean America understand culture, guys. Yes, Miami was it, but it's dead. So you know what? Whatever. I don't even care if the reboot. Whatever. I don't care because I need the cast back. That's there now. I don't need a re of that. I don't need reboot in. I don't need it. I don't need a break. I need it happening now. So you know what? We don't always get what we want. That's it. You know what?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, it was a fully functional. That's was a fully functional, highly functional show. It was a show that, to me, had a better season last year than even Salt Lake City. I. I really, firmly believe that. I absolutely love this last season. I think the cast is pitch perfect. I don't I wouldn't change a single person on the cast. I don't. I think it was just wonderful, pure television. And I. Well, my only. My only hope is that people who've never watched it just go to Peacock and just start watching it. And then let's see, like, a surge of numbers at Peacock to watch Miami. And let's see. Let's. Let's put some, like, consumer oomph behind this show. So Bravo unpresses the pause button and brings it back and. And, like, let's just make this a temporary blip, because I think we can still change this. I think we can change the course. I think we. We've seen this happen before. It happened with Twin Peaks. Twin Peaks got its second or third season because of the fans. We can do it. And if there's any show that has peaks with. If there's any show that has peaks, and by peaks, I mean boobies. It's real houses of Miami. So let's do this.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, we actually had a comment on YouTube this week that was like, I can't find it now, of course. But no, I don't want unresponded. I want all comments here. I have to read it because it's, like, really important, I think, especially today, and I think we need to take it to heart. It said something like, guys, Jesus is coming, and you need to pay attention. Something like, you guys need to find the Lord, because this is getting ridiculous. And I just said, okay, but, guys, I'm telling you, we were just told on YouTube the end is near. Support what's important.

[Ben Mandelker]

So the end has happened. They put Miami on pause. The end has happened. Okay?

[Ronnie Caram]

This is in the Bible. Adriana, Alexia, Marisol, and Gertie.

[Ben Mandelker]

That being said, the expression of mourning on social media is pretty hilarious. The number of things going around saying, adriana, you're Adriana, Alexia, Marisol. They're all unemployed while Gina and Emily get an eighth season.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm like, well, there's good news on that, because at least Gina and Emily didn't get asked to do the real. The real girls trip or whatever that they were just doing.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's so fun.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's an article this week that's like, even after eight seasons, they were. They were, like, the only two people not asked to be part of that girls trip where they literally asked everybody. They were like, hey, get Jill Zaron's cleaning lady 50 years ago.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, I mean, I actually genuinely feel bad for them for that, because the truth is, they have put in eight. Eight seasons and so, like, that is really shitty that you are a senior member now of Bravo, and you're not getting invited to these things. That actually genuinely sucks. And as much as I don't necessarily need them back on Orange County, I. My heart does kind of break for them a little bit in the sense that, like, you put in all this time and Bravo still is like, whatever, but that's what you get when your producer plants.

[Ronnie Caram]

But, yeah, I do not want that. Just for the record, I feel joyful. All right, so let's get.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm joyful as a viewer. Listen, Ronnie, I'm an empath, and I've recently sprayed myself with a spray from a Nashville magician, so just bear with me here.

[Ronnie Caram]

I have empath spray from a magician in Nashville. Yeah. But the point is, Bravo did give multiple chances to Southern hospitality, and that could have been dumped. So, you know, we got to count our bl.

[Ben Mandelker]

Somewhere else. Summer House, they. They stuck in. They stuck it out with Summer House, and it blossomed. No, that's why I'm actually, like, I'm not being super mean to Bravo. I mean, it's. It's frustrating. We get Surviving Mormonism. We get that Roni reboot, but, like, Miami is the victim here. That being said, I think we have to kind of really look at ourselves. I think we have to, like, not be complacent about these shows. They are not going to be around forever. If there is a show that everyone is saying is great, you have to support it. You just do.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay? Southern Hospitality Season 4, Episode 3 and Olive Branch Served Dirty so Mia is the narrator today, and she's like, when I was getting my heart broken in my. In Hawaii, all hell was breaking loose in Charleston. So we get, like, the previously of what happened, and we're still at Folly beach at the, I don't know, relationship anniversary of Bradley and that lady.

[Ben Mandelker]

And that lady. That lady. That lady blonde and talks sometimes, but I don't know.

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't know well enough to learn her name. And Emmy has arrived, and Maddie's arrived and made up with a lot of people, and Emmy has not. Emmy's just, like, tweaking out in the corner like, well, if anyone's gonna talk to me, she's kind of twitching over there in the corner and staring at everybody. And Joe's checking in on Maddie because she's just had a confrontation, and she's like, yeah, I'm good, Joe. I'm good, Joe. Get the fuck away from me, Joe. And TJ comes up, and he's like, are you good, Mia? It's like, yeah, yeah, it was good. It was fine. Everything's patched up, guys. And she says, yeah, you know, she thought something happened, but she, like, she threw my poster down. And I'm like, I. Why couldn't you? You know, I could beat you up right now for that. You know. You threw my poster down.

[Ben Mandelker]

And TJ's like, yeah, you gotta swing. I felt it. She's like, yeah, exactly. At the swing. And Justin is like, wait, you swung on tj? Yeah. No way. Are you kidding me? You're a bit of a spark plug, aren't you? I like you. Ken just shows up.

[Ronnie Caram]

I hate this. Scuzzy guys are like, now like, these scuzzy only fans dudes are coming on here and pretending they're like in west side Story. Like, why? Who talks like this? Wow, you're a bit of a spark plug, aren't you, toots?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's just Jen Fessler. Well, you know, Justin is like, he's. I appreciate that he is. He's got a pulse. Unlike that guy Austin last year who was like the. The supposed hot guy that was like the newbie. And he just sort of sat there with eyes bulging and scared and like said, did like two things all season. So this guy's definitely.

[Ronnie Caram]

Wait a minute. That guy had a mullet and he lifted logs. Don't. Yeah, he didn't do anything.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that's right. But so Justin's definitely like. He's like a, you know, made for tv and he's like active and he's energetic, but he also feels like. He feels like a. He feels like a paint by numbers boy. Almost like. It's not. He might not even be a boy. He just is like, oh, they need a boy. I am going to play the role of a boy. I'm going to say the boy things. I'm going to have, like, really kind of like, like on the nose, skeezy interviews. It's just like he went to chat GPT and asked for like the bullet points of what he should be doing. Just sort of doing it. Like, it almost feels fake to me. It's just like this guy who came on is like, well, they need this, this role to be filled. And here I am.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. You know, we've talked a lot about onlyfans over the years because during the pandemic, I remember that's when onlyfans became like, really a thing. Like, I guess a mainstream thing is. That's what I remember anyway, to the point where there were people in the carpool line. There was mother in the carpool line at my kids school where she had like her only fans QR code on the back, on the back of her car, in the drive through or in the drop off section so that the dads would go to her only friends. And we've talked about it over the years about how at first it was like a great way to make money because not everybody was on it, you know, and so people would be like, oh, that, that mom down the street is on Only Fans. Oh, I'm gonna go look at that. You know, there was like money in it. And then it became something that everybody does. And you just have to work so, so hard to get anybody to jerk off to you nowadays. It's like, because there's so many. There are so many, like mediocre options out there. You really have to work. It's like carry your card around and, you know, give it away. And that's how he feels to me. Like he's working really, really hard to get people to his only fans. You know, he's doing this show and then he's coming on and he's like, well, I'm 30% gay. Which sounded weird, you know, because we were like, well, who said, I don't know, I'm not used to fuck boys on these shows saying stuff like that. Because usually they're like, whoa, whoa, no homo, bro. No homo. I thought it was a little odd. But then someone sent us his Only Fans page and I was like, oh, that makes sense. He's just trying to make that money, you know, so he's trying to like, kind of queer bait while he's doing it. And I just, you know, my heart goes out to onlyfans people. Because that's just a lot of work. You know, you could run for mayor with less effort.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love you, Ronnie. That was the funniest little monologue. It was.

[Ronnie Caram]

But don't you think, like, they work so hard and we've met so many Only Fans people, and they are like, literally out there shaking hands like, hey, hey, I'm on Only Fans. You know, like, they work so hard and I'm just like, oh my God, isn't it easier just learn to do taxes at some point?

[Ben Mandelker]

I just loved everything about that model. Like, I really did. I just was. I was thinking, I was like, this is so funny.

[Ronnie Caram]

So I think he's just working hard. So he's like, yeah, I've had a bit of a crush on Mia since I met her a few months ago. Because I love good banter. And also she's the lead on a TV show that you want to be on. So he's trying to formulate.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mm. And he's being, he's being flirtatious. And then she's like, I'm nasty. And he tells us, yeah, she's got a great set of personalities. And he's like, boobs, because remember, boobs are personality. So he says, I'm not, I'm not much of a homewrecker, but if the opportunity presents itself, I'd wreck the out of that home. And that's when I was like, you're. You're just a hired actor. You were brought in off the street and they just fed you some lines. You may not even be a human. You're just an AI thing they grafted onto the show. And like they were. The entire time they were talking to like, like a broom that was hoisted up with eyeballs on it. And then they just put this guy in in posts. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Bravo's pretty good with lovable pigs, you know, which is how Southern charm has made it so long. Those guys are all douchebags and misogynists, but there's like something charming about them that's. You can't just Southern character, you know, this guy's just straight up gross. So the producer is asking, oh, I'm poor Jordan, by the way. This girl who's like standing behind the bar all day, she doesn't get to move around or talk to. It's like she's in a little box and she's like, got so much rouge on. I mean, just. Poor thing is just so over rouged. And I just feel for her. That's the one I feel for Jordan.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And she doesn't even really get to be part of the show. So the producer says, justin, aren't you currently dating Jordan? And he goes, no, you know what? I'm never, I'm just, I've never been like a big label guy. So I just, I don't know, I'm just taking it day by day. And he is smiling so broadly. And I think that like one of the fun parts about having fuck boys on these shows is that they always. The real ones, always. I think they think they're pulling one over on the audience, like, and they almost believe their own shit. But this guy's just smiling so broadly, he's like winking at the audience like, we know I'm a fuck boy, you know, And I know, and that's no fun. The fun is when they think that they're conning us and we're like, no, we're on to you. So he's just a little too, wink, wink, like, it's just a little not fun. You know, it's like, it's like, bro, it's like, come settle down. Just, just be yourself.

[Ronnie Caram]

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So then we go over to Joe, who's looking at this house that they rented, and he's like, you know, I really like houses like this for parties. Like, I really like this open floor plan. I'm being serious. I'm being serious. You know what? It looks like Bali. It doesn't even look like we're in Charleston anymore. It looks like Bali.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Wow. Thanks for the insight, Joe. I like, thank. And also for Clar. Thank you for clarifying that you're being serious because I thought for a moment you were making an outrageous joke. He's like, guess. Just kidding. I don't like houses like this for a party. I don't want to be in a mansion.

[Ronnie Caram]

Bali, you heard of it? Yeah. It's like Bali.

[Ben Mandelker]

Being serious. I like, like the open floor plan. I love that, like, he decided to like whoever you're talking to. I I that he decided they're in this gorgeous mansion, like a beautiful mansion, and that he decided to weigh in, that it was approved like, this met the standards of Joe Bradley. I'm really glad. The open concept, especially chef's kiss.

[Ronnie Caram]

So, Bella, who's Bella again? We're supposed to know her, but I don't.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just Bella Hadid. Bella Hadid just wandered in confused and drunk.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, I got permission to eat half an almond. Anybody? Anybody? Hurry, my mom's right outside.

[Ben Mandelker]

Who is Bella Hadid in this world? Yeah. Bella, who is an unnamed lady in the mix here is like, the ambiance in here when you have sex. It would just, like, match it that much better, make it that much better. Would it not? Would it not? And then TJ goes, well, I don't know. I haven't had sex in like 15 months. And Michael's like, oh, my God. And he just walks away.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay. Sorry, I was allergic to attack people. It's me, Grace Lily. I know that we had our differences and stuff, and Molly's like, yeah, well, you seem more peaceful, by the way. She seems, like, completely hopped up on lsd, like she's tripping balls. Grace Lily is. I don't know what she got in trouble for because all of the reports about her drug use have just said that she had happy pills. So I don't know what that means. I don't know if it's Molly. I don't know. Lsd.

[Ben Mandelker]

She was lsd.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's the best one. By the way, kids, if you're gonna do arrested, that's the one.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because Grace Lily was arrested over the. Over. Sometime over the past week. Right. I think on drug charges. Yeah. Which is actually very sad. Not to make what you were saying sad, but, like, it's just sad for her, but, you know, for us. We will.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. I hate when people always. So she's like, yeah, thank you. You know, I'm just struggling with, like, the self conscious and like, now I'm just more of a. At a peaceful mindset, you know, because it has to do with, like, my tribal past and my roots and my ancestors.

[Ben Mandelker]

Great. Molly's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

That makes no sense.

[Ronnie Caram]

Absolutely.

[Ben Mandelker]

Maddie's like, I feel good today, but I'm, like, concerned about being here. But, like, I'm glad I'm here. Does anyone know? Is there an HDMI hookup somewhere so I can put my PowerPoint on the TV to prove TJ that we are actually friends? And TJ's like, yeah, I was, like, a little bit concerned too. Hey, since we're in this beautiful open concept mansion, do you want to talk a little bit? Yeah, absolutely. I'm down, so. Okay, let's sit down. I'm gonna sit down.

[Ronnie Caram]

They go sit. And he's like, well, first I want to apologize for knowing facts that weren't shared because this is, like, stemming from that group chat. Okay. And I can't imagine what that has done to you and, like, what you've gone through. And I sympathize for that. Okay? I sympathize. But he's giving her those evil.

[Ben Mandelker]

He could see.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's like evil little gay eyes. I don't know how to explain them except to say they're evil little. They're very intense. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Want to vacuum her face.

[Ronnie Caram]

Thank you for that because, like, you know, like, I have, like, bad deja vu and ptsd. Really? You should hear what my ancestors had say about shut Up, Grace. Lily, shut up over there, okay? Talking patchouli stick. Not talking to you.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm trying to forgive myself and to forgive everyone, because I don't want to live in this energy anymore. Yeah, it's not healthy. Sort of like the amount of stupid you have in your brain. Sorry, I can't help myself. Well, it's just not healthy. It's not. And it's like it's eating me alive. It's not. It's like, joe, I'm being eaten alive. So Maddie says, it's nice to hear some accountability from TJ. And my PowerPoint did remind me that we were friends, so thank you very much, PowerPoint. And I really appreciate the conversation like this because I get to move on, and I get to feel like I could maybe get closer to you. It's like, okay. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So she's like, okay, you know, okay, I'm sorry, too. And now let's just be friends. And I'm sorry I blew up at your party and stuff. And he's like, well, at least it was at the end, so that was good. You told everybody I was gonna give them food poisoning, but by that time, they had already eaten the cheater dog, so they really came.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And I had those bad cocktail wieners at the bar. Shut up, Joe. Not your scene.

[Ronnie Caram]

My ancestor is a cocktail wiener. Shut up, Grace. Lily. So.

[Ben Mandelker]

So pizza arrives.

[Ronnie Caram]

Pizza comes. Yeah. And Emmy's like, oh, my God, you guys are so heavy. Emmy, you are working out every day on Instagram. That's all you do. She's like. She's, like, lifting cars on Instagram.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, oh, just pizza.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, my God. I'm talking to you guys.

[Ben Mandelker]

This pizza makes me feel unsafe. So Maddie's like, this pizza is stalking me. I've never had such aggressive pizza before. So Maddie is like, there's cars outside.

[Ronnie Caram]

There's a car outside. It's staring at me. It's coming my way. It's coming my way. Oh, my God. It's offering me. It's. It's offering me. Oh, my God, it's pizza. Just fucking answer the door.

[Ben Mandelker]

Why is it always the big pizza that has so many problems? Right, guys? The pizza's like, I come from Will's mistress. Shut up. You don't know. You don't know. There was never any proof. Pizza.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, there's not a day that goes by where I don't think about how one of my closest friends called me a predator on a podcast. The podcaster asked Emily Nick files, like, hello, can someone Use my name. The podcaster asked Emily Emmy if she thought that Joe was blacked out drunk and I was the one making the moves when he was sleeping. And then she sat there and said, oh, my God. I never thought about it that way, and I'm not over that. I'm not over it. Well, it was pretty low. Jesus.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, yeah. That's really bad. That's really. I mean, it's like, yeah, well, what else do you expect? So Maddie is like, especially when it's

[Ronnie Caram]

on the show, that it was the other way around. Because on the show, Joe copped it. He was like, hey, I know that we have, you know, that problem when we were drunk and then I touched you. That's what was said on the show. So the fact that Emmy knows that, and then she's going and letting someone spin it into, like, oh, the predator. Gay guys raping, you know, drunk guys, which, by the way, she doubles down on in about 20 minutes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I mean, it's. I mean, have. Is not a good season for Emmy so far

[Ronnie Caram]

for it, because it's amazing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, guess what? I named the episode and the Emmy goes to. I did. So Maddie is like. Maddie is like, we're really smart over here. Maddie is like, I. Okay, I can understand that. And I feel like that's a conversation you need to have with Emmy. And he's like, yeah. So then everyone starts eating their pizza and everything. And, you know, that's what I love about these shows. These. These shows with the young kids who are just excited to get a Beyond Bravo because it was Real Housewives. You would never see this much pizza being eaten on camera. So Joe is like, hey, I see Maddie smuggle though TJ Something. Something I haven't seen in a long time. That makes me happy. Almost as happy as this open concept in this house. I really think it looks. It's like, I'm. I feel like I'm in Indonesia. It's like, wow. Like, did I bring my passport?

[Ronnie Caram]

Can I serious right now? I'm serious right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Seriously. I'm not even joking. This is. It's like, could possibly be Malaysia, but I'm gonna go with Indonesia.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh. So they're congratulating gracefully. He's like, oh, my God, Brad, congratulations on one year. Have one year. Or as my ancestors call it, happy anniversary. And he's like, thank you, Grace. Keep giving me all the good vibes. Okay. And Lake tells us, you know, Brad's timeline is, like, a little weird because, like, was he not making out with me one year ago? Throw the clip up there. Yeah. We're making out. Like, the timeline's a little freaky. I'm like.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like, I'm late.

[Ronnie Caram]

I've really got, like, now that I'm used to her, like, just stoner energy. I am loving Lake. I love that Blake is always, like, one foot out, one foot in, like, a hot box car.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just like, hey, yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Did he not make out with me?

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. I'm Lake. I like her mom, too. I hope they bring her back. So Justin's like, hey, yo, can I make a toast? First and foremost, thanks to Brad and Julia for establishing this house. And then I hope tonight. I don't know what I meant by establishing this house. I don't know what that meant, but whatever. And then I hope tonight everyone can make amends with people that they've had a beef with. Speaking of beef, I'd love to put my beef sausage into someone's lady cave. Okay. We can move forward, and we can have a wonderful summer. So cheers to everyone here. Let's have a good time. Who would like to be motorboated first? Okay.

[Ronnie Caram]

I. I hate when the new person is, like, the toast master. It's like in the office when there's a new girl and they're like, oh, my God, you guys, cheers to us for being friends for so long. Like, we're best friends, right? We're all best friends. You all do such a great job in the office. I am so proud to work alongside of you. Look, you got your attempt. You don't even work here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Get out of here.

[Ronnie Caram]

Take your cupcake and go.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, so Emmy says, well, guys, if we actually do squash all of our beef tonight, I'll take a shot. And Justin's like, oh, Emmy. Breaking sobriety. It was only the show where they'd be like, you'd hear that sentence with, like, a cheer

[Ronnie Caram]

back.

[Ben Mandelker]

Everybody fell off the wagon. So Emmy's like, since I started my wellness journey, I haven't had a drink in over two years, and I'm trying to think, what's the most vulnerable thing I could do to try to get these people to believe what I'm saying and trust me? So, like, like, let's see. I'm like, oh, Bethany Frankel is, like, sharpening her knife.

[Ronnie Caram]

See?

[Ben Mandelker]

See?

[Ronnie Caram]

She fell off the wagon for the show. How vulnerable can I be? I'm going to take a shot. And so he's like, as much as I love an audience, like, I'd probably, like, actually, like, like, have a private chat. Maybe Brad, like, could we just, like, have a. Have a. Maybe like, like a private chat. And he's like, well, I mean, I know it's a private thing, but I'm not the only one that feels. Feels some sort of friction with you. So maybe we could just do it all at one time instead of three separate conversations. So now 20 people gather around. Yeah,

[Ben Mandelker]

it's. Wait, wait, but, Ma, it's kind of an open concept, so you really can't. Really can't have a private conversation. But that's okay. It's like Bali. So it's like we're on a beach. It's all good. It's all good.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know what? I think you guys should have this in the living room. No, I'm sorry. The kitchen. No, you know what? Both. Because it's open concept Bali. You got Bali.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm totally serious. I'm totally serious. It's a great concert. It's a great house. It's a great house for this. So, I mean, he's like, okay, well, I don't know where to begin. I know that a lot of shit went down in February, and I know that we all have our own versions of what the truth is, but I just hate where we all are. Well, this is a beautiful house. I don't know why you'd hate it here. Like, Folly beach is a magnificent place. I mean, you would. Bali or. Bali. Am I right, guys? Right.

[Ronnie Caram]

So I'm not being literal. Joe, do you acknowledge that you've done anything wrong? And she's like, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, to Maddie. To Maddie. I mean, yeah. Yeah, I mean, to Maddie. I did. And Brad's like, so between you and me and our friendship, maybe, do you think you've done anything wrong? Just. I mean, I trusted you. Yeah, I trusted you. Like, I really thought of you. Like. Like, it's like. So where do you feel like I broke your trust? Well, you. You know, like when you didn't believe me last year, like, when I, you know, you got into my relationship and you believe that my fiance 100% cheated on me. And there's not, like a lick. There's not a lick. There's not a. A lick of evidence that he cheated on me. And there's not even a picture at the prom. Like, just. There's nothing.

[Ben Mandelker]

I forgot about. Law prom. The law. The law school prom. He took another girl to law school

[Ronnie Caram]

prom, and she stayed at his house.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Brad's, like, in the meeting, in the beginning of all This. I was defending you straight up. But then, like, the last little bit is the only time I didn't defend you. And when I went to, like, do my own research, like, that's when I saw things. So then, like, we went to New York, and you were on stage, you were saying, like, oh, I hope to get to a better place with TJ and Brad. And then 30 minutes later, we went up to Molly's room, and I hear you on the phone as completely backpedaling off everything you said. So then that's when I started to really feel some sort of type of way towards you. And then after that, like, I'm going and telling someone that I'm unsafe. That really broke me because you have that kind of relationship that you know what kind of relationship we have. And I would never think that.

[Ronnie Caram]

Brad. Brad. Brad. Brad. Brad. Brad. Brad. Brad. Brad. Brad. The text was so aggressive. Brad. And everyone's like, oh, God. Around the table. Because everyone was already groaning at the. Yeah, you know, stalker.

[Ben Mandelker]

Unsafe was bad. Oh, and he's like, using a great keyword. Oh, she's like, I know. You're very eloquent. Like, oh, Emmy, no.

[Ronnie Caram]

It was so, so aggress. Like, I don't know why you texted me that. Like, I mean, I did. Like, like, truly, Brad. Like, you're. You're, like, dead to me. Like, you know, like, the word. Your voice. You're dead to me, you know? And he's like, I literally said back what you said, though. And she's like, what? Wait, why would I say dead to me too? Like, it. Yeah, no. She goes, no, no, no, no. And he goes, what? Why would I say dead to me too? You said it to me in the text first. I said. Or you said it to me first in the conversation. And I said, you're dead to me too. And she's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

She goes. She goes, I did not say you were dead to me. It was probably my fiance. I'm like, okay, so Will. So Brad could not tell the difference between Will and Emmy's voice. That makes total sense.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Molly's like, well, I heard it. And that came from your mouth. And she says, yeah, my hotel room was directly next to Emmy's, and we shared a wall, and I heard everything. So for her to be, like, dead to me. You didn't hear that, girl. I heard you blowing your nose at 4 in the morning. Like, thanks for waking me up, by the way. Nose blower.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm a very light sleeper, turns out. So Brad is like, okay, so why did you say that I made you feel unsafe. She's like, well, you were angry, and you're angry after. After this. And then the text that I got you. I've never seen such a text like that. I've never seen you talk to anyone like that. And everyone. Again, everyone's just like, oh, Emmy. Microaggressions left and right.

[Ronnie Caram]

So, Brad, in this neighborhood, like, do you belong here? Like, where are you going? Like, where are you going right now? Like, why are you wearing a hoodie? Trying to rob a house? And he's like, well, I was pissed, and that's why I was texting like that. It's like, brad, Brad, Brad. Okay, Brad, look, look, guys, Guys. Brad. I mean, you're scary. You're scary. Like, you're scary. Every time she says a sentence, everyone's

[Ben Mandelker]

like, oh, God, it's so bad.

[Ronnie Caram]

You were outside my door. Like, you were outside my door, and I was scared. Like, I was scared. I was, like, on the phone with the police.

[Ben Mandelker]

I hate to. I don't. I don't mean to. You know, it's. It's actually a very serious thing, because this is sort of language that gets people arrested, shot, and killed. All it's like. And this is, like, a trauma that people live through is like, you know, like. Especially, like, white women saying these things, and it has led to so many terrible things in history, you know? Yeah, but, like, what I'm laughing at is just how, like, oh, you are. It's like. It's just like one after the other after the other. It's like, girl, it's like. It's almost like. It's almost like a stereotype. It's almost like. Like, I'm like, is this for real right now? It's crazy. Just one after the other after the other.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Mia is like, the situation obviously not funny. Like, and you can tell. Everyone's face is like, oh. Like, she just has no idea. It's just funny because it's like a total Karen. Not just Karening out a little baby Karen, like, going even further down the path. Every time you ask her something, it just gets worse and worse.

[Ben Mandelker]

She thinks she's clearing things up, and she's making it worse and worse. And you're like, girl, come on now. So Mia is like, so you were scared of Bradley Carter being asked. Okay, come on. Come on.

[Ronnie Caram]

Come on, Mia. Come on. Come on, Mia. I mean, come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, here's. So Mia tells us. Here's my advice for you, Emmy, in this moment. Shut up. Stop Talking. She doesn't know what her words can do to a black man in a town like this. Even if you didn't mean it in a certain way, it can come off a certain way. So Michael's like, like, okay, before you say something, you can't, like, you can't say that. Say you're. Say you're scared because, like, that can come off as, like a microaggression. And she's like, wait, what? Huh? No, wait, no, no. What? Huh?

[Ronnie Caram]

No, no, I didn't mean that. I didn't mean that. I didn't mean that. I just meant, like, you know, like, like terrifying. Like, you know what I mean? Like, terrifying. Like, I just. It's like a big black man coming at you.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's scary.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, Emily. No, Emmy. No, no.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Brad's like, well, what did you think I was going to do to you? And she's like, I mean, I. I don't know. And you had your boyfriend there. You think I'm going to bust down the door? And she's like, well, all I'm saying is, like, in my five years, like, of being friends with you, like, I've never seen you speak to anyone like that. Like, like, I've never seen you, like, text anyone like that. Like, whoa.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I don't agree with the verbiage. Like, men of color were continuously fighting stereotypes and just like a never ending battle. And Maddie tells us, I can't validate that. I. I can't validate that Emmy actually feels that way, but she's got to get better words. And Brad is saying, you know, when I'm angry or when I'm upset or when my feelings are hurt, I have to be so careful on how I react, on how I carry myself, on what I say, and that's not fair. And I texted you and I didn't even knock on your door. I didn't even raise my voice at you. So now why am I all of a sudden a threat to you or your safety? Because I've shown a little bit of emotion. And the truth is, that's such a great point because he showed a little bit of emotion on texts. And you compare that to the number of times that Emmy has gone, you know, running out of the room crying angry tears, you know, like that. That finger goes shaking. And this is exactly what was also being talked about the night prior on Summer House, about, like, just how. How, you know, people, like, just the privilege that Emmy has versus how people like Brad and Michaels and Mia And Sierra and KJ and other MIA and have to have to consider that things that, like Emmy and Kyle don't have to. So, you know. You know, but of course, it's on this silly show, which is, like, funny because they're, like, all fighting, and then the next scene, they're all just like, okay, now let's do shots together.

[Ronnie Caram]

I mean. Yeah. And, you know, like, no, I. I don't think guys should be texting to a woman anyway. And that happens a lot on these southern shows. And I don't know if it's like, an age thing or if it's what it is. And it's the gay guys a lot of the times who are like. And I don't. You know, it's not. Like, we never say on this show. You know what I mean? But I wouldn't. I don't tell my girlfriend, like, shut up.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, just.

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't love that. But even so you can say, like, hey, I don't. Like, I don't love you calling me a. Like, what the hell? That's not cool. And not call production and say, I feel unsafe. And, like, try and elevate it to this level. I mean, what she's doing is so beyond, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, you're.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's just.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're allowed to be offended by a text that is like, you're dead to me too, or whatever. You're allowed to, but, like.

[Ronnie Caram]

But it's.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like when you. When you're like, I feel unsafe.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. I'm calling production, like, and trying to affect his job. And then, you know, the stuff she says in the rest of the episode about people, it's like, it's dangerous. You know, you're basically calling people rapists and stalkers and. And abusers and stuff when you don't get your way. And that's some dangerous Emmy. Oh, my God. And then she never even sees it and just trip down throughout the episode is crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she. She. That's. It's not right. So Justin says, hey, I think it's important to not minimize Emy's emotions, but at the same time realize that you would never do something like that. Just listen. Listen, Brad. We don't need to hyper fixate on it. Maybe unsafe is the wrong word. I mean, listen, I just. I needed space. I need space. And she goes, brad is a calm, cool CL of man. He does not snap. But after I had gotten off that reunion stage, I was in my hotel room with my fiance, and I'm a fucking mess. And I'm calling my mom and I get a text. Lower your fucking voice. You're dead to me too, bitch. Like, what? What? There's no privacy. I'm freaking out. I can't breathe at all. I'm like, you're.

[Ronnie Caram]

The.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, you're. It's. It's not his fault that you're, like, in a deranged state, okay? Like, sorry. It's not his fault.

[Ronnie Caram]

And he's like, well, that hurt me to my core because you're. You were a close friend. And she's like, brad, Brad, Brad. I never wanted to get here to begin with, okay? Like, it's sad, like, knowing at one. One point, like, you were supposed to be. You're supposed to be a groomsman. You're supposed to be a groomsman. My wedding with my fiance. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, guys. I'm crying. Okay, here they come. The. The white lady tears. She doubles down. She calls production. And now here come the tears. And gracefully is like, are you serious? He was going to be a Grims man.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

Brad's like. Like, it's sad, and it's really unfortunate. She goes, I love you. And it's just like, it's really sad because. But it didn't feel like. It didn't feel like it, right? She goes, I know. I know it doesn't feel. Because I was. I was like. And you know how angry my fiance gets. So now she's putting it on to Will.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yes. Put it will. So TJ's like, well, sometimes the way that you feel towards people is influenced by Will. Like, personally, I don't think you would have went on that podcast after the reunion if Will wasn't there. And you pushed a narrative upon me that, you know is not true. It's like, oh, my God, Will. Or me. Like, we never had any intention of going on that podcast and saying anything like that about you, like, ever. And he's like, well, it could have been easily stopped. And she's like. And he says after the podcast, he was flooded in DMS with, you know, people saying he was a rapist. And they show all these, you know, messages like, oh, yeah, he. He basically raped him, and that was assault. And. No, no, no, no. The gay guy raped the. The. The straight drunk guy the second he had a chance and stuff. And he's like, you know, you. You could have shut down that conversation and said, you don't want to talk about it. And she's like, well, I genuinely did not know what to say when he said it. So I just, like, tacitly agreed, like, duh. Is that what you do?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Yeah. And so TJ's like, I mean, she could have just shut the whole thing up. You know, she called me a rapist on the podcast. Molly. I just thought. Molly goes, what is wrong with you?

[Ronnie Caram]

I mean, I didn't. I didn't. I did. I just let him call you a rape. I mean, it' like, no. Like, well, I don't know if you're a rapist. I mean, if he says you're a rapist, and I'm just, like, agreeing, like, I didn't say it. I mean, come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

You went with it. You did. Michael's goes, whoever said it, the whole goal of sitting at this table is for resolution. Just, like. Exactly, bro. Resolution. And also me grabbing some sweet tits. Come on. Who wants to get into my hands? So TJ's like, you. You know, you're saying, like, I swear, I promise, like, I would never do that. And I heard you say that about Molly as well, while liking comments about fat shaming. Then we heard through the weeds, through the wall, laughing about it. So I'm like, oh, looping Molly into it as well. I was like, I didn't even know there was a Molly angle.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Because there were three of them. Remember, he said Bradley said, there's three people. So I guess it's Molly, tj, and Brad. And so, I mean, he's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Listen, listen, listen. And while he's like, no, it is absolutely disgusting that you would let me be humiliated. Ridiculous, Molly. So Molly reminds us that on stage at the reunion, she confronted Emmy about liking inappropriate comments. And it's. One of them said, it's always the thick girls coming for the skinny girls. And I guess she liked that comment. And so we see that reunion footage, and Emmy saying, I deleted it. I deleted issues. Yeah. Then why are you deleting comments? She's like, because I delete. I delete hate comments. That's why I delete mean comments. Emmy is like, you left hers, and then you pinned it. Oh, my God, Emmy, you pinned it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Not the pinning. She goes, I never. No, I did not. I never pinned it. I deleted the comment immediately. Oh, my God, Molly. Oh, my God.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know, linked to it in your bio.

[Ben Mandelker]

You put it on your LinkedIn. You said you were working at fat shaming. So Emmy is like, I deleted that immediately. And you want to know why? Because she's a little victim. And I knew she was gonna self identify with a comment that didn't even use her goddamn name, and she was gonna make it all about herself. So she goes, do you wanna. Do you wanna have my Instagram for a day and see how many notifications I get? I mean, listen, listen. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 4.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm sorry. 4. What are you sorry for? That's a very important thing to talk about. My tribal ancestors always insist on a full apology.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so Michaels goes.

[Ronnie Caram]

Valid question. It's a valid question.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You know, I know it's. I know it's a triggering conversation for you. I would say for some people, maybe it's a very heavy conversation for you. Oh, wrong word. I know this is a massive issue in our relationship. Sorry, wrong word. There's a lot of robust challenges. Wrong word. What should I say? What should I say?

[Ronnie Caram]

Listen, I just want to get to the point. Let's just cut the fat. I mean, that's probably not the right way.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. We're in the thick of it. No,

[Ronnie Caram]

listen, I just want you to be a big girl about this.

[Ben Mandelker]

This weighs on me a lot. Okay.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay. You guys. You guys. You guys look like Warren Poly right now. Basically, like, open concepts. Am I right? So I think we should call it quits. Like. Like, we've made it a long way. I think it's, like, definitely, like. It's, like, moving in the right direction. As the next owner of a business of something somewhere that level has, like. I just want to say, like, open concept. I love.

[Ben Mandelker]

Joe just decides arbitrarily. It's over now. I'm like, what? I felt like they actually were making progress, and I feel like they were getting through to Emmy and they were sort of building some bridges. And Joe's like, okay, guys, listen, let's not, like, ruin this open concept. So let's have. That's enough for today. So Grizzly's like, all right, let's drink. Goodbye. I'm like, okay, well, heavy conversation is now officially done.

[Ronnie Caram]

I need some. I need some fresh air. Like. Like, will you come with me? I need to breathe. I need to breathe. And they're like, oh, my God, are you leaving? It's like. So she goes outside hyperventilating, and Lake comes out like, hey, you did okay. It shows that you love and care when you have the. Those reactions. People who don't care don't hyperventilate.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm Lake. So Mia's like, Michaels. Are they best friends now? Blake and Emmy, y'.

[Ronnie Caram]

All.

[Ben Mandelker]

They, like, squash their beef like, they did. Like, so Lake is like, you know, who loves you, you know who cares about you, and you know your truth. I'm Lake. Lake is like, yeah, I was kind of a shady bitch to Emmy last year, and we see that. They were like. Like, the shady montage just. And there were, like, a lot of moments. She was doing, like, a lot. But I. I do a lot, too. But by the way. No, by the way, like, you don't do a lot like that. You're too stoned to do a lot like that. She goes. So I got to talking to her after Michael's forced us to kind of come together and Kumbaya, and she's batshit crazy, but I like that. So we're friends, and we're friends, and we're good.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, I know who you are. Remember what I told you. You're strong. You're strong. She's like, oh, my God. But, like, like, the. Out of Brad, like, I respect him. Like, the same way that I respect, like, I don't know, Jason or that, like, Michael guy who chases people around with knacks, you know, like, he's terrifying, but, like, he can sell a movie. Scary. Scary villain.

[Ben Mandelker]

Scary is a good thing sometimes, you know? Like. Like, yeah, you were strong. You were strong. And Maddie's like, you did a good job. You did a good job. So Bella. Bella's back, and she goes, yeah, you know what? You owned up to what you needed to say. And there everyone's, like, hugging Emmy. And so Brad goes out to talk to her, and TJ's like, how many people can hug Emmy at the same time? Which is true.

[Ronnie Caram]

Everyone's consoling her, and she's like, can I have a hug? Can I have a hug, Brad? Okay, softer. Softer. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

But in all seriousness. And then they all start chanting, squash the beef. All these kids need a bra.

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[Ronnie Caram]

And he's like, okay, I appreciate the apology. So he says, they've been friends for a long time, and maybe they can start going in a better direction now. So they decide to move forward. And then, Michael, let's see what happens next. So when you go to the Bahamas. Wait, what are they talking about? Fish.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know about the fish part. Wait. All I know is that Brad and Emmy, they just. They go back inside. Everything is good. And he's like, everyone. She's not leaving. Everything is okay. So now they just are partying. And they're like. Now they're back like, okay, the tense moment. We talked about the microaggressions. We squashed the beef. Everyone is good again. Now we're in this mansion. We're gonna party. So they're all just like, oh, my God. We're in a mansion. Let's say they finally realize they're in a mansion. So they're just partying in every square footage. And at one point, they go into a bedroom, and Julia is like, this is where I ate Brad's ass last night. Oh, my God. Did you actually. It's fun sometimes. Oh, my God. You want to eat my ass? He's like, no, I'm not really into fish, but if I ever change my palette, I'll let you know. And that explains the fish comment. Fish roll report.

[Ronnie Caram]

Fish report. So they just cheer and have fun. And Justin's like, yeah, party time. And Mia's, like, break dancing. And I don't know. They're just having a good time. So Emmy holds up the Tequila bottle. And she's like, you guys. You guys, this historical moment. This is the first time I've drank since September of 2023. Okay, I'm coming back. And Grace is like, wow, are you sure you won't do that? Because if you're being sober but then you have a drink, I think that means you don't get to be sober no more.

[Ben Mandelker]

Brad's like, you really don't have to do that. She's like, no, I'm having a shot. I'm not. I'm not. I'm just. I'm not going to keep drinking. I'm just gonna take a shot to commemorate working on being friends again. But I'm not taking the shot alone, so everyone needs to do it with me. And it's like, okay, I'll do it with you. Because since we're in Bali after all, why not do a shot for Bali, right?

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, guys, here's to any chapter. Oh, my God. Hopefully this is, like, the. The best chapter. Okay, let's have a drama drink. So they take a drink, and Mia's like, well, at least she'll be drunk now, because you haven't had one in so long. And so everybody cheers to them. And then Mia's like, yeah, and cheers to my first night being single. And Michaels is like, what the is wrong with you? That guy was, like, so hot. Like, why would you break up with that guy?

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, seriously, they were just in Hawaii together.

[Ronnie Caram]

What?

[Ben Mandelker]

What the happened in Hawaii? You're supposed to be. And they having fun in Hawaii. Brad's like, wow, no one said y'. All. I just blame it on her because Troy's perfect.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she's like, yeah, long distance, you know, that's never gonna work. But I'm okay, guys. I'm okay. You know what? If you want to send me your condolences, send me your hottest friends Instagram through my dm. Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, oh, my God, Mia.

[Ronnie Caram]

Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's. And she's like, no, I'm fine. I'm totally fine. You know, you just didn't want to move to Charlotte, so just. Justin's like, yeah, I prayed for this. What did Michael Jordan say? You miss 100 of the shots you don't take. And on screen, it's like, no, that was Wayne Gretzky, you idiot. So they cheers to Mia, and Joe's like, well, guys, we should all go down to the street. Let's go to the bar. Which I was. By the way, I always think that's one of the funniest things when you get like an Airbnb and then you immediately leave it to go somewhere else, I'm like, why did you even get the Airbnb in the first place?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So then some of them jump in the pool, and then a lot of people go to the bar, and Justin's like, whoa, you know what like, a body shot is? It's like. It's like the top three things to get over a heartbreak. Mia, I swear to God, she says, who told you that? And he's like, science.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, okay, well, let me see your belly button. He was like, yeah, my belly button's cute. She goes, oh, hell, I haven't been single in years. And I don't mind, you know, flirting with an attractive man. I think it's a bit overdue, some would say. And then they do like a conga line and they're partying, and TJ does a body shot off of Michael's. But then they make out. But it's like a real make out. And I was like, oh, my God, the two guys are finally kissing. It's all happening.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Emmy, who just got out of Trouble, is like, TJ was born in, like, 1990, and Michaels was born in 2002. I mean, that is a big difference. Okay, like, okay, have fun. Have fun with grandpa. Have fun on the Epstein's list. What the fuck?

[Ben Mandelker]

Does Emmy not look around her town? Has she not seen the relationships on Charles in Charleston?

[Ronnie Caram]

No kidding.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is like having it. Having like an 8, like a. Like a 12 year gap is that's considered to be basically, like, might as well be twins?

[Ronnie Caram]

I feel like that's nothing these days, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I mean, this is usually. I think I feel like most of the guys walk around that city have like a 35 to 40 year gap between them and their girlfriends.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. On Southern charm, you got to have at least a decade to even be considered. So Justin is doing body shots off Mia, and she's complimenting him, and she's like, yeah, he didn't look too bad from up top. And he's like, I want to kiss. Let's kiss right now. I'm gonna kiss you tonight. So she runs away and she's like, up the Uber.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now they all have to work tomorrow, so bye. So it's time to catch up with everyone. So first up, we have Jordan and Molly. This is like the next day. And Jordan's like, okay, I think these are the last bags. And Molly's like, you got everything? And she's like, yeah. And Molly Says, after folly, I'm hung tits. Jordan goes, yeah. How are you feeling? She's like, like, ass Zofran working overtime. And that concludes Molly and Jordan theater.

[Ronnie Caram]

Jordan. Jordan's like, did you find my rouge? I need it. Please give me my rose. So Julie and Brad. We go over to Julie and Brad, and Brad's like, did you use my toothbrush? And she's like, no, I use the purple. He's like, seriously, because you ate my ass last night. I'd really not like to brush my teeth with my own ass. Be nice.

[Ben Mandelker]

And now we have Mia, who's just doing some sort of trippy red light mask things on her bed. It's like shot from above. It's, like, very, very cinematic.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And then Brad and Justin talking about how they're hungover and stuff. And Justin has a date night coming up with Mia. They had a long night on the couch. We see them talking on the couch, and he asked her on a date. He's like, you want to go to Marbled and Finn?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. She goes, that's my spot. Because I love a good steak and a good fish. Marbled and fin. And so then I just realized, actually, I was making fun of it. I'm like, oh, that's probably why it's called Marbled and Fin. Because, like, what is that stupid name? I realized, oh, it's like steak and fish. So then.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, but I still think it's stupid. I mean, marbled in fins. Yeah. Marbled and finished. Shouldn't it be, like, marbled and scaled? Something like, I don't know, something that the fish is, like, the surface. Marbled. The fish is something.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Tender.

[Ronnie Caram]

Wow. Or like hoof and flaky or something. Maybe.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Stupid.

[Ronnie Caram]

Anyway, so Justin's like, yeah. And then I go back and I'm chilling at my spot, and the door busts open, and it's Jordan. Not even, hey, like, how's it going? It was like, oh, hey, I heard you tried to get with Mia. And I was like, oh, got me. And Brad goes. And then she left and goes, nah, she stayed pretty sad. Jordan's a pretty sad character.

[Ben Mandelker]

I told her I had some rouge, so, you know, hard to resist that. I like Jordan's company, but Mia really gets me going. She reminds me of women up north. You know, I'm from Boston, and women in Boston are a bit more up front. They don't really take a lot of. And I like that. My dad is Lebanese. He's more, you know, where we got the affection. My mom's Irish Catholic. Like, she definitely didn't take any of my. Or any. And I think a lot of that rubbed off on me as well. So Mia's like a female version of me.

[Ronnie Caram]

So he's my brother.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's Irish. I was like, it was Ronnie Caram in a wig.

[Ronnie Caram]

It was me. It's me with hair when I was a boy. So Joe's like, well, you are, like, toxic as brother. Or as they sell it. Same ballet toxic as. He's like, yeah. So now the ladies come in, and Joe's like, hey, let's say hi. This man. Many people as we can on King 3 and sell some tables to the day dates.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Justin's like, yeah, let's do it. Okay, cool. So it's a shift change. And so Lake comes in. I'm like, Auntie J is like, oh, my God, a lesbian. Because I guess that's the way like, is dressed. And she's like, where? He's like, where'd you just come from? And Michael's like, oh, I went to dinner. It's like, oh, nice. Yeah, it was good. The oysters were, like, really good. I'll be right back. I'm gonna get the steamer. Okay. And then, like, oh, my God, So much Bella. Out of nowhere, it's like, there is a lot of sexual tension there. Did anyone feel that? Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So much sexual tension. He's like, oh, my God. You guys, chill. Like, there's definitely sexual tension with Michaels. Like, there always is, but, like, why can't we just have fun and make out? I mean, you know, like, after last summer, there were times when things did get, honestly, kind of weird, but. And then we see. Yeah, like, I was kind of upset because you kissed me, but then there was, like, never a conversation about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I forgot about that. Stupid. What was going on? Where are we? So then TJ's like. He's like. I mean, me and Michaels are friends, and we both find each other attractive, and we get drunk and we have fun, and we continue on with life. Emmy's like, stay away from geezer. So TJ is like, we can just be, like, fine after making out. It's like, totally fine. Everything's fine. Everything's fine. Everything's fine. Everything's like.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Emmy comes in, and everyone's being nicer today. So she's like, yeah, it's nice that TJ and I can, like, work under the same roof. But, like, we just needed to have, like, a progressive conversation. And it was progressive. Like, it started one place, and it Went to another place and like, now it's cool. So, like, we could totally be in the same room together.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Yeah, we did have a progressive conversation. Okay. By the way, we did not have a progressive conversation. Emmy might think that we had a progressive conversation, but I honestly don't accept her half ass apology. More like a progress. So conversation like it was canned and tasted like sex. Deep. So time for the meeting. All right, so for tonight, obviously we're missing some bodies. Maddie's not here tonight because she's at a concert with her dad. And then we have the boys, Justin, Joe and Brad, and they're out walking the streets. I would have loved it if it cut to like those guys, like dressed as hookers and drag. They just have big curly haired wigs and like a little short, like a shiny, like, you want it?

[Ronnie Caram]

You want a night in Bali? Yeah, I'll pull it over, Daddy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, daddy. Hey, you want Bali night over Republic? Yeah, big boy. Get over there.

[Ronnie Caram]

Marbles aren't the only thing I can swallow, Daddy. Pull over to the side of the row. Play with your marbles. They call me Joey Marbles for a reason. Pull over.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like one of those 1980s cop movies where the cops have to dress up like prostitutes. It's like, it's wacky, but I actually

[Ronnie Caram]

always love this it, Justin. Instead, they're like trying to get people into the club. And Justin's like, hey, turn that petty cab around and partying girls and get back to Republic. Okay, see you there. Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're scaring them. You didn't mention it was Bali. You have to tell them it's Bali, otherwise they'll go away.

[Ronnie Caram]

So then they're going into bars and be like, hey, hey, guys, we gotta go. We're going to Republic after this.

[Ben Mandelker]

You want to come? The Joe tells us, yeah. Back when I was 11th, poster boy, you know, her shiny star. Instead of like going straight to work, I used to go to like, I pop into like every single spot on King Street. Like along the way I'd go to like bubbles and branch and like branch and bubbles and like fins and marbles and like fins and bubbles and then bubbles and bubbles and fins. It was like, like a lot of cool places to go to. And I was just like, people.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. I'd be like, you know what? Like, you gotta enter night at Republic. And one time level was like, why are there so many people in home goods uniforms here? And I was like, well, I went to every place on King Street. And she was like, you don't have to go into every place, Joe. It was funny.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. The CVS people were so mad when I couldn't see them after Leva kicked them out.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Joe. Leva's like, yeah, Joe's good at that. Like, Joe's a man about town. I have Lisa Vanderpump here this season. And so Joe. We see Joe talking to this older lady. She's like, hi, I'm Donna. And he's like, donna. I haven't met Donna. She's stunning, just like you always wanted to. My Aunt Donna. You coming down later?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. You're so hot. You're almost as hot as Aunt Donna. She's so hot. Anyway, yeah, come on. Come on, Donna. And so love is like, yeah, we own multiple businesses, in case you didn't know, because I mentioned every single episode of every single season of the show, we own multiple businesses, which is on King street, which is the it street in Charleston. Yeah. So good luck having a business here, because that's the place to be. And these are all completely. They all have a completely different vibe so that, you know, someone could come in on the weekend, experience all these different spaces. They can, like, you know, you can wear your Tommy Bahama in dark light, wear your Tommy Bahama in warm light. You can wear your Tommy Bahama in purple light. It's just so many different experiences for your Tommy Bahama shorts and shirts.

[Ronnie Caram]

And just like, yeah, if I want to prove to Leva that I'm ready to own my own spot one day, like, I think the best thing I can do is go back to my roots, the OG Joy bottles, talk to everyone on the street. That's what I'm gonna do.

[Ben Mandelker]

And everyone's like, hi, Joe.

[Ronnie Caram]

Landon.

[Ben Mandelker]

Was that really Landon.

[Ronnie Caram]

Landon just passing by on every show, filming that? She.

[Ben Mandelker]

Was it really Landon?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, it was Landon. Yeah. I was literally Landon. He's like, oh, hey, how are you, Landon? How you doing? I got a parking spot for y' all if you want to come in here. It's like,

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like. She just finally finished her HTML mock up on that website. So Joe's like, yeah, I gotta become a leader again, Earn the respect bar. Not only from lover, but myself. I'm like, oh, doesn't respect himself anymore.

[Ronnie Caram]

Zoe brings in all the girls, and love is like, wow, nice. That's what I want to see. Like, he came in with, like, a ton of girls. I like the way you walked up, like, so much energy with, like, girls. Look. Look how many girls there are. Wow. Hi, girls. But I need you to do this every night, Joe. Like, you need to bring in, like, girls every night.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay?

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, I need you to keep it going because, like, you start, but then tomorrow you could finish. I need you to do this every day of your life. I want you to wake up. I want you to look at your breakfast. I don't want you to see eggs and sausage. I want you to see girls that you can bring in. Then I want you to bring them so I can bring my eggs and sausage to vip. No, Joe. It's the saying. Joe. Trying to help you, Joe.

[Ben Mandelker]

Look, I could teach anyone to sell tables. It's not just selling tables. It's looking at the analytics. It's showing up to shifts. It's looking at Google tables and seeing what the numbers are these days. It's showing up to meetings. It's planning events. It's getting into hr. It's understanding what HR policies are. It's also making sure people don't violate HR policies. It's also making sure there's no microaggressions due to the HR policies. It's also showing up in the office when Leah CEO sits you down and says, look, you really up, Joe. And you have to listen. That's what running a club is all about.

[Ronnie Caram]

So you're gonna do that, Joe. And he's like. But, like, seriously, like, where the Beatles. The Beatles are dead, Joe. Are you gonna do it or not? He's like, I'm, like, taking this so seriously. And I just. My. My eggs and bacon want to thank you. They're totally doing shots right now at the bar.

[Ben Mandelker]

Look, I. I made. I put my bacon so it looks like a smiley face with the ax. It's not cool. No, no, it's not.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's real grand slam request. So they're doing a sign, and Brad and Emmy are interacting, and he asked her how tonight is, and she's like, well, it was really slow until, like, 10 minutes ago. Yeah. And so she's, like, psyched that they're all friends again. And Brad's happy. They're friends again. And Emmy congratulates him. And she's like. I mean, it's like, kind of crazy. Like, you guys brought, like, 50 people. And then one of the girls is like, they didn't bring that many.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Brad is like, she loves to try to keep a man humble. So he makes a sign that says bride tribe. And now it's a whole new day. Just. I know everyone wanted to see how that bride tribe would turn out, but you'll just have to imagine them because Joe's washing us for no good reason. We see Joe in slow mo, shirtless, washing his truck, and he announces, the closest I'll get to cheating on Maddie. God, it's my truck. And then we just move on from there.

[Ronnie Caram]

But it's like a really sexy, like, sketch. It's just like slowly washing it. It's like. So then we go to Molly's apartment and like, it's over there and they're like, getting ready for a party and putting like little cheeses together and stuff. And it's gonna be girls night. No, but, like, seriously, I've been wanting a girl's night, like, really bad, cuz I'm Lake and the gays are coming too. And so she goes, yes, prep. I was like, wow, it's a prep party.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, wow.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's a crazy. Is it? This is a crazy gay party.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, it's girls night. And then we're going to make the gays sleep with each other. Yes. Prep. By the way, I. It's. It's a tough episode for Emmy because not only was she doing the microaggression hall of fame, but she has unfortunately lost her title as charcuterie queen of southern hospitality. Emmy had three amazing seasons of inviting people over to her very clean apartment with a very well made bed. And she always put together a very tight, organized, and well composed charcuterie plate. But Molly is like, oh, she's gonna fat shame me. Well, as long as I'm being fat shamed, I'm gonna make the charcuterie tray. Of all charcuterie trays, she fills up her entire kitchen island with charcuterie and she has it all laid out. And I was like, wow, this was. You can't beat it. It was the best. It was the best charcuterie tray we've ever. It's the best homemade charcuterie spread we've ever seen on Bravo. I'm just gonna say it.

[Ronnie Caram]

I mean, I just remember the mozzarella treat. Really? The mozzarella tomato tray. But was it really a good tray? Like, was it a solid tray of shark?

[Ben Mandelker]

It was. It was like coast to coast. It was just. It was. It was enormous. It was well organized. I'll try to pull up an image and I will.

[Ronnie Caram]

Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

You just. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, congratulations to her. So congratulations. Today marks one month since I broke up with my useless boyfriend. So I just want a night with all my girls, my gays, away from straight, toxic dick. So it's a pajama party and they're talking about like, what pajamas they're gonna wear? And stu.

[Ben Mandelker]

That.

[Ronnie Caram]

And then Blake is like, oh, my God. I'm trying to use the scissors, but one of your eyelashes is stuck to it. She goes, yeah, you're gonna. You're gonna get a lot of those. She said, girl, put this back on your eye. She's like, you will find my eyelashes everywhere in this house.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's.

[Ronnie Caram]

That girl came over the other day and left one on her cheek. She thought it was rouge.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's so desperate. She's so desperate for something. My cheeks are naked. Please help my cheeks. Please help the cheeks.

[Ronnie Caram]

Are your cheeks blinking so like. Like, that looks so pretty. The charcuterie. But you know what? I have bad news. I don't think Emmy's gonna be able to make it tonight because she felt like. Like, maybe you should have invited her instead of me. And she's like, oh, you know what? I text her right now, and, like, she still wouldn't. Like, whatever. It wouldn't have mattered, so she still wouldn't have come. I can't win. I can't. I can't win with her. Like, I just can't. And she says the thing about Emmy is, like, she's a performance queen, and she would have pretended that she actually gave a fuck when she apologized to her if she cared. And she's never remotely acted like she cares, and it hurts Molly's feelings. And so she invited Emmy, and that was her last olive branch to her, even though she did it through Lake.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is not as strong of a feud. I believe the Emmy won't respond to Lake's invitation. She'll only respond to a direct invitation from Molly. But okay, sure, if we want to. If we. If this is where we want to go into the. The climax of the episode. Sure.

[Ronnie Caram]

So we go to Emmy's coming and swinging, right? Because she didn't really have much last year. I didn't remember her, like, when she came on this. This season and was like, I'm so mad. I was like, who? It took me a minute to remember Molly.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what? Here's what I think about. This is what I think about with Molly at Bravocon, the way that the. The way that the actual convention was set up. There's this giant convention center, this giant building, and there was sort of like, this few stairs that would lead up to this big, wide outdoor area that you would. There was sort of like a bazaar and ticketing and everything out there. And then the building. And on the building, they had, like, all these pictures of all it's like every Bravo Liberty that was going to be there was there. And I remember I was standing at the stairs, and then Molly came up the staircase. I was like, who's that girl again? Because she was, like, in full glam in, like, this purple dress or whatever. And she got at the top of the staircase, and someone was like, molly, we have to go. She goes, hold on, hold on. And she, like, just took a picture of herself on the side of the building. She was like, I just wanted to take a picture of myself on the side of the building. And I thought, this girl, she's. She's fighting for. She's fighting for her spot. You know, she's like, I just want to have some sort of photographic proof that I was on this network and in this convention. I was like, I can't be mad at this poor girl, you know?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I'm not mad at her. You know, I'm just saying, you know, she's making some effort because she. She didn't have the most memorable season. So I think this year, she's like, gotta work it. You know, I'm gonna fight about everything. Today. It's gonna be charcuterie, so.

[Ben Mandelker]

Charcuterie. I. I got. I. I got a screen grab. I've managed to multitask crazy. Because I'm not a good multitasker. Let me see if I can. If I can share it on screen here. I think this is an important thing for. For all of us to see. This is a crap. Ins. On demand specific.

[Ronnie Caram]

This is good. Yeah, this is.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is a. This is an exclusive crap.

[Ronnie Caram]

I will say it's not like the tightly coiled meats, and there is a lot of food, but it's not as artistically put together. I mean, Emma Emmy does have some art with her charcuterie. This is like a bunch of grapes, you know, big pile, lots of grape. A lot of reliance on grapes.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm going to push back. Respectfully, Ronnie. What you can see in the background here is. And we saw her composing this. She made this beautiful caprese salad, spiral salad, almost in the shape of a French tian. And that's like her moment to say, here I can be. I can do the composition. I can do compose and symmetry. But then I can also do something a little bit more carefree, where there's like. Like, here's a sleeve of crackers laid askew. Lane askew. And here's some cheese crumbles. And. Oh, look, we. And she also has. She has the little things to go in the cheese with the wooden handles. Right. And she's. I'm gonna say, I think, like, these knives. I think, like, I think for the sheer volume and that she was able to put this all over her entire table and make it look good. I. I have to. Honestly, I just have to give it to Molly. I think she takes the crown from Emma. Emmy, you know.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, well, you know, you heard it here first. So then we go to Peyton and Emmy.

[Ben Mandelker]

And last probably, too. Only actually. Well, we'll use the word. You heard it here only because I don't think anyone else cares.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, we'll care again when it's Emmy's turn. When next time someone goes to Emmy's apartment, we'll have to have a charcuterie off. So leave that on your desktop so we can call it back up again for a competition.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just one last look. There it is. One last time. Remember this, everyone? And. Okay, it's locked into everyone's communal memory

[Ronnie Caram]

on the actual table. It wasn't on, like, trays, Right. Did she just put it on the actual table?

[Ben Mandelker]

You. You can actually see she has, like, a. Some fabric, like a runner, you know, so it's like. It's.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's kind of cool when people do that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So, okay, so we go to Peyton and Emmy, and Emmy's on FaceTime. That's her sister Peyton. So they're on FaceTime. And. And he's like, yeah. And Emmy's like, I guess, like, every motherfucker wants a piece of me and Peyton. Like, Brad or my Pete. My Peyton. Like, Brad, tj, Molly. Like, they all want to sit down and, like, have a chat. No, I'm sorry, Peyton. Everyone wants a piece of me. So I'm trying to say, okay, it's this party. Brad, tj, Molly, they all want to sit down and have a chat. Like, Molly tried coming up to me. It was just like, I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't have time for her. Like, who is she? Like, she was attacking me for a mean comments, and she. She. She, like, attached to herself to. It was, like, posted on my Instagram. Didn't even have anything to do with her. She had one eyelash on her eye and, like, the other one on her temple. Like, I don't even know who that girl is.

[Ben Mandelker]

What the Biden goes. It was one comment. I'm like, if someone just says to me once, like, ben, you're. You're a fat. I'm like, I will probably remember that. You know?

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, you know, I pin it at the top of my Instagram, like, you'd be like, excuse me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Excuse you? How dare you?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, that would be like 20 years at least, and I wouldn't blame you. So Emmy's like, yeah. And I, like, I. I had this conversation with her so she was shut the up and just like, leave me alone. Like, I don't give a shit, you know, So I apologize. Like, it doesn't matter if I agree with the apology or not. I mean, just move the on, you know what I mean? But, like, anyways, you know. You know the podcast I went on, like, that guy's very famous. He was on the Bachelor, you know, I was like, huge for us, you know? And then TJ tries to act. Have a conversation with me at the dinner table. Like, he's kind of combative. And I like, told him, like, you need to chill. Like, he's his own worst enemy. Like, he would rape himself if he could.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so Emmy's like, like, what am I supposed to say? And pain goes, well, it's a shitty situation, but it's like, not your guy's fault. Yeah, it wasn't. You know, I don't think TJ is a predator.

[Ronnie Caram]

And I.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I do think he was being inappropriate with. After getting. Going drunk after a straight men. And I didn't want to say it, and I don't want to talk about it.

[Ronnie Caram]

It.

[Ben Mandelker]

But it. I mean, whatever. It's the truth. I think working at Republic is going to be a lot smoother. But that being said, I really don't give a. Like, honest to God, I don't care. Like, especially, like, I don't give a. About you.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, so you don't think TJ is a predator, but you do think that he's getting straight men wasted and then trying to them. So that would be a predator. So stupid.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, yeah, but he's like, doesn't have dreads. He doesn't have weird teeth in his mouth mouth. He doesn't, like, kill people. It's like, no, Emmy, Predator is more than that, so.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, my gosh. You mean like the actual monster? The predator?

[Ben Mandelker]

I was trying to make a clunky joke about the movie Predator guys, which I've actually never seen, so I didn't know where to go. She's like, it's not like you have to wear mud to be when you're near tj. Like, that's all I know about predators.

[Ronnie Caram]

You were mixing, like, her racism in with her predatoring.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I was like, no, no, no.

[Ronnie Caram]

But then I Know, I was just talking about that. The. The actual predator.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I was literally just trying to make a pop culture reference. I'll stick to charcuterie.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's tricky when it's Molly, man. She's so problematic. So then we go to the party. Everybody's coming, getting there to the party. And there's gluten free stuff on the outside for Maddie, which is nice. And they're all like, oh, my God, the charcuterie. You beat Emmy, babe. You did it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Charcuterie. Oh, my God. This is like so professional. It's like the john summit of charcuterie. Wow. And like, it's like, yeah, look at the penis flowers. I'm like, Emir's like, oh, my God, look, we're here in Molly's apartment. I didn't even know you really lived anywhere. I just never really thought of you as anyone other than a blonde girl who shows up. And I never thought, oh, there's Molly. Actually probably leaves Republic and lives somewhere so cool that you live here. Yeah, thanks. Oh, and you gave me flowers because my ex never did.

[Ronnie Caram]

Maddie's like, I'm not gonna lie. I was walking in here and I saw Grace and she started, like, bitching me out. Guys. Not gonna lie. Me and Joe say that to each other a lot. Not gonna lie, not gonna lie.

[Ben Mandelker]

Not gonna lie, not gonna lie, not gonna lie. I sort of feel like I kind of started not gonna lie on Summer House, but that's okay. Not gonna lie. It hurts a little bit.

[Ronnie Caram]

So we see. We see a clip of Grace Lily. We just see it. We just hear it. We don't see it because they're like behind a wall, but gracefully like, whoa. Way to tell me what the to wear, you fake ass. She's like, what? She's like, you are. You didn't tell me wear pajamas. I'm showing up here without pajamas and everybody else got pajamas off, stupid. You think I don't see you? I see you. You want peace to me. You want me. Well, you're not gonna get one because I'm gonna go home and get pajamas. So what are you gonna do about it now? You get to laugh at me and have everybody just laughing it. Laughing and grabbing. Very silly. Doesn't understand pajamas. Well, I do. So I will be back. You.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, I found out it was a pajama theme an hour before. Okay, this is Molly's party. It's not mine. Okay, Sorry. Oops. Molly's like, oops, sorry. Event planner made a boo boo. Sorry, Grace.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, so Michaels brings over A big tub of cucumbers. And he's like, my roommate's parents have a farm. And, like, my roommate, like. Like, he always brings, like, fruits and vegetables. And, like, he brought me, like, a huge, like, thing of cucumbers. So, like, it's a cucumber party now, so hope you like them salty.

[Ben Mandelker]

And three hours earlier, it's Michaels and TJ Putting cucumbers in their pants. Hope you like it salty. So, Grace, sure. They just, like, now they're just, like. They're cobbling in, like, random scenes. Like, let's put another shot in of Joe cleaning his car. For some reason, it worked really well with Erika J. And let's do it here.

[Ronnie Caram]

Now they're just serving cucumbers. Dick all over it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Grace shows up. She goes, I didn't know that we were. What we're doing tonight. So I, like, took my heels off before I came in because it's kind of like pajamas. And I was like, let me go ahead and put my slippers on, because. But no one did tell me about the theme. Sorry. It looks like.

[Ronnie Caram]

It looks like you're wearing a slip.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, this is not the first time that Maddie has done this to me. Okay, like, let's take it back. Back to Folly Beach. All the way back to Folly beach. It's, like, 15 minutes ago. Folly Beach. I asked Maddie, I said, what are you wearing? And she told me, oh, I'm just gonna wear something casual. And I'm like, okay, so I'll wear something casual. So I wore my hippie pants. And then I get to Folly, and she shows up, and she's wearing a mini skirt and little pumps. And you know what? That hurt my feelings. That hurt my feelings right there. And now, just knowing that everyone else is in pajamas. And, like, that's enough reason for me to be upset. I take fashion very seriously.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay?

[Ronnie Caram]

So do my ancestors.

[Ben Mandelker]

If you take fashion very seriously, why are you asking Maddie Reese for advice?

[Ronnie Caram]

Why are you wearing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah. And why you. Why do you even have hippie pants? So Grace Lee's like, you know, I would. Because Grace is like. I just would have loved some better communication.

[Ronnie Caram]

Molly.

[Ben Mandelker]

Molly's like, okay, that was my bad, you know, because I would do the same for you. I would have your back. If I invited you somewhere, if I invited you to a pajama party, I would tell you about the pajama part.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Mia goes, but that's a nightgown, bitch. Like, what are you complaining? And she is wearing what looks like pajamas. So it's so weird that she's having a fit. And I thought she went home, but now I see she didn't go home. She just. What? What? Did she change her shoes? Where did she go Home?

[Ben Mandelker]

She said she took off her shoes. I don't. I don't know, but it just was so funny that she was so hung up.

[Ronnie Caram]

Purse. Because now she's in slippers. I'm so confused.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's very hung up about the pajama dress code, and she's, like, really disturbed by it, and she's reading a lot into it. So Molly's like, okay, thank you guys all for coming to my girls and gays night. Cheers. TJ and Michaels will be having sex shortly, so let's. Shall we all head to the couch, which is also where the kitchen is, because it's just a studio apartment.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, great.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, everyone sit down on the couch.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay. It's open concept. That's what we call up in confet.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. It's like a circle jerk. What do they call it for girls? Like, scissor circle. Yeah. Oh, yeah, right? Long circle.

[Ronnie Caram]

So everyone's like, oh, my God, your place is so cute. Blah, blah, blah. So now they go around. Bella, who got a lot of lines today? I never would have known it had I not read these notes. Cuz every time. Bella, I'm like, who's that? Okay, go around. And everyone say, like, your ideal type. Okay, so who wants to start? And like, it's like, All Star. I look a bad. I'm like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mia's like, I love a humongous ass guy. He can be a little fat, too. Molly's like, guys, too soon? She's like, yeah, no. I like a guy that's, like, obsessed with me, that will, like, crawl all over glass for me. I want a guy who just a big, enormous guy will climb over glass

[Ronnie Caram]

like, okay, me, I love bleeding fat guys, basically. So Grace, Lily is like, but now up your ass, right? She goes, no, I love up my ass. Like, not in that way. Not in that way.

[Ben Mandelker]

Guys, it cuts you three months from now. So, Mia, have you ever done anal? Would you ever consider anal? We're gonna spend 25 minutes on the reunion talking about this one comment. Because it had something to do with it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, it's like, who has done anal? Jordan's like, accidentally. And there are a lot of people like, yeah, well, accident. Accidental. Jordan.

[Ben Mandelker]

Jordan's like, I'm so embarrassed. Is my face red actually good? I actually. I try to embarrass myself when I Run out of rouge.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Maddie is saying, yeah, like, I dated, like, Pete Davidson, Timothy Chalamet. Like, tattooed skater boys when I was younger, but like a sugar daddy, you know, like, cartel members. Yeah. They'll have, like, cut faces, you know, like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, same common looks, you know, jawline, clean hair. I like muscles.

[Ben Mandelker]

And cartels.

[Ronnie Caram]

This is pretty cool. It's fun. Cartel members.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know what that's about

[Ronnie Caram]

on the show. And then never talk about it again. Yeah, you know, like, I like skaters, cartel members. You know how it is.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I love a hot cartel guy. Yeah. So Mia's like, wait, so Molly, Molly, Molly, what's your type? Tell me more. TJ Goes, molly thinks a big penis is five inches. Teehee. And Michael's goes, oh, my God. And because she said last. Last week, she's told DJ that she likes a penis that's 5 and above.

[Ronnie Caram]

But then we just find out Molly's really stupid, because in her confessional, she's like, well, how long is five inches? Like this? And they're like, no, that's like 20 inches long. And she's like, oh, okay, then, like, 20 inches. I like, 20. 20. Oh, sorry. So, Grace, like, yeah, well, I feel crazy energy right now. Okay. And they're like, right now, Maybe because the AC came on. She's like, no, because, y', all, Mercury's in retrograde, okay? And it's like, friction. There's that friction in the universe. So therefore, that's what we're all feeling, these things. Am I right? You guys, like, maddie, why are you laughing? Maddie? You're always fucking laughing at me. Maddie.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mia's like, I'm all ears right now. Mercury needs to go into marmalade or whatever. And they're like, what? TJ goes, leek.

[Ronnie Caram]

What?

[Ben Mandelker]

Why didn't Emmy come? Lake? You know, Mia's like, but are you guys besties now? She's like, yeah, I love her. I'm Lake. She's like, oh, wow. So what happened? Why didn't she come to the big charcuterie party?

[Ronnie Caram]

It's like, well, honestly, it all started with me reading her sign because, like, it literally told me on my app that we're. We're, like, great friends that can bloom. And then I started hanging out with her, and I started talking to her, and, like, I just, like, have such a good time with her. And Maddie's like, that is the most Grace Lily that Lake has ever said.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, there's, like, room to grow, and I think there's, like, a time and place for her and Molly to talk, but, like, I don't think this was, like, the time and place for her. There's just, like, too much pretty charcuterie, and she wouldn't be able to handle it. She'd have a mess.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, but, like, the folly house went so well. I'm just, like, so confused. Why is she upset? It's like. Well, like, let's hold people accountable for their actions instead of just fucking letting other people side with her. Bullshit. That's how I feel.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, but, like, can we take it away from the UMI conversation and have fun? Because, like, that's what we came to do. Like, I don't want to talk about Emmy anymore. Like, I'm getting bored.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I'm bored about it, too. I'm bored about it, too.

[Ben Mandelker]

You were just talking about it. Great.

[Ronnie Caram]

No, no. Maddie, Shut the up. Maddie. You're annoying. Okay, you know what? Y' all mad at Maddie. I'm mad at Maddie. I'm mad at her, you know, because conversation that her and I can have.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, is it about the dress? Is it better?

[Ronnie Caram]

No, I want to talk about it in front of everybody. I don't want to talk about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm so confused. I'm so confused. Hey, hear me out. Hear me out. I think our confusion is that right now you're, like, kind of. Like, you're acting kind of to Maddie right now.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, because right now. Annoyed with her. All right, maybe. Maybe it's because I'm annoyed with her. Maybe because I should have curlers in my hair and, like, floppy pants on, but I don't. I look stupid.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like. But you're not wanting to talk about it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, because I want to talk about it in front of everyone. Just because. Just because Maddie's a dumb.

[Ben Mandelker]

But then you can't be to her in front of everybody then, huh?

[Ronnie Caram]

I can't if I want to. I don't care. I don't care what kind of body of water you are. You can't tell me what to do.

[Ben Mandelker]

I get blamed for all of Grace's shortcomings. Like, everything to her is Maddie's fault. She shows up late for. For my gig. It's my fault Molly didn't tell her to wear pajamas. It's my fault. I literally rolled up today, and she was pissed at me about rolling up.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, I know, like, but, like, why? You're not even in pajamas. Like, what she talks about.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. Jordan's like, hello, the rougeless girl is here to speak. It's my shame, but I will Own it. In Grace's offense, I would be pissed if everyone else was in pajamas and I pulled up in a dress as well.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, you know what? You're a real one for saying that, rouge lady. Because no one else would say it. No one else got the balls to say it. But you do.

[Ben Mandelker]

Grace, what's bothering you?

[Ronnie Caram]

You know what? You're not a reciprocal friend, okay? You don't reciprocate. Even your plastic bottles. You just throw them in the regular trash. And I'm sick of it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm just sick, kind of sick of everyone saying that Maddie is a better friend than me.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, wait, so I'm the bad friend now? Like, make it make sense. Yeah. You know what? Maddie prioritizes Joe much more. She does her girlfriends. And it's just like Joe gets priorities. Support Maddie in her career. But I've always been there for. How come I'm not supporting her in her career? The one time you were asked to support her career, you showed up, like, two hours past the time you're supposed to be there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I've had the worst couple of months of my life. And in these months, Grace hasn't been there for me, but I'm there for her on a dime. I don't care what cartel I'm hanging out with. I'm catching a plane to be there for Grace. And I'm. And I'm the bad friend? Like that.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, you know what? But, like, everyone always says that I'm a bad friend to you, but how come no one ever says, hey, it's Maddie. Bad friend to you? How come nobody says that? They don't. Because you got them hypnotized. And you know what? I need to say. Quiet before I say something I'm not saying. So let me. You know what? Let me just stop now. I'm just gonna stop now. I'm not gonna say anymore. Hold on. Maddie, you're a dumb. I hate your guts. Okay, I'm done. That's all I'm gonna say down your sleep. I'm not gonna say anything. My ancestor hates you. I'm gonna say anything else stupid.

[Ben Mandelker]

And that was the to. Well, what an interesting episode. What a silly, bonkers episode that starts off with serious talk about microaggressions and ends in a spat about not wearing pajamas at the pajama party. It's great. Great time.

[Ronnie Caram]

Southern child.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love this great show.

[Ronnie Caram]

Never change, my friend.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's wonderful.

[Ronnie Caram]

All right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thank you.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, this was a fun one.

[Ben Mandelker]

It really was. Thank you all for being here and we will catch you with some more episodes later this this week. Bye, everyone.

[Ronnie Caram]

Bye.

[Ben Mandelker]

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